For Obama at Saddleback, a Tough Crowd on Some Issues

Now those Hillary supporters have a real sense of what a neo-con, anti-choice, anti-gay, McCain is. There you go fools!!!!

“…answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade“
LOL
That seems to be his real answer to ALL issues!

America has a clear choice. Do we want a president who will tell you what you want to hear? Or do we want a president who can see issues through various opinions and point of views? We have been fooled by those who tell us what we want to hear before. Is it their fault NOPE! It’s the American voters fault! Nothing gets done when we fall to see life through others point of view. My fear is America is not ready to grow up!

Neither of these guys are Christians, they are pseudo-Christians through political convenience. This Rick Warren forum is one big joke. It’s a discussion around big business “Christianity” between three rich guys.

As a “born-again Christian” myself, I would like to emphasize that not all of us are so-called “cultural conservatives”.
It was good of Pastor Warren to host the Civil Forum on the Presidency at his church.
However, as Pastor Warren’s best-selling book “The Purpose Driven Life” states in its opening: “It’s not about you.”
Thus, this election is NOT about cultural conservatives or evangelical Christians either.
It is about what is good for America and what is good for the world.
We have had two miserable presidential terms which were all about what was good for cultural conservatives and evangelical Christians and these two terms have been a selfish disgrace!
These last two terms were to America what the Pharisaical rule was to the Holy Land.
We must remember that Jesus said: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
Let’s do good for American and for the world as well.
Regardless of race, national origin, religion or no religion, please elect Senator Barack Obama President of the United States.

rachel: I’m not sure what you mean – what specifically did you not understand about Senator Obama’s answers?
If you make over a quarter million dollars a year, you are “doing well,” (rich).
He supports civil unions for same sex couples.
He is pro-choice and is not going to enforce a life begins at conception viewpoint (which would of course result in the banning of IUDs as a birth control device, and potentially some formulations of the birth control pill).
Really, he put enough specifics out there that anyone claiming he gave no definate answers reflects quite poorly on their basic English comprehension.

Did anyone notice that McCain doesn’t stop and think before he answers? He gave such knee jerk reactions, often without letting Warren even finish the question. World War III will be started by our country if this man is elected.

The interviews were pretty good, and Obama did quite well with a hostile audience, who I would was was about 60/40 republican democrat. But McCain basically told the people what they wanted to hear. That if we drill offshore all your problems will be solved. In actuality if McCain is elected he will be beholden to his corporate/republican masters. All that talk about energy straight out the t boone pickens plan isnt going to happen with McCain. Republicns will give leases for oil companies to drill anywhere and that oil (especaily in alaska) will be sold to the world market, not the American people for a discount.
My second point would be abortion, no liberal thinks abortion is a good thing. But to ban abortion would lead to women (mostly teenagers) to go across borderlines to get these procedures done, and then what? Are we going to lock these women up? Honestly its not a cut and dry issue.
My third point would be taxes. Taxing those who make over 250,000 dollars a year a measly sum of possibly 3 percent more is not going to bankrupt them. But if we want to fix our economy and bring the dollar back up to where it should be, we must pay off our national debt. You cant use a credit card to finance your wars and expect the next generation to pay for it. We need fiscal responsibility that doesnt consist of abolishing every social program the US has. Thats not a solution as John McCain suggested, in fact it would be national suicide. We need good roads, good schools, a good military, a good infrastructure etc., etc..
McCain is very good at please the rightwing theologians, but he isnt going to help America at all. Once McCain is in office I promise you he will be the puppet of the same republican power structure we have seen for the last 8 years.
Obama 08!!! We need realy solutions not pandering to evangelicals!!!

McCain was terrific.
Obama was a disaster.
I think agreeing to participate in this program might be the second biggest mistake Obama has made during his campaign – 2nd only to how he handled the Reverend Wright fiasco.

I think we saw the real McCain tonight, McBush. Four more years of lies and deceits, good luck if McCain gets in.
I am donating to Obama.

