More on the Cone of Not-So-Silence
Regarding the revelation that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was not in a "cone of silence" after all while Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, answered questions from Pastor Rick Warren, a couple points….
1) The McCain campaign’s vitriol against NBC’s Andrea Mitchell is odder still when you consider that the McCain campaign’s blogger Michael Goldfarb was quoting her very same reporting approvingly as evidence that the Obama campaign was a bunch of whiners.
2) The McCain campaign’s responses so far are entirely focused on McCain’s geography and whether or not he himself could hear and see Obama being questioned.
To wit: McCain adviser Charlie Black told CNN, "We were in motorcade until 5:30 p.m. ET; then a holding room in another building with no TV."
Nothing that I’ve seen so far from the McCain campaign touches on whether or not any aides with McCain were getting reports on their Blackberries or cell phones on the questions Obama was getting and then sharing them with McCain.
- jpt
UPDATE: ABC News’ Ron Claiborne, traveling with the McCain campaign, reports that McCain senior adviser Charlie Black would not say whether people around McCain while he was en route to Rick Warren’s forum had access to blackberries and cell phones from which they could have tipped off Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., about the questions.
"There’s no reason we would do that," was all Black would say, though quite obviously there is a reason.
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Thanks for pointing that out. That’s what I have been saying since last night.
Their denials seem VERY narrow to me and I know how lawyers do it. This sounds like legalese caution to me.
Posted by: Benjamin | August 18, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
what is sadder is his simple answers.
They make sense now…because they didn’t sound like he listened and was giving a thoughful answer. They did sound like talking points that he was told to give for an answer.
especially considering about 2/3 rds of his answers were exact 30 second sound bites from his campaign speeches that I personall have heard several times.
This was not a “thinking ” Presidential answer debate…
this was a “campaigning” presidential set of answers… talking points
exactly like…drum ro;;… GW Bush III.
and look what 8 years of that has gotten us.
Posted by: dl | August 18, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
I knew it was too good to be true. McCain answers seemed so thought out and calculated. For every question he turned it into a political answer.
And notice by the time he was in the cone of silence room the questions followed after are where McCain started giving ridiculous answers.
When asked when does a person enter the “rich” category from “middle class”, McCain response was $5,000,000.
Out of touch with the average American.
Posted by: Vanessa | August 18, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
This whole imbroglio is utterly
ridiculous. Although Warren did a better job than any recent moderator from the ‘press’, the questions were still stupid and trivial, and the answers banal.
This is what passes for political discourse in the early 21st century. Shame.
Another joint press conference. Both parties and the media join up with the church to keep the American people as uninformed as ever.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
You have to have a sense of Humour. This will be Mccains response when caught in his own web of deception!
Mark my words!
Posted by: Elitist | August 18, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Have you noticed it is the same exact folks that worked to get George W Bush and his failed policies elected who are working to get McCain and the continiuation of Bush’s failed policies elected?
I guess the Repubes like failure.
Posted by: SAME PEOPLE AS GW BUSH | August 18, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
I don’t care if McCain knew the answers or not, although I don’t believe he did. I will still vote for him, and I’ve never voted Republican before. The Republicans are trying to portray him as a empty suit. That’s not too hard to do, because that’s exactly what he is. His answers on Saturday night proved as much.
Posted by: Dottie Bailey | August 18, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
McCain must be smart as a whip and quick on his feet to be able to remember his answers with so little time between his and Obama’s questioning. Oh wait, that doesn’t make sense. I thought one of the complaints about him is that he’s senile. Hmmmm.
Posted by: Kitty | August 18, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
It is funny lord did not know the answer.
McCain was always and remains straight shooter. That is why we call Straight-Talk Express.
He did not say “It is above my pay grade” when he running for the highest office in the country may be in the world.
Obama supporters, Just Accept the fact that Obama was not specific and did not do well
Posted by: tom | August 18, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Replublicans are a party full of cheaters- CHEAT YOUR WIFE, CHEAT YOUR COUNTRY AND WAGE A WRONG WAR, AND CHEAT IN THE ELECTIONS.
Again, democrats risk losing these elections being fair and nice.
Its time that we take these elections into our hands and raise awareness about the Republican party’s wrongdoings.
Posted by: ANGRY, NJ | August 18, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
That’s a smart catch, Jake. McCain hasn’t really denied the biggest issue here: Did McCain get ANY prior knowledge about the questions? If he didn’t, why doesn’t his campaign just say no. This is all very peculiar.
Posted by: TruthSeekr | August 18, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Smart people do not repeat an allegation when denying it. Awhile back, one of these bloggers wrote a piece about this. You never repeat the allegation when denying it. It’s the smart thing to do. The McCain people are too smart to fall into this trap, and that makes me sleep well at night thinking of him as president.
Posted by: Kitty | August 18, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
McCain the cheat. What a disgrace. Egg on his face. This, by the way, doesn’t excuse that foolish “above my paygrade” answer Obama gave.
Posted by: Kevin | August 18, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
I personally coud care less what religous crazies think and this type of “format” as you call it is unconstitutional. There shall be no religous test for the presencey ring a bell?
But anyone who thinks life starts when an egg and sperm meet is crazy…. Thats like saying dinosaur bones are just here to test you faith.
Posted by: Joe | August 18, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
During one point of the discussion, McCain was asked about evil. Then he went into a diatribe about Osamabin Ladin. He said he knows where he is, how to catch him, etc.
So why doesn’t he tell some one on the ground over there?
Or is he black mailing the Country. Vote for him or bin Laden gets away??
Kinda childish . . . . .
Posted by: DAVID NH | August 18, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time.
Why wouldn’t Obama agree to that?
Posted by: Sally J. | August 18, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Kevin,
I didn’t see the “above my paygrade” answer as being, lame, snyde or silly. I thought he was referring to an answer that was more in league with God’s wisdom and knowledge. I don’t think he wanted to try to “interpret God’s knowledge.”
. . . .Way beyond human understanding comes to mind.
Posted by: DAVID NH | August 18, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Democratic voter registration is up in every state in the union, that means numbers, voters who were silent & didn’t feel their voted really counted. many people have kicked themselves in the rear for allowing the last 8 years under a Republican, people are motivated and will elect Obama because of his depth of the issues and the solutions needed, Come November i can start looking for healthcare for me and my family and for every other citizen also. Change that is going to happen!
Obama 08
Posted by: Elitist | August 18, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
OMG
The questions ask, were not that hard to answer.
There was no right answer or wrong answer, They were personal answers.
Is Baby Bama ashamed of something he said?
Time to for Obama camp to Grow up!
Posted by: seah | August 18, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Senator Obama – what’s your viewpoint on anything .. anything at all?
“Well .. umm .. Michelle and I .. the kids .. yes we can .. umm .. Hilary .. umm ..
Thank you Senator!
Posted by: Dewey Cox | August 18, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
McCain’s actions Sat nite just prove the point: he will do and say anything to get elected – even lie and cheat.
Posted by: bernadette | August 18, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Even if McCain knew the questions beforehand, and had prepared answers – he still came off as a bitter, war-mongering curmudgeon.
On the question of ‘evil’ I knew what his response would be – whether it be prepared or not.
Posted by: Deep Release | August 18, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Senator Obama’s “above my paygrade” was an appropriate and humble response to a question that no human being’s been able to answer to everyone’s satisfaction.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | August 18, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Ahh cmon people – just admit it! Your in-experienced candidate got whipped .. SEE why he won’t participate in town hall meetings with McCain?? No excuses .. like you say to Hilary supporters “move on”! He was made to look like the absolute worthless fool he is ..
