Two former Bush Advisers Now Advising Obama, Will Appear at Economic Meeting Today
ABC News has learned that two former administration officials for President George W. Bush will appear with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, at an economic meeting today, having signed up to be Obama economic advisers.
Bush administration veterans former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill and former Securities and Exchange Commissioner William Donaldson will join former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, and more traditionally Democratic economic advisers such as former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, billionaire liberal Warren Buffett, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, and SEIU Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger.
Donaldson’s tenure at the SEC was notable for his attempts to work with the Democratic Commissioners, for angering the US Chamber of Commerce and Republican legislators, and for abandoning an effort for shareholder proxy access.
O’Neill, the former CEO of Alcoa, had a stormy tenure as Bush’s Treasury Secretary, and revealed his frustrations with the Bush administration — especially over the war in Iraq, economic policy, and the President’s leadership style — in a book written by Ron Suskind, The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O’Neill.
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Obama steals Bush’s energy plan, foreign policy, and now his economic advisers. Nice.
Posted by: p0s3r | July 28, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
The Denver Group, which is trying to ensure a fair and open convention in Denver, is still raising funds in order to disseminate ads.
The Denver Group was featured in the New York Times.
There are still people out there who remember the anti-democratic nature of the primaries (the anti-democratic caucuses, the stripping of Michigan and Florida, the closed-doors decision of the RBC on May 31, the assignment of more delegates to some districts over others). These folks do not want that to be the legacy of the Democratic party.
Posted by: 57 states and counting | July 28, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
So Obama is actually a Republican plant?
So first he was a lightworker and messiah. Next the Obama camp will announce he is the advance man for disclosure of the alien civilization that has been working for over 50 years to bring their secret pizza sauce recipes to dominate Earth. That explains the ears.
Can this election get weirder? Apparently, yes.
Posted by: len | July 28, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
‘All Aboard The Obama Express!!!’
Get on the bus, or get under it.
Posted by: Deep Release | July 28, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
lol
you republicans are silly, say anything do anything, praise mcsame, bash obama
mccain is the worst candidate i have ever seen, how in the world could you or anyone ever vote for this senile old man
Posted by: bhrandon | July 28, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
How many Dems have gone over to McCains camp? NONE!
Very bi-partisan!
Posted by: Maverickity | July 28, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Obama has had not ONE original policy idea in this entire campaign. He stole Hillary Clinton’s economic plan and parts of her health care plan
Obama is the one running for Bush’s third term. This is how dictators get elected.
Posted by: Kurt | July 28, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
These guys know where their bread is going to be buttered.
Posted by: Dan | July 28, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Hello
some people on here need to wake up to what the post is…
America is moving on to a better chapter.
Keep (wrongly I may add) arguing over the last chapter…
Moving on with both sides coming to the table to solve this bologne that Bush McCain policies left us with…
Posted by: dl | July 28, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
and Kurt
that’s what good leaders do they take everyone’s plans and pick the best.
Every candidates ideas come from other sources…they better.
Posted by: dl | July 28, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Kurt: WHAT??? You better get your facts straight before you start making false comments. Hillary, and now Bush, both have taken what Obama has been saying from day one and using his policies outlines. (And, yes, I have followed all of them from day one). To bad Obama has not been president this past 8 years we would all be in a better place.
Posted by: becky | July 28, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
and McCains team & poilcy is…?
oh, McCain waits on Obama to attack and attack, because he has none.
Posted by: watching | July 28, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
I am so proud of Obama and how he is not viewing anyone as a Republican or Democrat, that what he is doing is whoever has a great idea and can help us out as a nation please come to my table, please help build us up as a country.
We need to come together as a whole, no more red states, no more blue states, no more black, no more white, no more tan… NO MORE. or we will be finished as a great Union.
Posted by: becky | July 28, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
No one has the sole franchise!! To say that Obama “stole” ideas from Hillary and others is ludicrous since ideas are ideas and is a mixture of everything else. So can one say that Bill has the sole franchise to “blue-dress”. No, you see dresses in all shades of blue everywhere!! Wise is the man who is willing to take good parts of everything to weave into a cohesive and great plan to help us all advance. Go back through the past century and you will see that parts of every idea has come through the ages, tweaked in different ways. It’s time for these jokers to claim sole rights to everything.
Posted by: Karen | July 28, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
bhrandon ponders how anybody could vote for McCain. We should not attack McCain too harshly before the Republican convention. They might wake up and replace him with a viable candidate.
Posted by: JoeForSure | July 28, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
When it’s all said and done, BHO will be more like Bush and less like the guy who started it all. The signs are impossible to miss. Hillary fans – time to re-think — you’ve been ravaged by the phony-baloney!
Posted by: S | July 28, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
What? Bush people joining Obama? I thought that Obama and the Democrats were saying that Bush, his people and his policies were evil. Even if O’Neill wrote a book and had differences with Bush, isn’t Obama afraid of being tainted by the residual evil?
Posted by: Chet Bunnell | July 28, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
HA HA LOL. Now what. Obama getting the AL QUDIA to be his security advisers
Posted by: baffer | July 28, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
“Obama has had not ONE original policy idea in this entire campaign. He stole Hillary Clinton’s economic plan and parts of her health care plan
Obama is the one running for Bush’s third term. This is how dictators get elected.
Posted by: Kurt | Jul 28, 2008 10:48:44 AM”
Your comment may not be far off. On Wed. Obama was talking about being president and dealing with foreign leaders for the next 10 years. Presidential terms are only 4 years–wake up people.
Posted by: StLouisMan | July 28, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Obama steals Bush’s energy plan, foreign policy, and now his economic advisers. Nice.
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Bush is going to endorse Obama next. He knows a “winner” when he sees one; plus he’s trying to “savage” his legacy and be on stage at one of those “overseas rallys”.
Posted by: judy | July 28, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Obama has never had an original thought. NEVER!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 28, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Democrats for McCain. Barack looks more and more like GWB every day. Flips on FISA, NAFTA, and pretty much everything else. No one knows anymore where the boneheaded fellow stands on issues.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | July 28, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
It’s good to hear that Senator Obama is creating a diverse group of advisers. It’s great to see these advisers rising above the divided politics of the extreme GOP people. It’s so sad that all John McCain does – is attack, attack, attack. He’s so negative and divisive. We need a president who is more positive and can bring different-minded people together. That’s why I’m voting for Senator Obama. He’s run a great campaign, and he works across the aisle in politics. In contrast, McCain is just too negative and divisive. I’m tired of McCain’s divide-and-conquer mentality. We need change in this great country of ours. We need new approaches because McCain is just following in Bush’s footsteps. McCain & Bush are both too negative and they’re war-mongers.
Posted by: Allen | July 28, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Wow he is actually practicing what he has been talking about and trying to fix what in polls ranks at the top of American’s frustrations with Washington. Bringing the 2 parties together to solve our problems. How refreshing to see someone actually listen to the brightest from all sides to form policy.
Posted by: TSnow27604 | July 28, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
RIDDLE ME THIS: What candidate needs 300 foreign policy advisers to tell him what he thinks?
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 28, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Is this the same O’Neill that got canned for making the outrageous comment that the Iraq fiasco would cost $200 billion? Clearly he was wrong then, so why should anyone listen to him now?
snark
Posted by: DefendOurConstitution | July 28, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
My word processor is whacked today sorry:
I hope that democrats do not drop the ball or go to sleep at the wheel and forget to vote in November. It will take more then polls to secure the presidency for Obama. We as American voters need to turn out in record numbers to support Barack Obama to become the next president of the USA.
I am so tired of McShame and the RNC attacks against another American with the patrotism rhetoric.
I hope and pray that Americans realize just how negative the RNC’s campaign has been during this campaign. Make them pay across the board and vote democratic in every state election this year. A democratic Congress would turn our economy around pronto.
Now that is CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. As ordinary Americans together
YES WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Lou | July 28, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
sadstate wrote:
Flips on FISA, NAFTA, and pretty much everything else.
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In ONE week, McCain has flipped on timetables, gay adoption, car emission standards, tax increases, and Affirmative Action. That is just SOME of the flips. In ONE WEEK! So if you are accusing Obama of it, you had better take a long look at McCain.
Posted by: Maverickity | July 28, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
So, Obama wants to be a ‘good republican’ as opposed to ‘bad republican’ Bush. Nice.
It is clear now why Mr. O’ admires Saint Ronnie Reagan so much.
And this is what they call ‘bipartisanship’.
“-Shut up, people, He knows what He’s doing!”
At least real Democrats like PUMAs and the Denver Group are seen this for what it is, a Big Scam, and fighting back.
Posted by: DoughBoy | July 28, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Hillary was unelectable. She might have got 49.99% of the old guard democrats, but none of the independents, none of the new generation of voters now getting involved and none of the cross over republicans. The great majority of the voters have a strong aversion to her, and true to form, she ran one of the dirtiest campaigns in history. It is time for the sad old sour grapes Hillary supporters to suck it in and get on with their lives.
Posted by: JoeForSure | July 28, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Obama: nominated by the DNC and supers who ignored the masses. Now, the worm is turning!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 28, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Obama: nominated by the DNC and supers who ignored the masses. Now, the worm is turning!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | Jul 28, 2008 11:20:39 AM
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18 million of us masses spoke and nominated the best to lead us to the White House.
Posted by: Maverickity | July 28, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
All he needs now is make McClellan his Press Secretary.
Posted by: Ed | July 28, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
When it’s all said and done, BHO will be more like Bush and less like the guy who started it all. The signs are impossible to miss. Hillary fans – time to re-think — you’ve been ravaged by the phony-baloney!
Posted by: S | July 28, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Hagel as VP?
Posted by: Last Call | July 28, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
So obambush is going to drive this country deeper into recession and get us into more wars, OBAMA?BUSH? NO DIFFERENCE!!!, bet the media stops printing crap about bush people going over to Obamie now
Posted by: Steve | July 28, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Obama is going to use great advice from Bush people, well his supporters should be proud. Obama sucks.
Posted by: David, Ny | July 28, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
I thought Obama did not like what Bush has done on economy, now he is BORROWING HIS ADIVOSRS!!
hmm..Oh! I forgot, Obama has the better JUDGMENT
Posted by: frieda | July 28, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Go Obama
Posted by: dougie004 | July 28, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
The GOP is dead. Obama’s closest competition might turn out to be Bob Barr.
Posted by: Seamus | July 28, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
It’s going to be Biden as VP and
and Romney or Pawlenty… but Mccain will wait to announce…
the announcement/release of statistics on infrastructure and bridge deterioration will not be a good time to announce Pawlenty (Mr. cut taxes -like the gas tax – and watch your infrastructure fall into disrepair and your bridges crumble…)
or Romney…(Mr. worry about your upcoming Presidential run while people die in the big dig and leave your state transportation and roads in a big black hole)
so McCain will wait…
and Obama is picking Biden.
Posted by: dl | July 28, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
It truly matters not what the man says or does, some of you will bash him for ANYTHING.
Posted by: Aaron | July 28, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
I know more about the economy than McCain thats why i lost my shirt investing in the stock market
Posted by: dl.. | July 28, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
dl wrote:
or Romney…(Mr. worry about your upcoming Presidential run while people die in the big dig and leave your state transportation and roads in a big black hole).
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And publish how many jobs were lost under “Magic Mittens” Romney and outsourced overseas. That will play well to MI, OH and PA. :)
And I agree that Biden will be a GREAT pick, the Veep needs to be a bulldog on the campaign trail and Biden is great at that!
Posted by: Maverickity | July 28, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
I never lost my shirt but I do know more than McCain on the economy.
and I am not suited to run my town board never mind run for President…
and yes Mccain know s less than I do on the economy..
I have seen him talk about (barely) at four different junctures in person.
He was right…he’s not an economist.
Posted by: dl | July 28, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Just being fired by Bush is enough validation for me. If Bush had listened to General Shinseki at the outset of the Iraq war and put 250,000 troops on the ground for occupation, the insurgency never would have got off the ground. Bush didn’t listen to Shinseki, who then “resigned”. Bush also disagreed with his economic advisors, and look at where we are now. It’s going to take a lot of hard work and cooperation from both sides to get us out of the mess that Bush has put us in and, quite frankly, I don’t think McCain is up to it. Obama is already working on it.
