Schwarzenegger: ‘Flip-Flopping Is Getting a Bad Rap’
On "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" this morning, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was talking about how Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has been moving towards the center, and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., would, in his view, hopefully start doing so.
"In politics out there, they always say, ‘Well, now, I don’t know anymore what he really stands for. He has just changed his mind…’" Schwarzenegger said.
"Flip-flopper," said George.
"’…and he’s flip-flopping’ and all those kinds of things," the Republican governor continued. "Let me tell you something. Flip-flopping is getting a bad rap, because I think it is great. Someone has made a mistake. I mean, someone has, for 20 or 30 years, been in the wrong place with his idea and with his ideology and says, ‘You know something? I changed my mind. I am now for this.’ As long as he’s honest or she’s honest, I think that is a wonderful thing. You can change your mind…
"I have changed my mind on things and there is nothing wrong with it," Schwarzenegger continued. "But I’d just say to the people, I’d say, ‘Look, I once felt this way. Now I think this way,’ end of story."
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That certainly does not describe BHO!
He flips and flops for political purposes — not because he’s changed his mind.
Posted by: Aston | July 13, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
I agree – when it is done genuinely. In BO’s case, he showed his true ideology in order to win the nomination over Hillary, and to get the Moveon and far-left activist Votes. Now he wants to move to the middle in order to get these votes. Which BO will turn up if he becomes President? Which is the true BO? We can only judge him on his record (slim to none and not impressive at all) and what we have seen of him over the past couple of years, and it ain’t hopeful. A risk was taken with Bush (Obama is O’Bush to me), and see where we are today. Think……
Posted by: Beckie | July 13, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
No, nothing wrong with changing your opinion on an issue. But McCain has switched back and forth on issues within a week, all depending on his audience. That’s NOT changing your opinion, that’s flip-flopping and pandering for votes.
Posted by: JR | July 13, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Obama: Just tell him what you want to hear and he’ll say it!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 13, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
OK LISTEN UP PEOPLE
McCain voted against drilling when oil cost $20 a barrel, now supports it at $145 a barrel = CHANGE OF POSITION
Obama taking private funds after calling on everyone to take public funds = FLIP FLOP
Posted by: john | July 13, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
With Obama, he’s flip-flops are operating at a higher frequency than the other guy. It’s one thing to change a policy position over several years of new data. It’s another thing to change your position in a matter of days and a few short months, in order to entice and provide illusion to the electorate. Where is the trust in Obama’s switch on public financing? Where is the trust in Obama’s switch on the FISA bill. These things occurred within the election cycle, not as a matter of policy, but as a matter of convenience to steal undeserved votes.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | July 13, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Aston: Obama is in to win not to lose. Whatever he thinks will make him win, let him do it.
We need a President who has a vision.
Posted by: Peace | July 13, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
People forget Obama is in this to win it. Bill Clinton did this in 92′ and won. Obama’s doing it now and winning. Obama’s not your typical democrat, he knows how to fight and that’s why the Republicans feared him during the primaries and fear him now.
Posted by: Vanessa | July 13, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Vanessa
Obama is a typical democratic candidate — pandering to those who feel entitled or fee victimized.
Same, same, same!
Posted by: Aston | July 13, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Candidates routinely flip-flop to get votes. They all do it, and many voters would have it no other way. Where the candidate stands on important issues, over long periods of time, is the real key to their character.
Posted by: Independent | July 13, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Obama in a single word: ‘present’!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 13, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Obama in a single phrase: “That’s not the person I knew”!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 13, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Obama in a single sentence: “I was against it but now, I’m for it”!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 13, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Ahnold is speaking for most of the country here. Amazing when he’s making more sense than the candidates. Ahnold in an Obama admin.? Maybe…
Posted by: matt | July 13, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Independent,
That’s my issue. As long as Obama maintains his stance on the economy, war, foreign relations, health care, justices etc he’s my candidate
Posted by: Vanessa | July 13, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
So in other words a politicans word is worth about as much today as the dollar. (i.e. NOTHING!) Go figure. I’d worry if I was Obama, the last guy Arnold defended (Bush) isn’t faring so well these days. Maybe Arnie needs to worry about his own collapsing state of California, before he needs to “support” interests from other states.
Posted by: pity | July 13, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
McCain is against gay couples adopting. He would rather have kids stay in an orphange without anyone to love them, than let a loving gay couple adopt them.
Disgusting.
Posted by: jmc663 | July 13, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
The interesting thing here is not the message but the messenger. The Kennedy machine is now pulling another big gun down to push Obama’s presidency while simultaneously building up the credentials for changing the Constitution to allow Arnold to run. It seems that there may also be technicalities that if invoked could stop the Obama campaign: to wit, he may not be a legal US citizen.
