Ron Paul Gets Bigger Soapbox for Shadow Convention

“But there were not (on balance) many voters for Paul, who while he stayed in the race against Sen. McCain longer than any of his GOP rivals, has very few Republican delegates.”
How about you throw the actual numbers out there so readers can decide for themselves whether or not Ron Paul’s 1 million plus votes are a lot or not.
Journalism 101

Taking time to go to the respective conventions to become ELECTED delegates is far from infiltrating. Poor choice of words. I hold the Paul delegates in high esteem, for the odds were against them yet, through perseverance they were able to garner some success, WITHOUT exploiting the rules.

Go Ron Paul! Make Obama’s victory more of a landslide!

Ron Paul has made several statements saying that the US is not a democracy. He hates democracy and wants to get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US, and he wants to dismantle the Dept of Education, IRS etc etc. The more I read about Ron Paul, the more appalled I am. for the first time in my adult life, seeing how many of my fellow American support this whacko, I am truly ashamed.

Paul’s campaign was BLACKED OUT of the news cycle.
That publicity, which other candidates like Rudy, Huck, and Mitt received in abundance, is worth billions.
By comparison, Paul’s 30 some million in contributions is only enough to send fewer than 1/3 of Americans ONE FIRST CLASS LETTER.
THAT’S ALL.
See how important mainstream media coverage really is?
Ron Paul is correct about the problems America faces right now, and if you don’t realize that, you better start doing some research – ON YOUR OWN.

Admittedly, Ron Paul does not come across as a strong leader. However, his insight into political and economic issues is very keen. Seeing how he was treated by the press and his fellow candidates made me ashamed. He was the only one to argue that the terrorists hate us not because we’re “free” but because of our foreign policy. He was then mocked for this. He’s the only one to get it right and then he’s mocked. Scary…

Having worked for a presidential candidate that was labeled by the media as “fringe” (or “moonbeam”) by the media, I empathize with the frustration of Mr. Paul’s supporters.
Mr. McCain would do well to insist that the convention planners give Mr. Paul the opportunity to speak from the Convention Podium (not in television hours) to give those who worked so hard, and believe with so much passion closure.
Mr. Clinton allowed Mr. Brown that opportunity without a requirement for endorsement in ’92, and I believe it bought both a some votes for Mr. Clinton (it did mine).
Mr. McCain is going to need every vote he can scrape from every corner of the joint, and to be dismissive of the Ron Paul voters could be a slight that hastens his demise.

The reality of our society is that we have become the product of the media marketing machine.
We are bombarded with a psychological warfare of marketing. We are influenced in everything we see, read, listen to or watch. The subtle things like everyone with a cell phone, everyone has a flat panel tv, everyone drives a nice new car, so the public feels that if they do not have those things, they are falling behind.
We created this debt monster, and the people behind the money are loving it all the way to the bank. You see, money is just a tool. When you get to the level of hundreds of millions of dollars, then it is no longer about the money, it is about the power and influence. The media wants a weak leader that they can control, Obama is that weak leader.
We do not need the IRS. It siphons money from the economy and costs more to operate each year. The USPS is also a dinosaur, as UPS and FED EX are now moving as much mail. Email has replaced the letter.
The Dept of Education is a joke. To avoid leaving behind a lazy child who refuses to learn, we will just dumb down all our kids to that one child. Wrong, make school tough, and pay the teachers.
The constitution is right, and the bill of rights are not subject to interpretation.

To that max guy….learn about your country…He says its not a democracy because its not…its a republic..and fools like you don’t know the difference and think its anti American to say so. And all those organizations you listed, do more harm than good or aren’t authorized at all. Go Ron Paul!

To Max,
Actually Ron Paul is quite correct the United Stares are not a Democracy. We are in fact a representative Republic.
The difference being that in a democracy the people decide directly on the issues at hand, where-as in a Republic the people elect representatives who vote or decide in their stead.
As to the IRS, they are a non-constitutional institution whose charter was never approved by a majority of states (to put it simply).
later,
John

Go Ron Paul. We need to take out the Federal Reserve Bank, and give our nation the right to coin it’s own money, interest free.
Since 1913 we are now 9 trillion in debt to the private monopoly ‘The Fed.’ Which many are learning, is not a govt. branch, but a group of 300 men who take 40% of US income taxes as ‘interest.’ Usurers run our country.
I’m a 39 yr old white female, married with kids. I’ve got the sense to read for myself, you should to. Look it up.
Ron Paul wants to stand up to those men, take em out of the loop and reestablish our government, as it was intended by Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and even Andrew Jackson. We’ve got a reincarnated Andrew Jackson in Ron Paul (figuratively speaking), wish the South would wake up. America needs a revolution, without bloodshed.
PLEASE. I pray for Americans to wake up and take back their government. Run for office and win. Say NO to those special interests running our policy and world policy. WTO, The Federal Reserve,the World Bank, etc.
Can you imagine American’s quality of life if we no longer “owed” the Federal Reserve Bank? We wouldn’t need to pay income taxes. And what happens if you refuse to pay income taxes to pay the Fed? You go to jail. Debtor’s prison.
The Income tax was established to pay the Fed, a group of businessmen who came along and decided to exploit the system of our constitution, by commandeering the government’s right to coin it’s own money. Politicians have messed up America with their bad policies and lack of good policies. Most of them are not in it for us. They are the henchpeople of the Fed.

My head is spinning from all of the conspiratorial nonsense being spewed here. The UN is a foreign government? Income Tax was established to pay the Fed (which came along 50 years after the first income tax)? The Fed is unconstitutional (ever heard of the Necessary and Proper clause)? Do you people all get your talking points from the nutjobs at the John Birch Society?
And since when do Libertarian-minded people (which I presume many Ron Paul supporters are) favor taking a semi-private institution (the Fed) and giving its power solely to the government?

Ron Paul desires better than this hack article attempts to delivery.
The media trys to put Ron Paul in a questionable roll at every turn.
I feel Ron Paul is just what this country needs to move in the right directiion.

Our money is currently backed by the good faith of the Federal Reserve.
There is nothing to back it up, well actually there is. Treasury notes.
Has anyone noticed how the amount of dollars in circulation is remarkably similar to the federal debt?
That is not a coincidence.
Our money is backed by the good faith of the Federal Reserve, which is backed by Treasury notes, which are backed by us and our taxes.
Pretty clever little scheme ain’t it?

The more I read about non Ron Paul supporters, the more appalled I am. Why anyone would want someone else telling them what they can and cannot do is beyond me. Why anyone would want to give up freedom for dictatorship is beyond me. Why anyone would think I would get on my knees and obey their every command is beyond me. I make my own choices. And I will protect those rights to the end of my days. For the first time, in my adult life, seeing how many americans are willing to bend over and give it all away, I am truly ashamed.

I’ve voted democrat in every presidential election since I turned 18. And honestly, looking back, I’m still proud of those decisions. Even though they are considered the BIG government party, Clinton did more to decrease the size (exenditures and personnel)of the Federal government than any president that I’m aware of. (Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.) However, at the same time I don’t agree with deregulation without sound reasoning. I’m not one of those people who truly believes that everyone else is an idiot. Everything was deregulated at first – right? There is a reason why we don’t still live in the Wild Wild West. I love the idea of personal privacy and not having to be listed in a hundred different government and corporate databases. Personally, I believe most government agencies are overfed, top – heavy, ineffective sink holes. However, I understand these agencies grew due to real world complexities. Maybe we need to reexamine the issues each agency is supposed to address. But we are going to have to drop all the dramatic grand standing, sit down and spend some time analyzing the real issues. We spend way too much mental energy trying to find fault with various points of view. I don’t know about anyone else, but I am SICK of political pundits. Left, right, male, female – all of them. It would be more effective if some of our ‘leaders’ would sit down together and make some sound decisions. Let’s dimantle the IRS (national sales tax or 10% flat tax) and revamp EVERY federal agency. Oh yeah – term limits! term limits! term limits! Just a few thoughts…

Yep, and the “soapbox” is gonna keep getting bigger. The more people we can educate about what has been going on in this country for the last century, the more who are going to abandon their illusions about “government taking care of everything”. The R3VOLution has begun, and the mainstream media’s days of keeping the populace dumbed down are numbered. Hope you stashed some gold or silver away folks, because the American penny is now worth less than the metal used to mint it.