Posted by: Dave880 | July 28, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
soetoro no
I can answer that… Obama.
I like the guy who consults with a team of 300.
Better than a guy who listens to nobody and makes our foreign policy WORSE!
sound familiar?
Posted by: dl | July 28, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Not surprised that Obama would seek out Bush advisors seing as how O is a clone of the Bush candidate; thin on experience, promising pie in the sky, arrogant (though Bush waited to show his smirk until after he was elected) and prone to an adolescents changing the subject and going off on ppoor me tangents when he gets busted with the truth.
Neither should we be surprised that with all his talk of working together, he can`t get along with Joe Lieberman on the Senate floor.
Also like Bush, all Obama seems to do “really well” is let his campaign marketing firm help him win elections.
Posted by: Luke | July 28, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Obama will be the best President we have seen in 30 years. We will be proud of our Country once again, finally!
Posted by: Aston | July 28, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
RIDDLE ME THIS: What candidate needs 300 foreign policy advisers to tell him what he thinks?===All of them.You didnt think ANY president is all alone in that big white house did you?Ok, mebbe 300 is a bit much,but Obama realizes where he is lacking and trying to fill in the gaps.As scary as this guy is I have to admire his wisdom.Still aint voting for him though.
Posted by: Symphony of Destruction | July 28, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Maverickity says that the two former Bush economic advisors are “scums that almost destroyed the economy and were fired.” Isn’t it ironic that the person most responsible for the housing downfall and the Enron debacle is McCain’s economic kingpin. Some people are so filled with hate that they can’t see the brick wall when it’s pounding their nose to a pulp. MCCain himself said he knows very little about the economy. The difference between McCain and Obama, is Obama is not to old to learn or so narrow minded that he will not listen to other opinions.
Remember, getting a plane shot down from under you and being a POW does not mean you’d make a good, or even mediocre President.
Posted by: algwriter | July 28, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Obama: Just right for people who prefer spin to substance!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 28, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Hey Luke
I also am … as you say
“Not surprised that Obama would seek out Bush advisors seing as how Mccain is a clone of the Bush candidate; thin on judgement, threatening pie in the sky, aggresive (though Bush waited to show his smirk until after he was elected) and prone to an adolescents changing the subject and going off on poor me tangents when he gets busted with the truth.
and or just plain not being able to answer…
Neither should we be surprised that with all his talk of judgement and experience, he actually still gets along with Joe Lieberman on the Senate floor.
Also like Bush, all Mccain seems to do “really well” is let his campaign scaring and smeering firm help him win elections.
Posted by: dl | July 28, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Obama is setting his tables. He will be ready on day one.
Posted by: becky | July 28, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
p0s3r – The only energy plan that Bush and Cheney envisioned is the one playing itself out now as we get bent over at the gas pump on a daily basis while their oil buddies enrich themselves at our expense. As for Bush’s foreign policy, their was none except for “have big gun – fear me” Geez, look around at the reality of our situation and quit having your beliefs handed to you by Fox fake news…
Posted by: DaveM | July 28, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Things I do not like Obama:
1. His turncoat vote on FISA
2. His failure to stand up strongly for abortion rights, instead talking about how ‘feeling blue’ shouldn’t justify an abortion — as if that’s what’s going on with women thinking about abortions
3. Calling women sweetie and cutie
4. His failure in judgment in attending TUCC for twenty years
5. His disingenuous statement that this Rev Wright is ‘not the man he knew’
Posted by: Sick of Obama | July 28, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
O’Neill and Donaldson are people with integrity who got driven out of the Bush circle. Very positive to draw all the principled, knowledgeable folk on both sides together to fix the economy. This I like. Those “Obama Uber Alles” speeches to “The People of the World” I can very much do without. The Ba-Rock Star needs to come down to earth and engage and solve the crushing problems facing average Americans.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | July 28, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
The slick marketing Obama campaign might have failed in Berlin according to the Der Spiegel a German magazine. According to the magazine the audience left with mixed feelings because most could see a problem with Obama’s philosophies. It is not physical barriers “walls” that separate, it is that Christians, Muslims, Jews, and so forth wants protection to live with their defining beliefs that make them different from other cultures in the World—not a physical wall. So in essence he is going to try to bring down the walls, or change the defining beliefs of powerful nations of the World. This sounds like major war forthcoming.
Obama apologized to Europe for his countries mistakes—“We’ve made a lot of mistakes” but then finishes with “I know how much I love America”. Which begs the question if there are any more debates without teleprompters can someone ask Obama what is it he loves about America? Truthfully, I haven’t heard one thing from his mouth since he has started this campaign….we are a “broken system” according to Obama, and his wife said “This is the first time I’ve ever been proud of my country” when they nominated her husband. Both of these people have missed the boat. I want my President to not down my country, but to point out its benefits! We do not need to “change” America, we need to “improve” America. We do not need “faith” in Obama and government, we need to roll up our sleeves and see that the corrections are made.
Posted by: Mike | July 28, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Kurt — Your post indicates that Obama “stole” Hillary’s ecomonic plan. FYI — All presidential candidates had to submit their policy proposals. Obama submitted his economic proposal in the spring of 2007. Hillary submitted hers in the fall of 2007…after “making needed updates”.
Do the math.
Posted by: Just Me | July 28, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
…ANOTHER REASON NOT TO VOTE FOR SENATOR OBAMA !!!
Posted by: COLOGERO | July 28, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
SickofObama,
You are taking a 30 second sound bite from Rev Wright and turning into an issue? That church did not preach hate, no matter what you have heard on Fox News or read in your e-mail box. Do some research for yourself. Low info voters got us Boosh and Iraq. Educate and think for yourself.
Posted by: Aston | July 28, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Things I do not like about Obama:
6. The way he claims credit for taking this heroic stand against the Iraq war, when in reality at the time he was a measly state senator from a liberal district so it entailed no political risk
7. His plan for a second stimulus is just vote pandering and is a horrible idea because it would increase the deficit, increase inflation, and contribute to the sinking of the dollar
8. His pandering to the religious right, including that disturbing flyer that had him standing in a pulpit as if he were a priest (messiah?)
9. His unwillingness to engage in debates, even as he says “I am happy to have a debate” over and over again
10. His low-rent tactics against Alice Palmer in Chicgao
Posted by: Sick of Obama | July 28, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Can’t Obama ever think of anything by himself? What decisions can he make on his own? Too many cooks spoil the stew.
Posted by: Anne C | July 28, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
MY BAG. Sorry “Nobodys fool” that email was supposed to be sent to all Obama advisers showing how much we love Obama.
Posted by: dl.. | July 28, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
6. The way he claims credit for taking this heroic stand against the Iraq war, when in reality at the time he was a measly state senator from a liberal district so it entailed no political risk
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Have you ever READ the speech? Read it. Really makes sense today. Especially the part about Exxon Mobil. The guy had it right in 2002. Spot on!
Posted by: Aston | July 28, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Things I do not like about Obama
11. The way he spent so little time in the US Senate actually BEING a Senator, and instead spent his time involved in self-indulgent activities only to get ahead — including writing his ‘memoirs’
12. The fact that he did not hold a single hearing for his subcommittee in the Senate
13. How he said that Iran was a grave threat, and that it wasn’t a grave threat, all in the space of 48 hours
14. The fact that his campaign released that Keith Olbermann video on HRC’s statement on RFK Jr.
15. His trashing of the public financing system and resorting to raising money from big-dollar corporatist donors
Posted by: Sick of Obama | July 28, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
I am so cool to work for Obama, For the first time in my life i am proud to be an American
Posted by: Ast0n | July 28, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Sick of Obama – who cares? Obama is running rings around old man McSame and all McSame can do is whine like a baby. Obama is clearly outcampaigning McSame and he wants the job more. I say give the guy a chance – he can’t do any worse than Bush or the GOP has over the last 8 years.
Posted by: mad mike | July 28, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Things I do not like about Obama
16. The way he called working class folks bitter and said that they cling to guns and religion
17. The fact that he is a first term junior Senator and yet is somehow magically qualified to be President
18. His messianic tone during his speeches and encouragement of a cult of personality. Included in this item are his disturbingly aggressive marketing activities, including urging kids to join the Obama bandwagon and requiring that ticketholders at Invesco stadium during the convention go out and register voters (as if having 75000 people in stadium to hear you speak isn’t enough)
19. His incredibly weak work record, including the strangely vague “community activist” job, which appears to amount to little more than a get-out-the-vote effort for himself
20. His association with Rezko, a slumlord who benefitted from the exploitation of poor folks Obama is supposedly dedicated to protecting.
Posted by: Sick of Obama | July 28, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Aston…no YOU will be proud of your country if Obama wins. Don’t speak for me…I will be scared for our country if Obama wins.
Posted by: BabsNJ | July 28, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
I really thought Obama was going to be a breath of fresh air to Washington. But after he dissed American Soldiers, Played dirty politics with the Clintons. I have no choice but to vote for PRESIDENT MCCAIN
Posted by: head on | July 28, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
head on – give me a break. It’s not like you were ever going to vote for Obama anyway. LOL
Posted by: nicola | July 28, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Steve…you’d better step back and look at Obama’s platform. He is 360 degrees from Bush. These advisors were fired from the Bush admin. because they tried to encourage Bush to change his policies long ago. He just wouldn’t do it…look at us now.
Posted by: truthtell | July 28, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
At least we know now that Obama will be the same as BUSH on the Economy and McCain will be different.
Posted by: tax boy | July 28, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Obama is a know nothing do nothing senator.
I see the obama camp on here will protect him no matter what HE DOES. bush like 1/3 of the nation loves bush NO MATTER what.
it is a cult of personality
obama spent 1.5 years attacking hillary’s plan on iraq and healthcare only to adopt her subtle views on iraq. and her progressive views on healthcare.
“To note, this is an adoption of a part of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s health care plan — and one that Obama gave Clinton direct credit for during his announcement.
“Today, I’m announcing an aspect to my plan to provide real relief for small business owners who are crushed by rising costs, an idea championed by my friend Hillary Clinton, who’s been leading the way in our battle to insure every American,” Obama said. “It’s a plan that would help more employers provide health benefits for their workers — instead of making it harder for them, as Senator [John] McCain would do.”
On a conference call earlier in the day the Obama campaign danced around the issue of giving credit solely to Clinton for the development of his health care plan…
Posted by: Kurt | July 28, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
@mike: “According to the magazine the audience left with mixed feelings because most could see a problem with Obama’s philosophies.”
Indeed. Fishing in the waters of religious differences is sure to jump the shark. The west has a terrible time because they have to simultaneously protect religious plurality while fighting an enemy that preaches and practices violent religious subordination.
Obama’s philosophy comes down to “we can all just get alone and I’ll see to that” which means he puts himself above all relgious plurality. It simply doesn’t work. That is why the US has separation of church and state as a high principle of government. Claiming he can magically bring these polarities together is a part of the Obama Creep Factor.
All a democracy can do is enforce its laws. It cannot enforce beliefs. Obama is playing with the most volatile mixture of cultural division, religious division and racial division a candidate could possibly pick, meanwhile apologizing to the world for the very people he needs to vote for him. That’s a witches brew.
Posted by: len | July 28, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
I can see Obama seeking the best there is for the job. Even if that means hiring from Bush. It sort of shows that even if Obama claims the Bush administration was rotten to the core he is admitting that the Bush staff is not as bad as he and the liberals claim. Because he needs them.
Posted by: John | July 28, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Obama is bringing back order in Washington. He is taking the best and brightest, whether they are Republican and Democrat. He will create only plans that benefit all Americans and makes everything right again. THE leader has come, and he is Obama!
