By Natalie Gewargis

Aug 26, 2008 9:45am

Clinton-Obama Psychodrama

We took a look at the issues Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is having with Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and her die-hard supporters on "World News with Charles Gibson" HERE and on "Nightline" HERE.

For the record, in Iowa yesterday, I asked Obama if all of this, well, stuff — the Clinton supporters descending on Denver to bash him, former President Bill Clinton continually praising Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the fact that Hillary’s brother Tony Rodham last week met with officials of the McCain campaign – made him doubt the sincerity of Sen. Clinton’s endorsement.

(This was before her curious comments in which she was, again, pushing her oft-used but specious argument that she won more popular votes than did Obama. "Eighteen million people voted for me," she said.  "Eighteen million people, give or take, voted for Barack.")

Give or take. Nice.

"You know it doesn’t" make him doubt her sincerity, Obama said. "She could not have been more clear today, she could not have been more clear during the course of the last several months when she’s been campaigning. President Clinton could not be more clear about his strong support for my candidacy."

Obama continued, "The fact is that we had a very hard fought primary, there are going to be some of Sen Clinton’s supporters who we’re going to have to work hard to persuade to come on board, that’s not surprising. But if you, if you take a look, I think, at this week, I am absolutely convinced that both Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton understand the stakes, they understand that if we keep on doing the same things that we’re doing, which is what John McCain intends, then the American family is going to have a harder time paying the bills.  They’re going to have a harder time filling up the gas tank, they’re gonna have a tougher time getting health care, they’re going to have a harder time sending their kids to college, they’re going to have a harder time retiring.

"And you know," he concluded, "the Clintons love this country, and they love the Democratic Party and they are going to be active parts of our campaign for the remaining 70 days."

Good luck with that.

User Comments

The convention last night reminded me of the first Thanksgiving after my brother got married. He and his bimbo wife tried real hard to present the happy little marriage. After that the little woman never seemed to be around, or answer the phone when I called. Finally I asked my brother – did you kill her and bury her in the back yard? He laughed, and said she left him – three months earlier!!! I asked him: why the hell did you pretend the marriage was working when it was obvious that it wasn’t? His answer: “I just didn’t want to admit I made a mistake. I was trying to figure out how to tell the family.” When I watched the convention last night, I had the same feeling I had that Thanksgiving. This nomination is a train wreck in the making . …

Posted by: JB in St. Louis | August 26, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

I heard it took Susanne Malveaux from CNN 45 minutes on the convention floor to finally find a PUMA.
I think this whole Clinton-rift is way overblown by the press.

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 26, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Give or take. True. Obama took credit for Michigan votes that weren’t his.

Posted by: geevill | August 26, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

My God can’t they move on.Is this HOW dare you beat me?????How dare you do this to my wife we have planned this for 8 years.I am so SICK of this Clinton crap send them to India and leave them both there.

Posted by: indp voter | August 26, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

16 years ago, Bill and Hillary already did what Obama try to do, what change?

Posted by: stock_craft | August 26, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Jamie Allman on 97.1 FM on St. Louis, MO is at the convention in Denver. He reported this morning that, although the television cameras did not show it, there were delegates walking out during Michelle Obama’s speech last night, while others sat with their arms crossed and refused to clap when the rest of the audience. He said the tension is “palpable” between the Hillary and Obama supporters. He followed one of the female delegates who walked out during Michelle’s speech, and she agreed to talk to him. I don’t know if it was on the record or not – he did not identify her by name. She said that it was not only Republicans who were insulted by Michelle Obama’s statements about not being proud of her country. Many Democrats were insulted, too. She said that in her opinion, the Democratic Party was not united, and she didn’t expect it to be.

Posted by: JB in St. Louis | August 26, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

DNC and Obama cheated with Hillary supporters in Michigan and Florida. If all the delegates would have been seated then Hillary would have been the nominee. Hillary supporters will never forgive Obama and DNC for pushing an unqualified candidate (in Obama) down our throuat over a much more qualified candidate (in Hillary)

Posted by: CJ | August 26, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

IF HE WANTS TO WIN SO MUCH HE SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN HILLARY. WHO ELSE COULD BRING 18MILLION VOTES TO THE TABLE. FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY AND THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY HE SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN HER, BUT HIS EGO GOT IN THE WAY. AND THIS IS WHAT HE CALLS REACHING ACROSS THE ISLE??? WHAT A JOKE, I CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH HIS MESSAGE OF CHANGE. HE ONLY CARES ABOUT ONE THING, HIMSELF. SO BE IT, BUT DON’T BLAME THE CLINTONS WHEN HE LOSES!!!!! HE EXPECTS THEM TO ROLL OVER AND SUPPORT HIM 100%, BUT WHERE IS HIS RESPECT FOR HER??? NOWHERE.
HILLARY 2012!!!

Posted by: nobama | August 26, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Hillary Clinton can say whatever she likes. Why is that soooo much is depending on what she says tonite?
Hillary should not “sell out” for a party and the rude comments by Obama and his followes who have done nothing but totally disrepsect her and President Clinton.
In fact, the big change would be if McCain would actually make a formal vetting of Clinton, even if not serious, as a gesture of respect, if nothing else. (If any republican would do it; it would be McCain)
One thing the democrats don’t need is another hypocrite like Obama who says and does anything to get elected.

Posted by: NielPA | August 26, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

DNC as a loser every 4 years,they
decided this year to nominate a black
man to lead the party…..but
it’s not going to work either…..
Obama doesn’t qulify for the job
and democrats are divided…….
Bad news for november…..

Posted by: NICHOLAS | August 26, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

The MSM loves Joe Biden the 36-year Washington insider. the rest of America sees a loser who got close to zero votes.

Posted by: geevill | August 26, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Can’t wait until both Clintonites have finished their speeches…..then finally the Clinton era is over!
Then we can get on with Barack Obama’s run for the Presidency. That is what the Convention is really all about!
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Northern View | August 26, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Some “media” are beginning to print the truth and that is why the polls are not going up for Obama.
Editors rebuke Obama for the late revision of campaign finance documents that show extensive connections to ACORN. You know the group that faces criminal charges in connection to voter fraud in many areas of this country.

Posted by: Mike | August 26, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

If Obama really wanted the support of Clinton Democrats, he would have made her VP. Instead of unity, he chose division. I am no longer a Democrat.

Posted by: Jane | August 26, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Does everyone forget that Obama and Hillary both argreed not to count the vots from Michagan and florida?
AObama never had his name on the ballot.
Then Hillary cries foul and want those delagates?
Come people get over it. We need a Dem in the White house.

Posted by: Dan Tana | August 26, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

What BS. Hillary needs a doctor to help her with her loss.
She has a loose bolt, people, ad her own ego needs are such that she could hurt this party and this outstanding candidate.

Posted by: Richard McDonough | August 26, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

Bunch of cry babies everywhere. Whaaa Whaaa Hillary didn’t get what she wants, let’s throw a collective tantrum about “respect”.
Bunch of tools.

Posted by: Hans Meiser | August 26, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

Does everyone forget that Obama and Hillary both argreed not to count the vots from Michagan and florida?
So why are thet being seated now?

Posted by: geevill | August 26, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

I’m just glad Michelle didn’t tell the audience their souls were broken, and all they had to do to fix their broken souls was vote for her husband. That’s the kind of crap she used to say – until they gave her a make-over and told her to keep her mouth shut unless she had a script in front of her. She’s so much nicer now. Handlers and ad men can perform miracles, can’t they? They’ve turned two members of a radical, white-hating, America-hating church into Ozzie and Harriet, and the white-guilt liberals are eating it up like gravy over mashed potatoes. It’s a good thing not all Democrats are liberals, or suffer from white guilt syndrome.

