McCain Camp Embraces Biden’s Experience

Wait till McCain choses Romney as his running mate. The ads will be endless. McCain calling Romney a liberal. Romney calling McCain a liberal. Romney criticizing McCain on economics and having no vision for America. Oh man.I will sit back and laugh.

McSame has to understand that Biden is not McSame, but a honorable man who has carried Amercia’s interest in his mind and his heart for more than 3 decades. This is no time to divide and rule. McSames has another kind of experience (corruption with K5) and McSame is out of touch. He does not know how many houses he has from East Coast to West Coast.

I will sit back and laugh as well when McCain runs ads in Biden’s own voice saying that BO is inexperienced, praising McCain – the list goes on! That is what I like about Biden – he says what he thinks! BO’s pick only enforces that America needs an experienced Washington Politician.
Yes, Mc Can!

I am nearing retirement age and I graduated from high school the same year Biden entered the Senate. Change we can believe in.

Obama the candidate of CHANGE chooses a Nixon Washington establishment candidate. Biden has been in Washington longer than McCain. And Obama wants us to belive Washington didn’t change Biden, Biden brought change to Washington. Wow that’s a Gem.

Do you remember Wilbur Mills? Biden does.

Biden just makes Obama look as grossly under-qualified as he really is.
Democrat for McCain

This sucks, I was hoping for an Obama/Rezko ticket.
I love corruption, well I guess Obama is corrupt enough for he and Biden.

I’m just floored that anyone can still trust Obama after he has changed almost every position that he supposedly stood for during the primaries.
What happened to Obama accusing every other politician of being a part of the “same old politics”? Biden is exactly the kind of person that Obama has scared Americans into thinking was wrong for the country.
I will never vote for Obama the Arrogant! Dem 4 McCain!

Erin,
You are right—Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. He shouldn’t have tried to become president just because he is a celebrity with groupies. Why would someone so grossly under-qualified run for president. Obama is disgustingly arrogant and many Democrats can’t stand the site of him. He should have earned the job first.

MOst liberal Senator 2007
Obama #1
Biden #3
D’oh!

“Ladies and gentlemen, your kitchen table is like mine. You sit there at night before you put the kids — after you put the kids to bed and you talk, you talk about what you need. You talk about how much you are worried about being able to pay the bills. Well, ladies and gentlemen, that’s not a worry John McCain has to worry about. It’s a pretty hard experience. He’ll have to figure out which of the seven kitchen tables to sit at” Biden
Brilliant.

Hopefully at this juncture in the history of American politics, we can all vow to distance ourselves from the ignornant confines of the “flipflop” or at least define it to remove its cliche status.
We all change our minds. If there is new information that we receive and after careful deliberation we find our belief on an issue has changed, we should feel comfortable stating our new belief publically.
Our social conciousness has to evolve in order to bring about a better day. I want my leader to return to the drawing board as many times as he needs to get it right for our sakes. Life is a works in progress.

If Romney is McGoo’s running mate I wonder how many kitchen tables that would be.

Personally I think this is a disastrous choice for several reasons – it erases Obama’s claim to “new politics” as Biden is as partisan as they come, is fully entrenched in politics for decades, SUPPORTED the war and the surge, and, generally, is a gaffe machine.
The strategy is clear though: Obama’s going to continue his politics of schizophrenia. He’ll say, I have Joe Biden to help bolster my foreign policy. But when people point out negative things of Biden, he’ll say – it’s good to have people you don’t agree wtih around, and keep in mind I’m the Presidential candidate not Biden.
Truly a poor choice.

When Biden goes up against the Mittster in the VP debate, it’s going be painful to watch.

pt….newsflash….Condi was in Iraq last week and there are already plans to start bringing home troops next June and most out by 2011. Voters don’t care about the war as much as you do, in the polls it was 7th down, in line of importance.

No matter what you think or say about McCain…Obama is worse. He never served his country and in his first term as senator he funneled money directly to his wife’s employer where she got a nice fat raise. Change!!??
Sounds like business as usual in D.C.
Obama is a loser and Biden won’t change that!