Both candidates were interesting to listen to. Neither surprised me, nor convinced me to vote for either one of them. After a 30 year professional career and attaining a highest annual salary of $52,000, I didn’t make Obama’s list of a ‘typical middle class wage earner of at least $150,000.’ Is it any wonder both candidates have problems with average Americans, many of whom work three jobs to keep their families together? I don’t think they have a clue!

This was not a debate, it was a conservation. How can someone win a conservation.

Obama answered Rick’s questions honestly and thoughtfully.
Mccain gave a stump speech to an evangelical crowd…with very little thought.
exactly how they would lead…
Obama like great presidents have…thoughtful
McCain like Bush…like a rapid fire cowboy…
In fact 2 out of 3 of the answers from mccain I have heard in his speeches.
sad sad sad

I thought the real telling part of the interview with Obama came when he mentioned Rick Warren’s book sales in response to his question about what constitutes his definition of “rich.” If Obama is as much of a buddy of warren’s as he pretends to be, he would know that Rick warren tithes 90% — YES — 90% — of his royalties to charity.
On the other hand, I came in thinking Obama would appeal to me as a woman who bases her vote on Faith and values MUCH more than McCain. In fact, I have been struggling about who to vote for and was definitely leaning roward Obame. After tonight, I saw Obama dance around all the questions that are important to me while Mccain gave straighforward answers. I nevr thought I’d say this — but I’m now solid for McCain.

Roxanne,
Please see my previous post … calling McCain “McWar” is childish, immature, and the mark of a partisan hack.
Grow up.

I am also wondering where the reporting on McCain is. He moved quite far to the right to please the evangelical crowd. I think that the moderate swing voters deserve at least a token report on what he professed tonight. It would be incredible bias to let McCain’s potentially controversial positions go completely unreported while dissecting Obama down to the last “uh.”
Who did McCain define as “rich”?

Their is a large quiet majority that will vote for McCain. No movie star endorsements or roaring crowds

Erik, You are the man. Please said it one more time. America is not ready to grow up….

You can’t trust a man who cheats on his wife. He’ll say and do anything to hide who he really is. You’ll never really know who he is.
That’s why McCain hides from it…and didn’t answer the question. That also shows you can’t trust him.

I thought that both candidates did really well. However, I think Obama, once again had better ideas on how to deal with real issues such as abortion and stem cell research in a practical way. He still has the better position on the war and seems to have a better vision of how our energy crisis will play out in the future.
Abortion and stem cell research are not going away. To emphasize preventative care and they means of doing that was very important in my opinion
In addition, McCain’s views to use every source of energy is admirable. However, to emphasize nuclear power as much as he does without having any idea on how it would effect our coastal reefs and still have no where to store the dangerous materials is just plain ignorant.
I think McCain tried to play the sympathy vote the entire time he was speaking and pandered to the crowd.
Obama spoke genuinely on the issues and showed humility.

I was expecting McCain to say the lowest moral point in his life was when he was involved in the Keating savinga and loan scandal or when he had an adulterous affair that led to his divorce. The evangelical group heard what they wanted to hear from McCain tonight but wait until they see the latest blasphemous religious negative ad he ran against Obama? They are gonna see his evil side. They will see the real McCain.
Yes, we can! Obama ’08

I don’t care which is elected, but how could anyone argue that Obama was better, at least on this particular format tonight, than McCain.

Obama may have superior intellect but it is true that in these kinds of forums where being real counts he wasnt and mccain was whatever you think of his policies …. these elitist college professor types that say just trust us Obama will be the best I am trully sick of… the point uis Obama cant do a thing other than read a teleprompter it is the GW Bush model in reverse… so far it goes… take Bushes advice Fool me once dont get fooled again!

President Obama did a great job!!!
He was very honest with his answers.
I think John McCain was listening to Barack backstage, you could tell he knew something about the questions before even hearing them in his quick pro-war answers.
People wake up. Do not elect the C student again, please, vote for intelligence.
Barack Obama ’08

Obama was the young man endowed with a good intellect who mistakenly thinks he is smarter and more knowledgeable than his elder who is possessed of a wide and varying experience in service of his country.
McCain was the elder.
The contrast was about as stark as it gets.