Posted by: JB in St. Louis | August 26, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

A woman scorned!

Posted by: Zzz | August 26, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

The media has been in tank with Obama from day one.
Just because Obama and Mrs. Obama says it–doesn’t make it so.

Posted by: NielPA | August 26, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

I have been a democrat for my adult life and intend on voting for John McCain unless Obama has Clinton as his VP.

Posted by: new republican? | August 26, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Hillary is just starting up her 2012 bid a little early.
Nothing to see here.

Posted by: ChrisNBama | August 26, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

He should have picked for VP… Now I am not voting for him…

Posted by: Tom Hill | August 26, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

The Michigan, Florida, and California will join John McCain. Obama might get the luck from Red States, which support him from the Primary. Wish him luck.

Posted by: stock_craft | August 26, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

as a huge obama supporter
I don’t want the Hillary era to be over…
I want the era that is all Bill Clinton’s ego to stop overshadowing what we need to do now…
It’s Hill’s time…
not Bill’s time…
Bill say
“you know if it helps this is how we did it…but it is a different time so you have to come up with your own”
and step off and realize the high school isn’t a place for you to came and hang out anymore…
Let the new leadership lead..and don’t worry about your ego.
Hillary is part of that new generation of leadership. Bill needs to do as all the other ex president’s are doing
supporting…not expecting.

Posted by: dl | August 26, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Obama selected an Irish Catholic — hoping to obtain the Catholic vote.
This morning several Bishops have condemed Pelosi, Biden and Kennedy for their pro-abortion stance. The Catholic Church has always maintained that life begins at Conception.

Posted by: Gracie | August 26, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Obama is a breath of fresh air to an otherwise terminal Republican state of affairs in the White House. I am no longer a Republican – Obama is the future – Democrats have historically produced the best economies because they understand and support the working middle class, not big business and trust fund millionaires.

Posted by: Josh | August 26, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

After being in the democratic party for over 20 years, I too am an ex-democrat.

Posted by: NielPA | August 26, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Barack Obama Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton
could be the new team that takes us out of this mess…
please do not let Bill and PUMA screw it up.

Posted by: dl | August 26, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

“If Obama really wanted the support of Clinton Democrats, he would have made her VP. Instead of unity, he chose division. I am no longer a Democrat.”
_______________________________________
Well, go ahead and vote for McCain or sit at home.
Remember, that Obama represents the values that Hillary has been fighting for, and that presumably you supported. Unless you are subject to the “cult of personality” rather than the issues and ideals represented by the party.
If McCain is elected, he will have an opportunity to select one or two conservative jurists to the Supreme Court.
An already right leaning court will be firmly cemented in conservative ideology for over a generation.
If you like the idea of Roe V. Wade being overturned, and the issue of abortion being left to the states, then, by all means, sit at home or vote for McCain. If you like to see an expansion of executive power, and a continued fraying of our civil liberties, then by all means, sit at home or vote for McCain.
I think it’s time for democrats, if you truly are one rather than a acolyte in the “cult of personality”, to stand up and elect a democrat for President.

Posted by: ChrisNBama | August 26, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

The Republicans want us to be divided in November so they can stay the course with tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans – during a time of war – no real solution for health care other than to let the omnipotent free market decide the fate of millions of uninsured and under-insured families and fixed income seniors. Capitalism is a good thing, but it’s not the answer to all of our problems, not unless you happen to be a millionaire, and own 7 houses like McSame as Bush.

Posted by: David | August 26, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

LOL…you people saying you are voting for McCain are NOT FOOLING ANYONE.
You are just another worhtless identity voter and the Democratic party is better without you, especially since you obviouslt do not read about THE ISSUES.

Posted by: Wha? | August 26, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Rumor has it a and it might be a good idea for the Republicans if John McCain chose Condelisa Rice as his VP>
She is strong on Russian history and politics, an accomplished pianist, strong on foreign policy, a strong woman and would be a strong viable force. I think also that some folks that do not care for Michelle Obama and Barack Obama would switch votes!!! Thoughts???

Posted by: TheRedhead | August 26, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

This is a non-issue. It is built up by the media for ratings. they have no serious interest in discuss real issues for real Americans.

Posted by: Wha? | August 26, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

How easy we forget….. Floriday and Michigan new the Dem Party rules about voting to early, however they choose to do so anyway. They broke the rules and lost the votes. What more is there to say. Never mind that Clinton left her name on the ballot anyway. Ya… no wonder the popular vote was stolen from her. OOOPs… sorry I forgot. Our great Nation has used delegates for a couple of centuries now… not the popular method! Isn’t it funny how the liberial cry foul…. as in someone stole the election from them?

Posted by: theWOZ | August 26, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

“Obama continued, “… there are going to be some of Sen Clinton’s supporters who we’re going to have to work hard to persuade to come on board …” Well, he should have started doing that back in June. His people and his wife spent nearly a year insulting not just Hillary, but her supporters – told us we didn’t have a right to vote for our candidate, told us we were unAmerican and stupid, told us we didn’t deserve to vote, period. Then instead of apologizing and asking for support, he just asked for our money. I don’t like being taken for granted, or ordered by the DNC and Obama to “get over it” and be loyal to a man who has dissed me for months.

Posted by: deb | August 26, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

PUMA = Republican
Anyone that believes these people were ever Democrats is a fool.

Posted by: gotam | August 26, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

ALL clinton supporters need to grow up and accept that a change is invitable,we all know the REAL reason why so many are against obama it’s a crying shame that the old days are still here today.GIVE HIM A BREAK, if all this was the other way round, there would not be so many complaints.The clintons are not team players as well.

Posted by: naptali | August 26, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

The Obama camp cheated with the caucus and he will not be able to do that with the presidential race with mccain. He failed to bring hillary on the ticket and now he will lose because of it. bad choices and sexism. gotta love america.

Posted by: Brian in TX | August 26, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

I am an African American male (age 45) and I am deeply saddend by Obama’s cowardice and insincerity towards the Clintons. He isn’t deserving enough to lead dogs let alone the country.

Posted by: Sherwood | August 26, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Way back in 1960, almost as many people voted for Nixon/Lodge as for Kennedy/Johnson. Historic change is hard to make and when historic change is at stake, every vote counts. Regarding political issues, Clinton and Obama are identical twins. I am convinced the so-called Clinton die-hards are actually Rush Limbaugh fans who voted for her in the primaries to stir the pot. There is no logical reason why a person who supported Clinton would not reflexively support Obama, given the circumstances. Part of the Clinton die-hards story is also the media attempting to stir the pot. It’s boring, old news and illogical.

Posted by: Thoren | August 26, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Remeber, people don;t like change, especially when the chnage is not their making.
Sorry fake Dems, Obama will beat you.

Posted by: ... | August 26, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

So you are all bitter, I understand that. You have your views, and I acknowlegde those, and respect them. But…
If you will not vote for the Dems this fall out of spite, for the mere reason that Clinton didn’t make it past the primaries or she wasn’t added to the ticket, what are you doing for our country, our party?
The situation will end up with McCain winning, and lead to another four years at least of the Republican dominated, big oil, anti-environment administration that has messed things up for the past eight.
In my opinion, to not vote Dem. out of spite for Hillary, is more disrespectful to her than anything. She worked hard….very, very hard for what she believed in. The ball didn’t bounce her way, and in the end, she had to make a sacrifice for the integrity of the values she holds. She publicly callled for unity….we all know she would have had it a different way, but the fact remains that the Dems. need to win this November. She wants them to win too.
Cutting off your nose to spite your face has never been a sucessful strategy. I say, the best way to show her the respect she deserves, is to give her credit for what she has done, then move on to the underlying situation which ALL Democrats should be voting for. I say respect Clinton by making sure that The Republicans are ousted, and blaze a path that the Dems can follow for years to come. She can try again in four years…..

