By Natalie Gewargis

Aug 22, 2008 3:49pm

McCain Sets High Bar for Obama Post-Convention Bounce

The McCain campaign’s director of strategy, Sarah Simmons, sent out an email to reporters today setting the post-convention "bounce" in polling to an almost impossibly high level.

"This cycle mirrors Bill Clinton’s Democratic convention in 1992: A historic 16-point bump," Simmons wrote. "Barack Obama is more similarly situated to Bill Clinton in 1992 than any other candidate in recent history.  Bill Clinton was a new candidate on the national scene; he was running in a ‘change’ oriented election cycle and the economy was voters’ top issue — a dynamic he was able to capitalize on.  He received a 16-point bump coming out of his convention.  Obama is also a ‘new’ candidate in a change-oriented environment.  And, like Bill Clinton, he will spend the convention presenting himself as the agent of change who will fix the economy."

Simmons notes that the day when Obama is scheduled to accept his party’s nomination will be the 45th anniversary of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s "I Have A Dream" speech which will "result in effusive and overwhelming press coverage.  On Thursday, Obama will give a great speech, as has been his trademark.  The press will sing his praises and remark on his historic address and Obama’s place in history."

The McCain campaign predicts "nearly a 15-point bounce out of a convention in this political environment."

Let’s see how that prediction compares historically.

Historic Convention Bounces in the Gallup Poll, 1964-2000

2004  Kerry -1   GW Bush +2
2000  Gore +8  GW Bush +8
1996  Clinton +5  Dole +3
1992  Clinton +16  GHW Bush +5
1988  Dukakis +7  GHW Bush +6
1984  Mondale +9  Reagan +4
1980  Carter +10  Reagan +8
1976  Carter +9  Ford +5
1968  Humphrey +2  Nixon +5
1964  Johnson +3  Goldwater +5

So if Obama got a nearly 15 point bump, he would be on the receiving end of the second-highest convention bounce in modern American history by any candidate in any party.

Seems a little much.

- jpt

User Comments

They’ve got that right. It is most likely that a Clinton will get +16 pts bounce after Denver’s Convention.

Posted by: fact check | August 22, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

Obama will get at least 8 points – one point for every house McCain owns and is not aware of.

Posted by: Paige | August 22, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

We will turn off all TVs in the houses next Thursday entirely.

Posted by: lazy to think | August 22, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Please… It is game. He doesn’t get it and they can claim he has lost.

Posted by: Thinking | August 22, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

I really doubt that. Obama is no JFK, he is not even a Clinton. Clinton was the only candidate that won back the Reagan democrats. Obama, this year, happened to lose exactly those people. Clinton’s problem was mainly personal — his affairs. But Obama’s problem can get to national security level. He scares people with all his questionable associates and his extreme views. He at most gets 5 point bounce, and will go down once the huge attack from Repubs begins.

Posted by: amy | August 22, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

obama is NO Bill Clinton, by any measure using any scale on any matter.

Posted by: fact check | August 22, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

I’m thinking 10, Paige. The increased number of states BO thinks are in the U.S.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

Clinton was the only candidate that won back the Reagan democrats. Obama, this year, happened to lose exactly those people.
Posted by: amy | Aug 22, 2008

Hell, no. There is no way for this voter to have voted for Reagan.

Posted by: fact check | August 22, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

Hmm Sarah is really putting it out there…Why is the question?. Do the Repubs have another bombshell in their armory ready to launch..this really seems suspect.
As most would see that this is a anomaly, in the results of POTUS races.
Waiting to exhale.

Posted by: i am so I can!!!! | August 22, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Another premtive strike against the media by the right. Accuse the media of being “awestruck” and “bias,” then you get more positive coverage yourself.
I personally don’t believe in the myth of the liberal media. Why are all my AM stations cluttered with right wing nonsense? Why does FOX news exist? Why are John McCain’s extramarital affairs on his first wife underreported, but if Obama steps on an ant, there is a backlash from the media that lasts for days?

Posted by: Reason | August 22, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

Republicans don’t want to play the gaffe game. It really will make you cry, McCain might think you are a baby and give you some hot bottled water……

Posted by: Paige | August 22, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

“I personally don’t believe in the myth of the liberal media.”
Then I recommend that you avoid common sense and documented facts.

Posted by: Fran | August 22, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

So typical – a GOPer setting the bar for the bounce for the Democratic presidential candidate. Lets see what kind of bounce McCain gets after the GOP convention. A ploy to make Obama look weak if he doesn’t get a 16 point bounce. Most Republicans (especially the women – Coulter, Ingraham, Maulkin etc) are just nasty human beings.

Posted by: sunny | August 22, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Paige, you really don’t wanna go there. BO is the all-time gaffe leader in just ONE year alone. Let’s see…off the top of my head:
breathalyzer
inhilator
Afghan’s speaking Arabic
10,000 dead
What city am I in?
57 states
inflating tires = all offshore drilling
not to mention just pure idiotic crap like “guns and religion”.
Go ahead, Paige. Open up that can of whoop-####.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Oh, and add “Auschwitz” to the list.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

My eyes are bleeding after reading this. News…please…

Posted by: Obama 2008 | August 22, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Has McCain predicted his own “bounce”. The truth is that, if he can keep the media reporting on such non issues as this, they will never get around to pointing out McCain’s total ignorance on issues important to most Americans.

Posted by: Fact Checker | August 22, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Don-Iraq/Pakistan – they do NOT border each other
Somalia for Sudan
President Putin of Germany
Troops at pre-surge levels
Sunnis and Shites X 3
Czechoslovakia – has not been a county since 1993
Steelers or Green Bay – which team did he name during Vietnam.
Volunteered his wife for a wet t-shirt contest.
Veto a beer – bummer I like beer
Hot bottled water for babies

Posted by: Paige | August 22, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Let’s continue, Paige.
Obama botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
Obama claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965.
Regarding the well-known and most contaminated nuclear site in the U.S., Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there.”
How about “Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”
Gaffes? Most of yours are total snoozers. WOW!

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

I accept your surrender…

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

Sunny, if you need some additional clarification on ANY of those that I listed, please advise. Otherwise, continue with the grape Koolaide. Oh, Yeah.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Don-Gaffes? Most of yours are total snoozers. WOW!
_______________________________
Your candidate is running on his military experience and you don’t believe his lack of understanding of the Sunnis and Shites in Iraq is a problem? One time it’s a gaffe – three times, it becomes a question of age as reported in many newspapers. You have a great deal of legislative research to do – namely the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Threat Reduction legislation. It is clear, however you are a good student of the University of Hannity.

Posted by: Paige | August 22, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Don-Please share with us what legislative accomplishments McCain has and plans to provide that is the basis for your vote?

Posted by: Paige | August 22, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

This may be the first time in history we see a post-convention slump. People are running from Obama in droves. The empty suit is frayed and threadbare.

Posted by: marylou | August 22, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

“…you don’t believe his lack of understanding of the Sunnis and Shites in Iraq is a problem?”
For one, you failed to actually identify any problem. The actual issue is whether Iran is helping insurgents. Does it matter to the U.S. military who Iran is helping? Word is that Iran may be helping both Muslim sects. Your mileage may vary, but I’m for killing all insurgents.
What IS a problem is that your bud BO is willing to sit face to face with terrorist regimes with absolutely zero preconditions. Maybe sipping tea and eating crumpetts. Maybe a bridge game. Who knows?