Debra,
Amazing isn’t it. Obama said that we need to talk to them, bush balked but then took his advice. Obama said we should have a “time-line”, then the bushies said we have a “time-horizon”. Amazing when you have a real leader giving advice to the “Worst-Pres. & WORST VP” ever. 01-20-09 “The END of an ERROR”

Things are not as bad as some people would like to make them out to be. If they were then we would be asking for real change in Washington. (Not Obama’s B.S. either) Instead, we bicker over nonsense. When you have to watch your children go hungry (like my granmother did during the great depression), then you will have something to “whine” about!Until then, be more thankful and shut your cry baby mouths!

Every senator has a story about mc-more-war’s temper tantrums. Here are a few quotes from his own party:
Former New Hampshire Republican Senator Robert Smith publicly voiced his concerns, once saying McCain’s temper ‘ … would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger’.
That sentiment was echoed by Mississippi Republican Senator Thad Cochran, who told a Boston newspaper: ‘The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.’
mc-more-war needs to retire with his millionaire wife, the one he cheated with while married to his first wife after she was in a car wreck. What a JERK.

OBAMA’S EXPERIENCE PROBLEM CAN’T BE FIXED WITH SOMEONE ELSES EXPERIENCE…..
No one votes for VP….only Prez candidates matter, after last weeks forum, McCain tied with Bozo in the polls.

Condi Rice is tied at the hip with Bush, lied about the war and is pro choice….Good luck with that one!!!!

I’m from Ohio & absolutely no one I know will vote Obama, that includes the Dem’s too. Ohio will put McCain in the WhiteHouse. Everyone I know voted Hillary in the Prime. The DNC Blew it again!

Hmmmmm……….did I get this right? at 3 AM Obama sends out his text message to his supporters first? But It was 12 midnite that I had heard on CNN Biden was his choice? so Obama again lies, or Flip Flops? No Change there!

“Perhaps a similar idea crossed Obama’s mind when picked Biden.”
Picked by the DNC.

I think McCain needs the ex-Governor of PA, Tom Ridge, as his VP candidate. He was a two term Governor of PA and good on the economy, an ex-Vietnam vet , did six terms as a Congressman in PA (in fact he never lost an election in PA) , has a strong working class background and worked in construction to put himself through college. He was Colin Powell’s personal choice to be Secretary of Defense but the neo-cons thought he was too much of a “peacenik” and Cheney won that one and got Rumsfeld in. He was the first Director of Homeland Security and and ended up resigning because the Bush administration was making him do
unjustified terror alerts for reasons like Kerry happened to be doing his acceptance speech that night. He left in a huff like Powell did. Yes, he’s pro-choice but McCain can’t afford to give PA away. The Republican base wouldn’t be happy with the choice of Ridge but it would reinforce McCain’s independent and maverick image. I’m from MN and no way should McCain put Pawlenty on the ticket and have him go up against Biden. I have to admit I would love to see Lieberman and Biden have to debate one another, now that would be interesting and like nothing we’ve ever seen before.

alpaig, the only problem with Ridge is that he will lose the conservative base because he is prochoice. McCain needs them. And Lieberman would be a problem too. I think his only choice might be Romney.

Once again, I am sick and tired of Hillary supporters that are willing to vote for Sen. McCain because she lost to Sen. Obama. This is a question for Hillary supporters (Debra, Geevil, Al, Sonia Trevino) that are voting for Sen. McCain. Hillary and Obama have the same policies (90%) and McCain policies are 90 to 95% opposite of Hillary why would you want to vote for McCain when his policies are different from Hillary policies? Please do not say Obama is a fake, please give concrete answer. If you do not have any answer, please do us (true Democrats) a favor, Please SHUT UP!!!!! I am starting to believe that most of you on this blog are truly Republicans.

al a vote for McCainactually is a vote for Hillary losing her senate seat actually…
that’s not a threat go look at her numbers duh.
she didn’t win by a big enough margin in her senate race to take the hit of some of her stupidest supporters typing what you are typing which would ultimately and rightfully be blamed for a loss.
If obama loses than so does hillary…
and she would never be able to run again…
and again that is not a threat….
go look at her numbers…duh.
you are not only hurting women in general with your blather…you are hurting Hillary.
and maybe if you can step out of your being so selfishly emotional…
you would see clearly and maturely (sorry if it sounds condescending but you need to look at reality)
Hillary knows this… if she wants a career…Obama has to win.
and I would like to see her not be lost from the senate…
but if she did you better believe Caroline Kennedy has her eyes on running…and if New Yorkerds get wind that Kennedy is planning to either move to MA and run for her uncle’s seat or stay in NY if Hillary loses hers…
it will probably make it that much easier for them.
so please stop we need as many women (and I am a guy) in the Senate as we can…so next time the pool is bigger.

