McCain Hits Obama on Energy with Gag Gift

That’s just dumb.
I take Obama’s hard hitting ad any day over McCain’s school yard antics.

Obama’s new ad is tough and the GOP knows it or else they wouldn’t be doing this junior high taunts.
McCain=Bush=Big Oil
Can’t get much uglier than that.
Good job Obama and Happy Birthday!!

Max: At least Obama is making hard choices, he just is not out there making false promises like McCain. We all know McCain is only for himself. He has more than proved that the last 8 years. Wake up.

Weak.
Naive.
Vague.
Arrogant.
Confused.
Dishonest.
Incompetent.
Inexperienced.
Will raise taxes.
Married to Michelle.
Will punish success.
Will expand government.
Will weaken national security.
No record of bipartisianship. Ever.
Longtime supporter of hard-left hate.
More popular in France than in America.
Clapping in Jeremiah’s pews for 20+ years.
Likes to play race games to paint himself a victim.
Loved by terrorists and dictators around the world.
Cancels visit with wounded soldiers to hang at Ritz Carlton.
Full of socialist ideas for change and ready to roll on day one.
Nobama ’08

This is funny the only funny here is McCain that is all he has to run with….This OLD man needs to re thgink his ads.They are stupid.

Obama copied Hillary Plan then McCain Plan and now he wants to copy Boone Pickens Plan.
Great Leadership Skills

It is sad to see this former maverick resorting to stupid tricks to make himself look good.
I guess he’d rather give money to the oil companies. This is what Bush did to stimulate new energy searches. We see how far that went.

Did anyone catch BHO speech in Michigan that just ended? This was a fairy tale bigger than any I have every read my children. This man is going to say anything to win.

I think you’re all right. McCain is acting like a baby. Come on let’s talk real stuff. I want to know what you’re going to do ti stimulate the economy, where are oil prices going, will I be able to keep my house, can I afford my groceris the next few weeks?

fact check – you consider this gag gift “some substance?”
Wow. I have no answer to that one.
But don’t get too confortable in your drilling position. Its been a few weeks since McCain flipped on that one. He’s due to flip back any day now.
Of course, when he does, we’ll just hear again how he doesn’t speak for the campaign.

Welfare or warfare. Those are the two choices. One who chooses to tax us for unrealistic entitlement programs, and the other who wants to borrow money for fighting ongoing stupid nation-building wars and facilitate a new one in Iran. Go 3rd party, and send a message to the crooks who have brought our nation to the point of economic disaster.

fact check – you may have missed the point a little. I’m happy enough with Obama, so there’s no “I wish we had Clinton” going on with me.
I’m not happy with McCain. No major party candidate for president should demean the office he seeks by campaigning like he is. You may not agree with that point, but wanted to be sure you understood it.

militarymom – Agreed. The only thing McCain has going is that he served heroically and his son is over there, but I dislike his militaristic approach to dealing with countries that have different philosophies. I would pull for Obama over McCain, although Ron Paul would have been my choice. Our finances are totally out of balance.

Obama: World’s biggest phony baloney!

Ben – though Ron Paul won’t be on the ballot, you do have a Libertarian candidate to choose, assuming Barr makes ballot access in your state.
I’d prefer having your vote for Obama, but then we’re into the lesser of evils thing. Maybe third party guys would have a shot if less people held their noses and voted for the major party candidate they dislike the least.

Regarding the budget, let’s look at what is feasible in the short term. Cutting spending means primarily one thing – cutting defense.
Defense is the lion’s share of discretionary spending. Doing anything else is just tinkering around the edges. And cutting defense spending means pursuing a foreign posture that allows us to reduce O&M (ops and maintenance) spending, as well as ammo procurement.
McCain isn’t going to do that. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, the budget for the next four years will most likely be bigger under the Republican nominee than under the Democrat.

“Obama’s Energy Plan”: New Engraved Tire Gauges!

Republicans to kick Obama’s tires from Political Punch reports that the RNC is handing out tire gauges to reporters and to attendees at an Obama event in Michigan. The gauges are engraved with Obama’s Energy Plan. McCain Hits Obama on

REPUB: so what you are saying is “Do not look at economy issues, just look at foreign policy, and war… Well lets see McCain voted for the war got us into this mess, voted against our soldiers and any bill that will help them now and after. So let me see…. yes, that means that Obama and his good judgment is what we need. Thank you.