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

Im gonna take a wild guess and say Obama blows it on his choice for VP. When it comes to the mind of most people who would have maybe voted for him. I think he is so far from main stream anything he will alienate himself by his choice. I think the dems will be disappointed.
Just a guess

Posted by: Bing | August 22, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

Don-Untwist ask one of our brave military personel.
__________________________________
I had the honor of attending an Obama rally with the Marine One pilot for Nixon and numerous members of our military.

Posted by: Paige | August 22, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

DOn the problem is if you do not see that not understanding who is siding with who Iran, shia, sunni, mujahadeen, afghanistan, freedom fighters, pakistan…
that is bad…
the issue is Mccain actually doesn’t understand the social and tribal math…
he never has.
His statement consistently showed that he doesn’t understand what these enemies drives are.
How can you fight terrrorism and say you understand stabilization…
if you do not even know whose on whose team.
we just used the tactic we used in afghanistan in the late 70′s giving money, guns and power to make the surge “work” and then we walk away… it would be a good tactic if we never left (which is what Mccain wanted to do but we absolutely can not afford) but these are conflicts that have raged for centuries…and when we leave what might happen…is what happened in afghanistan…that no matter what or how long…the freedom fighters may go back to those long held historical divisions and turn into …al qaeda, the taliban, and OBL.
because that IS what happened in afghanistan after we funneled money and guns to them to fight an enemy of ours.
it’s all dumb…
and Mccain is the dumbest.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

and Don that bad gamble that we won’t know if it “worked” for decades that we call a surge… because we still have thousands of soldiers holding the civil war apart from happening…
cost us lives and 1,000,000,000,000.00 dollars. just the surge.
hope all those guns and money and lives we have now given to these muslim extremists don’t come back to bite us in the a$$ in the form of another al qaeda group…or worse.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

In 1992, Clinton only got a bounce that big because the race went from three people to two. Perot dropped out and endorsed Clinton. Clinton went from third place to first.

Posted by: Democrat | August 22, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

Thanks, dl. ‘preciate all the insight.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

It is not surprising that with the damage resulting from Fay, the rising number of bankrupt Americans and the historical loss of jobs that McCain would focus on something as trite as a post convention bounce.
When will our resident war hero start talking about issues that really matter to hard working Americans? The thought of this “ranked fifth from the bottom of over 500 cadets” winning the election makes me want to cry.

Posted by: Against the Wind | August 22, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Makes sense to me….however if Obama has has his polling “bumps” that were expected AFTER Hillary suspended her camapaing, and AFTER the rock star world tour….OBAMA WOULDN’T HAVE SO FAR TO CLIMB!
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Hey Debra the thought of a
racist Obama in the white house scares me!

Posted by: JH | August 22, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

Are you serious? Do you really believe that a discussion of a post convention bounce is more important than the hardships Americans are facing?
If your answer is yes that it makes perfect sense to me why someone who claims to have supported Hillary would now support her polar opposite.

Posted by: Against the Wind | August 22, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

Hey JH, better buy some Depends cause you are “fixing” to get the pee scared outta you!
Obama 08

Posted by: katie | August 22, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Hey Debra the thought of a
racist Obama in the white house scares me!
Posted by: JH
Ignorance is what is destroying this country.

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

As much as I can’t stand Obama for Prez…he will get a bump in polls from this Convention/circus….Oprah’s there and I heard she’s giving everyone a car!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Obama will not win because people will go into that booth in Penn, Mich, Ohio, Viginia and get scarred that they may actually be voting for a Marxist and they will have a change of heart.

Posted by: rockychance | August 22, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

I think Obama is going to be real disappointed when he doesn’t get the bump………..and will be looking to toss someone under the bus. I think it will be the VP’s fault of course.

Posted by: chattyway | August 22, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

Obama will be giving RESKO a pardon, if he is elected.

Posted by: Baron | August 22, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

The republicans are great at setting up what Americans should think. The whole point of this it to get everyone thinking that Obama should get this huge bump, and when he doesn’t, Limbaugh and Hannity can spin the news that Obama failed.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | August 22, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Well look at all the pardons from Bill, some very questionable. Would Hillary do the same, probably.

Posted by: oo | August 22, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

VoR, who cares what Hannity or Limbaugh say? Who actually cares what polls say from day-to-day? Don’t you think the important issue is what the candidate’s credentials/history/experience/judgements/plans are?

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

We need more of the same ole and not change. Our economy is bouncing back, the dollar is rebounding, oil is on its way down, the war is coming to an end and McCain needs to keep us on our current path.

Posted by: American Dreamer | August 22, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

Yes, but the thinner air of Denver has given BO illusions of grandeur. When he arrives at sea level again, will he ever be deflated. As a Hillary Democrat, we happily have John McCain for President.

Posted by: benvictor | August 22, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

Debra,
Please correct me if I am wrong. You supported Hillary because you agreed with her positions on health care, the war, taxes, etc.
Politically, Barack and Hillary are very similar with the only true major difference between them being the way in which they ran their campaigns and how they put forth similar platforms.
I do not understand why you are so bitter about Obama as the nominee. He won more states and delegates than Hillary did. If you really were a Hillary supporter, you wouldn’t be voting for someone who represents the exact opposite of what you believe.
Your stance is completely irrational and I would like clarification on why you think McCain is better than Obama if you don’t support McCain’s views.

Posted by: Jon | August 22, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

excellent post debra.

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

chattyway, Obama isn’t predicting the 15 pt bounce, McCain is. If it doesn’t happen, will it be because McCain is even more out of touch then most people think?

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Why McSame does not predict a big bounce for himself after his convention in St Paul? Why Obama’s bounce is his problem? What a ludicrous way to exploit political situation. McWBush this is the beginning of your end. Your 13 houses around the country, your very low IQ and serious dementia have betrayed you. God save America from McSame. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | August 22, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

Another damaging blow to the GOP and McCain. Susan Eisenhower is leaving the GOP and is supporting Obama.
For the youngsters among you, Susan is the daughter of John Eisenhower, and the granddaughter of President Dwight Eisenhower. She is a highly respected expert on international security and the relationship between the United States and Russia.

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 22, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

debra i’m off to class. i hear desperation in the obama ranks. what a shame and so close to the convention.
and you are correct if he had gotten the anticipated bump from hillary the projected #s from mccain for a post convention bump for obama are not that far off.
you are brilliant indeed.
bye for now.

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

This is ridiculous. The only reason the McCain camp is throwing such a high number is because they want to be able to continue to say Obama is below expectations. Funny how the guy from nowhere and below expectations has maintained a steady lead over McCain throughout the race. McCain will loose in November and our NEXT PRESIDENT will be Barack OBAMA!!

Posted by: dan | August 22, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

McCain’s grin is like the jokers. Yikes!

Posted by: oo | August 22, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

“Our economy is bouncing back” (we’re in recession),
“the dollar is rebounding” (down again this week to new lows),
“oil is on its way down” (down from $141 a record, 4x the 2000 price)
“the war is coming to an end” (maybe by 2011 or 2012)
“McCain needs to keep us on our current path” (you’re deluded, aren’t you?)
On this path, the US will collapse by 2012………..

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

How dang obvious can the McCain camp be-lol!
NO presidential candidate has ever enjoyed a 16+ ‘bounce’.
This way if Obama is lucky enough to even gain 5-7+, McCain’s camp (and of course the media too) will say:
Why didn’t Obama get the 16+ point bounce predicted?
Jeeze louise- please, please tell me McCain doesn’t believe American’s are that stupid?!