Posted by: what | July 28, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Things I do not like about Obama
21. His pandering flip-flop on Jerusalem, wherein he stated in the space of days that it must remain undivided, and then that its status must be negotiated
22. His notorious comments about his grandmother (you know what I am talking about)
23. His campaign’s resorting to low tactics in South Carolina, including disturbing comments about Hillary Clinton’s claim that LBJ and MLK had to work together to get the Civil Rights Act passed
24. His well-reported failure to meet the troops recently
25. “You’re likeable enough, Hillary”
Posted by: Sick of Obama | July 28, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
tax boy – Wrong – McCain wants to extend Bush’s disasterous tax cuts for the rich and make them permanent. Obama was simply including Bush’s people in the conversation – it hardly means that he is going to embrace the same disasterous economic policies as Bush. You see REAL leaders actually listen to all sides of an argument before making a decision – I know that confuses you after 8 years of Bush. but you’ll get used to having a real leader in the White House again eventually.
Posted by: ambrose | July 28, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
I never seen a person divide the country as much as Obama. He is more of a divider than a uniter. And his supporters are the most hateful in the world
Posted by: what. | July 28, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
I just earned my Obama Adviser pay for the day
Posted by: ambrose. | July 28, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Obama: There’s nothing he won’t plagiarize!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 28, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Seems like Obama is more of Bush 3 than McCain is! How about THAT, all you Democrat Bush-haters?
Posted by: Sharky | July 28, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
“McCain is running such a lousy, disorganized campaign.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | July 28, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Kurt – Hillary lost fair and square. Stop whining and get over it already.
Posted by: Magic Juan | July 28, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Senator Obama is all talk and no substance and adding 300 oh-so-smart advisers will not make me vote for a dud. I know of no one in my family or group of friends who believe the empty suit. He has flip-flopped on nearly every important issue to date. His throwing our wounded under the bus is just an indication of this man values and character. NO WAY, OBAMA. Go home and write your next book, “The Audacity of Hype”. You are a showman and a fake, not a honorable statesman.
Posted by: Mary | July 28, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Most Republicans, including John McCain, favor more offshore drilling. Most Democrats, including Barack Obama, oppose more offshore drilling. Obama, Feinstein, Pelosi and the gang are utterly clueless. Just tax, tax and hot air.
Posted by: rktsci3127 | July 28, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Things I do not like about Obama
26. His unwillingness to stand up for the voters of Michigan and Florida, and indeed democratic principles. Allowing his surrogates essentially to sandbag any possibility of a democratic re-vote in those states.
27. The fact that, even as our national debt is crushing the United States, he has made no commitment to balance the federal budget.
28. His numerous “present votes”
29. His failure to endorse true universal healthcare in order to pander to a certain subsegment of young voters
30. His narcissistic and condescending speechifying — “just words.”
Posted by: Sick of Obama | July 28, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Obama: “Don’t worry. My followers believe anything I say”.
Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 28, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Obama just went to Europe to throw America under the BUS
Posted by: ambrose. | July 28, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
“THE leader has come, and he is Obama!”
Posted by: Belle Starr | July 28, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
The only order in Washington is the drinking and whining . How come Obama never explains the type of change that HIS people will inflict upon the American people if he got elected. can any liberal tell anyone what that will be? What no answer? Why do you libs avoid talking about what kind of change he is talking about with out being so vague no one knows what was said.
Posted by: Jim | July 28, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Mary – what’s wrong with having alot of advisors? From the looks of things Bush and McCain could use all the advisors and help they can get. I will never understand the crazy resentment of education and expertise among you low-information Republican voters. You seem to hate anybody who is more succesful than you but still vote for Republican millionaires who you think would “have a beer” with you – but who just use you and throw you away. Too funny.
Posted by: ambrose | July 28, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
It is so nice to see so many Americans finally seeing that Obama is not qualified to be president. He is just like the cell phone the razor. It is the same as every other cell phone but it has been so overly marketed that people think they have to have it. Come on America we can deal with McCain for 4 years instead of the grossly under-qualified Obama for 8 years. You are too smart to vote for someone like Obama that thinks himself so high and mighty that he has to talk down to the rest of the country.
I love all my fellow anti-Obama bloggers!
Posted by: hmmm | July 28, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
From the Tax Policy Center – Urban Institute and Brookings Institution:
Tax and fiscal policy will loom large in the next president’s domestic policy agenda. Nearly all of the tax cuts enacted since 2001 expire at the end of 2010. The individual alternative minimum tax (AMT) threatens to ensnare tens of millions of Americans in a web of pointless complexity and higher taxes, but a permanent fix palatable to both political parties has proven elusive. In the past year, the federal budget deficit has ballooned, and, more worrisome, large projected increases in spending on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will put unprecedented demands on federal government revenue sources in the coming decades.
Fundamental reform of our tax system is one way to resolve these problems, but, at least in part because reform creates both winners and losers, the leading presidential candidates have not addressed it seriously. Nonetheless, both candidates have proposed major changes to the nation’s tax laws. Senator McCain would permanently extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, increase deductions for taxpayers supporting dependents, reduce the corporate income tax rate, and allow immediate deductions for investments in certain capital equipment. Senator Obama would permanently extend certain provisions of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts primarily affecting taxpayers with incomes under $250,000 but repeal the cuts in the top two marginal income tax rates ahead of their scheduled expiration in 2010; increase the maximum rate on capital gains; raise the top tax rate on qualified dividends from its current level (but keep it below pre-2001 levels); and enact new and expanded targeted tax breaks for workers, retirees, homeowners, savers, students, and new farmers. Senator McCain proposes to extend permanently and increase the AMT “patch” that has prevented most individuals and families with incomes below $200,000 from being affected by the tax and lowered the tax for others, and in our interpretation of his proposal, Senator Obama would also extend the patch. Each candidate would also increase the estate tax exemption and reduce the estate tax rate compared with current law in 2011 and beyond, although Senator McCain would cut the tax much more than Senator Obama. Finally, each candidate promises to broaden the tax base and reduce corporate loopholes. McCain lists eight breaks for oil companies as targets but, other than that, is short on details for his pledge to eliminate “corporate welfare.” Obama identifies a variety of steps, including basis reporting for capital gains, taxing carried interest as ordinary income, and enacting sanctions on international tax havens that don’t cooperate with enforcement efforts, but he would also need additional as-yet-unspecified policies to achieve his revenue target for base broadening.
Although both candidates have at times stressed fiscal responsibility, their specific non-health tax proposals would reduce tax revenues by an estimated $4.2 trillion (McCain) and $2.8 trillion (Obama) over the next 10 years. Both candidates argue that their proposals should be scored against a “current policy” baseline instead of current law. Such a baseline assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts would be extended and the AMT patch made permanent. Against current policy, Senator Obama’s proposals would raise $800 billion and Senator McCain’s proposals lose $600 billion.
The two candidates’ tax plans would have sharply different distributional effects. Senator McCain’s tax cuts would primarily benefit those with very high incomes, almost all of whom would receive large tax cuts that would, on average, raise their after-tax incomes by more than twice the average for all households. Many fewer households at the bottom of the income distribution would get tax cuts and those tax cuts would be small as a share of after-tax income. In marked contrast, Senator Obama offers much larger tax breaks to low- and middle-income
taxpayers and would increase taxes on high-income taxpayers. The largest tax cuts, as a share of income, would go to those at the bottom of the income distribution, while taxpayers with the highest income would see their taxes rise significantly.
The impact of the tax code on economic activity under each candidate’s policies would differ in several important ways. Under Senator McCain’s proposed policies, the top marginal rates (35 percent on individual income and 25 percent on corporate income) would be significantly lower than under Senator Obama’s plan (39.6 and 35 percent, respectively). McCain’s reduced individual and corporate rates could improve economic efficiency and increase domestic investment, but the larger future deficits would reduce and might completely negate any positive effect. In contrast, Senator Obama’s proposed new tax credits could encourage desirable behavior, particularly if the childless EITC and payroll tax rebate encourage additional labor supply among childless low-income individuals. However, he would also direct new subsidies at an already favored group—seniors —and an already favored activity—homeownership—which could probably be better directed elsewhere.
In several important ways, the candidates’ speeches and web sites differ from the plans as we’ve outlined them above, and, in several cases, descriptions of proposals provided by campaign advisors strike us as implausible. Senator McCain has said repeatedly that he would repeal the individual AMT, allow businesses to expense all investments in equipment immediately, double the deduction for dependents, and give individuals the option to pay tax under a simplified alternative tax system. The campaign advisers say that the AMT will be patched but not eliminated except under the simplified alternative system, that only short-lived investments (for which expensing is not worth much) would qualify for immediate deduction, that the larger deduction for dependents would phase in slowly (and never equal twice the current-law deduction), and that the simplified alternative tax system would be revenue neutral. The last assertion is particularly questionable: few taxpayers will choose to pay an alternative tax if it does not reduce their tax bill, so an optional alternative is only revenue neutral if almost nobody elects it, which is probably not what the candidate has in mind. We estimated the cost of Senator McCain’s plan as described on the stump, assuming that all the provisions are fully effective immediately and that the optional alternative tax system is similar to the one proposed by the Republican Study Committee. Under those assumptions, the revenue loss attributable to the Senator’s plan increases to almost $7 trillion over the 10-year budget window.
Senator Obama’s proposal to exempt seniors with income below $50,000 from income tax but continue full taxation starting at $50,001 also strikes us as impractical and undesirable. Any actual legislation would have some kind of phaseout to avoid a “cliff” at $50,000. Also, Senator Obama has spoken often about subjecting high-income taxpayers to additional taxes to help shore up Social Security, although his campaign advisers insist that there is no specific proposal. We estimated the cost of Senator Obama’s proposals assuming all of the provisions are fully effective immediately, that the seniors’ exemption would phase out over a $10,000 income range, and that the Social Security proposal would impose a 2 percent income tax surtax on adjusted gross incomes over $250,000 and a 2 percent payroll tax paid by employers on employees’ earnings above that threshold. Under those assumptions, the Senator’s proposals would reduce revenues by $2.4 trillion over 10 years, or about $367 billion less than the proposals as described by his campaign advisers.
Posted by: devilkev | July 28, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
“Belle Star – yeah, good luck with that crackpot scenario. You wingnuts really are desperate.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | July 28, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Belle Star – no Republican will ever do that. They claim to be for individual freedom and less government, but the reality is that Republicans are classic fascists who want to grow the security state and give it supreme police powers over the people. If you really care about domestic freedom and individual rights, don’t vote for the GOP.
Posted by: bosco | July 28, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
leo the greek
Yeah – sure.
Posted by: Aston | July 28, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Magic Juan– Hillary did not “lose” fair and square. books are being written about this topic. but to focus on one thing for sake of brevity:
look at caucus states- hillary won by 101,000 in PA and got less delegates than he did from idaho(obama won by 19,000). same for NJ(won by 102,000) vs kansas same for PA vs washington caucus etc etc
obama ignored michigan and florida
obama used karl rove tactics to attack her on nafta and healthcare only to come out and say nafta is not that bad.
HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE, the electoral vote and the majority of swings states AND the traditional democratic states.
that is not fair.
and i will never get over it.
i will tell you the same thing when
mccain wins.
Posted by: Kurt | July 28, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Maybe Obama’s “need” for hundreds of advisors has more to do with getting all prominent voices on his side than it has to do with getting advice.
Posted by: Barb in MN | July 28, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
What did Obama really do as a ‘community organizer’?
Posted by: Just Curious | July 28, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
I’m a flaming liberal, and I can tell you that Paul O’Neill is a good guy. He was appointed by Bush to be his treasury secretary but left because he found Bush and boys wanted to cut taxes which O’Neill projected would cause a $500 billion deficit (Sound familiar? The prez just said he expects the deficit to be $490 billion.). He also wanted to investigate al Qaeda funding by US allies and was nixed. O’Neill was one of the saner guys in the Bush administration.
Another thing — Abraham Lincoln. Remember him? He appointed his political enemies to his cabinet to keep them in line. Historians say it worked. Why not try it again???
Posted by: pol | July 28, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
In a year of terrible economy, high gas prices, very unpopular war, very unpopular incumbent, and Obama is almost tied in polls with a republican! Tell me about a weak candidate. If the candidate was Ms. Clinton, she would be leading by 20 points!
