By Greg Wallace

Aug 7, 2008 5:16pm

Deconstructing Hillary

Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign appears reluctant to have any sort of roll call vote at the Democratic convention this month. Why? They have no interest in highlighting the narrowness of his victory.

This would mean the first Democratic convention without a roll call vote since President Lyndon Johnson ran unopposed for reelection in 1964.

And Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, as ABC News’ David Chalian and Rick Klein point out,  is hedging on what she wants.

At a recent fundraiser in California captured on a videophone and posted on YouTube, Clinton noted that "if you look at recent history I have moved more quickly and done more on behalf of my opponent than comparable candidates have."

(Kind of interesting there that Sen. Clinton still refers to Sen. Obama as "my opponent." Last I checked, she withdrew from the race and said she was endorsing him two months ago.)

"You know, most of us didn’t endorse until the convention," Clinton continued, "you know, Teddy Kennedy or Gary Hart or Jerry Brown you know just a lot of people held out until the convention, kept their delegates, often waged platform rules or credential fights, and you know I’ve made it very clear that I am supporting Sen. Obama, we’re working cooperatively on a lot of different matters. But I think delegates can decide to do this on their own. They don’t need permission, they can decide under the rules of the DNC. So, I think it would be better if we had a plan that actually we put in place and everybody knew what it was, then we executed it because I think that would go more smoothly. So I hope that’s what we come  up with–some kind of a strategy."

A supporter asked Clinton "to please consider having your name put on the ballot….out of no disrespect to the future President Obama…Those of us who have lived through those campaigns and  know that’s what Democratic conventions and even Republican conventions were about. I don’t think a lot of the younger voters know that that’s not out of disrespect and that it is in fact a showing of unity."

Clinton said it’s an "obvious" question: "what will happen at the convention in respect to my putting my name into nomination, a roll call vote and the usual kind of process that occurs at conventions. We’re trying to work that out with the Obama campaign and with the DNC. “I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified."

Staying true to the California surroundings, Clinton said, "I know from, just what I’m hearing, that there’s incredible pent-up desire. And I think that people want to feel like, ‘OK, it’s a catharsis, we’re here, we did it, and then everybody get behind Sen. Obama.’ That is what most people believe is the best way to go. No decisions have been made. And so we are trying to work all this through with the DNC and with the Obama campaign."

A supporter asked her what would happen if there were a roll call vote and Clinton won.

"That is not going to happen," Clinton said, "not going to happen.  I mean, what we want to have happen is for Sen. Obama to be nominated by a unified convention of Democrats. And as I have said, the best way I think — and I could be wrong — but the best way I think to do that is to have a strategy so that my delegates feel like they have a role, and that their legitimacy has been validated. It’s as old as, you know, as Greek drama. You know, there is a catharsis. I mean, everybody comes and, you know, they want to yell and scream and have their opportunity, and I think that’s all to the good. Because then, you know, everybody can go, ‘OK, great, now let’s go out and win. And that’s what we want people to feel. We do not want any Democrat either in the hall or in the stadium or at home walking away saying, ‘Well, you know, I’m just not satisfied, I’m not happy.’ Because, I mean, that’s what I’m trying to avoid."

Kumbaya, my Lord. Kumbaya. Oh, Lord, Kumbaya.

-jpt

User Comments

I can’t believe there is a question about this! Why keep her off the roll call? This is a process and it needs to play out. It’s obvious that Obama is scared, but come on, we are supposed to be democrats. I think his days of pushing people out to run unopposed need to end.

Posted by: Jackson | August 7, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

I’m certain that Hillary is not one bit pleased with Obama now wanting to count all the MI and FL votes at the convention when he opposed it when it would have helped her to win the nomination. All things considered she is being quite generous to Obama, who has pretended not to be the divisive, machiavellian candidate that he truly is.

Posted by: Susan | August 7, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

As an Obama supporter, I understand her point and want a unified party coming out of Denver. As for “yelling, screaming and having their opportunity”, however, a lot of her supporters have been doing that since the primaries ended.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | August 7, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

Hillary got more votes than Obama.
Hillary got more votes than McCain.
Yet, Obama is trying to avoid having these voters heard at the convention. So the ONE candidate who got more votes than any other candidate, Dem or GOP, and these voters don’t get their voice heard?
I just heard Democracy cry out in wail and despair.
The DNC should be ashamed for their acts of dividing the party. You take away our trust, and you will have a tough time earning it back.
That is why this Dem, amoung many millions, will vote for McCain. You will not silence my vote; I own my vote.

Posted by: decentAmerican | August 7, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

IF THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HALF A BRAIN LEFT, THEY WILL MAKE SURE HER NAME IS PUT INTO MONINATION. OBAMA CANNOT WIN IN NOVEMBER, AND THEY KNOW IT. IF THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE WHITE HOUSE, THEY WILL WISE UP. IF NOT, AND THEY ARE HAPPY WITH POWERHOG PELOSI, THEN MCCAIN WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.

Posted by: Foodforthought | August 7, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

When she loses it they will only scream again. They will use some excuse, like because she is a woman, because Obama cheated, because the DNC cheated.
Crazy! This will never end. When we lose to McCain I will be holding the Clintons responsible.

Posted by: beck | August 7, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

If I thought there was any possibility that Hillary could end up overturning Obama at the convention, I’d go. Problem is that even if all the supers did want to change to support her (and there were some who never committed to either), they won’t because of all the social problems that would stir up, even though she truly is the better, more qualified candidate and has been from the start.

Posted by: susan | August 7, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

My gosh his holiness can not ask the American people what they want. Just another indication what life will be like with BHO as president.

Posted by: William | August 7, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

Hillary may have received more votes, but Obama will not lose this because he will be behind in vote.
Do you not understand that the Independent/Socialist/Repubs. still need to cast their votes. As far as I can tell most are for Obama.
Stop spinning the lame more vote issue now, it does not hold for the general election.

Posted by: beck | August 7, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

Senator Clinton really seems to want to drag out her pain as long as possible. She should be leading her supporters and say come with me and help elect Barack Obama as President of the USA. But it seems SHE is intent on causing trouble, of stirring the pot. I think its quite embarassing really.
To be fair, I am fine with a roll call, but I think the visual may not be great. Would Clinton delegates be respectful through the process? Judgiong by the whole PUMA thing and by some of the comments I have seen from her supporters, I am not sure they would be. Its a relatively close election at this point, and the Democratic Party cannot afford to look disunified. I think its a hard thing to figure out, but a Clinton speech on Tuesday, that is unequivocal in its support of Obama, and then a respectful [on both sides] roll call, might be the best thing.

Posted by: markymark | August 7, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

It’s obvious that Obama is scared, but come on, we are supposed to be democrats. I think his days of pushing people out to run unopposed need to end.
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Brilliant insight!

Posted by: Mike | August 7, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

“This would mean the first Democratic convention without a roll call vote since President Lyndon Johnson ran unopposed for reelection in 1964.” The Democratic Party would be back in the smokey room. Is this how the DNC promotes party unity? Is this Obama’s politics of change? Essentially invalidating the votes of millions of people who voted for other candidates in the primaries. This is no longer the party of the average American.