This is going to be much bigger and more exciting than the official convention.

Ron Paul was the only one that explained why our foreign policy is detrimental to our health. For this, I applaud him. I hope the republicans loose simply because of the disrespect they showed Paul in the debates. He was also the only candidate, it seems, that understood the true reasons behind our march towards economic bankruptcy. I hope Ron Paul is around for decades to come to keep up his consistent message of small government, fiscal responsibility, and personal responsibility.

Those foolish Ron Paul supporters.
Wanting to spend their own money?
Silly people, that’s the government’s job.
Abolish the Fed and have our currency backed by something tangible like gold?
Crazy talk!
Scale back the federal government and allow people and the individual states to make their own decisions?
Lunacy! Republican and Democrat party members know better than you!
We need to be governed by the strong hand of Washington D.C. and blanket rules and regulations, not local governments making decisions based upon their individual situations.
One size fits all!
Imagine that these silly Ron Paul supporters actually want to control where their children go to school and what they study.
They don’t want their kids in our fabulous union run liberal indoctrination centers?
The arrogance!
Yeah, those silly Ron Paul supporters must have some serious loose screws banging around their heads.

How do we know what would have happened in this campaign if Vote Fraud had not occurred in New Hampshire? The Live Free or Die Team on the ground in that state believed that Ron Paul had 37% of the vote. When people were quizzed in exit polls about their reason for picking a candidate they claimed by 37% that they chose a candidate that would end the war. That candidate was Ron Paul. I live in Florida and knew the Collier brothers who wrote a book called “Vote Scam”. I am certain that our election was rigged. To prove this we should have gone door to door, not count the tampered ballots. The destruction of Ron Paul’s campaign was orchestrated at the highest level of government and by the controlling power of the elite. The media is the lap dog of the destroyers of the country. The power of Ron Paul’s message of freedom was overwhelming and he won every debate poll. The media used every tool in their bag of propaganda and disinformation tricks to marginalize and disparage him. Had Ron Paul succeeded in winning New Hampshire that momentum would have propelled him to a national win. Too bad for America that the game was not played fairly. If the destroyers of this country think we are ready to quit, think again. My son and his group are about to dislodge the old guard of the Republican party in Florida and the Ron Paul Republicans are taking over! All over the country this is happening. The message of freedom is a strong one. Ron Paul is going to the universities and educating young Americans. They will be a powerful force to reckon with. Freedom is not free and we are willing to pay for it. It is worth the fight. We will take this country back!

It’s a shame Americans have become so duped by our government and their media puppets. They trash the Constitution, they’re trashing the middle class, jobs are leaving, banks are insolvent, stocks are not worth the paper their printed on, unless a bigger fool comes along to buy it…..and we’ve boiled our 2 choices down to Obama and McCain?
More status quo? And a “once in a lifetime” guy comes along like Ron Paul, and the media manipulated machines want to ridicule “him”. I wonder why?
“When you gonna wake up, and strengthen the things that remain” – Bob Dylan

Brian – I too was not 100% on the gold standard idea, but just about everything else Ron Paul said was 100% correct. He was correct on foreign policy, overspending, civil liberties, ethics, and just about everything else. Paul would recieve my vote, no contest.

Just another “whacko” RP supporter here. I exist, and I voted.

Brian – Yep, I was so impressed by Paul’s honesty I ran for delegate in NM. Never been interested in politics before. Got county delegate, but registered as a republican too late for state delegate.

If you go on welfare you should have to suspend you right to vote. Once you earn a living on your own, you’re re-instated. All these promises the politician makes involving more perks for those on the the government teet. Why work? All these bleeding hearts get elected promising more and more of the working peoples money to programs supporting the lazy. Let those that work keep their money and be allowed to vote for elected officials. Everyone else,..suck an egg.

I’d rather it be 1910 than 1984.

Aristotle claimed that a democracy was the very worst form of government because you would have a system of mob rule that would put the minority at the whim of the majority. Many ignorant people in that last century “democratically” elected despots. We are a Constitutional Republic that has placed our fundamental rights beyond the reach of a simple majority. The Bill of Rights has never been amended since this country began. Yet every one of our essential liberties have been incrementally destroyed. Take for instance the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Second Amendment. It is an outrage that four Justices of the Supreme Court have the audacity to think that the right to bare arms is not an individual right. The five remaining justices did not get it right either, by believing that restrictions on ownership are proper. We as American should demand that if they have no better understanding of the concepts of liberty embodied in our Constitution that they have no business sitting on the bench in the highest court in this land. The Second Amendment represents the balance of power between the people and the state. The government should never have the exclusive use of force. Unarmed people are subject to the tyranny of the state. Anyone who believes a democracy is a nobel form of government missed their history lesson. By the way Aristotle thought that the government that could produce the most justice would be a benevolent dictatorship, but then questioned the corrupting ability of power has over leaders. In the end we have the best form of government, but we have allowed our politicians to ignore the Supreme law of the land our Constitution. Ron Paul has had to fight this fight on his own for many years, now he has an army. We will see you in St. Paul.

The two major parties are the ones who are nuts, power-hungry lunatics who have created the mother of all mortgage fiascos, our mind-boggling national debt. Our nations epitaph will read “Here lies the remains of the Red and Blue States of America”.

Who to vote for now? Write in Paul, Barr or someone else?

Esher, perhaps you’d like to educate all of the world’s economists for the past say, 70 years on why the gold standard is so much better. Do you even take into consideration how the gold standard would accommodate fluctuations in the supply and demand of gold, economic growth, or the fact that the entire world’s supply of gold is only worth about 20% of the value of this nation’s economy? Why did the Great Depression happen when the entire world was on the Gold Standard, and why hasn’t a similar event happened in the 70 years since it was dropped?
Take a look at the inflation-adjused price of gold over the last 30 years. You might be surprised.

Jason – Birch who? Just saying it as I see it. Our foreign policy is in the crappper, and we are in debt up to our eyeballs. Don’t need to copy paste that. It is obvious.

1910, 1950 – why do apologists for big government believe that the desire for freedom is contingent on a particular place or time? Did something magical happen after 1960 where living in society necessitates a 50% (and growing) tax rate?

One problem with the gold standard is that the value is volatile. We’d have the prospect not only of inflation, but of deflation as well.
Another problem is that a gold standard would give other countries a little more power over the value of our currency than we’d like. The U.S is not in charge of all the world’s gold. While there could be an argument that other countries could just sell off the dollar, I believe a gold standard would give us less of a chance to maintain stability.

Brian – What you write makes some sense. Thanks.

Bush started the war in Irak, McCain was the Cheerleader, and Obama the funder (Obama voted with his heart and his soul $300 billion to kill and destroy in Iraq and the middle East). Guess wich one supports peace? None of those ugly statesmen! Only Ron Paul voted consistently against the madness of war.
The United Nations, and those who support that socialo-fascist organization, murdered 300,000 Iraqi children by starving them to death under the United Nations embargo “Oil for Food” program. Next, they let Bush, McCain and Obama start, run and fund that war. As a true United Nation program, corruption was rabid. Only Ron Paul will take the US out of the shameful United Nations. There is no human progress under the United Nations
Ron Paul for President!

Bottom line -> Ron Paul is correct on foreign policy and domestic spending. Maybe not everybody agrees with him verbatim, but on these two issues, he is correct, and no other candidate is.

