McCain at Saddleback: His Wise Men, and His Moral Failure

David Petraeus;logical first choice for a potential commander in chief, very good mccain. obama chose his grandma and michelle did someone say mccain was pandering to women? very funny.

This is what I took away from McCain’s blustering performance tonight. More war, more tax breaks for the rich, with a little hope thrown in as a sop to the poor.

McCain showed his lack of depth and failure to grasp the complex issues facing his nation. He never once expanded on his views and continued to thump his war drum, his oil drum, and his empty headed belief that business should run the government. Of course those who lack the intellectual capabilities to probe any further than one liners and fail to understand the intricacies of a position will say he did well. Unfortunately, these are the majority in this country and will likely vote for him.
Obama refuses to be dumbed down because he refuses to believe that we are stupid enough to vote for more of the same failed policies and that we are capable of grasping the truth. In this regard I think he is being naive and should sloganeer, pander, lie and slime like McCain does. Too bad his morals get in the way.

Gen. David Petraeus, “one of great military leaders in American history who took us from defeat to victory in Iraq”
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McCain is still in self denial. We have achieved nothing like victory in Iraq and there is no way to do so. While we cannot be defeated, we also cannot be victorious. Why? Because we invaded a Muslim country for no good reason. Plus, the American people do not support the war. The reasons are many. This is the major flaw in McCain’s character. He does not know what victory is.

Oh I am so glad there are people out there that see McCain for what he is. I was afraid that I was the only one out here that wants a thinker for a Pres., not some knee jerk one liner who thinks the American public expects instant gratification for the worlds problems. We now have a President who believes he is the American crusader for Christianity, and McCain is right along side of him hold the gun! God forgive us if McCain is elected. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on ME!

Obama dodges an abortion question saying it’s above his “pay grade”.
Wow, Obama afriad to answer a question and views everything through how much money someone makes.

I thought this was one of McCAin’s weakest points. I thought Obama was good on this question, first of all looking for personal support from his family, then saying politically, he wanted to hear from as many people as possible, with different points of view. McCain throw out the nakes of people who fall into his political arguments and entourage.
[I think at some point Democrats are going to need to take McCain on on the surge. The surge was sold to Americans as the way to get American soldiers out of Iraq more quickly. McCain seems to be using it as an argument to keep American soldiers in Iraq.]
And on the American’s greatest moral failing question, I thought Obama gave the best answer of the evening, and McCain equivocated. ‘America’s worst failing is something we do better than every other country’ is a chest beating flag waving answer, not a moment of personal thought and introspection.

OBama without his teleprompter just fumbled and the paid liberal bloggers excuse it as “being thoughtful.”
Obama thinks Michelle is the wisest person from whom he will seek Presidential leadership adavice?
Where have we heard “two for One” before?
Obama shoould agree to non-moderated Town Hall debates with McCain so we can get a better understanding of how both men compare without distortion and bias of the highly edited pinko media.
McCain won hands down.

Anyone with half a brain knows that McCain won tonight; so much so that the panels on CNN and MSNBC and even David Gergen were forced to admit it was McCain’s night.
Unfortunately, the Obama-crazed fringe who post here are so surly they can’t admit the truth, namely, that their candidate is sorely lacking. Obama is lacking the credentials, experience, and knowledge necessary for POTUS.
Obama is not ready nor is he worthy; his hubris has overpowered his judgement. He should have waited. He
is out of his league and should have worked in the Senate and garnered the necessary experience and knowledge before running.
I blame Brazile, Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, and Pelosi for this debacle. This was to be the Dems year and our chance for universal health-care, but they threw caution to the winds and crowned an unvetted, inexperienced candidate with questionable associates. I also blame the MSM and its corporate elite that have marketed Obama 24/7 in much the same way they did Bush.
The American people will speak loudly this election. McCain will win big against Obama, and he will be our next president. Country over party; character
over fluff.
God bless America, and save us from the political-hacks and “citizens of the world” that want to enslave our freedom-loving people!

The greatest failing of either man will be to believe he has the best answer. He will fall short. To be sure that the right action is taken you must be prepared to look the the US Constitution, The Federalist Papers, and understand the core of your Parties values and policies found in their respective platforms. Then ask GOD, but once you have this in your hand and heart … you must act. This will not come from a teleprompter, if it does, you will have lost.
Michelle was caught up in the emotions of politics when she made her statement about how proud she was of this Country finally after all these years. Cindy was caught up in the emotion of her heart when she brought home a child as her own without considering how John would react. But this Nation should be proud to know how John responded when he was told! I am sadden when I think how Barack responded to the questions asked of Michelle and her thinking. He wanted her off-limits … as a christian and married we can never separate the one from the other. It is a reality of the two becoming one flesh, let no man put asunder that which GOD has put together. Sorry Barack … Michelle has to account for, of what and why she is!
Experience is not an immediate accomplishment. It is honed and earned each day and then brought into play. We see this everyday. You can not buy wise; you do need to know this first and foremost. There are many questions and just as many ways to answer it. This is why a wiseman has many advisers and expect none to need to answer for his decisions. Before GOD, family, and country; a leader must expect to be held accountable. Barack is not there and John McCain has many years into this point of light. John has paid a price in getting there. Barack will do well to learn from his role model, John F. Kennedy, and let time age his prospective for what it takes to lead this Nation in a time that is so … prophetic, revealing, destructive,… so human!

McCain is a demagogue. He keeps repeating phrases that he believes resonate with his audience, often without actually answering the question that was put to him. It makes little difference whether any of the facts back his statements. His responses included lengthy references to his “heroic” incarceration during the Vietnam war. We need a president who exhibits judgement, not one who caters to the lowest aspirations of false patriotism. I found his responses to questions characteristically mediocre and nonsensical.