Staniam, I do agree that John McCain was real tonight. I think they both were. But it seemed to me that the way he was launching into his answers before the questions were even finished showed that he is pretty damn quick to judge complicated issues. It is the kind of judgement that Bush has exercised many times over the past 8 years, and frankly, things haven’t gone so well…

Independent wrote: “I don’t care which is elected, but how could anyone argue that Obama was better, at least on this particular format tonight, than McCain.”
It’s called Bush Derangement Syndrome. NIH is working on it as we type.

McCain is a double talk express, most people don’t realize that he voted for the nomination of the judges that he said at the forum he would not nominate.
He does talk without thinking, he will get this country into another dumb war. WThese quick direct answers are not well thought out. Obama understands the complexity of the issues we face and
for the most part there is no cut and dry answer so he is right in responding in a very thoughtful way as he did regarding his opposition to the war in Iraq. He took the time to analyze the issue at hand. McCain took his knee jerk approach with a quick thoughtless answer which got us in the situation we’re in. That is his style and it will only get the country into deeper trouble. Voters should pay more attention and put the pieces together and not let McCain’s double talk and tough talk blur their vision as to who he really is, Bush on steroids who will continue and amplify the corruption in Washington among other things.

John, specifying the precise moment when fetuses acquire human rights is a theological question. It’s tantamount to trying to prove God’s existence, or asking what the meaning of life is. I personally believe that that moment occurs at conception, and it is probably the key disagreement I have with Senator Obama. That said, I don’t believe that anyone could objectively defend that view. His inability to answer that question with specificity is therefore legitimate.
Otherwise his position on abortion is clear: He is pro-choice, but would consider limiting late-term abortions if there were exceptions made for the health of the mother. Again, not a position I agree with, but a legitmate one nonetheless.

Alex
you are not willing to be objective and listen to both candidates answers to the same questions and so who did better:Mccain

The point of the event was to inform the public of the candidates faith views. McCain didn’t even take it seriously. I heard war stories and policy prescriptions.
Obama actually answers questions. I disagree with the guy on virtually every issue, and could never vote for him, but he’s honest, and spoke his mind, even if it was long winded at times. I have to give him credit for that.

american patriot
Yes Mccaain maybe have been a little quick on his answers but at the same time it seemed that Obama was folowing a Bush model….you say you dotn want a Bush 3rd term but someone that walks and talks like Bush is bound to be a Bush… the campaign peratives are obviously calculating that doing that is what works and what might get him elected. Clinton on the other hand stake out thoughtful real solutions to things and Pelosi et al still went with what looked good

When I hear Obama speaks he reminds me of politicians and activists during the Civil War and before. No matter the ideological or moral side, they gave detailed arguments for their beliefs. With our advanced technology today, too much of the American public is intellectually lazy and relies on sound bytes for their information and to reinforce a particular set of beliefs. They are not up for the challenge of thoughtful inquiry.

Why thank you, Am Pat.

It’s depressing to see that so many of us only saw what we wanted to see and heared what we wanted to hear. People on both sides of the aisle: try to acknowledge your biases when you are making judgements. Why did you even watch this event if you already had your mind made up about what you were going to think about it.

After today’s conversation, one thing is clear – McCain is sincerely patriotic, he will die for this country. Obama can be a world president, if such a title existed, – in fact it may be a good idea to create such a title, make Obama the president and see how good he goes on international issues, if he does great, then make him the US president! I don’t think Obama has convictions about anything – he is still trying to figure things out. And the answer “above my paygrade” is so totally degrading.

Sue
thats right. I think what people most remember is Obama going off on a world tour right before the start of a GE season because he couldnt figure out what else to do… the world has become too integrated…. again going back to the notion that Obama is in the same vein as the Bushes and the carlysle group which came up with the “New World Order” one world government type thing… people may dismiss it as conspiracy theory but Obamas base is saying oh hhe really knows whnat hes talking about without discernign it for themselves sortof scary… I could vote for him but he darn well better pick CLinton or a Clinton type politician as VP or he wont win!

Dazoom
exactly there should be the two candidates one modrator and the same questions period… none of this gotcha stuff that got rid of the more knowledgable candidates in the primary campaign… case in point… NBCs commentators that were moderators of some of the debates it looked liek a circus!