Posted by: bct424 | August 7, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

LOL…Beck. When will Obama and his supporters take responsibility for his actions? Why would it be Hillary’s fault that he lost? Has it ever occurred to you that Obama WILL lose because he is the worst Democratic candidate in recent history? For that simple reason?

Posted by: decentAmerican | August 7, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Obama has done nothing to try to unite the Democratic party so why would anyone believe that he will unite the country? Just one of the many things Obama has flipped positions on.

Posted by: Alex | August 7, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

“Problem is that even if all the supers did want to change to support her (and there were some who never committed to either), they won’t because of all the social problems that would stir up, even though she truly is the better, more qualified candidate and has been from the start.”
So you’re telling me he is such a weak candidate that the DNC has to fear a better candidate and must go with the loser because doing otherwise would make them look bad????
Is this the ‘We go down with the Titanic because we’re the right kind of people’ defense? When is losing on purpose a virtuous act?

Posted by: len | August 7, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Does anyone else find this entire Obama election (selection) really corrupt?

Posted by: BenB | August 7, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

“Obama has done nothing to try to unite the Democratic party so why would anyone believe that he will unite the country?”
Who cares about the party or the country, he is going to unite the world!

Posted by: Mack | August 7, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

Len: I wish that weren’t the case, but I’m afraid it can’t be stopped. As Obama said it is a “movement” — one that he has manipulated from the start.

Posted by: susan | August 7, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

descentamerican, you are too descent to say things which are incorrect. Hill has not won more votes than Obama or more delegates than Obama. Very clearly for anybody who was following the elections the conclusion is clear that Obama has won the primaries in February 2008.

Posted by: BKMC | August 7, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

“When is losing on purpose a virtuous act?”
When the loser brings in a ton of cash.

Posted by: Mack | August 7, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Obama has gotten a free ride throughout the campaign. Why have people not pointed out how ridiculous and corrupt every aspect of his campaign has been. That’s Chicago politics for you.

Posted by: BrainWest | August 7, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

She will lose again.

Posted by: Jayboz | August 7, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Can anyone EVER remember when a roll call vote was not done?????
I can’t. I remember how Ted Kennedy wanted to take it to the convention when he was down by over 700 pledged delegates against Carter.
ALL VOICES DESERVE TO BE HEARD. This should be a no brainer. She won and the nomination was stolen from her. Of course she deserves a roll call vote. She won the popular vote.

Posted by: Kristy | August 7, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

decentAmerican,
If Hillary got more votes that Obama she should be the Democratic Party Nominee. She is not. So stop dreaming with this myth that she got more votes, as if Caucauses don’t count.
We are in a Democratic System that is governed by pre-agreed rules unfortunately for some of us and Caucauses do count.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION I AM A CLINTON ACTIVIST.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 7, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

I never though I would be saying this but McCain is right on with the “Celebrity” ad. How could someone who was in the senate for 1 year, voted “present” on over 100 votes, got reprimanded for not showing up for votes and changed positions repeatedly in the short time he has been in the spotlight, be this close to running this nation?

Posted by: JOsie | August 7, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

Obama is afraid of a roll-call vote because Hillary Clinton might win.

Posted by: Keith | August 7, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Two losses will be more painful and shameful than one respectable loss. It goes to show that some people don’t have shame. HRC and are supporters are typical examples.

Posted by: Jayboz | August 7, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

Kristy wrote:
She won and the nomination was stolen from her.
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You people seriously need help. Maybe if Hillary didn’t have to pay Mark Penn $18 million to decide that California was a winner-take-all primary, then maybe she would have won. But she hired the wrong people for too much money.

Posted by: jmc663 | August 7, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

President Barack has spoken. Hillary will work with him to deliver results in his administration.

Posted by: Jayboz | August 7, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

This Democrat will not be voting for Obama in November. He is the most inexperienced, divisive candidate of all that I have ever seen. Hey Obama what happened to being the great unifier, why not show Clinton and her supporters some respect?

Posted by: Bob | August 7, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

I’m for Obama. If they did a roll call in 1980 with Kennedy then they can do it now. (Of course, Carter lost in 1980.) As long as the goal is to show the Democrats can come together in true support of Obama then why not.
If Hillary is the loyal opposition, then do it right.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 7, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

I think Obama should let Hillary run and lose. The creepy Clintons will not give up until they bring disaster on all of us. Obama would be smart to step aside as they are going to unravel his candidacy anyway.
The loathing that the American people feel for the creepy Clintons and their current batch of oddities is beyond measure.

Posted by: disambiguates | August 7, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Two losses will be more painful and shameful than one loss. If HRC makes the mistake of putting her name on the ballot in Denver, then she will lose again. Barack will obviously hand her a second defeat. So be careful.
Inflammatory statements and boastful acclamations (e.g. having 18million votes etc) by HRC supporters will make retiring her debt impossible. Do not expect any assistance from BHO and we the supporters.

Posted by: Jayboz | August 7, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Let the delegates speak. Is Obama afraid of what they will say? With all the money, celbrities, glitz and “speeches” Obama is in a dead heat with McCain. Why?

Posted by: BoneheadedObama | August 7, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

The creepy Clintons and their even creepier octogenarian camp followers do not realize how dispised that have become. America is sick of this “cute” act they play with everything from parsing what is a good candidate to how one counts delegates. My hope is that we get more of Lanny Davis and the rest of those sycophants going on about the Clintons. That will push the rest of us over the cliff.

Posted by: disambiguates | August 7, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Everyone should have the right to process.
The Democratic Convention is where Candidates are voted on then named.
There should be no excuse of refusing due process. Unless you fear something, but then that does even make it right.
Unity will only come with process. Unless Obama Takes over the party and changes it’s name.

Posted by: seah | August 7, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Obama is in a dead heat with McCain. Why?
Posted by: BoneheadedObama | Aug 7, 2008 6:15:13 PM
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Simple. Hillary has not put to rest the theroy that “something” may happen at the Convention. There are alot of people holding out, just in case Hillary tries “something”

Posted by: jmc663 | August 7, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

Blaming Hillary for McCain and Obama being in a dead heat?
I love that. It’s funny.

Posted by: Jared | August 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Obama will never agree to having Hillary’s name put in nomination. He prefers to have everyone think he won the primary by a big majority, which obviously wasn’t true. Without Oprah’s name and money, the Kennedy’s private and then public backing, and big donors (which he doesn’t want to admit to) he never would have won Iowa. People also tend to forget he only one 30 some percent of that caucus anyway, between Edwards and Clinton, nearly 60% of the voters voted against him. His arrogance continues to totally irritate me and a many more of his “constituents” here in Illinois.

Posted by: dwc | August 7, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

I am very saddened by the negatve comments regarding Barack Obama. The election was very fair. The election is over. Some may have been very sad, but Barack Obama did win. I understand the emotions all of you may have had. This push to nominate Hilary Clinton will create major problems for the Democratic Party.
He gave alot at DNC committee meeting even though he actually had the vote. He proposed improved delegates for Hilary from these states. This was not on TV, but actually when committee was out of camera for a few hours.
The delegates were there. Only when you count votes including Michigan and Florida does Hilary Clinton receive more votes. Unfortunately rules state it is delegates that win. Much could be argued from Barack Obama side as well. Obama was not even on ballot in Michigan. He had 0 votes. He did no campaigning in Florida. Consensus is the well known name wins. Even if Hilary had won all those votes. She still would not have won. I just hope everyone will ty to be fair when assessing Michigan and Florida. The states were declared unsanctioned primaries.
Please do try to join the Obama team. We would love to have you. We really would like the support for a Democratic win this November.

