By Jennifer Parker

Aug 20, 2008 9:45am

Biden Brings Reporters Bagels, But No VP News

ABC News’ Z. Byron Wolf reports from Wilmington, Delaware: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., left his Wilmington house this morning before 8am with nary a word to reporters camped out in his driveway. Members of the news media have been staking out Biden’s home for two days as speculation swirls that Biden is on Democratic Sen. Barack Obama’s short list of vice presidential candidates. Biden is spending time in his home state while Congress is in summer recess. As the senator drove off this morning in his pickup truck it was unclear where his primary destination was. However, when he pulled back into his driveway at 9:15am he had made a pit stop at the local Brew Ha Ha Espresso Cafe and Newsstand and Cafe. As he rolled into his driveway he stopped his pickup and, without saying anything more than, "Hi" and "Nice talking to you," to waiting reporters, he handed a brew box of coffee and a dozen bagels out the window. All the reporters and camera people had their video cameras trained on him, so there was a moment where no one understood he was giving the bagels to us. One reporter was so flustered that he asked if Biden had talked to "Senator O’Biden." Tightlipped, Biden drove down his driveway. Journalists, ever thankless, soon realized that he brought cream cheese for the bagels and cream and sugar for the coffee. But no cups, which is just as well since there are no public restrooms within over a mile of his house. For the latest veepstakes coverage click HERE, HERE and HERE.

User Comments

Let Biden alone!!! This is just crazy!!

Posted by: carl29 | August 20, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

The phone text could still come. Remember these are Democrats we are talking about. Early morning for them is like 11:30.

Posted by: Richard, Tokyo JP | August 20, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

There is no way he is going to be anywhere near his house when he gets a notice…and none of those reporters will know anything.
This is getting sooo silly.
Obama needs to sew it up as this is causing it to lose credibility.
ugh

Posted by: dl | August 20, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Winning the Jewish vote
Obama-Lieberman
Now, that’s a combo!

Posted by: sansrx | August 20, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

He’s not it he brought bagels. If he brought a dozen doughnuts that’s a dead giveaway that he’s been picked…

Posted by: Richard | August 20, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

You know it’s a slow news day when the headline is Joe Biden gave some people bagels. Wow.

Posted by: jeremy | August 20, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

“The phone text could still come. Remember these are Democrats we are talking about. Early morning for them is like 11:30.”
Unlike the Republicans, whose normal hours of operation are in the dark of the night.

Posted by: HG | August 20, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Biden is the right choice for VP for Obama and will be great for Delaware.

Posted by: Rajesh Sharma | August 20, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

I agree with 99% of the things said on here, and I’m a die-hard Dem.
To quote what’s his name “LEAVE “O’BIDDEN” ALONE!”
And yeah… Obmama needs to wake up and smell the coffee that Bidden is handing out to reporters, or else he’s going to get this election hijacked from him REALLY quick!
Which would be a shame.

Posted by: jdinsd | August 20, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

I absolutely would prefer an older person to run our country. The thought of an inexperienced egotistical windbag of a moron (Obama) running the country is just too scary. In baseball do you put up your rookie players when the game is tied or losing the game. Same thing here. Obama has no experience – except for voting “Present”. He inexperience will ruin this country. People have no idea why they are voting for Obama except for that empty word of change. I haven’t seen any change. His negative ads, renigning on promises such as to use public funds for the campaign and etc. The list goes on. Obama will run this country into the ground. McCain isn’t the best choice but he is better than obama.

Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | August 20, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Who cares. Obama could pick the most beloved guy or girl in the country and he will still loose.

Posted by: DONNA | August 20, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

@Frank South Hampton:
The country isn’t run into the ground already? I’d prefer giving someone else a crack at it. As you say the “veterans” in the crowd are to blame for the country’s lowly state. Sometimes the rookies step up and hit one out of the park. I can think of one right now who’s done nothing less than spectacular this year as a rookie: Chicago Cubs Rookie catcher Geovany Soto, who was also nominated as the starting catcher for the NL at the All-Star game.
So try another analogy, Grandpa. Yours is tired and lame.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

I think this was all about the coffee except he forgot the cups. He wanted them to drink coffee and need to leave his driveway to find a bathroom over a mile away……If Obama chooses anyone other than Hillary, his chance of winning is over…….No other candidate, not even Colin Powell (and he will not accept) as VP would give Obama the win. Now if the Super Delegates do their job and nominate the most electable candidate, Hillary then the dems win. AND if Obama is too dumb or full of himself to select Hillary, then the Super Delegates can force a Hillary as VP.
Much as I would love to vote Hillary, I will have trouble pulling the lever with Obama on top. It is better to elect McCain for one term (and that is all he wants) and wait for Hillary in 2012.

Posted by: soupyet | August 20, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

“Unlike the Republicans, whose normal hours of operation are in the dark of the night.”
I always knew Batman was a Republican…

Posted by: Erik | August 20, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Obama should pick Biden as his running mate. And then flip the ticket.

Posted by: Rich | August 20, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

O’Biden: That was hilarious!

Posted by: JFinger | August 20, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Can’t wait to see the debate between romney & Biden. romney will come out of their like dan quayle did, like a deer in the headlights…. Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | August 20, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

O’biden & O’bama , there’re both Irish right?

Posted by: pt | August 20, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

@JB in St. Lous:
You disqualified yourself from any semblance of logic when you brought up Bill O’Reilly. Frankly I am sick of seeing all of McCain’s negative attack ads far more than hearing about Obama. The media want a close race because it means more ratings for them, so they’ve been saturating the airwaves with Obama so that people like you will get sick of hearing about him, and the race subsequently tightens because they know they are being circumvented in relevance and substance by what’s happening on the Internet. Obama isn’t using the media as his surrogate, unlike McCain who is all over it whenever possible. Obama’s ground game is going to win the election simply for this fact.
Smile, you’re being manipulated.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

I wonder how many McCain mugs and tees some of you guys are getting for these comments.

Posted by: Zeke | August 20, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Biden totally copied this bagel handoff from an English politician who did the same thing for the press last year! I can’t believe Biden is still coping people without citing his sources!

Posted by: Teniqua! | August 20, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

Why do so many insist on name calling as an integral part of their communications? Neither of these presumptive nominees are morons, idiots, windbags, etc. They are men, outstaninding in their chosen profession — politics. They are both Senators, patriots, and one of them WILL be President. Fortunately for America, we’ll be saying “President Obama” after January 20.
While McCain might make a good general, graduating 894th out of 899 cadets does not bode well for your being leader of the free world. Obama, OTOH, is a proven change agent, brilliant, excellent orator, a uniter not a fighter, and understands that Republicans don’t care about our leadership position in the world — they just want tax breaks for their cronies, are in bed with lobbyists, and sorely lacking in the ethics department — the everyman for himself mentality hasn’t gotten us ahead.
Obama will win, and we will enjoy 60-40% majorities in Congress. Oh happy day!

Posted by: Andrew L - Des Moines | August 20, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

When Biden said “I’m not the guy” yesterday (and re being in his driveway the day he’s expected to be with Obama if Biden were to be the VP pick), does that mean:
1. It is assured he won’t be the VP pick since he “obviously” ruled it out.
2. He could well be the VP pick, and can just say “OH, I wasn’t sure, that’s just a way to talk” etc. which I would consider on the disingenuous side?
I mean, the veepstakes betting pool didn’t drop him like a rock, did it?
BTW, reminder to those complaining of Obama missing lots of votes: McCain is not only worse than BHO, he is *the worst* in the Senate:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/
Missed Votes by Member
* 63.8%
o [Photo of John McCain] Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
+ Representing: Arizona
+ Votes: 407 votes missed (63.8%), 231 votes cast
* 48.7%
o [Photo of Tim Johnson] Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD)
+ Representing: South Dakota
+ Votes: 311 votes missed (48.7%), 327 votes cast
+ Note: Sen. Johnson suffered a brain hemorrhage on Dec. 13, 2006, and spent several months recovering. He has since returned to the Senate.
* 45.5%
o [Photo of Barack Obama] Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)
+ Representing: Illinois
+ Votes: 290 votes missed (45.5%), 348 votes cast
* 32.3%
o [Photo of Hillary Clinton] Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
+ Representing: New York
+ Votes: 206 votes missed (32.3%), 432 votes cast
* 30.3%
o [Photo of Joseph Biden] Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE)
+ Representing: Delaware
+ Votes: 193 votes missed (30.3%), 445 votes cast
* 26.8%
o [Photo of Christopher Dodd] Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
+ Representing: Connecticut
+ Votes: 171 votes missed (26.8%), 467 votes cast
* 22.1%
o [Photo of Sam Brownback] Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS)
+ Representing: Kansas
+ Votes: 141 votes missed (22.1%), 497 votes cast

Posted by: Neil B | August 20, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Reply to jdinsd,
The election of our leaders is not a sport! That mentallity got us in trouble with the loosing ballteam manger we now have.(Playing “Daddy ball” with the country has been devestating)
Wake up and smell the coffee, George Bush and the Republican party have already “run this country in the ground.” It will take 10 Democratic Presidential terms, maybe more, to repair the Bush Cheny “legacy”.

Posted by: Glenn-Soutern U.S | August 20, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

@ltk01:
>>BO, is the most under-qualified candidate, nominated by a major party in the history of the USA Pres. Election Process;
Are you sure George W. Bush doesn’t fit that profile? Maybe you should think about what you’re writing before you post it and stop embarrassing yourself with your vitriolic hyperbole. Nobody can mess things up worse than they are already messed up, and we have the REPUBLICAN White House and 6 years of REPUBLICAN controlled Congress, and two years of obstructionist REPUBLICANS to thank for the mess.
Those of us in the reality-based community call bull on you.

Posted by: STILTONE | August 20, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

Frank,
Would he really loose?

Posted by: Dave-NC | August 20, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

It’s so ridiculous to deal with a phony candi, putting a good man in such an awkward position. 0-bama first framed the guy as a racist for praising him and derailed his campaign. Now, he makes the guy to pay for bagels and coffee, costing him money.

Posted by: Olbermn3 | August 20, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Mccain only up by 5 why isnt the good ole maverick(yeah right) blowing obama away
Posted by: angie | Aug 20, 2008 10:38:17 AM
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The question is that why your political Jesus is not 20% ahead. Any other democratic person would have been 20% ahead at this point.
You moron.

Posted by: Olbermn3 | August 20, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

@Olbermn3:
>>The question is that why your political Jesus is not 20% ahead. Any other democratic person would have been 20% ahead at this point.
That’s baseless and inaccurate. Obama won his party’s nomination, you moron. There is no other Democratic hopeful, this one is it. The reason the race is tightening is two-fold:
1. Respecting his opponent’s wishes to run a respectful, above the board campaign, which McCain clearly reneged on, is why Obama is not blowing McCain away at this point: he has to retool his campaign to shift tactics and go negative.
2. I know this may come as a shock to you, but *gasp* there definitely is a racist contingent in this country who won’t elect the man because of the color of his skin.
You moron.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

@STILTON
You’re a fool if you think McCain has no chance at being the next Pres. Veterans are the only reason we still have a country where you can cast your blinded by rhetoric vote. Ronald Reagan was almost 70 when he won the presidency and was the greatest president my generation has EVER seen if not EVER. Your “salient points” are pointless if age is your only argument. I am not betting my family’s future on a rookie. The only one delusional is yourself if you think “fresh, new, and vibrant” is the thing to bet our future on. A lot of people though Hitler was “fresh, new, and vibrant”.
Glen- Is that your excuse if O’bama wins and gets nowhere?
Andrew L.- Dream on.
Zeke- Ooo! That really hurt. You rally know how to throw a jab. Sarcasm if you don’t recognize it.

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

I am happy to see Obama loose round and will loose on Nov.

Posted by: Lyn Hennnessy | August 20, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

Hey Stilton, get a bumper sticker!

Posted by: Glenn, Southeast | August 20, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Change?? A fresh faced Sen. Obama paired with a dirty old white male washington insider. Who hijacked the bus?

Posted by: wtfchange | August 20, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Olbermn3, Obama did not say Biden was racist for his remarks about clean, articulate young man etc. Some overly touchy folks did so, but BHO is not to blame. Biden would be a great pick for VP, so the question of the hour is: could be still be in play despite his “I’m not the guy” remarks? I wish I could see more intelligent discussion about that directly, since there are plenty of threads to vent general dis/satisfaction with various candidates etc.
BTW, Olbermn3, it looks like you aren’t on the ball enough to be a worthy fan of Keith Olbermann, if that’s what you’re getting at.

Posted by: Neil B | August 20, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

“Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican”
Sen. Barack Obama. Arrogant is the word for Obama, a far left-winger, who is attempting to assume the mantle of Dr. King by giving his political acceptance speech on the anniversary of Dr. King’s “I Have a Dream” inspirational civil rights speech. History shows that Dr. King was a minister who embraced the traditional values that made our country great. Obama has the most liberal voting record in the US Senate. Obama is no MLK.

Posted by: GoUSA247 | August 20, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Brining bagels and coffee to reporters stalking him.
So cool and noble. So down to earth. So Biden.
Wonder if any of these pricks bothered to say “Thank you” or was the biggest thing said complaints about no cups?!?
GO JOE!

Posted by: Coach Thumper | August 20, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

Where did STILTON go?

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Enjoy your few days of puffing – McCain supporters. Zogby is fat f*ck who was predicting John Kerry would win the 2004 election, as late as election day. The gloves will be off in a few days. You are going to lose. Don’t let one unreliable pollster fool you.

Posted by: billy smith | August 20, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

Agreed, Obama needs to sew this up quickly. He IS losing credibility.
And you neocon right wingers need to just back the hell off. You’ve had eight years of your way.
Now with 4,000-plus dead, a rotten economy (‘cept for CEOs), dirty oceans, uncontrolled Wall Street, housing crises due to lack of regulation, a city left to rot by FEMA, lies, lies and lies, you had your shot.
You have no ground left to stand on. Channel your false outrage where it really belongs, not to a man who will have to clean up your cowboy’s mess!

Posted by: Coach Thumper | August 20, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

STILTON: said “The rest of us are voting for something fresh, new, and vibrant.”
There is nothing fresh or new about racist tactics.
There is nothing fresh and new about sexist tactics.
There is nothing fresh and new about supporting the Bush/Cheeney energy plan to give big oil more tax breaks.
There is nothing fresh and new about sitting 20 years listening to Rev. Wright’s racist and sexist sermons.
There is nothing fresh and new about getting favors from convicts like Resko.
There is nothing fresh and new about another unqualified man like Bush in the White House.
Fresh and new would be Hillary Clinton, the most qualified person running that also happens to be a woman….now that would have been fresh and new!!!!!
Mark my words…..McCain is running for one term only. Who he selects as VP may be considered for 2012.

Posted by: soupyet | August 20, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

That was nice of him.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

Jeff S.,
Read some history, Hitler had been around for more than a decade. He was not “fresh and New”. He was busy killing all the lawyers and destroying the corts so that indviduals had no rights or recourse to justice. (sound familiar?)Our great veterns are sworn in to protect and defend the constitution which embodies our freedoms, civil liberties and rights.
You might want to read the constitution, then reconsider your vote… or just get a reprint of the Bush Cheney bumper sticker.

Posted by: Curt-Deeper South | August 20, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

@Jeff S. -Deep South:
>>…Veterans are the only reason we still have a country where you can cast your blinded by rhetoric vote…
I appreciate the hard work and sacrifice of our military. My Grandfather was on the beaches of Omaha during WWII, father was Air Force (served in Nam), and my brother Navy. So I can appreciate my right to freedom of speech. But that doesn’t mean the military or veterans or POWs for that matter make great presidents, or even great leaders. Defaulting to the Cult of Personality (e.g. McCain’s celebrity status) as a debate device is disingenuous because of its asinine premise that we must defer to the 100 Year Iraq War Deity in all matters of defense and security, or even that he has proven he can lead (he hasn’t). He has proven time again he doesn’t give a damn about the men and women in uniform based on his voting record.
McCain has benefited Veterans lately HOW, exactly? You think he sides with the military or veterans?? Perhaps you should check his voting record on Veteran’s issues before blindly saddling up to McSame:
eptember 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that “things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.
July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.
March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then.
February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%.
June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.
May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.
April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans’ medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans’ needs.
October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.
August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.
Not to mention the recent story that “Deployed Troops Donate to Obama 6-1 Over McCain” (Center for Responsive Politics).
And let’s take your example of Reagan and the age issue. Did you see Ronnie much in the last two years of his presidency? Why or why not? The man was going senile, that’s why. In fact Reagan is PRECISELY why McCain is too old to be president. We’ve seen that show before. So your argument that Ronnie was old too when he was president doesn’t hold a lot of water because he did definitely go senile in the second half of his second term, and was propped up by a strong cabinet and a visible vice president in George HW Bush.
Lastly, your comment that you are not betting your family’s fortune on a rookie speaks volumes about your mindset. The Republican party is the party of the Haves. Everyone knows it but the GOP in particular pretend to have a Big Tent. We know that the Big Tent doesn’t have room for everybody anymore, what with all the white-haired Anglo money men and the radical right-wing Christian Fundamentalist sect that hijacked it long ago.
I call it like I see it. Flame on.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

Billy Smtih,
Were the polls wrong when obama was in the lead?

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

Actually Curt, maybe there is a comparison. Hitler was an Austrian, like McCain is a Panamanian. Hitler was a vet who suffered much in World War I, and required extensive hospitalization, much like McCain in Vietnam. Hitler was obsessed with Russians, much like McCain is now.
Okay, okay… its just a joke. No offense intended ;)

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

Side note. As an election strategy, voting 95% with Mr. 27% Approval Rating (yes, worst in history) is probably not the best way to win an election.
Furthermore, employing the very team that smeared you off the GOP nomination ticket in 2000 speaks volumes about McCain’s own “ambition”.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Stilton: “Furthermore, employing the very team that smeared you off the GOP nomination ticket in 2000 speaks volumes about McCain’s own ‘ambition.’”
Actually, McCain talked about his own ambition in 2002.
“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president…In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.”
- John McCain, “Worth The Fighting For”
For him now to try to say he’s always put his country first, while the other guy just wants to be president… well, I can’t think of a better word except shameless.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

JB in St. Lous : No the racist tactics played by the Obama group is backfiring on Obama’s chances. When people thought he was just this great speaker, they were willing to give him a chance but now we have seen the racist sermons he has exposed his children to and the sexist and racist tactics he used to win slightly more pledged delegates than Hillary. We also note that he lost the popular vote to Hillary and that Hillary won 500,000 more votes than Obama starting with OH…..after the Wright sermons and Obama sticking up his middle finger while saying the name Hillary and waiting for a laugh. And all that on top of very little experience and judgement especially when a quick decision needs to be made. It certainly appears in debates and news items like Russia/Georgia that Obama can not make a good decision quickly….but McCain can.
Voting McCain 2008 and Hillary 2012

Posted by: soupyet | August 20, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

@Paul:
I know he mentioned it himself in 2002, but isn’t it completely obvious today? I think it is. I appreciate your addendum, though. Thanks.
Also I can think of other words other than “shameless”, like “egomaniacal”, “crass”, “tasteless”, and “dishonorable”.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

@soupyet:
Are you still here? Man you need to do some fact checking. You’re what the media has termed a “low information voter”.
It was GEORGIA that started the tensions with Russia by invading the small Russian enclave within its borders. It wasn’t Russia that initiated the conflict. Do some research.
Lastly, McCain rising to the aid of Georgia is a result of one of his advisers lobbying for the Georgian government to the tune of $800,000. McCain had to respond because he has been BOUGHT AND PAID FOR vis a vis his advisers. This is something McCain is actually PROUD OF. But it’s extremely dangerous for a Senator who aspires to be president to circumvent his own government’s machinations toward the Georgian and Russian governments through actual diplomatic channels like the State Department, instead of his cronies Lieberman and Graham, who had no business interfering with Condi Rice by being on the scene BEFORE her.
If that’s leadership we are in a lot of trouble if McCain gets elected.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

You state you had or have family in the military. Are you? Do really understand military issues? Everyone knows you can find statistics to prove your point so that doesn’t impress me. Just by putting McCain down on his military issues does not make Obama strong on military issues.
Reagan went to terms are you giving McCain that kind of chance? Reagan on his bad days was better than Obama will ever be!
I am military, so I am definitely not one of the haves.
Now I knwo why you are an Obama supporter. “Flame On”????????

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

If CNN is your sole reference for facts, consider your source. It is not known as “Communist News Network” for nothing.

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

STILTON: Is comprehension a problem for you dear. I said “It certainly appears in debates and news items like Russia/Georgia that Obama can not make a good decision quickly….but McCain can.”
Your response indicates either a need to hear yourself talk or a serious lack of comprehension……I bet it is a serious lack of comprehension because that one has to have a comprehension problem in order to support Obama.

Posted by: soupyet | August 20, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

@Jeff S. -Deep South:
I wasn’t putting McCain down on military issues that John McCain himself already put down via his record. I never gave Obama the upper hand in all matters military, either. Try again.
By the way, just because I am not military doesn’t automagically make me an Obama supporter. And your assertion that all military side with McCain is also patently false. You must’ve missed what I said that active deployed servicemen and women are donating to Obama 6:1. Google it.
I was a Wes Clark supporter before I was an Obama supporter. In fact, my dream ticket this year was Feingold/Clark, not Obama/VP-as-yet-to-be-named. But like most progressives we’ll get behind anyone that isn’t Mr. 95% and Mr 27% approval rating if we want to save our country from that flushing sound we’re increasingly hearing.
Don’t try to change the subject. McCain is actively against Veterans through his voting record and Ronnie Reagan went senile, which is precisely why McCain is a bad choice. Period.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Joe Biden? Mr. Washington insider. Now thats change we can believe in. Maybe Obama will leave this decision to someone with a higher pay grade.

Posted by: Jim | August 20, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Jeff S – I’m a retired Marine officer, and firmly opposed to McCain’s candidacy on the basis of his foreign policy and national security judgment.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Furthermore, Jeff S, here’s a military comment for you. Not sure in which branch you serve, but I’m sure you know that among the Services, the one with a perception of having the most elitist officer corps is the Navy; particularly those who are boat schooled (attended the academy).
And the trappings of this elitism are readily apparent on ship. When Marines board a Navy ship, Marine officers are almost always embarrassed by them. For instance, though it differs ship by ship, in many cases enlisted personnel are required to serve officers their meals and even fetch their coffee.
This type of servitude is pretty alien to Marine culture, but at home in the Navy.
And Navy officers have a term for their enlisted personnel – Enlisted Friends. They say it with a snide smile, because the inside joke (one in which only Navy officers think is funny) is the F in friends is universally understood to refer to another word. Seriously. These guys think that’s funny.
Now take a look at John McCain, and how he’s always calling others “my friend.” Kind of makes me wonder. Is this just another juvenile Navy-like tongue-in-cheek joke?

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

We simply don’t need anyone soft on our nation’s defense. We have had it great economically for so long that everyone has become accustomed to it. Do I want the same prosperity to return? Sure but I am not willing to take risks to get it.
Our nation is sitll a lot better than just about any other nation. Look at fuel prices in other modern nations.
You said yourself a good VP and cabinet can make up for any age problem. It is not a given that he will go the way of Reagan. Reagan had a disease that attacks people of varying ages. It is not age dependent. You seem to be a person who likes facts and statistics. Check out the statistics on alzhiemers.

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Soup yet you really need to read more carefully. Russia orchestrated this whole conflict. I know its convienient to think otherwise but you need to deal with the real world and do more than vote present.

Posted by: Jim | August 20, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

By the way, Jeff S., I still work on a military base, though as a civilian. I can tell you McCain lost a lot of supporters with his “we are all Georgians” line.
Servicemembers I work with understand the implications of such talk.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Paul, I dont think he was ggetting served by enlisted men while a POW. Darn NAVY elitests

Posted by: Jim | August 20, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

Jim – I agree with what you’re saying, but let’s not pretend Georgians are completely without fault here. Or Americans, for that matter.
The centuries-old truism about Russia is a paranoia of encirclement from the West. So after the fall of the Soviet Union, what do we do? Try to push NATO all the way to the Caspian.
It just isn’t smart policy.
This doesn’t excuse Russia for anything, but we certainly could have worked things differently, and most likely been looking at a different situation today as a result.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

I am army. The component with the most boots on the ground and actually sees what is going on in country and not listening to the media to form my opinion.
I am not privy to issues in the Navy and it sounds like they have issues. I have been enlisted, warrant officer, and officer. The enlisted and NCO is the backbone of the Army and every officer knows it. I did know enough about the navy to know that I wanted no part of it.

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Jim – actually no, but he was being served by Cuban psychiatrists. You should take a look at the whole available record of McCain’s captivity.
And there’s conflicting reports from fellow prisoners as to whether he was singled out for harsher or more lenient treatment. We do know that he got to spend time in a hospital, which was unusual. And it was seemingly a trade he made in return for statements beyond what the Code of Conduct allows.
That said, I wasn’t there and don’t know how hard it was or wasn’t. I can guess being a POW, regardless of how you’re treated, is pretty trying.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

“And Navy officers have a term for their enlisted personnel – Enlisted Friends. They say it with a snide smile, because the inside joke is the F in friends is universally understood to refer to another word. Seriously. These guys think that’s funny.”
And Obama refers to Hillary as a B as in *ITCH and thinks thats funny too.

Posted by: verbage | August 20, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Jeff S – “The enlisted and NCO is the backbone of the Army and every officer knows it.”
Same in the Corps. I guess there’s something about being on the ground that makes us appreciate the men around us a little more.
I was arty, by the way, so was Army trained at Sill.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

Jeff S. -Deep South:
That was a rather reasoned response, man. I sincerely appreciate it. Thanks.
>>You said yourself a good VP and cabinet can make up for any age problem.
Do you really think that’s good election strategy though? Serious question. I don’t. I don’ think it’s acceptable to take the VP nomination as a serious presidential candidate because the actual presidential candidate might die, become senile, or otherwise. Would you admit McCain’s chances are possibly higher here than Obama’s because of his age? We’re electing the presidential candidate to the highest office of the land, not the VP pick.
Otherwise I agree a strong cabinet can make up for other weaknesses, but health issues is not one of them.
And I can turn that around and say you better believe Obama will have a first class cabinet for that very reason: plugging holes in his weaknesses, primarily because yes, he’s a rookie.
Look beyond all that for a second, though. You’re a military man. I’ll bet you’re proud of your country. I know I am. So, candid, heart to heart: does Obama have a vision of what he wants this country to be? Yes. Is it congruent with most Americans’ needs? I’d say emphatically, yes. Does he have leadership qualities that will transform his vision into reality? We don’t know but all we can do is hope so (sorry to use his phraseology there, but there is not a lot of synonyms for hope, and I think there’s a clear reason why).
But I can surmise one thing about Obama, and this is my own two cents: I like his vision of restoring the greatness that this country was founded on, that my grandfather fought hard for on those beaches in WWII. He deserves the chance. He’s no light weight. On the other hand the emptiness my pop returned to after Nam, even though he made great sacrifice to his family, sticks in my craw as his son. We should never forget what makes us a great country, such as winning WWII and taking Hitler out. But we should never forget the failings we’ve shown our men and women in uniform, in Nam, or Gulf War I, Afghanistan, or Gulf War II either to achieve cheap (or costly) political means. I flat out don’t get the same sense from McCain he believes in these values, that he sees soldiers as mere pawns on the larger chessboard, when in fact those men and women have lives, are someone’s brother, sister, father, mother. That’s what I can say are the deepest of my convictions.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Jim: I have said nothing about Russia/Georgia other than to say that Obama’s first comment showed a desire to speak simply becaus McCain was speaking on the issue but Obama clearly had no comprehension of the issue. The next day, after he had time to get the answer from McCain, then Obama’s comment was more correct. The point is that Obama can not make decisions. Look how many times he voted present….could not make a decision. And how long do you think Bush laughed when Obama backed the Bush/Cheeney energy bill which gives more tax breaks to big oil while both Hillary and the republican, McCain voted no?
Comprehension is a problem for most Obama supporters……if they did not have comprehension problems they would have backed Hillary and Obama knows it.

Posted by: soupyet | August 20, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

Stilton: “But we should never forget the failings we’ve shown our men and women in uniform…”
Truth be told, us Desert Storm vets had it pretty good. Our deployment didn’t last long, and when we got back, it was like the whole country wanted to make up for sticking it to the Vietnam vets.
But I agree that sense is slipping away. And I also noted McCain’s opposition to the new GI Bill, when he said something to the effect that if we make college available to some of these people, some might actually go…
I’m guessing that’s where your pawns comment is coming from, and why people like Webb were dumbfounded by McCain’s words.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

soupyet – I’ll take Obama’s response to the situation in Georgia over McCain’s any day and twice on Sundays.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

My main point is that a VP is important and should not be overlooked come election time.

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

STILTON:
I am not sold on the idea Obama will make better choices in people for VP, Cabinet, Supreme Court, or other decisions.

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

soupyet- Apparently you missed the memo that McCain’s comments were plagiarized from Wikipedia? By the way, that oil bill Obama voted for gave over a billion dollars to Louisiana for coastal wetlands protection and restoration including levee repair. This is the largest investment in history. The wetlands are one of the best hurricane protectors for Louisiana and we all know how badly they need to repair their still defaulty levees. Out of context, anything can be perceived as “bad”. Please learn more about the real facts.

Posted by: NC4Obama | August 20, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

OBAMA”S SLIPPING
Obama is coming apart at the seams. Had his questionable background been known before the first 11 primaries, Clinton would have won. Now he lives with his baggage and is dealing with McCain, who will not be as polite as Clinton. He’s on the way down and deservedly so.

Posted by: Billw | August 20, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

@Billw:
Dream on. The facts don’t back up what you’re espousing. The definitive source is fivethirtyeight.com:
Obama = 281.4 EV
McCain = 256.6 EV
Electoral votes are what counts. Ask Al Gore, who won the popular election but lost the Electoral Vote count (thanks in part to a partisan Supreme Court deciding in Bush’s favor) in 2000.
Also worth noting that in their simulation, 1387 of 10000 simulations shows Obama winning with a landslide (13.87%) election of 375+ EV. That is pretty remarkable.
The media narrative wants you to believe the race is neck and neck. It isn’t. Polling doesn’t take into account the number of undecided independents, either, who typically make up their mind within sight of the election. These undecideds are not insignificant. Sorry to say but historically undecided independents favor a Democratic nominee.
I’m guessing Obama will beat McCain in the popular vote by 11 points nationwide once the undecided independent voters make up their minds.