I thought McCain was frightening and I felt that he only thinks of the military and war. I thought Obama was thoughtful and direct. He will get my vote for president!

I think what is being overlooked by Mccain’s base(the press) is that Mccain showed that he is too quick on the trigger. He doesn’t think about his actions before he engages. This is a very dangerous attribute in a person seeking to be POTUS. I’m afraid that his zeal as witnessed in the faith forum will lead us into WWIII. Obama showed that he processes information before making a decision.

A Christian must demonstrate his faith in his everyday life. Jesus lashed out at the Pharisees for pretending to be religious while acting in ways that showed no faith and a lack of compassion for others. One man in this presidential race has consistently showed by his life that he follows the precepts of Jesus, in his marriage, in his strong profession that Jesus died for his sins, in his knowledge and use of scripture in his everyday life, in the tenor of his campaign,in his compassionate programs that leave no one behind. That man is Barack Obama.
John McCain says what he wants us to hear. I have no doubt that he prayed at his darkest hour, as many pray when they have no other hope. But I do not see a prayerful or God directed stance in most of John McCain’s actions and decisions in his everyday life. Many of his personal decisions have been blatantly selfish, he is confrontational and petty and has a nasty sense of humor, and his current decisions to smear his opponent at every turn shows an un-Christian mean streak. Be careful Christians, look at deeds and the honest heart, not just words and slapstick humor(my friends).

James
those of us beyond draft age dont really care that you make Obama your candidate because he is the one who wont institute the draft…think again, Obama will keep the troops in Iraq as long as mccain will and will so he wont be any different than mccain on the military..guess its time for you to go to canada!

McCain = Bush on steroids, that’s the reality behind all his double talk.

Dear Fellow Americans – after a good night of sleep, please watch the re-runs tomorrow – with the sound OFF…notice the body language and eye movements of each candidate. Pretend you are a world leader and you have to wait for a translator to understand what has been said. Which guy seems to be in control of the situation? That is the guy you should vote for because he will be the leader of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Sleep well my friends!

The main things that decide it for me are #1 Obama’s economic policies are basically a repeat of what’s been tried before by Carter. We all know where that got us.
#2 If we don’t get over our political correctness guilt that is constantly being shoved on us by environmentalists and re-inforced by the media and hollywood and start drilling for our oil we will continue down the decline.

Good questions by Warren.
Both men did well.
However, McCain slipped in the race card at the end. Don’t know if McCain always put his country first at Annapolis. He was a real partier and graduated 5th from the bottom. McCain
has a good sense of humor. He summed up walking out on his wife and children for another woman, as the failure of my first marriage.
Obama gave honest answers to questions, even though he knew they might not always please the audience.
He also gave reasons for his answers, which sometimes makes his answers wordy.
Fair and balanced article by Tapper
Good commetary by most of the respondents, except a for a few haters.

Interesting the reviews so far have this as a win for McCain but 4 out of 6 headlines on these blogs are about Obama. So typical. I could never vote Obama (although I’m with him on pro choice). In fact it was his only answer I got….his manner of speaking is really hard to follow with all the um, ah, ug’s. Why does he look down all the time too? Who says he’s such a good communicator…scripted speech doesn’t count? Gergen says Obama has to lift his game…they all say he has to quit dancing around the specifics, cut to the chase. He seriously loses me and millions of others I’m sure. Maybe he’ll pick a VP who has better debate skills. I MISS HILLARY.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!!!!

Obama stuttered, stammered and equivocated, afraid to answer any question in a straightforward manner. When asked about the existence of evil, he forgot to mention Al Qaeda! The guy is not ready for prime time…

Friend Ron – we are already AT WAR…the enemy is called “Al-Qaeda” (there are several spellings, but believe me, they ARE THE ENEMY!) And please don’t call me an idiot!

What does it mean when McCain says that he ” will follow Bin Laden to the gates of Hell to get him ?
If Osama Bin Laden is already at the gates of Hell, shouldn’t we just let him enter? McCain came into this forum with the Evangelicals with a 75-25 advantage. If Obama comes out of this with a 70-30, He did well. I really felt that John McCain was appearing at the Tonight Show….. all talk, no substance. He really dismissed the cruelty to his first wife with the key words ” failed marriage ” Is it just me or does McCain look like he practices in front of a mirror. I felt like I was hearing a McCain’s favorite hits of War Stories.