Posted by: AA | August 26, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

The Clintons need to go jump off a bridge. They are big babies and have never ever supported a democrat into getting in office, all they care about is themselves. Im sick and tired of it, they deserve no more respect than the next man. Get over psycho Clintons!

Posted by: sickntired | August 26, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

I’ve been reading a lot of this stuff over the last few days and weeks, and I still don’t quite get the anger at Obama. Sure, he’s very inexperienced. But why the anger? WHat did he do, apart from beating her when she assumed she was the nominee? ANger at the media I understand. THey have and continue largely to be Obama lap dogs. But didn’t Obama run a fairly clean campaign against Clinton? (Less so against McCain.) Now, the Clinton campaign on the other hand…

Posted by: Judasmac | August 26, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

NielPA, you don’t have to leave Dem Party. Do as me, voting for John McCain. He seems a little old but he will do better than the inexperience rival. The Dem definitely will have a major cleanup after November election. Dean and Pelosi should resign after Obama’s big lost.

Posted by: stock_craft | August 26, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Do many of the Hillary supporters really want a continuation of the Bush administration and our ruined economy? What is the world is wrong with those people to be so vindictive, just because their candidate did not win?

Posted by: Oregon man | August 26, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

This whole subject is old and tired.

Posted by: Are we still on this non-issue | August 26, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

The Hillary supporters stating their intention to become Republicans because their fave wasn’t chosen as VP????? Instead of thinking, intelligent adults, it seems we have a group of petulant, pouting, adolescents who may be more dangerous to democracy than the Georgie Porgie clone they intend to vote for out of spite.

Posted by: Thomas Chance | August 26, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

I dont think american is ready for a black president. Most Hillary supporters are not going to vote for Obama. They feel cheated by media which unfairly treated her. They might sit at home or vote for mccain in order take out their frustration with Obama.
Honestly we can talk about change etc… but obama is not president material. He has no real accomplishment and experience.

Posted by: Ron | August 26, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Enough fighting amongst ourselves, and I agree, enough of the Republicans claiming to be Hillary supporters that are turning coat for McSame as Bush. I don’t believe any of you that claim as much. Obama = Hillary on ALL the issues. If you truly supported Hillary and the issues she champions then there is no decision to make in this election – Obama is your candidate. McSame as Bush will overturn Roe V. Wade, appointing the most Right Wing Hack Job Supreme Court in this nation’s history. He will do nothing to solve our health care woes, nothing to right the ship of our outdated economy, and nothing to make us more secure the world over, other than to promise to root out all evil and defeat it wherever it exists – translation – MORE WAR. Let’s tend to our own problems before we try to fix the globe.

Posted by: Stewart | August 26, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Does Clinton really think that Michigan and Florida delegates are undisputed? Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan. They didn’t campaign in either state. Some people in the states didn’t vote because they understood that the rules were broken and that there are consequences when you break the rules. Imagine that…people in this country who are willing to be held accountable.
Face the facts; those votes are controversial by nature and not representative of the true vote, and Clinton only cared about those delegates once they were necessary for her to win.

Posted by: DCX2 | August 26, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

oh, and one more note:
I would LOVE to see Cindy Mccain stand up and talk for more than 5 minutes without making a complete mockery of the Rep. campaign. As far as first ladies go….I see Michelle as an eloquent, intelligent woman. Cindy? hehe. Just watch any speech made by McCain where his wife is standing next to him……need I say more?

Posted by: Aa | August 26, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Big Deal! I think its great that the clintons are not giving 100% to the Obama campaign. And, I don’t really care about the black delegates being seething about the Clinton supporters still remaining loyal to Hillary Clinton. I absolutely love it! I was always a person who championed the causes of the minorities, gays, etc. and even lost jobs defending them. But, my 40 year alliance is now over! I would never stand by and let anyone be physically abused or worse, but, I will NOT take a stand to help any minority after the way they stabbed the Clintons in the back. The Clintons gave a combined years of service, 80 years, championing the causes of the downtrodden, minorities, women, etc. and for the the black community and any woman who supports Obama, is a disgrace! I hope he gets trounced in November by McCain. And, we really don’t care whether the black community and Obama supporters boycott any candidate we support in the future. If they wish to do that, no problem. We can keep a Republican in office forever for all I care. Because we too have dug our heels into the dirt and WILL NOT BUDGE! I’m done!

Posted by: Mary Anne | August 26, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

It’s the economy – stupid!! Yes – Barack was and is right on Iraq war. Barack is also right on Afganistan, but the paramount has shifted to domestic issues long time ago (sub-prime, health-care, unemployment,competitiveness of US businesses, energy policy, etc.) Barack has not been as articulate on these subjects as he was/is on Iraq. We don’t need a “preacher” or a “professor” as a leader -we need a bull fighter, and Barack – sorry to say – you are no bull fighter we need. Setting up a grand vision goes only so much, it’s the fight in the political trenches that wins the battle. McCain knows it. Hillary knows it.
If we loose this election the responsibility will squarely be on the shoulders of ultra-liberal Kennedy centered cabal of idealists. We need the “realist” wing of Democratic party to prevail.
In conclusion: Hilary 2012!!!!

Posted by: Andrew | August 26, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Well, it took a little spit and polish but, at least, Michelle didn’t stick her foot in her mouth this time. And, where was she going with the kudos for Hillary? So evident it was a ploy to garner Hillary supporters. And the climate of the speech was so laced with empathy for the black community. It’s all us, Michelle–all of us.

Posted by: Saundra | August 26, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Media is making too much of Clinton issue. I don’t think people commenting here and pretending like Hillary Democrats are Democrats. This is Rush Limbaugh’s “operation chaos” in practice. Republicans are trying to make this look like a big issue. If Hillary says she’s supporting Obama 100%, then it is OVER. In fact, it was over two months ago.
By the way I am a huge Huckabee supporter, Republican and I will vote Obama if Huckabee is not McCain’s VP!!! Because Huckabee was treated very bad in primaries and the press. :)

Posted by: Rob | August 26, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Don’t people remember that her “18 million votes” include votes that didn’t have Obama on the ballot?
Do you really want more corporate control over the government? Vote for McCain, he’ll put this country in more debt for the sake of large company profits just like Bust did.
People have to realize that companies don’t care about America’s welfare anymore and will just ship for the almighty profit.
Hillary and Bill have to be quite selfish to allow this fit to continue. If Obama loses, I can almost tell that the democrats won’t have anything to do with the Clintons.

Posted by: AGiganticPanda | August 26, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

McCain is the anti-Hillary! Nobody who cares about the agenda Clinton supported would ever vote for him. A lot of us wanted a candidate other than Obama, but none of us want the kind of America that McCain would leave us.
Barack is intelligent and progressive–maybe not your first choice, but a good choice. Ignore the fake Dems on these blogs who are spouting the message of sour grapes. Elect Obama and end the disaster of Republican rule.

Posted by: Trance in LA | August 26, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Fact it clear. We are in the brink of disaster. Think Obama can do anything. Think of about it. Let him win and watch what is going to happen in the white house and the whole US of A. If it quacks like a Duck, Its a freaking DUCK.