I see many arguments against the gold standard, is there another alternative?
As I read it there is a direct relationship between the national debt and the amount of currency is circulation.
The Fed can control the supply of dollars by forcing banks to either buy back dollars or sell bonds, but there is nothing tangible behind those dollars.
Not only that but as the law of supply and demand dictates, as the supply goes up the value goes down.
I’ve seen lucid arguments against the gold standard, any other ideas?
Because the status quo stinks.

john – I don’t know enough about economics to say whether the gold standard is a good idea. Maybe having a competing currency would bear fruit. It would at least be interesting to see the results of such an undertaking. What I do know is spending money that you don’t have and fighting wars funded by foreign entities is suicidal. In that respect Ron Paul is the best choice for president by far.

Kyle, you, like many others, are judging Paul by his supporters, when you should be looking at him, or better, his voting history.
The FED was established in 1913, and so was the 16th Amendment, which supposedly makes income tax constitutional. Where is the 50 years Kyle speaks of?
Our political system is like a restaurant that tells you what you’re having, how much it will cost, and that you will face armed resistance if you try to leave without eating and paying. Except you get to choose the color of the uniform of the armed guard, by voting. And of course, your choices are limited to green or khaki.
It has been said that everyone is a libertarian about something. Democrats are generally libertarian about social issues, while Republicans are generally libertarian about fiscal issues. The other side of that coin is that Democrats are more willing to use government force to intervene in financial matters, while Republicans are more willing to use the same government power to control people’s personal lives. Throw in a little fear, create a demand for bipartisanship so government can get something done, and suddenly both sides get to wield government power for their pet interventions, and government grows. The result is that the price of living freely is raised. The masses live under the new law, while the elite can afford to either break the law, or travel to where it doesn’t apply. With a good enough lawyer or political crony, it doesn’t apply anywhere.
Do DC laws eliminate crime, or merely price it so that only the elite can afford to get away with crime? If there is no victim, is there a crime? If you can answer these questions, you can properly appreciate Ron Paul’s political history and voting record. If you like power and the use of force to create justice, ask yourself if your life would be improved by installing an armed policeman or soldier in your living room.

Must we keep telling these people about this document called the constitution!!?OK, here it is for the slow ones…
The U.S. Constitution, Art. I Sec. 10 Cl. 1, states, in part:
No State shall … coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; …
Despite what Obama says, we dont live in a democracy! Our founding fathers spit in the face of democracy!!
Democracy is 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting on whats for dinner. A Constitutional Republic is when you arm the sheep. -Thomas Jefferson

Now, I really don’t understand why some of us Paulians are called ‘conspiracy theorists’. It isn’t a theory if it can be proved. Sadly though, some of us take it to an extreme, but it doesn’t mean they’re wrong.
Is it just a coincidence that the Rockefellers purchased the land on which the UN building was built. David Rockefeller even said that he was guilty of this in 2002. “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global, political, and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
How are we crazy? They are linked to the FED, the income tax, and the UN. Read the communist manifesto points and tell me that the u.s. is not going down that road.

Make sure you go to the Ron Paul Convention ABC. It will be a blast!

Quote from Ron Paul websight; “All Truth passes through 3 stages: First, it is Ridiculed… Second, it is Violently Opposed… Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer (1778-1860) …..P.S. I can just picture Rudy Mussolini and McCain making cute little noises while Ron Paul was trying to enlighten these idiots at the debates. I’d rather vote for Mickey Mouse than those two.

Hey Bookum…..even my kids Junior High civics book says that “a medium of exchange (money) must have a STORE OF VALUE. Maybe the idiots that are printing trillions in paper and making the U.S.D. worthless, and consequently causing us to pony up $150 per bbl of oil, just must have missed that part of their education. Maybe you skipped school that day too. We all know what George Bush was doing…..Hic!

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=213
This is the death knell for the status quo
neo-con republicans. Join us if you want real change.

It is interesting how Paul supporters support their candidate in the blogs with compassionate and sensible discourse while the Obama, Hillary, and McCain supporters copy and paste unmeaningful diatribes. Just and observation.

Sue, that’s because Ron Paul supporters think for themselves and do research for themselves, while many of those who support the mainstream candidates do so based upon sound bites, opinion and outright lies.

A tax on labor is slavery. The income tax makes us into 30% slaves. The income tax is immoral and contrary to everything the United States of America was founded on. Remember the Boston Tea Party!
Just because a mob says we must participate in their forced slavery does not make it right. Taking money from one person and giving to another at the point of a gun is thievery. The 16th amendment is legalized thievery and forced slave labor.
How will the Federal Gov pay for all it’s programs? Well the Federal branch of government is not authorized to be running 90% of those programs. It’s madness that the folks in Washington D.C. have brainwashed us to think otherwise. They have convinced us to be their willing slaves. The Founding Fathers would be disgusted.
God bless Ron Paul for waking up America.

to campaignforfreedom.com:
You would get one once of gold!
Congrats!

oops – that should have been “ounce”…
you get one ounce of gold.
my bad.

Kyle, the FEDERAL income tax started in 1913. Ron Paul is NOT talking about getting rid of state and/or local income taxes, just the FEDERAL income tax. Get your facts straight!

Kyle, income tax was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1895. So yes it did exist prior but it was acknowledged a criminal and illegal.
There was a time when most nations believed in slavery. Does that make it right? Of course not. Just because other nations support immoral slave taxes doesn’t make it right. America was supposed to be different.
Contrary to popular belief the United States is not and should not be the policeman of the world. It is not our job to tell other nations how to live. If we would have minded our own business then we wouldn’t have 90% of the world pissed off at us.
If you personally want to start your own NGO to stick your nose into other countries business well go ahead. Just don’t force me to pay for it. If it’s a good cause then you will get lots of voluntary support for your organization’s cause and that is fine but don’t force me to participate and pay for it if I don’t want to.

There will come a time in the near future when ordinary people will look back on the 2008 elections and realize that the biggest mistake of their lives was not voting for Ron Paul.

Kyle, please provide links to the statements you say that Ron Paul made. I’ve read Dr. Paul’s positions for many months now and what you say is simply not true. Please prove me wrong.

Correction: Kyle, not Justice, wrote that.
My apologies Justice !!!

Get to work everyone!

From some of the contents here it is apparent that America will still continue to suffer from the “low information voters”, who are still numerous enough to use their misinformed votes to elect the charlatan’s and others of low character that have mismanaged America down to it’s present state of failing economy and fading influence on the world stage. Most of the folks here know the truth and recognize reality for what it is, but only because an article on Ron Paul attracts those who have chosen to become informed on the topic of American civics. The beauty contest between McCain and Obama is just going to result in a continuance of illegal and immoral policies, which hurts American citizens and puts America’s future at peril.

“Kyle, income tax was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1895. So yes it did exist prior but it was acknowledged a criminal and illegal.”
Do you even know WHY it was deemed unconstitutional? It had nothing to do with a tax on income being inherently illegal/immoral. It had to do with the way in which it was levied (being apportioned with regard to a state’s population). The 16th Amendment removed that stipulation, which made the income tax more fair.

We should thank Kyle for the opportunities to correct him. Ron Paul is a thinking man’s candidate. Plus you got to love the candidate that packs his own sack lunch for work, gives part of his salary back to the treasury, turns down the congressional pension, and doesn’t take money from special interests. The last one alone is so powerful a reason to vote for this man. I don’t know of other candidates that share this integrity.

Why does Ron Paul need money from special interests? He still has most of the $35 million he’s raised from his worshippers, and he has no opposition for his Congressional seat.

(In response to Kyle july 22 08)
Kyle: “Only Congresman to vote against the Darfur bill? Check.”
You offer this as support against him? I see it as yet another example of sticking to his guns (figuratively speaking) even when doing so is unpopular becauses the masses see only the short term. He has consistently voted to bring our troops home (from all of the many countries we are spread out in) not dedicate us to committing troops to yet another conflict half a world away. What is happening there is terrible, but we are not and should not be the world police.
Kyle: “[only vote against] the bill condemning Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel? Check. The bill urging an end to China’s crackdown on Tibet? Check.”
Same idea in these two, he is being consistent in his approach to foreign policy that we should not make it our foreign policy to get ourselves involved in every little thing going on around the world, most of which is really none of our business, be it good or bad.
Kyle: “[Only vote against] the bill to express sympathy to victims of a recent cyclone? Check.”
This shows me you have one of the most common misconceptions I see commonly held about the government. We don’t need the govt to express the sympathy of the people toward an event, let people do it themselves if they want! For a far better discourse on the subject see http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html
Kyle: “The first income tax was passed in 1861. Do the math. Ron Paul himself has stated that we had no income tax until 1913.”
See reply above by “Richard | Jul 22, 2008 1:23:20 PM” — he covered this pretty well. Since you reply to him in the next paragraph it seems you already did read that reply, but really I didn’t see you refute anything he said…
Kyle: “And Richard – 30%? How much do you make? I make over $50k a year and all of my taxes – state, local and federal – total just over 22% of my income.”
According to the group “amerticans for tax reform” (atr.org) who have parsed the publically-available numbers in quite a bit of detail (feel free to double check), the official “cost of govt day” was July 16 this year, meaning the average american sends significantly over half his income to the government. If you’re getting away with just 22% that’s pretty amazing.
Kyle: “And income tax is not illegal or immoral.”
To say something is or isn’t moral is very much to state an opinion, not a fact, despite how you seem to be arguing. In my opinion it is immoral, because as has been stated before I have no choice in the matter of giving up my money (if I don’t I get punished) and where it goes is likewise completely out of my hands. Were it a small amount I could justify it as necessary, but at present there are far too many things the govt spends my money on that I don’t agree with to the point it becomes immoral. By supporting advocates for change like Paul I am working to forward my opinion, not just complaining.
Kyle: “I challenge you to find one successful modern nation without taxation.”
So I suppose you’re saying the modern world is perfect then? Every good system that could exist must already be in use somewhere that we could point to it as an example? I tend to disagree.

I have to say, it is surprising that this thread stayed up. After all it is on the ABC site. Thanks ABC.
Its also nice to see so many people waking up and showing up. Our numbers are only going to grow and pretty soon, the criminals won’t have many supporters left. Nobody to enable them to commit their crimes penalty free.
The one interesting thing I notice in this day and age is this:
Not everyone has the same information.
And if they have the same info, they understand it in a completely different way.
So just getting the info out there isn’t the only thing we have to do. We also have to make sure it is translated into each persons language of choice. Even if that language IS English.
If you say the same English word to 10 different English speaking people and ask what it means, you will most likely get 10 different answers. Some might be similar but almost never the same.
So it should NOT be surprising when other people “just don’t get it”. They actually do get it, but just in their language, even if that language IS English.
And of course there are those people who are still way behind in their studies, but they are dying to make comments on boards such as this. Thanks for caring and I hope you get the chance to read more and to experience more. Your help will truly be needed.
And finally there are those that get a kick out of working for the dark side. All I can say to them is good luck with that then.
At the end of the day the agenda is as follows.
One World Government, One World Army, One World Currency, One World Religion and a Micro Chipped Population that is a cinch to control.
And guess who gets to run this Utopia?
The same old criminal bloodline family that has been running it since the start.
And we all know who they are don’t we?
Enjoy!

1.5 billion dollars a day to pay for interest on our external debt. Yikes!

Ben Straub
Actually China would be smart enough to stay out of world policing. Their policy is to appear as friends to all while staying out of the internal politics of other nations. Sounds familiar doesn’t it. China is ruled by a bunch of engineers. The US is ruled by lawyers. Just different approaches I guess.

Brian – I believe that if 3rd parties get substantial votes, great things in DC could come about. If a 3rd party candidate won, it would change things.

Brian – You argue it from a sovereignty standpoint. I have learned a few things from Paul supporters concerning these groups. Much of which is alarming if true. I became interested in Paul because of foreign policy, special interest money in DC, and government spending. I always hope the truth will come out. Hopefully it will on these corruptions that you state.

“It’s so cute. You Ron Paul supporters think it’s still 1910.” – by “anonymoose” (arent the enemies of liberty usually anonymous?)
“I’d rather it be 1910 than 1984.” – Chris
Owned. Good job, Chris! That was awesome.
I voted for Ron Paul, too. Any other choice just wouldnt be American (or educated for that matter).
Hank

A response to: “Supporters have been encouraged to exploit state delegate rules to get appointed to, infiltrate and make themselves known at the national convention”
Byron Wolf, that is complete crap and you know it. Its too bad, because you were assigned to Dr. Paul and you should know his views on keeping our movement peaceful and legal better than any other reporter. Irritated that you didn’t get assigned to someone else? Just come out and say it, but don’t make up crap about Paul encouraging the exploitation of GOP conventions.
How about doing a story about the Nevada GOP closing their convention because they realized that Paul had an incredable showing in Nevada and was getting a large number of delegates. Do a story on the lawsuit that has resulted from this. Do a story about Nevada McCain supporters coming to Paul’s side because of the illegal actions of the state GOP.
Or maybe you should go back to college and learn about journalism….

Hi Ben,
I believe in personal sovereignty as well as personal accountability.
The truth is coming out…..but it has also been out since the very beginning. People today are more interested in learning than they have ever been in the past.
Knowledge is power, but of course ignorance is bliss.
Sometimes it is painful to know and that is why most people don’t want to hear about it, whatever “it” may be.
And that is how they control us. Through ignorance and fear.
If we stop being ignorant or fearful, they will immediately lose control and this sick game will be over.

This article is crap. I will continue to donate to his PAC, and support Campaign for Libery.com. I will also continue to read anything Dr. Paul, Misies.org, and Lew Rockwell put out on their sites, and whatever books come out on their reading lists. We Pauler’s are the real deal. Live free or die. Republic, Constitution, inalienable rights, enforce the rule of law, down with inflation and Liberty forever!

Hey Kyle,
LOL……this is a funny post:
Wow, right on cue, the conspiracy nutjobs (Brian, Bob, etc) are showing up with their paranoid ravings about the CFR/Bilderbergers/Trilateral Commission/NWO/NAU/Illuminati/Reptilian/Freemason/Joos conspiracy nonsense. You guys have fun chasing solutions to imaginary problems. The rest of us are more concerned with things that are actually real.
So you are saying NONE of these are real?
You are saying all of these things are imaginary?
ROTFLMAO!
You see everyone, this is what I am talking about. Ignorance is the main problem we have. Ignorance of the past and ignorance of the present as well as the future.
Of course Kyle could be working for the dark side. Almost every single forum is rife with shills.
Thanks for coming out to cheer lead Kyle

To Jason,
We are NOT a democracy we are a republic. Read the Constitution before you open your ignorant mouth.

To Royce:
You say you “would vote for him except for one thing. He always appears to be in a frustrated panic.” And “Paul seem like an intelligent honorable man. His frustrated panic scares me.” Paul often came across that way because the media gave him so little time to get his points across. Take a look at the MTV candidate debate from February or the Larry king unaired interview the night before the Iowa caucus, or the Google interview, or even Tim Russerts attempted take down on Meet the Press, or Glen Beck’s interviews when Dr. Paul is allowed to speak in an unhurried, non frenzied manner. He makes the most sense out there. He has been very gallant regarding the limited, unfair and biased media exposure he has received. He is a statesman, a scholar, a veteran, a medical doctor, and a gentleman and by far the one man who has the experience, knowledge and leadership skills necessary to lead us back to our republican roots and what the founders intended: non-interventionism, friends and trade with all, limited government, etc.
Go Ron!
campaignforliberty.com
Join us.

