Obama’s Abortion Kerfuffle
EmailSen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and his views on abortion have been confounding some observers these days.
And perhaps that’s in no small way the reason why the controversial Christian Defense Coalition is launching a new campaign focused on painting Obama as "The Abortion President."
Check out THIS IMAGE of Obama as Uncle Sam: "I Want YOU To Pay for Abortions," courtesy of CBN’s Brody File.
Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, says Obama would have "the most extremist policies on abortion of any President in history. Senator Obama’s views on abortion are so radical that he even wants American citizens to pay for them. This would include Catholics, Evangelicals and all people of faith. He would also expand abortion rights through his passionate support of The Freedom of Choice Act."
This ad becomes relevant within the context of Obama’s attempts to win over evangelical voters — some of whose votes may be up for grabs given Obama’s comfort discussing his Christian faith and their distrust of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — Obama’s support for abortion rights will assuredly be a sticking point.
Obama’s desire to win these voters may be why, in a recent interview with Relevant magazine, ("Covering God, Life, and Progressive Culture") Obama seemed to be moving rightward on the issue — rhetorically, at least — saying:
"I have repeatedly said that I think it’s entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don’t think that ‘mental distress’ qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions."
The language Obama used in that response seemed to remove "mental distress" as an allowable exception justifying a post-22 week abortion.
To some observers, that would seem to go against the Supreme Court decision Doe v. Bolton — handed down the same day as the more famous (or infamous) Roe v Wade decision legalizing abortion, though the Court said the decisions were to be "read together."
Doe holds that the health exception permitting abortion after viability should be based on a "medical judgment…exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient," as ABC News’ Supreme Court reporter Jan Crawford Greenburg noted over the weekend.
So was Obama suggesting to Relevant that he disagrees with Doe?
That would seem to contradict Obama’s support for the "Freedom of Choice Act," which codifies in law a mental health exception for post-viability abortions, legislation that Obama has publicly supported.
The Obama campaign says no, that’s not what he was saying, and spokesfolk explained that the senator’s use of "mental distress" in the Relevant interview was not a reference to "mental illness."
On Saturday, after a reporter noted to Obama that he had said that mental distress shouldn’t be a reason for late-term abortion, Obama clarified, "historically I have been a strong believer in a women’s right to choose with her doctor, her pastor and her family…I have consistently been saying that you have to have a health exception on many significant restrictions or bans on abortions including late-term abortions. In the past there has been some fear on the part of people who, not only people who are anti-abortion, but people who may be in the middle, that that means that if a woman just doesn’t feel good then that is an exception. That’s never been the case."
Obama continued: "I don’t think that is how it has been interpreted. My only point is that in an area like partial-birth abortion having a mental, having a health exception can be defined rigorously. It can be defined through physical health, It can be defined by serious clinical mental-health diseases. It is not just a matter of feeling blue. I don’t think that’s how pro-choice folks have interpreted it. I don’t think that’s how the courts have interpreted it and I think that’s important to emphasize and understand."
But if Obama is saying that "mental distress" is already not a legal exception for abortion bans, then what was the point of what he told Relevant? He maintains he wasn’t discussing any view that runs contrary to current abortion law, so it would seem he was just discussing a personal view — that a woman, 8 1/2 months pregnant, shouldn’t be able to get an abortion just because she’s feeling blue.
Some abortion opponents suggest that Obama was merely trying to muddy the waters and sound more centrist on the issue — as if his mind were open to some abortion bans, when in fact he was merely stating current law wrapped in some triangulating language.
- jpt
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Posted by: len | July 7, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Yup. After you have paid for his primaries campaign, and perhaps the general election, he will ask you to pay more, for your abortion bills.
Posted by: skinny dog | July 7, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
how can every story be about obama?
and who has abortion bills? lol?
Posted by: bhrandon | July 7, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Obama’s entire campaign is a kerfuffle, to put it politely.
Posted by: Cardsgal | July 7, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
This is the most minor of issues. Obama has indicated that he is not a moral absolutist in abortion access, that certain conditions in 3RD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS – 3RD TRIMESTER PLEASE NOTE – which are less acceptable.
Hey, as a pro-abortion liberal (not pro-choice), I have no objection to this. If you haven’t figured out by the 3rd Trimester that you need an abortion, you have more problems than can be solved by the abortion.
Posted by: POed Lib | July 7, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
If you will recall during the debates OBAMA said “if my daughter was screwed” and I was shocked that he used the word screwed—-he went further to proclaim that he would not want his daughter to have this burden that would ruin her life–he was suggesting at that time that condoms be passed out at his daughter’s middle school. But his tone in speech and his thoughts made one wonder what his true beliefs really are—-and I do not think we will ever really know. He keeps changing whenever there is a question on anything (which is daily) he says you didn’t listen, or understand what I was saying, or the media got it all wrong, or the best one of all “I’ve been consistent with what I’ve been saying”. Can anyone tell me where he stands on abortion rights?
Posted by: Ann | July 7, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Moral values has to come from the Family
His grand father had 8 wives
His father had 5 wives
His Mother had 2 husbands
What else you can expect
Posted by: tim | July 7, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Jake: Jan beat this subject to death over the weekend. Time to move on.
Posted by: linda n carolina | July 7, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
If he is against Late Term Abortion why is it that he seemed to make time to actually vote in the Illionis senate (one of his few actual votes) to allow abortion at time of birth, and if the baby survived the abortion he voted to allow the doctors to let the baby die!
He is against faith and religion!!
He said it in his speech on the faith base initiative, where he wants to make it secular.
Listen to his own words people, wake up already we live in a too dangerous world to allow this man to become President!!
Posted by: spock | July 7, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
POed Lib, you wrote: “This is the most minor of issues.”
I don’t consider the murder of 1,000,000 unborn American citizens every year a minor issue. And I cringe at the thought of MY tax money paying for this genocide under the Left’s proposed womb-to-tomb universal health care system.
Posted by: James Danley | July 7, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Bob Dylan is a American Legend, Great Song Writer and Christian. He has endorsed Barack Obama. Dylan’s song “Knocking on Heavens Door” represents the Christian values more then the controversial Christian Defense Coalition attack on Obama.
Posted by: Ronald | July 7, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
James Danley: Your tax money has paid for the 4,000 plus American dead in Iraq and the 1000,000 plus Iraqs killed.
Posted by: linda n carolina | July 7, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
As if abortion is this nation’s biggest problem.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | July 7, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Hey, as a pro-abortion liberal (not pro-choice), I have no objection to this. If you haven’t figured out by the 3rd Trimester that you need an abortion, you have more problems than can be solved by the abortion.
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Posted by: POed Lib
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Yes, she does. And having a baby isn’t going to solve them either. Obama is just another MAN, trying to make decisions about something that he can never experience for the person who’s actually going through it.
Posted by: Charlie35 | July 7, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
I think it’s a big stretch to say Dylan is a Chistian. He used to say he was but has changed his tune.
Posted by: Keepyourheelsdown | July 7, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Although I am pro choice, I could never support anyone whose strong views (and sick vote) supports the extracting and slaughtering of a live entity at it’s POINT OF BIRTH!
This IS murder!
Posted by: lend an ear | July 7, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Linda n carolina, you certainly can’t be equating the aborting of 1,000,000 unborn children with the loss of our brave military personnel in time of war! As for your number of Iraqis killed, that has been proven to be GREATLY exaggerated.
I proudly proclaim that my tax money has paid for the liberation of 50,000,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq!
Posted by: James Danley | July 7, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
CORRECTION…make that the aborting of 5,500,000 unborn children in the last 5 1/2 years!
Posted by: James Danley | July 7, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Obama doesnt seem to understand that we didn’t care about him as a person, we cared about his ideas. Now that they have completely changed, I just feel regret, because I now don’t care about Obama at all, and realize I should have voted for Hillary.
I made a mistake, so I apologize Hillary supporters. I let my idealism run away with me, again.
Posted by: Leroy | July 7, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Where does this joker really stand on anything?
Posted by: Just Curious | July 7, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Amen to “A Reader in Georgia” I think we really need to get to bigger issues involved in this election and quite basing our votes on issues that affect maybe 10% of the population-
Posted by: SVD | July 7, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Ann and len,
you are correct!
I think I will use my comment space to say, after seeing the uncle sam poster of obama,
This is a good time to say, and Sen. clinton said it best, “I have a lot of baggage and it has been rummaged through for years”
Sen. clinton is the tried.
and I do not believe cries from the black community of “RACIST!” will hold this time around as it did in the primaries.
If mr. obama continues the path of “shifts” that he is on now, he will be mincemeat before the ge.
once again I cannot say it any better than ann and len said it.
and what they said is SO TRUE.
Posted by: jgaw | July 7, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
James Danley: Whether the Iraqi death count is exaggerated or not …they are still dead.Your against abortion well I for it’s none of your business what a women does with her body. We have bigger problems in this country that need to be addressed instead of revisitng this every election.
Posted by: linda n carolina | July 7, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Flip-Flap Flip-flap — more to come.
I am not sure where I stand. But elect me for president – biggest disaster even to fall on America.
I am Barak Husein Obama and I approve this message
Posted by: Olga MA | July 7, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
ditto the sentiment posted earlier…..having voted for Mr. Obama in the primaries, I now realize that Hillary has survived personal and political attacks for years and would likely survive the same in the general election…..I don’t have the same confidence in Barack’s ability to withstand such an attack campaign that he will inevitably face later this year, from mccain, the gop and the conservative special interest groups
Posted by: james | July 7, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Linda n carolina, but you MAKE IT MY BUSINESS if my tax money pays for it under the Left’s proposed womb-to-tomb universal health care system.
Posted by: James Danley | July 7, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
James Danley; Taxes pay for alot of things I don’t like either. IF and thats a big IF womb to tomb heath care pays for it then thats the law…Abortion isn’t illegal.
Posted by: linda n carolina | July 7, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
linda n carolina,
I was wondering. Do you think an unborn baby is a human being, and if not, what do you think it is?
Posted by: Keepyourheelsdown | July 7, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
james
Obama survived the “attacks” in the primaries.
This is right wing bologne.
Take everyone’s eyes off the fact that McCain is running almost entirely on the Bush platform…
the same platform that put us 8 years later…here.
This is all a scam from the RNC…just like the scam they used to get us here in the first place.
Posted by: dl | July 7, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Keepyourheelsdown: Yes I believe an unborn baby is a human being. Do I believe in abortion….no not for me, but I will defend any woman who feels she wants one.It’s not for me to be her moral guide.
Posted by: linda n carolina | July 7, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
obama the biggest panderer i have ever seen in politics
what does he stand for?
nobody knows
Posted by: Kurt | July 7, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Obama rambles on so long that no one knows what the heck he is talking about.
Another attempt to trick and outsmart people with words. Very condescending.
It’s no wonder he voted present 129 times–he won’t take a stand. Apparently his slide to the right to get votes is more important than his integrity.
Thank goodness Obama is finally being forced to answer tough questions. He looks weaker everyday.
Posted by: riley | July 7, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
This is the most minor of issues. Obama has indicated that he is not a moral absolutist …
Posted by: POed Lib | Jul 7, 2008 11:55:10 AM
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POed Lib -
You are absolutely Wright! BhO has no moral when it comes to politics.
Posted by: skinny dog | July 7, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Does anyone really know what obama stands for?
I don’t think even he knows, because he has to change and flip flop daily to pander to the latest group of voters that he thinks might not vote for him.
Keep pandering, pal. It just helps the other guy.
Posted by: Foodforthought | July 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Linda n carolina, and THAT is why I am supporting Sen. McCain for president. As president he will veto the attempts by the Left to implement womb-to-tomb universal health care.
Posted by: James Danley | July 7, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
linda n carolina
Isn’t that the same thing all libs say? Not for me personally but for everyone else. Does rationalization ease your conscience?
Posted by: Just Curious | July 7, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Ronald, “Knocking on Heavens Door” is the theme from a movie about Billy The Kid. If that’s what you had in mind, so be it, but I never thought of William Bonnie as a symbol of Christianity.
Knock Knock.
Who’s there?
Obama.
Obama who?
No Bama knows.
Posted by: len | July 7, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Why does Obama have to keep explaining what he said? Is it because we don’t know what he’s said before – or because he can’t keep his stories straight and is once again spin, spin, spinning for votes?
Posted by: HoosierSue | July 7, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Obama’s stance has always been “consistently” pro abortion; pro partial birth abortion; and he also voted for infanticide – aborted babies born alive, allowed to die unattended. Obama voted twice against the “Born Alive Infants Protection Act,” and blocked it’s third vote from the floor.
His stance now is a pandering to the right of his actual views. He’s nothing more than an artful Hustler.
Posted by: researcher | July 7, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
dl…According to you the RNC is putting words in Hussein’s mouth. Are you for real?