Posted by: Old Woman | August 22, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

There is only one poll that matters.

Posted by: jock59801 | August 22, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

If barack does get this bounce, McCain wins again. John is going to make an excellent president. Barack is just too much a noob! Get a life; then get a job. Nobody starts at the top. Not the way its suppose to be. Get a little experience, do something. All of you voting for barack because he is black or a great speaker are idiots. Only vote for barack if you think he is going to be a better president of the United States.

Posted by: American Dreamer | August 22, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

I suppose Mr. McCain’s always wants to appear “successful” by always meeting very low expectations. That is not success. That is pseudo-success, and the philosophy of losers.

Posted by: FilmMD | August 22, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Is it just me or does it seem that all the pundits on CNN that are McCain supporters seem to be snotty Barbie doll type women between the ages of 20 and 25 with razor sharp tongues? Why is that?

Posted by: Annette | August 22, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

If Barack doesn’t get this bounce, McCain is WRONG again. Wouldn’t it be awful to have a dumbskull for president, oh wait, that’s right, he’s Bush III.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Don—-Clinton didnt get his bounce because Perot dropped out and endorsed Clinton. Perot didnt drop out and went on to win 20 million votes in the general.

Posted by: DonCheckYourFacts | August 22, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Unless Obama picks Hillary, I doubt that he will get that huge of a bump. The rest of his choices are either old news or no news. I truly think that the enthusiasm for Obama has waned.

Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

Jon…I am an Independent with no party loyalty, usually vote Repub., love Hillary, voted for and donated to her,…respect and admire both McCain and Clinton….Obama is not fit for the highest office in this county AND IT’S NOT HIS SKIN COLOR….IT’S HIS ROOTLESS COSMOPOLITAN ANTI AMERICAN FRIENDS/ASSOCIATES, ATHEIST MOTHER, MUSLIM DADS, ANGRY WIFE….THE LIST IS TOO LONG TO MENTION HERE.
McCAIN ’08/HILLARY ’12

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

John McCain has over the years gradually shriveled from a real war hero to nothing more than a circus clown. He has become, (and there is no kinder or gentler word for it) a pathetic boob.

Posted by: FilmMD | August 22, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

Obama VP announcement plus the Convention in less than a week should give him double digits bounce.
The challenge for Obama is to exceed the average of the previous conventions (or 7%) which will show him above 50% in all polls.
In the worst case scenario Obama should at least match or go back to the poll numbers during “Unity” in late June having a 8% advantage over McCain in most polls..

Posted by: Angel | August 22, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

Again….let’s do the math….if BO had got the projected 8 point bump AFTER HILLARY DROPPED OUT, and if he he got the projected 5 point bump AFTER HIS ROCK STAR WORLD TOUR….HE’D ONLY HAVE 3 OR 4 POINTS TO GO……Don’t blame anyone for the polls EXCEPT OBAMA!
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Debra,
First off, what is wrong with being cosmopolitan? I see no problem with this.
As for his “anti-american” friends, please give me a list because if you are talking about folks at Weatherhead or Rezko, both those links have been fairly severed. Rezko simply donated to Obama’s campaign and when he was charged with a felony, Obama donated an equal sum of money that was donated into his campaign to charity.
As for Weatherhead, Obama was decried those acts from 40 years ago and called them irresponsible. People change over time (McCain’s certainly changed a great deal in the past 8 years), so to say that because he once knew them or sat on a board with them, that’s terrible logic. Hillary was once a board member at Wal-Mart, who routinely treats their workers as juvenile by not allowing them to join unions and barely paying them minimum wage, if not lower than minimum wage. I didn’t see the outcry then.
The fact that you are also making your decision based on someone’s religion is highly troubling. Our country’s founding fathers were in fact deists and not members of any single organized religious group. The fact that the Federalist Paper’s and Declaration (and in fact America’s original exodus from England) was based on religious persecution makes your statements all the more hypocritical. There is meant to be a separation between Church and State. Learn to live with it. Pick someone for their policies, not what religion their parents are they themselves are.
Also, are you choosing Michelle Obama to make the decisions in the White House or are you choosing Barack Obama? Just wanted to be clear about that. She doesn’t have the final say so.
You still haven’t given me a single valid reason for choosing McCain over Obama if you agreed with Hillary’s positions. Or if you didn’t agree with Hillary’s positions, your vote/donation was based solely on gender.

Posted by: Jon | August 22, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

I am thrilled John has set this bar for BO. As a Hillary Democrat, it is good to see the democratic party’s elitist acting so prudishly. Perhaps, it is the thin air of Denver that has given him this illusion of grandeur. Upon returning to sea level, I suspect he will be delusional. Thank God November is close and John is our next President of America.

Posted by: benvictor | August 22, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

“I guess . . . if you don’t know how many houses you have, then it’s not surprising that you might think the economy was fundamentally strong,” Obama told an audience in Chester, Va.
And if you haven’t paid a bill in ten or twenty years (like McCain), you might think the economy is better off today than 8 years ago. Out of touch doesn’t say enough, out of his gourd is more like it.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Jon…let’s put it this way…his “rootlessness” and disconnect from American values,or what I perceive to be “all American” is my main reason. I also don’t want to move toward Socialism and I could never sit or be a member of a hateful/blame whites/country/jews Church. Ayers friendship is unacceptable.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

as a Hillary Democrat, how can you vote for someone who has worked against everything that Hillary stood for:
Hillary believes in racial and religious tolerance; McCain doesn’t and neither do you.
Hillary is pro-choice; McCain is prolife and working to end the pill and the use of IUDs as contraception.
Hillary is pro-women; McCain has treated the women in his life with contempt.
Hillary has voted for measures that improve the lot of the average person in health care; McCain has twisted measures that help the average person into drug company giveaways. McCain wants to privatize VA hospitals and votes regularly against increased funding for vets. Active military isn’t voting for McCain.
Hillary understands economics; McCain doesn’t. His economics advisor was Phil Gramm, the guy who deregulated both the energy industry (and worked for Enron) and the mortgage industry (thank you for our declining housing values).

Posted by: Carol | August 22, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
Thanks for reminding me what “in touch” means, JR.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

I’m simply pointing out facts about this campaign’s history as well as the history of this nation.
Having people slander a candidate based on rumors and lies is not how we should be choosing the leader of this nation. We should be choosing them based on their policies, domestically and abroad.
Let’s talk about the issues, the facts and what we can do to make this country stronger.

Posted by: Jon | August 22, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

It’s funny we can argue all day and people can always talk about Barack associations, but the funy thing is McCain has assocaitions he is not happy about, but nothing is said…HYPOCRITES…you know why, because its skin color. The honorable McCain lied and said he did not start dealing with Cindy until his divorce was final, but on FOX they showed that was a lie. Lets see Barack is married to the same woman, and raising two beautiful girls. For all of you who call Michelle angry, well she is not angry, she can speak freely because she is not trying to hold up some phony perfect image as alot of conservative Democrat and Republicans do. They beat there wives in the arms and below the waist so the abuse is hidden. Do you ever wonder why white men get away with molesting there kids, and the wife knows it. Maybe you should try being a strong woman.