Posted by: Max M | August 26, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

No matter the outcome of past events, the candidates are selected and it’s either going to be Barack Obama or John McCain.
I think the decision should be more than simple. Should we choose an aging playboy, who almost flunked out of the U.S. Naval Academy, cheated on and left a wife who was faithful for the five and a half years he was a POW, and who has had a less-than-mediocre career in Washington. Or should we choose a young, charismatic, intelligent man who was the first black man to be the President of the Harvard Law Review, and who has initiated and gathered supporters in order to place some of the toughest anti-lobbyist legislation we’ve seen since, well, ever.
Barack Obama may be a junior senator, but he is no idiot, and I think his message is clear. He wants to give this country back to who it really belongs to, the average, hard-working, American citizen. And this dream has the potential to be extinguished by something as petty as juvenile bitterness. Sad day indeed.

Posted by: Chris | August 26, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

Judasmac post: “…and I still don’t quite get the anger at Obama”
Who is anger at Obama? You are wrong. We don’t think he can do the job of a US President. As his running mate Joe Biden agreed, Americans can’t offer a training job for an inexperience President

Posted by: stock_craft | August 26, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Let’s face it… If Obama wins, Hillary may have to wait another eight more years for her shot at the presidency.
If McCain wins… considering his age, she could be looking at just four.
Obama made a big mistake on his selection. If he loses, his shot at the presidency will be gone for good.

Posted by: J Sisk | August 26, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Cheers a little spit and polish indeed. But, she spoke, and spoke well.

Posted by: Aa | August 26, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Hillary girls, litsen, it is precisly your girly, sulking when things do not go your way that put off millions and millions of people. You girls howling and demanding is only going to consolidate what a lot of people out there have been feeling deep inside.

Posted by: Keith | August 26, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Why many democrats do not like Obama or ever will:
Obama = Bush
. . .in his arrogance, no contest.
His values do not reflect democratic values, no matter how Obama or his crowd tries to spin it.
I for one, used to be a democrat-but am sick of the far left taking over our party–with their “low standards” of common sense values.
Yes, I am from “bitter” PA; and totally resent his arrogance and insults to “middle America”.

Posted by: NielPA | August 26, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

It is quite silly to insist, like some people here, that the democratic nominee
should have chosen the VP that they like best. You don’t have to work with this VP!
Obama had to pick the person who he felt he could be most comfortable with, and work best with, to get the job done.
Anyone who says they are leaving the Democratic party because Obama didn’t pick who they like, seems to be more about personal vanity than any real commitment to the values of the democratic party.
They should go ahead and vote McCain, but then not complain, but rather hush up, when they end up getting 4 more years of Bush policies.

Posted by: Sam | August 26, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

I think that anyone who actually believed that Obama was going to choose Hillary as his VP is just fooling themselves. All through their campaigning their have been opposites on almost every point, why would you choose someone who does NOT stand for what you do? I salute Obama for not going with the popular vote! I am a woman and I am not a Clinton supporter,being a woman does not automatically make you a defender of women’s rights. After all she is a politician.

Posted by: Rose | August 26, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

These so-called Clintonites are just Republican plants. They want to disrupt the Democratic Convention, that’s all it is.

Posted by: geecee | August 26, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Is anyone really ever prepared to lead the free world? I mean honestly, they don’t exactly offer training seminars for Future Presidents of the United States.
Is Barack Obama ready to be President, I’d no, but I wouldn’t say anyone else in the world is ready to take on the job either.

Posted by: Chris | August 26, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

You know, if the HILLARY-ites REALLY want to give their girl a good shot at the presidency, they need to for for Johnny Mac.
That way, Hilly’s got another shot at it in 2012, and she’s only 64. If she waits until 2016, she’ll be 68, and far removed from the Clinton White House.
She’ll also be able to make the argument that Barry wasn’t electable and that she should have been the nominee in 2008.
But, if Barry wins, she’s out of luck either way. Either he’s in for 8 years, which puts her running at 68, or he’s in for four years, and has done such a bad job that he loses in 2012 to a Republican who then has at least four years in office, until 2016.
Again, she’d be 68. I know Johnny’s 71 now, but I don’t see Hilly running for Prez at age 68, or 72.
If you want HILLY to have a chance in 2012, vote for McCain in November

Posted by: SamSham | August 26, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Chris,
That’s a poor argument. By your logic since there is not “training” for presdient, my 4 year old is just as qualified as, say, McCain or Obama.
Think before you write please.

Posted by: JA | August 26, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

It’s amazing to see so many Obama followers are in complete denial. They see a historic event–without considering the makeup of the type of character it takes to be president.

Posted by: NielPA | August 26, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

I don’t really understand how people can say that Hillary is such a strong woman. I mean really, look at the unbelievable amount of crap Bill has done.
Any REAL strong woman would have left him after finding out what he had done the first time. The funny thing is that now there are new rumors circulating that Bill was having another affair during the her summer campaign season. Go figure.

Posted by: Chris | August 26, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Wow…time flies. Now I’m 60 years old. I’ve always hated politics and political campaigns. But I do vote and do support that right. So many lies are told and so many promises made that can’t be filled. We should all take this election seriously and during the campaign buildup, make our positions known on the many issues facing this country. I am a conservative and dead set against tax increases and the expansion of government. My biggest issue is with both parties having expanded the US government to where it is 43% of the annual GNP of the US! Government spending growth is 8X the growth of the economy. The billions of defense spending is only about 5% of the federal budget. Social spending is out of control. Thanks for the soapbox. I encourage you to read information detail of both conservative and liberal sources to understand where your tax dollars go. Here’s one that makes it very clear what is happening. Yes this is another legacy you are leaving your grandchildren….

Posted by: Sun Tzu | August 26, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

NielPA:
I suppose your 4 year is a Harvard Scholar and has written multiple pieces of legislation about lobbyist reform?

Posted by: Chris | August 26, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

The Democratic Party made a serious mistake for nominating a weak and inexperience Presidential candidate. And, the would be nominee Sen Obama picked the wrong VP who is not capable of uniting the Dems…these blunders will cost Obama the White House.
Good luck Senator John McCain!

Posted by: fvidanes | August 26, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

NeilPA:
You may also want to look up the word “metaphor.”

Posted by: Chris | August 26, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

I’m writing from the perspective of a moderate who has voted for Democrats for the past 20 years. I’m not a socialist, and I’m not born again. I don’t like the direction that either major PARTY in this country is going (Do I want big brother in my bedroom or in my wallet? Neither, thanks.). At any time during the past year, I’ve seriously looked at (and liked) McCain, Obama, & Clinton. I think they’ve all got great qualities (and all have shortcomings). I recognize that McCain is pandering to the right but the reality is, he’s far from Bush and has been for many, many years. I’m worried he’ll vote for conservative justices, but otherwise, I like him. I like Obama’s youth and passion and hell yeah, we do need a change. But in the past few weeks I see him as arrogant. I feared he had radical leanings (his pastor- whether he sat through the crazy sermons or not, don’t say he didn’t know what this guy believed – that’s just crap). Now – he completely ignores 25% of the voting population and 50% of the democrats? What kind of arrogance is this? We’ve had 8 years of one kind of radical arrogance – I’m not sure I need another 8 (only radical in a different direction). Sorry dems but once again, you’ve totally screwed up and instead of fixing it, you’re sniping at the other half b/c they don’t agree with you. I guess this is the arrogance of liberalism we have to look forward to.