Posted by: Mj | August 18, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
dewey… I take it that you didn’t listen to the forum. Sen Obama answered all the questions with openess and candor. McCain told stories after every quesrtion. Which means he didn’t feel comfortable answering any question. The only question he answerws, besides the abortion one, was that he would do ANYTHING to get Bin Laden.
Posted by: cindyct | August 18, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Obama knew what the first two questions were, yet he stumbled his way through them.
He took a dig at Clarence Thomas for no good reason.
Is all the talk about the Cone of Silence supposed to help us imagine that if Obama had just known the questions, he would have done much better?
Posted by: MayBee | August 18, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
“When asked when does a person enter the “rich” category from “middle class”, McCain response was $5,000,000.”
That’s a silly answer to a silly question. No one thinks they are rich until they have so much money they can’t spend it all even if they try.
The tide is turning. Obama is coming off more and more as inexperienced. ‘Nuanced’ has become the code word for ‘rambling until Obama can think of a reply’.
OTOH, McCain’s ‘life at conception’ answers will rattle a lot of people who don’t want to revisit this issue.
Posted by: len | August 18, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
So, McCain broke the agreed-upon rules of the event. There’s no way to know whether or not he cheated-that’s the problem. I watched the forum and on several questions he answered before Warren even finished.
The campaign’s faux outrage that a POW couldn’t possibly cheat is amusing given that the right-wing defense of McCain’s cheating on his first wife is that…he was a POW!
Posted by: Ruth | August 18, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Obama’s camp has gotten very good at creating a diversion when they feel something is about to hurt their candidate.
When Hillary Clinton won W Virginia, John Edwards endorsed Obama.
When Ryan Lizza wrote a not-entirely flattering piece about Obama in the New Yorker, a “controversy” arose about the cover art, drowning out any conversation about the article inside.
When Obama didn’t go to Landstuhl, accusations against the Pentagon (and Mitchell reported McCain’s people had a hand in this, according to the Obama camp) wouldn’t let them go. Then the discussion became about McCain’s ad. All kept the focus off the fact that Obama chose not to go to Lanstuhl.
Now Obama didn’t do well in this forum, and the “Cone of Silence” is suddenly important.
It’s a pattern.
Posted by: MayBee | August 18, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
WHO CARES?…………McCAIN’S ANSWERS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME……THE MAN KNOWS WHO HE IS, WHAT HE STANDS FOR, WHAT HE BELIEVES IN, WHAT HIS PLANS ARE…..FOR GODDSAKES MOVE ON. He made jokes about the questions getting any easier and seemed very spontaneous throughout. Angry Obama supporters, your fear is showing…..didn’t think the old guy could do it, huh? Didn’t think a debate/forum with McCain would be a challange? (BO will only accept 3, because he knows this is a weakness of his). McCain was energized like he always is, but since media doesn’t cover him like obama, who would know?
Maybe obama is tired from all his vacation activities….and needs a little R and R. Why does he always seem so layed back, lacking energy….especially when he ran against Hillary. I think he needs B-12 shots or something for such a young guy.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!!!!
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Sen. Obama’s campaign and his supporters must be really running scared now! Instead of acknowledging that the old man got the best of Sen. Obama, they have to smear him with the same old Far Left tactics.
You Obama supporters need to pay closer attention to the details of Sen. Obama’s tax plan. He SAYS he will raise the taxes on those making at least $250,000 and lower the taxes on those making less than $150,000.
Here are the latest IRS statistics (updated July 2008) for the year 2006:
The Top 1% — 1.36 million individual federal income tax returns reported an Adjusted Gross Income greater than $388,806.
The Top 2%-5% — 5.43 million individual federal income tax returns reported an AGI greater than $153,542.
NOTE: The report does not include a specific breakdown for the percentage of individual federal income tax returns reporting an AGI of at least $250,000. So I am estimating that 45% of the Top 2%-5% reported at least $250,000. So that would equate to 2.44 million individual federal income tax returns.
Using the IRS figures in conjuction with my estimate, that would mean that in 2006 approximately 3.8 million individual federal income tax returns reported an AGI of at least $250,000. AND this group accounted for approximately 48.9% of the total federal income tax revenue received in 2006.
Do you really believe that 4 million people can provide ALL of the funding necessary for Obama’s handouts to the rest of the 300 million people living in the United States? And even if they could, isn’t that giving the “evil” wealthy class even more power over the purse strings…over you?
Posted by: James Danley | August 18, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Typical McBush… a bunch of cheaters. What a crap, no wonder McCain tried to give the answers before he could forget. So much for honesty in his under his administration and the validation of the pastor who conducted the exchange. Politics and religion should not mix.
Posted by: Eddie Zalez | August 18, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Can you imagine having Obama as a neighbor and seeking his advice on how to grow tomatoes? After you ask him – grab a chair and a beer .. it’s going to take hours for him to explain!!
Posted by: Carol | August 18, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
What was so apparent was McCain was energized and quick to answer because HE’S SURE OF HIMSELF AND NOT DANCING AROUND ANSWERS TO TRY AND APPEASE EVERYONE LIKE OBAMA DOES. So McCain’s answers were easier for him to articulate…..matter of fact, my husband was frustrated because RICK WARREN HAD TO KEEP FINISHING OBAMA’S ANSWERS FOR HIM! The guy is a stammering, horrible communicator. Now I get his attraction to his “old uncle” Rev. Wright….who had a way with words in front of a crowd. I find it interesting that in a faith forum, Obama couldn’t bring up the one man who “brought him to Christ”, the Rev. Wright…..as dad was Muslim and mom an Atheist. Someone has payed Wright off to keep quiet until Nov. 5, when he starts his book tour.
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
You all act as if George Bush has personally put your #### in the gutter .. take some responsibility and realize it’s just your own personal shortcomings!
Posted by: Dolts | August 18, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
2/3 of US corporations paid NO corporate taxes between 1998 and 2005. Their effective tax rate is 0%.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Well it’s obvious that Obama had prior knowledge of at least one question. When asked about adoption he said, “I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea.”
So apparently the brouhaha shouldn’t be whether or not McCain knew the questions (obviously Obama had at least some idea of what they would be; therefore, we can assume McCain did as well). The question is whether or not McCain heard Obama’s answers and quickly formulated his own to be superior – and that’s quite a reach considering McCain said what he always says, plus threw in a few personal stories which I thought was great in this format.
The real question is: If Obama knew the questions beforehand, why were his answers so discombobulated and rambling; shouldn’t he have been better prepared and performed better? This whole thing is an attempt by the Obama camp to divert attention away from Obama’s poor performance, or to somehow justify it by blaming McCain. Bottom line: Obama isn’t ready to be POTUS and it shows in forums such as this.
Posted by: marylou | August 18, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
All McCain needed was one of his aides to have a cell phone with Internet capabilities. The forum was being live blogged everywhere. If you notice they said they did not “hear or see” anything about the questions. But the better question is whether they ‘read’ any of the questions. Do they think we are stupid?
Posted by: P | August 18, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
McCain is well known as a good town hall style speaker – that’s why Obama’s campaign has repeatedly turned down the idea that they hold joint town halls, or even share the stage at Warren’s shindig. So I have to love it now – all Obama fans can do is try and portray McCain as a cheater/liar/etc … what happened to your guy that you’re not stressing his positives? (Were there any? – no, because he Obombed!)