Posted by: Sharonklim | August 7, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

Before an Obama supporter points it out, yes, I know, I misspelled “won.”

Posted by: dwc | August 7, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

But McCain and Obama are not in a dead heat. Obama showed a 6 point lead with a CBS poll today. He seems to be maintaining a consistent, modest lead.

Posted by: kat | August 7, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Beck, when we loose in November, hold yourself responsible for voting to nominate and empty suit, that cannot even beat John McCain, how about you all start taking responsibility for your actions, as democrats or americans in general we should have been voting to nominate the invidual that we know would be most effective and that would be able to beat the opposition, but you all decided to vote on hope and change, now take responsibility for that vote and stop voting the Clintons they are two people with two votes. You all are quick to blame Clinton and her supporters but you take no responsibility for voting for someone that you did not properly vet and research, now he is slipping in the polls like we knew he would and you want someone to blame. Look in the Mirror and stop the foolishness.

Posted by: Kim | August 7, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

“President Barack has spoken. Hillary will work with him to deliver results in his administration.”
You are terrified of Hillary. I don’t think you are ready to lead a nation in a time of war. Or peace for that matter.
She is right. The best way to unify is to run the standard process and let the delegates vote. If you are afraid he will lose that vote, then you are afraid of the weakness of Barack Obama.
I don’t like Obama but I have to point out that withholding the roll call opens your throat to McCain. You just gave him another week of press cycles and funny commercials after the convention when it will do Barack the most damage.

Posted by: len | August 7, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

Just let us march around Denver yelling and screaming and vetting our frustration over this election. Mind you its got nothing to do with Obama. We would never imply he’s an imposter.We would never imply that we were cheated out of the nomination.After we all feel better we’ll all hold hands and sing songs.Wait….one more thing…about the Inaguation…..kidding

Posted by: linda n carolina | August 7, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

I believe Hillary’s name should be on the ballot at the convention. This is the way it has been done traditionally; the burden is on those who do not want her name on the ballot to give a good reason why.
The primary was anything but fair. The caucuses were anti-democratic, the RBC decision was a decision by an unelected group, 4 delegates were inexplicably taken from Hillary and given to Obama, there were instances in which votes in some districts counted more than those in others, the stripping of delegates from Florida and Michigan was shameful, etc. etc. The anti-democratic nature of the primary has meant that, all along, there have been very serious doubts about the legitimacy of Obama’s ‘nomination.’
It has been two months since Hillary suspended her campaign and I still have not forgotten. There are former Democrats similar to me who STILL have not forgotten. We will see how they feel come November.

Posted by: Clinton supporter | August 7, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Calls for her not to be on the ballot are just more blatent mysogyny from the DNC.

Posted by: s.b. | August 7, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

the funny thing is…this hurtas Hillary in her Senate seat and all you “Hillary supporters” that are spewing these comments on here…
aren’t really supporting Hillary.
She needs this to be less of an issue than Barack does…as it is she has hurt her chances badly for reelection in the Senate and to get people to help her with her debt…
it was just starting to heal and if she makes a scene now…she definitely will lose her Senate seat …
sad that a handful of dumb self whacked supporters on either side could hurt their own candidate this badly.
and if you don’t think what you are doing is hurting Hillary worse than anyone…(especially the people who need John mcCain to not be elected for their lives, jobs, education and healthcare) but sometimes some people are too emotional to be involved in politics…
atleast that is what people will say…
a nice lasting legacy. That “some people” will now be stereotyped and have that stereotype reinforced frrom the selfish actions of a few.
sad that any group could be that ignorant to the well being of others.

Posted by: dl | August 7, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Hillary first, McCain second, Obama NEVER.
I am already sick of seeing Obama’s face all over the television. With all of his OVERexposure,I feel like he has been president for 4 years already, and I want a CHANGE. He has never captured my imagination with his cultish persona. He is all fluff in my book, and that’s why this Democrat will regrettably be voting Republican in the general election for the first time in my life. This was supposed to be the year of the Democrats, but now that will have to wait until 2012.

Posted by: JM | August 7, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

The Clintons have kept their names in the news over the last few weeks. This is most likely a lead up to a news article that will do in Obama. I suspect that one of the creepy Clinton surrogates will post that news through some delightful channel like the Enquirer. I am betting on some event to unseat Obama will occur around the 18th.

Posted by: disambiguates | August 7, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

I don’t care what anyone thinks about Clinton or Obama. The fact remains that NEITHER on has the pledged delegates to secure the nomination. Democratic Convention rules allow for a name to be placed into nomination with the presentation of a petition of a minimum of 300 delegate signatures. It has been done this way, BY THE RULES, for 100 years.
The very fact the Obama and his supporters thinks it is just fine and ok to control the convention to favor Obama, is facisim at it’s best. Arrogance incarnate at it’s worst.
What don’t you people understand about the “democratic” in DEMOCRATIC Party? The whole country is watching THIS time. Not so easy to game the system so your guy comes out ahead. LOL

Posted by: seattlegal | August 7, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

She need to take Bill and go back to Arkansas,misery loves company.

Posted by: Dowm Mexico Way | August 7, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

obama CHOSE NOT to be on the slate in Michigan and, as for Florida, he was the ONLY candidate who actually DID campaign !
Yet Obama was GIVEN some of delegates which should have gone to Hillary from Michigan
And Obama was totally against the representatives of these states being seated…..
Of course, after he assumed the title of presumptuous nominee, he realized he couldn’t win if all the delegates weren’t seated so, this last week or so, this is what he’s been pushing for.
NOW THAT HE HAS BEEN FORCE-FED AND SELECTED BY THE BROKEN DNC… IN CAHOOTS WITH A NEW KIND OF POWER HUNGRY MEDIA….. OBAMA FEELS IT IS SAFE FOR THE DELEGATES TO BE SEATED!
Is this the kind of change Obama is alluding to>
Because if it is, I want no part of it.
Read quickly; this should disappear with the next fell breeze………arghhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: fearless flanagan | August 7, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Hey, forget deconstructing Hillary – she’s pretty easy to understand.
How about deconstructing Obama – now there’s the real unknown.
The democratic party I’ve been a member of for the last 40 yrs. was not one which demised the concept that we each have an individual right, indeed obligation, to make ourselves heard. Now that the party is becoming a mob of Chicago party bosses, closed to individuals, it’s time to move on.

Posted by: Keith | August 7, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Hillary would have won the presidency by a landslide. Obama lied to the far left to hijack their vote then flip flopped as soon as he became the nominee. Noone believes him anymore, they are just going through the motions and regretting it every second.
If the primary were held again Obama would lose by a landslide. Hillary just needs to go through the motions and turn down the VP spot. She can win in 2012.

Posted by: Hillary2012 | August 7, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

You all with your blather are costing Hillary her senate seat…do some research to see how you are continueing to make her numbers go down.
Nice “supporters”
at this rate she’ll be lucky if they let her live in New Tork state…
oy
you people are idiots and reallllllyy selfish.

Posted by: dl | August 7, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Time to hoist the Jolly Roger.