There is no way Congress has any intention of passing Universal Health Care in the next four years – we can’t afford it. So that issue might as well be just taken off the table when making a decision about whom to vote for. On foreign policy, Obama stood on a podium in Berlin and asked our European allies to support us in our continuation of waging George W’s war on terror in Afghanistan. Where is the change in that ? We will take our troops and divert them to Afghanistan. That’s not new thinking rather that’s just a continuation of Bush’s policies on the parts of both Obama and McCain. There are terrorist cells in England and we don’t go and invade their Country. The threat of terrorism is real and everyone would welcome the capture of Bin Laden and having him brought to justice but the strategy George W came up with to fight terrorism in both Iraq and Afghanistan is remiss. We never for one minute invaded Iraq because of WMD’s, Bin Laden or evil Hussein it was clearly about protecting our national interests, oil. Bush implemented a strategy and failed, in attempting to stabilize that region and attempting to give a strong to message to Countries such as Iran. It ended up accomplishing exactly the opposite.
The war on terror is a farce and both candidates intend to continue on with it. I do give McCain credit though in that at one townhall he stood there and said that we need to deal with our foreign oil dependency once and for all so we never have to send our young men/women over to the Middle East ever again because of oil. He actually mentioned the pink elephant in the living room we all see but never speak of. Of course the next day the press was all over him and he backed off and went back to we were there for the war on terror. I’ve never even heard Obama have the guts so say that, he always sticks with the war on terror. McCain knew what he was saying the first time, he was being McCain of 2000 and the question is which McCain will govern? Statements like that and his admiration for Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican who took a sharp turn to the left once he got into office gives me some hope the McCain of 2000 still exists.

Many Democrats seem to be under the mistaken impression that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were interchangeable candidates except for their skin color and their gender. Hillary and Obama had very different policies on national security — Hillary promised a military response if Iran used nuclear weapons against Israel while Obama promised talk. John McCain is closer to Hillary on national security than Barack Obama. After all, he is only promising to win the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. He hasn’t promised to send US troops to aid in Darfur (and to get into an international fight with China over oil). Obama and Hillary also had very different tax policies. Yes, they both said they would raise the capital gains tax. Hillary planned to raise the tax to raise revenue for government programs. Obama plans to raise taxes — like the capital gains tax — to achieve a “fair” tax code even if it will not raise additional revenue for the government and even if it will hurt the economy. [You can go back and listen to the ABC debate and hear his exact words on the subject matter.]

I think a real smart move by McCain would be to have Gov Palin of Alaska as his VP. She’d help pick up a chunk of the Hillary vote plus Biden, the attack dog, would be neutralized. he couldn’t get overly aggressive with her without coming off to the nation as a jerk. She, on the other hand, could take pot shots at his flip-flops on BHO, on his plagiarizing etc. It’s a win -win.

Biden has been making a 6-figure income for over 30 years with his Washington DC career and his net worth is around $150.000.00? He is obviously a moron on economics.
Hopey/Dopey 08

I am a supporter of Universal Health Care, which will not pass Congress these next four years because we can’t afford it, but I do have to agree that McCain had a point when he questioned whether we really want Government to run our health care? We have basically bankrupted Medicare, Social Security is in jeapordy and we keep borrowing from it for various other ventures , we spend money we don’t have and are trillions of dollars in debt (and that didn’t even include the Iraq War until recently because the war was not represented in the budget). I believe everyone should have access to health care (including mental and chemical health) and dental care but the degree that this Country has run some of it’s entitlement programs down to the ground
such as Social Security, does make one ponder that question.

The conservative base has too many restrictions on McCain’s choice of VP. He will lose votes for choosing Lieberman, a jewish liberal, and he will lose votes if he picks Romney because he’s mormon.