Posted by: Jennie | August 26, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am

In the infamous words of Rodney King…
“Can’t we all just get along?”
I believe the Dems are in for a drastic restructuring. Following of course, the inevitable implosion when the GOP sweeps the election. Again.

Posted by: J Sisk | August 26, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

Wow… what a mess !!! Hello to our next President… John McCain…

Posted by: spiritguide | August 26, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

Jennie, stop allowing the media to lead you around by the nose and think for yourself. Have you seen any evidence of this from Obama himself, rather than from the media saying what Obama thinks? Don’t take the media at face value, judge what Obama himself actually says.

Posted by: Mike | August 26, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

A lot of ignorance being shown in these comments. Obama and DNC did not cheat with the Michigan and Florida votes. These two states did not follow the rules of the party and as a result were penalised. The states knew what the penalties were before they set their dates, both candidates knew what the penalties were, but now Clinton is kicking up a fuss because she did not get the nomination and feels that these two states could have helped her win the vote. What a load of nonsense. Secondly the votes supposedly allocated to each of these candidates in these two states cannot be verified because they were not counted and Obama did not even campaign in one of the states because the two parties – Clinton and Obama – had agreed not to campaign as the votes would not be counted due to their early vote date. But Clinton went ahead and campaigned.
These so called Hillary supporters are the ones who are dividing the party. Obama is wasting precious campaign time pandering to them. The Republicans are making the most of this situation and then more time is wasted refuting the Republicans claims and Ads.
If Clinton had won this would never have happened, and Hillary and Bill would not have tolerated such disrespect from the supporters. I am glad Obama did not choose Clinton. If she had showed her support of his nomination in June, then maybe she would have been chosen. But she has been sitting on the sidelines since then, hanging on to these so called 18 million voters – saying she is handing them over and in the same breath not quite handing them over. I’m tired of them. They are obviously not Democrats. If they were there would be no questions as to where their loyalties lie. How can they be talking about voting for McCain? If you want to vote McCain go ahead. It’s obvious that you only backed Hillary because she was a female and not becuase you were a democrat. Vote McCain and you will get the President you deserve. In a few years time we will be burying you or your children killed in some senseless war.
On the other hand – the media is also fuelling this so called conflict. I know for a fact that there are McCain supporters posing as PUMA supporters.

Posted by: Terri | August 26, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

I never expected Obama to pick Hillary as his running mate. I wanted him too. But realized early on his ego wouldn’t allow it. The primary campaign was no different than any other. Joe Biden said many of the same things that Hillary said about Obama.He’s the definition of old politics.Many Hillary voters aren’t buying his VP pick. The drama came from the media that induced a negative frenzy around the Clintons. When the attacks weren’t deterring Hillary’s supporters, they started on Bill. What they didn’t bargain for were those of us that still like the Clintons and remember our prosperity under the Clinton administration.Prosperity which has vanished under Bush.And yes you can make any argument you want about the stock market slipping and whatever at the end of the Clinton years, but it really dosen’t matter to the people I know. And those of us that are union and blue collar workers, are feeling the ire of the attacks the most. When you attack the Clinton’s, you attck us.wWorse,attacks from our own party. And watching Obama sink in the polls, somebody needs to take this campaign and turn it around. Quick.Many people I talk to say they won’t vote at all. Which is just like a vote for McCain. This is a potental disaster.

Posted by: Bea | August 26, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Why is the media giving this crap story so much play? No one gives a crap. Hillary lost and had lots of supporters just like EVERY OTHER primary campaign every run! The media continues to focus on this none story because they’ve all become Hollywood tabloids and DIRT sells! Sickening.

Posted by: jb2 | August 26, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Everything people say they have heard is just the media talking. None of it has come out of Obama’s mouth. People use your brains. Listen to what he is saying, not what other people are saying. How can you all be so stupid and not even check the facts about what you hear. What are you all – just following the pack?

Posted by: Terri | August 26, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

All you libs that support BHO for president, and talk about our civil liberties being eroded if there is a Republican in the White House need to wake up… BHO is just as bad if not worse than Bush or McCain. He has consistently supported (unconstitution) gun bans, didn’t vote on FISA (can’t tell if he’s for/against, like on many other issues), and wants to take your hard-earned money (0.7% of GDP) and give it to poor people IN OTHER COUNTRIES (Global Poverty Act). If that doesn’t violate my civil liberties, I don’t know what does. Break the 2-party system.
- DON’T TREAD ON ME -

Posted by: GMS | August 26, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Whatever drama exists the media is a large part of it. Who cares? Is this really news? Most of the news is about how there might be news or how the Obama camp fears there will be news, but there isn’t any real news here. Some disgruntled voters– not very many. this puma group, big deal, they had a rally here in DC a month ago and about 10 people showed. Are they democrats or republicans? Ted Kennedy spoke last night! Now that is news.

Posted by: mel | August 26, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

NielPA: “…without considering the makeup of the type of character it takes to be president.”
and by ‘character’ do you mean bush? please… yeah, he’s a character alright.
or do you mean mccain, who called his wife a **** in front of a bunch of people? yeah, that’s exactly the type of character i want in my president.
hmm… white and rich… and in both cases their daddy’s got them into places they wouldn’t have otherwise been able to get into.
republicans always want to talk about character, integrity, and values. funny how they never seem to *demonstrate* any of those things. mccain used to, but over the last three or four years he’s totally changed in order get elected.
i’m not trying to say that the dems are the shining examples, but at least they don’t try to say they are.

Posted by: decompiler | August 26, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

I’m a Hillary supporter who might not be voting in the presidential race, for Obama or McCain. I’m a life long democrat, but I’ve never felt so ignored by my party before. It’s not about Obama snubbing Hillary. It’s about him snubbing the 18,000,000 people who voted for her for a reason. She was our voice, and Obama has not been our voice.
She wanted mandatory United Healthcare. Obama wants to offer it to everyone, but make it mandatory only for children. That might sound like a great compromise, until you realize that children need parents. If their parent dies from breast cancer or something because they aren’t receiving medical attention, the children are the ones who suffer.
Also, as a woman I really had a huge problem with Michelle Obama at a Women for Obama Rally implying that Hillary Clinton needed to take care of her own house before attempting the White House. In classic political style, she didn’t use Hillary’s name, but every woman there stood and cheered and understood the implication.
In the world I live in, a man’s cheating on his wife may be a reflection on him and the person he was with, but is absolutely not a reflection on the person being cheated on.
Also, Hillary respected the voice that had supported Obama, and had the intelligence to let them know that they would not be forgotten. There WOULD be a dream ticket if she got the nomination.
I’m repulsed that Obama couldn’t return the courtesy. He wants to make it about him and her. He doesn’t want to see us. He wants us to find a way to blend in with their team, without actually acknowledging that HE HEARS US. He’s acting like a man who believes he has a mandate when he really doesn’t. It was sad to watch that happen with Bush, and it’s sad to see it again with Obama.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 26, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

This is a whole made up story by the MSM. If it bleeds, it leads. The media needs a juicy story and the Clintons always make for a good one.
Though I did not support Hillary, I know she wants what’s best for this country and all McCain has to offer is four more years of the same and maybe a couple more wars and maybe reinstating the draft. No thanks.
I can’t wait for her speech tonight.

Posted by: cincyr | August 26, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

First of all it was a strategic choice of Team Obama to keep him off the ballot in Michigan. He was so far behind in that state that they kept his name off the ballot because even though the votes weren’t going to count they didn’t want him to end up looking bad because he was trailing Hillary so much there.
I first heard this on NPR and you can research it yourself if you don’t believe me.
Second of all – you guys are wrong to think Hillary supporters will be staying home or voting for McCain out of childish spite. The fact is that at this point, I simply trust McCain more, even if I don’t agree with a lot of the basic Republican platform.
Obama reminds me of Bush in some ways, with his overconfidence and even wanting this job in the first place w/so little experience. A responsible person would WANT more experience.
If I was training to be a pilot for example, I would INSIST on having as much training as possible before flying a jumbo jet full of kids across the world. Obama treats the experience issue as if it’s some kind of a joke.
That truly scares me. It’s not just about the Democratic platform – you have to feel like you can trust the capacitites of the person who is going to have the most powerful position on the planet. He could have been VP to Hillary and gotten 8 years in the White House and THEN been pres. for 8 more years.
That would have demonstrated true judgment in my opinion.
Also, why did he refuse the townhall debates with McCain? Anyone who thinks he’s ready for the presidency of the US ought to think he’s ready for a TOWN HALL DEBATE against McCain! How is he going to deal w/Iran and everything else that’s going on if he can’t handle any non-scripted spontaneous events?
Not everything is about platform. Some of being president is being able to make the right decisions in the moment in very unpredictable situations.
In spite of the fact that I support Democrats on most issues (particulary domestic) I really do not trust Obama’s capacitites and especially not when it comes to international affairs. McCain is not a typical Republican and I have come to see him as the lesser of two evils at this point. If he picks someone like Romney though, I will stay home.
But no, this is not childish spite. And if Hillary and Obama’s positions are so similar than why did Michelle Obama herself threaten to not vote Democratic if Hillary won the nomination?

Posted by: Sarah | August 26, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

Terri,
Open up your eyes Terri. It’s time for the blinders to come off. Change just for the sake of change, is not the way to go.
Obama has too many character and ideological flaws to ever consider him as presidential material. Just look at his spritual leader/advisor for the past twenty years, Jeremiah Wright.
War is hell. Atleast the war is over there and not here. IF Obama wins…
We may be burying you or your children killed by some terrorist act carried out here in the United States.

Posted by: J Sisk | August 26, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

“Why has the country elected only two Democrats as President in the last 40 years? It’s very simple. The majority of the country is middle of the road, maybe a little bit to the right. The Democrats keep nominating very liberal candidates, too liberal for many Democrats.Reluctant McCain Dem | Aug 26, 2008 11:22:19 AM”
Baloney! Unfortunately, young people who are more liberal than old people, too often don’t go and vote. Old people who are more conservative go and vote.
People in rural areas go and vote… Etc.. That’s why old people rule th world.. The same old stuff as usual..

Posted by: ghost | August 26, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

PUMA’s have to be the most despicable people on earth. They’re willing to sacrifice everything they believe in, including abortion rights and ending the war in Iraq, because they hold a grudge. They will be responsible for putting a warmongering old fool in the White House, the man who called Chelsea ugly, laughed when a supporter called Hillary a b*****, and voted to impeach Bill. Idiots.

Posted by: Seamus | August 26, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

JB in St. Louis,
Repeating a silly story about your brother’s failed marriage isn’t going to make it any more witty.
There’s no train wreck, much as you want to see one. The Clintons will have to give in and work with Obama and that’s just it.
BC may have favors he can call in, and he can make things difficult, but his goal isn’t Hillary in the office. BilClinton’s goal is to restore the Clinton name and build a legacy. Too bad he messed it all up, the red faced liar he is.

Posted by: Hans Meiser | August 26, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

I’m American-born from a family that has been here for generations; my grandfather fought in the war as an American soldier. I went to Ivy League schools on my own merit – my family couldn’t afford it, but I earned it, and it WASN’T affirmative action. I made editor of the Harvard Law Review. Sure, I can put a few words together into a decent sentence to help motivate people. I like working with people – I have a history of working with people, and helping them to organize for change in their communities. Now, I want to do this on a national scale, to help ALL of the American people to effect change for the betterment of our country in things like the economy and healthcare and better ways of satisfying our energy needs. I am committed to doing this, and I understand the high personal price I must pay, including the cost to my family. BUT HATE ME, BECAUSE I’M BLACK!!!

Posted by: Misty Fied | August 26, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Give me a break, the Obama people are setting the Dems up for a loss and he is trying to pin the blame on the Clintons. As a post Hillary supporter I will vote for Barrack but let’s be clear… it is HIS job to win us over, it is not Hillary’s job to deliver us. The Clinton’s are doing their part and playing the game, Barrack is not doing himself any favors by not trying to get us on board. This loss, if it is one, will not be because of the Clinton’s, it will be because of a flawed candidate with too much arrogance and a REALLY stupid electorate.

Posted by: Chipo1965 | August 26, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

“We may be burying you or your children killed by some terrorist act carried out here in the United States.
Posted by: J Sisk | Aug 26, 2008 11:31:08 AM”
I am just wondering if you live in US in 2001. It was Republican Party and Republican President when 9/11 happened.
You are trying to tell us that if Obama is a President, CIA is going to stop working or what? Logic is not your best friend, is it? You think if McBush is a president all the terrorist group will get really scared?;)) They will be so afraid of 72 years old politician and his buddy Liberman who can stop pushing this country to start the war with Iraq.. How smart! ;((( McBush said he HATES WAR but he is really eager to start couple more…
Sad..

Posted by: ghost | August 26, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

This is all ridiculously overblown. A poll of delegates revealed today on TV (CBS) states only 5% still back Hillary. Plus, Terry McAuliffe reports Pres. Bill Clinton has written a speech already and is “fired-up” with support for Obama. Both Dee Dee Myers and McAuliffe say there is nothing but increasing unity and passion in the Democratic Party, and they simply wouldn’t if the Clintons didn’t let them.

Posted by: Desmond | August 26, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Come on…! Race has nothing to do with it. Everytime something happens to a black person, the race card is pulled. The problems I have with Barrack are his associations with leftist antagonizers.

Posted by: J Sisk | August 26, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

An Obama-Rezko-Biden connection.
Was Biden vetted at all-or does Obama think there are no consequences to his corrupt associations.
Wright, Ayers, Rezko–all shady people Obama used then threw them under the bus.
Does America care about Obama’s judgement and his character?

Posted by: riley | August 26, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

I suspect that, given the intensity of these comments, the repubs are more than a little concerned over the obvious intelligence, vision, and humanness evident in the Democratic Party.

Posted by: davie | August 26, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

“Come on…! Race has nothing to do with it. Everytime something happens to a black person, the race card is pulled. The problems I have with Barrack are his associations with leftist antagonizers.”
Posted by: J Sisk | Aug 26, 2008 11:52:47 AM
You don’t even have enough respect to get the spelling of the nominee’s name right! It’s Barack with one “r!”

Posted by: Misty Fied | August 26, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

No matter which way you spell it… It ain’t happenin’ this time around.

Posted by: J Sisk | August 26, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

“………The fact is that at this point, I simply trust McCain more”
Posted by: Sarah | Aug 26, 2008 11:29:15 AM
Sarah, those words describe what you feel because you are dead wrong in every argument that you are trying to prove yourself.
Obama and Mccain couldn’t figure out schedule for town hall meetings.
McCain is 25 years older and that’s why he has more experience. But he was a member of Congress, lawmaker. He wasn’t a general. He wasn’t a governor. So what is his credentials. Obama’s list of advisers in international affairs includes big names, people who were giving advises to presidents Carter and Clinton.
etc.. I can continue but what’s the point. You are looking for excuses not to vote for Obama and democrats and you found it. Clinton is going to vote for OBama, but her supporters don’t. That’s some twisted logic out here..