Obama spent millions in his ego trip to Europe, only to screw it by not visiting the wounded soldiers. His big speech in Germany brought thousands of people luring them with free rock concert and free food, like he did in Portland, just to ‘look presidential’. Yeah, looks is very important. Because Americans are stupid, you know. All those bitter people…
Posted by: DoughBoy | July 28, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
I am increasingly concerned about McCain who does not know the difference between Shia and Sunni. He confused Iraq borders with Pakistan, is this age think or Is it what he claims to have “Foreign Relation experience” . I would rather see him as himself, Maverick than pleasing the right wing; as I am independent voter.
Posted by: John Drew | July 28, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
“What did Obama really do as a ‘community organizer’”
Not much. His community is like a war zone. They need a surge.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Hey Barack Obama is going to be your PRESIDENT …Get used to it.
John McSurge- Game over.
Posted by: My | July 28, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Democrats for McCain!!
Because Obama is a grossly under-qualified and grossly over-marketed politician.
Lets raise the bar after Bush not lower it.
Posted by: Jeff | July 28, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Maybe McCain should appoint the Clinton’s and Obama to his staff to keep and eye on them?
Posted by: Grant | July 28, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
So what do you Obama fans think about Obama’s speech writer being a 26 year old? Obama’s ability to inspire is someone else’s words(Well, in addition to the rest of his speeches that have all been plagiarized). Pretty much what it boils down to is Obama is good at giving speeches and that is it.
Posted by: Joe | July 28, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Kurt,
the democretic primary and caucus system you STILL cry about is a system Bill & Hillary put together while being leaders of the party for over 16 years. they if anyone should be masters of the democratic primary system. no Obama mastered the system in less than a year. Hillary dosen’t need your pity baggage…let’s move on
Posted by: so | July 28, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
joe
get a grip, most presidents and candidates have young speech writers, do some research
Posted by: really | July 28, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
“In a year of terrible economy, high gas prices, very unpopular war, very unpopular incumbent, and Obama is almost tied in polls with a republican! Tell me about a weak candidate” posted by doughboy. This is so true it’s scary. I hope Hillary is hanging tough, because he will bow out before this whole thing is through, he doesn’t have the strength or stamina. He doesn’t have a clue on how to manage a $400 billion dollar deficit. He just wants to be a rockstar!!
Posted by: ontheverge07 | July 28, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
At this point, all I can say is that if obama gets elected, then, “For the first time in my life I will Not be proud of America”
Posted by: sayuncle | July 28, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
“So what do you Obama fans think about Obama’s speech writer being a 26 year old?”
I think it’s awesome.
Posted by: JR | July 28, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Let’s be honest…..
He’s as close as he is in the polls for two reasons…..He’s black and many americans still aren’t ready to move forward. I promise you if he were a white canidate, there would be a significant greater margin between he and the old man.
That’s what scary…..as far as we’ve come we still have along way to go.
Posted by: TW | July 28, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
sayuncle: At this point, all I can say is that if obama gets elected, then, “For the first time in my life I will Not be proud of America”
now you know how the majority of the country felt when Bush took office
Posted by: dmtallman | July 28, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
McCain wouldn’t win even with Jesus as his running mate.
Posted by: oopsie | July 28, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
I think its funny that all the little o has done in the past 6 months is bash Bush’s policies. Then he hires Bush’s advisors…..ROFL
Posted by: tigger | July 28, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
July 27, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama 49%, McCain 40%
Third day with Obama holding a significant lead over McCain
• USA
• Election 2008
• Gallup Daily
• Americas
• Northern America
PRINCETON, NJ — Barack Obama now leads John McCain among national registered voters by a 49% to 40% margin in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 24-26.
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July 26, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama Retains Lead, 48% to 41%
Second day with Obama holding a significant lead over McCain
• USA
• Election 2008
• Gallup Daily
• Americas
• Northern America
PRINCETON, NJ — Barack Obama has stretched his lead over John McCain among national registered voters to seven percentage points, 48% to 41%, in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 23-25.
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This is why McSame is becoming such a pathetic figure. Obama will beat him into the ground come November. And, McSame knows there isn’t anything he can do to stop it. McSame’s attacks will become even more negative as the election approaches. But, these attacks will only prove that McSame is devoid of any ideas as to how to clean up the mess left by the Bush/Cheney Administration. Obama 08!!!
Posted by: caliguy55 | July 28, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
I have to say that the McCain campaign is the worst I have evert seen. Who thought that going to a German restaurant was a counterpoint to Obama speaking in front of 200,000 in Berlin? Why was nobody fired for making McCain look like he should be retired?
Posted by: Sanity Man | July 28, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
dmtallman….I’m with you.
They elected him not once….. but TWICE. And now they’re all wondering why were in the mess were in now!
Ahhh…..BUSH
Posted by: TW | July 28, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
fyi, O’Neill was the subject of Suskind’s book not a coauthor (as your wording would seem to claim).
Posted by: Crust | July 28, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
I think what we are seeing is that he is building a diverse(opinions) group that will hopefully reach the bipartisan nerve of Congress. There is still hope that Congress will change from its current strategy to represent themselves rather than the public who voted for them.
Posted by: Don | July 28, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
The hand writing is on the wall. McSame is going down the toilet where he belongs. Sen. Obama is proving to us that he is truly willing to work across the isle to tackle the significant issues confronting our country today. Sen. Obama is exactly the leader we need at this point in time. Obama 08!!!
Posted by: caliguy55 | July 28, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
TW your comment is so true, as an American of Hispanic decent I can’t agree with you more, if thius was a Whiote guy with no substance, there would be no media coverage, no throngs of adoring Germans , who by the way think David Hasselhoff is a rock star too, and they also loved Hitler with his oratory abilities and look what happened there. Wake up America, this guys is all talk and no substance
Posted by: Ray Lopez | July 28, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
TW…Wrong! If he were white, the second anything even close to the rev. Wright rant (not to mention his other racist ties) came out then the white obama would be drummed out of this country.
Posted by: sam | July 28, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
SO- I am NOT moving on. I will keep fighting until Obama loses. Bill Clinton was responsible for the democratic primary system. get your facts straight. its been around for a long time. superdelegates have been around for decades too.
i am not moving on
i am not voting obama EVER
he will make bush II look good after 1 year if gets elected
if the world loves him so much (they dont- dont believe the hype they are skepetical too) he should run for the president of the world.
Posted by: Kurt | July 28, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Bush is notorious for dancing to his own drum….You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
Obama on the other hand, realize their potential and is willing to utilize their expertise.
Posted by: TW | July 28, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
In a year of terrible economy, record high gas prices, very unpopular war, very unpopular incumbent, and Obama is almost tied in polls with a republican!
Tell me about a WEAK candidate.
If the candidate was Ms. Clinton, she would be leading by 20 points!
Posted by: DoughBoy | July 28, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
“Sen. Obama is proving to us that he is truly willing to work across the isle to tackle the significant issues confronting our country today.”
He has absolutely no record of working across the aisle. McCain does. Check your facts. He makes speeches about unity, because it makes people feel good. He talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk. Poser.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Republicans who thinks Obama is “inexperienced” are wrong. Democrats who think Obama is “liberal” are wrong. This man is a clever, experienced Chicago pol. It will take a Centrist leader to heal 8 years of divisive fear, 8 years of outrage and mistrust.
Posted by: Center One | July 28, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Speaking of advisers, I wonder just who advised McCain’s recent decision to reportedly release his VP announcement August 29, one day after Senator Obama accepts the Democratic nomination. Aug. 29 also happens to be McCain’s birthday. I wonder which event will grab the most headlines, the birthday, or VP announcement?
Posted by: devilkev | July 28, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
“They elected him not once….. but TWICE. And now they’re all wondering why were in the mess were in now!”
True.
That is why those who voted Bush twice should not whine about the economy or anything since they are the main contributer of this country’s mess.
Posted by: Mark | July 28, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
DoughBoy – Obama is not “almost tied” with anybody. He is substantially ahead in both national and swing-state polls, and seems to be gaining.
Posted by: jock59801 | July 28, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Sam,
I can give less than a darn about Rev Wright, Obama’s religion, his wife or any of that crap……I care about taxes, healthcare, the war and the future of my Children and their children.
I guess our priorities are different.
Posted by: TW | July 28, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Mack – bla, bla, bla. I don’t care. He’s making the right moves now and that’s what counts. I’m voting for Obama because the alternative is so very much worse. McCain has nothing to offer but war, war and more war. No thanks.
Posted by: Nadine Lisica | July 28, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Are there any good republicans left who support McCain?
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
hes not tied, he leads mcsame by almost 10pts in the latest polls, and the leaad is getting wider, get your facts straight and stop posting lies.
Posted by: TJ | July 28, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
What I find interesting is how all those that oppose having an articulate (unlike Bush), street smart (unlike Bush), experienced businessman (unlike Bush), culturally adept individual, like Obama, want to continue perpetuating and spreading such a high degree of ignorance. Anyone knows that the best way to make a sound decision is to get as much information as possible. Accepting advise from former Bush advisers is one of the best ways to understand how we got into the bloody mess we are in. Learn from the past and create a better tomorrow.
George W. Bush is nothing but a school yard bully and wants everyone to believe that he is their bodyguard.
Someone mentioned that Obama will back out and Hillary will become the Democratic nominee. What drugs are you taking?
Obama has shown tremendous strength, loyalty, leadership, and intelligence. Why is that so threatening to all of you that oppose him?
It seems that it is much easier for you to embrace fear, anger and pain, rather than embrace peace. Fear is used to control.
Posted by: saddened | July 28, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Mack – Obama has sponsored a number of bills with Republican colleagues. “Check your facts,” indeed.
Posted by: jock59801 | July 28, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Since Bush has totally trashed the economy I hope what Obama is learning from O’Neill and Donaldson is what NOT to do! PLEASE, Senator Obama…whatever they tell you, do the opposite!
Posted by: RR Morgan | July 28, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
His lead is irrelevant Nationally, he needs a 9 point lead in all the right states…remember, Gore won the popular vote. He has to win in places where he is unlikely to win. Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Texas…
Posted by: Dan Reese | July 28, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Kurt – that’s nice, but nobody gives a crap if you fight or not. Obama will still win without you.
Posted by: kimbers | July 28, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Let me get this right. First Obama slams President Bush on his failed economic polices, now has two of Bush’s advisers join him as advisers. So I must ask, so according to Obama’s actions was President Bush’s economic polices good or bad?
Posted by: pumphouseplus | July 28, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
It really proves when you dumb down American and their debt keeps them from paying attention – they will vote another moron in!!! Go McBush!!! 884 out of 888 in his class!!! Hard to believe someone is dumber than Bush!!!!
Posted by: Vernon | July 28, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
“experienced businessman (unlike Bush),”
That is the biggest joke of all. The great pretender. He’s not a presidential candidate, he just plays one on TV.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
My word processor is whacked today sorry:
I hope that democrats do not drop the ball or go to sleep at the wheel and forget to vote in November. It will take more then polls to secure the presidency for Obama. We as American voters need to turn out in record numbers to support Barack Obama to become the next president of the USA.
I am so tired of McShame and the RNC attacks against another American with the patrotism rhetoric.
I hope and pray that Americans realize just how negative the RNC’s campaign has been during this campaign. Make them pay across the board and vote democratic in every state election this year. A democratic Congress would turn our economy around pronto.
Now that is CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. As ordinary Americans together
YES WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Lou | Jul 28, 2008 11:12:16 AM———————That won’t happen, too much alienation of democrats by other democrats, too much racial division. Just too many accusations that aren’t accurate. I won’t get behind him and vote for someone just because he is democrat. His ideas and plans on his website I have issues with. I have issues with his voting record, I have issues with his associations. I have a HUGE issue with letting babies who survive abortion attempts just die instead of saving them. These are just some of the issues I have.
Posted by: Cathy6224 | July 28, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Obama came from a welfare mom and is worth millions. Without the benefit of marrying into the money or inheriting it, how else did he earn it other than by being an experienced businessman?
Posted by: saddened | July 28, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
“McCain has nothing to offer but war, war and more war. No thanks.”