So put up enough uproar over the technicalities threatening Obama precious, push that out of the way and prepare the emotional acceptance of the Obama administration working a change in the Constitution opening the door for Arnold S.
In the biz, this is called an Overton Maneuver. Draw all the intervening positions between what is and what is to be accepted, then maneuver on position at a time until the unthinkable becomes thinkable and then done.
Clever. Forward thinking. Scurilous, but clever.
Posted by: len | July 13, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Arnold is right. People need to come to their senses. When McCain thought giving all those tax breaks to the wealthy was a bad idea and he was against it, he was wrong. Now he is right. The heck with all those middle and lower class people; they’re just a bunch of whiners anyway.
And his promise not to exploit his military service for political purposes? Well now of course he sees the folly in that and he’s exploiting it in commercials and every time and every where he speaks anymore.
That’s only logical. Nothing else seems to be working.
But his true genius in flip flopping is when he denies categorically things he is shown to have said, on video. THAT is talent.
Posted by: Steven Takacs | July 13, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Yes, and flip-flopping can be acceptable if it is an issue but what about character Mr. Schwarzenegger? What kind of a President will Obama be? Is he going to say to Iran’s President “I’M JUST MESSING WITH YOU, MAN” as he said at a recent fundraiser with families present—-“We can’t afford to be divided by race. We can’t afford to be divided by region or by class and we can’t afford to be divided by gender, which by the way, that means, Bernie, you’ve got to clean up your act next time,” Obama said. “This is a family affair. By the way, I’m just messing with you, man.” Is he going to call woman that are Heads of State “sweetie”. Knowing all too well that woman voters are upset with the way that Clinton was treated, he comes out with the statement “get over it”. Obama said he “REGRETTED” saying that the lives of American soldiers who died fighting in Iraq had been “wasted”. Obama said the “REGRETTED” his choice of words that “bitter” folks in Middle America who have lost economic hope “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them.” Obama said he “REGRETTED” buying property and having help of the purchase of the lot next door by his longtime (17 year) supporter and big-time fund-raiser Tony Rezko (now in jail for corruption), who helped him win his Senate Seat. Just a few days ago Obama REGRETTED allowing his young daughters to participate in a family TV interview with “Access Hollywood.”
Will the next Obama REGRET be that we embarrassed him because we do not speak enough languages? Obama voted against English being the official language of America. Obama said “they want to pass a law”, “We want English-only.” The bill before the Senate was to make English the official language of America for which Mr. Obama voted NO. We are proud of America, proud of our working people, our accomplishments, and proud of our freedoms. Obama wants us to change, we can not live the way we have been living “the rest of the world does not like it”.
I know I’ve missed a lot of regrets, and you can probably fill them in (or just watch the News because tomorrow will provide another one). When it comes to the Oval Office, the world and the American people what will be his next regret? Truthfully, Mr. Schwarzenegger you really think this man’s character is Presidential?
Posted by: Ann | July 13, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
If we don’t allow politicians to change their mind based on new evidence and experience than we are crippling our leadership. We end up with guys like Bush who always believe the same thing regardless of new evidence or experience, never grow, never admit a mistake and never change course for the better. Of course, there is also shameless political pandering which is a different thing entirely.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | July 13, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Vanessa,
Mr. Obama has been fairly consistent on the issues you mentioned, but he seems to have moved a little more to the center since the election. According to some, the base is disappointed with that maneuver. I am undecided at this point, but leaning toward the party that will accept responsibility for, and provide solutions to, the current quagmire. Don’t you agree?
Posted by: Independent | July 13, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
ANN: Funny you should expound upon the concept of “character”, especially as it relates to REGRET.
I’ve always believed that the true measure of any honest man’s (or woman’s) character is directly proportional to the number and quality of the sincere regrets in their life. In other words: everyone makes mistakes, but only people of honest character can ever experience (and express) a true regret.
I suggest that you might want to rent the movie “The Big Kahuna” for further discussion of this concept, as it appears that it is completely foreign to your current world view.
Posted by: Mark | July 13, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
A good candidate changes their position based on experience and present conditions and not on a whelm or for political expediency. Experience takes many weeks, months and years and must be thoroughly analyzed before you decide to change your mind on important issues. Changing your mind in just a few hours or a few days is called flip flopping and that is an appropriate name for it. We need a president that examines history and past practices very carefully before he changes his mind and changes policy for this country. We don’t need someone that flows with the tide and looks at polls to make decisions. Yes, we need someone that listens to the people, but in some cases, based on information that can’t be made public, the president must use his/her good judgement.