Posted by: ghost | August 26, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

We should all take this election seriously and during the campaign buildup, make our positions known on the many issues facing this country. I am a conservative and dead set against tax increases and the expansion of government. My biggest issue is with both parties having expanded the US government to where it is 43% of the annual GNP of the US! Government spending growth is 8X the growth of the economy. The billions of defense spending is only about 5% of the federal budget. Social spending is out of control. Thanks for the soapbox. I encourage you to read information detail of both conservative and liberal sources to understand where your tax dollars go. Here’s one that makes it very clear what is happening. Yes this is another legacy you are leaving your grandchildren….

Posted by: Sun Tzu | August 26, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

“No matter which way you spell it… It ain’t happenin’ this time around.”
Posted by: J Sisk | Aug 26, 2008 12:04:17 PM
I rest my case!

Posted by: Misty Fied | August 26, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

“Wright, Ayers, Rezko–all shady people Obama used then threw them under the bus.
Does America care about Obama’s judgement and his character?”
Posted by: riley
Riley, you are not worried about America. You are worried about something else. You feel comfortable naming all of Obama “debts”, how about naming all of McCain buddies who involved in many economical, religion and lobbing scandals. Let’s see who’s list is bigger!

Posted by: ghost | August 26, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

I think we should all be collecting names of politicians who behaved badly and vote them and their pundits out of office.
The Glamour mag bit on the many royale colors of creepy Hillary’s pant suits further underscores the dysfunction of that whole creepy Clinton camp. She was and is totally unqualified for any job in public service. Put her next to any great woman leader and Hillary is not even close in her ability to inspire or be a figure head. Angela Merkel from Germany comes to mind.
Voting for Hillary because creepy Bill Clinton is also mentally ill never made sense.

Posted by: disambiguates | August 26, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

Obama is a puppet.Plain and Simple. I hope all you Obamanuts ARE WILLING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOU IRRATIONAL AND CRAZED SUPPORT OF YOUR GOD. If you had any brains you would stop touting HIS MINOR COMMUNITY SERVICE WORK AND DO SOME RESEARCH INTO THE FACTS. NOT BELIEVE HOOK LINE AND SINKLER HIS CHOSEN BS NARRATIVE.

Posted by: dan | August 26, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Can we give it a rest already?

Posted by: larry | August 26, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

I see this notion that people are in denial and frankly irrational about the creepy CLintons being called post rational. One has to admit that reason is no longer the issue for most voters.
Hillary was knocked off by an obscure rookie. I think the creepy Clinton camp are unwilling to come to terms with the fact that Hillary was not a good candidate.

Posted by: disambiguates | August 26, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Great comment Jennie! I agree completely!
I certainly don’t want another arrogant and inexperienced president, even if he is from the other side.
No thank you.
If you take the advice… “Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see”, John Mccain will be the obvious choice and John Mccain will be getting my vote.

Posted by: Nikki | August 26, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

It’s all about getting a Democrat in the White House, that’s it, that’s the bottom line here. You democrat can all say what you want as far a as Barack being better than McCain for whatever your reasons, but honestly if it was Clinton or any other dem that won the primary you would be required to spout the same arguuements about McCain being bad for America. The is no reasoning or intelligence in your arguements. Better qualifications be damned, the only qualification you have is whether teh candidate is a democrat.
Admit it, move on and shut up!

Posted by: Tim Hill | August 26, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

I am a Republican who will be voting for change in this election. We need an inexperienced, intelligent, nuanced candidate. We have all seen just where too much experience in Washington gets you. Just look at the last eight years. Do you really want 4 more years of Bush?

Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

I supported Hillary in the primaries, but I realize that now it’s time to turn the page and make sure we get a Democrat back in the White House. I have put aside any feelings of frustration I might have had, and I am now firmly behind Obama. We need to come together as a party. Don’t buy into the messages of hate and fear that McSame is advertising. We are stronger together. There isn’t a shred of real difference between Clinton and Obama on the issues.

Posted by: Heather | August 26, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Clinton realized that if she was the VP candidate, it would have mobilized all of the Republican base to come out and vote against her and Barack. She can do more good as Senator, and she fully supports Obama.

Posted by: Mike | August 26, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

I’ve lived through the old days of sexual discrimination making it hard to get a decent job. I’ve lived through a lot of years struggling for what is fair and watching other women struggle as well, but I never thought I would live to see the day that Democratic women would throw away all we’ve worked for out of pettiness, bitterness or be willing to be used and abused by the Republican Party. I never thought Democratic women would throw away our pro-choice rights by voting for McCain or endorse another 8 yrs of failed policies which have harmed our families. I never thought I’d live to see the day when Democratic women would vote for a man whose mindset would lead us into even more senseless war. I never thought in my wildest nightmares that strong Democratic women would vote for a man whose measures to trim down the VA expenses would exclude benefits for female combat troops suffering from PTSD due to rape.
Who are these women willing to throw all our advances, advances that took years to build, simply because their candidate did not win? Who are they that they cannot hear the snickering and jokes coming from the Republican Party about how they will be used by McCain to win this election? Are these women so wrapped up in their emotions and games they cannot see they are being used or are they simply enjoying all the attention? Is a pity party with cocktails more important than the future of our daughters and grand daughters? Since when do strong women put a politician before country or the universal needs of women and our children? Why are these women so willing to throw away everything we have worked for all these years? I never thought I’d live to see the day where I felt shame for simply being a member of the female gender. God help our children if this is the caliber of women today.

Posted by: MsSwin | August 26, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

She slept through 3:00 a.m. when
the red phone rang. Now the loser
is back to disrupt the convention.

Posted by: anon | August 26, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

Well said, Ms.Swin!
what a sad story of not only cutting your nose off to spite your face, but bashing up the face before cutting the nose off! it is a self-destructive, bitter, suicidal way of going about
(un)making your political dreams – if Obama loses, these Hillary fanatics will be to blame – they will sink and take their children and grandchildren’s legacy with them. So much for their love for their families and their rights as individuals. I could say somethin trite like – Stupid is what stupid does – but hte shape of this country’s future is too serious a matter for me to take risks with fumbling, befuddled, flip-floppy bozos like McCain, who is making merry with his wife’s millions!
These women think a man like McCain, who cannot even respect his own wife is going to respect millions of strangers who voted for him out of spite? You are just being flung around as a limp dishrag, with Repubs having a good laugh at your expense.
Anger and bitterness has no place in a real feminist’s thought and action – if you cannot be strong, take failure in a stride and find what is most advantageous to your efforts and life as a woman, mother and/or partner, you are no feminists at all.

Posted by: Anna | August 26, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Anna, you said it even better. Strong women don’t whine and they never take their eye all the ball.

Posted by: MsSwin | August 26, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

The Republican’s mission is simply trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone:
1 Destroy Obama’s chance of winning this campaign by using Hillary’s negative words to appeal to low information voters;
2. Destroy Hillary Clinton’s political future by using her words against Obama, thus making her appear to be a traitor, an enemy of her own party, which inadvertently uses her own words against her own self interest. Republicans know that more people will be against Hillary for this reason, than for her, making her future bid winning a presidential campaign impossible.
Thus, the Republicans rids themselves of Obama in 2008, and Hillary 2012.