“Wow, right on cue, the conspiracy nutjobs (Brian, Bob, etc) are showing up with their paranoid ravings about the CFR/Bilderbergers/Trilateral Commission/NWO/NAU/Illuminati/Reptilian/Freemason/Joos conspiracy nonsense. You guys have fun chasing solutions to imaginary problems. The rest of us are more concerned with things that are actually real.”
Is just code for:
“Those paulistanians are making too much sense! Better attack the bun and ignore the meat, tomatoes, pickles, etc…”

Kyle – I do not bye into the 911 conspiracy, and the sovereignty groups are something that I am not up to date on. What I do know is that Paul’s mainstream stances on less government, fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, and sensible foreign policy resonate with me.

AmericanCitizen…
I completely agree!

“Sure thing, pal. I don’t know why Paul supporters all seem to have the bad habit of assuming that anyone who doesn’t advocate isolationism/non-interventionism MUST support the status quo 100%.”
Well how about you tell us of an option where it doesn’t cost any of us who don’t want to participate any money. Yup, Kyle some people like being told what you can and can’t do. Some don’t. I imagine you must know nobody capable of a profound thought. Lost somewhere in your Allegory of the Cave. Personally, I’ll decide what I care about. I’ll decide what I think should be done about something, and I’d really enjoy no one else dictating how I apply my money to those ideas.
You seem to think that nothing would get done under a system like that. I can assure you plenty would get done. You just wouldn’t be able to tell me how to go about spending my money. Isn’t that what it really is? You fear a world where people run their own lives. Why is that? What is it about control by a few you desire so much?
You say the UN has stabalized the world. Nope. Our demonstration at Hiroshima did that. The UN certainly did not stop us from starting an invasionary war. I like how you believe that just because something exists it must be the reason for the season.
I’d rather die on my feet then live on my knees. But i guess that’s where we differ.

Kyle – If you see the mainstream ideas that I listed, you will see that gold standard is not one of them. Come on man read.

Kyle – Our interventions actually do more harm than good. We are viewed as militaristic warmongers in much of the world. We do not understand how things work over in other parts of the world. Why are we so hated? You keep thinking that our policies are for the good of all the world. In my opinion, you are seriously misguided.

Kyle said “Oh cool. Is that like when we had individual state currencies under the AoC?”
Actually, it’s like gold under the Constitution. Ron Paul is in favor of legalizing gold as an alternative and concurrent currency to the Federal Reserve dollar. The would provide an alternative for those who choose to use it and don’t like seeing their money vanish to printing press inflation.
Currently using gold as an alternative currency is ironically illegal. Ron Paul wants to make it legal. This will help the poor and old age people on fixed incomes who are currently bearing the burden of our corrupt federal reserve system.
Legalizing gold as a concurrent currency will also help encourage the Fed Reserve to stop abusing their power. Competition forces monopolies to stop abusing their power.

It must be repeatedly pointed out to those who get all misty-eyed at the mention of the word “democracy,” that in reality democracy is simply two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for dinner!
Our economic and political environment of desperate pressure groups and lobbies battling each other over control of the dinner carving knife (legislation) confirms this fact. Everyone wants to be the wolves. No one, of course, wants to be the lamb. Those who are the wolves today could be outvoted and become tomorrow’s lamb.
A state of legalized civil war is the inevitable fate of a society organized along the principle of nothing being forbidden to majority rule.

Former Comptroller General of the United States, David Walker calculated that by 2040, the federal budget would be consumed by Social Security, Medicare, and interest on the National Debt. What is YOUR favorite candidate saying about this? Note that balancing the budget will not solve the problem, according to Mr. Walker.

Kyle – I of course respectfully disagree. I think our foreign policy needs to be drastically changed. Who are you supporting? Just curious.

One of the few political blogs without the long copy paste nonsense.

Kyle – Thanks for the response. I believe Obama will take this one without much problem. The troops also gave Paul and Obama the most donations which tells me something. I think the troops hold to a more reasonable foreign policy. One that doesn’t get them killed for no reason, and one that keeps the treasury from going dry. Thanks for making things in here interesting even if we don’t agree verbatim.

Have you all seen the post by Max? What a typical American moron. He is ashamed that so many of us support Ron Paul because Ron Paul does not like a Democracy and that he wants to get rid of the IRS.
Well Max, you just stuck your foot past your adams apple. If you would have ever taken the time to read the rule book of this country called the Constitution you would see that it states that our form of government is a Constitutional Republic.
As for the IRS, you probably were not aware that the income tax came into being the very same year as the Federal Reserve, in 1913. Guess what Mr know it all Max, the Federal Reserve is not Federal. It is a privately owned company with 12 member banks.
But don’t feel too bad Max, 95% of Americans are as ignorant as you and the other 5% voted to put Ron Paul on the ballot. Americans really screwed up this time by not voting for him. Max, watch the online videos Fiat Empire, Overview of America and America Freedom to Fascism, then you won’t look like such a fool when you blog about politics. Peace and enlightenment be with you.

Awful article! Way to go ABC.
Everyone laughs at us now. Wait until things go down the toilet. When Obama can’t follow through on his smooth talking promises and America gets further and further into debt. Then who will you turn to? US. “The freedom lovers” And you know what? We will take you in with open arms.
“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” – Mark Twain

“Who is John Galt?”

Kyle, trading gold coins in private transactions at market value for goods or services as an alternative to currency is seriously illegal at this time according to the U.S. Mint.
Part of the problem is that you would be required to pay capital gains tax on every transaction. And if multiple people started using your system then you would be convicted of conspiring to undermine the US currency as happened with the liberty dollar. Using gold as currency is ironically illegal at this time, even in private transactions.

Dr. Ron Paul is a scholar of “Austrian” economics and has known for some time that without a major change of spending policies in government, this country is about to head over an economic cliff. He has been sounding the alarm for years with solid reasoning. Economists know he’s right; Jim Rogers, Peter Schiff, John Williams (just to name a few). For someone to be as courageous to take on the task of re-educating Americans on what we need to do is highly respectable. He has a keen forsight to understand the consequences of decisions being made today. I believe his relative calmness in these troubling times is due to his ability to reason these things out before they occur. Such a stalwart intelligent person is what we need as our leader at a time such as this. He has already earned the respect of the world. Such honesty and integrity in Washington is rare today.

Russ says: “We need mandatory military service the wasy Israel does, and no citizen shall hold a public offie that does not vote or serve.”
I actually agree with all the other things you said but as far as mandatory military service, it goes against freedom.

I’m a 45 year old Republican who has grown utterly disgusted with what the Republican Party has become, especially in the last 8 years.
Ron Paul has given me faith that the Republican Party can become fiscally conservative again if we work hard enough.
There is no chance that I’ll vote for a guy like John McCain though- he’s another big government neocon like George W. Bush.

I for one plan to be in MN. I have no interest in anything McCain. I am a lifelong republican, no longer.

Ron Paul was truly the only candidate this election cycle that had principles. The others, including McCain and Obama base their political philosophy off of empty party rhetoric.

You know……if the government is so willing to either borrow money from another nation or inflate the money supply to pass out a stimulas package check (basically a welfare check) to stimulate the economy (which most likely already got spent on gas), then why couldn’t the government end the income tax (or at least a moratorium) to allow our money to be spent at home to stimulate the economy?

Thank you David Robertson from Inverness, Scotland. I often read your posts on the Campaign for Liberty website! Always love to have friends across the ocean!

I get appalled by people who claim that the constitution is ‘outdated’ or ‘just a god da** piece of paper’!
Tyranny and oppression is the same, no matter if you’re talking today or during Genghis Khan’s days.

Go Ron Paul! This nation needs you now more than ever.

AmericanCitizen
Right on!