Gov. Palin is a terrific in debates. She could hold her own against Biden.

Everyone should have free healthcare…
and while we are at it let’s have free gasoline and free food! In fact, let’s all draw a check from the government and nobody will have to work anymore. You liberals make me laugh! As a working American who served in the US Navy I am disgusted with the left wing quacks!

It is being reported that McCain is seriously considering Colin Powell as his VP. The neo-cons wouldn’t like that choice and neither would the far left, but so be it. I think it would pull many of the independents over.
Personally though, I think it’s a pipe dream on McCain’s part because I don’t think Powell has any interest in a VP position with anyone. There was also buzz a couple weeks ago that Powell was being considered by Obama and that Powell intended to endorse Obama. Powell and McCain are good friends and Powell has contributed to McCain’s campaign. It was rumored though that while Obama has sought input from Powell
(which supposedly has impressed Powell)
that Powell has felt that McCain has
somewhat snubbed him in that capacity
since winning the nomination. It’s
obvious though that both Obama and McCain would welcome an endorsement from Powell.

alpaig52, it’s interesting that you mention the draft. I read the Democratic Party Platform and it says they plan to expand the military. There was an effort to insert language reinstituting the draft — because the military is made up of a disproportionate amount of minorities –which ultimately was abandoned (I think it had 60% support, though, but not sure on the exact percentage.)

Powell said that he would not run for President because his wife suffers from depression and that the media attention would worsen her condition. I doubt that he would consider a VP spot either for the same reason, especially given how the Democrats are attacking Cindy McCain’s wealth and the Republicans are attacking Michelle’s “proud” and “mean” statements.

Jim (“Do you really want a President who looks like he plays shuffleboard at the neighborhood senior citizen center?”),
Ageism is a way of looking at older people that stereotypes them, just as people of particular races are stereotyped as being smart, industrious, thrifty, lazy, or easy going, or when men and women are stereotyped as being strong, nurturing or sensitive because of their gender. Ageism is also part of attitudes where people believe that older adults can be treated in demeaning ways. Many people note that as they grow older and as they reach certain age milestones, (age 65 being one of them), others begin to treat them differently. In many cases, being treated differently means being treated as less—less valued, less capable etc. Or they are stereotyped. That is ageism. Ageism is also reflected when younger persons implicitly or explicitly act as if they are more entitled than older adults are. Negative attitudes towards older persons stem from myths about aging, the aging process, and being old. Ageism and discrimination are closely linked. Ageism is the negative attitude, discrimination is the negative behavior. Ageism, like racism and sexism, is a form of prejudice. How do we get past ageism? Recognize the myths about aging and negative attitudes about older adults. Start challenging the myths. Challenge the language. Among the many erroneous beliefs in our society is that older adults’ lives are less valuable and older adults are less deserving of having their rights respected. Speak up about ageism. The more ageism and age discrimination remain hidden, the more people believe it is acceptable to act this way.

This is starting to remind me of one of my all-time favorite movies – Titanic.

How much of insurance company “overhead” is paid to the government in the form of taxes? I suspect most HMOs are corporations so about 35% of their net profits. If we wanted to lower the cost of healthcare, why not eliminate the corporate income tax for healthcare providers if they meet certain defined criteria (such as providing free services of a certain quality to a certain population over a certian time period). I am not saying that is the best plan but there are alot of ways to approach universal healthcare without using a single payer system.

Enoughalready One of the reasons McCain has cited for opposing a draft is that there was a disproportionate amount of young men of color and poor and working class kids who ended up serving in VietNam while the wealthy were able to avoid the draft and he does not want to see that happen again.
He also believes the quality of the military is higher with a volunteer army. Now McCain would certainly like to see many/most volunteer for the armed services but he also places as much value in our young people volunteering for things like the Peace Corps or anything that is of service to the Country. Both McCain and now Biden have sons who will/have served in Iraq.
That’s a rarity among politician’s kids. There is no doubt our armed services is overextended and will continue to be so. It is not a good situation for those serving and has increased our vulnerability as a Nation in regards to National Security. I have no idea what the Dems are proposing but the only one I know who actually tried to put through a bill implementing a draft was a Democrat. Personally, I have no doubt that had there been a draft that the war in Iraq would not have been waged and had it been it wouldv’e been over by now. Does anyone believe for one second that Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld would have problems with a draft? They have never even come close to proposing such despite the fact we have our military making 3-4 rotations back and forth from Iraq. They learned from Vietnam.
With a volunteer armed services the rest of this Country remains somewhat detached from this war. If everyone in this Country had to sacrifice their child/ren to serve in this war we would have had or would see protests comparable ,if not more extensive then, the one’s we saw over VietNam. It would be a public relations nightmare and don’t doubt that this administration didn’t take such into account. They had to sell this war to the American people to some degree and you’d have to do alot more selling if there was mandate that every man/woman had to enlist.