McCain’s answers showed that his mindset is a continuation of that of George W. Bush. Clearly, he:
- sees things in black and white
- “doesn’t do nuance”
- favors anecdotal data over statistical analysis in forming his opinions
- fails to realize that decisions are for “what to do” rather than “what is true”
- is decisive about what is true and false regardless of facts and evidence

I’ve watched a lot of the saddleback conference now, and my impression was that for Obama it was a chance to talk about his faith and how it affects his thinking, and for McCAin it was a political event. I thought that especially about the Justices question. Obama took offence to one or two more ‘right wing’ justices, McCain picked out every ‘liberal’ judge. Obama made clear that his opinion on Clarence Thomas was not only based on Thomas’s views but that he wasn’t upto the job, and he even said one or two things positive about Chief Justice Roberts. I thought he gave a balanced and fair answer. McCain then railed against an ‘activist’ court making ‘laws from the bench’. By the way wouldn’t overturning Roe vs Wade being legislating from the bench in a way? Would Senator McCain say that 1954 Brown vs School board of Topeka judgement was ‘legislating from the bench’? Or how about the 2000 ‘Bush v Gore’ Judgement? He then said in a very partisan way that he would not have nominated any of the more liberal judges.
I felt Obama participated more in the spirit of the event, and discussed his faith and how it shapes him more openly and honestly than McCain, even when it put him out of step with the congregation.
I think people mistake Obama thinking for Obama not being able to speak fluently without a teleprompter. I thought he was thoughtful and intelligent. McCAin was just repeating many of his preaaranged talking points without much thought. It did make him in this forum a passionate and eloquent soeaker, but I didn’t get the feeling I learnt much more about him as a person. I felt I got to know Obama a little more. It will be interesting to see them debate side by side on some of these issues.

McAin was ON FIRE!! WOW…This guy is great!

Obama lost, McCain won – period. Obama kept stuttering, i.e., I, I, I,, I, think, think, think uh. Makes him appear indecisive and making things up as he goes along – no true core beliefs. Another thing is that I’ll never vote for Obama (not for just this one thing but the horribleness of his actions) because when he was in Chicago legislature, he voted three times to withhold medical care for babies who survive abortions! It is the absolute coldest, evil act I could think of anyone doing. Letting a baby starve to death in spite of having survived an abortion!! There’s cruelty and just plain meaness in that thinking.

McCain gave honest answers and spoke with conviction using his life experiences as reference points. Obama, on the other hand, seemed UMMMM-AHHHH-EHHHH-DUHHHHHH at a loss for words, out of his league, and in sore need of his speech writer and teleprompter so the MSM can continue its 1984-style indoctrination about what a stirring communicator Obama is.
Who pays the people that come on this site and back Obama after his terrible,
sorely-lacking performance? He was thoughtful??? Please, give us a break, Obama is Bush Jr II; he is circling within his mind fog. Obama really doesn’t have a clue and that is very, very scarey.
President John McCain; sounds good…..
Make it happen, America!

I found it interesting that taking federal money but not applying federal guidelines in the form of hiring came up. If I am a Christian, don’t i already reach out to all the community? Won’t my congregation be reflective of the community at large? Did I sense some hypocracy with that question? Love thy neighbor, only if I can choose who my neighbor is?
Maybe faith-based is a different distiction from Christian.
Separately, the Bush administration has not mentioned al-queda in several years, invaded a sovereign nation that did not attack the US, and has finally admitted that it lied to the American people and Congress to do so. We are in a war that should never have been entered and we are preaching to Russia. Shame on the GOP and all its supporters. Get out of Iraq. Then you can tell others to get out. Until then, please let you actions speak for you.

if going to Iraq was about envangelism i will be glad but if christians will use lie to achieve the will of god for god it is a SIN.It is unfortunate how peace could have achieve more than this war,all the so called new christians in Iraq will be like the seed planted on the road side in Mark 4,it will not survive bcos whatever is built on wrong foundation will not suceed

I have not been a John McCain enthusiast but last night at the Saddleback forum, I came away with the sense that everyone will know where he stands! For those who think he did “talking points” on his beliefs – maybe they are his beliefs – so you state the obvious. Obama was shallow although I did learn a lot from him – and he has neither the depth of convictions or life experiences to preside over this country in these times. He would be rolled in a heartbeat by tough opponents from other countries.