Ben – I’m not sure the free market can fix the debt. Its rapidly reaching the point of threatening a currency collapse.
Maybe that’s the solution. We’ll allow the currency to devalue to being basically worthless, pay off the debt with the worthless dollars, and then roll-out a New Dollar; kind of like what Germany did once with its currency.
The only question is whether the country can survive something like that. Germany could because the Germans could live off their gardens for a couple years.

Dude…
There are a lot of bitter, angry people out there.
Why so much hate?
Yeah, things are lousy out there. but hate is unnecessary.
I intensely dislike the sophmoric behavior McCain’s campaign has taken since hiring Rove disciples, but I refuse to hate. If you plan on revenge, first dig two graves. if you plan on hate, build a small room for it in your heart, ’cause that’s where it will live.
It is a free country. Hate if you want to.
Frankly, McCain has been compelled to adopt Bush stances due to the Republican party’s high value on loyalty, and Bush’s disasters have left the right with little in the tank but bitterness, bile, and a never ending reserve of sophmoric cheap shots. I sort of feel bad for McCain – I’m from Arizona – and I used to respect him greatly. Now I just respect his past.
But I certainly wouldn’t store hate.
Oh. and that small room in your heart you make for hate? Remember it drows bigger every year until you tell it to move out or surrender to it.

I think the only thing any of us can do, those of us who are truly disgusted by both men, is to wait and see who they choose for Vice Presidential candidates. Sometimes the only way you can tell a person’s true personality is by the company they keep. The way I see it both candidates have one more chance to impress us or disgust us. So far disgust is all I feel for either one of them and the company they have chosen so far.

Obama’s suggestion to make sure your tires are fully inflated and your car is tuned up will certainly save you more money on gas than McCain’s idea of suspending the gas tax, which would only put pennies into your pockets.
But I have dealt with people like McCain before, can’t come up with an intelligent response so try to make fun and hope no one notices what a moron you actually are.

Cris – it really is a good point. Most people run around with underinflated tires. I’ve read that regularly checking tire pressure would get a lot of folks 5-10 percent better gas mileage.
Another point is to slow down, especially on the highway. Most cars are at peak efficiency somewhere between 55-60 mph. Over that, and wind resistence cuts down efficiency. I tried this myself with my Corolla – I used to drive to work at 70 mph or so, and have been going 60 mph for the past five tanks of gas. My mileage increased from 31.8 to 33.2 – nearly 5 percent better.
Also, don’t jackrabbit at lights, and consolidate errands as much as possible. And generally, pay attention and try to drive smarter. I’m always amazed when I see people rushing to get to a red light ahead.

GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER: “Politicians have been throwing around all kinds of ideas in response to the skyrocketing energy crisis and energy prices, from rethinking nuclear power to pushing biofuels and more renewables and ending the ban on offshore drilling and it goes on and on, the list. But anyone who tells you that this will bring down our gas prices immediately or anytime soon, is blowing smoke.[...]
Let’s not always wait for government. We have the power. The same is when it comes to cutting down on your fuel costs. Politicians, like I said, promise you that, that they will have a way and policies and laws that will cut down the fuel costs right now. It is wrong, it is bogus. Who can cut it down is you, you, you and you. You can cut it down. Take your car, for instance. Go and get the perfect tire pressure. Tune up your engine. Drive slower.”
Those crazy Democrats…uh…Republicans. I guess ‘conservative’ is a meaningless label if any kind of ‘conserving’ at all is the subject of mockery by the GOP.

joejoejoe – Republicans aren’t against conserving. They’re just against losing.
When you come down to it, they really don’t believe in anything at all, I don’t think. Take abortion – they last two Republican presidents have been pro-choice. But the party just closes its eyes, pretends otherwise, and focuses on the real agenda, which is winning power.
I’ll bet in the quiet moments when no one is watching, they have nothing against conservation at all… so long as it doesn’t impede achieving power.

fact check – careful… McCain also called for hybrids. Are you saying he also has no clue?