Posted by: kls | August 18, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Why wasn’t McCain at the church? That would seem to be the place he was supposed to be. Why was he late? What were the safegaurds to make sure McCain was out of the loop on questions asked of Obama?
Posted by: MIKE | August 18, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
marylou,
Obama did not cheat – both candidates were given the first two questions in advance, that’s what Obama was referring to.
Does anyone really think that the unethical Rovian types McCain hired wouldn’t feed him the rest of the questions? Please.
Posted by: trudy | August 18, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Carol,
Growing excellent tomatoes is an art. If you want info on how to do it, you’d be better off going to Obama if he were your neighbor. Megabucks McCain would probably say, send your maid to the grocery store.
And kls, it was McCain’s camp who bailed on the town hall meetings after the Obama camp said are you nuts saying one a week? How about several instead?
Posted by: trudy | August 18, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
This is garbage, there were no trick questions that McCain needed to know about before his turn. Why isn’t the “The Obama Nation” being analyzed by the media for what is true and what’s not?
Posted by: Vote Hillary | August 18, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
I guess it’s McCain’s fault that Obama rambled on forever with “thoughtful” responses rather than give a straight answer.
McCain must have told Obama to say “it’s above my pay grade when asked about a baby’s right. What a weak answer.
It’s always someones elses fault if Obama looks weak–Hillary and Bill, Rev Wright, Charlie and George, Fox/Hannity,his absent father.
McCain wasn’t afraid to take a stand on the issues, Obama straddled the fence as usual. Rather than admit Obama’s weakness just accuse McCain of cheating.
Posted by: riley | August 18, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
If I was in Obama’s camp, I WILL SHUT MY MOUTH, this makes Obama seems weaker.
Obama did well, let’s not play kindergarten games…
Posted by: frieda | August 18, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
When McCain gave the choked up, and oh so fake, “failure of my first marriage” answer I knew he had been prepped.
He ripped through the questions like a hot knife through butter; even Warren had to comment on his speed.
We’ll see how he does at the debates when the questions are wide ranging, focused on policy ( even economics ) and not known in advance.
Posted by: Richard | August 18, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
So it’s McCain’s fault that Barry performed poorly? Even if Barry knew the questions before hand, he still would have fumbled and bumbled. He is nothing without his teleprompter.
Posted by: Mack | August 18, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
McCain did know what the questions were beforehand. At one point during the “interview”, he asked when Pastor Warren was going to get back to the “Supreme Court” question when Pastor Warren had not even asked the question of him yet. He is a snake in the grass and his behavior shows that he cannot be trusted to lead this country. With this kind of behavior, I would not be at all surprised if McCain wins the presidency just like Bush did, by literally stealing it!!!
Posted by: Lauren | August 18, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
McCain`s anwers were all bites from his stump speeches. They were all premeditatted. However Obama was more thoughtful and answered the questions intelligently.
Buttomline Obama won more moderates and independents while McCain told the right what they wanted to hear.
Posted by: Krista | August 18, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Please vote for McCain so my beloved George W Bush’s legacy will not be tarnished by a repudiation of his policies.
Posted by: I Love George W Bush | August 18, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
The complete transcript is available on the internet. I think Obama supporters are reaching for proof that simply isn’t there. McCain answered the questions decisively and if a topic was mentioned or he himself introduced a topic, he was able to draw from his wealth of experience and opinions to give an in-depth answer. The fact that Obama can’t do the same, doesn’t mean McCain cheated in any way.
Posted by: marylou | August 18, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
I don’t think this has anything really to do with the incident. I think it may have everything to do with Davis vs. Mitchell heated discussion that ocurred about 2 weeks ago on MSNBC. It was via phone and lasted about 15 min. It was tense.
Posted by: Carol | August 18, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Obama is rambling on so much that even his fellow Democrats are telling him to get to the point.
I think it was the governor from TN that said Obama should stop the huge rallies and give 10 word responses to people at Wal-Mart. Ouch!
Maybe Mac’s informal townhalls are more meaningful to regular voters. The ones that want real answers and not just empty slogans like: Hope and Change.
Posted by: cindy in nc | August 18, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Richard at ll:50…Warren commented at McCain’s speed, as he had to finish Obama’s bumbling answers! It was refreshing to see an energized and ready candidate….I think McCain too, has to be sharp and quick, because of all the Obama/media attacks on his age. This is a man who knows who he is, what he stands for, and what he wants to do for this country HE LOVE. McCain….ALL AMERICAN….COUNTRY FIRST!
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
So how did McCain know he was going to be asked about supreme court judges?
Am I the only one that noticed this?
Posted by: Keith | August 18, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
I suppose next we will hear “fake but accurate” from NBC as a defense.
McCain has a much larger complaint against NBC, than Mitchell’s reporting, and justifiably so.
I distinctly remember the “What kind of ice cream report does Obama like” while a very few fair reporters were reporting Obamas views on important issues. Not to mention leg tingles and the cartoon fest during the European tour
Posted by: smith | August 18, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
So, this man who many claim is too old to be President, claims he is senile and not on his game is suppose to, in an hour or so, remember all the questions Warren ask of Obama and then be Johnny on the spot with the answers?
Has the Obama camp come down with paranoia or just sore at not looking so hot in front of so many?
Posted by: david | August 18, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
If McCain wasn’t in the cone of silence, or in the building, why did he say he was trying to hear the questions through the wall? I guess McCain doesn’t believe in the Commandment, thou shall not bear false witness.
Posted by: AkaDad | August 18, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
trudy, the adoption question was near the end of the forum; it certainly wan’t one of the first two. Again, the complete transcript is readily available on the internet (although the one I saw did omit Obama’s gaffe where he started to say that Clarence Thomas was too inexperienced to be appointed to the Supreme Court; they omitted all of his mumbles in the name of sanity for the reader).
And if Obama had the first two questions – Michelle and his typical white grandmother is the best he could come up with? Really?? The deeper you dig into this guy, the shallower he becomes!
Just admit that Obama did poorly and stop blaming McCain.
Posted by: marylou | August 18, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Come on…. why can’t everyone just imagine that McCain was comfortable in who he is. He does well in this kind of intimate one on one setting because it highlights his experience and wisdom.
Posted by: rafraf | August 18, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
McCain should have shown up on time. Ronald Reagan was never late.
Posted by: cincyr | August 18, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Belichick, you wrote: “I can’t believe that a republican would bend the rules a little.”
I can’t believe you Obama supporters (and apparently some in the media) have convicted Sen. McCain of cheating when there is no evidence that Sen. McCain knew the questions in advance. You Obama supporters must be so desperate because your candidate can’t shake off the old man. The latest polls by Rasmussen Tracking and Gallup Tracking have the race as Obama up by one and a TIE, respectively.
But even worse, after the old man cleaned Sen. Obama’s clock on Saturday evening, you must now be really worried that next week’s speech by Sen. Clinton might persuade enough delegates to change their mind and rob Sen. Obama of his nomination during the roll call vote.
Posted by: James Danley | August 18, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
This is so beyond lowbrow and dirty politics that I am deeply ashamed that our media has stooped so low.
McCain would have to be a bloody genius to recall these questions if told in a motorcade just minutes before his arrival at the church. Smutty and despicable is how I view this.
And as far as I am concerned Andrea Mitchell has lost all credibility. To most Americans this will look like a bad job of discrediting McCain as he is percieved to have come across better in this particular forum than Barack did.
Best defense is a good offense and this is what I see here.
Now I am going to take a shower…..