Posted by: think about it | August 26, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

Ghost you are completely wrong about me. I was originally leaning towards Obama, so to say “I am looking for excuses” couldn’t be further from the truth.
I was actually looking for reasons to support him. And to say that he couldn’t do townhall debates because he can’t fit them into his schedule? I’m sorry but that is the lamest argument I could possibly imagine.
Townhall debates would enable a true discussion of the issues and any candidate worth his or her salt would MAKE time for this.

Posted by: Sarah | August 26, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Some in the media are creating psychodrama out of a former opponent in what was an extremely tight race backing another in a presidential election.

Posted by: kat | August 26, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

It is obvious that the way O has Lead his campaign is indicative of the way he will Lead his cabinet as President. A great president is a great Leader.
I wish Hill had demonstrated great leadership in her own campaign because if she did, she would really be sitting at the Helm right now. But if her sincerity affords her another opportunity, she will succeed. After all, when Thomas Edison and Louis Lattimer invented the light bulb, it took 10,000 tries to get it right.
“If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.” – John Quincy Adams
“The greatness of a leader is measured by the achievements of the led. This is the ultimate test of his
effectiveness.” – Gen. Omar Bradley
“A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves.” – Lao Tzu
“Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.” -Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: Leaders | August 26, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Ah, such short memories. McCain was one of the orginal “Keating Five.” He was admonished by the Senate for “poor judgment.” He received $112,000 from Keating and his fellow criminals who brought about the savings and loan collapse. He also cheated on his first wife while she was recovering from an accident. His current wife was involved in drugs. But of course he was a POW which apparently explains and forgives all. This guy is a slime ball of the worst kind.

Posted by: Hoo-Ahh! | August 26, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

Three democrats were guilty of misconduct in the Keating 5 matter.
The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[17][16] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising “poor judgment” when he met with the federal regulators on Keating’s behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him….Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.”[20]

Posted by: peach | August 26, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

True, Peach. But the citation for “poor judgment” is no small thing, given that the Senate tends to take care of its own. And the fact that he took $112,000 from the criminal Keating, even if legal, is highly questionable.

Posted by: Hoo-Ahh! | August 26, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

This good woman has campaigned for him while he was bodysurfing! Would he be doing jack for her if the tables were turned. HILLARY HAS CAMPAIGNED MORE FOR BO THAN ANY OTHER DEM OPPONENT IN HISTORY. WHEN HE LOSES IT WILL BE HIS FAULT!
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN

Posted by: Debra | August 26, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

Debra,
you are letting yourself be used and abused by the GOP. WAKE UP! Try to see this thing logically. If you want Hillary to have a political future, you need to vote Obama.

Posted by: Hoo-Ahh! | August 26, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

Throwing Hillary under the bus and voting for McCain is a strange way to be a “supporter” of Hillary.

Posted by: Hoo-Ahh! | August 26, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

To all of the Hillaryites who are continuing in their all-too-transparent efforts to destroy Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party because their candidate lost the nomination:
When the Supreme Court goes 6-3 or 7-2 conservative, and Roe gets overturned (along with the possible reversal of cases like Miranda), are you guys going to hold rallies for McCain and his bestest friend Hillary, thanking them for their achievements? When we wind up at war in Iran, are you going to be marching for joy in the streets, patting yourselves on the back for having pulled off the McCain victory? Are you going to be eagerly signing up your kids to go to war against Russia in Georgia?
None of you are in this for principles, other than the principle that your pick should have won. The platform on which McCain is running is antithetical to everything that Hillary says she believes. If her beliefs are important to you, you’re doing a great job of working to undermine those beliefs. McCain is against choice, against equal pay, in favor of perpetual occupation of Iraq. That’s what you’re supporting now.
Also, for all of your protestations against being accused of racism, the racist subtext of your anti-Obama comments isn’t even subtext anymore…it’s just TEXT, with no concealment.
So, thanks in advance, folks, for doing your damndest to extend the era of Republican misrule.
Way to go, Team PUMA!

Posted by: One Drop | August 26, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

I am trying to understand why so many people are falling for Obama. First of all the guy thinks he is qualified to run the country, when hasn’t even finished his first term as a senator. In the few years he has been in office, he has voted “Present” rather than yes or no over a hundred times. He claims to have the best interest in the country in mind, and yet he is friends with a known terrorist who bombed the capitol building (and freely admits it). He also spent twenty years in a church, listing to a racist preacher perverting religion for his own goals (good thing I am a Buddhist… don’t want to open that can of worms) yet even though he says the man was a big influence on his life, Obama claims to not have noticed the last twenty years of hate speech (and lets face it, it is HATE SPEECH… If it had been a white man saying the same about people of color, there would have been riots… so why is it that a black man can get away with it? I was taught that two wrongs don’t make a right). Either he is a liar, or he is truly oblivious to what goes on around him. Either way, he has no business being President of the his local Elks lodge, let alone the United States of America. So I ask you Obama followers, logically.. if you took the same information and applied it to another person, would you honestly say that that person was qualified to run this country? I think that you would find the sane answer would be no.

Posted by: john | August 27, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am

One Drop, If Abortion is your big issue than it should not prevent you from voting for McCain. It is highly unlikely Roe Wade will be overturned even if conservatives are appointed to the Supreme Court. Even in the unlikely event Roe Wade is overturned it will just go back to the States for the people to decide, which is what Democrats are supposed to be all about by the way, and the only State that may place any serious restrictions on abortion is Utah. So if you do not live in Utah, no worry.

Posted by: jane | August 27, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

I just do not understand why Obama is trying to suppress the ad connecting him to Ayers. If it is untrue, that just point out the facts and get over it instead of using brown shirt tactics by trying to take criminal action against American Issues Project who produced the ad. Obama attorneys to the Dept Of Justice: “We reiterate our request that the Department of Justice fulfill its commitment to take prompt action to investigate and to prosecute the American issues Project, and we further request that the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute Howard (sic) Simmons for a knowing and willful violation of the individual aggregate contribution limits,”
All the Obama supporters seem to think Bush is some type of Hitler but if that were so, maybe Dan Rather should have gone to jail for his hit piece on Bush too, eh Obama ? I don’t think Bush even suggested it, in order to maintain the civility he tried to bring to DC, that the democrats have consistently ignored No, the dems are not civil, do not play fair and suppress free speech. 3 strikes, you’re out boys.
By the way why is ABC and the rest of the main stream media not reporting on this? It is all over the Drudge Report.

Posted by: Sam | August 27, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am

Mrs. Clinton gave a brilliant speech… about Mrs. Clinton. Notice she did not utter one single word in support of the character of Barack Obama. Sure, she declared that democrats must support him and did so by name, I counted ten times. But, she could have been declaring so for anybody. Nothing in her endorsement distinguished him as particularly worthy, in her estimation, of that endorsement. And yet, she called John McCain, “my friend.”
The Clintons have one interest and one interest only in this race, and that is The Clintons. Hillary gave the speech of her life, but that was not for the purpose of getting Barack Obama elected president, but rather to burnish her own image and reputation.
Barack Obama’s very faulty decision to give the Clintons the spotlight at “his” convention will very soon prove to be the biggest mistake of his life.
Count the minutes, tomorrow night, that former president Clinton invests in speaking of his wife. I guarantee you that more of his speech tomorrow will be about her than Senator Obama. And, also, in a way that was clearly calculated tonight by Senator Clinton, tomorrow night President Clinton will barely say a word about the unique character of the presumptive democratic nominee for president, Senator Barack Obama, but all of his descriptions of his wife will be designed to paint a picture of her unique worthiness for the presidency… in some time in the future.
The unyielding malignant narcissism of the Clintons is an exhausting spectacle to behold.

Posted by: Thank God for Karma | August 27, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

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