This is taken directly from the Democratic Party Platform draft –
“40 Expand the Armed Forces
41 We support plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 troops and the Marines by
42 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly
43 between deployments and decrease the strain on military families.
44
45 Recruit and Retain
DRAFT – 08/07/08
29
1 A nation of 300 million people should not struggle to find additional qualified personnel
2 to serve. Recruiting and retention problems have been swept under the rug, including by
3 applying inconsistent standards and using the “Stop Loss” program to keep our
4 servicemen and women in the force after their enlistment has expired. We will reach out
5 to youth, as well as to the parents, teachers, coaches, and community and religious
6 leaders who influence them and make it an imperative to restore the ethic of public
7 service, whether it be serving their local communities in such roles as teachers or first
8 responders, or serving in the military and reserve forces or diplomatic corps that keep our
9 nation free and safe.”

Biden not only has his experience but that of all those who he has plagarised.

EnoughAlready, thanks for pointing out my mistake, its administrative costs that are 40% of insurance company expenses. So that is seperate from taxes.
By the way in an average year, 2/3 of US and foreign companies operating in the US pay no corporate taxes. Their effective tax rate is 0% not 35%.

Enough Already Their position doesn’t seem to be at all different from what I’ve heard McCain say verbally in regards to a draft. I didn’t see anything in that platform proposal though that indicated they were advocating a mandatory draft.
Since retainment is an issue I don’t understand why that wasn’t more of an issue when putting through Webb’s GI Bill.

The United States spends six times more per capita on the administration of the health care system than its peer Western European nations.
-McKinsey Global Institute. Accounting for the Cost in the United States. January 2007

The proposal to reinstate the draft was left out of the platform. That is the language that was included. The reason I posted it is because Obama is seen as the peace candidate and McCain as the war candidate when that is not true. It might take me a few minutes to find the proposal that wasn’t included but I will post it as soon as I do.

Took me a minute — this was voted on but did not make it into the platform
7. Prevention of Unjust and Foolish Wars
The Democratic Party opposes all unjust and foolish wars. The key to preventing unjust and foolish wars is an informed electorate with a vested interest in the nation’s military policies who will hold Congress accountable. Relying on a volunteer military constituted of paid soldiers and contractors insulates the vast majority of Americans from the dangers and consequences of our nation’s military actions. The Democratic Party opposes any disproportionate impact such military composition has on individuals, families, and communities based on race, economic status, economic opportunity, or educational level.
Barack Obama has inspired young people everywhere to support him. The Democratic Party believes that these young people are the key to stopping unjust and foolish wars. Therefore, the Democratic Party supports the reinstatement of the draft as proposed by Congressman Charlie Rangel of New York.
AGREE 1776; 60.4% / DISAGREE 1162; 39.5%

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
January 11, 2007
CONGRESSMAN RANGEL INTRODUCES NEW BILL TO REINSTATE THE MILITARY DRAFT
Legislation Would Require National Service for All U.S. Residents, Including Mandatory Military Service for Some During Wartime
WASHINGTON – I have reintroduced my bill to reinstate the draft, not because I support the war in Iraq or the President’s plan to escalate the conflict. The reason is my belief that if Americans are to be placed in harm’s way, all of us, from every income group and position in society, must share the burden of war.

Great… Biden, another lawyer. That’s what we need more of in Washington, another lawyer.
Is he going to take up half the DNC convention with some rolling monologue that meanders here and there but goes nowhere, or will the Obama people turn him into a parrot “yes, we can… yes, we can! (squawk)… yes, we can, Biden want a cracker!”
If this is to shore up his 3am phone call creds, there’s a problem. The big miscalculation is that McCain can defer economic questions to policy experts, the treasury department, the Fed (as most presidents do)… Obama on the other hand can’t just turn over the Commander in Chief job to Biden.