Obama is controlled and told what to say and where he stands on a particular issue by his election staff. These people determine what the public wants to hear or where the other candidate stands on an issue, and then tells Obama what to say to the voters. Obama reads directly from a teleprompter most of the time and says exactly what his staff has come up with. He sounds like a great politician, but in fact he is just a robot with a lot of shrewd politicians behind him who have created a new political figure. Don’t get caught up in their rhetoric and make an important decision that you will REGRET for the rest of your life.
Posted by: Jim Johnson | July 13, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Changing one’s mind because conditions changed is one thing. Changing one’s stance based on political opportunism is another thing.
The second one is flip-flopping or, perhaps more accurately, pandering!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 13, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
there is nothing wrong with changing your mind as new cirumstances arise we should not want someone to be stubborn things change everyday mccain is consider flip flopping one minute he supports something next week he opposes it and the situation didnt even change example oppose bush economic plan now support oppose gi bill now support mccain panders the voters depending on his audience thats flipping obama says the same to his audience and even tells you we may not agree but this is how i stand so in my opinion mccain is a serious flip flopper!!!
Posted by: angie | July 13, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
McCain has flip-flopped 61 times now and counting.
Posted by: AkaDad | July 13, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
HILLARY DID NOT CHANGE HER MIND. SHE VOTED NO ON FISA. SHE VOTED TO PROTECT AMERICAN FREEDOM.
OBAMA LIED AND VOTED YES ON FISA. ABUSE BY OBAMA. HE TOOK AWAY FREEDOM FROM EVERY AMERICAN.
Posted by: DemocratNoMore2 | July 13, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
I think I figured out why Arnie is backing Obama—-because Obama in all likelyhood isn’t a natural citizen given citizenship laws when he was born and is why he is refusing to come up with this birth certificate—-Arnie wants the natural citizen laws changed so he can be president. No wonder our founding fathers only wanted natural born citizens—
Posted by: chattyway | July 13, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
A “No” vote for the new FISA bill was not a vote to protect American Freedom. It was a vote to allow the enemy to communicate unimpeded with anyone, anytime, anywhere.
The 4th Amendment protects us against “unreasonable searches and seizures” without a warrant. Clearly had our founding fathers intended for ALL searches and seizures to require warrants they could have said “against all searches and seizures.” That means there are reasonable searches and seizures that do NOT require a warrant. When a suspected DUI driver is pulled over and given a breathalyzer test there is no warrant required. When an individual is ordered out of his car and he is searched for weapons this is done so without a warrant. So clearly there are reasonable searches and seizures that do not require warrants. And what could be more reasonable than searching and seizing communications between a foreign enemy and individuals within the United States during time of war?
Posted by: James Danley | July 13, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
If you believed something yesterday, changed your mind, and now believe something different today, that’s fine if your belief is honest and if there was a good reason for the change.
Obama’s beliefs are not honest. I do not think he really believes anything. In addition, the only reason Obama changes his position is politics, which is not a good reason for changing.
He keeps saying, “change you can believe in,” but what he really means is, “I want you to believe me when I change.”
Posted by: David H | July 13, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
I use to like Arnold now I think he’s a pig! Change you can believe in.
Posted by: Tony | July 13, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
I do not approve of or tolerate Arnold Schwarzenegger or Barack Obama .
Posted by: c'est moi | July 13, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Astrong honest man changes his mind when necessary, a fool does not. See what regidity of mind has done to America under Mr. Bush. Does America deserve what we are getting toda? NO. Had we had a wise leader he would have changed his mind on Iraq, Pakistan, Tax cuts for the rich.
Now troop withdrawal will begin with Bush, more banks will colapse under him. Is this strenght or weakness. It is too late for senator McCain to distance himself from the failures of the Bush administration.
Posted by: cornelius agwunobi | July 13, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Cornelius,
The problem is that Obama is not a strong man, and he’s flopping the wrong way. He’s not changing his mind based on facts, but is trying to create illusions for the voters. He’s appeasing voters into voting for him. Appeasement is an act of a weakling.
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Obama — just messin’ with you man!!!!!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | July 13, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Ahhh-nold is an iiii-diot. Change your position because circumstances have changed– good. Change your position simply to get more votes– not good. A real conservative presidential candidate would make mincemeat out of flip-flopping ultra-liberal Obama. Since we don’t have on, Obama will probably win.
Posted by: spincut | July 13, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
‘McCain has flip-flopped 61 times now and counting.’
posted by: AkaDad | Jul 13, 2008 4:22:37 PM
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IN HOW MANY YEARS?