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

It’s funny we can argue all day and people can always talk about Barack associations, but the funy thing is McCain has assocaitions he is not happy about, but nothing is said…HYPOCRITES…you know why, because its skin color. The honorable McCain lied and said he did not start dealing with Cindy until his divorce was final, but on FOX they showed that was a lie. Lets see Barack is married to the same woman, and raising two beautiful girls. For all of you who call Michelle angry, well she is not angry, she can speak freely because she is not trying to hold up some phony perfect image as alot of conservative Democrat and Republicans do.

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

You got to hand it to these guys running the McCain campaign. Here is a guy who is quite well to do and cannot remember how many houses he owns. Somehow their man is not out of touch with the public and is not an elitist. Instead, they paint Obama as an elitist and people buy it hook line and sinker. McCain graduated at the near-bottom of his class but the campaign paints him as a capable leader. On the other hand Obama is called incompetent even though he graduated from the Harvard Law School and was also the editor of the Law Review while he was there. People accept this as a fact. Campaign managers know us all too well. They know we are so ideologically polarized we are willing to accept the most partisan attacks as facts.

Posted by: worldsam | August 22, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

Frankly Don, I think he hit the nail on the head. It applies to you, doesn’t it?

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

John McCain is obviously the best candidate for the white house in a long time. He earned this opportunity through hard work and a life of service to our country. War hero. Veteran. Disabled Veteran. Loves our country. I for one will not waiver on my support to the American Hero of the jihad acts of barack.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

John McCain is obviously the best candidate for the white house in a long time. He earned this opportunity through hard work and a life of service to our country. War hero. Veteran. Disabled Veteran. Loves our country.

Posted by: fact check | August 22, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Here, let me help you little man:
John McCain is obviously the best candidate for the white house in a long time. He earned this opportunity through hard work and a life of service to our country. War hero. Veteran. Disabled Veteran. Loves our country. I for one will not waiver on my support to the American Hero of the jihad acts of barack.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Jon, you can’t argue with ignorance. People not wanting to vote for Barack because Hillary lost, or atleast that is the excuse they give. They say there was sexism in the primaries, well so what there was racism. You will find alot of people on this blog who are willing to vote off of ignorance, and 4yrs from now they will be wondering why am I still living paycheck to paycheck. Funny remeber Cheney calling the people of WV inbreds, and he said well I’m not running for anything. And they are still stuck on stupid.

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Jon, you can’t argue with ignorance. People not wanting to vote for Barack because Hillary lost, or atleast that is the excuse they give. They say there was sexism in the primaries, well so what there was racism. You will find alot of people on this blog who are willing to vote off of ignorance, and 4yrs from now they will be wondering why am I still living paycheck to paycheck.

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Sorry if I rambled like Obama on my last post, but your insults don’t change the fact that “I’m just not that into him”
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

I for one don’t WANT to vote for Obama, but see NO option. The idea of keeping the neo-cons in the white house for 4 more years, gags me. McCain would be the worst thing for our country since George Bush.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

Debra:
No one cares how you think, that is if you even do.

Posted by: Saddlesablazing | August 22, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

I’ve been reading and watching these two for a while now. I don’t seen anything special about McCain at all. He just seems out of it. He straight out said he’s not an economy guy. Our economy is screwed people. Obama is, as I see it, real potential for change. And not because he’s saying change, I already heard it. McCain is just going to keep us on the Bush track. I can’t wait to hear their speeches so I can make my final decision.

Posted by: CFH | August 22, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Debra,
Barack is the one “out of touch?” A man who truly worked from nothing to the Democratic nomination on a basis on intelligence, hard work, diligence and respect from his peers. Please.
In what way is Barack a socialist, as you claim? If raising taxes on the upper class is what you call socialist, then you really do not understand the tenants of that political system. Being a member of the upper class, in the economic sense of the term, I find his policy refreshing as it allows for those who have more to give back to the country so the government can use that influx in cash to help those who have less of it. That to me is the goal of government: to raise up those who have none while protecting the liberties and property of those have it. Isn’t that also the goal of any organized religion (should you be choosing a candidate for that reason)?
I probably shouldn’t be debating with someone who does not realize the difference between “write” and “right” though anyways.

Posted by: Jon | August 22, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

atl,
I agree with you. You cannot combat ignorance. The only thing that counters it is education, but that seems to be failing in this country as well, unfortunately.

Posted by: Jon | August 22, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

“I can’t wait to hear their speeches so I can make my final decision.”
If you’ve heard one McCain speech, you’ve heard them all. Same rhetoric, same jokes, same POW rehash.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Vote as you please, junior. Hint: Bush ain’t running.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

If McGoo calls me *his friend* one more time I’ll scream!

Posted by: oo | August 22, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

“I can’t wait to hear their speeches so I can make my final decision.”
If you’ve heard one McCain speech, you’ve heard them all. Same rhetoric, same jokes, same POW rehash.
Agreed, I just had to say that to still stay on the fence. I’m kinda like the text message. Waiting to announce my decision but…. you know what it is.

Posted by: CFH | August 22, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

What would anyone expect from a Republican? Hell, if they could predict anything correctly we wouldn’t have had a 9/11, wouldn’t be in Iraq, and wouldn’t be running half-trillion dollar budget deficits on a regular basis.

Posted by: growingoldoffensively | August 22, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

bill, look around, the republicans have almost doubled the size of the US government and tripled the size of the deficit.
Just because it isn’t CALLED a tax, doesn’t mean it isn’t one. It’s an old republican trick, raise the cost of everything but claim it a tax cut. Are you better off today than you were 8 years ago?. I’m not.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

OBAMA WILL HAVE A POST CONVENTION COLLAPSE VOTERS ARE GETTING DISTURBED WITH HIS SLEEZY SLIMY ATTACKS ON McCAIN.

Posted by: DemocratNoMore2 | August 22, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

“Bush ain’t running”
Sure he is, he’s calling himself John McCain.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

“HIS SLEEZY SLIMY ATTACKS”
????????????????????????????
Have you seen the McCain ads?

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

growingoldoffensively: I, too, am “growing old.” I am old enough to know that not one single political party bears the responsibility for anything you wrote about in your post. Perhaps you have grown too old, and cannot remember Bill Clinton who was so involved with “not having sex with that woman — ” that he lost track of how to protect the country from our enemies. Please don’t make me laugh about the deficits we have been running under both parties for some time now. It’s pretty childish to continue to preach the Democratss party lines in the face of bold facts that disprove what you claim.

Posted by: Lisa Again | August 22, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

I think Obama will have to win the election in order for the convention to be considered a success and even then, the Republicans will blame someone else.

Posted by: Kevin P. | August 22, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

John McCain is a millionaire playboy looking for a new hobby. .

Posted by: bob | August 22, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

PEOPLE WILL BE A FOOL TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN,HE GOING TO BRING BACK THE DRAFT

Posted by: melvin | August 22, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Jon,I ask myself this question every 4 yrs., are we going to let the wealthy divide us by class and race, get us angry so we vote off of emotions instead common sense, and here we are again. People angry Hillary lost so they are voting for McCain. People can’t vote for Barack because he is black, and they give these stupid excuses that you can see right through. The problem with this country is no one wants to accept the truth. We all have demons and issues, black people and white people, all of us. But one issue we need to get over is the color of skin. Wealthy people only care about green.
Thanks Jon

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Jon,I ask myself this question every 4 yrs., are we going to let the wealthy divide us by class and race, get us angry so we vote off of emotions instead common sense, and here we are again. People angry Hillary lost so they are voting for McCain. People can’t vote for Barack because he is black, and they give these stupid excuses that you can see right through. The problem with this country is no one wants to accept the truth. We all have demons and issues, black people and white people, all of us. But one issue we need to get over is the color of skin. Wealthy people only care about green.
Thanks Jon

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

“John McCain is a millionaire playboy looking for a new hobby.”
Wanna link me up with that new wave thought, bobby?