Posted by: i am so I can!!!! | August 18, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
The point is that the Reverend claimed that McCain was sheltered from hearing or knowing questions in advance. The whole staged event is disgusting anyway – since when does this country turn into Iran and need some “evangelical” approval of our presidential candidates?
I don’t even know why anyone should vote this year. I’m tired of hearing about everyone’s “faith” guiding them as they drive the country into the toilet.
Posted by: kevinbgoode | August 18, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
You know, the real world is complex, as are the many issues that confront us and especially our next President. Important, world turning situations tend to be much more gray than black or white. We have suffered through 9 awful years of a President who shot from the hip, trusted his gut, and spoke in black and white. It got us 9/11, wars, a rotten economy, a weak dollar, the return of authoritarianism in Russia and China, more pollution, higher gas prices, more economic inequality, and a world that thinks much less of our nation.
Those of you who only want simple slogans, please grow up and recognize that lengthy answers and the thoughtful selection or words is how a future President should respond!
Posted by: Arch | August 18, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
McCain agreed to be at Saddleback before the interview. He wasn’t.
When asked about it by Warren… he pretended he had been waiting there all along.
If he broke his word in those two instances…. why is it so unthinkable that he would lie about a third?
McCain got caught red-handed… and he is jumping out of his skin and hiding behind his POW status to change the subject.
…Lying like that in a Church. Shameful.
Posted by: blip | August 18, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
“Has the Obama camp come down with paranoia or just sore at not looking so hot in front of so many?”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 18, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
They did not need Blackberries or a TV – I listened to the entire thing live on satellite radio.
Posted by: Paige | August 18, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Of course McCain cheated. The man has never made it through an entire sentence without making a blunder and now he sails through a 90-minute session with obviously scripted answers, even answering questions before they are asked? Add to that his performance in light of his onset Dementia problem and it becomes ever-more clear that he was given the questions ahead of time.
Posted by: Jane | August 18, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
i love how you people can claim obama is egotistical and arrogant
seems like mccain is just as egotistical and arrogant
which is to say not at all
but if thats all you got… good luck
Posted by: bhrandon | August 18, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
It’s not a surprise McCain cheated at this forum, he is not a Christian. He became a Baptist but was never Baptized. He shows up at church for the photo ops. Why else would he steal the “cross in the sand” story from a Russian author and use it to pander to the “agents of intolerance” crowd.
Posted by: Jim | August 18, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
So let me get this straight.
1. Warren is talking about the ‘cone of silence’ days before the forum. It’s not a secret.
2. McCain agrees to arrive on time, doesn’t, and doesn’t admit it to Warren. (Whether by commission or omission, it’s still wrong and misleading the public.)
3. McCain (or at least his team) surely can figure out how this will look to the public.
Conclusion: McCain is just like Bush when it comes to misleading the public. Neither of them care.
Posted by: Tom J | August 18, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Pastor Warren has some ‘splanin to do tonight on Larry King. He is the real loser with this “Live From the No-Cone Zone” event.
I actually think he got played by the McCain campaign pretty bad. Although, it was Warren’s job to protect the sanctity of the “cone”.
Posted by: eogden | August 18, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
If you’ve ever watched a Mccain townhall you know he never comes close to answering questions as quickly as he did at the church. Now Rick Warren is admitting not only did he give Mccain the questions ahead of time so he could be coached, Mccain had the opportunity to hear Obama. This whole thing was a sham.
Posted by: Jeremy | August 18, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
jackt51….McCain has answers at the ready because he does this EVERYDAY and is sure of who he is and what he stands for and believes in. Obama just wants to get elected so has to do the dance, and understanding him sometimes is too time consuming. He doesn’t impress Americans when even his own party says he needs to answer a question and then briefly explain.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
McCain’s status as a former POW shields him from all necessity to tell the truth or play by the rules he agreed to.
How DARE anyone expect him to do anything dishonorable?
Posted by: athena | August 18, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
I loathe the idea that religion and politics are so intertwined..the IRS ought to start investigating this “Saddleback Church” and see if they still deserve their tax exemption.
Rick Warren, with his plump smugness reminds me so much of Jerry Falwell….anyone else notice this?
McCain has some very loyal and desperate handlers…fresh from the Rovian seminars. Better believe those BlackBerries were burning up, fingers flying over the keys….they couldn’t allow McCain to be his usual bumbling self—not in front of The Base!
Posted by: MizLiz | August 18, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Do you have any idea how few christian viet cong there were in Vietnam in the early ’70s? The chances of that story actually happening to Mccain are almost nonexistent.
Posted by: Jeremy | August 18, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
“…Now Rick Warren is admitting not only did he give Mccain the questions ahead of time so he could be coached, Mccain had the opportunity to hear Obama. This whole thing was a sham….”
HUH? REally? What’s the source for this? I wonder if “The Base” will see anything wrong and immoral about this. Probably not.
Posted by: MizLiz | August 18, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
luster coming off mccain’s performance by the hour. looking more like a fool….
Posted by: kravitz | August 18, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
I’ll post again…Jeremy, anything McCain got in advance OBAMA GOT TOO, and even if he heard Obama’s first 3 answeres (as it took about a half an hour to hear three)….the best he got was Obama thinks Michell and granny are two of the wisest people he knows. Did Warren say who you might put in your cabinet tho.
Anyway….Obama was probably trying to appease the Hillary group with that lame answer.
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
if “Pastor” Warren can LIE in a church, why can’t mccain and his campaign lie outside a church?
Posted by: johnosahon | August 18, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
“It got us 9/11…”
Doubtful. The planning for 9/11 and other events (remember the bombing of the Trade Center pre-Bush), were underway long before Bush took the Oath.
I don’t support Shrub, but history shows radical Islamism as a long brewing problem for which no US administration has had a satisfactory response. The one thing Bush did right was take it to them in Afghanistan.
Posted by: len | August 18, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
McCain would not have answered the questions any differently even if he knew the questions beforehand, its a mute point. I really wish I could put a cone of silience around all these people in the blogs and in the “media” who are “whinning” about this. I don’t agree with all McCains policies, but at least I know what he stands for unlike the “O’Change” guy!
Posted by: Jim | August 18, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Bring on the debates and let’s move on1 I’m only sorry the “protected one” has only agreed to 3. I don’t think that’s enough for the American public to see the bumbling Nobama underperform up against McCain. Life experience, knowledge, confidence (NOT ARROGANCE) comes across with McCain…as was apparent Saturday and now all the Obots are scared and angrier than usual.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!!!!!
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
I get the sense from some of you on this blog that any answers not delivered as a 30 second soundbite or commercial is suspect. For all the bravado from the Obama bashers why don’t any of you step up to the plate and ‘prove’ life at conception? Iregardless of what your personal belief and choices are – why do so many of you insist others must do and behave as they do? “Above my pay grade” is the most truthful answer. The old guy knew his audience and which answers would win him the popularity contest.
Bravo Obama for being thoughtful, insightful and honest!!!
Posted by: Prometheus | August 18, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
I didn’t want Donna Brazille making the decision regarding delegates based on her grandmother, and I don’t want a president making decisions based on the input of his grandmother and wife. I bet if asked the same question last year, Obama would have said Rev Wright.
Posted by: Lisa S | August 18, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Warren asked all these vague softball questions, and both candidates did very well in this forum. The big loser of course, is the public, since we learned very little of substance from either and nothing of policy at all.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Lisa…excellent point.