Posted by: STILTON | August 20, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Jeff: “I am not sold on the idea Obama will make better choices in people for VP, Cabinet, Supreme Court, or other decisions.”
There’s no way to know for sure. I’d offer only these three points.
1. Obama hasn’t been around Washington nor politics anywhere as long, so he’s more likely to make choices based on the appointee’s competencies than on personal relationships.
2. Similar to the first point, Obama has less involvement with lobbyists, which most likely will lead to less lobbyist influence on his picks.
3. Look at their respective campaign teams, and how well they’ve performed over the past year and a half. Though McCain’s implosions and shifts weren’t as dramatic as Clinton’s, there’s still a fair amount of drama. On Obama’s team, you get a sense of a well run organization. This suggests an ability to make better and more complementary hirings.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

I believe the real key is chief of staff. A good one makes for a well run administration, usually. A bad one, and its a nightmare.
Consider Clinton, before and after Leon Panetta was chief of staff. Same thing with Reagan, who had several, and each time it was a different White House.
What I’d like to see is a reporter ask both who they might tap as their chief of staff.

Posted by: Paul | August 20, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

BOTH CANDIDATES, AS WELL AS CONGRESS, MIGHT DO WELL TO LISTEN TO ANDREW BACEVICH… NOT JUST HEAR HIM
Only rarely does someone surface with qualifications as well as insights and a delivery that stimulate thinking. Even more rarely does an individual stimulate the very personal mental articulation of self observation.
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/08/andrew-bacevich-rare-sobering-voice.html
Bacevich deserves as broad an audience as can be exposed to his thoughtful analysis.

Posted by: PacificGatePost | August 20, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

Only time will tell folks, only time will tell. This “my dad can beat your dad” can go on from now until election D+1. It all boils down to waht the newsroom says after election day.

Posted by: Jeff S. -Deep South | August 20, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

STILTON:
“I’m guessing Obama will beat McCain in the popular vote by 11 points”
OK – I dream and you guess, but have you heard of the Bradley effect (check it out on Google). Also Obama’s downward trend in the polls will likely continue. Cheers.

Posted by: Billw | August 20, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Biden is the perfect VP candidate. He has everything that Obama lacks. And he’s a great guy! Obama/Biden can’t lose.

Posted by: Chris | August 20, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

jeez, is there a bigger windbag in the senate then biden? senator foghorn leghorn can’t shut up. i once saw him use his 20 minute question period without asking a question, even by d.c. standards this was newsworthy.are the dems really gunna run a guy who can’t talk without a tele-prompter with a guy who can’t stop talking?

Posted by: jim | August 20, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

In calling Obama a celebrity it is interesting to note that the person who has been a guest the most on talk shows is one John McCain. He must not having any mirrors in any of those 10 homes.

Posted by: bhciapol | August 20, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Ask Joe Biden about Jim Crow used in Delware public schools as a method to deal with racially bases bullying.
My son was ordered, in writing, not to use the hallway restrooms, he was to use the nurse’s restroom. He was also threatened with detention if he tried to attend any of his classes that had a substitute in charge. I was also threatend with a lawsuit for asking why my son was denied an equal education during school board meetings.

Posted by: Don Soles | August 20, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Go away Obama and everyone that works for you. McCain matter of factly tells the nation he will make his VP selection on August 29th. Enough said. No drama, no sensationalism. Obama has to work the entire media up into a lather for two weeks so His Royal Highness can keep himself in the newspapers. Will he do it today? Oh my god…maybe tomorrow. So cool that he will text it first. OOOOHHH. Does anyone give a frig who this imposter selects? It doesn’t matter.
Here’s the clincher:
Obama told an interviewer last week that the question of whether a fetus has rights is “above my pay grade”
Guess what Obama? The job of President of the United States is above your pay grade. Thank God the nation is figuring that out now.
McCain up by 5 points in today’s poll.
Commom sense prevails. Hold Obama accountable for his BS, people. Don’t let him get away with it!!!!!!

Posted by: Jim | August 20, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

HE DOSE NOT NEED BIDEN HE NEED HILLARY IF HE IS GOING TO WIN.

Posted by: JEFFREY WELSCH | August 21, 2008, 3:27 am 3:27 am

“Obama has no experience…inexperience will ruin this country.”
Frank, would you like to tell me what good it has been to have the experienced former Governor of Texas as president of the United States? If anyone’s ruined the country, it’s him.
Political office should be by lottery. It couldn’t be any worse than it is now.

Posted by: Kitty Wilberforce | August 21, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

Oh my god, Joe Biden is wearing Aviator glasses — is he trying to pass himself off as a Naval Aviator like John McCain?? Biden, why would you try to mislead the American people into thinking that you’re a hero like McCain???
Why would you do that?

Posted by: Jack | August 21, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Obama shows good taste in VP candidates, but Biden shows even better taste in coffee. The coffee Biden supplied to reporters — from Delaware coffee chain Brew Ha Ha! — is about the best I’ve ever tasted.

Posted by: Rick | August 23, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

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