That’s a joke right? Barry has his sights set on Pakistan. A country that has many nuclear weapons. Talk about a disaster.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Dan Reese – actually, according to no less an electoral authority than Karl Rove, Obama can probably win even if he loses all the swing states: The consulting firm headed by Karl Rove is out with the latest in its series of Electoral College maps, and this one (available in PDF form here) shows Barack Obama coasting to a win over John McCain. This newest map, which is put together based on averages of state-by-state polling, differs sharply from other maps that the firm produced in May. Those had shown Hillary Clinton beating McCain but Obama trailing. Now, Rove’s firm sees Obama winning 22 states, plus the District of Columbia, for a total of 272 Electoral College votes — two more than the 270 needed for victory. McCain has 21 states and 183 Electoral College votes in his column, and seven states, which combine for a total of 83 Electoral College votes, are considered tossups. There’s some very good news in here for Obama. NBC’s First Read blog observes that “per this map — right now — Obama could lose every toss-up state (Ohio, New Hampshire, Florida, Nevada) and still win the presidential election.” As First Read also notes, though, the recent polling from Quinnipiac that showed Obama trending down in four potentially key states — Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin — was not taken into account. (The map shows Obama winning all four states.) A graph of the trend in polling that accompanies the map is also interesting; it shows Obama way up overall — and McCain way down — since early June.
Posted by: rico suavecito | July 28, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
The two advisers are the only good ones who left Bush administration out to frustration by Bush bad boys to allow them change things. Obama is right to work with them.
Posted by: Rawlings | July 28, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Who is leading the campaign? McCain is and has been, and will continue to be, in a place of reacting to Obama, the LEADER!
Posted by: saddened | July 28, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Talk about 4 more years of Bush! Now if you vote for Obama you get Bush’s policy makers. Lovely.
Posted by: Gary | July 28, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
“Mr. McCain is running the absolute most pathetic campaign I have ever seen in my whole life. His campaign is just heartbreakingly pathetic. He is a very impressive guy. He is a brave guy, but he is running the most lackluster campaign I have ever seen in my entire life. I would have thought Bob Dole’s campaign would have set a record for poor campaigns, but this one is even worse. I mean it is shocking.”
– Republican Ben Stein
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The Republicans are getting very very nervous.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Kimbers- You better pray and hope he wins this election. he is only tied in the polls with mccain and doing relatively poorly(compared to kerry and hillary clinton) in some traditional democratic states and swing states like missouri, virginia, colarado
after 8 years of bush to be only TIED is absolutely PATHETIC.
Posted by: Kurt | July 28, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Mack – and McSame has his sights set on Iran. The only difference is that the guy who actually attacked us on 9/11 is probably hiding in Pakistan. Obama is right again. DUH!
Posted by: Nadine Lisica | July 28, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
THANK YOU Paul O’Neill. This guy recognized that the Bush Administration SUCKED from day one. Read the The Price of Loyalty before you start calling him a “Bushie” . You will see that he actually has integrity and intelligence.
Posted by: maria | July 28, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
What role did these advisors have in putting us $9.5 trillion in to debt? Given the size of the national debt — are they the best people to be advising anybody?
Their exit may not necessarily be a bad thing at this point in time. Now the question is — did they exit or where they asked to leave?
Posted by: AND THE BENEFIT OF THIS IS? | July 28, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Sen. Obama does not need Bush economists! Jeeze, that is why we are in this fix.
Posted by: Phil | July 28, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Does anyone know if McCain or Obama have Greek lineage? Just wondering…
Posted by: DavidsGenes | July 28, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
From WashPost today:
One GOP strategist with close ties to McCain’s campaign said the new line of attack reflected the operation’s “schizophrenic” nature. The ad over the hospital visit is “churlish and unlike McCain, and hardly will resonate with the swing voters who are going to decide this election. They’re doing it because the candidate, and the campaign, is not happy with where they are and they’re lashing out.”
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Wow. That’s a GOP strategist saying those things. Astonishing.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
“The only difference is that the guy who actually attacked us on 9/11 is probably hiding in Pakistan. Obama is right again. DUH!”
Invading a country with nuclear weapons in search of a ghost is not too smart. Duh.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Well — if we want a really balanced campaign — perhaps the Republican camp might now have the benefit of Senator Clinton’s wisdom. If President Reagan can switch camps — so can Hillary! I’d still vote for her along with McCain.
Posted by: Hillary! | July 28, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
“Why do Republicans who voted for Bush complain now that Obama is actually speaking with some of Bush’s economic advisors”
Must be painful having to continually make excuses for Barry’s flip-flopls.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Mack – so what you’re saying is that you’re really not serious about the war on terrorism and Al Queda and that you never were. Good to know. Also, Obama never suggested we “invade” Pakistan – stop lying, dude.
Posted by: Nadine Lisica | July 28, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
A “prominent Republican strategist” blasts the McCain camp’s Rovian turn toward partisan attacks:
“Insane. The GOP base vote is not in play. That’s why we call it the base. has it all; it is a generic vote and not candidate driven. Show me a Prez election where the key outcome driver was partisan base intensity. It is a myth. The winning vs. losing outcome is whether he can get the others he needs to win; and a pure partisan approach — let alone a nagging and off-putting tone — is exactly the way not to get them. They have the strategy of a Congressional candidate running in a base suburb, and barely even that.”
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The Repubs are turning on the war hero.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Hey Len…I have a list of reasons as long as my arm as to why I do not care for the politician named Obama and not one of them includes race.
Posted by: tigger | July 28, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
I hate to say it but even Bush is better than McCain, but with Bush leaving a $490 BILLION dollar deficit, yikes. Good job republicans!
Posted by: Adam L | July 28, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
len – maybe for some people, but you can’t deny that there ALOT of anti-Obama racists out there, too. Just look at some of the more unhinged posts on these very boards…
Posted by: kimbers | July 28, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
“The only difference is that the guy who actually attacked us on 9/11 is probably hiding in Pakistan.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | July 28, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
HONESTABE GET OVER THE RACE THING ITS GETTING OLD.
Posted by: natale from mass. | July 28, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Mack: Here are your facts: Just what do you call these: “The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act”, introduced by Senator’s Obama and McCain. “The Secure Fence Act”, Introduced by Republican Peter T. King, supported by Senator Obama and others. “The Lugar-Obama Threat Reduction Act,” introduced by Republicans Lugar, Coburn and Democrat Obama. “The Coburn-Obama Transparency Act,” signed into public law. “The Obama-McCain Greenhouse Gas Emissions Bill.” I could go on, but I won’t.
Posted by: devilkev | July 28, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
McSame’s Flip Flops by Category, Part 1:
National Security Policy
1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.
3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.
6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.
Posted by: Paul F. | July 28, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
McSame’s flipflops by category, part 2:
Foreign Policy
7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.
8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.
Posted by: Paul F. | July 28, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
“Just what do you call these …”
Posted by: Belle Starr | July 28, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Becareful what you wish for…..Obama is not the person he pretends to be.
Posted by: b | July 28, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
This is an interesting comparison. Obama running is sort of like American Idol. He is popular for his personality, but can’t sing the song. People.. this is for the Presidency of the United States. Popularity is for high school contest. Leadership proven is what we need.
Posted by: Jose | July 28, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
HONESTABE GET OVER THE RACE THING ITS GETTING OLD.
Posted by: natale from mass.
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Dear Natale from Mass, You are confused. The poster’s name is listed below the post.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
ROFLMAO!!!!!! Maybe it is OBAMA who is Bush’s THIRD Term!!!! ROFLMOA!
Posted by: L.B. | July 28, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Obama: The lemming’s favorite candidate!
Posted by: Just Curious | July 28, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
It’s easy to blame the economic situation on the President, but it is Congress who spends the money. The President submits his budget, but there are many “off budget” items that also get funded. The entire government has been on a spending spree. (Your local government is probably as bad). Citizens demand that government take care of them before they make an effort to help themselves.(I’m talking about tax cuts, special programs, pork barrel and welfare). We are all part of the mess. We need statesmen instead of prostitutes in government, and a reliance on that higher power whom we recognize in the Declaration of Independence as the true source of our “rights”. Without higher guiding principles to which we can appeal, we will continue to be churlish, “red in tooth and claw” pawns of those who use dialectic materialism to their own selfish ends.
Posted by: eschat | July 28, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Why do Obama followers re-hash the same old things time after time after time?
Posted by: Just Curious | July 28, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Just Curious – you’re correct. How did you know?
Posted by: David Lemming | July 28, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
McCain had over a week to focus on the economy while Obama was out of the country on his trip. So what does Senator McLoser do? First he rides around in golf cart with Bush 41; then he wanders around a grocery store and inspects the cheese case; then he goes to a restaurant and eats sausages and fudge; then he cancels press events and complains Obama is getting too much press coverage; then he meets with the Dalai Lama to receive enlightenment.
What an absurd campaign strategy! McCain is completely hopeless. Daffy Duck (D) could beat him in November.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Great idea – because Bush’s economic policy has worked out so well…
At least this move explains what went wrong on the Bush team…
Posted by: Dan | July 28, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
American Indian blessing for Barack “Black Eagle” Obama:
DENVER (AP) – Native American tribes from Colorado have performed a blessing outside the Pepsi Center, the site of next month’s Democratic National Convention. Members of the Ute Mountain Ute and Southern Ute tribes burned sage, chanted, sang and said prayers Friday, a month before the start of the convention. The DNC committee said a feather was used to “smudge” smoke around the site. Tribe members also prayed for delegates and people around the country whose lives will be affected by the work done at the convention.
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Nice. Meanwhile McCain’s convention center in Minneapolis gets the blessing of corporate sponsors and lobbyists.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
The McCain campaign’s new talking point:
Obama has yet to take a trip to Mexico or Columbia like McCain has. This is no joke. This was said by McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds on CNN yesterday. McCain’s clueless campaign has completely run out of ideas.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Racists will find another reason not to vote for Obama. “no I’m not a racist, i don’t agree with his _____”.
Posted by: Rich | July 28, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Obama returned late Sat night from a grueling 9 day trip abroad and then attended a major gathering of minority journalists in Chicago on Sunday. McCain was also invited but declined. The McCain camp gave no reason.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
“len – maybe for some people, but you can’t deny that there ALOT of anti-Obama racists out there, too. Just look at some of the more unhinged posts on these very boards…”
Yanno, I haven’t met one person who gives that as their reason. Also, remember that many of the posts on these boards are trolls posting inflammatory messages to start fights, distract and justify exactly what you say.
I’m sure that race is a factor for some but is the Race Card his ONLY card?
I don’t think race is the only reason people vote against him. I do think in many cases it is a reason some vote for him. I think some blacks are voting their pride. Is that racism? I don’t think it is. It’s pride. Is that a good enough reason? I can’t say it isn’t. Should all women have voted for Hillary? It meant real change but they don’t take pride in being women or if they do, she wasn’t emblematic.
Too bad, really. She is the best the field had to offer this season.
Obama hasn’t given me valid reasons to vote for him. He has given me lots of reasons to be wary of him. The way Hillary was pilloried while he said nothing is enough to convince me he has little character but plenty of excessive ambition. That was the stuff George W. Wallace was made of. Giving credit where credit is due, he and Lurleen did the state a lot of good. So ambition isn’t the only issue. The lack of any substantial achievements legislatively is a valid issue. The man never stopped running for office.
Obama is claiming victories for other people’s work. That tells me he has none of his own to claim.
No sale.
Posted by: len | July 28, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Looks like all you Bush haters are getting bush back. HA HA
Shall we call from now on Obama Obushma?
Posted by: Jim Rod | July 28, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
McCain will be 72 on Aug. 29. That’s the average age of most retirement communities in the US. You have to ask yourself is this guy up to the task especially considering all the goofy gaffes and confused comments he has been making lately.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Reviews of McCain’s horrible last week.
Klein: McCain Attack “Smacks of Desperation.” “This is the ninth presidential campaign I’ve covered. I can’t remember a more scurrilous statement by a major party candidate. It smacks of desperation. It renews questions about whether McCain has the right temperament for the presidency. How sad.”
Slate: McCain’s Indiscriminate Attacks Distracting Him From Making His Case. “McCain is attacking too much and indiscriminately. The barrage undermines his brand, takes time away from telling voters what he might do for them, and looks awfully old-timey in a year when voters want a new brand. … The gas-prices ad–and the equally disingenuous one on tax cuts–dismantles reputation. In 2000, McCain said that spinning is lying. By that standard, these claims are what? Double-lying. Super lying?”