What’s interesting is the way McCain mocks Obama’s suggestion that people take matters into their own hands, to the degree they can.
Aren’t the Republicans the ones who (at least pretend to) believe in individual responsibility with less government hand-holding? Yet their nominee mocks his opponent’s advice to conserve fuel?
Ah, that’s right. Oil profits are at stake, and that trumps any discussion of principles.

Question: why do the candidates’ ads and speeches say what they do? Because candidates are human beings after all and therefore no different than all the people who have posted comments here. You can read the same rhetoric and ideas on these pages, which is after all what elections are about.
What does impress me to no end at this point in time is, that America seems to be very much inclined to elect a president who is NOT of the white race. Things have come a long way since the days of Martin Luther King. He would be proud of this country and rightfully so.

Beck…I believe the topic at hand is ENERGY…Please do not mis-interrupt my meaning. I am simply saying that if we are expecting the next candidate to bail us out of our present energy problems, DON’T COUNT ON IT. WE, the individual, need to focus on bailing ourselves out of our present situation based upon the free market economy. As far as foreign policy and geopolitical issues, we truly are at the mercy of our Congress, Senate and President: as well as the rest of the world. If you are turning your hopes on Obama so be it; however to be fair to McCain, I believe Obama was not included in the vote to go to war with Iraq and since I do not have a crystal ball, I cannot say with certainty that Obama would not have voted with a VERY LARGE PORTION on his democratic collegues. Senator Obama has said he plans to up troop levels in Afgan. though and since I have someone very close to me that has gone twice to that garden spot of the world, Iraq and Afgan. to me is not a whole lot of difference. Both are dangerous places that have some very bad people living there that need to be dealt with. And please do not thank me as I plan to vote Republican, so I guess we will just cancel each other out…

Fact Check.
Most hybrids produced on the first wave had a window sticker of 50-60 mpg
Under real independent tests they proved to be about 35 mpg.
I would take the 2 seater l1 in a heartbeat. 10 gallons of gas for $40.00
would drive me 2350 miles.
What a savings across the US on what $45.00-$50.00?
We need to stop looking where they point us and make informed choices and not look at what smokescreen is better.

mccain acts like a ten year old child—-do you think this is the way for a presidental candidate to act—–just think what it would cost us if he got in office—a senile olg geser acting like a child—wow the world would really respect that.maybe someone should send mccain a pacifier and a bundle of diapers—which he probably could use.—-what a halfwit—-let him wetstart your airplane.

This will blow up in their faces. There are numbers out there that state drilling off shore will produce an extra 200,000 barrels of oil a day, while inflating your tires and tuning your engine nation wide would save 800,000 barrels a day. Which energy plan is immediate? and which will take 5 years

Rodney – those were mostly diesel Volkswagons, I think. They used to make this pickup that had like zero tractive ability but was great for suburnites who needed a pickup bed. I wish it was still available.
I’m guessing one of the things we’ll see is a return to diesel as a transitory step, especially biodiesel, etc.

“tom
we had cars in the70s that got 40 to 50 mpg where are they now—–”
They were expendable whe gas was $0.65 a gallon.
But we all feel the $4.00
and it’s a big leap to 78 MPG or 235 mpg.
I know. Oil does not want them nor did government. every gallon out of the pump is another secondary tax drain on the wallet. Put a 235 MPG car out there
and you reduce expected gas revenue by
612% (235 mpg vs 33MPG)

Bob
thats exactly what I mean by novice. I heard on Sirus radio this mornign that Obama nor Mccain probably havent taken the car out to fill up with gas and used the debit card in years if ever the same with the grocery store so the lesser of two evils is still evil!

fact check
THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD MCCAIN SAY 45 NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS WAS TODAY—-OBAMA HAS SAID THIS FOR MONTHS

Obama’s campaign cites McCain people who agree with Obama about tire pressure savings:And while the McCain team is busy amusing themselves, the fact is that the idea they’re attacking is supported by, among others, top McCain surrogate Joe Lieberman, conference call host Mike Rogers, Governors Charlie Crist and Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Department of Energy, and NASCAR—all of whom have urged Americans to help save energy by minding tire pressure,” says spokesman Hari Sevugan in an email. “But hey, who ever let the facts—or supporters’ positions—get in the way of a political attack? Aboard the Low Road Express, that’s no problem at all.”