Posted by: i am so I can!!!! | August 18, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
“McCain would not have answered the questions any differently even if he knew the questions beforehand, its a mute(sic) point.”
Its not so much knowing the questions as it is knowing your opponents answers.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
I agree with Lisa…Wright would have been on Obama’s list of 3 wisest….and yet how ironic at this forum on faith…Obama can’t bring his name up and Wright was the one “who brought him to Christ”? Wow….hypocrisy at it’s best.
Speaking of the “three wisest” question, did Warren end it with “someone you might have in your cabinet?”
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
It turns out it didn’t matter at all that McCain knew the questions and answers beforehand. I just went through the transcript and there isnt anything that he hasn’t already said in a stump speech in there. All he did was regurgitate pat answers to vague questions. I don’t blame him for that though. And its hard to blame Warren either, because he did just as well as any of the MSM ‘moderators’ have.
Its time to get rid of these joint press conferences. If we arent going to have real debates, they are worse than nothing.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Anyone who can’t smell what these carefully worded non-answers from the McCain campaign really mean, hasn’t been paying attention for the last eight years.
McCain and his lobbyists have learned from the best.
Posted by: JP | August 18, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Mike, if McCain knew Obama’s first three answers I don’t think the end result of this forum would be any different unless, McCain said his three wisest people were his 96 year old mom, Cindy and then list several Dem and Rep lawmakers (as Obama did).
This is all such a non story.
Bring on the debates!
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Anyone else taken aback by McCain’s comments that he wouldn’t nominate Souter, Ginsberg or Breyer to the Supreme Court? If he wouldn’t nominate them, why did he vote for all three of them?
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | August 18, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Mike ….Its a mute point. Niether McCain nor Obama agree on very much at all. I don’t care if you asked them who there favorite TeleTubby is! They each would give a different answer. My favorite is “PO”
Posted by: Jim | August 18, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
He also told a story as a POW that he stole from a BOOK….The man is a LIAR and is not qualified to be Preisdent, he has LIED over and over and that is not something ANYONE would want in a President, we have had that for 8 yrs
Posted by: McCain is a LIAR | August 18, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Belle Starr…I would bet Wright has been threatened or paid off, but I bet all will be revealed in a book one day….I know it…he has 20 years of stories of the guy who almost became the first black President.
I wish Colin Powell had run so racism wouldn’t have been such a factor in this election. I would have no problem voting for a Colin or Condi….just not Nobama.
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
This story “forgot” to mention that both candidates were given heads-up on some of the more tough questions.
This story also “forgot” to mention that Obama brought this up during the debate.
Posted by: ynot4tony2 | August 18, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
“ABC News’ Ron Claiborne, traveling with the McCain campaign, reports that McCain senior adviser Charlie Black would not say whether people around McCain while he was en route to Rick Warren’s forum had access to blackberries and cell phones from which they could have tipped off Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., about the questions. ”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why couldn’t he just say “No, it didn’t happen.”
Because it did.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | August 18, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Jeremy…oops.. your right moot not mute, I still like “PO”
Posted by: Jim | August 18, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
So glad this non story is not getting any traction on the cable news shows….it’s all about Obama PICKING A VP AND MAKING A SAFE CHOICE! Who will that be? Biden will outshine him, so that’s not the way to go. How about Michelle….she’s tops in his WISE column?
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Why isn’t this front page news!!
If Obama went second and the same news came out, I am certain that it would be a front page event.
I watched the forum twice only because it was disturbing to me, now it is even more disturbing!
Posted by: artifact | August 18, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Dom….working for years in Government and across party isles is WHAT QUALIFIES SENATOR JOHN SYDNEY McCAIN, not his POW experience. That just demonstrates his love for this country and our freedoms!
McCAIN ’08/HILLARY ’12
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
“There’s no reason we would do that,” says Lobbyist Black.
Well, I’m convinced. Nothing to see here.
Posted by: BBpd | August 18, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Geeze all you Obama supporters…. admit that McCain kicked his butt. And get used to that, because McCain will kick his butt election day too.
Posted by: . | August 18, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Just read a story about a women in a Western Galilee village who had an abortion in the fifth month of her pregancy due to internal bleeding. The baby was pronounced dead and place in a cooler. When the husband came to take the baby home for burial, it was breathing. It is now in the intensive care ward in Nahariya Hospital.
I’m just saying…
Posted by: JL | August 18, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Why would anyone believe what Obama’s camp says about anything. After Obama lying about his vote in the Illinois Senate to kill a “born alive” bill, why would anyone believe what he says?
Posted by: Vote Hillary | August 18, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
And to think I just thought he had one to many shots of espresso prior to his Saddleback adventure…
Let’s face it…McCain’s performance even shocked our repub windbag Buchanon.
I questioned whether or not he previewed the questions…He was just to on his game….
We all already knew McCain had cheating in him – he all but came out and said it in his Saddleback performance.
Once a cheat always a cheat…..
Now how will all those Evangelicals feel about Mr.McCain cheating in their house God??????
Jake if you let this one go…..I will be very dissapointed…Keep on Camp Cheating McCain.
Posted by: HeatherinVT | August 18, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Andrea Mitchell is as objective (and as honorable) as reporters come. So, the question remains: Did McCain have access to the questions and/or Obama’s responses? I watched both candidates and McCain seemed to anticipate some of the questions. He asked Rick Warren if he was about to “get to” a certain question. Rick Warren also seemed to lead him on many of the responses. He certainly did add more of a helping explanation to some of them, which I found to be truly disconcerting.
Waiting to Exhale
Posted by: Waiting to Exhale | August 18, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
waiting to exhale….McCain seemed quick because Obama is long winded. My husband became frustrated BECAUSE WARREN HAD TO HELP OABMA FINISH HIS ANSWERS….PLAY IT BACK AND LISTEN!
McCAIN….A CANDIDATE WHO KNOWS WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE STANDS FOR!
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
I WAS STRUCK FOR ONE THING BY THE PEOPLE EACH CANDIDATE SAID THEY WOULD USE AS THEIR TOP ADVISORS. OBAMA SAID HIS WIF AND MOTHER? AM I CORRECT? MCCAIN SAID GENERAL PETREAOUS (?) COULD ANYONE TELL ME.
Posted by: NJ | August 18, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Debra, I noticed that Warren helped McCain finish his answers and expanded them too. It was irritating/
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
“Andrea Mitchell is as objective (and as honorable) as reporters come.”
She never discloses that her husband (Alan Greenspan) is involved in the stories she reports on.
Greenspan is in the pocket of the GOP, I wonder about Mitchell.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
NJ….I’m confused too…I thought Rick asked for the three wisest people who you might put in your cabinet? Is that right….his wife and granny?
Does anyone know how the question was posed?
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Good try Debra but that “dog won’t hunt”. I’m not talking about Obama’s performance; I’m merely questioning if McCain received any help. I cannot fathom why Andrea Mitchell would make a comment that implied that he had. This is something the McCain camp needs to clear up. It’s not about fairness inasmuch as it is about integrity. By the way, I thought Obama’s responses were too long as well.
Waiting to Exhale
Posted by: Waiting to Exhale | August 18, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
even if both candidates had the questions before hand would it make any difference. if you have been listening to both candidates, they are saying much the same things they have been saying all along. their styles of delivery are very differenct, but they are in general answering just as i thought. many americans do not realize what the job of the president really is. first and foremost he is the commander in chief of the armed forces. this should factor in greatly when considering who to vote for. our lawmakers are the congress, not the president. he can veto, but they can over ride him. one very important thing the president can do is appoint judges, this should be taken into account when voting also. i believe both men sincerely love this country, but we must decide which of these men would be able to protect and defend us and appoint judges that follow the constitution.