Fineman: “Hard to Imagine Things Looking Much Bleaker.” “McCain needs all the pluck (and luck) he can muster to win this presidential race. As Barack Obama embarks on his global coronation tour, it’s hard to imagine things looking much bleaker for his Republican rival. McCain thought that by baiting Obama into a tour of Iraq, he’d lure the Democratic contender into a trap. Indeed it was a trap — for McCain.”
New York Times: McCain is Getting Coverage–Its Just Bad Coverage. “It wasn’t a television blackout of John McCain; it was worse: split-screen contrasts that at times made it seem as if Barack Obama was on a state visit while back home his opponent chafed at the perks and privileges of an incumbent commander in chief…McCain aides haven’t been nearly as creative on his behalf: their stagecraft has been notably unflattering to the candidate. While Mr. Obama was shown striding across military tarmacs and inspecting troops standing at attention, Mr. McCain on Monday was seen being driven around in a golf cart by former President George Bush in the resort town of Kennebunkport, Me. Later, the two men spoke to reporters side by side at a waterfront, and they looked more like fellow members of a Past Presidents’ Club than a party elder passing the torch to his political heir.”
Michael Crowley: McCain Looks “Stiff, Uncomfortable,” “Bitter to the Point of Nasty.” “I can hardly believe how badly John McCain is getting routed in the television-imagery game. As Obama saunters through the Middle East, looking cool and relaxed, McCain has been holding events where he looks stiff, uncomfortable, and, in his bracing claim today that Obama would lose a war to win an election, sounding bitter to the point of nasty.”
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Wow. McCain is getting skewered. And it’s so well deserved.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 28, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
It is apparent to me that Obama has accomplished more positive as a candidate than Bush has accomplished in eight years as our President.
Many in America now feel that there is hope for a different direction in policies that are important to the family. Obama will lower middle income taxes – end the war in Iraq – redirect the war efforts to the true “Ground Zero” – consider the world as a place for all to live with America reinstated into its true position at this time in history as a “World Leader” not the “Destroyer”.
Even the Bush administration is now willing to do what the shallow-minded do not want to admit is right by talking to Iran. Even the Pope stated months ago that talking with Iran was the prudent course to take to resolve the concerns of the world community.
Iraq has admitted that it wants America to establish a timetable to leave and allow it to handle its own internal affairs. (Both McCain and Bush have now begin to get on that bandwagon)
As a candidate, Senator Obama is already directing policy and acting as real world leader, one who will lead with strength and compassion, one who will implement a policy of trust but verify in dealing with the “Rogue” nations of the world.
Being an individual who has always loved and believed that America was the greatest nation in the world; with faith in the principles of this great nation, even I am realistic enough to admit that we have made many mistakes. Missteps made in our dealings with both foreign and domestic issues. However, I am comforted to know that we have the possibility of electing a great man to lead this country in the right direction.
As the leaders of the free world meet and develop a level of respect for Senator Obama; a level of respect that has been absent for many years, I feel that our military will once again be given the respect that it deserves. They will not be used to promote agendas which may not necessarily be in the best interest of our country, but as a source of power which will truly protect the interest of this country.
The medical profession will now be enabled to do what they do well by providing health care to all Americans, regardless of their social stature. The insurance companies will be held to do what is right by enforcing the policies that they sold to their clients without the hidden loopholes and double talk typically found when time to take care of the needs of their clients.
America has the “Best” manufacturing infrastructure in the world with the brightest minds developing the most innovative solutions for the needs of the world. Senator Obama will work with individuals of all gender, parties, races, creeds and social status, as he has already demonstrated by the list of advisors currently on board with his campaign, to bring America back to its position as the most fair and productive society the world has ever known.
Many in the manufacturing arena remember that manufacturing companies abroad made purchases of their equipment and technology simply to reverse engineer it so as to produce their products in their country at a lower cost. This was the beginning of the destruction of the manufacturing industry in America. Stolen patents and a whole host of violation followed with the retail industry finally purchasing their products from outside the country. (Another Book)
In the 40′s, 50′s, 60′s and 70′s, most individuals in America could save a little money and have something substantial left over at the end of the year.
In the 80′s and 90′s, at the end of the year if most were lucky, at the end of the month they would break even.
Now in the 21′s century, when we were supposed to have such a promising future, our elderly are filing for bankruptcy and losing their homes at an alarming rate. The biggest growth industry in the country is the “Title Loan and PayDay Loan” industry. This is because now Americans can not live financially from month to month with the wages that they make. This is absolutely shameful. Many in this country say that it is a result of their laziness, that they are trifling individuals, but in reality most are victims of some facet of this country and its leaders that have let them down by failed policies and education.
New Orleans is a prime example of the intentional failure of the education system in this country. The school system was designed to produce general labor workers in the geographical region. The labor force needed in New Orleans consisted of people to work in the hotel and restaurant industry as maids and fry cooks – so the education system was designed to produce just that – low end labor with little opportunity to escape. Certainly their are examples of those that made it out, but more often than not, it was due to the class of the individual, not the opportunity presented to all.
At one time, when looking for a new Superintendent for the New Orleans School system, a Military Corneal was selected over individuals with experience in the education community. This was largely in part implemented due to the desire to enforce discipline and keep their children under control in the substandard system; thus forcing them to accept the pathetic education they were receiving. This approach was desired by the powers that be verses making a change to the status quo by bringing in someone to make improvements to the education system thus giving the children of New Orleans a fair opportunity to break the mold and better their lives. Why do we think that many families with children in the education system that were displaced by Hurricane Katrina refused to move back to New Orleans when given the opportunity. They would rather walk away from their previous lives to give their children a chance to make it in the new schools that they has discovered by displacement than to reintroduce them to the trap of failure.
There is also a reason that a substantial percentage of people in the New Orleans community lived in public housing. A book could be written on the massive design to keep the individuals in that environment – Coming Soon.
Senator Obama has demonstrated to me that he wishes to level the playing field by providing “ALL AMERICANS” with the opportunity to receive a quality education, work a productive job, earn a decent wage and to be the most productive Citizen possible. I understand why many fear him. It should be very clear to most individuals as to why the controllers and deciders wish for him to be defeated.
Senator McCain is a good man that I respect very much. It is just that the failed policies of the current administration appear to be what he has settled for as the direction that he wishes America to remain on the current course which I do not feel is successful.
Senator Obama is a good man and I trust that his heart is in the right place and that he is doing the will of God by helping all mankind to live better and more productive lives.
Posted by: Wil | July 28, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
The McCain campaign’s new talking point:
Obama has yet to take a trip to Mexico or Columbia like McCain has. This is no joke. This was said by McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds on CNN yesterday. McCain’s clueless campaign has completely run out of ideas.
Posted by: HonestAbe | Jul 28, 2008 2:17:14 PM
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Desperate people do desperate things
Posted by: spacerook1 | July 28, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
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Some of us have not been privileged to have lived during the JFK days but from what I’ve heard and what I’ve read and seen, Barack Obama represents the future of American politics that JFK envisioned. Unfortunately people like JFK, Rev. Martin Luther King, and yes even Malcom X were taken away from us by the same hateful mentality that threatens to keep us divided now. Barck Obama is a brilliant man capable of bringing the American people together and people all over the world if we so chose to do so. That is why you racist are so mad, a black man is gonna do something no American president has been able to do, and that is bridge that racial divide between white, black and brown that has separated us for so long. You self hating brown and black people and white racist seem to love to use the excuse, that the reason you will not vote for Sen.Obama is because he does not have enough experience or he hasn’t been in the Senate long enough or the really tired excuses you white racist Pumas and self hating brown and black Pumas love to use is that Barack Obama, and the DNC stole the Primary Election from little miss poor Hillary Clinton. The real reason is that Sen Obama is a black man, that showed the intelligence and intellect that it takes to govern this great country we call America. As far as Hillary, she may be a racist she may not be, I don’t know. What I can say is that with certainty is that Hillary and Bill tried to exploit white people and black people with the race card in order to get votes and win the Primaries. How sad! Maybe Obama used race to his advantage too, if he did, which I don’t think he did, then he did a good job hiding it but Hillary Clinton made it clear to the ear in Pennsylvania, and West Virgina that she had no problem using race to win the primary against Sen Barack Obama. Talk about your Karol Rove tactics!
Posted by: Orlando B. Fremont Ohio | July 28, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Looks like Bush and Obama are really in the tank together know, Obama is hanging out with the Bush advisors!
Posted by: Obama and Bush in the tank together! | July 28, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Giant throbbing bad news for you. I am not a little kid and happen to be some what educated. Making a comment does not mean I have to satisfy your particular way of thinking and expression. So happens this kid VOTES and guess who will not get my vote. You pay taxes? Pay more with Obama and his not told to you how he is paying for it policies and want list. Get Hillary as VP and watch the pocekt book and by the way’ the interns!!
Posted by: Jim Rod | July 28, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Obama steals Bush’s energy plan, foreign policy, and now his economic advisers? BUT HE LEFT THE BUSHISM FOR MCSAME
Posted by: me,myself and i | July 28, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
NOW HE HAS HIS ECONOMIC ADVISERS, IS HE GOING TO BE WEARING BUSHES UNDERWEAR NEXT?
Posted by: OBAMA\BUSH IN THE TANK | July 28, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
So much for Obama being an agent of change! He is picking up all the cronies from both sides. The economy under Bush has been a abysmal failure. So, it doesn’t make sense that he wants to bring in any folks from Bush administration.
Posted by: stan | July 28, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Since these advisors were more or less urged out by the current administration, they have valuable experience and viewpoints that Mr. Obama could take advantage of, and benefit from! While Complain McCain campaign seems to be suffering from a case of major brain drain!
Posted by: flavaflav | July 28, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
“Since these advisors were more or less urged out by the current administration, they have valuable experience and viewpoints that Mr. Obama could take advantage of, and benefit from!”
I guess we will have to be the change that we’ve always waited for since Barry promises the same old, same old.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
That’s not necessarily a good thing. Bush’s advisor’s haven’t all done a good job. In fact most haven’t done a good or any job this past few years…
Posted by: J | July 28, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
While Obama is out on the world stage rubbing elbows with world leaders, McCain is holding hands with the Dalai Lama. What a joke!
Posted by: Calvin | July 28, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
“Mack – wow. So now Obama is responsible for all poverty in his district? ”
The point is that they were owned by his buddy Rezko. Obviously he looked the other way. You have to pay to play with Barry.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
For Jose….You talk about proven leadership…let me tell you about proven leadership. For more than thirty years Arizona has had an illegal immigration problem. John McCain has been a congressman and powerful senator from that state and for THIRTY YEARS he has done nothing…zero…zip to address that national security problem. But, he is the first to send our military half way around the world, spend a TRILLION DOLLARS, loose thousands of our soldiers in a war with Iraq that has no benefit for the U.S. but is designed to protect Israel’s borders…designed to protect Israel from Iraq, possibly Iran and others, while Arzona’s borders are essentially “open.” Now that my friend is proven leadership! McCain is a perfect example of a lying, sell-out politician! He is owned by AIPAC, and the Israel lobby. Joe Leiberman whispers in his ear everyday. Evidently, Israel’s border is more important than Arizona’s. PROVEN LEADERSHIP!
Posted by: garysgary | July 28, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
What!?! What kind of CHANGE is that? Adopting two Bush advisors! The Democrats are warning of 4 more years of Bush…they better take a look at their candidate! Talk about status quo!
Posted by: d | July 28, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
DONT DRINK THE OBAMA KOOL-AID!!!!
A reference to the 1978 cult mass-suicide in Jonestown, Guyana. Jim Jones, the leader of the group, convinced his followers to move to Jonestown. Late in the year he then ordered his flock to commit suicide by drinking grape-flavored Kool-Aid laced with potassium cyanide. In what is now commonly called “the Jonestown Massacre”, 913 of the 1100 Jonestown residents drank the Kool-Aid and died.
One lasting legacy of the Jonestown tragedy is the saying, “Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.” This has come to mean, “Don’t trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side.” or “Whatever they tell you, don’t believe it too strongly”.