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Thank You Hokie Freak. People you can’t stop the inevitable, now you will learn how hate is defeated.

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

15 point bounces are a thing of the past. However, if Hillary and Bill come through in a big way next week, I believe Obama/VP will get a 7 or 8 point bounce.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Will this be called the Resko/Wright bounce?

Posted by: Art in FL. | August 22, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Will this be called the Resko/Wright bounce?
Posted by: Art in FL
No, it will be called Keating 5, oh no, I can’t remember how many houses I have.

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

I don’t see NoBama getting even a double digit bounce. No matter what he says, he lies, flip flops, and has no substance. Maybe a 5 pt bounce is about it. Remember, the GOP Convention starts next weekend and will diffuse the Democratic convention completely. Obama will NEVER live in the White House, sorry!

Posted by: jackson | August 22, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

We will wait for the Clinton/Obama nomination. If not, President John McCain will be elected, as there are 9.7 million reasons for this fact.
>>>>>>>>>>> PUMA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Posted by: Barry Not! | August 22, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

“John McCain is a millionaire playboy looking for a new hobby.”
Well, he was in Sturgis pushing Cindy into a topless contest.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

When Bill Clinton got his 15 pt bounce, you had a unified democratic party. You don’t have that this year. The dems will not be unified until 4 yrs from now. If Hillary doesnt come away from the convention as the nominee, then she will run again in 2012. This year, the DNC, Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, and Kennedy gave the presidency to John McCain. Hillary should have been the nominee…she was the won with “character” and “substance”, not Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: jackson | August 22, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

After NoBama completely “blew” the forum this past weekend, recent polls show that the Independents are rapidly going toward John McCain. When Obama made the statement, “above my pay grade”, he lost the election. Now, America, feels the Presidency is above him now.

Posted by: jackson | August 22, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

QUIZ: Which number is bigger? The number of homes owned by McCain or the number of wives owned by Mitt Romney’s grandfather? Trick question…the answer to both is 8.

Posted by: Steve from Danville | August 22, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

Why is McCain sounding off on this?
Ole John is just setting the stage, if Obama make a 15pt bounce, McCain will say, “look how smart I was to predict it”
If Obama doesn’t make it, McCain will say, “look he didn’t get what people expected”
Either way, McBush expects to use it to his benefit. Personally, I think it makes him look devious and deceitful.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

Posted by: jackson
Obama did not blow the forum, it was not a debate as John McCain told stories just to get through it. He didn’t mention the name Jesus one time. You see everything is not a show or politics, but aparently John McCain didn’t get the message, or he does not understand the faith and values that is required of us by our lord and saviour Jesus Christ. What about you?

Posted by: atl | August 22, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

The only way the democratic nominee will get a 15 point bounce, is if the nominee is President Hillary Clinton. Obama has dropped in the polls, by about 7 to 17 points. He is a proven loser and it’s for the good of the party that he should leave.
Hillary or McCain – period !!!

Posted by: Sylvia B. | August 22, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

LOL – look at all the cookie cutter talking point points all these good little repubs are earning. Maybe soon they’ll be able to afford their decoder rings and get a clue.

Posted by: McCain Blogger Points | August 22, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Obama may have dropped 5 (not 7 or 17) points in the polls, but he’s still ahead of McCain.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

Debra you must be out of your mind!! You say Obama is unfit because of his atheist mother and muslim dad and angry wife?? Barack could hardly pick his parents religion while he was just a boy could he?? I don’t believe you are so heartless to speak of his parents as if you are showing some Christian kindness–

Posted by: lowes4321 | August 22, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Ya know, I don’t really care how much Obama wins by, as long as he beats McBush.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

You people are sick. Crap!!!
Just shout the hell up and vote for the best one.

Posted by: Juice ju | August 22, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

I cannot believe that people want to blame Bush for everything when, the entire Congress (both houses), are controlled by the Democrats! They’re the ones that want to give everything away and then wonder why we’re in debt! The Democrats have always wanted these free give away programs! Obama will destroy this country as we know it now and if he gets in and we end up with Universal Health Care, then you’ll never have good Health Care again! Ask the Brits or Canadians. If you need a surgery, you’ll be lucky to get it within 4-6 mos. Obama is an arrogant, egotistical danger to the USA. I’m 70 yrs. old and know what I’m talking about! His experience consists of 173 days as a JUNIOR Senator! That’s it!

Posted by: gale | August 22, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

This could be called the terrorist connection bump after the nomination, as Obama is close friends and associate with known terorists, Ayres and Dohrn.

Posted by: Roger R. in Jacksonville | August 22, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

jackson, I think Jack Cafferty summed McCain’s performance really well:
“One after another, McCain’s answers were shallow, simplistic, and trite. He showed the same intellectual curiosity that George Bush has — virtually none.”

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

I just watched Obama on ABC and he said something to the effect he wants a VP that can govern and present him with a challenge and has experience…sooooo I guess he is picking Hillary?

Posted by: tigger | August 22, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

NoBama’s answers in the forum: “uhhh…ummmm…hmmmm…uhhh…hmmmm…ummmm….uhhhhh….thats above my paygrade.”
What a loser Obama is!
McCain 08!

Posted by: jackson | August 22, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

gale , both houses of Congress were in republican hands for over 14 years. 1 1/2 years ago, the democrats got a 1 vote majority, but with Bush in the white house to veto anything passed by democrats, it takes a 2/3′s majority to CONTROL congress.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

JR – don’t worry. Barak Hussein Obama is going to beat the so called Maverick. I have been watching this guy for over a year now. He is not a flawless candidate, but he is damn good. When McCain is confronted in the debates with his over the top statements questioning Barack’s patriotism, he is not going to look good. The commentators are going to call McCain on it and he comes off in a very, very bad way. Think back to the uncomfortable exchanges between him and Romney in the primaries. He has absolutely no poker face. Something will get under his skin and he will over reach and expose his hot headed personality. Have no fear. This guy is a really crappy candidate. It is totally nature that most people got a little Obama fatigue and needed a break from him. He might have peaked too soon, but I still am confident that he will win against this clown.

Posted by: billy smith | August 22, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

jackson, Well he sure nailed that one though, now didn’t he?

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Obummer won’t pick Hillary because she would overshadow him in all areas of government….plus, what on earth would Pelosi do if someone outshined her Pinnochio puppet, Obummer? And, that’s exactly what Obama is, a wooden puppet with no brains that work for Pelosi. Instead of his nose growing, his ears are growing! Have you noticed how freakin BIG his ears have gotten lately?
Obama = loser!

Posted by: jackson | August 22, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

Since McCain is now, as much as, 5 points ahead in the polls, it’s time to beg Hillary to take the presidential nomination. Obama can beg for the VP spot. After dropping about 10 points in the polls, in two months, the writing is on the wall – Dukakis II.

Posted by: Dukakis again! | August 22, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

What a bunch of FOOLS the Rep party has become.
You’re scared aren’t ya….?
and you’ve got good reason to be.
Your party is HISTORY.
McCain is the most boring, stale, dim-witted candidate we’ve ever seen. Most of his party are embarrassed of their nominee and they’re coming out in numbers showing their own disgust for this un-American ditso.
Yeah, you can “honor” his service… But that’s about it. There’s no substance, no trust or honesty, no real decision making, NO Foreign affairs experience and he’s tied to everyone we want nothing to do with anymore.
Wait till the debates come.
You’re about to see one of the smartest people debating an aging fool. I can’t even imagine this dunce in a debate.
This is gonna be exciting to watch.
Change is coming…. OBAMA 2008

Posted by: Semer | August 22, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

I love coming here each night and reading the Obamcons posts! I ALWAYS have a good laugh! I’m going to be laughing even more when I watch Obama’s face as he has to give his concession speech to President John McCain!

Posted by: Alice | August 22, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

McCain “08″ Keep Your Change.

Posted by: BREAKING NEWS!! | August 22, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

If McCain “08″ Your Change is all you’ll have left.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

McCain is playing a Republican trick. They will predict a high number and say that Obama did not make the mark!! Who the hell are they? How are you(mCCAIN) in the number two spot since this race began in a position to say what the number one person(Obama) should do to make the mark!! I smell Republican FEAR?FEAR/ They have no candidate worth being in the white house to try this dumb trick. Actually if you look at their campaign since it started they HAVE NOTHING TO STAND ON- THEY REALLY DO LOOK LIKE CLOWNS. Predict your own fate MCCain -How many points will you be down? Again.

Posted by: lowes4321 | August 22, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Have you ever noticed when you listen to the Republican’s talk about their candidate or anything else related to their neo-con party, they ALWAYS repeat word-for-word from FOX “News” talking points?
It’s insane….
We have been so dumbed-down as a nation by fake right-winged news organizations and their biased propaganda.
Most of it’s basic reverse-psychology – Take the good and turn it into the bad, and so on.
I’m not so sure McSame isn’t just as IDIOTIC as McBush. And let’s face it, we’ve just witnessed 8 years of the stupidest administration we’ve ever seen as a nation.
AND YOU WANT MOR EOF THAT…?
Clowns!
OBAMA 2008

Posted by: Jakeone | August 22, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

Billy, Democrats took over the Congress in 11/06. And, they hold the majority. How old r u? They voted for the War, give away programs, etc. Bush has not overridden for 7 yrs. Come on! But, thank God for anything he did override! God help us if Obama wins! I’ve voted both parties but this man will be the ruin of us. The middle eastern countries want him in because they know he has no knowledge or experience in the defense of this country! Osama Bin Laden will attack us again if Obama gets in! Mark my words!

Posted by: gale | August 22, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

IMPORTANT POINT!
For Immediate Release:
Let’s NOT forget that McSame was also directly responsible for the McBush Lies that led us to this FAILED war in IRAQ.
Of course he supports the war and wants us to remain there for 100 YEARS… All of his friends and family will benefit if we stay in war.
That is the NEO-CON Agenda people.
McSame is a proven liar, he flip-flops almost every month, he is known for being a coward to the system that runs him, his scandal affiliation is out of control. He has never been successfully involved in any foreign relation matters, is completely out of touch with the working class and the list goes on.
America is sick and tired of the Neo Cons ruining this country is the guise of patriotism. We are way too smart for that now.
Change is coming – Obama 2008

Posted by: McSamer | August 22, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

Obama/Dukakis, real losers !!!!!!!

Posted by: Bart | August 22, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Have you ever seen such a lame campaign coming from mcsame??? He won’t pick his vp until obama picks his.He had to listen to Obama’s answers at the saddleback church before he could reply with his own which were no doubt written for him.He attacks Obama as being “too good” with his inept attack ads. Just what we need for president. Another 4 years with a complete moron.

Posted by: con me not | August 22, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

Obama/Edwards, oops, Obama threw him under the bus. This would have been a dream team. ha, ha, ha,…

Posted by: Arttie | August 22, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

McCain doesn’t even know how many multi million dollar houses he owns and has to consult with his account first to find out. Ten by the way. And he depicts himself as just being one of the guys in America. It’s no wonder his answer to Rick Warren of the saddleback church for being rich was ” five million dollars”.

Posted by: Johnnie McSame | August 22, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

If Obama continues his downfall in the polls, he will be down by 10 to 20 points in November. Obama would be the biggest loser in modern day history. Just think, the democrats cheated Hillary for this wanna-be-loser.

Posted by: Atisha | August 22, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

So, McSame is now attempting to tell the American People how much of a “bump” Sen. Obama must get out of the Democratic Convention in order to be considered a success. If that isn’t presumptuousness, than I don’t know what it is. Whatever “bump” Sen. Obama gets will be fine with me as he leads in virtually every poll, and has led all summer. Also, when it comes to what really counts, the Electoral College, Sen. Obama is still approximately 50 votes ahead of McSame and would win if the election were held today. I’m comfortable with the thought that when Sen. Obama starts hammering away on McSame and his foolishness, we’ll see positive movement for Sen. Obama in the polls. Obama 08!!!

Posted by: caliguy55 | August 22, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

I am a registered Republican and have been for AGES.
Most of my friends and family are Republicans as well.
And we feel betrayed by our own party.
It’s not anything like what it used to be and we’re tired of paying the price for their dirty lies and tricks.
All you have to do is look at the way John McCain lied to us about George Bush. We cringe now every time his name is mentioned. And you are right “McSamer” I hate to admit it, but you are right.
They both LIED us into this pathetic war and we will be paying for this forever.
Until you wake up and look deeper into the truth, you will remain fooled like the GOP has intended.
Enough is enough, we are voting for OBAMA just to end this horrible cycle that has virtually destroyed our country, ruined our reputation around the world, made terrorism stronger than it’s EVER BEEN.
We created what we have been battling in Iraq and it was ALL over LIES —— Proven LIES.
Not MISTAKES, But LIES.
That is a war crime and so was leaking that poor CIA agents wife just because he came clean and truthfully reported about BUSHCO & John McCain lying us into this awful mistake of a war. Outing a CIA agent is a WAR CRIME and we need to own up to that as a nation and stop pushing it off as something we shouldn’t talk about in public. We need to honor our fighting and fallen soldiers and bring the people responsible for their deaths due to lies to justice. No matter how embarrassing this will be as a nation, we MUST own up to this and come clean on all the facts. Every Republican I know is now voting across the party in order to stop this mad cycle and bring our country back with honor and respect. I hope this Obama is as honest as he’s coming off, because we’re going to need that.

Posted by: Republicon | August 22, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Looks like Obama will follow in the footsteps of Dukakis. Actually, Obama, will make Dukakis look good in November. And the democrats were so close…

Posted by: Bart | August 22, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

When did it become a crime to own a few houses in United States? We are not communist country right?

Posted by: Joseph | August 22, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

I will vote Republican when the true middle of the road Republican take back control of the party. They let the Conservative far right wing nuts take over after Nixon embarrased the party. Now they have to get rid of the con as well as their partners the Evangelicals and their one issue only vote pattern. Till that happens I’m staying with the Independent or Democrats.