Posted by: NH | August 18, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
mccains performance was stellar. obama’s was not. 1) their was no right or wrong answer this was not a spelling bee. 2) according to obama and his supporters mccain is senile so how would he remember the questions. 3) they both had a general idea what the questions would involve so they both had plenty of time to prep.
Posted by: sonia trevino | August 18, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
I would like a president that doesn’t make excuses. Obama did bad in the forum and is trying to downplay it by making excuses.
Posted by: Todd | August 18, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
exhale…what “help” would McCain need with where he stands, or who he is, or what he believes in? I think a guy at 71, going out everyday to talk to the American people about these issues would have no trouble with any of the questions asked Sat. Hearing Obama’s first 3 answers, if he did, would direct him where exactly?
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Proof of McCain having the questions beforehand shows clearly in one key response…
Cross In The Dirt.
His ego and overconfidence led him to rehearse the answer he would give about an episode that happened to Alexander Solzenhitzyn. In other words, McCain pulled up an anecdote from the wrong part of his brain.
The more I discover about the possibility, the clearer it becomes. The Cross In The Dirt story is proof. McCain had the answers beforehand. Even Bill Kristol changed his web column to say “there is no evidence” as if to suggest it’s up to us to find the evidence, because they ain’t gonna tattle.
McCain will be done when the truth gets out. Cheating in an evangelical forum.
How Rovian.
Posted by: kravitz | August 18, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Jake, thanks for covering this. Charlie Black’s non-denial stinks to high heaven. The vitriol (good word!) and POW-high-dudgeon also are tip offs- they know they broke the rules and it looks bad. This goes to character-esp. at a faith forum!
Posted by: Ruth | August 18, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
I’m glad that Politico has reported that both campaigns received some hints as to what questions were going to be asked. Wow! Obama wants to distract people from his bodysurfing pictures.
Posted by: jose | August 18, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Debra, although I would ordinarily agree with you. My concern is that McCain led everyone to believe that he was in the cone of silence. Rick Warren asked him if he was comfortable while there and McCain jokingly responded that he was “trying to listen through the walls.” I would feel more comfortable now if he had simply told the truth- that he was enroute at the time. Fibbing by omission is still the same as fibbing.
Waiting to Exhale
Posted by: Waiting to Exhale | August 18, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
exhale….I do believe he was in a room for some amount of time before the questioning…..that is how “he was trying to listen through the wall”.
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Nobody says “cone of silence.” It isn’t a figure of speech, and it didn’t exist in any way in this situation. What was the phrase supposed to convey? Why not “sequestered” or “isolated”? Cone of silence? What’s up with that?
Maybe Warren set McCain up. He meant “dunce cap.”
Posted by: Desmond | August 18, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
The New York Sun
Obama said regarding the NRLC “have not been telling the truth and I hate to say that people are lying, but here’s a situation where folks are lying”. No one ever understands Mr. Obama because he changes his stance on everything. Obama spokeswoman, Hari Sevugan, grudgingly admitted Obama had indeed voted against the bill in committee to the New York Sun on Monday. Hillary Clinton pointed this out during the debates and it fell on deaf ears. Mr. Obama needs to apologize to a great many people. He is misleading the public again.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Rick Warren said that 2 or 3 of the opening questions were told to the candidates ahead of time, along with a general description of the topics to be raised. John McCain was in a motorcade at the beginning and on arrival, went immediately to the “cone of silence” lobby of the building.
Obama’s problem is that he does not even know how to respond to obvious and relatively “softball” questions. Even a dolt like John Kerry knew enough to say, when asked, that life begins at conception.
But Barry wouldn’t answer it.
Well, if as he says the question is above his pay grade, then how did he justify three votes as a State senator to block prohibitions on post late term “abortions?” Why did he vote three times to block a bill that would have prohibited the termination of the life of a child already born, and outside the womb, one who had somehow survived the late term abortion procedure?
Why, under those circumstances, did he not pull his usual “avoidance” stunt, and not vote?
Posted by: Trochilus | August 18, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Obama’s inexperience is showing in the fact that his people did not think through the design of the Saddleback Sham before he agreed to it.
He gets questioned first. McCain gets questions by blackberry. Plans responses in advance, knowing how Obama responded. Genius.
Maybe Hillary was right.
Posted by: kravitz | August 18, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Debra, I’m just saying that it begs the question. When asked if the cone of silence was comfortable, McCain should have said he was enroute.
Waiting to Exhale
Posted by: Waiting to Exhale | August 18, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
“Cone of Silence” is meant to be a joke. I haven’t seen the new one, but in the old Get Smart show its purpose was to show how stupid classified info and government secrecy was, because inevitibly the two people inside the cone couldn’t hear each other, but the people outside could hear them. It was ultimate irony.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
exhale….but he was in “a cone of slience” for what amount of time, we don’t know. But his answer is still acceptabale.
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Belle Starr….thanks for the laugh….despite his drug use, he really should get some speech therapy for that stammer.
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Brooklyn, The reason McCain voted for SC justices he doesn’t want is due to deference for the president. As was reported by the Washington Post “He rightly pointed out that he respected the presidential prerogative to appoint nominees who share a president’s view of the law and the Constitution when he voted for both of Mr. Clinton’s Supreme Court nominees, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer. He fairly chided Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for not offering equivalent deference to President Bush’s nominees.”. He takes the constitutional responsibility of advise and consent to mean that literally. That there should be a damn good reason (and political disagreements dont count) for voting against a nominee.
Posted by: Zaggs | August 18, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Zaggs, that is a fundamental misreading of the Constitution. The advice and consent is there to prevent the President from appointing foaming at the mouth right wing bigots to the bench, like Bush did.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
bam..where have you been? BOTH candidates got to review some of what would be asked them before the forum. It doesn’t change that Obama UNDERPERFORMED! He needed help from Warren on his ANSWERS. Play it back and count how many times Warren had to finish Obama’s answers. My husband was very frustrated by that.
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
This is why we need to keep religion and politics seperate. The question ‘does evil exist’ is a euphemism for ‘are our enemies less than human’.
Religion brings out the worst of the human race.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 18, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
The Obama supporters seem to be frantic and floundering.
Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | August 18, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
When all is said and done I would still vote for Obama over McGoo.
Posted by: oo | August 18, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
cincyr, you nailed it! Laughed so hard I spit my coffee.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Obama was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.”
BAAARRRFFFF
Posted by: Vote Hillary | August 18, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Scared and angry? No.
Know a liar when I see one? Yes.
Obama ’08
Posted by: James Andre | August 18, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Bam, you wrote: “Except that McCain and Pastor Rick Warren had not yet discussed the Supreme Court justices.”
After answering a question on abortion and the definition of marriage THAT is when Sen. McCain asked, “Are we going to get back to the importance of Supreme Court Justices?” Sen. McCain also said, “When we speak of the issue of the rights of the unborn we need to talk about judges, but anyway go ahead.”
BEFORE the forum both Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama were given the topics from which Pastor Warren would be asking them. Apparently one of the topics mentioned was the importance of the Supreme Court Justices. So Sen. McCain wanted be sure that there would be a discussion of judges. Otherwise he would have given his thoughts on the Supreme Court during the questions regarding abortion and definition of marriage.