Jane: Thanks for the nod. I had noticed your posts here also were balanced and thoughtful. That is the only way to reach the undecided (most of the People).
“What is stopping you from converting all of your liquid assets to gold and using that in your day-to-day transactions?”
Someone above mentioned the capital gains tax and that is one major drawback today. The other is that the FRN is legal tender and Gresham’s Law applies: “Bad money drives out good”. So what you will get, if you leave the FRN as legal tender, is hoarding of the true store of value, i.e. gold. All legal tender laws must be repealed and currencies, gold, silver, paper, allowed to compete on a level field. The issue is not which currency you would choose to spend. It is which currency merchants would be prepared to accept in payment. No prizes for a correct answer.
Dr. Paul is only too well aware of the degradation of his nations polity. He knows it will take careful steps to return her People to an understanding of their birthright. The more one listens to his speeches the more clearly one hears his philosophy. As he said, he is not perfect, but compared with the other choices available, he stands head and shoulders above them all. The only candidate who is comparable in my opinion is Chuck Baldwin. I just have questions on his tariffs policy. Bob Barr is too close to the Establishment and would likely compromise at the drop of a hat. He also favours the Fair Tax which incidentally was proposed, some years ago, by John Linder, the Congressman for the 7th. district in Georgia, not Mike Huckabee. Linder wrote a book on the subject with Neil Boortz. This tax is completely open ended and could climb to 100% of the cost of goods and services. It is susceptible to fraud and could be used to increase the power of the Federal Government beyond even its current status. No true libertarian can support this tax. Ergo, Bob Barr is not a true libertarian and I am surprised he was chosen as their nominee.

“I recently got $200 from an ATM. One of the twenties was different than the others. It was dated 1936 and said I could redeem the bill for lawful money at any Federal Reserve Bank. What is “lawful money?” Is this some kind of counterfeit bill? If so, why would it be made so obviously different? I am curious, though, about “lawful money.” What would I get if I took it to a Federal Reserve Bank in 1936?”
-Doug
Doug, Do not spend that! It is worth more than $20. That dollar was redeemable in silver until In March 1964, Secretary of the Treasury C. Douglas Dillon halted redemption of Silver Certificates for Silver Dollars.
A silver $1 note from 1935 is going on ebay right now for $40, and a silver $5 note from 1953 is going for $25 from a website I found. I dont know how much your $20 silver note is worth but it’s more than $20 federal reserve dollars!

Chuckorduck: Not all “Christians” have the same principles. The predominant controlling doctrines in the evangelical Christian Church today are:
1. The doctrine of eternal punishment for unbelievers which can only be avoided by “accepting” salvation through Jesus Christ.
2. The doctrine of Man’s free will (which dovetails neatly with no. 1)
3. The centrality of the State of Israel as God’s Chosen People who will be saved from destruction by the return of Jesus Christ and surrender at that time to Him; the Rapture of the believing Church before or in the middle of or at the end of a Great Tribulation, and the ascendancy of the Antichrist as a world ruler.
Taken together these doctrines are the “strong delusion” that God promised to send upon His people because the refused to believe the Truth. They are all born out of the carnal imaginations of men, the true Enemy of God
The political consequences of these doctrines is support for the actions of the warmongers, particularly in the Middle East (including my own government here in Britain). This is why most of them will never support Ron Paul who teaches and practises different principles based upon the teachings of Jesus Christ.
The spiritual consequence of the departure of the Christian Church from the teaching of the apostles, as commanded by the risen Messiah, before His Ascension, has been the taking into captivity of the entire world to Mystery (Secret) Babylon, the international banking system, centred on the Washington/New York/London/Jerusalem axis.
The foundations of this Empire of Babylon cracked last August and she is now being brought to an end by the Judge of the Universe in the flames of His fiery Law. “Whatsoever a man sows that MUST he also reap.”
Ron Paul whose name means “humble ruler” is being used once again by God as a sign to the People of America, and to the Christians of America, in what I believe is a final opportunity to repent of departing from their covenant with Him. If you read the book of Jeremiah dealing with the condition of ancient Judah before their Babylonian captivity you will see that these teachings are given to us as an example or type, for our admonition, which is being played out in the lives of our nations today. In particular notice that the prophet’s warning to the nation of Judah was that their nation, city (Jerusalem) and temple would be destroyed, NEVER to be repaired again. This has happened twice in history and on each occasion Jerusalem has been rebuilt and the nation has returned. The latest return was in 1948 when the State of Israel was established. They are planning to rebuild the temple and they may or may not be permitted to complete this. The final conclusion however is that the Word of Yahweh/Yahshua will not return to Him void.

Are you paying attention, MSM? There is no hope of changing the minds of any Ron Paul supporters. They and I agree on one thing however: you haven’t given him enough attention! Our reasons are different of course.
Still if you report on Ron Paul, I hope you will consider these important issues: 1) democracy vs. republic; 2) UN; 3) Christian connections.

As a result of Ron Paul’s campaign, we are awakened to the need for limited constitutional government, elimination of forced labor through federal income taxes, free markets, non-intervention abroad, and a sound monetary system. I am 70 years of age,and I have a vote! Commercial media can no longer control or distort the TRUTH. Viva the Internet! I support Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty.

Kyle said:
“Esher, perhaps you’d like to educate all of the world’s economists for the past say, 70 years on why the gold standard is so much better. Do you even take into consideration how the gold standard would accommodate fluctuations in the supply and demand of gold, economic growth, or the fact that the entire world’s supply of gold is only worth about 20% of the value of this nation’s economy? Why did the Great Depression happen when the entire world was on the Gold Standard, and why hasn’t a similar event happened in the 70 years since it was dropped?
Take a look at the inflation-adjused price of gold over the last 30 years. You might be surprised.”
Posted by: Kyle | Jul 22, 2008 12:15:38 PM
The Great Depression was caused chiefly by the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913. The 1929 Crash was the child of The Federal Reserve through its credit expansion of the 1920″s. Even Bernanke has admitted the Fed was at fault and he is supposed to be an expert.
They created onditions for a speculative boom in order to avoid recession instead of allowing nature to take its course after the war and expansion to make the recessionary correction. in other words it interfered just as today the Fed continually tries to micro manage and makes things worse.
The Hoover interventionist policies and Smoot-Hawley also contributed in the thirties to the recession.
By 1933-34 the depression deepened and FDR can be held accountable for that as he blasted “capitalists” and “hoarders”. He illegally, unconstitutionally closed banks, confiscated gold, and within six months began devaluing the currency by 69 percent. Unprecendented behavior.
Acounting fraud which did not adjust for devaluation on the heels of his New Deal programs like TVA and NRA made it appear that there was a big boost in the GDP. None of the charts and numbers of his administration accounted for inflation. Government spending on these programs accounted for the increase in GDP as measured then. Without the “New Deal” programs the GDP actually decreased greatly, as expected with socialist/fascist wage and price controls.
By 1938 New Deal had failed with unemployment at 14.3 percent in 1937 and 19 perent in 1938. This was just mainly adult men as women and women’s lib had not yet entered the employment picture on a wide scale, such as today.
This is mostly paraphrased from a source I ran across, but do not recall.
Today, the government continues to manipulate the way our economy and money are measured. For example, they no longer include energy and food-two of the largest expenses- in the measure of inflation. Unemployment figures are skewed by the fact that when unemployment compensation stops those people are no longer counted as unemployed. Double those figures you see might be close to the real measurement.
The PPT/PWG is constantly interfering in the market. And they are running out of band-aids. After nearly a century of interfering they simply can no longer keep propping up the market and since they refuse to allow any big business to fail on its own, but continue to bail them out and devalue our currency, the situation can only deteriorate and all Americans who have not put some solid commodity like gold or silver or diamonds away for protection of their wealth will pay the price.
Unfortunately, it is a planned series of events. They know exactly what they are doing just as they always have known exactly what they were doing.
Bailouts now are straining the Fed’s reserves as they trnasfer the wealth to the private bankers and we are going to be left holding the debt. Private property will cease to exist for Americans as we become renters and the bankers own it all.