Posted by: carolyn | July 7, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
james danley
Read up–Obama is not promoting “womb to tomb” universal healthcare. That was Hillary. Obama says if you are happy with the plan you have now–you can keep it. But the premiums will be lower.
Posted by: judyc | July 7, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
I personally can’t wait to sit in an emergency room for 8 hrs to see a doctor .. while the crackhead sitting next to me gets the same treatment options without holding down steady work! That’s hilarious stuff! Why work? Stay home .. and get the same benefits! Woo hoo .. for universal healthcare!
Posted by: Don Pablo | July 7, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Judyc, a President Obama will not veto Sen. Clinton’s bill to implement womb-to-tomb heath care when it passes Congress. And NOR will he veto the efforts by the Left to eliminate private health care insurance (as Sen. Clinton advocates).
Posted by: James Danley | July 7, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Barry had made it obvious he’ll say and do anything to be president.
he has no values of his own.
Posted by: trettione | July 7, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Let’s be clear.
Obama believes that the govt should make decisions about a woman’s mental health.. not the doctor, not herself.. the govt.
Posted by: trettione | July 7, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Obama is a centrist on most issues. I don’t have a problem with this, but painting him as some extreme radical is really absurd. His position on abortion is in the mainstream. Rev. Mahoney, on the other hand, is well outside of the mainstream.
Posted by: mary | July 7, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
obama is a Radical FRAUD!!!
Abortion – which obama is for – even voted for partial birth abortion – is a Disgrace. That is just one of the MANY, MANY reasons why I will NOT vote for obama – and there are MILLIONS who feel the same – we are called
CATHOLICS!
Posted by: Molly | July 7, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
I agree abortion is a women’s choice.I strongly disagree on paying for them.State your stand on issues clearly.Flip,flapping will elect Mr. McCain with little doubt.I have not decided my vote yet but I sure would like to hear the stand on issues not empty promises and talk about change with little more.
Posted by: loretta delles | July 7, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
You people need to get a life. Just because his words may not be EXACTLY the same as a previous comment or vote, doesn’t mean he isn’t the far better than the republicans to rule our country.
He has always been pro-choice, but he is indicating that late-term abortions can be banned. You folks need to look at the big picture: Our economy is crumbling, our bridges falling, our troops dying.
If this continues and McCain wins, pretty soon even the most religious amongst us won’t be able to afford a baby anyways and will be scrapping for food in a garbage can.
Posted by: john93 | July 7, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
linda n carolina, thanks for your honest answer. That’s refreshing. And thanks for being nice about it.
Posted by: Keepyourheelsdown | July 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
john93, why would anyone (such as Mr Obama) want to ban late term abortions?
Posted by: Keepyourheelsdown | July 7, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
All he said was no if the woman is of two minds about her pregnancy after the baby is viable. It’s pretty much law anyway so what’s the fuss?
Go fill up your gas tank.
Look at your heating bill this winter.
Look at your 401K tanking.
Watch your son /daughter look for a good job at a livable wage.
Thank Bush and by extension, McSame
Posted by: Mariawr | July 7, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
“Obama is a centrist on most issues.”
Baloney!! He is trying to paint himself as a centrist to get elected but he is as radically far-left as they come! I suspect his most ardent supporters KNOW this but are trying to help him project a centrist image to get him into the White House. NOBAMA, NO WAY. Go John McCain, the All-American Hero!
P.S.: Love your column, Jake!
Posted by: FlaLady | July 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Seems that the flecks of froth from the rabid jaws of radical pro-lifers are finally getting into their eyes and blinding them even more.
How can saying that ‘feeling blue’ is not a justification to have an abortion be wrong or cause for criticism?
As I have heard Obama say that his goal would be to reduce the amount of abortions overall and to leave the ‘choice’ to the woman, her doctor and her pastor, I do not understand why so many people are behaving as if he is willing to rip full term babies from the womb and toss them in the garbage…by my understanding of his stated positions, nothing could be further from the truth.
Get a grip, folks…distortions of facts result in twisted minds and twisted minds are not likely to produce rational opinions…the many ignorant, snide and bitter examples posted here demonstrate as much.
If nothing else, Obama is increasingly rational and if that means taking the Middle Way…more power to him!
Posted by: Derek | July 7, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
judyc, actually Hillary’s plan was you keep your current insurance if you like it, but she’d open up the Congressional Health Plan at an affordable cost to everyone. Obama has merely said he’d lower the cost and if you don’t want to buy insurance, no problem, you can just buy into a plan when you need to enter the hospital. Why would anyone pay for insurance under Obama’s plan?
No wonder Obama has so many supporters! They haven’t been listening to what he’s saying.
Which brings me to… what’s Obama’s Iraq policy today? And if you voted for him on that issue, aren’t you glad? I heard straight from the flipflopper’s mouth today that he’d never set or promised a timeline for troop withdrawal. Guess that “one year” that morphed into “16 months” was all our imaginations, right? But I know you’ll all spin, spin, spin to assert that Obama hasn’t reversed position yet again. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
Posted by: HoosierSue | July 7, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
NARL has stated that Obama’s remarks for Relevant were consistent with the Roe vs Wade parameters for late term abortion. The groups that are asserting his inconsistency are anti-abortion. And you would think that they would welcome an inconsistency, rather than criticize it.
Posted by: kat | July 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
HoosierSue, in one of the debates where Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton were detailing the differences between their health care plans, Sen. Clinton stated that those individuals who are pleased with their health care insurance can keep it, but then she immediately added: “FOR NOW!”
Posted by: James Danley | July 7, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
I think the thing that is not covered enough is that Sen. Obama told Relevant Magazine that he would seek to reduce abortions by ‘abstinence education and teaching children the sacredness of sex’.
That is simply outrageous and a right-wing talking point that should be thrown out the window. Instead of talking about sex-ed and family planning, he is talking about crack-pot, failed and stupid right-wing non-sense techniques that have been long opposed by Pro-choicers. The anti-choice crowd must love that now there is broad concensus on their stupid agenda. Obama is really insane.
Posted by: Joan | July 7, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Sounds to me that everyone here isn’t paying attention. You cite Christian principles, yet you don’t practice them (well, you pick and choose anyway). You argue about tax payers financing abortion, yet you forget that tax payers are already financing things that some don’t agree with (war, faith based programs, abstinence ed.). And then, of all things, you call McCain a “hero!” Please research the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, educate yourselves as to how McCain treated POWs and their families and then get back to me on what a “hero” he was.
Posted by: justin | July 7, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
They call him, “Flipper! Flipper!”
Posted by: jeep395 | July 7, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Obama’s words on a woman’s health choice is more of the same demeaning language….as in “feeling blue.” What a stupid belittling comment as if women would make such important decisions because of a mood swing. Obama is a SEXIST and GENDER BIGOT.
Anyone knowledgeable in abortion issues would know that sometimes in late term that it is discovered that the baby will not survive birth because of deformities (e.g. only a brain stem)… yet it is not a “physical” health issue for the woman per se. In fact, a Florida woman in just this situation (and who wanted to donate the fetus organs) was prevented from a late term abortion. Note: forcing birth and waiting for the brainless baby to die would destroy the viability of the organs for donation.
Posted by: nickberry | July 7, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
There is no principle, no policy, nobody that Obama won’t throw under the bus!
The man stands for nothing and believes in nothing.
Now he doesn’t think there should be a mental distress exception – -what does this man know about it? Nothing.
He knows he cheated to be ‘selected’ as the nominee, and now that tons of Democrats will not vote for him — he is running to pander to the Evangelicals, and running toward Bush on FIS, Iraq, abortion, and reneging on public financing.
Anyone who excuses thid man’s flip-flops, or votes for him,is a fool.
He will disappoint you all.
He should just stick to the teleprompter — every time he opens his mouth otherwise, it’s another disaster.
No, wait. I take that back — let him talk off the cuff about ALL the issues — perhaps then the American people will see him for who he truly is — a liar and an unqualified man with 20 years of crooked and divisive associates. He didn’t have the “judgment” to walk away from any of them till the political landscape forced him to do so.
Now that’s change we can believe in. LOL.
Posted by: Annagain | July 8, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
KEEPING OBAMHA IN OUR PRAYERS SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. GOD CAN CHANGE THE HARDEST OF HEARTS & GET TO THE CONSCIENCE OF ANY MAN OR WOMAN HE CHOOSES. OBAMHA IS A “CHILD OF GOD” LIKE ALL HUMAN BEINGS CREATED IN HIS IMAGE. “PRAYER LEFT IN GOD’S HANDS, HEART, & EARS DOES GET ANSWERED!!!”
tHE QUESTION IS “WHAT CAN I DO” TO CHANGE THE HEART OF THAT MAN???
THE ANSWER IS HITTING ONE’S KNEES IN PRAYER UNTIL IT HURTS.
REMINDS ME OF A MAN, WHO DID THAT VERY SAME THING UNTIL HE SWEAT DROPS OF BLOOD FROM HIS BROW FOR YOU & FOR ME… LATE AT NIGHT IN THE GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE.
THE PRAYER OF A RIGHTEOUS MAN AVAILIATH MUCH!!! SO PRAY FOR HIM…HE NEEDS IT!
HIS BELOVED : )
Posted by: AMY | July 8, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
no one will be able to afford the gas in an Obama administration to be able to drive to an abortion clinic. Obama opposes drilling, he opposes coal, he opposes nuclear, he wants solar and wind and geothermal to save this country. He says he will tax the oil company’s profits and use the tax to help everyone pay for rising energy costs and help pay for other things too. Look at it rationally, the oil companies make roughly 9 CENTS per gallon profit. A tax on that 9 cents will yield no more than half of that amount even under ideal conditions. So we get a tax that amounts to 4.5 CENTS for every gallon of gasoline sold and THAT is what the government is going to use to help us citizens cope with the fact that gas has increased over a DOLLAR in the last few years? Give me a break! After the government people are finished using it, that 4.5 cents will amount to only a fraction of a cent available to help us cope. The DEMOCRATS promised that due to global warming they would push for $5.00 a gallon gas in order to wean us off of oil. Al Gore and the other members of the DEMOCRATIC leadership promised it and their DEMOCRATICALLY controlled Congress and Senate are putting and keeping in place policies to make certain that happens. No more gasoline refineries due to an enormous burden involved with the necessary licenses. No more drilling, no more coal electrical plants, no more nuclear plants, and on and on. The DEMOCRATS led by Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi and strangling this country. Obama is merely a puppet who daces to their tune. Gore has made millions from his movie and will make more. The global warming crisis is real, but the Democrats are against the one thing that can help ease the problem in the shortest time and that is nuclear, yet Obama opposes that as well. He is a PUPPET, no more no less. He dances to the Gore / Pelosi tune!
Posted by: Gerald | July 8, 2008, 5:58 am 5:58 am
May God in heaven defend us from this man, whose hands are clearly dripping with the blood of abortion, of course the greatest sin on earth.
His endless support for unlimited access to abortion is the only clear, concrete idea he has.
Posted by: Jeff Johnson, Collegeville | July 8, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
The same crowd that can’t stand to see baby seals slaughtered support any form of abortion. I believe in CHOICE. The unborn baby should have the choice of being aborted (aka slaughtered).
Posted by: Bill | July 8, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
The same crowd that can’t stand to see baby seals slaughtered support any form of abortion. I believe in CHOICE. The unborn baby should have the choice of being aborted (aka slaughtered).
Posted by: Bill | July 8, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
I was recently in NC where special interest groups closed beaches to save bird eggs. I could have been fined or imprisoned for stepping on an egg. However, these same liberal groups feel it is morally acceptable for women to kill their own eggs and to really drive the point home – we who believe that every human being is priceless are paying for these women to kill their babies. This is evidence of how propoganda can work and for moral people to start believing that birds are more valuable than human life. Barak has bought into the propaganda. Is that the type of man you want to elect?
Posted by: urgifted | July 8, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Will this affect his wholesome, golden boy image with the evangelicals he is courting…I hope it wakes them up.
Obama is not what he pretends to be. And now the world is beginning to see.
Don’t forget his “children are punishment” comment that everyone chose to ignore.
Posted by: riley | July 8, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
I wish the ant-choice crowd would
truly become pro-life:
1. Christ is the prince of peace, but the ant-choice crowd tends to support pro-war draft dodging cowards such as Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Rush.
2. Christ cares for the poor, but the
anti-choice crowd supports the neo-fascist economic policies of economic
Benedict Arnolds such as Reagan and Bush, who believe in privatizing wealth and socializing their cost of business.
But the fake Christians tend to babble
about things that Christ never addressed
such as abortion. A pro-life and true American would support health care for all Americans and not just for some.
That is why I support Obama rather than
an old, old man with old ideas that have
failed this country time and again.