Paul -
Besides, signaling is not enough. There ought be substance, which your phony political Jesus has none.
There ought be an urgency. China and India are growing at > 10% per year, with China for the past 20 years. You experts had said it was impossible, unprecedented. Yup, unprecedented alright. In 20 years, China and India will consume more oil than the US, which uses more than 25% of world oil output. At 100 miles per gallon, it’s not going to resolve this small inconvenience of life.
Does you phony candi have a clue, any capacity to understand it?
You should have supported someone else in the primaries, and you would have not be in such a mess.

Obama or McCain
Both out of touch
both Rich
Both with Government benifits for life
Both without the guts to hit where it counts because it woudl cause havoc in major parties. Obama may not be as involved with Oil but I bet if we had a read disclosure.. I wonder how many of the senators and congressmen have Mahor oil holding in the portfolio (or family) over the past 8 years.
And my last comment. it was the economic preasures that caused the soviet union to fall. Those who do not learn by history….

Paul -
I do not know what Clinton supporters criticized 0bama on nuclear energy, but I do know 0bama was criticized for watering down a bill that regulates nuclear wastes. If that’s what you think what it was, it shows his change to his nuclear lobbists from his backyard.
If Clinton supporters do not support nuclear energy, they need be educated.

Paul,
Someone named Clinton, whose administration was accused of being the same as the GWBush administration by 0bama, proposed balancing the federal budget, spend as you pay, and then passed the legislation by 51-49 votes in the first year, which produced the unprecedented prosperity and time of peace in the history.

In reference to McCain’s question, is this ..”enough to break our dependence on foreign oil?”, here is some basic data that he NEVER mentions and therefore either doesn’t know or purposely leaves out.
It is estimated that the US has 2% of the worlds oil reserves; we produce 9% of the world’s oil production per year, and, we use 26% of the world’s oil production per year. In order to eliminate our reliance on foreign oil, we would have to eliminate the gap between production (9%) and use (26%). To do this through increased production would require increasing our annual production to TRIPLE what it is now. Is there someone out there naive enough to believe that this is possible through increasing off-shore drilling efforts? Have you ever heard Chevron, Mobile, or any other oil company state that this is true? If they have, did they make guarantees or statements about the results, e.g., the price per gallon of oil?
The obvious answer to reducing the gap is to cut use. That is where we need to start for several reasons. One is to save money (it’s cheaper to cut use than to increase production). Another is because we can start doing that and start getting results immediately. While we should be working on getting new resources for oil, it will take years to start getting it and there doesn’t seem to be an end to escalating world demand. Why is it people think we can just lower the price of oil without reducing demand? Oil companies and Middle Eastern countries, including our allies, are realizing windfall profits and are clearly not willing to give them up.
If we have made a mistake by taking a food-based bio-fuel strategy, we should accept it and change our approach. We do not have the luxury of being a cruise boat in a sailing race. It seems that, not only are food-based bio-fuels inefficient to make, but they result in higher food prices.
Many people believe that renewable energy sources are inefficient but if you use investors as a measure, it has been decades since the private sector has invested in nuclear power plants while renewable resource energy technology is attracting a great deal of investment.
The oil companies have ad campaigns claiming that we have plenty of oil for all of our current and future needs, but what are they leaving out? If we have this oil, why are we dependent on foreign oil to a 2 to 1 ratio? That ad and those facts clearly are in conflict and the oil companies’ ad is clearly missing some explanation. Perhaps “mining” this oil would lead to $26 or $48 per gallon oil?
We have been in a similar, though not as severe, predicament before – for those old enough, you can remember this escalation of oil prices in the 1970′s. It’s time we became responsible for managing our situation instead of believing the fantasy that we don’t have to make any changes in order to solve this problem. How many times do we have to experience the big lie that everything can be free and/or painless before we recognize that, first, we need to recognize we’re in over our heads, second, we need to learn how to swim, and third, having learned, we have to swim. We started to adapt in the 70′s and then gave up in the 80′s. Now, we’re paying the price.
The politicians aren’t going to provide the reality therapy that we need. We need to educate ourselves and stop relying on people who are pushing a political and/or a profit agenda.
As to the subject of the article, JOKE GIFTS CONCERNING ISSUES CRITICAL TO OUR ECONOMIC SURVIVAL AS A COUNTRY ARE AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. We need suggestions. We want to decide on the merits of the suggestions. We are tired of your politicking. We have had enough of your insincerity, your arrogance, your cynicism, your spinning the truth, and your outright lies. This is OUR FUTURE you are talking about and it is in a state of crisis. You had better come up with some well thought out solutions of your own that make sense and that deal with reality, not some selected, self-serving view of reality. You better be willing to make some compromises to reach solutions because we need solutions that deal with the problems of today’s world and that will work in the future, not mortgage it. We need authentic leadership not pretenders. If this were a business facing a problem like this and you its management, you would have been escorted out of the door by security by now.