I think “most” of Ron Paul’s supporters can agree that there where times through history when the need for a reconstruction of monetary policy was necessary. For instance in 1944, this policy helped the Allies win WW2. Thereafter until 1944 was at least backed by a “fixed price”. However, after 1971 it was not backed by any fixed pricing ie…gold. The U.S. gave up on its obligation to back its currency and began to “float” it. Now the overextension of Government currently used to provide and conquer, has no means to an end. It was never intended to become what it is today.

Max, you are obviosly very ignorant and lacking serious amouonts of knowledge, don’t worry it’s a very common thing that comes from people who oppose Ron Paul it’s called Anti-Paul Retardation or it’s very smart, evil rich people who don’t want to loose control, none the less, the United States is not a democracy it is a republic. I’de say your on the anti-paul retardation side.
Next what do you even realy know about the UN beside what the tv box tells you. And why would want to keep the IRS, you relize that they take your money, baffles me. Please read something at all before you spew out such irritating non sense.

To Max – and to Brian who replied to Max:
The US is not a democracy. It never was, it has always been a republic. It uses democratic voting on some issues, but most important is the rule of law.
The difference between democracy and a republic is the rule of the majority vs. the rule of law.
The value of this is to prevent mobs to get emotional and do the wrong thing. That’s why we don’t lynch, and we have courts. Including putting the burden of proof on the prosecutor, not the defendant.
With the power of marketing (a real psychological science today) as many here have mentioned, it is more important than ever to stick to the rule of law. Look how many supported the war in Iraq, then everyone changed their minds later. There are laws in place that would have prevented the war from ever starting.

sorry , i was being inaccurate, there are MANY in the battle to get our country back on the right track, but i havent seen many so accurate or as vocal as Ron Paul. He actually stands up on tv and before congress and paints the most clear and knowlegeable picture of why we are in the mess we are in, you would think leaders would be grateful but the lack of wisdom and honesty and goodness in our capitol make me fear the worst for our nation..

I was wanting to reply to Max’s comment too… but it appears the gentleman above has said it as well as anyone. I second Marc’s comment. Long live the Republic!

Money by Fiat, or government decreed with legal tender laws enforcing its exchange in the economy through the mandatory payment of taxes in Fiat Currency. According to Federal Reserve publications, the government mandates the collection of taxes in Federal Reserve Notes to help enforce the use of Federal Reserve Notes. It goes on to state that there are only three reasons for income taxes, gift taxes and estate taxes: 1. To mandate the use of Fiat Currency. 2. To redistribute the wealth. 3. To maintain a degree of control over society. You notice that revenues are not mentioned in list for the requirement of taxation by this government, the reason for that is under a Fiat Monetary System taxes are not needed to raise revenues.
Now, to the heart of the Fiat Monetary System: Central Banks create money through debt, contrary to specie money, fiat is created by the act of borrowing. Every single Federal Reserve Note [physical or digital] must be “borrowed” into existence and therefore all “liquidity” in the markets are simply debt. In a very real sense, every Federal Reserve Fiat Note is a legal notification of a debt, in other words it is simply little more than an I.O.U. Currently, the world is in a mass delusion and that delusion is that credit is wealth, when in fact, credit is nothing more than debt by a different name and debt will always demand payment.
Fiat Monetary Systems allow for a massive distortion in economic priorities, for governments, for corporations and for individuals. At one time prosperity was the product of a productive increase and exchange of wealth through commerce and credit was the by-product of that economic process however, with the enforcement of Fiat Money, and the credit/debt mechanism that creates it, more and more people have been deluded into thinking that prosperity is a product of credit, it is not. The entire way of thinking in this country has been completely inverted by this system, and it has been rationalized to the point that it is now considered the only viable reality, but few seem to realize that it is a reality that will have a very, very heavy price.
So, when the Central Banks of the World flood the markets with liquidity, the bankers, in turn, flood it with debt and presto the miracle of economic boom is created. In the Fiat System, DEBT, upon creation becomes money and in such a system, it actually represents the use of future earnings today, but when debt is used in this way it also has a claim on future earnings for repayment. So today our money is debt, and debt is money, each placing restraints on what would normally be an economic exchange in productivity [ie. Goods and Services] under a commodity specie monetary system. Since a Fiat Monetary Economy must rely totally upon credit/debt expansion, and contraction in the creation of debt will contract economic growth however, herein is the Catch 22, when there is a continual influx of fiat money into circulation eventually the underlying debt will begin to demand more than the economy can produce and remain viable while attempting to service the debt. Remember, every single Fiat Note is a debt obligation. Throughout history every single instance of massive fiat money creation or credit injection into an economy has resulted in a systemic failure. Today, that systemic failure will naturally effect everything associated with the Fiat Monetary System, including Central Banks, banks, all securitizations, commercial paper, credit derivatives, credit swaps, asset backed securities and indeed everything associated or using fiat money as the foundation of economic functions.
While many want to place the blame on “free-trade” or “capitalism”, the truth of the matter is that neither have played a big part in the problems of our economy for decades. The underlying force of the Fiat Monetary System actually prohibits, to a large degree, “free-trade capitalism” in favor of a monetary management system that distorts the economy. Today, like the period of the 1920s, has seen an almost unrestrained creation of debt, uninhibited leveraged speculation in financial assets have been fueled by fiat monetary expansion in the form of credit. Of course, in a normal commodity specie monetary system, operating in a free-market would be naturally restrained by actual capital. Today, since all monetary creation is nothing more than debt creation, there can be no natural restrains within the system since the system requires constant expansion otherwise there will be an economic dislocation throughout the system. The best the Central Bankers can do is manipulate interest rates in hopes of cooling or heating up the economy, but even that poses problems because usually they are far behind the problems that their previous policy decisions caused. They must constantly play catch-up. Today, the entire economy is soaked with debt and it is more than what we normally think of when we say the word debt, this is an underlying debt from which all our “money” is made.
This begins to force a certain intellectual gymnastics to be preformed because debt requires repayment, but since all money in a fiat system is debt we eventually find ourselves in a conundrum of massive proportions. In reality, it is a circular equation with no solution. The whole system relies upon the inflation and eventual hyperinflation of assets used to collateralize the debt, but soon even that fails to support the system because consumerism is eventually exhausted, unable to maintain itself or its standard of living. Likewise, the Central Bankers themselves find it more and more difficult to engineer the booms necessary to maintain the highly regulated and manipulated economy.
As we have seen in this latest Central Bank induced boom, the expansion of debt continues to flow, until it reaches the highest risk borrowers, who are usually the most susceptible to the brut forces of inflation, which by the way is brought about by massive debt creation, begin to retreat from their repayment obligations. Believe it or not, this is not the first time this has happened, but the politicians and the Central Bankers would like for us to think so and thus they are able to offer their solutions, make their promises and hope that the people never really figure out the massive ruse they are playing on this country. So, once again, the Central Bankers will open the flood gates and issue massive amounts of Fiat Money into circulation, forestalling, once again, the devastating eventualities associated with a Fiat Monetary System. It appears that the Central Bank, and the government are simply going to ignore the warning signs and keep expanding the money supply thus pushing the underlying debt on an exponential curve resulting in the total destruction of the currency.
To understand what is really going on one need not look far, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System actually publish a great deal of information, but rarely do I find many people who are interested enough to read it, even in our government there are very few who pay enough attention or have the understanding necessary to translate what they read into a clarion call to the People of this country. In January of 2007, the CMDEBT FR Series stated that Household Sector Liabilities or Household Credit Market Debt Outstanding in Billions of Dollars was $13009.85 Billion compared to only $98.12 Billion in 1953, that is an incredible debt load even when considering the proportional differences in population. This is just one indicator that there has been an exponential growth in debt in this country. It is humanly impossible to actually imagine the amount of debt that bears down upon even the American economy, much less the global economy.
Debt must be repaid, otherwise the entire economic system becomes little more than a sham, but the problem we are faced with in a Fiat Monetary System is that the system itself relies totally on the creation and expansion of debt for its very existence. Because the Fiat Monetary System relies upon the creation of debt, it also relies upon the continued inflation of the underlying assets that are used to collateralize the debt. In such a system, particularly in a period as we have just witnessed, a very hot market, such as real estate, banks are encouraged, by the massive amount of credit liquidity, to issue loans to borrowers that would not normally qualify for such debt. Additionally, Banks are encouraged [yes, by the regulatory agencies of the government and the Federal Reserve] to be creative during such periods because such creativity promotes economic expansion and that is always a good thing in the eyes of politicians in particular. However, there is no amount of credit liquidity, even if interest rates go down to zero percent, that can defray the requirement of the debt to be repaid. Since inflation is the normal response to an expansion of debt money into circulation, this causes a major problem in the system since that inflation, along with other economic pressures, always makes is more and more difficult for the consumer to repay the debt. This is true for individuals, corporations and even local and State governments.