This announcement of Biden was every bit as exciting as the announcement that Al Gore finally decided to give Barack Obama his endorsement; Golly Gee!!
But, hey, I wasn’t going to vote for him even if Hillary was the VP pick..

Peach wrote:
“Why do you think wealthy citizens of other countries regularly travel to the US for serious health care issues?”
Because the US health care system is set up to address the issues of the wealthy. If I was wealthy I could also get that same health care.
Under McCain thew wealthy would get the tax break and the Health Care. I on the other hand would subsidies that health care for the wealthy, but not be able utilize it.

Gracie – great post. Until yesterday I had not realized that Biden had committed plagiarism more than once. It seems to be a nasty habit of his.
And for those posters who think McCain is the warmonger, Biden wanted American boots on the ground in the Balkans.

Thinking -
Both the Pentagon and all branches of the military have addressed the matter of the draft. Entire books have been written about the subject and clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.
The Pentagon much prefers a voluntary military because they get a higher educated and committed fighting force. Draft military men are less committed and less educated.

Thinking -
Sid Francis, an African American and former Marine intelligence officer said of Rangel and his draft legislation:
“This is vintage Charlie Rangel. He’s adept at distortion and his proposed draft bill isn’t meant to improve the military but to create a Vietnam-era military of draftees. Anyone who knows anything about the military knows that conscriptions brings about negative results.”

Thinking -
This draft legislation you think should be passed — Charlie Rangel has brought it up twice and it was defeated each time. The first time Rangel submitted the legislation, even HE voted against it. LOL

Thinking – Apparently you’re unaware that more Congressional Republicans have kids or family serving in the military than Democrats.
But keep up those DNC talking points.

One has to wonder how it is Obama will feel about lobbyists now that Biden is on his ticket. Biden is in the pocket of credit card companies. And lawyers adore him and have contributed heavily as well.

Thinking -
You might wish to quit while you’re behind. Apparently you are quite unaware just who started the Vietnam war.

Biden has publicly said he would be honored to either serve with McCain on a presidential ticket or run against him. LOL

Thinking — oh, so now advise and train is the same as fight. Got it. I keep forgetting those DNC talking points.

Yes it is the same thing it is where it all starts, it is where the commttment begins. At the time, I was 11 years old or so there was some books by a Dr Tom Dooly ( Dooley?) he was a dr. in the Navy, I read those books, they were filled with touching stories about atrocities that the north was visiting upon the South, and was used by the Government as propaganda to continue the support for the south. 8 years latter I was there, after 3 of my brothers had served there.
I have never read those books as adult to see how slanted those views may have been.
Clearly our involvement and commitment was made then, and the war was escalated from there.

Llama – As you said:
The John McCain of today is NOTHING like the JMC of yestarday. I don’t even know who this guy is. I used to think I could vote for him, now I don’t want him anywhere near the White House.
Sort of like how Obama has change, eh? First he was going to pull troops out immediately, then he’d wait, then he’d pull them out within 180 days of his presidency, etc. Who knows what Obama stands for? Obama doesn’t even know.

Thinking -
Because you served in Vietnam, I think you may enjoy this book:
Stolen Valor : How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of Its Heroes and Its History
If you haven’t heard of the book, you might want to go to Amazon and read the book reviews by both professionals and readers. I bought the book for my brother a few years ago and read it first (naturally!).

So Biden now thinks Obama is a wise leader?
Just a few months ago he said Obama was not ready to be president.
What made Obama so wise?
If he was wise then why make that rediculous self-serving Berlin speech? Would a wise man choose Rev Wright as his mentor for 20 years? Would a wise man take a sweetheart real-estate deal from a crook?
There’s nothing wise about Obama.

Do you all forget what we were told about John McCain by the members of his own party during the 2000 election?
Tom Delay, Karl Rove, G.W. Bush, all these guys all told us John McCain was not fit for the job of President, shouldn’t we listen to what they said as much as what Biden said about Obama?