McCain gave his standard stump speech which Rick Warren never called him on.
On the other hand Warren told Obama not to give him stump speech answers. Nope, no bias there.
And by the way why didn’t this article point out that McCain’s answer to what he considers wealth is $5 million dollars. I guess if you wear $500 shoes and own a half dozen homes whats a$5 million.

It’s funny that the Bots set the bar so low when they know the golden boy lost. They only expect a 5% gain in the evangelical vote……lol.
He did not gain anything last night and my opinion is that he lost quite a bit. Even though he admitted to having the questions in advance (“I cheated and looked that one up”) he can not give clear concise answers and only speaks well with a written speech and a teleprompter.
Compare that to McCain who speaks very well when it is from the heart, but poorly when it’s a speech written by someone else.
As for Puma’s, if you check out the blogs, we were very impressed with McCain and as usual, disgusted with nobama.

Obama answered his questions just like a good Socialist …or some say Marist. Like his mama and wife taught him. Study your history people!

“Obama answered his questions just like a good Socialist ”
It’s a good point, but I’m beginning to wonder if he isn’t more about big-government, base appeasement and personal aggrandizement.
Some of the 30 or so policy shifts he has made this month must be difficult to justify with his Socialist backers, and will make governing as a Socialist much more difficult. Of course, maybe he just figures he has to do it to get elected.

Gary Brown: “God help us! ..Obama says …yet on his website he says… Then you say that”
Gary, you are taking this as if Obama were a sincere person with well-thought out positions.
Here’s the truth. He is a Harvard trained lawyer, with a belief system established by Harvard and then modified by Reverend Wright and Chicago ward politics.
Nothing he says has anything to do with anything other than getting elected.
By saying multiple things that are directly opposed to each other, he intends to be able to represent himself as all things to all people. If you had the opportunity to talk to him about your topic, you would come away thinking he agrees with you 100%.
All politicians do this to a certain extent. But Obama is an extreme case, hardened by the experiences I stated above.
But your opening about “God help us” is exactly on-point.

I thought it quite interesting the way Obama avoided the question of when an unborn child has rights. This abortion issue is a MAJOR concern for all Americans. If he (Obama) can’t make up his mind on this issue because it’s “above my pay scale”, why should I believe he will know what to do when that 3AM phone call comes in?? Come on, Barak, have the GUTS tpo say what you think. Once again, he voted “present.”

For me there is but one choice… John
McCain. If that offends you then you need to take a deep breath and wait just a minute… “It’s my country too!” Thats why we have a two party system. And even though one prevails over the other, we remain Americans. But from some of the hate, rhetoric and intolerance that I continue to hear and read about, I get the impression that we may at some point in time be headed for another civil war in America!

Separation of Church and State. Rick Warren and his congregations do not represent the moral majority of America.
I resent the fact that the candidates have to pander to evangelicals.
I wonder if any of the evangelicals pratice what they preach.

“I thought it quite interesting the way Obama avoided the question of when an unborn child has rights… Come on, Barak, have the GUTS tpo say what you think.”
What about the people who have the guts to take a provisional position when there is not enough evidence. That’s the problem with fundamentalism: it is too uncomfortable with mystery and must have an absolute position on everything, no matter how irrational. But even the bible does not prescribe personhood to a fetus until it gets the “breath of life” at birth. Infants are not even counted in censuses either, and the only verse that mentions the death of a fetus requires only a fine, unless the mother is killed. The superimposition of personhood onto blastulas and zygotes and cells in petri dishes is not in any bible verse I’ve ever seen and so Obama does have wiggle room there- sorry. He also brings up the elephant in the room considering Christian’s inharmonious acceptance of IVF and complacency over loss of fertalized eggs, yet aggression over stem cells. Think about it people. Oh, last, fans of Warren’s best seller need to see it get DEMOLISHED by Robert Price’s “The Reason Driven Life.”