Posted by: Ronaldraygun | August 22, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

I pray Obama choses Biden and McCain choses Romney.
McCain is worth $40.4 million. His wife net worth is $100 million. McCain owns 11 homes. Drives a cadillac. Cindy drives a lexus in a $3,000 suits.
Romney is worth $202 million. Another elitist of his own.
Obama is worth $1.3 million
Biden net worth is $100,000-150,000
Elitist. Yes indeed. Its the McCain/Romney ticket.
Barack/Biden vs McCain/Romney will be the easiest landslide since Reagan.

Posted by: Vanessa | August 22, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Third try for a bounce Obama….Hillary dropping out didn’t work, European World Tour didn’t work….this is it….enjoy your week to bump up in the polls. Hope Oprah’s free gift baskets help you out too.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

Perot dropping out of the race right before the Democratic Convention contributed mightily to Clinton’s huge bounce. That was a unique situation. Perot later dropped back in to the race, of course, but his initial drop-out before the Dem. convention boosted Clinton’s numbers temporarily.

Posted by: Lisa | August 22, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

Obama is not as sleek as Clinton. He sucks!!!

Posted by: al4mcattack | August 22, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

Im not that sure if Hussein Obama hates America with Michelle or somthing.And to attack anyone who owns seven houses, is most ridiculous. What is wrong with this guy?

Posted by: Jack | August 22, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

How can someone say they are a Democrat and yet believe that McCain is more likely to run his administration in closer accord with the fundamental principles of the Democratic party than the actual Democratic candidate?
Don’t people who say this realize that every single Democrat who is -really- for change in the same way that Hillary was (including Hillary herself) who hears them say this thinks they are a total whine bag?
Can we really afford to waste another 4 years because of a temper tantrum? I think people in this camp are despicable for allowing their personal vendettas to interfere with doing the right thing.

Posted by: Cal | August 22, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

The middle eastern countries want him in because they know he has no knowledge or experience in the defense of this country!
~Gale
This above line is idiotic to say the least.
First of all, the first part of this pathetic argument is false… Who told you this? The M.E. Countries themselves? or as a whole?
The second part is also ridiculous in it’s nature:
lET’S EXAMINE…
She says that Obama has no experience, obviously implying that McSame does have experience.
OH YEAH?
How is it that oyu think he has real experience just because HE GOT CAUGHT?
Wouldn’t that mean that he was actually a poor soldier, who himself knows nothing about defense or war?
He got caught and spent 5 years in captivity and for some reason you clowns think this is a good thing and it’s commendable… Well it’s not.
He was locked up for 5 years because he let himself get caught and in doing so wasn’t around to see what america was going through at home or in the war. He was completely out of touch during that time. But you try and turn it around as if this mistake makes him better suited to be a PRESIDENT?
How so?
That is just dumb, I’m sorry, but it is.
McCAIN Doesn’t have any amount of real decision making experience.
PERIOD~

Posted by: REPUBLICAN4LIFE | August 22, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

THE TRUTH ABOUT MCCAIN:
McCain Fortune Traced To Organized Crime Mob figures later implicated in Arizona savings and loan scandal
By Jerome R. Corsi (C) 2008 WorldNetDaily
John McCain’s personal fortune traces back to organized crime in Arizona, through his father-in-law, according to a report published by a multi-news agency team called Investigative Reporters and Editors Inc. IRE reporters Amy Silverman and John Doherty, writing in the Phoenix New Times, note that the father of McCain’s wife, James Hensley, was convicted by a federal jury in U.S. District Court of Arizona in March 1948 on seven counts of filing false liquor records. Hensley also was charged with conspiracy to hide from federal authorities the names of persons involved in a liquor industry racket with two companies he managed, United Sales Company in Phoenix and United Distributors in Tucson. The umbrella company, United Liquor, at that time held a monopoly in Arizona, organized and managed by Kemper Marley, who was accused of mob ties by a reporter who was murdered in 1977. Silverman and Doherty report that by 1955, Hensley had launched a Budweiser distributorship in Phoenix, “a franchise reportedly bestowed upon him by Marley, who was never indicted in the 1948 liquor-law-violation case – or a subsequent one – despite his controlling role in the liquor distribution businesses.” According to Marley’s longtime public relations man, Al Lizanetz, the Marley liquor empire was founded by the Bronfman family dynasty of Canada which operated Allied Finance Company, Northern Export Company and Distillers Corporation – the Seagrams, Ltd. empire. As chronicled by the “Rumrunners and Prohibition” video shown popularly on the History Channel, during the 1920s, the Bronfman family made millions in bootlegging, accounting for half the illegal liquor crossing the border, working in a profitable distribution deal with the infamous mobster Meyer Lansky, who later moved on to establish the crime syndicates in the casinos of Havana, Cuba, in the 1940s and 50s. Arizona in the 1970s drew a “who’s who” of organized crime figures seeking to retire in the sun, including Rochester, N.Y., mob boss Joe Bonanno, who spent his last days along the Lake Havasu shores and in a quiet home in Tucson. In 1977, after Arizona Republic reporter Don Bolles was killed when his car was blown up by the mob in a parking lot, a team of 36 journalists from 27 news organizations, known as IRE, published an 80,000 word 23-part series on organized crime in Arizona. Dan Nowicki and Bill Muller, reporting in the Arizona Republic March 1, 2007, documented that in 1953, Hensley was again charged with falsifying records at Marley’s liquor firms. Hensley was found not guilty after being defended by William Rehnquist, the future chief justice of the Supreme Court, Nowicki and Muller wrote. In 2000, Hensley, then 80 years old, still controlled the Budweiser distributorship valued as a $200 million-a-year business, with annual sales of more than 20 million cases of beer. On Feb. 17, 2000, Pat Flannery reported in the Arizona Republic that Hensley’s beer-distribution empire was the fifth largest in the nation, “a Budweiser franchise whose bigwigs hold the No. 2 spot on Sen. John McCain’s all-time career list of corporate donors.” Since 1982, according to the Center for Public Integrity, Hensley & Co. officials have pumped $80,000 into the campaigns of McCain, Flannery wrote. More than a quarter of that has been donated since 1997. Flannery further reported that in 2000, Cindy Hensley McCain, the senator’s wife, held a 37.18 percent financial interest in her father’s Budweiser distributorship, although she was not involved in day-to-day operations. The McCain’s four children held a combined 23.55 percent interest, though their interests were at that time held in trust. Arizona crime connections again surfaced in the 1980s when McCain was implicated as one of the five U.S. senators named in the “Keating Five” scandal. Charles Keating Jr. and his associates paid McCain some $112,000 in political campaign contributions between 1982 and 1987, while Keating was organizing a massive real estate fraud in the then FDIC federally insured Lincoln Savings and Loan Association. In April 1986, McCain’s wife and father-in-law also invested $359,000 in a Keating shopping center, before the savings and loan scandal broke. Keating was sent to prison under civil racketeering and fraud charges for the $1.1 billion loss the investment scheme cost the public, although McCain and the other U.S. senators involved managed to avoid charges in the Senate, with McCain receiving only an Ethics Committee rebuke for exercising “poor judgment.” Even today, McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign staff includes several prominent lobbyists, despite the senator’s claim to be a campaign reform crusader whose goal is to take money out of politics. WND previously reported McCain’s 2000 and 2008 campaign manager Rick Davis took a six-figure salary as president of the Soros-funded Reform Institute in the intervening years and managed his own lobby firm of Davis, Manafort & Freeman in Alexandria, Va., operating at the same building in a suite down the hall from the Reform Institute. In 2003 and 2004, Davis apparently solicited CSC Holdings, a subsidiary of the Cablevision Systems Corporation, headed by Charles F. Dolan, to make two separate $100,000 contributions to the Reform Institute. In between the two separate $100,000 contributions Cablevision made to the Reform Institute, McCain, then chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, wrote a letter to the Federal Communications Commission supporting Cablevision’s desire to continue packaging customer TV programming in a manner more profitable to Cablevision. In this period of time, McCain worked with Vicki Iseman, a lobbyist representing telecommunications companies, including Cablevision. WND also reported Davis arranged a 2006 meeting with Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska in Davos, Switzerland, a close supporter of Russian president Vladimir Putin. McCain repeatedly has voiced opposition to Putin, even calling on President Bush to suspend Russia’s membership in the Group of Eight. In 2007, the U.S. State Department cancelled Deripaska’s visa over continuing concerns he remained connected with the Russian mafia.