Posted by: James Danley | August 18, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
I believe the correct term is ‘spermatazoan-americans’ Flash. Gotta be politically correct here.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Obama might be good in front of a teleprompter, but he can’t think on his feet otherwise.
He’s an empty suit, this forum proved.
He has no legacy, he has no experience.
Posted by: meg | August 18, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
This response from the McCain campaign is really alot more interesting (and telling):
“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous.”
Forget that the source of these insinuations was not the Obama campaign for a second, and look at the rest of it for a second.
Anyone else here think that he’s gone just a wee bit overboard pushing his pow status?
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Obama’s puppy ate his homework?
Bottom line: Obama lost, folks. Get over it.
Posted by: meg | August 18, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Why is it everytime I try to post how it is weird that in a Faith Forum, Obama could’t bring up Rev. Wright, the one “who led him to Christ”? I’m just thinking. I also think Obama had the highest respect for him before March, and he would have been on his list of 3 wise people. Why is this so wrong to post…..we are talking about a FAITH FORUM, right?
Posted by: Debra | August 18, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
There is no way in hell McCain was in a cone of silence at that forum because he wa sanswering the questions before they were even asked. Also, he was shamelessly pandering with that POW story ad nauseum
Posted by: Caroline | August 18, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
More and more clear McCain cheated, and the problem is not what he answered or the unfair advantage, the worse is his moral fiber of cheater.
Posted by: Austin | August 18, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Obama is a thinker, not a reactionary like McCain. I would rather have a thinker, one that is deliberate in thought and slow to speak than a reactionary that will pull the trigger at the drop of a hat. You guys don’t know what McCain is capable of. I would be very leary of someone who has spent a life time dwelling on military life. Look at the last military president we had Dwight D. Eisenhower. Led us into Viet Nam…need I say more.
Posted by: William | August 18, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
What’s the latest “truth” about McCain stealing his “cross in the sand” story from that dead Russian story about the Gulag??
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 18, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
In numerous articles and, most famously, in his own writings, Obama has cited Rev. Wright as his “mentor” and all-around guru. Indeed, “Audacity of Hope” is based on a sermon Obama heard Wright give. Those three words -”Audacity of Hope” – the mantra and basis of this charlatan’s entire sham of a campaign – are actually the good rev’s own words.
Was anyone else chuckling at Obama’s pathetic answer to Warren’s question about whose counsel he values?
Posted by: JoefromMI | August 18, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Right – McCain got access to all the questions just before hand, and drafted perfect response to all of them in the few minutes Obama was being interviewed.
Then he delivered those great answers perfectly from memory a few minutes later.
Nice try.
Face it – Obama got his clock cleaned.
Posted by: Tom C | August 18, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
The point the media and everyone else on Obama’s side is not acknowledging is that Saturday night’s debate for the most part was less about McCain and more about Obama. McCain is a known entity. Obama is still an enigma and many folks who are still confused and looking to understand all the fervor and fuss around his persona turn to the debates for answers, and that’s where Obama fell so short of expectations. It was frankly an embarrassing performance and Mr. Obama looked more like running for class president than commander-in-chief of the most powerful nation on earth. It is in that context that McCain’s performance especially in that side-by-side comparison made the realities of this election cycle so stark and undeniable.
One can appreciate the fact that many people look at Obama’s candidacy as an history-making event, but in the end majority of Americans will have to put the future of their country before symbolic gestures to suit the political ambitions of any one person.
Posted by: shirin | August 18, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
John McCain was not in a cone of silence. John McCain and Rick Warren led everyone watching to believe that McCain was shrouded away in silence.
A man of honor, a man of honesty, a man with scruples would have announced to everyone right at the start that he really wasn’t in the “cone”. Instead he chose to allow everyone to believe a lie. And how will that work as President?
A man of honor, a man of honesty, a man with scruples would not have told a false story about the cross in the dirt, which was actually about a Russian prisoner in the Soviet gulags, Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Does McCain have no dignity? No shame? To tell such a story in a church of God no less?
Posted by: Kali | August 18, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Yeah, their denials are hilarious. The point is he could have been coached, he was not in a “cone of silence” as everyone was led to believe.
And I disagree completely with shirrin who claims McCain is a “known entity”. He is completely unknown. Most Americans think he’s a maverick because that is the image he has tried to hoist on us. But he is nothing of the sort. The prospect of a McCain presidency is frightening, and it’s high time the media (and the democrats since the media probably won’t do it) throw back the curtain and start applying the same scrutiny to McCain as they have been to Obama.
Posted by: Angela | August 18, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Does the lack of Rick Warren’s previously-announced ‘cone of silence’ invalidate the Saddleback process? I think it does. Whether or not McCain cheated or unknowingly had answers fed to him by aides with Blackberries, some people will always think so. (Personally, I doubt it.)
I don’t think this is about whether McCain lied or whether Obama’s supporters have sour grapes because Obama didn’t do as well (I thought they both did fine). I think it’s about how Rev. Warren should not have announced there was a so-called ‘cone of silence’ when there wasn’t. If McCain wasn’t in the house, Warren should either have announced that or kept his mouth shut about the ‘cone of silence.’ Remember the Warren Commission and a lot of other things like that? On a much smaller scale, some people will always think the Saddleback interview was a shady deal.
Posted by: JAB | August 18, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
“Also, he was shamelessly pandering with that POW story ad nauseum”
If Obama ever actually did something of note in his life he should stop keeping it a secret. What has he actually accomplished? Well he did publish two books, one on the topic of himself and the other on the topic of himself.
Posted by: Amfony | August 18, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
The McCain campaign overly aggressive reaction to even the suggestion that there might have been impropriety in the “Cone of Silence” situation has only fueled speculation further. My guess is they cheated. They are Republicans, after all. Why should they disappoint us now?
Posted by: DaveM | August 18, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Of course McCain cheated. He is after all a republican. Just like bush was wired for the debates so he could have someone else answer the questions for him. But that won’t sway the less intelligent voters and the republicans know this.
Posted by: con me not | August 18, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Honestly, I think if McCain had nothing to hide his campaign would come out and directly say Senator McCain had no knowledge of the questions and no knowledge of Obama’s answers.
And to those who say its whining, I do think this raises questions about the ethics and integrity of the McCain camp. Did McCain act in a not entirely honest way in connection with a forum at a christian organisation, and what does that say about his faith?
Posted by: markymark | August 18, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
“What’s the latest “truth” about McCain stealing his “cross in the sand” story from that dead Russian story about the Gulag??”
It would take an idiot to think such a incident would only happen once throughout recorded human history.
Prisoners are routinely denied the ability to write…and if they did want to write, they’d wish to conceal what they wrote after the fact. THEREFORE, writing in the dirt is very, very common in prison camps.
The cross is a universal symbol of Christianity, and for some in such dire circumstances, Christianity is the last hope people look to. THEREFORE, the cross would be periodically used to try and uplift someone’s spirit.
THEREFORE, it’s extremely probable that the “cross in the dirt” story isn’t remotely unique to the Russian.
But hey, lefties don’t need proof, or even probability. Just a flimsy accusation no one can prove, and a willingness to believe.
Posted by: ynot4tony2 | August 18, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
a cheating, lying, pandering POW. Excellent choice for president, ehn!
Posted by: Debs | August 18, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
McCain has been doing town halls, taking questions from all comers for years. He is good in this format, has a lot of experience. Now it has become clear why Obama is afraid of the format.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. When I first hear Obama’s voice, i thought, “this guy is good.” Now I just hear an idiot whiner who is mad he got beat in a debate. Wait for the next few. Obama is an empty suit, pretty, not as pretty as Edwards, but prettier than Hillary, and still an empty suit.