I just heard that McCain was never in the “cone of silence” referred to by Pastor Warren. When asked by Rick if he was comfortable in that “cone of silence,” McCain joked that he was in an adjacent room “listening through the wall”–when apparently he was not and could have heard all the questions in advance. It was clear to those of us watching impartially that he knew much of the early script in advance. Some of his answers were too pat to be spontaneous responses to tough questions–about moral failings, Supreme Court appointees, etc. Plain and simple, McCain lied to Warren’s first question and probably had a huge unfair advantage. I assume that Pastor Warren was not complicit in this and that he will disavow any link to McCain, and throw his support to the honest candidate–Barack Obama. What is Warren’s response to all this? Jack

Barry blew it big time.

im a true conservative and in no way was going to vote for McCain. i was going to sit this one out…but after last night, John doesn’t seem as bad as i once had thought.
I can’t believe the Messiah(barry) danced around the questions like he danced on the Ellen Degeneres show. I am voting for Mccain…. Obama is not ready to lead. he is great reading off a teleprompter or reciting a speech that someone else wrote, but he is not a non action guy…I am so glad hillary isn’t running..she was definatly the more qualified of the democratic candidates…The only difference between oBama and oSama..is the BS!

I thought it was mediated fairly although I don’t agree with the views of many Evangenitals.

I was sitting front row at the Saddleback hosted event
I am a current member of Saddleback.
I sat in the front row at the forum and it was a experience I will cherish for the rest of my life.
I live within 1/4 mile of Saddleback.
All I can say is that, I have been blessed enough to have visited over 14 countries around the world. The memory I retain from the past weekend is something I will cherish for a lifetime.
And I was one of two people who was able to shake the hand of Obama. Yeah… McCain ignored me.

Barry
You say you wonder if Evangelicals practice what they preach. How about it if you move away from your sheltered starbucks life and spend some time in a church. You will find that most live the life they talk. The work hard to ensure they are not living a dead faith. Meaning, that if you have faith, but do not do gods work, then your faith without works is dead.

Irony is obama supporters complaining about McCain sounding prepared and scripted.

One last question; What does it tell you if someone admits he doesn’t know when life begins, BUT can tell everyone it can be terminated when you want it to be. That’s blunt… it looks like someone cares more about an issue than life itself.
Destroy an unborn human and its okay, step on an eagle’s egg and you get fined. What are we thinking?

…”Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans…” Barack Obama
To Barack: While I could not vote for McCain, I am disgusted with your lack of integrity and support when it comes to the LGBTQ community and marriage. Either you want to give the LGBTQ community complete respect or none at all. A little respect is not good enough. Complete dignity and respect is showing support for our equality which obviously includes marriage. Sure, the issue of gay marriage is the ‘third rail’, but then don’t say you’re about “change” because in the end, when you can look the LGBTQ community in the eye, in front of evangelicals, and say boldly and proudly that you do not believe in gay marriage, you have rendered me invisible. You don’t see me, then I won’t see you. You’re no better than the rest of the politicians.
At some point “change I can believe in” has got to include the rights of adult individuals to marry whether gay or straight.
Not that long ago, the marraige between white and black people was illegal too. You wouldn’t exist if the people had not stood up to an inhumane law that had to eventually have the support of government.
Politicians are politicans. They say what they must to get elected. However, you claim to be different. Question: Why do you not believe in gay marriage? Why can’t you say you personally support it? Is it because, deep down, the union of gay people wedded in holy matrimony repulses you? Could you actually befriend a gay married couple and not respect their choice? How is it that you can meet upstsanding, loving and accomplished gay people and not believe that two consenting, non-related adults have the right to marry? Are we less than human to you? Since we don’t choose our gender, how could you not support a natural outgrowth of two consenting adults who want to pledge their lives to one another, gay or straight? What difference is there to you, really?
Because of your popularlity, your lack of respect sets us back.
Too many of us are silent right now because we’re so often beat down but we need to fight you.
No complete recognition to LGBTQ, no vote from me or my friends.