And, speaking of still counting…. have you read “Obama’s Laundry List of Lies” lately????
I like McCain….. trust him..
He’s open minded enough to change, conservative enough to be cautious.
He may be plain…. but he’s sane!
HILLARY THEN MCCAIN…
but always
Posted by: questioner | July 13, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Abe Lincoln used to say when asked about being “two faced” as it was called back then, “I’d like to think I was smarter and know more than I did before.”
I am okay with Obama changing his mind based on learning more about a situation(ie. Iraq), but not based on who he’s talking to at the moment.
Posted by: BET787 | July 13, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.
* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.
* McCain thought Bush’s warrant-less-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
* McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization
* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.
* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrant-less surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.
* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.
* McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.
* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.
* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.
* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.
* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
* McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”
* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t’t be allowed.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.
* In 2005 he said that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag
Posted by: NoCrossNoCrown | July 13, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
I used to be against drilling off the coasts and in the US too. We needed to save our oil reserves for as long as we could while oil was relatively inexpensive and up till the point to the tech came along to where we could drill environmentally friendly and where the oil we harvested could actually be brought up and refined….we are at this point now. McCain was right to hold off on the drilling and now is the time to change that position because times have changed. Only idiots (Obama nut supporters) can’t grasp this simple concept.
Posted by: chattyway | July 13, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
—”But I’d just say to the people, I’d say, ‘Look, I once felt this way. Now I think this way,’ end of story.”—
Arnie is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Barack in terms of ‘flip-flopping’ in a way that doesn’t make him look like he’s being politically calculating such that it alienates people.
When Arnie flip-flops, you know on one level that he’s doing it but you still feel like he’s factored everybody’s interests into his assessments AS WELL AS his own. With Barack you feel like it’s all about Barack.
Hence the bad rap for Barack . . . and the bad flip-flopping I might add. I don’t know whether you’d see Arnie make such a stupid mistake as to support telecom immunity and then try to be the slickster in making people think his thinking was one thing when it was really another. I don’t get the sense that Arnold flip-flops when he knows he’s not going to be able to explain it in a way that’s palatable to MANY MANY more people.
Barack isn’t losing support just amongst the ‘far left’, he’s hemorreaging support amongst the centrist independents who like strong leaders.
Posted by: SamTheCat | July 13, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Most people can tell the difference between lying and changing one’s mind. When you promise something, like ending a war promptly, you do it … or resign from office.
Posted by: Dennis | July 13, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
That certainly does not describe BHO!
He flips and flops for political purposes — not because he’s changed his mind.
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Posted by: spacerook1 | July 14, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Where was Schwarzenegger when Kerry was
being accused of flip flopping by Republicans?
Is it politically correct when its in THEIR favor?
Posted by: spacerook1 | July 14, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
What politician doesn’t flip flop? The American political process is a joke and the voters are sheep. There are a lot more poor and uneducated voters than rich educated ones. Winning elections is about convincing the sheep to vote, not stating their real views. Every election is a contest to be considered the lesser of two evils. Obama is the lesser of two evils this time around.
Posted by: Sparky | July 14, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
Ahnold wrote the book on the art
of the flip-flop….just ask any
California Republican.
Posted by: oddfellow | July 14, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am
That’s why we Californians love our Arnold. He makes a lot of common sense.
Posted by: Judy | July 14, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am
haha – I’m a Democrat who is only voting for Obama because the alternative would be certain catastrophe. He might be as bad as all of you are predicting, but the ONE thing that outweighs all of that is that he will engage in dialogue with hostile states (nations), rather than assume a bullying and dominating attitude. We won’t be around to argue about healthcare, taxes or the economy if “Bomb” McCain gets in. It’s that simple. No amount of flip-flopping will change that.
Posted by: Dantheguy9 | July 14, 2008, 3:21 am 3:21 am
It’s telling that Obama has thrown so much of the campaign and Dems agenda out the window, even a former Republican Governor wants to join his team. Bipartisanship sucks!
Politics is not a dirty word, it stands for will and purpose. It’s about fighting for what you believe in. Obama is the sort of politician giving politics a bad name.
Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | July 14, 2008, 4:54 am 4:54 am
Well if ole Dubya had the good sense to THINK and admit he was wrong (dry drunks HATE to admit they are wrong) maybe we wouldn’t be in the sad and sick predicament we’re in now.
Bush has been the ruin-nation of America.
Intelligent people think and rethink and at times adjust their course of action as life and situations progress.
OBAMA 08!