The phrase can also be used in the opposite sense to indicate that one has embraced a particular philosophy or perspective.
Alice: Hey, did you hear that Joe is working on the Nader campaign?
Bob: Yeah, he really drank the Kool-Aid on that one.
Chris: I’m thinking about attending a PETA rally
Donna: Whatever you do, don’t drink the Kool-Aid!
Posted by: KOOL-AID | July 28, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
You losers (or whiners in Phil Gramm’s opinion) are so pathetic. Anything Obama does you spin to your own perverted sense of what you want to believe. He’s winning on his own merits. He hasn’t “stolen” anyone else’s ideas. Perhaps some of his ideas were the same as Hillary’s, but that just makes them the “same” – not “stolen”. And if he chooses to select some of the better advisors that Bush ONCE had, but left Bush’s sorry side because of how corrupt it was, then live with it. Obama just knows how to choose quality people from both sides of the aisle. Unlike Bush who only chooses his side who agrees with him on everything and never criticizes or complains. A smart person listens to all opinions, not just the ones he wants to hear. That’s your problem – you only listen to what YOU WANT to hear and disregard the rest. Obama spoke very authoritatively yesterday before the Unity Convention – a group of 6,000 minority journalists and media personnel, people from the Native American community, asian, latino, black media outlets and publications. He wasn’t speaking from a teleprompter either and was not aware of what questions he would be asked. He fielded all of the questions quite well. McCain was invited to the same event and declined to appear – and you people criticize Obama for not doing “town hall” debates with McCain? Wait until after the conventions when the real debates begin on network t.v. You are going to be so embarrassed by McCain’s performance, you will wish there was a hole in the floor of the room so he could just drop right through it and spare himself the shame.
Posted by: geecee | July 28, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
I see the inane, insane,vain, no-gain complain McCain campaign is getting some traction, by denigration, altercation, not to mention major fabrication!
Posted by: flavaflav | July 28, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
How so many of you who’ve posted regarding the 2 Bush advisors who’ve joined the Obama campaign have gone off half-cocked, making comments without having read the article? Had you read the article you’d have known that both of these individuals had left the Bush administration in disgust, and that they bring a wealth of economic know-how to the Obama campaign that can only help him not hinder. As far as McCain is concerned, he’s not keeping his hand on the joy stick and his eyes on the horizon as a good pilot should. Instead, he’s allowing his surrogates to stick his foot in his mouth (though he’s doing a pretty good job of that all by himself.) He certainly is NOT demonstrating leadership.
Posted by: nanameow | July 28, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Stan,
If you will note,Obama is picking up people from the Bush Administration who DISAGREED with Bush policies, and who always had a stormy relationship with Bush. They wrote books saying so. He is also picking up those from the Clinton Admin who were responsible for the BOOM TIMES of the 1990′s. He is seeking ideas from those who might have done a better job of handling the economy had the Bush Administration not micro-managed the heads of each and every department. To Clinton’s credit he was confident enough to let Rubin, et al do their jobs. Nobody in the Bush Administration had or has that luxury. Dumb as he is, GWB requires that all of his appointees agree with him on matters about which he has no clue, or they’re toast! Furthermore, it is indeed CHANGE when a candidate for president pulls together contributors from both parties. Like many I’ve heard, you’re just complaining for the sake of complaining. If Obama weren’t using this methodology you could claim partisan politics, which is indeed NOT CHANGE!
Posted by: Sierra | July 28, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
First off all, I don’t go around attacking one on these boards personally. However, when its about a politician, I think its fair game.
No one said that Obama is responsible for all poverty, however, when you make a promise, at least make some kind of attempt to keep it” I mean some of these children are also relatives of Obama. All his supporters that cry racism just don’t get it. Stop the insults. If you read below you would understand that Obama is full of talk and false promises. Obama is not the breath of fresh air many of you claim to be.
“After addressing the pupils, a third of whom are orphans, and dancing with them as they sang songs in his honour, he was shown a school with four dilapidated classrooms that lacked even basic resources such as water, sanitation and electricity.
He told the assembled press, local politicians (who included current Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga), and students: “Hopefully I can provide some assistance in the future to this school and all that it can be.” He then turned to the school’s principal, Yuanita Obiero, and assured her and her teachers: “I know you are working very hard and struggling to bring up this school, but I have said I will assist the school and I will do so.”
Obiero says that although Obama did not explicitly use the word “financial” to qualify the nature of the assistance he was offering, “there was no doubt among us [teachers] that is what he meant. We interpreted his words as meaning he would help fund the school, either personally or by raising sponsors or both, in order to give our school desperately-needed modern facilities and a facelift”. She added that 10 of the school’s 144 pupils are Obama’s relatives. Obiero was not the only one to think that the US Senator from Illinois, who had recently acquired a $1.65 million house in Chicago, would cough up. Obama’s own grandmother Sarah confidently told reporters before his visit: “When he comes down here, he will change the face of the school and, believe me, our poverty in Kogelo will be a thing of the past.”
But the Evening Standard has heard that the promises he made to help the school as well as a local orphanage appear to have been empty”
Posted by: eviee | July 28, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I wonder if any of those people froze to death. It sure gets cold in Chicago in the winter. I’m sure his buddy Rezko was invited to his mansion warming party.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Obama is grasping for ideas. It’s obvious! His whole candidancy was based on being “new blood.” Now, that is in question. He is repackaging old ideas from folks that have been associated with failed administration. Out of 300 million folks in the US, these are the only 2 folks available for economic advicement?
Posted by: stan | July 28, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Bush advisors are now joining Obama. Bush is shifting his opinions to be more in line with Obama. Is there anything McCain needs to know about his party’s allegiance to his campaign?
Posted by: Calvin | July 28, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
They’re just having a meeting. Sheesh you guys are a bunch of pirahnas. And if you read the whole article, it’s more than apparent these guys are not Bush’s buddies. Must be a slow news day again.
Posted by: Scotti | July 28, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
They’re just having a meeting. Sheesh you guys are a bunch of pirahnas. And if you read the whole article, it’s more than apparent these guys are not Bush’s buddies. Must be a slow news day again.
Posted by: Scotti | July 28, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
stan – you got it 100% backwards. McSame is the dude with no new ideas – that’s why he keeps stealing Obamas.
Posted by: leo the greek | July 28, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Maverickity-
I think the reason that no Democrats (nor many Republicans for that matter) are in line to hop aboard the “Straight Talk Express” could be that McCain seems to have all the political savvy of a walrus at this point. His campaign could be described as stumbling at best, and desperate at worst. Who knows….things may yet turn around for McCain, but as of this moment, he seems to be sputtering along, head barely above water.
Posted by: Henderson | July 28, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
“That is why Sen. Obama stayed at his church. He is not God, it is not his job to condemn Rev. Wright for his views but to try to lead him and others that are still stuck in the past of hate by leading by example.”
What example? Not a peep out of him for 20 years. He sat there in silet protest. Give me a break. We all know that he attended that church for political reasons, although that doesn’t absolve him.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
“Leo the Greek” – I don’t have anything 100% backwards. This thread is about Obama not McCain. Obama is the one who has stolen ideas from everyone else including Hillary. As far as McCain is concerned, he may have ways to go but at least he will serve this country well. He has worked across the aisle for his entire career, unlike Obama.
Posted by: stan | July 28, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
“Mack-
You know, for a FACT, that Sen. Obama attended that church for purely political reasons? That’s a pretty tough sell….”
Well if he didn’t then that means that he must have agreed with his mentor’s hate sermons, which puts him in an even lower light.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Stan-
You mean Barack Obama might be using the ideas of *gasp* another politician? Say it ain’t so!
C’mon, man, EVERY candidate does that…every single one of them.
Posted by: Henderson | July 28, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Mack, Do you have any proof that, that is why Sen Obama attended that church was for political reasons our is that what Karol Rove and his followers are telling you? Maybe Obama attended that church because he felt he could make a difference in the lives of people struggling in Chicago to put food on the table. Maybe it’s just that simple. What have you done for poor people lately?
Posted by: Orlando B. Fremont Ohio | July 28, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Obama would use anyone for his advantage for a vote. He even had Oprah to back him with a chunk of change. The great thing about Obama is his transparency the sad thing is some can’t see it.
Posted by: patricia mo | July 28, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
“eviee – stop whining. Obama never made a promise he said “hopefully”
So this is what “whining” has become to you, a spin of words with regard to children?
“Hope” along with “Change”(supported by action) is the platform Obama has been running on. They understood this as a promise and Obama knew that. They are still waiting.
This does not just apply to Obama, but if a politician can’t keep his/her promises about small things, even children, how will you keep the greater promises for our country?
Posted by: eviee | July 28, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Henderson, you make a great point. However, Obama steals more frequently than other politicians. He does not have his own ideas. He is just an empty suit.
Posted by: stan | July 28, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
I have to admire the integrety of that Hagel fellow – the backstabbers poster boy. then again, You’d think McCain would be ready for his own tricks being used against him.
These DC professional political whores just gravitate to where the power is moving – like rats to a carcass.
Posted by: Don L | July 28, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Where is the change? Clinton advisors, Bush advisors, seems like instead of change we should call his move “recycle”.
Posted by: dav_0107 | July 28, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Now for you people that say Obama used race, please post the link so that myself and others can see it. I bet you racist are sitting their saying to yourselves how dare that n!gger! Just Who does Barrack Hussein Obama think he is? Cry me a river! Just the very thought of Obama being PUTUS probably keeps you people up at night in a cold sweat! I think what you racist and you self hating brown and black people really would love to say but are to coward to say it to all of us white, brown, and black fair minded Americans and people all over the world, is that you would never vote for a peron of color, A. Because I am a white racist and B. Because I am a self hating brown or black person. No matter how qualified or how much white blood Sen Obama has in him you will not vote for Obama. RIGHT! See, most of you racist are cowards. I’m sorry, correction I’ve given you folks way to much credit, all of you racist are cowards. Some of you people really don’t think your racist at all because you have bought into yours and others bull$hit. You can’t even post honest blogs and be honest with the American people and the many people around the world that post here because you people are pathetic human beings and lets not forget cowards. You racist are like Camillions hiding in your trailer parks and your middle and upper class homes and neighborhoods behind your computers and your ridiculous bullshit excuses and pitiful lives. Get used to saying President Obama!
Posted by: Orlando B. Fremont Ohio | July 28, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Who’s the one that’s more like Bush now? Yup, Mr. Obama, I’m willing to bet they’ve been funding Obama and have him in their right pocket. Obama’s a puppet and will do whatever they tell him to. Obama is the real third term for George Bush. McCain isn’t a viable choice either, so I will just sit this election out and watch the Obama nuts keep taking up for Obama even when he’s in the wrong. We’re screwed either way Obama or McCain we can’t win. Depression here we come
Posted by: Dee-GA | July 28, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
“Maybe Obama attended that church because he felt he could make a difference in the lives of people struggling in Chicago to put food on the table. Maybe it’s just that simple”
Everything that Obama has done has been politically motivated and calculated to get him to the next level. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Take off the rose-colored glasses and see him for who he truly is, not who you would like him to be.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Mack-
I can see where you’re coming from, but I think it’s a dangerous assumption to say that he agreed with the message. When it comes down to it, none of us know why he stayed. Maybe he should’ve left, but that’s not for anyone, excepting Sen. Obama, to decide. Not so much trying to defend the guy as much as I’m trying to get a return back to sanity about this issue :)
Posted by: Henderson | July 28, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
WOW, “USA Today/Gallop Poll” is showing McCain 4pts ahead of Obama. The average of all polls is just over 3pts. The graph is showing McCain surging.
Posted by: eviee | July 28, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Stan-
Fair enough, man. Obama’s a calculated dude in a sea of other calculated dudes, and he just seems to be a little better at it.
Posted by: Henderson | July 28, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
O’Neill quit because he didn’t agree with Bush’s tax cuts. Donaldson tried to cross the aisle and was met with the “us or them” mentality of your current president.
Or didn’t you people quite get past the headline?