Posted by: Mack | August 7, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

I did not choose “the chosen one”

Posted by: Susan Powers | August 7, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

Look Clinton supporters are only helping McCain. The nomination process is 50 states with various rules and procedures. It’s not pretty, but it’s as fair as can be expected. Don’t blame Obama for that. He didn’t cheat. In fact, I think he understood the realities better than Clinton. For example, he understood the rules in Texas better. He lost the State, but won more delegates based on shrewder use of resources in districts that counted more. If Hillary’s supporters are so fired up, why don’t they use the convention to present a cohesive, better nomination process for the next go-round instead of distracting everyone with this lame argument to be heard. I want to be heard to! Yelling at the top of my lungs when Obama wins.

Posted by: PatriotMan | August 7, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

“Nice “supporters”
at this rate she’ll be lucky if they let her live in New Tork state…
“oy
you people are idiots and reallllllyy selfish.
Posted by: dl | Aug 7, 2008 7:39:24 PM
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COME ON, DL.
You’re one of the staunchest B O supporters he has!
No need to carry the onus of worrying about Hillary. She will be F I N E!

Posted by: fearless flanagan | August 7, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

I hope Hillary is nominated at the convention and wins BIG. Obama has failed to carry through on his promises to her, just as he is lying to the American people. I just hope and pray that he is found out before it’s too late. I am a Democrat who will NEVER vote for the fraud Obama!

Posted by: Debbie | August 7, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

Posted by: Jayboz | Aug 7, 2008 6:09:48 PM
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Help in paying off her debt? Give us a break. Hillary’s supporters have been MUCH more generous in donations to Obama than the other way around. Every day Barack and his supporters show the rest of us that they are only out for themselves. I dislike these Democrats as much as I dislike George Bush. There will be no unity coming from this end.

Posted by: JM | August 7, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

Hillary’s run was more historic than Obama’s we have seen many men win primary’s one after the other. Hillary was the first woman to win more than one state and her 18 million votes is a big deal if people continue to treat it like it means nothing and if MSM keeps lying then we can assume our elections are fixed and this country is in big trouble. remember the 55 delagates just given to Obama

Posted by: Bishop | August 7, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

He lost the State, but won more delegates based on shrewder use of resources in districts that counted more. If Hillary’s supporters are so fired up, why don’t they use the convention to present a cohesive, better nomination process for the next go-round instead of distracting everyone with this lame argument to be heard. I want to be heard to! Yelling at the top of my lungs when Obama wins.
Posted by: PatriotMan | Aug 7, 2008 7:44:01 PM
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Obama won more delegates in Texax by CHEATING in the caucuses! I don’t care how many times people say otherwise. It was witnessed, and reported.
Hillary supporters, who have not and will not support Obama are already on their way to advancing change in the process. If change does not come after this, I will happily give up my membership in the Democratic party.

Posted by: JM | August 7, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

Hillary s/b dumped with her supporters. The Clinton machine is out to mess up everyone except themselves.
More votes than Obama? No wonder she lost. It’s the delegate count ladies.
If you don’t like it, why don’t you change it. Otherwise, you all are just ranting for nothing.
Just think if Hillary won, Bill would already reclaim his space.

Posted by: jethro mayham | August 7, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

Obama is such a wimp – I bet he won’t be enjoying his luxurious vacation in Hawaii now! You go, Hillary, don’t let your supporters down! I hope she takes back the nomination – Obama has not won the nomination (he is just the presumptuous nominee)! And dl, don’t worry about NY – she is their Senator, yesterday, today and tomorrow! I should remind you that SHE won NY – not your guy!
But the odds are that he will still steal the nomination – he owns Reed, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry – all the Elites, plus the DNC, so it is in the bag for him! So I hope McCain beats him – he certainly can’t be worse than Obama.

Posted by: Beckie | August 7, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Senator Obama is not a middle of the road democrat but a far, far left socialist. Fools selected him as the nominee.

Posted by: Martin | August 7, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

Susan Powers,
“I did not choose the chosen one”
Well, I did! I’m so glad the DNC heard me and the millions more just like me!
Obama 08!

Posted by: Common Sense | August 7, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

Being a woman, I have to say I’m pretty embarrassed by these comments. So you are going to choose McCain, a man who allies himself with an oil tycoon who said “if a woman’s being raped, she might as well try to enjoy it”, a man who wants to make abortion illegal, a man who really doesn’t care about what women want (he even voted against equal pay), just to spite Obama?
Does that make sense to anyone? cuz it’s not making sense to me. If that is the real RATIONAL reasoning that comes to you all, then I must say that I can no longer fight against American sexism, we women are just idiots.
Hillary is selfish, even if she was held down and made to lose (which she wasn’t), she should be the bigger person and walk away with head held high. Now she’s asking for controversy. Pathetic….

Posted by: Ash | August 7, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

Is there a communist link?
Cliff Kincaid, of Accuracy in Media, in his article entitled “AP Lies About Obama’s Red Mentor,” posted Aug 4, 2008, blasts a recent AP story on Frank Marshall Davis being a mentor and “an imporant influence” on Sen. Obama from 1975 to 1979 because the story omitted the fact that Frank Marshall Davis was a member of the Communist Party USA.
Mr. Kincaid writes:
“Davis was not a ‘journalist’ in any real sense of the term. He was a propagandist and racial agitator for the CPUSA. He was also a recruiter for the communist cause.”
Mr. Kincaid also writes:
“Davis was a hard-core but secret CPUSA member with a history of involvement in CPUSA fronts who was so much of a Stalinist that he opposed U.S. participation in World War II during the Hitler-Stalin Pact, but then supported U.S. involvement after Nazi Germany invaded Soviet Russia.”
And Mr. Kincaid writes:
“Not surprisingly, AP leaves many major questions unanswered. The wire service notes that Frank Marshall Davis is referred to in Obama’s book Dreams From My Father ‘only as Frank.’
“But why? What does Obama have to say about this curious omission? Could it have something to do with the fact that, by the time Obama wrote his book, he knew that Davis was a Communist? And that he deliberately covered this up? Or did he know it earlier?”
Finally, Mr. Kincaid asks:
“Did Davis recruit Obama?”
“Was Obama…ever a secret CPUSA member?”
Now this is a story that the mainstream media should be looking into…but it probably won’t.

Posted by: James Danley | August 7, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

Cultists are usually irrationally devoted to a set of myths that they’ve accepted and perpetuate as facts. They resist any suggestion that their “facts” may not be “facts” and, when challenged, often resort to name calling, innuendo, personal attacks, or questioning their challenger’s motivation.
It’s ironic that Senator Obama’s supporters are accused of being cultists. What we seem to have is a Clinton Cult so intent on perpetuating its mythology and poking sticks in its “wounds” that it threatens to support someone who is the total antithesis of everything that Senator Clinton is and believes in.
1) If you’re going to blame the DNC for some sort of conspiracy, you need to remember that it has been the Clinton’s DNC for the past sixteen years. It was the Clinton’s DNC that penalized Michigan and Florida. Senator Clinton had a majority on the Rules and By-Laws Committee which settled the mess that they’d made by shutting out Michigan and Florida to begin with.
2) The Democratic Party does not allow a candidate to determine what counts and doesn’t count. Senator Clinton did not win the “popular vote.” Even if she had, it wouldn’t have mattered. The nomination is determined by the delegate count.
3) I have repeatedly seen suggestions that Senator Obama ran a “sexist” campaign. I have yet to hear a single example of Senator Obama’s alleged “sexism” toward Senator Clinton.
4) Senator Clinton ran a bad campaign and lost. She played the George W. Bush inevitability game and assumed that the DNC script that had been set up for her would give her the nomination on Super Tuesday. It didn’t happen. She didn’t have a Plan B until she developed the “kitchen sink” strategy in Ohio and Texas. That did nothing but generate ill will on both sides…a lot of which still lingers in Senator Obama’s supporters.
Please come up for some air…consider what’s at stake this time. Haven’t the last eight years demonstrated the dangers of irrationality and myths rather than dealing with reality and practical consequences?
John McCain will not further any of the ambitious policy goals that Senator Clinton articulated during her campaign. Senator Obama will.
If you are, in fact, offended by sexism, I don’t know how can consider supporting someone who calls his wife the “c” word and parades her in front of a bunch of bikers while talking about entering her in a topless beauty contest. The mind faileth.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | August 7, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm

kat,
“But McCain and Obama are not in a dead heat. Obama showed a 6 point lead with a CBS poll today. He seems to be maintaining a consistent, modest lead.”
Funny thing is, the only polls that show a tie or Obama with less than three point lead are bogus. The media thinks the American public is so stupid that we would believe that when they poll outside Rush Limbaffoon’s and Sean Handyman’s studios that we’ll believe those stats they produce.
I think they are playing themselves. We dems are laughing all the way through the summer on their polling jokes.
Obama 08!

Posted by: Common Sense | August 7, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

A Roll Call vote could backfire on Senator Clinton. Most of her ardent political supporters jumped ship to Senator Obama. Her roll call votes can fall short, thus embarrassing herself and her supporters.

Posted by: James | August 7, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

“Common Sense” — if you think the Gallup and Rasmussen polls are “bogus,” you are dreaming on another planet.

Posted by: Mandelay3 | August 7, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

I wouldn’t put too much stock into the Rasmussen Poll. That poll tends to trend republican. Many of its writers on rasmussen are conservative.

Posted by: James | August 7, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

James you really are a lib
when something does not agree with you it is a Republican Conspiracy
FYI Ramussen is actually one of the most accurate they were closest in past elections and had the right winnier each time.
Obama is trying to suppress the vote like any good Marxist!!

Posted by: spock | August 7, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

The voice of the voters -who Voted for Clinton should be heard.

Posted by: geevill | August 7, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

WHY is obama and the DNC questioning this???? – Every other candidate has been on roll call at the Dem convention. Just because Hillary Clinton WON the popular vote and has 18 Million supporters – they are scared -
well they should be! Obama is NOT qualified to lead our country – I will NOT vote for him – and Millions of Americans feel the same way. The DNC picked the Arrogant, Radical FRAUD who will never be elected.

Posted by: Molly | August 7, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Why? Why should those voters be heard? What’s so special about them? If Hillary really wanted to be a hero, she would REALLY make a conscious effort to help Obama (a TEAM MATE, not an opponent) win.

Posted by: Ash | August 7, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

Wow, I can’t believe how immature and delusional the die hard Hillary supporters and/or the Republicans posing as die hards really are.
If Obama loses due to Hillary and her supporters and then runs in 2012, she will lose. Obama supporters will not forget and they will never vote for her in that scenario.
Go ahead and do a roll call. She is liable to get lets votes than she did during the priamries due to many delegates going over to Obama.
You people are a sad bunch. I feel sorry for you to be honest.

Posted by: Deelynn | August 7, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Hear in lies the problem, people tell Hillary to play by the rules but let Obama slide by on anything. Let their be a freaking roll call like most other conventions. Hillary has dealt with the loss she hasnt dealt with the lack of respect. Obama reaching how,,, by sparing 5 seconds after a long speech saying oh yeah if you think about give Hillary some money. This whole thing is so stupid. If it was so wrong and barack had lawyers fighting seating of Michigan and Florida during the primaries why is it a okay now? He should have listened back then and he could have avoided many in those states from beign upset. I mean it wouldnot have changed the out come of the primaries right????? at least thats what the obama camp and his supporters were saying. Now barack my forgo a normal procedure during the convention, for what? it wont change the outcome that he will be nominated right??????? People keep pushing the blame on the clintons, but you see you fail to realize that no matter how you try to spin it there are people that wanted Hillary to win and sorry no they are not all pumas or repbulicans in disguise like you want to beleive. Her delegates have a right to be heard. This a big chance to think of the Covention as a family meeting gather air out your differences and leave them there, but no they want to go the route of submit or shut up and get out.

Posted by: rachel | August 7, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

Ash what do you mean why should those voters be heard?? um because its been the norm at conventions to do a roll call why do you want to shut up your fellow democrats?

Posted by: rachel | August 7, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

As a journalist I am sure you know that it is legal to skip an occasional “you know” or “I mean” when writing down spoken words (unless of course you want the interviewee to appear dumb).

Posted by: El_Pajaro | August 7, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

Hmm beck why blame the clintons? if Obama fails to beat McCain you should look at him and ask where he went wrong. I mean for months the obama supporters have been saying that they don’t need the clintons or her supporters so what should it matter if her supporters dont all get on board? You got those independents and repbulicans that voted for barack in the priamaries? that should be enought right? I mean thats all people were saying and still are saying.

Posted by: rachel | August 7, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Take it to the convention Hillary. Obama doesn’t “think” that Clinton supporters will disrupt the convention -but b-e-l-i-e-v-e me he’s in more trouble than he could EVER imagine.

Posted by: GaryT | August 7, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

Democracy! What’s democratic about superdelegates or a bunch of activists pushing Obama over the edge?
Hillary is talking some sense here. This supposed new great knight isn’t really that great which is why the race was so close.

Posted by: John | August 7, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

This is ridiculous. If it was about an issue, I’d understand. I would have supported Kucinich at the last convention keeping his delegates to push for a real end to the Iraq occupation, but he chickened out. Clinton has no policy differences that would necessitate keeping delegates and fighting out the platform. Therefore, its over.

Posted by: Mike | August 7, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

If Obama manages to block a roll call vote, it will be suppression of Democracy, and he will take on the ominous appearance of a fascist. There will be a vote or the streets will come alive, rest assured.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | August 7, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

Obama had better hope that Hillary Clinton rides in to saves the day (and the Party) at the convention because if he gets the nomination,
he will go on to lose the election, and his political fortunes along with it.
He is in way over his head.

Posted by: Mary Lou Richardson | August 7, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

Obama’s scared. Hee He should be.
I agree. Why accept a convention where the candidate that almost tied the presumed nominee cannot participate in a roll call? What does it say about citizens that want a closed convention?
Fools that run this party. Fools.

Posted by: MadelienFL | August 7, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Yes I am a Clinton supporter and yes I will vote for McCain.
Go McCain!
Hillary 2012!

Posted by: Rob | August 7, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

I am sorry, but can you just imagine if Hillary were the presumed nominee and she was trying to block a roll call?! This is absurd! Quit trying to cushion him talking heads! He is acting in a completely undemocratic, fascist manner. This should concern all of you! If he can’t win fairly or by showing respect for all voters, he shouldn’t be the nominee – period!
BTW…what is with the kumbaya Mr. JT? I don’t get what you are trying to say with that at all.

Posted by: Andrea | August 7, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

Any body read newsmax. Obama doesnt keep his promises. Before all the obama supporters get up in arms Us hillary supporters know its not Obama’s debit but its common practice for the presumtive nomoniee to take on the debit of the other nomoniees, but even that doesn’t mean he has to help, but his promise to help her does mean he should feel obligated.
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Though deep in debt, Hillary quickly fulfilled her promise. But cash-rich Obama has yet to cough up the dough from his backers.
“Hillary has done her part in that regard,” a Hillary adviser told Time. “Obama has not.”
Then there was the warm and fuzzy call between Bill Clinton and Obama. Obama told Clinton he wanted to sit down with the popular former president, the most successful Democratic president since FDR. But Clinton aides say Obama has never folowed up on the verbal invitation.
Proving that hillary at least tries to keep her word, she helped barack get the money she promised he did basically nothing for her in return, but at last she is paying off her debit without his help she just paid off all schools she owed over a 140,000 dollars.

Posted by: rachel | August 7, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

Obama may be ahead in the polls, but there is still a large number of undecided voters. Insulting Clinton supporters is just not productive. The media once again tries to make a mountain out of a mole hill. And anybody that saw Clinton talking about this knows that she was trying to help Obama. And I don’t remember hearing all those you know’s either.

Posted by: Miki | August 7, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

JayBoz…Hillary is leaving her name on the ballod to help Obama. He will be declared the nominee and the imense cloud of doom will lift. She knows we need a Dem in the white house. She is a politician and so is Obama. There is no such thing as “Old Politics”. It was a phrase put out there by the media. And “change” was a campaign stratagy. Either Dem canadate would be a welcome change in the white house. Hating on someone in your own party is something new. Is that the change we need?

Posted by: Bea | August 7, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

I knew there had to be a reason ABC continues to run the Bill Clinton, “I am not a Racist” video and text for severals days. It is no longer headline news.
Here we go, countdown to the DNC Convention and the press has on its to do list to start stirring the Hill/Bill vs Barack pot. CNN has been doing it all day.
17 days and counting

Posted by: clarity | August 7, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

Obama doesn’t need Hillary supporters for the general election.
He has some brilliant strategies like enrolling Republicans to become ‘Democrat for a Day’ and vote for him, bring busloads of supporters to the caucuses, Republicans will vote for his historic candidacy, and such. You see, Obama is a new kind of politician!

Posted by: Rob | August 7, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

Rob said:
“Obama is a new kind of politician!”
You got that right, cowboy.
Obama said:
“A light will shine down… from somewhere. It will light upon you. You will experience an epiphany… You will say to yourself, ‘I have to vote for Barack’ “

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 8, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

John:
“This supposed new great knight isn’t really that great which is why the race was so close.”
Had Obama’s “Wright baggage” been known before the first 11 primaries, Clinton would have won. It was nip and tuck in the voting after March 13, when Obama’s association with Wright hit the news.
In fact, Clinton won 8 of the last 13 primaries. The Obama “won” because he had not been vetted, and that’s a shame

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 8, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

The Democratic Party has become so UN-democratic that they should be ashamed to claim the name. And it’s would be funny, if it were not such a sad commentary on a once great party, that Obama and his DNC backers have so little confidence in him that they are afraid to have Hillary’s name brought up for a roll call vote. Once again, Democrats wimp out.

Posted by: Charlie35 | August 8, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

Hillary is the best qualified to serve as Commander In Chief when comparing her to Obama and McCain. With reluctance I will vote for Obama but my preference is Senator Hillary Clinton. I would never vote for John McCain because it will be more of the same policies and our govt. will continue to be under the rule of a lame duck President.

Posted by: RepublicanNoMore1 | August 8, 2008, 2:12 am 2:12 am

The DNC, together with significant support from a biased media, lost this election months ago. The DNC is so afraid that Obama will be embarrassed by a show of support for Clinton at the convention that they are doing their best to change the way things have been done for many, many years. What a sorry and sad state of affairs. This was the party that should have had a slam dunk win in this fall’s election. Now they’re just trying to find someone else to blame for their pending loss in November and it looks like Clinton will be the scapegoat.

Posted by: mhhunt | August 8, 2008, 7:42 am 7:42 am

The Obamabots don’t want a Convention, they want an innauguration. Obama ascends the mile-high Mount, delivers his Sermon, and everyone chants “yes we can”. Next Obama will bless the loaves and fishes to distribute to the crowd.
There aill be photo-ops and sound bites galore. Why let a little thing like “Democracy” interfere with a perfectly staged event.

Posted by: Lynn | August 8, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am

disect McCain
how does he live for last 20 years, how does he worship, how does he play. how does he vote then and now? we need more specifics. be fair

Posted by: just asking | August 8, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

Obama’s camp reminds me so much of ‘W’ – mirror images of eachother really.

Posted by: Echo21 | August 8, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

dl sez: “…sad that a handful of dumb self whacked supporters on either side could hurt their own candidate this badly.”
dl, I’ve explained it: Obama’s supporters are his worst problem. This move to suppress the roll call only amplifies the perception of his weakness among the voters, his fear. Now we also see in Hollyweird the same kinds of dumb moves to suppress conservatives such as Jon Voight by hints of black listing the conservatives in the entertainment industry who come out against Obama.
Your candidate is in real trouble. The myth of inevitability is shattered. The Democrats have to decide right now if they want to win this election or go down with the ship with their cause intact. Their self-righteous noses stuck in the air will be the last thing we see as his ship disappears beneath the waves of his own arrogance.

Posted by: len | August 8, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

Is Bill going to be announcing Hillary as the next VP? I wonder. David Gergen has been pushing for that – saying that Obama needs some fighter to go against the Rep attack machine.

Posted by: Lisa S | August 8, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am

“Is Bill going to be announcing Hillary as the next VP?”
It would be the smart strategy. So far the Obama machine is long on tactics and short on strategy.
It should be entertaining. Sad but so, this election season has been more about entertainment than substance and that is destroying our government.

Posted by: len | August 8, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

Hillary wants to look like a good loser. Just because she received more votes than Barak she knows she really isn’t worthy to be on the same stage as him. She really should resign from the Senate and start baking cookies. She is as irrelavant as her husband is.

Posted by: Freedom | August 8, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Obama and his supporters and the media have wanted a coronation right from the start. What a fascist farce. It’s a slap in the face to anybody who truly supports the Democratic process.

Posted by: JesseJ | August 8, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Since neither candidate has enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, how can the Democrats possibly justify not putting Hillary’s name up for a vote?
If the candidates were two white men, would there be any question or resistance?
If the candidates were two black men, would there be any question or resistance?
If the candidates were two women, would there be any question or resistance?
What is it about Obama and Hillary that causes the democrats to try to block a vote?

Posted by: marylou | August 8, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

“What is it about Obama and Hillary that causes the democrats to try to block a vote?”
She breaks his stride and beat him in the popular vote. He wants to win by moving the goal posts. She comes back and almost takes the nomination in a floor fight that erupts spontaneously.
IOW: as long as she and Bill are still standing, Obama cannot assume control of the party with confidence and that means they can successfully fight him throughout his single term in office. Obama is acting like Stalin hunting down Trotsky.
In short: she scares him and his handlers. She always has.

Posted by: len | August 8, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Hillary scares me too, glad she’s not the nominee.

Posted by: zz | August 8, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

Hillary’s 18 million + supporters will be paying very close attention to the way that the convention is handled. We do not want a pre-planned, symbolic, and superficial roll call vote. We want a legitimate convention in which Hillary’s name is placed in nomination, and there will be a true vote.
We will not accept some type of phony democratic concoction for “unity’s sake,” indeed we demand true democracy.
The superdelegates have become a joke: backing the candidate who lost their states, and boosting the least electable candidate–making a mockery of their precise roles as superdelegates (to push the one who can actually win). The caucus system has become corrupt, archaic, and useless as well. There are many technical problems with the dem party. Furthermore, democrats in congress have the lowest approval ratings, and Howard Dean, Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Brazile, et al are abhored by at least half of the dem party.
A great deal hangs on how the Denver convention is handled–we are already extremely turned off by Obama’s arrogant show of Kinghood at the Mile High football stadium…
Believe me, we will be watching how the Denver convention goes down, and it could determine whether or not many democrats drop the democratic party this year. Hear this, I am sick of the “new” and “changed” dem party and I am not alone–not at all.
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Posted by: kat in you hat PUMA | August 8, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

If the “Democratic Party” will not “allow” a vote on the floor, then I feel we are seeing the slow and steady death of one of our most prized constitutional rights “the right to vote”. I am sure some will say that I am being to dramatic but I do not like the direction this party is heading towards. I do not like how Speaker Pelosi runs “our” House or the
Party, no descent, no disscusion, no votes. I can only hope that there still some citizens of this party who are more interested in our liberties and rights than creating a mirage of unity for the TV cameras.

Posted by: Jim | August 8, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

There will be a political price to pay if he keeps her off the ballot. Hell, even Howard Dean’s name was put into nomination. he didn’t release his delegates, few as they were, until Kerry was being nominated.
How dare they change the rules?

Posted by: Destini | August 8, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Destini, isn’t that exactly what Hillary was trying to do with Mi and Fl delegates, change the rules???? I guess you could say how dare Hillary, right.

Posted by: ?? | August 8, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

You are right! The Democratic party is slipping into oblivion and people like Kerry Obama Kennedy and Dodd are assisting it’s departure. Obama’a super ego won’t allow the vote on the convention floor because it will show how narrow his victory was for his campaign. Sounds like Republican behavior and tactics, doesn’t it? We have Republican A running and Republican B. The Democratic party caught the last train to the coast, the day, the party died, and we were singing bye bye to our Dem party, drove the chevy to the convention, but the convention was dry, and the good ole’ Dems were drinking whiskey and rye singing this is the day that our party has died, this is the day that our party died… It’s a disgrace is what it is. And, they said today that Bill Clinton is doing the opening speech at the convention. lolol They found out how deep the Clinton’s support runs in this country and never imagined they would have to solicit the Clinton’s help to get their man, who they forced down the country’s throat, Obama, elected. The last laugh is on them! And, if Bill is speaking after how infuriated he was by the way Obama treated Hillary and the way the Democratic party allowed Obama to treat Hillary, and the way the Dem party treated Hillary, you know they are being offered something HUGE FOR HILLARY. Well, well, well, the Dems forced their guy down our throats, AND THEY STILL NEED A GIRL TO GET HIM ELECTED!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And, personally, I hope it doesn’t work and that MCCain slams him in the election because that is how disgusted I am with the Democratic party. This is a perfect example of what happens when you have an inexperienced candidate running in a country that is largely demographically gray, and, have the young inexperienced voters come out in record numbers to vote for an inexperienced candidate because they can’t tell the difference between a seasoned politician and a motivational speaker. I hope McCain slams him in the Novemeber election. I will dance in the streets! The Dem party has to learn a lesson so that they never pull this nonsense again!

Posted by: Mary Anne | August 8, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

Unfortunately and sadly all of hype regarding a vote at the Democratic Convention for a count of Hilary Clinton delegates has been strategically planned from the beginning. Hilary Clinton declared this option was going to be kept open. Fact is Hilary Clinton herself dropped out of the race, and she publicly endorsed Barack Obama. Clinton plans for this convention vote were/have always been their political strategy. She is portraying herself as the victim and appears to be the good sport. Facts support appearances by both of the Clintons reveal and appear they are very polarizing individuals using devious methods for their own benefit. History reveals when these two are involved in something enormous controversy and confusion present. I am very disappointed about the recent implied suggestive words used by Hilary Clinton to get supporters going again. This is good example of political campaign strategy gathering support slowly but surely. Both have been very quiet until reently. Now News Media hype stories have jumped to further nurture it’s growth. President Clinton has now come out to reveal he just can not say he endorses Barack Obama and can not say he feels he is qualified. He further reveals he is upset about how he feels he and his wife were treated during the campaign. Yes, Hilary did experience gender bias, but is negated by fact Barack Obama experienced racial bias. Hilary Clinton herself is playing both sides saying all is well and stating she supports Barack Obama. It does appear she is trying to portray and gain support for herself as the good upstanding victimized Democratic candidate. This is another example of a “populist” political campaign strategy. This is very disappointing to see happen and to be tolerated by so many people.
I truthfully have some difficulty understanding why all of this has to occur. Facts just do not support many of the Clinton stances.
My long records with facts from articles on each candidate reveal Hilary Clinton was:
(1)Hilary Clinton was the more attack candidate secretly giving out and indiscretely inflicting smear tactics on Obama – examples are long and verified – Clinton’s were indeed more personal smear attacks. Records about Barack Obama attacks on Hilary were much lower and were not personal strong smear attacks. Clinton has many bad, bad baggage that could have been used against her, but Barack Obama did not use. Facts seem to support this is not the type of campaign Barack Obama conducts. Facts reveal Clinton used in various public advertised and underground venues not publicized.
(2)Hilary Clinton took “populist” stances that were not factual fairness nor solutions, only wanting to gain votes for herself. Everyone needs to look up the true meaning and reasons for using “populist” stances. These political strategies play on emotional issues/concerns of the voters. Voters gain nothing by these stances as any beneficial outcomes of the stances will never be realized. Discouraging to see these types of stances taken when we have so many financial disasters affecting us today
(3)Unfair conduct pursuing votes and voters support(another “populist stance”) for Michigan and Florida DNC declared non-sanctioned primaries – requesting votes stand from primaries when Michigan court made decision primaries were not legal primaries as state law moving date up is not legal – Hilary Clinton Campaign representatives were non – negotiating and took hostile stances – revealed and displayed during televised DNC Committee Meeting where final decision was voted upon regarding Michigan and Florida primary status and results and allocation of their delegates- facts reveal Barack Obama representatives displayed good stances and were trying to be fair and “give a little” as good will gestures – this was not shown on TV, but was during time when committee was out negotiating away from cameras- expert witnesses publicly testified Barack Obama had majority of vote for more delegates to go to his side but they suggested and supported giving Hilary more. This whole situation was most definitely not something any good parent would want to teach their children as an example of how to live life with good values abiding by present laws and rules for total fairness for all involved.
(4)Unfair to blame Barack Obama for not attempting to do more to pay off her campaign debt. Obama has been so polite and supportive. Would not let his supporters ridicule her- end of problem. He has asked his supporters to give to her campaign. Some have, but reality exists. Money is short for many people today. Difficult for them to give to both campaigns and support their families. FACT -Hilary Clinton raised great outstanding record breaking totals of campaign donations for her primary campaign too. Facts reveal Clinton campaign had intense personal controversies going on between staff, more confusion and blowups, revealed poor campaign management to keep campaign financially sound and in black, lack of control and questionable selection of campaign staff. Hilary Clinton should have been quite capable of clearing her debt if she truly had a great voter support existing even after the close of the Democratic primaries. Her monthly records of campaign donations indicated her debt would be whipped out easily if she really still had supporters as she now claims she has. I saw she campaigned strong even at the end not curtailing expenses even though her campaign was deeply in debt. So who is to blame for piling campaign debt up further? Barack Obama had nothing to do with any of Hilary Clinton Campaign finances or management of the money spent. Hilary Clinton did though. The Clinton’s continued to pile up this debt themselves. Barack Obama had actually backed off heavy campaigning at the end saving money. Now Barack Obama is being blamed for this debt??? Unbiased common sense supports fact Hilary Clinton Campaign present debt is in all ways is reflective of Hilary Clinton’s ineffective campaign oversight and financial management, and continued strong campaigning without regard to financial stability of her campaign.
These are only a few example of my long records I have accumulated and do not includes all the facts or reason I would /could include. This response would be qay too long.
I attempted to evaluate both candidate fairly from the beginning and throughout. I am actually Republican, but was not satisfied with present administration and Republicans. I was willing to evaluate all candidates o both parties. I originally started out favoring/supporting Hilary Clinton. But Hilary herself pushed me away. The records I kept do speak what is true and what isn’t. Words are cheap. Barack Obama came out way ahead as a more honest and less vicious.
I find the all of the currents actions by Hilary Clinton Campaign and President Clinton planned all along. Their public appearances are very disturbing. Seem to reveal they want and feel they deserve and are entitled to alot of things. All is so very secretive??? Guess we will all see and evaluate facts as this story unfolds. I am quite disturbed and skeptical about their true motives. These two are well known for their polarizing political moves. All to be continued—

Posted by: Sharonklim | August 8, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

Freedom:
The perfect recipe for NOT gaining influence and capturing votes…..:
“Just because she received more votes than Barak she knows she really isn’t worthy to be on the same stage as him. She really should resign from the Senate and start baking cookies.”
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…AND IF SO, then Obama should step out of the political rink and pen a few more novels!

Posted by: hmmmmm | August 8, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

People get over it almost every other convention has a roll call? why not this one? Oh cause it’s Hillary? Where is edwards? were is dodd, where is kunich? why is hilllary alone responsible for supporting barack? And I would think the DNC would want the last democratic president to speak at the convention.

Posted by: rachel | August 8, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

‘Only when you count votes including Michigan and Florida does Hilary Clinton receive more votes. ”
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But none theless, some of the Michigan delegates were given to OBama… who had CHOSEN not to run.
And none theless, OBama, who fought tooth and nail against the seating of these two states.. now… after he has been SELECTED as the presumptuous (!)candidate… wants them to be FULLY seated.
What ever happened to the DEMOCRATIC

Posted by: hmmmmm | August 8, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

PARTY?????

Posted by: hmmmmm | August 8, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

“Sharonklim” …voting is not “hype”, if you cast aside your rights and liberties as a American you have lost everything no matter what you think of a canidate, Barrack, Hillary, or McCain. All voices will be heard one way or another, whats your pleasure?

Posted by: Jim | August 8, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Well, well, well, Bill Clinton has been tapped to give the opening speech at the convention prior to Obama announcing his running mate for the campaign. This can mean only thing! Either Hillary is being tapped as the vice-president or being given a large roll in Obama’s administration otherwise Bill Clinton would have told them to go fly a kite! So, little Obama couldn’t get the polls to go high enough in his favor and now he has to go to a girl, the gender that he bashed during his campaign in the primary, to help him get elected! lolololol! I am loving it! And, I actually still hope he loses to McCain, little pompous nit!

Posted by: Mary Anne | August 8, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

“I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified.”
The voices of the American electorate HAS ALREADY spoken. Hillary LOST. End of story!

Posted by: mrspeel2 | August 8, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

Bill will not be announcing Hillary as VP. Evan Byah is not on the schedule to speak and that could be telling.

Posted by: Debra | August 8, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

OK, we assume that the creepy Clintons are going to make a grab for the candidacy at the convention. One somewhat cynical view would be that they would start releasing cover stories so that their bad behavior would not look so bad. One of those might be that other candidate (cough John Edwards) were as bad as they are. Hmmm…, how would tht work? It might be difficult to get Edward to agree to expose himself the way creepy Bill did to female workers in Arkansas.

Posted by: disambiguates | August 8, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

Let the roll call happen. Just as it has in years past. This is the democratic process. Frankly the DNC is loosing this race.
If Hillary looses, she looses. If Obama looses he looses.
This is politics people.
Personally, if Obama wins, I will not vote for him. He is not the experience we need.
I am a Life time Democrat who is ready to change parties!

Posted by: reminnov | August 9, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

Why is HRC having to do more for the DNC and Obama than her predecessors (Ted Kennedy, Bill Bradley, Gary Hart, etc.) ever did after they lost the nomination to the eventual nominee? Is this one of those sexism thing again?
Look, Ted Kennedy would not shake Carter’s hand at the convention even though he was a distant second.
Hillary does not owe the DNC or Obama anything. It should not be up to Hillary to see that Obama wins the election. It’s Obama who has to win the election on his own merit.

Posted by: Sam | August 10, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

I have been a Democrat since I started to vote at 18. I have never voted for a Republican in my life but, I guess there is a first time for everything. Obama is an inexperienced, half of a first term senator, who, instead of serving his term and trying to LEARN something, let his ego get the best of him. He has spent almost his whole time in the senate running for President. As shown in the debates, he knows little if anything on the important issues, he would wait for Hillary to answer and either agree with her or say the same thing just changing the words around a little. Had voters in the first primaries known about Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and all of his other crooked friends, I doubt he would be this far anyway. I bet there is more “buyer’s remorse” out there than anyone realizes. Hillary Clinton knows the issues inside and out, and made him look like an uninformed idiot in the debates. How anyone can vote for this ego maniac is beyond me. He was given stolen votes by the “rules committee” for a state that he took his name off of the ballot. Why should he get votes that were rightfully hers? Not to mention that the “super delegate” system is a farce! If you look at how many of the super delegates got money from Obama’s and Pelosi’s pacs and how many voted against their own constituency after that donation it shows you how many elected officials can be bought and paid for. Obama is crooked and he just knows how to work a crooked system. I will be voting John McCain in November.

Posted by: nhkat | August 15, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

George W Bush had “no experience” when he became president but succeeded in balloxing up almost everything he touched. Why? He didn’t have the qualities neccessary for leadership. Obama has qualities neccesary for being an effective president. God help us if McCain becomes president to give us eight more years of Bush!
If Bill Clinton is the keynote speaker at the Democratic Nat’s Convention, it may be a hint as to who Obama’s VP will be.
Nuff said.

Posted by: JR Saba | August 19, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

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