“All Power exercised over a nation, must have some beginning. It must be either delegated, or assumed. There are no other sources. All delegated power is trust, all assumed power is usurpation. Time does not alter the nature and quality of either.” Thomas Paine
As Thomas Paine said, time does not alter either the nature or the quality of the principles behind power. Either that power is delegated from a superior source of Sovereignty or it is assumed and therefore usurped. Now, the question of Sovereignty is perhaps one of the most important questions concerning the degree and quality of Liberty within this country. Only a Sovereign Source can delegate power and authority; likewise, only a Subordinate Source can receive those delegated powers and authority to act upon them.
It then becomes quite obvious in the following words within the Declaration of Independence where all Sovereignty emanates: “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”
“The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America” Those peculiar words were to declare the independence of the colonies from Britain. Additionally, once the War for American Independence was won, Great Britain recognized each State, by name, as being Sovereign and Independent States. This same phraseology was then used in the Articles of Confederation in the description of the States.
When these same States, by the consent of their Citizens, through Convention ratified the Constitution they did so in the same Sovereign Status as they did when they Declared their Independence to form a Revolutionary government and then formulated a Confederation through Consent and Compact; as the need arose they then entered into a Compact between themselves to form the Sovereign States in Union. They, through Consent, retained the same style throughout every stage of political formation. Each government, both the government of the Several States and the general government of the States or the federal government, were delegated powers and authority derived from the Consent of the People Sovereign.
The facts are well-established and the provision within the Constitution is too explicit to deduct any other opinion except that the States retained their Sovereign Status through the delegated authority and powers of the People through their Consent. So, even after the Ratification of the Constitution, the independent, distinct and sovereign character by which they both formed and ratified that Compact was never divested from the States, nor the People. The People are the Prima Materia Imperium from which all Powers and Authority stems within this country and within both the State and the federal governments, it can not originate in either government since they are both ordained and established by the People. Remember, a thing created can never be greater then the one who created it, the act of creation is the superior act.
Each government is the natural extension of the governed since each government, whether State or general, partakes in the character of the source which formed it to act as an Agent on the behalf of those who gave Consent; thereby delegating authority and power to act in their best interests. Since Sovereignty is the source of all delegated powers and authority, the primary benefactor of such power and authority will be the States in which the Sovereign People reside, from there the States, acting as Agents of the People will properly delegate and grant a degree of authority and powers to the general or federal government to act in a limited capacity on behalf of the States united as a political community for the Sole Benefit of their Citizens.
The federal government has no powers or authority that emanates inherently from itself, despite its claim to the contrary, but must rely solely upon the delegation of those powers and that authority from the Sovereignty of the People of the Several States. The federal government is a reflection of the States united through the Voluntary Compact of Union, otherwise known as the Constitution.
The allegiance of the People therefore, will naturally be toward their respective States since it is the Several States that make up the Voluntary Union of States which reflects those States through the usage of Three Distinct and Separate Branches. Each of those Branches are also totally dependent on the Concurrent Consent of the States and the People in their Sovereign Character as each Branch depends on the Delegation of Their Power and Authority to act.
So, the States were Ordained to act through the powers and authority delegated to them by the Sovereign People of each State, in turn the federal government was Ordained by the States to act both on the behalf of the States and in turn the People Sovereign. The government of the United States is not now, nor has it ever been singular, but reflects the Several States by their Concurrent Consent as Ordained and Granted by the People.
The Preamble of the Constitution defines the reasons for the Ordination of the government and those reasons are clearly enumerated as very specific objects: “to form a more perfect union, to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.” So, it was the Several States, or the People that make up the Several States, that Ordained the government through the Ratification of the Constitution between them; this Act of Concurrent Consent and Ratification did not place the federal government over the States or the People, the Several States, and thus the People only delegated a degree of authority and power to it in order for it to fulfill the specific enumerated objects previously stated.
It is obvious therefore, or at least it should be, that the one to whom authority and power is delegated is not, nor can it be higher then the one delegating that power and authority. The Authority that ordains and establishes must therefore, be higher than that which is ordained and established. This should be common sense, unfortunately the assumption of powers not only usurps common sense, but power as well.
The 10th Amendment states clearly that: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
So, by the Compact between the Several States vested a degree of power and authority to the general or federal government. It split this power and authority between Three Branches, distinct in purpose and operations. The 10th Amendment then continues to say that those powers that are not delegated to the federal government and that are not prohibited by it [the Constitution] are reserved to the States or to the People. This is not a limitation upon either the States or the People, but solely upon the federal government of these United States. It is also apparent that there are powers and authority that the People did not delegate to either the States or the federal government, but that are completely retained by them alone.
This is the bar, the measurement of all government action and legislation. There can be no action or legislation that infringes upon the Retained Rights, the Retained Authority and Power of the People. Although Congress and even the State Legislatures tend to present and pass legislation that does not conform to the principle that the People retain these Sovereign Characteristics, the proper and legal measure of all legislation is if that legislation contradicts those Rights Reserved and Retained by the People and the People alone. There are, in additional to those Rights enumerated within the Constitution, Rights, Power and Authority Retained by the People which are not mentioned, not enumerated within the Constitutional Compact.
Additionally, even the Supreme Court of these United States should, by the act of the Sovereign Source of its own delegated powers, always consider the measure of all opinions based not on an allowable degree of Rights due the People, but solely limiting the assumption of powers by the government itself. The Supreme Court only holds the degree of supremacy as it is delegated to it and no more.
Through the Compact between the Several States, the People ordained and established a government of the People, by the People and solely for benefit of the People. This government was formed and intended to operate as a federal, in contradistinction of a national government. In a national government all other Constitutions and governments, such as those of the States would be superceded and absorbed, but that was never the case, nor is it the case even though for decades that has been the primary focus of certain elements within the federal government and both of the ruling political parties. The Several States are the expression of the People’s Sovereignty, as is the federal government the expression of the People’s Will through the Several States in Union. Each of the Several States, by Concurrent Consent of the People, ratified this Voluntary and Reflective Union but retained all Sovereignty and Power to alter, abolish or, if necessary, to leave that Voluntary Union.
Likewise, the Executive and the Legislative Branches are only allowed a degree of authority and power as it is delegated to them to perform a very specific and narrow set of obligations to the People. Any actions or Legislation beyond those specific and narrow set of obligations and all Three Branches only assume power, or usurp it from the People.
Of course, through the decades the 10th Amendment, like the 9th has been ignored to the point of being effectively neutralized. There are no divided powers, no divided authority, no divided sovereignty; it all rest within the People and is only delegated to the Several States and to the federal government. The Several States and the federal government hold Authority and Power only in Delegated Trust; with that Trust comes all the Responsibility and Duty enumerated within the Compact between the Several States agreed by Concurrent Consent of the People of those Several States.
Since all Power and Authority is either Delegated through legal Consent or Assumed and thereby Usurped illegally, where does that leave us in our opinion of this current government? What respect or loyalty do We legally have to a government who has illegally Assumed and Usurped its Authority and Power from the People of these Several States United?