Posted by: Ala | July 14, 2008, 6:27 am 6:27 am
mccain has flipped and flopped way more then obama, back in 2000 i would have voted for mccain because he was right in the middle on most subjects now he is a neocon wacko just like bush. so saying obama is a flip flopper comeing from mccain is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Posted by: tom | July 14, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
If you are a real blogger, all you have to do is go on some blogs and read about people flip flopping on supporting Obama. Many that voted in the primary for him are now sorry, so anyone can flip flop.
The question becomes….how many will flip flop for the GE?
Posted by: Be Independent | July 14, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Now there is a man with no core convictions…..end of story!
Posted by: Dennis W. Atkins | July 14, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Everyone is born with the ideas that they will hold a lifetime. They will never change….ya right. Way to go Arnold finally someone with some sense besides Ron Paul!!!
Posted by: Ben Straub | July 14, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Vote Socialism with Obama ’08!
That way we, the middle class, can be forced to support more of the life forms that sit on their collective butt, collect welfare and pop out babies. As well as the illegals. Yea, just what I want.
Posted by: Charlie | July 14, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Arnold, you are truly the mighty oak!! You will always have my respect!!
Posted by: Alex | July 14, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Just another excuse for the “terminator” to waffle as he always seems to.
All talk and no guts.
Posted by: wayne | July 14, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
It is one thing to change a long-standing position due to a change in a situation such as an economic, military, or social condition. However, it is quite another thing to change a major position you took to get a nomination within the last year just so you can appeal to more moderates. That is pandering and it is particularly disingenuous for Obama to do this when he said he was a different king of politician – pretending to be better than most. He is doing all this changing now so that he hopes all the Americans will forget when it comes to the election that he ever had the other position. Obama is a very ambitious, arrogant and Machiavellian politican to my way of thinking.
Posted by: Susan | July 14, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Obama said he would personally negotiate with the leaders of “rogue” nations without preconditions. That statement was a lot more insidious than some of you understand. Members of our state dept are always carrying on a dialogue either directly or through other countries’ representatives with the leadership/admin of “rogue” nations. The striking difference that shocked a lot of us when Obama made the statement was the “personally”, “directly” and “without preconditions” part of his statements. While that may have appealed to some of you, it is not a smart generalization to have made. Obama now realizes that his statements about open dialogue without preconditions only appealed to liberals, so that is why he is changing/pandering on his then position.
Posted by: Susan | July 14, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
I believe Arnold’s biggest flip flop was in the movie commando. Holding one of the bad guy leaders he asks, “remember when I said I would kill you last, I changed my mind” Then he killed him.
Posted by: X marks the spot | July 14, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
I don’t know what flip-flop means for sure. I personally would define a person who changes his mind on an issue as flipping. If he changes his mind repeatly or states did positions to different audiences, then he is a flip-flopper.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | July 14, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
I think it is critical that you re-evaluate your position some times. It will either confirm your position is correct or that you may have overlooked some point of view that has value. The only person who never changes his mind doesn’t learn from their mistakes and very narrow minded if they really think their point of view is the only valid one. Each of use only see and experience a small fraction of the knowledge of God. We all make mistakes in our daily lives and we all make mistakes in our thinking. Point of views that are tested become stronger. Point of views that never tested are blinders.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | July 14, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
If any of you lived in my area you’d realize how dangerous the Dems are to an economy
I will not even comment on National Security
The Dems have run my stste and city forever and results are?
2nd pooest city in nation
2nd highest taxes in nation
tempory sales tax increases that have never gone away
deficit budgets
county and city under control boards
62% of employed by government by way of city county state plus all those town village and so on
public employees with 10 wks vacation
hundreds of sick hours 6 1/2 hr work days and 13-16 paid holidays
steady poulation drain meaning more taxes and fees
some of the highest energy rates in country like .62 cent a gallon tax
plus my county tax rate is per dollar not gallon/nice windfall for them
free healthcare for children but if kid qualifies so do parents up to about 50,000
In a way i hope Obama is elected
I want the rest of the Usa to feel this pain
Posted by: mm | July 14, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
Obama is not a flip flopper
He’s more like a flg that flaps whichever the wind blows
But after election wind will fly left all times
Shows what kind of people vote Dem as the excused Clinton and approve of Obama
lying to get elected.
shows alot of character flaws
Posted by: mm | July 14, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
why hasn’t aistria called for schwarzenegger’s extradition? he is a deserter from the austrian army.
ted kennedy fixed it so this shameless unindicted felon was granted citizenship.
has this human steroid ever been to wisconsin? how did he get a college degree from the UNiv of wisconsin-superior?
Posted by: deroy | July 14, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm