Protesters Interrupt Bush Holiday Speech

RedCoats are back. Emproro Bush orders protesters arrested. He could have asked his men in suits and DARK glasses to release the DEMOCRATIC PROTESTERS.They had no WMD.
IMPEACH BUSH.

Good for them. If we can’t get those abusing their power in the government to listen to the people through the “systematic” channels then we need to do whatever it takes to get them to hear us.

Obama is more incompetent than Bush.. God help us all.

tito – you are correct. Many in the know back in 2000 will tell you that he was planning to invade Iraq even before 9/11. This seems to be common knowledge in Washington.

Nonetheless, there is a potential leader that is far worse than he is. He started a massive racial divide in this Country and he is not even the pronounced president yet. Now what does that tell you about him??!??

I watched the Bush speech in it’s entirety and it was a great speech indeed. The vile communist “protestors” had no impact and no influence. They wasted away their day in their hateful triads. The “protestors” are mere fools paid by cpusa. Have a great 4th of July Celebration of our country.

Yes, good for the protesters that is what We as a country are about. But, we have to keep in mind that we have troops that died and we can not go about making them feel their lives are a waste.

The right to protest is almost excusively American… and don’t let the fascists tell you it’s not! Happy 4th of July, and many more!

A great day when a man or woman becomes a citizen. Welcome to one and all! Sorry about the circus freaks that tried to spoil the ceremony, there must have been a traveling carnival in town as well as a break out at the local insane assylum. We hope it didn’t ruin your day.

President Bush was SOO presidential!

Only when Bush and his band of traitors are gone can this country begin to emerge from her period of national shame. We owe the world an apology, pure and simple. I love my country always, but I’ll be MOST proud of her on the day we have the grace to offer that apology.

Hey – I don’t got a degree at Phoenix University .. offline. I’m a noneducable Bush supporter.

ok so im confused. Its not ok for these freedom of speach people to protest there? But it is ok for protesters for abortion to have huge posterboard size pictures of aborted fetus’s and to protest outside of our junior high schools and down the main streets in town to make sure all children can see a sight as gory as this??? What I get from this is that it is ok for bush to have the privacy to give his speech, but it is not alright for our children to have the same privacy given to them when they go to school or even walking to a store or friends!! if our children cannot be protected than our president has no right wanting to be!

How often do conservatives interrupt others from giving prepared speeches? These guys are just DIRTBAGS!!!

Robert, did your mommy do your homework for you online too???? I got my education from USIU and studied in England body. I have degree in Foreign Diplomacy. And get this, I am a first generation American whose family is from Albania that LOVES AMERICA MORE THAN YOU!!! You never experienced war, you are not man enough to go and experience it. Obama, only 3 years of politics is going to question McCain’s military background? How disrespectful is that.

Robert, refrain from discussing anything with me as I see you are not adult enough to have decent conversation. Thanks

That’s the protester’s rights in this nation which is what we’re celebrating today. However, if the tables were turned – as they are on many college campuses around the nation, I doubt that those on the left would be as accommodating. There motto might be “My rights are sacred (freedom of speech, etc.), but where I’m from you don’t have any rights that I need to honor!” E Pluribus Unum everyone!

We are a country of laws and a country
with a just constitution that all past
Presidents have honored, Why allow
this man to alter and disobey the very
laws that have kept us from being ruled
by a Monarchy or Dictatorship in the
first place? Show the World we are still
a place of laws and put him in Jail, at
least a day for every American that has
died for a made-up war.

YEAH, THE LIBS BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF SPEECH – ONLY FOR THOSE WHO AGREE WITH THEM – ALL OTHERS GET SHOUTED DOWN SO THAT THEY CANNOT COMPLETE THEIR PREPARED TALK – RUDE, CRUDE, UNREFINED, AND………. SCUMBAGS!!

bush should not be allowed to step on our sacred historical grounds and speak like he cares about america. because since he has been president he has done all he can to tear down the very fabric of what our founding fathers built.everyone of our founding fathers would start a new revolution to dethrone king george again.

Amen Temagami….AMEN!!!

Tom, they really would do that, and every real American knows in his or her heart that Jefferson and our founding fathers would indeed start a new revolution to dethrone the usurping dictators– but I think they would end up in jail with the media calling them Communist Radicals, that’s the difference today, the mainstream media controls the average American’s mind, whereas they used to actually think for themselves…

Isn’t the whole Liberal/Conservative thing a silly illusion? Do you have to be liberal to feel angry about the way our leaders have dragged us collectively into the moral and economic mud? I know plenty of “conservatives” who despise the Bush Presidency, and if his ratings are currently around 20%, doesn’t that mean a good deal of conservatives disapprove of him?

IT DEFIES LOGIC HOW SOME OF THESE OBAMA BLOGGERS REALLY THINK THAT THEY ARE HELPING HIM CONSIDERING THE NATURE OF THEIR POSTS. “BUSH SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK SINCE HE BELONGS IN JAIL?” TALK ABOUT A PIECE OF WORK!!

I was always opposed to the Iraq insanity, for reasons of morality, but I’m very happy that most of those who originally supported it are now against it, for reasons of practicality. Most of those who remain supportive are, in my view, simply devoid of morals OR common sense.

This isn’t about being for Obama, I never said I was for Obama; however, I am all for putting every one of those lying pieces on trial and let a jury decide, based on a search for the truth, whether or not they should do time for lying and getting us into war. Matter of fact, Jefferson wrote that all freedom of speech should be allowed– EXCEPT for anyone lying so as to get us into war. You know why he wrote that? Because he knew the Bush-type weasels were coming to have their war-profiteering party. Now, I follow my founding father, and he said those guys should go to prison for lying us into a war. By the way, I knew they were liars from day one, and hated them for it, hated them because I saw this all coming years back before we attacked Iraq.

How can someone who uses the name of Jesus be so hateful? Obama’s Church?

I’m the smartest one here.
Bush deserves to be punished.
Go Obama.
(All other comments are moot at this point. Thank you.)

It was fitting that on his last Ind. Day as president Bush was booed by the public. Hope they give him another fitting farewell salute on his last day in the WH.

I like this new approach to debate: Say ANYTHING you like. Obama is the “tanned version of Hitler.” Nice. It’s hard to imagine how you could be any MORE full of cr*p.

You guys all saw EG’s comment. He won. (and all the Bushbyatches go, “DOH!”) Go to your barbecues kiddies!!

Dantheguy9.
I am not an Obama supporter, but I would be amazed if Obama would support or even agree with your type of blogs.

Manitu, my “type” of blogs? Who cares what would amaze you? I’m not on here to get Obama’s agreement, I’m here to 1) entertain myself and possibly others, and 2) do battle against right wing evil. I do stand ready, at any time, to debate issues in a civil manner, but I’ll match fire with fire when people start throwing insane comments out there. What now?

Props to the protesters. Keep up the good work!

Dantheguy9.
THAT’S REAL SPECIAL. GO FOR IT!

The protesters interrupted a July 4th ceremony welcoming the newest citizens of our great nation. The protesters sure made a big impression on them.

Rhys – The protesters are not rude. They are speaking up against the belligerent dangerous policies of this administration. If it saves us war with Iran, I say well done.

It takes a wing nut to believe that any president sends men into action knowing what the outcome will be. Bill Clinton didn’t allow thugs to drag a soldier through Somalia’s streets on purpose. Can it not be believed that a man can do what he believes to be right and wind up with some awful consequences? If freedom and justice end up being the endgame in Iraq, will it be worth the price paid? I can’t say. I do know that 232 years ago some men thought that freedom was worth a high price in blood on the ground we now protest on.

Bush might get to conscript some of these new citizens for more oversees adventure. Surely some of these people will die in his wake.

Rhys, you wouldn’t interrupt Hitler’s speech or Satan’s because it is just so rude. Since you think just like “Tina”, perhaps you should consider Merri’s quote:
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere
ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
– Martin Luther King Jr.
Your conscientious stupidity annoys any true patriot

It’s kind of a toss-up, isn’t it? It would be hard to say if I am gladder that I’m 69 years old or if today’s young people are gladder that my generation will soon be dead.

McCain wants to invade Iran. Good grief. Bush deserves this heckling. Many knew this would be a disaster.

Rhys – I hope Bush gets heckled everywhere he goes for choosing to invade Iraq without regards to the welfare of civilians in Iraq or our troops. As a Ron Paul supporter, I know that you have to get involved in civil disobedience where the cameras are rolling in order for your voices to be heard. This is a fact.

I will receive some criticism for this but here goes.
Regardless of what I do think of Bush, he is the President. The Office of President does deserve respect. These folks did not show the Office that respect. Bush only has about 6 more months to go. Let’s try to show the Office some respect.

I agree with those that object to what the protestors did at Bush’s speech. However, I remember the start of the protestors that objected to the Vietnam incident. Are we starting all over? It wasn’t pleasant when our military came home from that situation. Also, I watched a program showing that the christians in Irag are either being murdered or leaving their homes for fear of their lives in Irag. They said it was better when Sadam was the ruler. What’s the real story in Irag?

Its funny thought all you on here bashing bush and rep. The dems keep voting to send more money to IRAQ every year. Does this sound familiar: In 06′ we(the DEM) will bring our government back to where it needs to be? What a JOKE. Also, if McCain is so bad and Obama is the Savior why is Obama only winning in the Polls by like 5%. I think that is kind of funny. If he his so good and the majority of people want a change I would think Obama would be up by 25% of the vote. The lead says alot about the DEM candidate doesnt it.

Edward – Well said. The protest are necessary where the cameras are for one thing. They are also necessary because Bush doesn’t get it with regards to his belligerence towards Iran.

tim – Your right the dems and reps are two sides of the same coin with the exception of a few like Congressman Paul. Vote third party like I am and send a message to these power hungry crooks.

Kudos to these protesters. It takes guts. I have done it once, and it does feel good when it is for a just cause. These protesters also make people think about what is going on especially when so many are dying for what…..cheap oil contracts?.

Rhys – You are losing it. Iran as far as UN weapons inspectors are concerned, is not developing weapons grade material. They are also surrounded by people that hate them, some with nukes. They are also constantly badgered by the US whom has nukes as well and talks of invasion. Our beef is that they support Hamas and Hezbollah, two groups that it could be argued have legitimacy, because of Israeli actions. I am not to worried about having to read the Quran, although Europe should clamp down on immigration.

Some of you, Beto, Tina, Rhys– are making the same argument that has to do with being rude or being disrespectful to some holy OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY. Look, you would be bowing down to the office if Satan himself were occupying it (which doesn’t seem far from the case). NO, true patriotic Americans who understand our founding fathers cannot agree to showing respect for some holy office, respect is something a president should earn from leading the nation with wisdom, real courage (not the “let’s roll” bravado bullshit), and honesty to the American people who actually rule OVER him. If he failed miserably, rather if he deceived Americans and betrayed that office miserably, then by God let us speak up and let him know our extreme displeasure. You choose to disagree in some back parlour, whatever, but if everyone did that then to hell with democracy.

ahh…the free speech loving all inclusive left wing nuts on display. They all love free speech and tolerance when it lines up with their perverted ideologies.

Bush and every single member of his administration deserve to be publicly and relentlessly rebuked at every single public appearance until the day they stand trial for their egregious crimes against the constitution and this country. They are traitors to the constitution and criminals who continue believe-and assert in legal proceedings–that they stand above the law. Until such time as they answer for their crimes, they should be aggressively and visibly humiliated in every public venue–precisely because it is in the public square that they have used the “bully pulpit” to spread their lies, deceit, and propaganda–propaganda aimed not against the enemy, but against American itself. The megaphone Bush hoisted with such hypocrisy on the rubble of 9/11 is finally amplifying a different message: it is now a national clarion call to action against their delusional view of Pax Americana–an empire of self-satisfied bullies who create their own “realities” and distort beyond recognition the principles upon which we stand as a nation. As the Bush administration has broken faith with America, we owe them neither respect nor loyalty. America deserves more than a president that plays its people for fools. Good riddance in 09 to the most damaging and morally corrupt presidency in this country’s history. We shall not forget, Mr. President: you have dishonored your country, American people, and the Office of the President. On this July 4 we vow to return America to greatness, and we repudiate the false and dangerous vision you stubbornly foist upon us every time you’re given a microphone.

It’s nice to see that the “hope and change” crowd believes that respect is due only to them. The President and the ceremony to swear in new citizens ought to have been respected. Protesting his motorcade is fine but marring the event just shows only self-regard and disregard to all else.

smartprimate – Respect is initially there. However, when a leader chooses policies that kill tons of people and bankrupt our country, protests become necessary and beneficial. This guy should be ousted, and anyone that talks of war with Iran should be removed as well. For you republicans, we simply can’t afford another war. We can’t even afford the ones we are in now. Didn’t Ron Paul teach you anything?

Though I recognize I’m part of a very small minority, I still believe future historians will regard W as one of the greatest presidents in US history. Ya Ya, I know, mock me all you want…

Bush is no longer my president. He merely resides at the White House temporarily. These new citizens will always remember this day for its added excitement. I stand with these protesters.

Hughes – You are in an ever shrinking minority. Hopefully you will see the light too. China and Saudi Arabia will have to bankroll Iran too. Sounds like the present policies are suicidal.

Vote Nader or Barr etc. For goodness sakes no more of these reps and dems. There interests lie with themselves not us.

Skyebeader, sorry but I must write a few more thoughts as they seem important because there are many Americans who think as you do. There is a big difference between a just war and a war we started for a lot of wrong reasons. Your words could have and certainly were written by some German father whose son fought for the Nazis. I understand that father’s sense of pride and anger that his sons were in a war, but do you think his sons should have followed Hitler and fought because of lies Hitler told his German countrymen? And was the German who risked prison for speaking against Hitler a clown? Or was he a man who had the courage of his convictions, knew he would go to jail, but decided he had to speak out for his nation’s sake? I assure you those protesters went to jail and were otherwise harrassed for interrupting the holy president liar’s speech, and I thank them for that. We need more citixens like them and less of the type who proudly send their sons off to a twisted and unjust war and then think they can take the moral higher ground. Sorry, but it’s harder to have heroes when they are invaders, which is something the Germans learned.

American GIs, American, Israeli and British intel have kept our butts from being attacked again. NO SMALL FEAT!! IF OBAMA GETS IN THE TERRORISTS WILL BE BACK – YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!! ONE OF THEIR FIRST PRIOITIES IS TO HIT THE UNIVERSITIES WHERE MOST OF YOU NUT CASES GOT ALL THIS GARBAGE FROM!! IRONIC,HUH!!
Posted by: Jimbo | Jul 4, 2008 6:45:24 PM
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It’s nuts like you that vote for nuts like the two currently occupying the whitehouse. You are too dense to realize bush’s policies are causing as much or more problems and harm than they are solving or preventing. I know it’s hard to think unbiasly about your idol Bush, but you have to because the country is more important than any one person.

Ben Straub.
YEAH, THAT’S WHAT SPAIN TRIED TO DO – BE NICE TO THE TERRORISTS…. THEY GOT HAMMERED FOR IT!! GO BACK TO THAT UNIVERSITY WHERE YOU WERE TAUGHT ALL THAT GARBAGE. INTEL? – BS!!

I don’t like Bush, but I voted both times for him because the demmie choices were even worse. And this election with the in the closet lying terrorist friend Obama—–the demmies have someone much worse. All you had to do to get my vote—was pick someone even 1/2 decent—-but no, you got someone worse much worse. What is wrong with the demmies? One decent person is all I wanted.

That was such a simple test, AmericanPatroit, but no, you got a D. Us leftist weidros only believe the first two, the last is your own invention. Thus, you score 66% on the EASIEST TEST IN THE WORLD about your opponents’ politics. Maybe a career in parts assembly or flower arranging?

Don wrote: Remember one thing about respect. You respect the position, not the person in it. I was taught this in the army 50 years ago.
The army would teach you that, and the church would teach you the same about the pope, but in reality you have been institutionalized and have lost your bearings on what should deserve your respect. Someone here pointed out that if Satan himself occupied some position, then you are supposed to respect his position as the Grand Pubah of the Third Division? You go ahead and bow down, but I am not and never will be Institution Man. Too many of my countrymen have become institutionalized, and I hope one day I am not tortured by them for refusing to bow down to anything but the sanctity of the individualism that our founding fathers taught us is the only worthy office of respect.

Great to see their are a few Americans left with the patriotic spirit of our founding fathers.
I just re-read the Declaration of Independence again today.
It is frightening to see how many of the grievances our founding fathers had with the King of England that are EXACTLY similar to what Bush has done to America in the past eight years.
I would suggest ALL Americans…but particularly Republicans…read the Declaration of Independence.
Then THINK about what’s happened to YOUR country.

Where the hell did these American fascists come from? What happened to my country? They are like robots, for God’s sake, what happened? Reality TV did a number on their heads, they are not even in touch with reality and do not know it, how tragic for my nation.

The aftermath of 911 and the decisions Bush made have caused. An unncessary invasion and war of a sovereign Iraq. Which disrupted the world oil supply. We are trillions in debt, our military overstretched, extremely high gas and food prices, job slowdowns with millions of workers fired or laid off. With job prospects getting worse not better. Corruption is rampant throughout of federal government, our civil rights and the constitution spit on. Average americans cannot count on their government to work for them (Katrina, Midwest floods etc). Bush and McCain fight the new G.I. Bill for U.S. soldier in Iraq only to support it when it has a veto proof majority. Bush ignores congress’ request for documents to investigate corruption. Bush deletes emails that would be helpful in the investigation. I don’t recognize my country anymore. So the question is. Who won after 911 America or the terrorist?

Dantheguy9 – a protest is a protest. An event is an event. Protest where you will about what you want, but when you ruin innocent people with your protest for your own self-serving, arrogant gains at something that means an entirely different thing to the people whose event it is (and that is going to be a part of their lives for the rest of the time they have) have the guts to take some personal responsibility. You are saying that the personal events of the protesters are sacred, but the events of others that they purposely go out to trash are worthless. No, you will never make me understand that. It’s the Obama standard, and it has no place in this great nation. It is no wonder they are fencing in the protesters in Denver on hot pavement and without water.

Left Right Left Right Left, I am actually glad I don’t see things so simply as you with the bipolar disease. Wake up before it’s too late, my “rightwing” friends who think they can fly with one wing.

I sure wish these people would stop thinking they have to die for my freedom, because you know what, they aren’t dying for my freedom, those are those silly patriotic fake-poetic words they have sunk into your thick skulls, and I doubt will ever come back out, BUT you are not dying for America’s freedom. We were free before we attacked Iraq, and I assure you we will all be much freer (especially our soldiers) once they quit dying for war profiteers and get the hell out.

Dantheguy9 – a protest is a protest. An event is an event. Protest where you will about what you want, but when you ruin innocent people with your protest for your own self-serving, arrogant gains at something that means an entirely different thing to the people whose event it is (and that is going to be a part of their lives for the rest of the time they have) have the guts to take some personal responsibility. You are saying that the personal events of the protesters are sacred, but the events of others that they purposely go out to trash are worthless. No, you will never make me understand that. It’s the Obama standard, and it has no place in this great nation. It is no wonder they are fencing in the protesters in Denver on hot pavement and without water.
Posted by: Skyebeader | Jul 4, 2008 7:22:20 PM
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One must ignore people like Skyebeader who love to wrap themselves in the flag while supporting every uncontitutional thing Bush does. And what’s the excuse? You must respect the office of president even if not the person. In their simpleton mind it’s the stuff that makes this country great!

I just wonder why nobody blames congress for giving a president and UN power to go to war and to protect us.

You left-wing jerks had no problem with the Clinton Administration burning Americans into the ground, seizing children with guns and guerillas, and ignoring the Constitution. You idiots make me laugh talking about the Constitution.

Just wait if Obama takes over, he’ll be even worse than the Clinton Administration!!

Well, that tears it. Now Bush will revoke the First Ammendment!

That happened in Texas right? So I guess the Iraq war subsequent damage to our nation and constitution is Bush payback?
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Maybe you should have spoken then instead of remaining silent because it was Clinton whom you adored!! Like you adore Obama! And then things wouldn’t have gotten out of control?? As far as Iraq, I think Saddam knew how to keep those people in line!! So you are barking up the wrong tree.

Phillip J – I didn’t not see your second post when I responded to your first, but I think that my first response might have answered a lot for you. My family has been career military for decades and did not begin their journeys under the current president, whom I did not vote for either time, btw. I think that you are entirely misinterpreting my consternation. I am totally and fully in support of protest. I did it myself after my own brother was killed in ‘Nam. However, I never rained my protests on the sunshine of another’s personal, prideful event. They could have done everything that they did and more (in my opinion, they need to watch some films of how we did it in the ’60s, they put on a pretty weak display) on the motorcade path, before the speech began, after it was over. They can do it at a White House Lawn address with just reporters and invited guests in the audience. They can do it in the chambers on Capitol Hill. Trust me, they will be televised just as they have been today. But, to go out an ruin something like the swearing in of new citizens who have followed our laws, studied our history, met every demand made of them to achieve their dream of being a U.S. Citizen is just cheap. The protesters thought of no one but themselves and their seconds of fame. They could care less about a lifetime of damage they did to 70+ people who were swelling with pride. I do not disagree with their protest, I do not disagree with their message, I disagree with their complete, total disregard of their fellow man. Who upon taking that oath, are exactly as equal as they are and should have been shown the respect that they earned. All of the pink babies looked like they got it for free for being popped out here.

well since only 20% of the country support bush and the botched war, it looks like 80% of the country is ‘godless communists’… see how the neocons try to defeat reason?… luckily, the mainstream is seeing the BS of this mindset and will start to move this country forward, instead of backwards into the laps of the rich

I’m not even going to dive into this ridiculous argument. Both parties have made bad decisions. Its one thing to protest against the president. But these protests at this 4th of July speech are just plain rude and uncalled for. I dont care who is president Republican or Democrat, they still deserve some respect. Even George Bush! You protesters should be ashamed. There are so many people on this forum that hate Bush, McCain and Obama. (you get to look forward to another 4-8 years of complaining) LOL…I am still laughing at some of these WAY left wing comments.

Sure are a lot of preening repuglicans here today spewing their usual nonsense.
You’d think after eight years of endless incompetence and failure with their hero Bush Junior…they’d be man enough to have some humility…or at least crawl into a hole and hide.
But like all good repuglicans, they’re too impressed with the sound of their own voice to realize NOBODY in America gives a rat’sass what they think anymore.
I’m off to barbecue, beer, and fireworks. Have a GREAT fourth.

They ALL need to go. If there’s any hope for this country, we need to start from scratch with people who want to serve the country and not themselves.

That happened in Texas right? So I guess the Iraq war subsequent damage to our nation and constitution is Bush payback?
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Maybe you should have spoken then instead of remaining silent because it was Clinton whom you adored!! Like you adore Obama! And then things wouldn’t have gotten out of control?? As far as Iraq, I think Saddam knew how to keep those people in line!! So you are barking up the wrong tree.
Posted by: just hypocrites | Jul 4, 2008 7:47:18 PM
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I adore no politicians , my friend.

Unconstitutional – can you read? This had NOTHING to do with the protesters or what they had to say. I’m depressed that they were lightweights and not even good at their display – rank amateurs. It is ALL about them ruining the swearing-in ceremony for 70+ people who went through more than anything you will ever dream of doing in your lifetimne to get what you got because your parents had a nice time in the back of a beater Chevy.

This was probably Bush’s first appearance before a real American crowd, not a staged audience of friendly Bush-backers, in many months. He finally hears what the average American think of him.

Unconstitutional – can you read? This had NOTHING to do with the protesters or what they had to say. I’m depressed that they were lightweights and not even good at their display – rank amateurs. It is ALL about them ruining the swearing-in ceremony for 70+ people who went through more than anything you will ever dream of doing in your lifetimne to get what you got because your parents had a nice time in the back of a beater Chevy.
Posted by: Skyebeader | Jul 4, 2008 8:14:10 PM
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Bush will not allow photos of flag draped caskets of our fallen soldiers returning who paid the utimate price for this country and his ill advised invasion. Do you have any outrage over that?

Jose are you here legally or using the internet from Mexico?

Skybeader, I understand where you are coming from, the loyal army family of many generations, willing to suffer for their belief that they are doing good in the world, who have always believed in duty, honor and respect, have passed those values on to their children. You are the guys this country needs when the going gets tough.
You know, the only problem is that when a gang of criminals takes over the U.S. Government, you guys follow orders (as is your job) and you end up causing bad things like dead civilians, occupations and a bad name for America– which is not your fault, but the sociopathic leaders who lie to Americans so as to ship you off to war. There is a difficult line between duty and conscience that every solider must surely face. I think duty is always set above conscience in military life, and that is why you are institutionalized, you have sacrificed your sense of individualism for the nation, but that sacrifice should come from conscience and not duty. You can end up yelling “Yes Sir!” and following orders straight to hell.

Yeah, the left loves America as long as one of their’s is in office, otherwise it’s the worst country on the planet. Grow up ya spoiled brats!

Duty traces etymologically back to the idea of “due” or debt, whereas conscience has its roots in the idea of awareness or knowledge. Soldiers are taught to act out of duty, a sense of owing or debt. Here’s the thing, though. If a soldier does not think about why he is killing, and obeys orders out of duty, then it will result in one of two things. Either he will lose conscience and be akin to a machine, which will make life not worth living since he will feel as though he has lost his soul, or he will become a nihilist who is simply evil and sadistic. That is why we see suicides and atrocities coming out of this war, suicides are the depressed soldiers who have killed and lost their souls, atrocities are from the nihilists who learn to enjoy raping and pillaging.
World War II soldiers, who fought what we call a “just war” were in possession of their conscience when they fought, they knew they were performing their duty truly to save the free world. I do not believe that is the case with Iraq, where many soldiers quickly come to understand that they are not in a “just war” which destroys morale, and no amount of “sense of duty” can overcome a corrupt and senseless war, which is what soldiers figure out they are in engaged in. They learn that the real war and the one on TV are radically different. I am curious, what do you think of that?

think the Nuremberg trials put a end to the “I was just following orders” defense. Something I hope Bush, Cheney and his cronies just might discover won’t work for them.
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You are a total dunce to even compare the Iraq War to The Holocaust. That is just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard! You are desperate. That is pretty low. Tell me. Do you really care about Jews? How do you feel about them having a homeland?

Roland – thanks for summing up the mentality. That’s why they have the suicide rate they have. We’re not that branch. It will be interesting when the next president conscripts you… into the source of your rage. The other branches do not accept criminal records or GEDs. That is exactly where the next president will take you after he ignores the advice of your commanders on the ground. But, you can just quit right then and there. Should be all good for you. Could you please tell us of the virtues of your family’s lengthy career history at Kumar’s 7-11? Where they follow those orders stating “Do not take the outdated milk of the shelves” straight to hell? A convenience store cashier thinks he can back down someone in cyberspace. Isn’t that special. Thanks for the stretch and effort on your part, though. Are your lipstick and toenail polish pink, by any chance?

i find it disturbing that NOW everyone gets emboldened after the WAR started and right before the end of bush’s term. where were all of you when WE the 18% (pre war) were protesting (BEFORE THE WAR STARTED)? we needed you. we were getting spit at, arrested, pelted with rocks and urine and called traitors while the rest (the majority) played it safe. NOW you speak up? explain that to the dead…it is easy to be anti-war after the fact when pack mentality sets in, when it is popular and safe and the majority agrees it was a failure.

Roland – I think that you are reading selected Web sites and quotes of your very own choosing. Go for it. I also think that you have never even met anyone in the military. I am sure that you have never served, nor have had a family member in, nor been affected in person by any member of the military. They are not automatons, they are not killers, they are not robots, they are professionally trained men and women who have careers that they chose, that they are highly trained for (ooh, they have people like MDs in there), and they serve in an environment where they can voice an opinion – all while on active. They are not third-shift cashiers at the 7-11. They have higher-tech gear than cheap latte’ machines full of spoiled milk. Think of them as educated boogiemen and you’ll be just fine.

Sonia, some of these morons still think they should beat you for your opinion being against a war that should never have been started. Look at them, defending war and calling you names just because you actually think about things independently. I was there getting dissed for my opinion back when they thought it was being a “traitor” to point out that the creeps were liars who were about to shed innocent blood and steal all our treasury, I knew what they were doing, but to this day I see guys like m-antony threatening to spill my blood on the floor for my truth. You know what, I’ve experienced my blood getting spilled on the floor because I refused to change my mind, that’s what makes me a man and you a tyrant, m-antony and all those others talking about beating people who disagree with them. The only thing guys like you ever taught me is that the truth will set you free, and by that I mean I overcame fear. You guys get in a torture cell, you’ll cry like babies, I doubt you know what it is to overcome all sense of fear, including fear of death. But that’s just leftie pansy talk, right righties?

I had no questions to begin with, Roland. So, allow me to put it in terms that you can understand. Huh? Run away, now, I think you have a customer coming in to complain about the spoiled milk in her latte’ and that your gas pumps are racking up dollars before spilling gas. Kumar is going to be really upset that you couldn’t pull that off. After all, you were up for minimum wage next year.

Code Pink, Moveon,DailyKos. I believe in the freedom of speech. Helped defend you morons. At the same time , I would like to have 5 minutes with some of you alone. No protection, just you and I. We will discuss your views and who knows? Maybe no blood will be on the floor.
Posted by: m-antony | Jul 4, 2008 9:15:26 PM
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Hey bud, everybody is a tuff guy when using their mommie’s computer. Why not save it for your fight game on your playstation? Because I’m not impressed.

phillip thank you for your thoughtful commentary. we were written off and treated like the scum of the earth by the MAJORITY for being against the war before it started. that still hurts and i find myself resenting the johnny come lately anti-war crowd. since the pre war percentage against the war was something like 18% that means the majority of the anitwar posters, and bloggers,and media on these sites were either pro war or didn’t care, what a shame.

Phillip J – you just think whatever you want to, buddy. That’s how they make it work. But, remember, they don’t think one whit about you. They have real jobs. Spew your hate, type your keyboard into molten plastic, they don’t even know your name, they do not lay awake at nights worrying about you, they’re actually doing worthwhile things. So that you can have your online tantrums. Fascinating when I know both sides of the story.

Obama’s first guest in the WH. Fidel Castro to sleep in The Lincoln Bedroom.
Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad invited for dinner to dine on freshly slaughtered lamb with curry and halal.
Foot prayers at 3:00pm Fridays and National Day For Tolerance Of Muslim Prayer. Anyone refusing to sign the IRS form for tolerance will taxed jizyah. (just is zesty you have home)

Skyebeader … you’re so deep and all knowing, thank god your on our side

JODY!!!!!!! Thank you for your post. You are right on! Your my hero!!!!!

Phillip, I did not say that you did. I have already contacted the Web master. Thanks.

U.S. Common Sense – exactly. There is no doubt that these people’s right to protest is protected under our laws. They have every right to do so about anything that is bothering them. But do not rain on and destroy massive accomplishments of people who have worked for something that they have dreamed about and worked for for decades, in some instances. Thank you for a thoughtful, on-topic post. It is appreciated. Watch out for hijackers and pirates in these waters, however. :-(

Bush Lied, Kids Died!
I love Obama and so does my Momma!

Not to worry. President Hussein Obama will just use his rhetorical charms on our enemies and then all our problems will vanish and birds will sing and all will be right with the world. American will only stand on the right side of every issue and messy moral dilemmas will never happen again. God will be frustrated because there will be no more people who want to go to heaven after Obama has created one on earth.

Sorry, turdulove, I am still plugged into your mommie! I deal with you in a second.

Omentum – why would they walk away? They were mortified by something that they did not cause or deserve? Could you please quote a link to where Obama said that new U.S. citizens should be humiliated and that their humiliaters should be rewarded? I knew that the Senator’s family were and are not citizens, but I am very curious to see where he is actively promoting that new citizens should be regaled. Makes me wonder what he will do to original citizens. TIA

Bush is awesome. The spastic cries of frustrated quasi-commie code pinkos on this page are like music. Squeal like a pig, libs.

The omentum is a fat-filled structure that hangs down from the colon and stomach.
I have seen this feces-cushioning structure many times on these discussion forums.
Are you an Obama staffer, sir? Wagging the dog a little bit? Pathetic.

Bush is a war criminal who went to Iraq with the primary purpose of taking their oil fields. Iraq had no links to 9/11, posed no threat to America in 2003.
Posted by: Dave from queens | Jul 4, 2008 10:35:02 PM
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America has made no move whatsoever to take Iraqi oil. Bush went into Iraq to take out an enemy and hoped to forge a democracy in the middle east. Hussein repeatly kicking out weapons inspectors and controlling their movements. Maybe when Bush delivered his ultimatum for unconditional inspections, those morons should have taken him seriously.

Cass
If your were so stupid you would know that my signature is a combination of the words Obama and Momentum.
Posted by: Omentum | Jul 4, 2008 10:54:43 PM
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What ever your say…. shytebag.
I guess you are not an Obama staffer, as your grammer is terrible. I’m guessing…. 9th grade? Are you like Bon qui qui, from the “From the Hood” program?

Cass
Just a masters graduate typing too fast thanks …. Idiots like yourself cause me to make typos at an above average rate.
Just like now. You immediately peg me as a 9th grader bon qui qui from the hood. You don’t know me, my race or where I live.
I call you an idiot because of what you say in your blogs. For instance …shytebag. A non-word that makes no sense – just like you.. an idiot that makes no sense.

just trying to save your life.
Thank me later.

Dont worry about my spelling, its a good example of your schools too.

HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY TO ALL PATRIOTS
GOD BLESS AMERICA
OBAMA 2008

The left wingers are really hysterical with their rants. They think they’re helping their cause, they look like a bunch of screaming kindergartners! You’re really attracting a lot of moderates to your side aren’t you?…….LMAO

McCain does not have the judgment and patience to lead America. He is an ill-informed, myopic, close-minded man who is easily swayed by the bigoted religious right. Check out the result of his BRILLIANT support of the “Surge”, not to mention the fatally wrong idea to go to war with Iraq in the first place, and not actually go after the 9/11 terrorists. Check the facts at the below link:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18722376/the_myth_of_the_surge

It looks like the KOS Klowns and Huffington posters must have canceled their Hate-America convention.

I say deport the pink-uniformed, lesbian, communist party delegates to Iran and replace them with Iraqis who understand what it is like living in a Marxists Utopia.

Sorry Miles1967…that was NOMOREBUSH

well excuse you o2baladyvol. I think that someone else garaunteed would have done something better than your “little Georgie”. Now here’s your chance to see a better America, but you probably want Bush’s twin. (which is McCain, he’s to old to be your little Georgie’s son.)

Sick of Ignorant Marxists. I may not be a lesbian, but I’m not racist. So, keep your racist opinions to yourself, before you get yourself in trouble.

o2baladyvol,
The left is not concerned with protecting this country. If you read some of their hate-filled sites, you will discover that most of them support the terrorists. Their only goal is to transform this country into another failed totalitarian society.
Your thoughts were right on target. The ironic point of the left’s position is, it is their policies and belief systems, or lack of, that the jihadists detest. They will be the first hunted down and slaughtered. Hitler used his useful idiots much in the same way and slaughtered them when they lost their value to him. It will be a sad and dangerous day for the world if this group of people ever gain control of our government.

Please tell us NOMOREBUSH since you are so in touch with things.

AND NOMOREBUSH….America is about tolerance of all people within our nation. How can you call yourself a true American patriot when you clearly hate Americans? We are just having a discussion here, not a death penalty court case.

Then you would have been mad because he left those poor, innocent kindergardners with no explaination wouldn’t you? See, he couldn’t win, ie do anything right.

If you see my point, you would understand. I said that I wouldn’t continue with the students, I would leave them and start ordering others what to do.

“Sick of Ignorant Marxists. I may not be a lesbian, but I’m not racist. So, keep your racist opinions to yourself, before you get yourself in trouble.
NOMOREBUSH”
Who appointed you Queen? There is nothing racists about pointing out the facts. Save you Political Correctness and Marxist propaganda bullshit for someone who cares.

Cass is an a$$ with no class who sucks and licks elephant pricks.

I love Allah, I love Obama, We Shall Over come!!!!!
Obama/Allah 2008 We will pray to the East in the White House!!

Todd I meant Sweetie.

Well, NOMOREBUSH, you’ve told me off now I can go…I, too, was bored and while you were entertaining for a while I have grown weary of your retoric.
1. She doesn’t think the war is usless, I said “you do”
2. I guess you don’t have “pimples” cuz you have insurance to get medication to hide it, which is a freedom that comes in America…(right now)
3. I dont “have to tolerate your opinion” I chose happily to do so because someone DIED so you could have yours.
4. A person shows how juvenile he/she is when they have been proven wrong.
****Thank you so much for proving my points!!!!

Shut up you old antique! shouldn’t you be napping at this time?

I don’t think Mom or Dad (if he’s in the home) ever talked to NOMORE like that, sh..he’s liable to take offense.

This blog is disgusting. Full of abuse and disturbing to see so much hatred for Bush.
If it were not for Bush you would be fighting terorists in your back yards.
Grow up and show some respect for your president. Never seen so many morons.

One does not have to be “antique” to appreciate sacrifice. That is your problem, you whine about what’s wrong but you aren’t willing to sacrifice anything to anything better, you just want to play out your rehtoric.

Wait a minute……is John Sydney McCain for or against torture, offshore drilling and the new G.I. Bill this week? Shucks pardner he’s just a regular ole cowboy ain’t he?

NOMOREBUSH does your parents know you are planning to bomb your local govt building….lolololololol

God bless John McCain a true American Icon who sacrificed nearly all for the sake of his country and refused preferential treatment even while being tortured – True Character.. And Barrack Hussein has done what for his country….oh yeah voted PRESENT more than anyone else….quite a record, no doubt!

NOMORE…..I’m sorry, don’t take offense – tomorrow’s another day.

KeepIn…my 15 year old either…he would be out playing Halo…

What’s normal to you for a young teen? Go to parties every other night, getting drunk and pregnant? I call it crazy. Tell your kids the examples that you want for them. You’re not my parents, you see, I grew up with intellingence unlike some children, growing up with dumb-ass parents like you o2baladyvol.

No, I’m gifted with much more that isn’t any of your buissness.

NOMOREBUSH…IF you really are what you say you are then kuddos to you. Being involved in the opinions of the people is very important to rounding your future. However, listening improves knowledge…other people’s opinions can help you formulate and perfect your own arguement. Getting angry only enhances others ability to tune your very valuable opinion out.

Bush at Monticello is an abomination. Bush repeatedly spits on the Constitution. He’s done more to damage our nation in the last 7 years than any outside enemy ever could.

Todd, you are very right. Out of all the history my 16 year old has taken, the true meaning of the “the history” of this country has never been taught. We are slowly loosing our true heritage.
Do you think anyone knows the sacrifice of the 50 something men who signed our Declaration of Independence this day, so many years ago? They died in poverty, alone, sought after, and killed. All of this was because of a belief of FREEDOM. Are we a dedicated nation following in that belief today? I would say not. Sacrifice means nothing to those who are spoiled and let others sacrifice in their stead.

It is just amazing that all those ditto heads who blame Bush for war and say he should be impeached don’t have a clue that a bunch of Democrats, including Hillary, voted for the war. Congress declares war, not the president so if anyone should go to jail it should be those Democrats who voted for it.
The ditto-heads don’t understand that if the USA pulls out of Iraq, then all those terrorists pouring into Iraq to fight will have won and then they will come to the USA to finish winning their war. Their recruitment will go way up because the will have won in Iraq by virtue of the fact that the American military there gave up and left without finishing the job.
Who ever pulls the US troops out of Iraq before the job is finished is promoting quitting and losing.
Ditto-heads blame the President for declaring war, which Congress did. Ditto-heads want to quit and lose. It shows what total losers they are.

NOMORE…..I think that you should understand that politics is a very rough game, not just on blogs, but for real. Most of those involved in it professionally (which I’m not btw) would rather cut your heart out than give in, metaphorically speaking, but sometimes not. The great virtue of this country is we can speak to each other in these terms and not have the government at our door-step. That right was given to us by the men and women who have fought and died to defend those ideals which is one reason I like John McCain so much. He was willing to fight and sacrifice his life, if needed and which he almost did on several occasions, for that ideal. I would guess most of the protesters today have never felt that need, but it’s their right to yell whatever they want at the most powerful person in our country without fear. John McCain among many others gave them that right.

Todd you just freaked me out right there. They can’t come to my door-step. Shouldn’t I have an opinion and free speech?

Much to NOMOREBUSHS’ delight this “antique” is leaving.
Just some final thoughts on my original post…
1. Did Bush make decisions that cost him personally and professionally? I think so.
2. Do I think he thought those decisions were right for a NATION? I think so.
3. Do I think that if knowing where he’d be today he would do the same thing? I think so.
4. So I think America knows the right decision or who could make it? I think not.
5. People his name is BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. Should we be concerned? I think so.
However, stating all that…I do not think anyone out there in the current political arena is capable or ready to give this nation the results we demand or need.

NOMORE….no, no, you miss understood. I was using an example of why we’re so blessed here, that something like that can’t happen because it does and has in other nations today and in the past. Nazi Germany for example or the former Soviet Union. They could come take you away and no-one would ever hear from you again. Actually, I think that happened frequently in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, but that’s another story.

What a second antique, don’t leave yet. So what if his name is Barack Hussein Obama? Why are you being racist all of a sudden? He isn’t a terrorist.

You racist people please stop venting your racist feelings under the guise of political opposition. In other words I know you wear your bed linen after you get up and about. Nothing but the worst america has to offer. I oughta know I was once a part of your crowd. I never could figure out why I hated blacks so much. I never lived near them or anything I just hated them for no reason. I guess I was just plain stupid like the rest of the fools against Obama because he’s black. Wise up before you find yourself in hell like me.

Ok NOMOREBUSH, I have to comment you have me interested yet again….
My concern is this…There are things circulating about his ties…ties that make his name detrimental, that tie him to the thoughts of the self declared enemy, Osama Bin Ladin. There is no racism, their is concern for the lack of response by the party who puts forward the canidate to “solve our plight”. I see pictures of Obama in Africa with ties to political terrorists. I hear that his brother is a leader of a political terrorist group. There is no sense of respect and honor for what America stands for from this man. Who can help the disparaged, looking for a reason to hope for the rise of America?

David….come on that’s alarmist, you don’t really believe that do you?

Victory to the people..It is time the average American showed this numb nut just exacty what we think of him and his crime family and criminal administration. He has 198 more days left/ 4752 hours but he will try and do as much damage to this country as he can in the last days of his corrupt administration.

Thanks. It is unreal what happened here and what local politicians can get away with. 500 dollars a day is what a friend of mine has been fined. He had 23 feet of water. It’s crazy so he won’t rebuild. thanks, again.

Remember Sept 11, 1991? That is what started these wars. Dont blame the President. I say kill all our enemies wherever they are. If these anti-war hippies werent so lucky to live here, they would be lucky to be alive to do anything. There will always be wars and always be soldiers, sailors and airmen dying in them. With the worlds population exploding to record levels, it isnt global warming or gas prices that will annoy us, it will be the next real war. Get ready hippies. You will love the marines when they are keeping our enemies from killing you!!!

Optimus, I’m critical of the Bush administration, but I hope I’ve never devalued or disrespected the people who serve this country in uniform. All too often it’s easy to confuse the two. I would just ask you to consider that there are a lot of people who are happy and proud to pay their taxes for a competent military which can protect us when necessary, but the rights you/they fight for include the right – actually the obligation – to speak out when power is being abused at the top. This isn’t a reflection on the fine people doing the job they’re ordered to do, wherever or whatever it is. Is that reasonable?

What an insult this man is to everything that we hold dear. To come to the hallowed ground of Thomas Jefferson and have the temerity to add insult to injury by his vain attempt to equate his crimes to the struggle for American Independence. Yes, he and others in his administration are war criminals and should be tied as such.

Nope, the hippies may someday be gone, but thanks to progress and enlightenment, their vision of an America that spreads peace and respect instead of war and domination is growing. Thank God.

Jimbo,
ACTUALLY, JIMBO, THE ACTIONS OF THESE PROTESTER/NARCISSISTS TELL MUCH MORE ABOUT THEIR CHARACTER (LACK OF) AND THEIR LOW LEVEL OF MATURITY, THAN ANY MESSAGE THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SEND.

Ron.
Your last sentence is confusing. Are you talking about Bush not being allowed to speak – or the protesters?

“the pink vote or so called ladies’, disrupted McCain’s speech, they are the surrogates of Obama’s campaign. It was down right rude and discussing. No one interrupted Obama’s speech on the 4th. Now the overtly patriotic Obama with his flag pin and all is not fooling most Americans. When he stated once,’ dont’t tell me words don’t matter. ‘I have a dream.’ Just words.’ will all I can say, ‘don’t tell me that symbols don’t matter. Putting your hand over your heart when saying the Pledge. Just a symbol. Treating the Flag with reverence. Just a symbol. Wearing a flag pin. Just a symbol. Symbols do matter.’ Only for political reason did these symbols matter to Obama. One more game played by Obama. to get votes.

What is happening to our United States of America? Many politicians are corrupt, not doing the job they were elected to up hold, spending our hard earned money on frivalous ways to spend it.
I’m sick of them. I think we ALL should stand up review their progress and then fire them!
I’m on a limited income (Social Security) and can barely make it especially with the economy being so as bad as it is.
Thank you Mr. Bush. You do not deserve being called ‘President’.

Thanks Gus, that explains a lot.

smmocher – actually I think it’s McCain who has a history of getting captured by the enemy. lol

Good for those who have the principle to stand up to this tyrant of a “president.” If I were there I would have joined them in ridiculing this disgusting war monger who is trashing the Constitution. For all of you Republicans out there, “Why does Bush hate America?”

A shame to watch as our country lose its civility. It is in fact
encouraged by the press for they will show a man or woman swearing at the President of The United States versus the speech and content of the speech.
The news becomes the loud mouth bums not the president – but that are great press stooping again again again. The too hate Bush and show it when ever they kind and as often as they can

Bush’s ratings is in the twenties????
How is that any worse than our newly elected democratic majority congress???

Replying to Troy Street that the right to protest is almost uniquely American…
Your ignorance of the rest of the world is almost uniquely American.

What do the protesters expect to gain? Bush is a lame duck president who will be replaced in six months and in the meantime can accomplish none of his goals because the congress is Democrat controlled. As bad as his policies may seem we elected him to lead us. Making a lot of noise is our legal right but having the right doesn’t make it right.

Craig- one more thing. George Washington said we should not have political parties too. He said they would destroy or country. You can quote all you want

Southern Patriot. I for one have plenty of respect for the personnel who make up our military and also deep contempt for the present administration’s policies. Why do you assume that everyone who despises Bush despises America? I’ve never understood that. You also have no need to call liberals marxists or socialists. If you really don’t see the difference your comments have to be taken with a grain of salt.

It’s a kick. Every election, yes every election the opposing party screams for change. Why do we always want change, no matter which party is in power. What change ? No more war ? There will always be wars, and rumors of wars, so get over it and just deal with it. That’s the real world. So if Obama is elected, he’ll pull all the troops out out of Iraq ? Well that’ll be real smart, then Iraq will end up right back similar to what it was, and everything we fought for, will have been for nothing. So yes, go ahead and scream and yell at our President, like the fools you are. But don’t forget, if Obama get’s elected, you must scream and yell at him too, when he does something stupid, and he will. For God’s sake, just be thankful that Hillary is out of the running.

Tim – I dunno, I think it would be obvious when I said that quotes are fine if their wisdom is useful. I don’t think Washington’s quote is particularly wise, since we’ve had political parties all along and we’re still going.
As far as violating our constitutional rights, you’re kidding, right? Just in case you’re actually serious: It’s fine if you don’t have a problem with illegal wiretapping, but I do. That was a violation of the 4th Amendment, as are other provisions of the “patriot act”. He’s also stomped on the equal protection clause (14th amendment) by extending tours of duty, authorizing or condoning the disenfranchisement of voters, refusing to fund NCLB, and ignoring the Katrina victims. Direct violations of constitutional provisions, including criminal violations, would include lying to Congress and the American people on multiple occasions; “signing statements” in which he declares that he doesn’t have to obey the laws Congress enacts; committing America to a war without a declaration; attempting to circumvent the treaty process; and putting americans in jeopardy by abrogating the Geneva Convention and about a dozen other international agreements and treaties. These are clear violations, but in my opinion you can also add permitting his VP to shop energy policy to the highest industry bidders; condoning the traitorous exposure of a CIA agent; appointing political hacks to the bench in violation of his constitutional trust; selling foreign policy to Carlyle and Halliburton; selling healthcare legislation to the pharmaceutical industry; and violating the establishment clause in a thousand ways, but in just one example, placing orphaned Muslim Indonesian children with only Christian families. I don’t really have time to go on, but yeah, it’s just a little bit more serious than searching my duffelbag at the airport

…see what happens when you don’t have Rove around to insure that no one but good old GOP neo-conservatives are in the audience??