Posted by: Debbie, Columbia, SC | August 22, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

Hillary Democrats, are core democrats who voted in CLOSED Democratic Primaries. Barack Obama used the DEMOCRAT for a day method.
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You still haven’t given me a single valid reason for choosing McCain over Obama if you agreed with Hillary’s positions. Or if you didn’t agree with Hillary’s positions, your vote/donation was based solely on gender.
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My vote wasnt based on gender. EXPERIENCE ON FOREIGN POLICY, is the main reason a lot of people will vote for McCain. He’s not some newbie with a 143 days as a senator.
Thats my reason for NOT voting for Obama, he is just toooooo green for these troubled times.

Posted by: Patti | August 22, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Obama betrayed me. He said he was for change and against the war.
Then he picks Biden, an old Washington insider who voted for the War.
I was looking forward to voting FOR Obama, now I guess I’ll just be voting AGAINST McCain. Sad, I was hoping Obama would be different…he’s not.

Posted by: Ron | August 23, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

My vote wasnt based on gender. EXPERIENCE ON FOREIGN POLICY, is the main reason a lot of people will vote for McCain. He’s not some newbie with a 143 days as a senator.
Thats my reason for NOT voting for Obama, he is just toooooo green for these troubled times.
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This of course is your opinion.
However being held captive for 5yrs does not foreign experience make.
Graduating out of the last five in your class (as class of over 800) does not show intelligency. Threaten a Russian especailly in a time when our rescources and international support is so low does not display EXPERIENCE ON FOREIGN POLICY. Not knowing where Iraq and Iran are located on the world’s map (especially if you have a war you voted for and still support) does not display EXPERIENCE ON FOREIGN POLICY.
Although Mc Cain’s serves should be respected and greatly appreciated by all Americans; he is not fit to be President at least not because of EXPERIENCE ON FOREIGN POLICY. But of course that is your view. I just want you to look closly at what you’re voting for. We may very well be in WWar III with Mc Cain’s EXPERIENCE ON FOREIGN POLICY.

Posted by: Mille | August 23, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Posted by: Debbie, Columbia, SC | Aug 22, 2008 10:40:03 PM
Thank you.

Posted by: Mille | August 23, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Im not that sure if Hussein Obama hates America with Michelle or somthing.And to attack anyone who owns seven houses, is most ridiculous. What is wrong with this guy?
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The attack is not “on someone that owns seven or ten houses”.
The attack is – you’re trying to paint someone else as an elites or out of touch
when you yourself have so many houses that you can’t remember how many
or where there are. If you’re so out of touch with your very own assest (which is small
compared to all of America) how is it possible for you to be in touch with what this country is going
through. Also it’s another hint as to Mc Cain’s mental state, he’s suppose to
be this big expert on foreign policy, but doesn’t know what country is after the border
of Iraq; or where Afghanistan is located. Mc Cain is too old and too much of a war monger.
It is only Mc Cain who graduated almost last in his class and his most loyal voters take so much
pride in ignorance.

Posted by: Mille | August 23, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

NoBama’s answers in the forum: “uhhh…ummmm…hmmmm…uhhh…hmmmm…ummmm….uhhhhh….thats above my paygrade.”
What a loser Obama is!
McCain 08!
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I agree this response went over my head.
But please, 5 million is rich. No taxes for anyone. Defeat evil.
Neither Mc Cain nor Obama are the losers. Mc Cain’s estimated net worth is 100 million, Obama made
4 million last year on his book sales. Are you anywhere close to these figures???
Didn’t think so; if you where you’d have more important things to do right now, LOSER

Posted by: Mille | August 23, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

A couple of weeks ago we were chatting about Britney and Paris…McCain using images of Moses in his cheesy web commercials…pundits were screaming, Obama needs to respond..well he did at 3:00 a.m. this morning…Hours after Biden’s speech all should realized, Obama has responded to the attacks with a one two Biden punch. When we bounce after the convention we will be on cloud 9. It’s over Obama haters. We have sealed the deal.

Posted by: clarity | August 24, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am

Despite the fact that Clinton won in 1992 in part because of Perot votes, and because of the women’s vote, comparison to Bush’s poor record by Obama-Biden does America and Clinton a great injustice – since anything is nearly better than what America has been though in the last eight years.
But Clinton was surprisingly successful in his terms, and in extending greater prosperity to the nation that was badly needed then, and badly needed now.
Obama-Biden relying upon the Bush poor record is not enough to get elected given his lack of experience and his radical departure from old-shoe politics even with the addition of Biden.
Change never relied upon color before, and the probability that it needs to be tied in to that perception is irrational at best. As that reality becomes more apparent, it is the recipe for yet another third party showing amidst the hypocrisy that has become American politics every four years – none of which can be tied to any one candidate, any one policy, nor any one group. The message is in the mix however of how pandering to fallacies can create a worse world, not a better one.
Without clarity, Americans have no extra advantage against the flaws of world politics that is closer by the day, and radical departures from its traditional Constitutional principles merely moves it closer to the abyss.
American democracy and rational capitalism cannot afford to be pushed through a maze to see what comes out on the other side; it is surely to be an unacceptable option from what were her beginnings that have allowed her to endure for 400 years – so far. But past performance doesn’t guarantee future results – that phrase is all too visible and apparent in today’s politics. Gambling with people’s lives still leaves an uncertainty no one is willing to bank on, or bet on, and that is today’s reality – in black and white.

Posted by: Pat | August 24, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

If a man divorces a loyal wife who was injured in an auto accident and mrries a beautiful 25 year old blond with tons of money (with whom he cheated whil still married), does he not also abandon his first children also? How can that person be a moral person; especially since he has lost count of the houses in which he lives. NOne being a home. Why should anyone want to vote for such a man? He was a prisoner of war and is a prisoner of a failed president’s failed ideas. Moral? Hero? A man who was shot down while flying low because he was bombing civilian as well as military sites? A man who has been part of 28 years of the 30 year problems of the U.S? A man who admitedly is not informed well enough about economy? mc Cain? Did he not slay his own brother in the bible. Enough id enough. MacCain does not represent the change that will return this great nation to its days of pride and glory. I want my trillions of mis-spent tax dollars misspent on big oil and in an invasion of a foreign nation back? I want this lost eight years of opportunity back. I want my civil liberties back, as well as my privacy back. I want my grandchildren to live in an America where a man or woman, whether he/she be white or black is not swift boated or hanging chadded so that the greedy and selfish can win an election

Posted by: gus | August 24, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

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