Odd. I have seen more polarized attacks back and forth on every issue.
I see personal stance vs personal stance and again I fail to see one thing.
Everyone is pointing the finger at the other person and no one is looking for a solution.
It’s a fight on a playground and it’s choosing the right side to be on.
Grow up.. both sides loose even if one wins.
This is the reason we fail to get real solutions. we respond to the wagging dog. we get involved in their plans without forcing them to go outside the box.
So whats Next? A Denture Cream with Offshore oil fix for Obama?
Funny but it won’t happen because it could offend the AARP.

hesingswithfrogs
you are wrong… History does have a precedent as far as chosing VPs but as usual Obamas people dont knew their history… Mccains people are just crewing around now… it is absoutely a prelude to a campaign like 1988! Just watch it… they will make Obama look 10 times worse than Dukkakis… if Obaamas base of younger people dont know anything about him they better do their research… I mean abotu that era in poltics

paul f
i have tried for weeks to get this across to these people –in bits and pieces as sometimes too much at once is hard for them to understand–and trying to show them that they are being used by big oil does not help much—GAS WILL PROBABLY COME DOWN TO AROUND 3.00 OR EVEN LESS BEFORE ELECTIONS SO AS TO MAKE REPUBS LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE WON THE WAR—BUT IN FACT IT WILL INCREASE AGAIN.BUSH AND MCCAIN ARE PUPPETS FOR BIG OIL—-WE COUL START MAKING MORE BIODIESEL TOMORROW WHAT IS STOPPING IT —ANYONE CAN MAKE IT–I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING.

tom
i would not care about paying 5.00 per gallon for biodiesel, as we can produce cars to get 60 mpg on it–and best of all the money will stay in our economy.and stop the bankrupting of our country–all we need is someone not on the big oil take to make it happen–i guess the millions donated to mccain lets him out of it.

Jeff
Honestly, I have no idea whether party affiliation has anything to do with tire pressure. I suppose we could speculate all day long. I disagree though that Obama as “condemning” anyone with his encouragement to keep our tires properly inflated. So I don’t think the “obama energy policy” gag is funny on that basis.
To me, the “gag” was supposed to be funny because it was essentially saying … here’s Obama’s energy policy … tire pressure … that’s all he has … isn’t that stupid? What a retard!
In reality, Obama’s energy policy includes tax cuts to help offset the cost of energy, reducing energy speculation to help keep speculation from driving the prices up, increasing enforcement against energy market manipulation, requiring energy companies to more fully utilize the oil leases they have already, investment in alternative energies, investment in education geared towards assisting workers gain skills necessary to develop and produce alternative energy, and increasing our nation’s energy efficiency.
So, the premise of the “gag” … “this is Obama’s entire energy policy, isn’t that stupid” is a lie. It attempts to get people thinking … yeah tire gauges, that’s all Obama’s got, when in reality, Obama’s energy policy is much more substantive (this plays into the “all fluff” label they’re trying to put on Obama). It’s an invitation for people to create a false mental shorthand of what Obama’s energy policy really is. It’s a hope that people will use that false mental shorthand when evaluating Obama’s energy policy, and remain ignorant of what Obama’s energy policy really is. In short, rather than confronting Obama’s true energy policy, its an attempt to substitute something else … something that would be much easier to defeat .. a cartoon, a caricature, a straw man. In the end it is a deceitful, manipulative invitation of ignorance. The election of our President deserves more.