Posted by: Moptop | August 18, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Interesting; Dems, knowing from experience that the surefire way to win close elections is to cheat (e.g. deceased voters in Chicago, bogus voter registration drives, etc.), are certain that the only way Republicans could have won the 2000 election was to do the same. Similarly, as they would have cheated to gain an advantage in Saturday’s forum, it is obvious to them that the winner must have cheated in order to come out on top.
Posted by: John | August 18, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
I have to wonder if the people making allegations that McCain is lying about this are even Americans.
Posted by: Don | August 18, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
hahahahah
you were all “set up” by Jake…..
enjoy the fracas….. sponsored in the name of keeping up the flow…..
But Klein did it best… and honestly, too!
Posted by: elf chef | August 18, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Sour grapes from the Obama fans and MSNBC! If McCain heard the questions an hour before and remembered and formulated answers to them – why, that proves that he has the brain of a 21 year old! I am so proud of that white hair dude! Nimble brain!
Hillary got maligned for saying that she always got asked the questions first! Hey, your guy is saying the same thing now! What a hypocrite! It only proves how much better McCain did than the One!
Yes, Mc Can!
Posted by: Beckie | August 18, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
McCain’s Top Ten Excuses For Not Showing Up On Time To Saddleback Church
10. I was taking a nap. I wanted to be in top form. As you can see from my performance, it worked!
9. I was watching the Olympics. That Misha Phelps is an excellent swimmer!
8. Interrupt my suppertime? I don’t think so.
7. I was working on my weekly Presidential radio address.
6. Kept mulling over whether to use sandal or stick in my “dirt in the cross” Christmas story.
5. My motorcade was held up by the local paparazzi.
4. I don’t usually work weekends.
3. I got caught up in prayer for Georgia and Florida.
2. Me? Follow the rules? I’m a maverick!
1. My friends, I’m a P.O.W. How dare you question my integrity!
Posted by: cincyr | August 18, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Re: cross comment
Some say that we should honor what the man had to say, as well as Swindle who has deep ties within the Republican party, simply because they were POW. I am afraid to inform them, if this is
true, it should work both ways.
Older veterans remember well how John McCain and John Kerry shut down all further investigation into remaining MIA/POW in order to open up trade with Vietnam. They remember full well how these families were treated and talked to by John McCain. They also remember
how John McCain’s father-in-law immediately opened up a beer industry in Vietnam.
If anyone wants to add honor as a reason to believe the cross story, I suggest they start with their research here:
aiipowmia.com/testimony
They might also remember we are talking about the man who was not above copyright infringement against two song writers and Wikipedia.
Posted by: MsSwin | August 18, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
I believe that most are missing the point. McCain led everyone to believe that he was in the cone of silence when he was not. His spokesperson incredulously asked if Obama was questioning a former prisoner of war. Excuse me, but aren’t military personnel trained to lie in such a circumstance? However, that’s beside the point. The point is McCain was not in the cone of silence and therefore had an opportunity to hear Obama’s responses. As a result that advantage may have allowed him to play to the crowd. That is dishonest and is the unadulterated definition of disingenuous.
Posted by: Waiting to Exhale | August 18, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Why do people say that Obama didn’t do well? He was thoughtful and articulate in an arena that wasn’t receptive to Democrats in general. McCain gave his usual formulaic patter. It doesn’t matter if he heard in advance or not, he would still spew the robotic patter. Quit acting as if he did so well that he must have heard stuff in advance. He’s good at memorizing – not critical thinking!
Posted by: W. Wentworth | August 18, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
“Do you have any idea how few christian viet cong there were in Vietnam in the early ’70s? The chances of that story actually happening to Mccain are almost nonexistent.”
No, sorry, North Vietnam was (is) primarily Catholic, from the heavy French influence. Much more than the South.
What’s more interesting is the evolution of the story. Obviously bogus.
Posted by: Jim | August 18, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
McCain is using Swindle to verify the ‘cross in the dirt’ story. In other words, he’s using another Jack Abramoff connected lobbyist on his campaign. After disinviting Ralph Reed, yet another Jack Abramoff connected lobbyist from his fundraiser tonight.
More lobbyists in the White House!
McCain doesn’t need to be baptised into his religion…he’s got Jack Abramoff as his god almighty already.
Posted by: kravitz | August 19, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Watching you Obama supporters frantically trying to explain away why your candidate underperformed is like watching a bunch of eight year olds crying about losing a softball game, breathlessly accusing their opponent of cheating
Posted by: Poor Sport | August 19, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
The simple fact is that all McCain needed was an aide in the audience sending a text message of the questions to his motorcade as they were asked: ‘I did not HEAR the questions …’ is a quibble.
Posted by: Mark | August 19, 2008, 7:41 am 7:41 am
Obama is acting like a kid that lost the ball on a playground.
Posted by: Al from NJ | August 19, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am
Of course, it helps as we’ve now learned that John was not in the “Cone of Silence”, but riding in a motorcade to the building where the “Forum” was being held, while Sen. Barack Obama was being questioned. And, during that period of time, there was nothing that prevented John McCain from hearing the questions being asked of Sen. Obama and Sen. Obama’s answers thereto. Do I think John McCain “cheated”, you bet I do.
Specifically, we learn from the NYT: Before an audience of more than 2,000 people at the church, the candidates answered questions about policy and social issues.
Mr. Warren, the pastor of Saddleback, had assured the audience while he was interviewing Mr. Obama that “we have safely placed Senator McCain in a cone of silence” and that he could not hear the questions.
After Mr. Obama’s interview, he was joined briefly by Mr. McCain, and the candidates shook hands and embraced.
Mr. Warren started by asking Mr. McCain, “Now, my first question: Was the cone of silence comfortable that you were in just now?”
Mr. McCain deadpanned, “I was trying to hear through the wall.”
This last statement by McCain seen on national television leads me to believe McCain cheated. If he had not cheated, why didn’t he come clean with the Rev. Warren, when he was asked: “Was the cone of silence comfortable that you were in just now?” To me, if McCain wanted to tell the truth, he would have told Rev. Warren that he was not in the “cone of silence”, but “in motorcade” (as Rick Davis put it) on his way to the building. By answering “I was trying to hear through the wall”, McCain led everyone to believe he was in the “cone of silence”, which we all know is false.
Posted by: caliguy55 | August 19, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
LOL! McCain answered all his questions like a right-wing robot (think ‘dittohead’) and people here are upset that he might have cheated. Of course, he cheated! No-one is denying that he had the OPPORTUNITY to cheat. That was the whole point of the ‘cone of silence’ – to deny the OPPORTUNITY to cheat bc. everyone knows that all’s fair in love and war and politics.
What really gets me though is the attempt to portray McCain as the ‘winner’ for his parroted born-again talking points. He did not give a single thoughtful answer but answered as though he had been studying for a multiple choice test. If the criterion is ‘who gave the answers closest to what the right-wing nut jobs wanted to hear, then McCain won hands down. If the criterion is ‘WHo answered the questions thoguhtfully and sincerely, then Obama wins by a knockout. Sure, McCain may have gained a few more evangelical single-issue voters, but as far as Independents go, I think he lost mmore than he gained!
Posted by: truthteller | August 19, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
I don’t know what is worse:
A) Obama’s contingent of sore loser supporters
or
B) Obama’s contingent of sore loser reporters
Posted by: Axion | August 20, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am