BRinChicago,
“Anyone with half a brain knows that McCain won tonight; so much so that the panels on CNN and MSNBC and even David Gergen were forced to admit it was McCain’s night.”
You’re kidding, right? Hillary Clinton won all the debates, too. Your point? The media has already shown us they collectively have poor judgement and that they are out of touch with the American public.
Obama 08!

Obama said that he took drugs and drank because he was more interested in himself at the conference— but are we seeing more of this self-importance.
The Obama campaign is soliciting “soft money” from labor unions for contributions up to $1 million and he will give them stadium skyboxes to watch his acceptance speech and other perks. Obama needs big bucks now so he can perform a “show” at the convention using the teleprompters.

Frank Lynch:
Thats plum amazing analysis, however Obama got a point jump ahead of McCain in the Gallop poll after the show FYI, nice try no cigar.

Sen. Obama was VERY thoughtful in his answers. That’s because his answers came from his head–thinking about what was the most politically advantageous answers to give. Sen. McCain, on the other hand, answered from his heart and didn’t have to orate while coming up with answers.

After now watching reruns of both candidates answers I am really leaning toward McCain.
Obama ‘sanswers to the questions posed were thoughtful and at times almost too religious for me. Saying I know god died for my sins…just made me grimace.
Not mentioning one nod to Osama bin Laden bothered me, and Mc Cain whether this was pandering seemed to be in sync with most americans/new yorkers on his capture and on the spiel GWB gave after 9/11.
Obama using above my payscale in his answer on when life begins was a little flip of an answer to a question which many wanted a direct answer .
I think the way the Obama campaign is being handled has a “star” quality that is contrary to what most americans equate with the highest office in the land.
When one gets emails from his campaign saying they have a chance to a back stage pass, when we see a “so called” presidential seal being flaunted, when we read how his campaign is wooing American designers to create “fab tees” for Obama 08, to me it has become too extreme.
And it does reek of self centeredness, he has to approve what his camp is doing.
I just don’t know about him but the more I read and watch, it is not making me feel very comfortable.
When you couple the above with his naming Michele and his GM as the wisest and Michele as who he would turn to for an honest answer that does not resonate to most Americans, If Hillary Clinton was asked the same question and gave Bill as the answer we would at least know he was wise, Michele has yet to be proven although she is smart not sure sure is wise, let alone the wisest.
His links to his trusted spiritual advisor and the other figures in his past, makes one uneasy.
If anymore controversy hits(if our MSM will report it instead of holding back on doing theri jobs, like the Edwards scenario) then I sadly think we will see Mc Cain win, and that may not be such a bad thing.
No matter life goes on and we can only hope for the best.
I read a very funny piece on the ads that thomas Jefferson had when he was running for the POTUS and it appears not much has changed over the years. He had someone not affiliated with his camp write horrific things about the sitting Pres. J Q Adams and this fellow was even put in prison for doing this. When Jeff won he released him.

“Why is that the press go after Edwards for cheating on his wife, but nothing is ever said about McCain”
duh, maybe because Edward based his campaign on moral superiority, his wife has cancer, the truth only came out a week ago, McCain’s incident happened 25 years ago, and spending years being tortured in a prison camp might have an influence one’s actions post-release?
Just some thoughts.

You can tell by watching the debate that McCain is clearly a more powerful communicator than the stammering Obama with his Ugh. Obama may have done some damage to some of his brain during his teen years, as he told us, for selfish reasons. It’s also clear that he’s still a very selfish person today.

“we’re pretty much guaranteed to be at war in more than just Iraq and Afghanistan if he gets elected”
thank goodness liberals don’t try to scare us.

war
what is it good for
absolutely noting
say it again
- Edwin Starr

The best that Obamanation can do is call McCain a liar? Please. Obama opens his mouth and he “nuances” and “parses” so that no matter what he says no one can pin anything on him. It is called “lawyer-speak.” That is why Obama underperformed last night. How about if Obama takes one position, states it clearly and succinctly, and sticks to it?
McCain came out the winner. McCain was energized, positive, and spoke with conviction. Whether you agree with McCain or not, at least you know where he stands. And that is why McCain is preferred over Obama by huge margins in the category of experience and values, whereas Obama skyrockets in the “risky choice” category. One just does not know who this character really is once one looks and listens past his “inspiring” rhetoric.

All of these Pro Mac comments re: his “stellar” Saddleback performance are truly overrated and most importantly inaccurate after Rick Sanchez’s interview with Warren on CNN on Sun., 8/18. Mac was “on” because he listened to 30 minutes of the questions Rick Warren posed to Obama. Cone of silence– there wasn’t ANY
Speaking of religious values, let’s start with honesty. “I was trying to listen through the wall”– what bunch of crap!

I as a Navyman DID vote for Obama but now question some of his actions, however, I find this anti-Obama attitude a bit reprehensible. President Bush II initiated the 2nd Iraqi War then later admitted that his actions were based on false intelligence. If our present leader had done such a thing, he would be forced out of the Whitehouse. The level of animosity directed at Obama is scary. I have never seen this level of bitterness directed at any president regardless of thier level of competence or……incompetence..but then they were all white……Our Republican leaders have stumped most of President Obama’s attempts to govern and then blamed him for much of the countrys problems. Yes I am saying it…..this countrys level of tolerance for people of color is still very limited. As in all other areas of American society, non-whites, especially blacks, must perform twice as good as their white counterparts to begin to be accepted. President Bush had EIGHT years to “get it right” yet left America in one hell of a mess…yet we expected President Obama to “fix it” in under two years…..its idiotic to expect so much from anyone in so short a period of time. The rest of the world is watching and laughing at a country that CLAIMS to have tolerance and justice for all but instead holds two different standards for performance in society based on race.