The answer to the oil question is technology.
90% of the oil of Pennsylvania and Oklahoma is still under the soil, because the greed driven people who put an oil well on every square inch of western Penn State and Oklahoma ruined the pressure and you cannot get it out with current technology.
As for price, any oil produced by the WTO is up for bid to the highest paying customer.
The answer to that, dear friends is that we stop selling our leases of our lands in the ocean. We must create sovereign corporations and yes, pray we can expect more efficient use of our tax dollars than past government agencies, but at least the result will be oil the USA owns entirely and at the cost of exploration and drilling and delivery and no bidding by whomever bids on current speculative markets.
One more thing: Steam engines just need boiling water. We can replace most uses of diesel engines with steam engines. The technology we will need to make that work in the long run is to reduce emissions from the fuel used to boil the water.
And the Stanley Steamer car went 150 MPH.
The problem was, and there was ONE, it required tinkering, in an age before electronics. Nowadays there are no impediments to starting a Stanley Steamer. None. The combination steam power with new technology can REPLACE gasoline for automobile use.

hesingswithfrogs…Inflating your tires will save you roughly 3.3 percent or 0.12 a gal. Now our Federal gas tax is 0.18. If Obama was really serious about helping out the common man he would suggest repealing this tax. But I have never met a democrat who did not like to raise taxes so chances are he would never do this..To put things in perspective, we use something like 81 million barrels every 2 days…inflating your tires is not real helpful when you are talking the nations supply nor is saving 12 cents a gal, big deal, when you are paying anywhere from 4.21-4.50 a gal as we are in California…GET REAL DRILL. Now if you follow the following instructions I might be able to help you find your manners..Place your left hand on your right ear and your right hand on your left ear..STAND BACK IF POSSIBLE because it may get messy, NOW PULL…That suction sound is the sound of freedom. Freedom from the binds that tie your manners………….Have a nice evening

Obama was not truthful about McCain and the contributions he got from oil as per Jack Tapper’s column here on this site. Also, Obama has also taken money from oil companies. Another thing that makes me question Obama’s character and integrity is Obama’s relationship with the convicted felon Rezco.
Per a Human Events article here:
“Liberals and conservatives had come together and had the Cook County, Illinois machine on the ropes but Sen. Obama did not help them. In fact, he ended up endorsing the machine candidate that year in the competitive general election and called him a good progressive Democrat. In this case he didn’t support the reformer, because to support the reformer in that election, he would have upset all the allies of the machine politician. That would have been against the interests of now-convicted developer Tony Rezko, who was tied closely to the Stroger family. He would have upset Mayor Daley, he would have to upset Emil Jones. So he played along like a good machine politician.”
My conclusion is Obama cannot be trusted and can be swayed by the highest bidder including the convicted felon Rezco.

Obama the Flip Flopper with a degree from Harvard has a great idea on how preclude America from drilling for oil offshore: keep your tires inflated. As you can see he is a person of real substance and credibility. Harvard has turned out a complete idiot when they graduated Obama. He is a socialist and a Marist follower. I would rather vote for Vladimir Putin then this terrorist advocate.

Another line that Obama has stolen, and tried to make it his own. What does this Kenyan, Hawaiian, Chicagoan, person, have for any core beliefs? The manuals in your gloves boxes tell yopu this. If you want to be Obamas’ children; good for you. He’ll treat you and talk to you like a child. Grow up America. Kick some butt, and throw “all” the bumbs out and let’s take back this country while we still have the chance. Unless you like losing your freedoms? I bet you Democrats and lazy Repubs do! Waiting for thr Messiah? Go to church. That’s the only real Messiah there is. Not some Marxist hack from Chicago, that couldn’t find the tire size on a car if he tried.

Handing out tire gauges symbolizes the juvenile thinking that more air in our tires will save more oil than can be gained from taping the continental shelve. Does Obama really believe that inflation makes us less dependent on foreign oil? All it will do is reduce our traction. Recommending overinflated tires just might possibly lead to a blowout.

The American Automobile Association (AAA) says that for every pound of pressure your tires are under-inflated, you lose 2% of mileage on your car….And the United States Department of Transportation states that approximately 25% of all commuters are driving a few pounds short of full pressure. Do the math.
Anyone arguing against these facts IS truly “ignorant”. No wonder this country’s economy is in the condition it’s in. People can’t even see the truth when it’s staring them in their ignorant faces.

As far as technical no how: I think someone who survived boot camp and them became a fighter pilot has far more eptitude than a free riding person who has never worked a day in their life!