Posted by: USARULES | July 8, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
One of the things wrong with America is people want someone else to bear their guilt for their wrong doing. I am against abortion but I don’t believe a politician is going to be held accountable by God for what a woman did with her child. Also some of you are quick to point the finger at Obama but what about McCaina and Bush and this war, where in the Bible does it say it is okay to kill people at war time; murder is murder and the government does make the decision of when to go to war; the government ddoes not make the decision for a woman to have an abortion that is her choice.
Posted by: ObamaforPresident | July 8, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Back in the 70′s when this issue was being hotly debated, the debate centered around one common question: “Is a fetus human life?” For many people, existing medical and scientific technology at that time was too limited to adequately answer the question. Since that time, scientific and medical evidence has overwhelmingly proven that it is indeed human life. Whether the fetus is human or not is no longer even debated. Now the issue seems to be a womans right to choose.
It seems that we need to be clear, if it is human life, then does the mother have the right to end the life? It seems to me that perhaps she does, if it can be proven that the human life is her property, to do with as she wishes. If we are willing to accept the idea that it is moral and right for one human being to own another human being as property, and that the owned human, (historically called a slave), is at the mercy of his or her owner, than abortion, would be acceptable. At that point however, it would be unreasonable to limit the time frame of the ownership of the slave, since again, historically a slave is the property of a slave owner until the slave dies, the owner sells the slave, or grants him or her their freedom. Under these new moral standards, there would be no reason to assume that we could not return to the age old practices of traveling to distant lands to capture relatively defenseless individuals, and enslave them for our purposes here.
Posted by: Letsthinkharder | July 8, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
ObamaforPresident, you wrote: “…the government does not make the decision for a woman to have an abortion that is her choice.” That certainly is the case right now.
One of the key elements of universal health care is preventative health care. And it is under this guise that the federal government may mandate things that used to be unimaginable. For example, the government will likely dictate what we can or cannot eat and drink and even what products we can or cannot purchase so that we will be healthier and ultimately lower the cost of health care. And in that light, it is not out of the realm for the federal government to determine that over population is unhealthy. It is at that point that there could be a mandate FOR abortions to limit population growth. Now before you say that could never happen, consider that China implemented their one-child policy–with mandatory abortions–back in 1979.
So go ahead and open THAT door by voting for Sen. Obama!
Posted by: James Danley | July 8, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
JamesDanley…How do you know what obama will do. Heck, Obama doesn’t even know from day to day what he will do.
Posted by: carolyn | July 8, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Spock…You are right! One only needs to know how Obama went to Trinity for 20 years with that crazy Wright preaching hatred and anti-American trash to know where he stands.
Posted by: carolyn | July 8, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
just curious…Where does this joker really stand on anything?
Obama doesn’t even seem to know where he stands on anything.
Posted by: carolyn | July 8, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
In trying to appeal to everyone, Obama is instead repelling those who would have been natural allies. I have voted Democratic for over 20 years, but I won’t support this unprincipled opportunist. He has played the angles on abortion, universal health care, trade, Iraq, guns, the death penalty…. What next?
Posted by: Nancy | July 8, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Carolyn, the premise of your question is wrong. I know what a President Obama WON’T do. He won’t veto the universal health care legislation that the Liberal Democrats in Congress pass no matter how outrageous the bill is.
Posted by: James Danley | July 8, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Evidently many politicians and Supreme Court Judges who passed the Abortion Law consider themselves believers in the afterlife. They proyect God according to their selective priorities . Well if that God exist and pronounces JUDGEMENT at the time of their arrogant lives He will ask them How about my 55 millions babies where they are? I hope they will have a humble answer. In the meantime let us pray to the Lord because God can not be mocked.
Posted by: Martha | July 8, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
pretty vile
Posted by: jacob | July 9, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
ObmaforPresident
“2. Christ cares for the poor, but the
anti-choice crowd supports the neo-fascist economic policies of economic
Benedict Arnolds such as Reagan and Bush, who believe in privatizing wealth and socializing their cost of business.”
Wow… caring for the poor means killing their babies?
Who would have thought that?
These people are truly scary… if you need government to provide for you, move to China or Europe.
And if you REALLY studied Christ as you allege, follow His commandments. There are two; the second is to love thy neighbor as yourself, and the first and most difficult, is to love God with all your heart. To love God is to obey His commandments.
When you REALLY understand Christianity, come preach to me. Otherwise pony up your own money first to assuage your guilt! Don’t use the government as a guise to stealing money for others through taxation.
Posted by: arielsadmirer | July 22, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Nice article and comments!
Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Tom | November 11, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am