Posted by: biltud | July 28, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Patricia mo, Did Oprah call you personally and tell you Sen. Obama used her for her money? Oprah was and still is supporting Sen. Obama 100% By the way, I don’t think Oprah would be where she is if people were able to use her like that. You end by saying, the great thing about Obama is his transparency the sad thing is some can’t see it. Patricia mo, I don’t think you give voters enough credit about what they understand and what they don’t, it’s that can of arrogance that will sink John McCain for President. The voters are a lot smarter then you think!
Posted by: Orlando B. Fremont Ohio | July 28, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Henderson,
That is a non-movable sticking point for me. The irony of running on a unity platform and then having attended that kind of church for so many years is more than I can stand. The message is not lost on anyone, it’s just that he hasn’t done anything in his past that is in synch with his message. He’s an intelligent, calculating politician and that’s all.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Keep on saying more of the same with McCain. It’s Obama that is taking the Bush advisors. HAHA! With Obama it is Bush 3!
Posted by: Stark Granger | July 28, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
That’s ok they will stick around until Obama gets the USA stuck in a quagmire in Afghanistan then they will abandon ship. They are white collar peaceniks.
Posted by: Stark Granger | July 28, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Reading down these poosts convinces me that we are, in fact, in serious trouble in this country. The two individuals mentioned have demonstrated not only a great deal of experience and judgement, but also the insight to understand that the only way this Country can prosper of the next few decades is to arrive at concensus on the crucial issues we face. The time for venting and personal attacks ends in November. Suck it up.
Posted by: Topsight | July 28, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Mack-
Thanks for the response. Good to know that you have those convictions….we need more voters who actually look at campaign and character issues, and not just the talking points. While I still support Obama, it’s nice to hear some intelligence and not a bunch of ranting. Good stuff.
Posted by: Henderson | July 28, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Everything that Obama has done has been politically motivated and calculated to get him to the next level. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Take off the rose-colored glasses and see him for who he truly is, not who you would like him to be.
Mack, You say everything that Obama has done has been politically motivated and calculated to get him to the next level. Well, Sen. Obama is a politician! Right! He sounds like a hard worker I’m not sure how being politically motivated and calculated to get him to the next level is a bad thing being that he is just doing his job. I don’t know about you and everyone else that just loves to hate on Obama but it sounds and looks like he is dedicated to a job he loves to do. We all know politicians are known for not telling the truth or stretching the truth some time but that label applies to everyone own this planet. Doesn’t make it right but it is a fact unlike the BS your trying to sell today! Maybe it’s you that should take off the rose-colored glasses and see him for who he truly is, and that is a brilliant politician.
Posted by: Orlando B. Fremont Ohio | July 28, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
McCain continues to run around crying about the surge this and the surge that. I mean who gives a darn anyway about these semantics from failed war that should have never been started??
The American people want this stupid Bush/McBush war finished and thereby stopping the cash hemorrhage down this rat hole Bush and McBush have created, that’s all…
Last week we saw McCain screaming ME TOO, ME TOO! On Obama’s 16 month timetable position, and whining about press coverage and other made up stuff like this troop visit in Germany (because they have nothing else to talk about)!
So now this week Obama is getting down to business on what really matters to Americans, the ECONOMY STUPID!
Let’s all just watch as Obama again sets the pace and how McBush comes running from behind screaming ME TOO, ME TOO, on this one as well….
How pathetic is this old fool McCain anyway???
Obama ’08!!!!
Posted by: Davis | July 28, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
For those too ignorant to notice, Obama is getting a wide cross section of economic advisers to hear, not just a couple of Bush guys. He’s not “stealing” anyone’s plan, but looking for the best answers from a wide array of opinions. I know this sounds novel to some on the right, but for those more interested in what’s best for the country at large, it makes sense.
Posted by: Javalation | July 28, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
I hate to say it but even Bush is better than McCain, but with Bush leaving a $490 BILLION dollar deficit, yikes. Good job republicans!
Posted by: Adam L | July 28, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
How can he be for change if he sticks with the same old people who have had the job with President Bush? How is the a CHANGE? I wish someone would explain his grand plan for CHANGE. I don’t see it. I see same oh same oh..
Posted by: CAROL | July 28, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Uh oh. This isn’t change I can believe in. Whatever. Keep thy enemies closer right? And besides. These former aides of Bush are probably some of the ones he ignored.
Posted by: JamesT | July 28, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
dems for Reps, any proof?? or just spouting rhetoric somebody else regurgitated???
Posted by: The Oracle | July 28, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
This is Change? Just as I thought — we are going nowhere fast in this country — except to hell in a handbasket I mean. Change? Paul O’Neill? Puleeeze people
Posted by: nutrina | July 28, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Mack, funny how you demean the man for his past, then make declarations about who he is now.
Ever been judged on your past mistakes?
I’m not saying that one’s past shouldn’t be considered, just that it makes more sense to look at a person’s actions now and to put the past into context.
Unless, of course, you’re just looking for an excuse to hate someone. In that case, the past comes in really handy. Some even use it to hate themselves.
Kind of like driving one’s car by holding the rearview mirror instead of the steering wheel.
Posted by: Brad Eleven | July 28, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
“Ever been judged on your past mistakes?”
He’d still be making the same mistake if he wasn’t outed and forced to throw his mentor and church under the bus.
Posted by: Mack | July 28, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
nutrina-
This is change. Obama is looking to Republicans as well as Democrats to put together a squad of the best people for the job. We haven’t seen bi-partisanship in this country for 7 1/2 years, and I’m all for getting back to doing what’s right for the nation and not the party.
Posted by: Henderson | July 28, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Great, first he’s blasting the Bush administration for their economic policy and now he’s seeking their advice on the economy!
Posted by: Tom in MA | July 28, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Sparks Fly-
That was the best post I’ve read in weeks. *applause* Great stuff!
Posted by: Henderson | July 28, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
O’NEIL SAID BUSH WAS TOTALLY OUT OF TOUCH AND A MORON …
‘BUSH WAS ‘LIKE A BLIND MAN IN A DARK ROOM, LOOKING FOR A BKLACK HAT’
Posted by: ROBERT_PARKER | July 28, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
I think Senator Obama’s prayer says everythinbg I need to know.
Mr McCain, I try to listen to him, but he just seem very angry. I don’t learn anything about Mr McCain when all he does is make ugly and calculated personal attacks on Senator Obama. All of his supporters have picked up on his signal to make this a negative and ugly campaign, and we wee that reflected in these comments.
I had heard that Mr McCain was going to run a positive campaign, and I was looking forward to that, but apparently he feels he is loosing too badly and has returned to the only thing he knows which is angry and meaningless negative personal attacks.
Posted by: Stormy | July 28, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
“I hate to say it but even Bush is better than McCain, but with Bush leaving a $490 BILLION dollar deficit, yikes. Good job republicans!’
Posted by: Adam L | Jul 28, 2008 5:16:03 PM
And watch Obama make it GRW!
Change we can believe in!
Posted by: a little birdie told me so; | July 29, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
Well.
I have read these posts. First of all, there is nothing wrong with the church that Obama attended. People like hannity, rush, and oreilly (whose hate speech led another to kill)made you all believe ( or gave you a line to hang yourself) that the church was evil. Bull. Like the church in TN was evil, too. If Obama had not run for Pres, you would not know of his church, and they could get on with serving the community without being in a fishbowl.
For all you who shout william ayers, I give you the rw posterboy, jim adkisson.
The republican have run this country into the ground. More money has been shifted into the hands of a few than ever before. even rational republicans are sickened by the mess boosh’s administration has created. Yes the surge was successful. It allowed the admin to make even more money off the war with secret no-bid contracts (check out the cronyism and war profiteering here:
As for mcsame’s flipflops, Carpetbagger keeps a blog dedicated to recording each one. (with the 16 mo timeline flip by mcsame it is now up to 70)
“JukeboxJohn keeps chinging his tune”
Posted by: MariaWr | July 29, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am
The speech in Berlin was billed a a rock concert….3 bands before Obama spoke…
The 200,000 were NOT there to see OBAMA…once a gain, the press hides the facts
Posted by: JED | July 29, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Great article in todays Wall Street Journal.
The “OBAMA RECESSION”…Good Reading!
Posted by: Sammy | July 29, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
As I am reading your blogs I am realizing something…I think we’ve gotten so tainted by the current political process that we can’t see with clarity the Obama strategy. We also have been brainwashed to believe that strategy and planning, being steadfast and purposeful are negative things. So often we hear politicians making claims about this issue or that issue and they stand out front as if they are the subject matter expert and tell their stories. The truth is the presidency and for that matter any position in which you are leading a company, organization, etc. should have the leader surrounding themselves with not yes men and women but people who are the true subject matter experts. And a great leader will place themselves in a position to listen and determine the right path for the country, company or organization. Political appointments and alignment to a particular party should not be the most important thing in choosing a board of directors nor should it be for the advisors to a presidential candidate or the president himself as if back in college surrounded by the sacred brotherhood of fraternities. No other candidate in our history (Y gener here) has done this. Obama has been out there in the open, conversing with people of various backgrounds and knowledge bases trying to determine, in this time of economic struggle, religious contempt, foreign policy blunders, etc. what the best path is for America. He even has the foresight to include Bush advisors whom are probably talented and who both left the Bush Administration because he wouldn’t listen, he couldn’t see past his own agenda to appreciate that they possibly knew what they were talking about. The truth is the media will ask the millions of questions it needs to ask to make sure they seem on top of things when the truth is, I don’t expect a politician to know down to the last cent how the social security payouts will be affected a year from now, but I expect them to surround themselves with people of integrity and knowledge who can advise as to these affects. And I expect them to know what issues they will focus on first and foremost when entering office. What will be their platform…McCain has reached out himself meeting with religious leaders trying to court that vote however I have yet to see him hold a round table of economic strategists to help him make sense of a topic that he himself finds confusing and is over his head. Let’s be honest, think about what we are arguing. Why we call Obama names and disrespect him as a person when he is far more accomplished than many of us will ever be (by choice of course) and why we question McCain’s sanity as an older gentleman when he has lived such a long, fulfilling, challenging life defined by public service. What gives us the right? Most of us wouldn’t stop to help a woman being mugged if it happened in front of our face and yet we find fault in the personalities and characteristics of these gentlemen who have dedicated their entire lives to public service no matter how difficult this path tends to be. The white house doesn’t command a paycheck that would hold a candle to what Obama could be making on Wall Street many have mentioned and it is quite true. He is a Harvard law grad as is his wife. McCain had a long career in the military protecting our country and yet some of us would blast him personally and never think twice about signing up to fight as he did. What I am reading here is children who have grown up repeating the mistakes of their parents, fighting battles that don’t need to be fought. These men are great in and of themselves. Who are we to question their patriotism and their personal paths to obtaining enlightenment on the issues that we say are so important. Let’s argue the facts. Remember that? What will hold true after January 2009…McCain’s absent mindedness or Obama’s jump shot. Cindy McCain’s hairstyle or Michelle Obama’s passion. No, we are electing people to run our country, not a prom king…let’s move towards the issues and show them that we don’t need this race to be another tabloid brawl. Or better yet, we can just see if Bush can come back for a third term and continue his divisive tactics and further separate us as Americans, make decisions without listening to advisors and further affect our standing in the world.
Posted by: Disenchanted... | July 29, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Here! Here! DISENCHANGED
Posted by: Robin | July 29, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
My apologies, DISENCHANTED for the misspelling. I was so excited to hear another sober voice of reason and moved by your eloquence. Your point was so on point. Here! Here!
Posted by: Robin | July 29, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
The participation of O’Neill and Donaldson at the economic meeting is a higly laudable example of policy prevailing over politics. The bipartisan nature of efforts like this are a prototype for how our government should function, and bodes very well for the future. The Bipartisan Bridge is dedicated to precisely these principles and practices. Those who believe — or at least hope — that there are policy options which can be supported by leaders of both parties to address our burgeoning fiscal crisis may be interested in two postings on the website which address this: (1) “Another Option: Going Beyond Tax Hikes and Budget Cuts” Budgeting Should Learn From Family Budgeting”
Posted by: Bipartisan Bridge | July 30, 2008, 5:01 am 5:01 am
O’Neill took a principled stand and Bush fired him as a result. Obama’s talked about bipartisanship, and this shows that he really means what he says.
Posted by: Dan | October 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm