By John Santucci

Aug 6, 2008 11:47am

Nader: Obama Not Black Prez He Hoped For

ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader ripped Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., on Wednesday, saying that the presumptive Democratic nominee would not make the kind of African-American president that he and other members of the civil rights movement worked to make possible.

"People who have fought the civil rights battle — politically, economically, legally — as we have since the 50′s would often talk about, ‘Look what would happen if we had an African-American president or chairpersons of major congressional committees,’" said Nader. "It doesn’t look like it’s going to be what we all thought it would be."

"I lost respect for him," Nader said of Obama "when I saw him over a year ago on C-SPAN vigorously opposed to the impeachment of Bush and Cheney — vigorously opposed. He said it would be ‘divisive’. That is a cop out word. We have the most multiply impeachable presidency in American history."

Nader made his comments at a breakfast with reporters in Washington, D.C., sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. It was not the first time that the perennial presidential candidate has been critical of the Democrat who would be the nation’s first African-American president. Back in June, in an interview with the Rocky Mountain News, Nader accused Obama of downplaying poverty issues, trying to "talk white" and appealing to "white guilt" during his run for the White House.

The liberal consumer rights activist has become a pariah among many in the Democratic Party who blame him for tipping the closely contested 2000 election from then-Vice President Al Gore to then-Texas Gov. George W. Bush by winning 97,421 votes in the State of Florida.

Nader portrayed Obama’s recent softening of his opposition to off-shore drilling as part of a broader effort to blur his differences with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Nader charged that the "blurring" that Obama is engaged in would prove to be a "fatal mistake."

"That’s part of his blurring," said Nader, referring to Obama’s new stance on drilling. "His handlers said, ‘McCain is scoring here.’ So he blurs, he blurs."

Obama told a Florida newspaper last week that he would be willing to compromise his opposition to off-shore drilling if it were necessary to win congressional approval of a broader overhaul focused on renewable sources of energy.

Nader said that he is making his third run for president in order to challenge a two-party system that he thinks has become "homogenized" by corporate power.

Nader identified seven areas as core differences with Obama and McCain: (1) a willingness to investigate corporate crime, fraud and abuse; (2) a commitment to a universal health-care system in which the government, not private companies, acts as the insurer; (3) a commitment to cutting a "bloated" military budget; (4) support for the impeachment and possible prosecution of President Bush and Vice President Cheney; (5) a living wage of $10/ hour; (6) a tax overhaul which would target Wall Street speculation; and (7) a commitment to making ballot access easier for candidates who do not belong to the two major parties.

User Comments

I agree with Nader!

Posted by: ObamaKnew | August 6, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Not Prez of any color, shade, gender anyone who has some brain would hope for.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Obama isn’t black enough for… Ralph Nader?
Lol, what?

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Obama vigorously opposed to the impeachment of Bush and Cheny — vigorously opposed. He said it would be ‘divisive’. That is a cop out word.
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Defending the Constitution is not a matter of ‘divisiveness’, Mr. Constitutional Law “professor”. Hundreds of thousands people lost their lives in the Civil War to make this phony empty head possible. Yet, he defends Bush for fear of “divisive”.
In case you cannot comprehend, Mr. Constitution prof, impeachment by definition is divisive.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Paul,
Late today. You? Hope you will change your mind today.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

“Hope you will change your mind today.”
Lol. We both know that isn’t going to happen. In fact (no pun intended), I’d like to know if anyone ever changed their political opinion based on these message boards. But that aside, it is fun, huh?

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Nader’s just looking for attention by attacking Obama. He’s adopting McCain’s strategy to do that as well. Nader’s been running every election. This guy’s ridiculous.

Posted by: Chris | August 6, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

I don’t think he is there to be a black president, I think he is there to be the United State of American President.

Posted by: Nelson | August 6, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

Nader is becoming more & more ignoraqble.
Obama would do good not to respond except the MSM is going to parade Nader around for the next 2 days

Posted by: watching | August 6, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

Paul – Maybe tomorrow then, after the empty head airs something really really offensive, even to you.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

This is a lame attempt for Nader to get free publicity at Obama’s expense.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 6, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

agreeing with Nader gives someone a lot of credibility…lol
this guy has become a parody of himself just wants face time

Posted by: dl | August 6, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Paul -
Look what you got in your choice!
A vigorously defender of Bush and Cheney, who supports Cheney’s oil pals, putting aside his sworn duty of defending and protecting the Constitution.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

fact: “Maybe tomorrow then, after the empty head airs something really really offensive, even to you.”
McCain is coming out with another ad so soon?

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

Really Nader… I find it interesting that you sat around picturing what a black president should look like.
One thing that he forgot… Obama is not black, he is black and white, I guess you can say he is gray! Maybe that is why he does not see just one shade but sees several. This will make him a great president. He is willing to look further than his face.

Posted by: beck | August 6, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

fact: “A vigorously defender of Bush and Cheney, who supports Cheney’s oil pals, putting aside his sworn duty of defending and protecting the Constitution.”
Well, we don’t distort the facts much, do we? Lol.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Haters everywhere I go.. OBAMA 08

Posted by: Lawrence | August 6, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Says Nader and his buddies. Does he have any? What a joke!

Posted by: DAVID NH | August 6, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Go Ralph! I had written him off a long time ago, but why not? Bambi and McNutball are equally reprehensible choices, so if ol’ Ralph plays the spoiler once again, so be it.
OUTSOURCE THE PRESIDENCY!

Posted by: La Chatte | August 6, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

The empty head is so afraid of George that he has been chicken away from any debate, after being asked a medium softball question in his last debate appearance.
Now he can only hope Ifil could be a rescue.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

DITTO…Way to go Nadar! Has anyone noticed how different Obama has been acting since he doesn’t have to keep up with Hillary? Geez…this election has fizzled….the conventions are going to be SUCH a bore…YAWN!

Posted by: dar | August 6, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Nader’s just looking for any publicity he can get. It’s not easy to go from being an icon to being ignored but it is really bad taste for him to try to make news by saying that Obama is not his kind of African American candidate. Nader’s not far from called Obama a ‘house slave’. Just shows how outdated his thinking has become.

Posted by: bct424 | August 6, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Leave it to Nader to tell it like it is.

Posted by: Mack | August 6, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Nader lost all credibility when he said there was no difference between Gore and Bush in 2000 and helped to elect Bush! You’ve lost it Ralph.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | August 6, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

obama.
change you can believe in.
like the easter bunny and the tooth fairey.
once that obama kool-aid wears off, you’ll be awfully disappointed when you see he’s just a corporate turd like the rest of em.

Posted by: joe | August 6, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

Ralph Nader will get my vote as a protest vote. I can’t bring myself to vote for the Republicans, but I will never vote for Barack Obama. He’s using the same strategy against McCain as he did against Hillary – accusing white people who disagree with him of racism. And then denying he ever did such a thing. Typical ObamaSpeak.

Posted by: Jenny Berryman | August 6, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Obama is a joke. All “liberal” minded people should vote Nader in 08, for Obama doesn’t represent what they stand for. Nader always has and always will!

Posted by: Mike | August 6, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Senator Obama can not get his facts right on energy, health care, Iraq War, etc. What are those 300 advisors doing?
Change you can believe it.
Socialism–tax and take from the rich, those who earned the dollars to those who do not earn the dollars.

Posted by: Martin | August 6, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

OBAMA IS NOT THE ONE WHO RAILED ON PARIS HILTON, MCCAIN DID. NADER HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING AND NEVER WILL, HE IS LIKE MOST, ANGRY BECAUSE HE CANNOT GET AS FAR AS OBAMA HAS. NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, OBAMA KNOWS BOTH WORLDS WHITE AND BLACK, AND THAT MAKES FOR A BETTER PRESIDENT, WHO CAN SEE A BIGGER PCITURE THAN SOMEONE ONLY THINKING WHITE OR THINKIING BLACK, OR HISPANIC, ETC. IF FOR ONCE IN OUR LIFE, WE CAN GET BEHIND A PERSON WHO HAS EVERYONE’S INTEREST AT HEART AND NOT A PARTICULAR GROUP, WE CAN BECOME THE NATION THAT THE WORLD RESPECTS AND WANT TO LIKE LIKE, INSTEAD OF HATING US. WE ARE SUPPOSE TO BE THE BETTER NATION, THE 21ST CENTURY NATION, BUT WE ARE WORST THAN ANY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY AND GOING BACKWARDS WITH THE RACIAL HATRED INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF IT. MCCAIN DOES NOT HAVE ANY ORIGINAL IDEAS OF HIS OWN, WHATEVER OBAMA SAYS HE JUMP TO CARRY IT OUT TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GOOD. HE IS A FOLLOWER NOT A LEADER, AND THE BIGGEST THING, HE IS JEALOUS THAT A YOUNGER MAN OF MIXED HERITAGE IS MORE POPULAR THAN HE IS. AMERICA, YOU SAID YOU WANT CHANGE, GIVE OBAMA THE CHANCE TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, AND REMEMBER, THERE IS A CONGRESS AND SENATE THAT BLOCKS A LOT OF THE THINGS A PRESIDENT TRIES TO DO. WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE WEAK SPINED PEOPLE BEEN SITTING IN WASHINGTON TOO LONG. THOSE SITS ALSO MAY DO GOOD WITH YOUNG BLOOD LIKE OBAMA. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, HATING SOMEONE, BUT CALLING FOR CHANGE. YOU ARE GOING TO STOP YOUR OWN IGNORANCE AND WANT THE BEST OF THE BEST, HIRE OBAMA. HE IS NOT PERFECT IT IS TRUE, BUT NEITHER ARE ANY OF US LIVING, BUT TO KEEP HATING PEOPLE ON COLOR ALONE SHAME ON YOUR IGNORANCE. ONE LAST WORD, EVERY PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS THE SAME RIGHTS AND CAPABLITIES TO BE WELL SPOKEN AND MANNERED AS OBAMA. NOT EVERYONE HAS TO CUSE AND USE BAD GRAMMAR BECAUSE THEY SEE IT IN THE MOVIES AND ON TELEVISION. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT EVERY BLACK PERSON USES IMPROPER GRAMMAR, ABSOLUTELY NOT. IN FACT, ANY THOUGH PEOPLE WERE TAKEN FROM AFRICA AND ENSLAVED, THAT FIRST GENERATION OF SLAVES WERE ACTUALLY EDUCATED PEOPLE AND WERE TOTALLY OUT OF THEIR CULTURE COMING TO AMERICA AND OTHER COUNTRIES AND SLAVES. THE WHITE MAN WAS JEALOUS OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAD IN AFRICA AND THE ONLY WAY TO CAPTURE OR TAKE OVER WHAT THEY HAD WAS TO GET RID OF THEM. SO AS ALWAYS, YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK GREAT BY MAKING SOMEONE ELSE LOOK LESS THAN YOU. YOU MAKE THEM FEAR YOU, YOU TAKE AWAY ALL THAT IS FAMILAR AND GOOD FOR THEM. HOW DO YOU THINK AFRICA HAD KINGS AND QUEENS, THEY WERE NOT RUNNING AROUND NAKED AND WILD LIKE ANIMALS, THEY WERE HIGHLY EDUCATED AND CULTURED. THAT IS WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE WHITE MAN OF AMERICA TO FORBID THE SLACES TO READ AND WRITE, THEY NEEDED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE BLACK NATION TO STAY IN THAT CHILD-LIKE, IGNORANT STATE THEY HAD CREATED FOR THEM, AND MAKE THE WORLD BELIEVE THEY WERE NOT FIT FOR ANYTHING. BUT THANKS BE TO GOD WHO DOES ALL THINGS WELL, AND MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE SLAVES TO BE GIVEN THEIR FREEDOM, FOR MAKE WHITE WOMEN WHO PRIVATELY TAUGHT SOME OF THEIR SLAVES TO LEARN TO READ AND WRITE. NOW THE BLACK RACE HAS SOME OF THE FINEST BLACK PEOPLE IN ALL OF AMERICA IN EVERY WALK OF LIFE, AND AMERICA NEEDS TO MAKE UP ITS MIND THAT THE BLACK NATION WAS WHERE LIFE BEGAN AND THE BLACK NATION WILL BE HERE WHEN THE LIFE ENDS. BLACK WHITE, BROWN, YELLOW, AND RED PEOPLE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTER. NONE OF YOU MADE YOURSELF, WE CAME FROM ONE GOD, ONE BLOOD, AND ONE NATION. LIFE BEGAN IN AFRICA PEOPLE!
GIVE OBAMA A CHANCE, HE TRULY CANNOT BE ANY WORST THAN WHITE BUSH! DO YOU TRULY WANT CHANGE OR IS IT JUST A GOOD SOUNDING PHRASE?
GOD LOVES YOU AND SO DO I.

Posted by: smarterthanall | August 6, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Please people, don’t listen to Nader this time around. Thats what people did 8 years ago, he said that Gore and Bush were the same. He will say whatever to get attention and has no feel for real politics. Do we let McCain in, just because Obama is not the black President Nader wants, and wait how long for the next decent black leader?
I don’t think, if you wanna vote for Obama because of the colour of his skin, the qualities he embodies are that important. What is important is that less than half a century after desegregation we could elect someone of his skin colour. That being said its time for a powerful progressive force in American politics, and that means Barack Obama.

Posted by: markymark | August 6, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

OBAMA IS NOT THE ONE WHO RAILED ON PARIS HILTON, MCCAIN DID. NADER HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING AND NEVER WILL, HE IS LIKE MOST, ANGRY BECAUSE HE CANNOT GET AS FAR AS OBAMA HAS. NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, OBAMA KNOWS BOTH WORLDS WHITE AND BLACK, AND THAT MAKES FOR A BETTER PRESIDENT, WHO CAN SEE A BIGGER PCITURE THAN SOMEONE ONLY THINKING WHITE OR THINKIING BLACK, OR HISPANIC, ETC. IF FOR ONCE IN OUR LIFE, WE CAN GET BEHIND A PERSON WHO HAS EVERYONE’S INTEREST AT HEART AND NOT A PARTICULAR GROUP, WE CAN BECOME THE NATION THAT THE WORLD RESPECTS AND WANT TO LIKE LIKE, INSTEAD OF HATING US. WE ARE SUPPOSE TO BE THE BETTER NATION, THE 21ST CENTURY NATION, BUT WE ARE WORST THAN ANY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY AND GOING BACKWARDS WITH THE RACIAL HATRED INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF IT. MCCAIN DOES NOT HAVE ANY ORIGINAL IDEAS OF HIS OWN, WHATEVER OBAMA SAYS HE JUMP TO CARRY IT OUT TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GOOD. HE IS A FOLLOWER NOT A LEADER, AND THE BIGGEST THING, HE IS JEALOUS THAT A YOUNGER MAN OF MIXED HERITAGE IS MORE POPULAR THAN HE IS. AMERICA, YOU SAID YOU WANT CHANGE, GIVE OBAMA THE CHANCE TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, AND REMEMBER, THERE IS A CONGRESS AND SENATE THAT BLOCKS A LOT OF THE THINGS A PRESIDENT TRIES TO DO. WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE WEAK SPINED PEOPLE BEEN SITTING IN WASHINGTON TOO LONG. THOSE SITS ALSO MAY DO GOOD WITH YOUNG BLOOD LIKE OBAMA. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, HATING SOMEONE, BUT CALLING FOR CHANGE. YOU ARE GOING TO STOP YOUR OWN IGNORANCE AND WANT THE BEST OF THE BEST, HIRE OBAMA. HE IS NOT PERFECT IT IS TRUE, BUT NEITHER ARE ANY OF US LIVING, BUT TO KEEP HATING PEOPLE ON COLOR ALONE SHAME ON YOUR IGNORANCE. ONE LAST WORD, EVERY PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS THE SAME RIGHTS AND CAPABLITIES TO BE WELL SPOKEN AND MANNERED AS OBAMA. NOT EVERYONE HAS TO CUSE AND USE BAD GRAMMAR BECAUSE THEY SEE IT IN THE MOVIES AND ON TELEVISION. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT EVERY BLACK PERSON USES IMPROPER GRAMMAR, ABSOLUTELY NOT. IN FACT, ANY THOUGH PEOPLE WERE TAKEN FROM AFRICA AND ENSLAVED, THAT FIRST GENERATION OF SLAVES WERE ACTUALLY EDUCATED PEOPLE AND WERE TOTALLY OUT OF THEIR CULTURE COMING TO AMERICA AND OTHER COUNTRIES AND SLAVES. THE WHITE MAN WAS JEALOUS OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAD IN AFRICA AND THE ONLY WAY TO CAPTURE OR TAKE OVER WHAT THEY HAD WAS TO GET RID OF THEM. SO AS ALWAYS, YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK GREAT BY MAKING SOMEONE ELSE LOOK LESS THAN YOU. YOU MAKE THEM FEAR YOU, YOU TAKE AWAY ALL THAT IS FAMILAR AND GOOD FOR THEM. HOW DO YOU THINK AFRICA HAD KINGS AND QUEENS, THEY WERE NOT RUNNING AROUND NAKED AND WILD LIKE ANIMALS, THEY WERE HIGHLY EDUCATED AND CULTURED. THAT IS WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE WHITE MAN OF AMERICA TO FORBID THE SLACES TO READ AND WRITE, THEY NEEDED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE BLACK NATION TO STAY IN THAT CHILD-LIKE, IGNORANT STATE THEY HAD CREATED FOR THEM, AND MAKE THE WORLD BELIEVE THEY WERE NOT FIT FOR ANYTHING. BUT THANKS BE TO GOD WHO DOES ALL THINGS WELL, AND MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE SLAVES TO BE GIVEN THEIR FREEDOM, FOR MAKE WHITE WOMEN WHO PRIVATELY TAUGHT SOME OF THEIR SLAVES TO LEARN TO READ AND WRITE. NOW THE BLACK RACE HAS SOME OF THE FINEST BLACK PEOPLE IN ALL OF AMERICA IN EVERY WALK OF LIFE, AND AMERICA NEEDS TO MAKE UP ITS MIND THAT THE BLACK NATION WAS WHERE LIFE BEGAN AND THE BLACK NATION WILL BE HERE WHEN THE LIFE ENDS. BLACK WHITE, BROWN, YELLOW, AND RED PEOPLE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTER. NONE OF YOU MADE YOURSELF, WE CAME FROM ONE GOD, ONE BLOOD, AND ONE NATION. LIFE BEGAN IN AFRICA PEOPLE!
GIVE OBAMA A CHANCE, HE TRULY CANNOT BE ANY WORST THAN WHITE BUSH! DO YOU TRULY WANT CHANGE OR IS IT JUST A GOOD SOUNDING PHRASE?
GOD LOVES YOU AND SO DO I.

Posted by: SMARTSENSE | August 6, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Gallup today: McCain 44%, Obama 46%. Obama continues to fall in the polls while McCain increases.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Poll: Nearly half hearing too much about Obama
With Election Day still three months away, 48 percent said they’re hearing too much about the Democratic candidate, according to a poll released Wednesday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center. Just 26 percent said the same about his Republican rival, John McCain.
Two-thirds of Republicans and about half of independents said they’ve heard too much about Obama, as did a third of Democrats, a significant number.
At the same time, nearly four in 10 said they’ve been hearing too little about McCain — about four times the number who said so about Obama. About half of Republicans, four in 10 independents and even a quarter of Democrats said they’ve not heard enough about the GOP candidate.
Looks like the MSM plan to try and push Obama down America’s throat has backfired. And now, it seems, with all of Obama’s flip-flopping, that his campaign is beginning to implode.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Senator Obama can not get his facts right on energy, health care, Iraq War, etc. What are those 300 advisors doing?
Change you can believe it.
Socialism–tax and take from the rich, those who earned the dollars to those who do not earn the dollars….Martin
________________________________________
Obama laid out a detailed and comprehensive energy plan on Monday. His main goal is to reduce Americans’ dependence on foreign oil. What’s McCain’s plan? Drill Here and Drill Now!!
In the primaries Obama laid out a detailed health care plan which includes mandatory coverage for children. What’s McCain’s health care plan? Wasn’t McCain the one that said social security is a disgrace?
And if Obama’s Iraq policy is so wrong why is it that Iraq’s Prime Minister supports troop withdrawl? Even the White House conceded to a “time horizon.”
Martin please spare me with your Fox News talking points.
Nadar is clamoring to be a part of the discussion, but he’s going about it the wrong way.

Posted by: Jennifer | August 6, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Nader is the number one example of a purpose without a life.

Posted by: bhciapol | August 6, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

Ralph Nader recently received ballot access in California(Aug.2)and polled at 6% in a nationwide survey! The Corporate Media is nearly igonoring Him,
but NOT with ABC News. Good job for covering the huge Campaign of Ralph Nader in 2008. This year will surpass all previous Campaign efforts by Ralph Nader,-thank you Peace and Freedom Party of California!

Posted by: la4nader@gmail.com | August 6, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

“Obama’s recent softening of his opposition to off-shore drilling as part of a broader effort to blur his differences with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.” … Nadar, you are correct. It’s also important to note that Pelosi and other democratic leaders are telling democrats who are up for re-election to just tell voters they are in favor of limited off-shore drilling so that they get re-elected, but they have no intention of actually lifting any ban – they plan to stall any proposed bill until after the election. Pelosi has been quoted as saying that, and Obama himself is no different. He will say he is in favor of limited off-shore drilling to win voters, it might fool some, but once in office, that ban will never be lifted. Another good reason to vote based on voting record rather than on what a politician says when he’s running for office.

Posted by: MIssy M | August 6, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

“Poll: Nearly half hearing too much about Obama”
After so much Sulfur-containing air coming out from the wrong end of a phony, it will make any clear headed person dizzy.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

Markymark said, “What is important is that less than half a century after desegregation we could elect someone of his skin colour.” No MarkyMark, that’s not what’s important in this election. The important thing is to elect THE RIGHT PERSON. John McCain says he’d rather lose an election than win the war. Obama says whatever he thinks people want to hear. The time will come for a minority president, hopefully sooner rather than later. Obama just isn’t the right man.

Posted by: Octoroon | August 6, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

Pelosi has been quoted as saying that, and Obama himself is no different. He will say he is in favor of limited off-shore drilling to win voters, it might fool some, but once in office, that ban will never be lifted. Another good reason to vote based on voting record rather than on what a politician says when he’s running for office.
Posted by: MIssy M | Aug 6, 2008 1:22:34 PM
Very good point! Thats why she hurried everyone out to go on vacation so they could not vote on offshore drilling. Pelosi has basically gone “mad” and Obama is quickly following her lead!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

nader had a brief moment in the spotlight years ago—and is of no signifience today–his opinion is just that–who really cares what he has to say

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

10 dollars an hour?
Who gave him the right to tell people how much they pay their employees? Ever hear of a job MARKET?
Budgets for employment will not just magically jump up 45% overnight. This would kill a lot of small businesses and put a lot of low skilled workers out of work.
Government run health care? Well gee, they do everything else so well don’t they? Even the father of Canada’s system claims it a failure.
Maybe Nader and Obama could go attend some basic High School economics classes together.

Posted by: DavidM | August 6, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

I actually supported Obama in the beginning, but can’t now. He is moving way to far to the center and is sounding more and more like Bush. I’m not real happy about McCain, other than the fact that he does lay out his plans, is solid in his stance, and will not be swayed by others. McCain is beginning to really appeal to Americans as we see that Obama has basically been an “empty suit with no substance”. I think we will continue to see McCain increas in the polls as Obama continues to wrap himself in turmoil, trying to please Pelosi, Reid, and Dean. And, I hate to say it, if he chooses Bayh, he will lose. If Obama chooses Hillary, he may have a chance.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

I’m about ready to vote for Nader.

Posted by: Susan | August 6, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

I’ve never given much credence to Nader, but he is the kind of individual with his words and tactics that can change the outcome of an election. There are a LOT of Americans that support Nader. With his sentiments of Obama, it doesn’t look good for Obama in the General Election.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

Obama laid out a detailed and comprehensive energy plan on Monday. His main goal is to reduce Americans’ dependence on foreign oil.
Posted by: Jennifer | Aug 6, 2008
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Jennifer,
I appreciate your passion, but unfortunately, you were fooled by 0-bama, and you were mistaken.
0-bama’s long-term strategic energy plan for this country to be competitive in world economy can be summarized by (1) producing 1 million electric plug-in cars, (2) 10% of total energy from corns, and (3)you use 15% less energy.
Just on (1), he did not tell you (a) 1 million cars, even without consuming a single drop of liquid (gasoline, or ethanol), do not make a dent to the oil-consumption, just by vehicles. 1 million cars constitute less than 0.77% of all cars running today on the road. Do you really think it will make you oil-independent?
(b) he did not know, or he did not tell you – either way proves he is unfit for being a president – that 80% of electricity is generated by burning coals and natural gas in this country. If you choose his plan to power vehicles, you will produce more green gas than Al Gore had ever dreamed of to warm up the planet. Which do you prefer? Destroy the planet by producing more green gas?
By the way, Gov. Richardson told him 0-bama could use clean carbon coal, so he will produce clean air – I think Gov. Richardson is doing it again, selling him out this time, on coals.
0-bama is clueless in understanding economic, technological, environmental, … issues are all intertwined, not something can be solved just by his simply empty headed deception to get a few extra votes.
Your only CLEAN solution to UNLIMITED energy source is Nuclear Energy, the place where McCain went yesterday.
He did not make 0-bama type hype, but it is something real, having some substance.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

Rodney, it seems that Obama is agreeing more and more with Bush now, as McCain is continuing to separate himself from Bush. Sometimes, reading Obama’s stance on the issues, I think I’m reading about Bush. Obama’s camp is hurting now and the GOP is going in for the kill. I knew it would be this way. Obama thought he had it in the bag with the MSM. He thought that beating Hillary in the primaries would automatcally give him the presidency. But now, he is in the big league, and the GOP will stop at nothing. Axelrod is no match for Schmidt….I’m telling you. The GOP will continue their onslaught in attacking Obama. It doesn’t look good for Obama. His only choice is to put Hillary on the ticket. Her supporters (PUMA), as CNN and MSNBC (Obama networks) stated, will have a definite negative impact on the Democratic Convention if Hillary is not on the ticket.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

It’s great that we have someone like Ralph Nader to help us see the Democrat and Republican candidates for what they really are which is simply CORPORATE CANDIDATES. I’m putting my support behind Nader so we can at the LEAST get him into the debates so he can shake things up. Which is exactly what this country needs.

Posted by: JS | August 6, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

whats the matter people obama not black enough not white enough for some SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST IGNORANT AND PATHETIC well most of you voted for bush!! that explains!! DAVE FROM TEXAS; mccain is well more known than obama running for a second time he should be blowing obama away not only by 3 or 4 points and not even, what does that tell you???

Posted by: angie | August 6, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

DAVID
i would fully agree with you on hillary—-but you have to consider what slick willy has done—-he is the albatross around her neck so to speak

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

RODNEY
thats why mccain isnt blowing obama away in the polls BECAUSE MCCAIN DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!!! he a lying confused old coot!!

Posted by: angie | August 6, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

DemocratNoMore2 – I agree and think that it’s odd that there hasn’t been more press about Obama’s birth certificate and the difficulty proving he was actually born in Hawaii – there have been a few stories but none in the mainstream media. Oddly, on the flip side, soon after McCain became the Republican nominee, there was quite a bit of press about the fact that he was born on a US military base in the Panama Canal region (to US citizens, his father was serving on a base overseas) – it was actually quite a big story, but nobody ever questioned the circumstances surrounding Obama’s birth. Just found that to be interesting.

Posted by: MIssy M | August 6, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

Angie, because McCain is a Republican,and the last 8 yrs, George Bush has screwed things up, voters automatically identify McCain with Bush. I think McCain has done a great job of distancing himself from Bush. Also, with 100% of the media, the news channels and all the analysts behing Obama, even though he was unknown, he had the support to blow McCain out of the water. Problem is, America has shifted their support to McCain and will continue to do so. The media and the DNC’s plan backfired. And now, Nader, is against Obama, which will only to continue to hurt Obama in the future. Here’s the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_el_pr/poll_obama_overexposure
Read it for yourself. With Obama’s continued flip flopping of his stance on the issues, its no wonder. Obama should do himself a favor and quit letting Pelosi and Reid treat him as their puppet!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Let’s see. What did pointing out that the ’61 Pontiac Tempest and the ’61 Chevy Corvair was unsafe have to do with the Civil Rights Movement? Yeah, Ralph Nader was dragged screaming from a
Corvair he was testing on the Pettus Bridge the day of the Selma march and beaten by Alabama state troopers. I forgot.

Posted by: Ricky | August 6, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

angie my dear –it is funny how most everything is about race including nader—-since obama is half white why is he not referred to as such.the color thing is injected to attempt to put fear in a certain segment of our population.

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

DAVID
i would fully agree with you on hillary—-but you have to consider what slick willy has done—-he is the albatross around her neck so to speak
Posted by: rodney | Aug 6, 2008 1:46:04 PM
Rodney, I do agree with you on slick willy……Hillary does not need him.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

I actually supported Obama in the beginning, but can’t now. He is moving way to far to the center and is sounding more and more like Bush.
Posted by: david from texas | Aug 6, 2008 1:33:37 PM

Why a surprise and why take you so long? 0-bama, as Nader pointed out, has Vigorously Defended not impeaching Bush and Cheney.
I think you first owe the rest of the 18 million people an apology, and then, we can together defeat 0-bama.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

david when you agree with 95% of the time–doesent that make him—mcbush

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

So sorry Ralphie. And, you aren’t the proud and out gay man that you should be, either.

Posted by: Michael J | August 6, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

If it weren’t for Nader bush probably never would have been president. Think about that for a minute…

Posted by: pt | August 6, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

I think you first owe the rest of the 18 million people an apology, and then, we can together defeat 0-bama.
Posted by: fact check | Aug 6, 2008 1:50:47 PM
I do apologize to the 18 million suporters. I just found out this morning that Obama refused to vote to impeach Bush / Cheney.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

I think ‘race’ should be left out of it…its stupid to base your vote on race.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

Rodney, I do agree with you on slick willy……Hillary does not need him.
Posted by: david from texas | Aug 6, 2008 1:50:44 PM
====
You both are blinded 0-bama supporters; of course you take every opportunity to trash your former president, the only successful 2-term president from the dems party in the past 60 years, who brought this country with unprecedented prosperity and peace during his 8 years in office.
Your phony Affirmative Action candi, as you do now, liked Clinto the same as the GW Bush administration. The final straw that convinced this voter that it is necessary to defeat this phony at all cost.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

jeremy—why does nader put the black man in his statement when obama is half white —–THINK ABOUT THAT—as color should have no bearing.

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Ralph Nader’s greatest accomplishment was shooting the Chevy Corvair off the market in the 1960′s. John McCain’s greatest accomplishment was getting shot down over North Vietnam in the 1960′s. Barak Obama’s greatest accomplishement hasn’t happened yet but will in November.
Oh, and David from Texas. Vote for anyone you like. Texas will vote for a third Bush term regardless.

Posted by: Ricky | August 6, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

fact chewhat world have you been living in the LAST 8 YEARS–

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

DAVID
from texas, you are hillarious but the fact is john mccain should be blowing obama away at this point explain why the voter registration turn out for democrats is 4 to 1 for republicans??? and btw if you belive mccain has distance from bush well i guess you belive in santa here are facts
MET WITH SENIOR BUSH IN MAINE A FEW WEEKS AGO
HIS CAMPAIGN IS LOADED WITH BUSH CROONIES
MET WITH JEB BUSH IN MEXICO ON HIS TRIP
HAD SECERT FUNRAISERS WITH BUSH A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND THE LIST GOES ON
NOW DAVE YOU KEEP BEING A GOOD BOY AND SANTA WILL COME!!

Posted by: angie | August 6, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

I do apologize to the 18 million suporters. I just found out this morning that Obama refused to vote to impeach Bush / Cheney.
Posted by: david from texas | Aug 6, 2008

Apology accepted. Then, we will defeat 0-bama, even though you still trash WJC.
Well, what the heck, at this point, the energy of my energy is a friend!

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Jeremy,
Fools ignor the facts. I didn’t say he shouldn’t run, I just pointed out that the last 8 years would have been better for everyone, even the top 1% that bush has helped so much.

Posted by: pt | August 6, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Rodney, the reason Ralph Nader is using race is because thus far it is the only thing that has gotten him coverage on ABC, where the race card is King. Still have the racist posts from Steveo and Barry Husseing Obama up, ABC?

Posted by: Ricky | August 6, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

rodney – Nadar is of no significance today? The man is running for president as an independent – he may not get much press and doesn’t have the multi-million dollar advertising budget that Obama has, but he is still significant. There are many voters who aren’t buying into either the Democratic or Republican party rhetoric, especially in this election, that makes third party candidates VERY significant.

Posted by: MIssy M | August 6, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

–Jennifer– I actually watched MSNBC and CNN. You jumped to the wrong. conclusion like other Obama supporters.
Senator McCain has been saying for months that we need to tap into and produce ALL energy sources. Obama does not. Obama is against nuclear energy, coal and only maybe on off-shore drilling. Over 70% think we should drill off-shore. And the surge in Iraq helped but Obama was against that too.

Posted by: Martin | August 6, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

I used to blame Nader for Gore losing in 2000, but now I realize that Gore is a loser, so it’s not really Nader’s fault. Speaking of losers, Obama is just another in a long line of losers the Democrats have offered us.

Posted by: Jane | August 6, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

How soon before Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton attack Ralph Nader so ABC can keep pushing the Race card? As soon as ABC cameras can find them.

Posted by: Ricky | August 6, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

angie -
voter registration is registration! Unlike you, voters have brains and they will choose the person who is fit to be a president.
People registered by dems or reps do not mean to necessarily vote for dems or reps.
Unless you are telling me 0-bama has been screening people and only registering those who promised to vote for him. Is that true?

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

sorry ricky—but it seems that nader is playing the race card—-it is right in front of you.

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

mccain has made a lot of gaffes lately.
He talked about the tire pressure and it backfired in his face.
He offered to have his wife compete in a topless beauty contest.
He confused the packers with the Steelers while talking to a Pittsburgh crowd.
He gets upstaged by Paris Hilton after he foolishly used her in an ad that really pis*sed off her mommy.
He talked about people having trouble paying for stuff while wearing $520 shoes.
People are going to start thinking that he is really losing it.

Posted by: pt | August 6, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

The fact is obama will win the east coast and the west coast but i dont see the south and we all know why!!

Posted by: angie | August 6, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

According to Larouche, billionaire NYC Mayor Bloomberg is the VP choice for both Dem and GOP parties.
Bloomberg may be installed as VP to put forth agenda of privatizing government programs, infrastructure and jobs for big $$$ on behalf of his bosses, international bankers and financiers.
These bosses’ wealth is apparently jeopardized with collapsing economies worldwide today and are desperate to maintain wealth.
It is said that Al Gore is another employee too of these international bankers and financiers and he may be installed as Prez as Obama self destructs in public from this point on to the convention.
Do you think there is any truth to this?

Posted by: francine223 | August 6, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

rodney – Oh, I agree that he won’t win, but when voters leave mainstream parties for other candidates, it can shake up the election quite a bit, especially in a close election and if recent polls are any indication, this election will be close. If Nadar gets even one or two percent of the vote, that could be enough to tip the scales, probably in Obama’s favor. That’s just one reason why third-party candidates are very important in any election. As for him being an old guy telling you what to do, well, he is old and he is trying to influence your vote, but when you go into that voting booth in November, you’re the one with the power and you have the choice to heed his advice, or not.

Posted by: MIssy M | August 6, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

The fact is obama will win the east coast and the west coast but i dont see the south and we all know why!!
Posted by: angie | Aug 6, 2008 2:10:07 PM

Kerry won the east coast, the west coast and Illinois!

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

mccain wants to stop jobs leaving our country——WHY WAS HE IN COLUMBIA PROPOSING NAFTA TYPE AGREEMENT WITH THEM—-YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS MCCAIN

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Nader, Nader…..charging that Obama is blurring things….Obama said a long time ago that “I will always tell you what i think” about an issue…
In terms of offshore drilling, he would tax the crap out of the 3% of oil that our country holds for the Republicans, and put that money into places that would break our addiction to Oil….its a compromise

Posted by: Oregon4Obama | August 6, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Nader……he is the reasion we are in this mess in the first place …….all the independent vote Al Gore would have received went to this jerk off(Nader)…..and Bush Jr messed up the country ……..So talk about not being the leader someone hoped for Nader is party responsible for the times……

Posted by: Country folk | August 6, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Oh, good…Ralph Nader *rolls eyes*. I find it completely impossible to take that insufferable pr**k seriously. He pops up every 2-4 years to get his name and face in the news, and that’s about it. He’s about as much of a consumer advocate as I am, and above all else, he’s completely enamoured with himself.

Posted by: Henderson | August 6, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

MISSY—VERY TRUE

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

According to Larouche, billionaire NYC Mayor Bloomberg is the VP choice for both Dem and GOP parties.
Bloomberg may be installed as VP to put forth agenda of privatizing government programs, infrastructure and jobs for big $$$ on behalf of his bosses, international bankers and financiers.
These bosses’ wealth is apparently jeopardized with collapsing economies worldwide today and are desperate.
It is said that Al Gore is another employee too of these international bankers and financiers and he may be installed as Prez as Obama self destructs in public from this point on to the convention.
Do you think there is any truth to this?

Posted by: francine223 | August 6, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

0-bama first was against NAFTA, purely for the purpose of deceiving Ohio voters against HRC – he lost badly. Now, 0-bama is for NAFTA, following McCain’s footstep.
Soon, 0-bama will also support NAFTA extended to Columbia.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

The wrinkly, white-haired guy made a huge mistake!!
This just keeps getting better….LOL I really like Paris now… She does have class!! Go Paris!!!
How Paris Hilton’s McCain response came about
Paris Hilton is often thought of as a cartoon, the prototypical shallow celebrity. That was certainly one point of John McCain’s commercial featuring her and Britney Spears (and likening Barack Obama to both).
Paris Hilton has responded to John McCain’s ad with her own video.
But upon seeing the McCain ad, director Adam McKay (“Step Brothers,” “Anchorman”) thought of Hilton differently — as an American citizen.
“I was literally in my car and thought Paris must respond. It’s her duty as a citizen,” McKay told CNN. “Within three hours I was on the phone with her and she was into it.”
McKay is also co-founder of FunnyOrDie.com, the comedy video Web site that posted the Hilton video. He observed that the Hilton response was a natural reaction to McCain’s ad.
“McCain made one huge mistake. He drifted into the world of pop culture. And that’s Paris’ world. She owns that world,” he said. “So now he gets the blowback.”
Now that the Hilton video (as expected) has received coverage on mainstream media outlets such as CNN, McKay has bigger plans.
“Our next goal is a town hall style debate between Paris, McCain and that sea creature that washed up in Montauk,” he said.
And could there be more videos?
“We’re praying that Obama does an ad with Screech from ‘Saved by the Bell,’ ” he said. Then he twisted a knife. “Or maybe McCain’s next ad about the trillions we’ve spent on the Iraq war while our economy falls apart will have Janet Jackson or Paula Abdul in it.”

Posted by: beck | August 6, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

NADER/GONZALEZ 08 !

Posted by: tww | August 6, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

It all comes down to whether or not you think we should continue to spend $10,000,000,000 a month in Iraq indefinitely and if you think that the bush/cheney policies have been good for the economy. If you think that this country deserves better then vote for Obama because mccain will certainly be 4 more years of the SAME. No matter how much mc-more-war tries to distance himself from the bush-league, when you vote for the bush policies 95% of the time that tells the story. Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | August 6, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

angie – It’s the voting record that matters – moderates love McCain because of his voting record, it’s the very reason why many republicans don’t like him – throughout his career he has gone against his own party to work with Democrats to get Legislation passed.The fact that the republican nominee would meet with a republican sitting president is not unusual and it doesn’t erase McCain’s voting record. The fact that he would meet with Jeb Bush in Mexico is not unusual either – Jeb Bush’s son is a GOP leader and influencial in the Hispanic community (Jeb Bush’s wife is Cuban) – he is key for helping McCain with the Hispanic vote – again, being associated with the Bushes does not erase MCCain’s voting record. When voting for a president, you should pay attention to the voting record, not what the politicians say.

Posted by: MIssy M | August 6, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

FACT CHECK and your point is?????

Posted by: angie | August 6, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

Rodney,
Are you voting for the BLACK GUY simply because he’s black. Nevermind, we all know the answer to that.
You’re a racist just like the rest.
Posted by: Jeremy | Aug 6, 2008 2:22:22 PM
===
Why can we all get along? – King

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

I hate to respond to the kind of lies Democratnomore2 is posting. But Barack Obama Sr is not listed anywhere as Arab. His father, Senator Obama’s grandfather, was born a Christian, and then converted to Islam (adding Hussein to his name). Obama Sr is most often referred to as an atheist, at most religious could be listed as a non practice muslim.
Senator Barack Obama is not now nor ever has been a muslim.

Posted by: markymark | August 6, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

As far as I’m concerned, politician say one thing to get elected and do another when they are in office. Obama has to be benign when it comes to Presidential Impeachment. Nader is mad at the wrong person, he should be upset with Nancy Pelosi, it is her job to push Impeachment trials forward. It is Pelosi who needs to be backing the Impeachment of the President and Vice President.

Posted by: Alexandria Anderson | August 6, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

angie,
The point is that 0-bama will lose, because he is unfit, unqualified, clueless except deception, and we will defeat him because he stole the nomination unfairly.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

Jeremy,
mccain did not have the sense to oppose the Iraq war, Obama did. mccain was quoting “mission accomplished” along with bush in 2003. We need someone with more common sense than mccain.

Posted by: pt | August 6, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

I’m here to address some of the confusions about my positions.
- Yes, I am against offshore drilling, but yes I will support offshore drilling
- Yes, I am against NAFTA but yes I am for it as well.
- I am for publicly financed campaigns but will not support it for myself.
Questions?? What’s that?? I don’t understand….flip flop flip flop.

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

markymark – actually I’m kind of glad McCain supporters are spouting off this Manchurian-Muslim stuff. It actually gives me hope for them.
Here’s what I mean. Unless you believed all the anti-American attack e-mails about Obama, supporting his opponent wouldn’t make any sense.
Now the ironic thing is a couple of those e-mails have been traced back to the computer that first hatched them – and its the same computer that put out some of the anti-McCain stuff before the 2000 South Carolina primary…
…you know, back when “good” Republicans believed McCain wasn’t mentally stable and had fathered non-white kids.
And still they don’t put this stuff together and start questioning whether any of these e-mails are worth the keystrokes that made them.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

If you intend on voting for Mccain as a protest to Clinton. Why don’t you vote for Nader? Maybe we could get to a point in this country where we would have a real choice for president. I honestly think Nader would be a better president that Obama or Mccain.

Posted by: Ken | August 6, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

That’s right ladies and gentlemen.
Race should NOT be a part of this election. And no one should bring it up.
By the way, did I mention that McCain is going to try to scare you because I’m black??? Ok, he hasn’t done it YET, but hypothetically he might, so he’s a hypothetical racist. Heck, that’s too hard to say. Let’s just say McCain is a racist and leave it at that.
Let’s work towards a post-racial society people, one where people do not race bait and don’t accuse others unjustifiably of being racist.
FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

I couldn’t agree more with Nader that Senator Obama isn’t the one civil rights leaders thought he would be, he’s more. A leader for all people regardless of their color or stature. I do disagree with Nader about impeaching Bush & Cheney. What’s the point at this time of the game. The ninth inning is almost over. All it would do is add insult and more debt to the injury that has already taken place. Let the man last out these last few month’s, hopefully without needlessly invading another country and maybe he’ll retire to his ranch in Paraguay.

Posted by: devilkev | August 6, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

Hey everybody, did I mention I’m black??
What’s that you say? Why are you bringing up that I’m black? … No I didn’t just say I’m black, you’re confused and didn’t understand what I meant. Clearly you’re not smart enough to talk to me.

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

“Yes, I am against offshore drilling, but yes I will support offshore drilling. Yes, I am against NAFTA but yes I am for it as well. I am for publicly financed campaigns but will not support it for myself.”
I guess when you live in a fantasy world of over-simplifications – the kind of fantasy world in which McCain makes sense – the above attacks have meaning.
For the rest of us, they don’t. Consider this statement, for example. I’m for taking my son to soccer practice, unless he has a cold. If I were a candidate, my Republican opponent would accuse me of being on both sides of the soccer practice issue.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

“I lost respect for him,” Nader said of Obama “when I saw him over a year ago on C-SPAN vigorously opposed to the impeachment of Bush and Cheney — vigorously opposed. He said it would be ‘divisive’. That is a cop out word. We have the most multiply impeachable presidency in American history.”
I did not know this….I did not know this. This is appalling. How could he “oppose” the war and at the same oppose the impeachment of the most corrupt administration in American history?
I was one of those upset with Nader in 2000…but I understood why he did it then and I certainly understand why he is doing it now. He is absolutely correct in his assessment of Barack Obama.
You may say what you may say about the Clintons but they are not hypocrites and do not deceive anyone. She was committed with all her faults to do what she believed in. Barack Obama is committed to getting to the presidency of the United States. His ambition blinded him into running unprepared and his ambition will blind him throughout his presidency. Make no mistake about it, he will be president of the United States. It has been written by the powers that be and the press is deeply involved in this matter and it is doing anything it can to get him there. McCain is fighting a worthy battle, but he will lose it at the end. Either it will be snatched from him or the bad press will get him, but Barack Obama is the next president of the U.S. the leader of the free world. Oh Boy.

Posted by: poh123 | August 6, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

david from texas,
Keep on hoping for a miracle.
In the world of the Deity, miracles are not miracles if they work against the Messiah or Chosen One.
So, my dear cowboy from Texas, your prayers will be in vain.
Barack Obama will be Inaugurated POTUS in Jan ’09.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 6, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Join John McCain on his “Obsession with Celebrity” tour.
A free Janet Jackson boob-shot t-shirt to the first 12 who sign up.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

Paul,
That is correct and I like your analogy. Let me try one of my own:
- I am AGAINST offshore drilling, UNLESS SUPPORTING offshore drilling will help me in the polls.
- As I steadfastly maintain, offshore drilling will help very little our situation. But I SUPPORT it because the polls say I should
FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP

Posted by: Barry | August 6, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

Paul,
The question is why this phony cannot say, Yes, I am for Muslim, and for Buhdaism, Catholic-ism, Me-ism, Jewism, Taoism, as well as all religions? Isn’t he The One selling himself this phony way?
What’s wrong being an honorary member of a religion group? Besides, he became a Black Hawk a few months ago, did he not?

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

steve
BY THE BIGGEST LANDSLIDE EVER.

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

I am DISGUSTED by this article, specifically, and by Ralph Nader in general!!! “Obama is not the Black president we who worked in the civil rights movement had hoped for….” EXCUSE ME!! What the heck kind of comment is that? Tell us, Ralph… what kind of “black” president were you hoping for? It’s not like Obama has an example to live by. And since when did you work in the civil rights movement? How many sit-ins did you participate in? How many marches did you organize with Martin Luther King, Jr.? How many water hoses were turned on you? Where were you on “bloody Sunday?” I sincerely doubt it. Do us all a favor Ralph…. go away!

Posted by: Stopthemadness | August 6, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Fact Check.
I don’t appreciate the names. I am NOT a Muslim, I vehemently deny it. However, we should have nothing against Muslims and people should not vehemently deny they are, just politely say they aren’t.
I support Muslims in American, many are decent people with a bad rap. However, please do not place any Muslims behind me on camera when I am giving speeches. They’ll kill me in the polls!
FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

poh: “I did not know this. This is appalling.”
Hate to break it to you, but I think the only Democrat who was in favor of impeachment proceedings against Bush was Kucinich. No one else wanted to go near any of that.
The reason, simply, is that much of the argument for impeachment was based on circumstantial evidence that Bush had manipulated information to convince the American people of a need to invade Iraq. Without hard evidence, the likes of which could stand up in the “court” of Congress, not to mention the court of media pundits, it would simply degenerate into a partisan food fight.
Even now, this thing about the forgery that some book is claiming the Executive Branch fabricated; even those accusations point more to Cheney than to Bush, from what I heard last night from the author.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

As I re-read these posts. I find, Angie, that you are waaaaayyyyy to involved here and a lot of your posts have no credence, except that you like to hurl insults to others who are trying to have intelligent conversation. Please, give it a rest….you’re making yourself look completely stupid.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

factcheck: “What’s wrong being an honorary member of a religion group?”
Um, did you read that to yourself before hitting ‘post?’ An honorary member of a religious group? I guess that could work if you only see church membership as being the same as joining the local Elks.
But that aside, when did Obama say he had anything against any religion? I must have missed that.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Looks like Fact Check is scared that we might actually have a decent president at the white house. Give it a rest man, no one comes here to get their minds changed. You are wasting your time, and you look very feeble. Are you really John McSame?

Posted by: John | August 6, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Ralph Nader is Ralph Nader. We will not change him. He will continue to be the “spoiler” in elections. However, it does appear that Obama has lost his appeal to the American voter. A lot of it is due, in part, to the media treating him as if he is already the president. This is not neccesariy Obama’s fault, he loves the attention, but, America is tired of it. They are tired of this media blitz of Obama. And now, Obama’s flip flops continue to hurt him….we never know from day to day what stance he will take on the issues. This is a fact, even the Obama supporters have to agree with this.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Paul,
That is correct. I having nothing against any religion.
That being said, I am against having Muslims appear behind me when giving speeches on camera.

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Since Paris has one-upped mccain with her new ad, maybe mccain should one-up her by making a video of himself getting out of limo with no pants on, and his wife could be topless!!!

Posted by: pt | August 6, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

McCain did not rail on Paris….he compared Obama to her. You Obamanuts make no sense, you defend Paris but you are upset that obama was lumped in the celebrity club with her.

Posted by: chattyway | August 6, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

From Gallup today:
McCain 44%, Obama 46%
gallup.com

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

just remember that that obama is white and all will be ok—look at him as a guy with a deep tan—–one of my friends who is for obama told his grandmother who is very old–and her first comment was oh my dont vote for a BLACK guy—AND THAT ABOUT SUMS IT UP–MORE TRUTH IN THIS THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE.

Posted by: rodney | August 6, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Actually, I think the Paris video was more of an insult to Obama than McCain! McCain is getting good ratings because of it and it looks like the ad is having a negative affect on Obama.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

I believe Nader just is jealous of Obama because he first is a black president if he wins. Nader just like to insult and demonstrate everyone world. Nader is very EGO person

Posted by: Douglas | August 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

chatty,
Try telling that to mommy Hilton.

Posted by: pt | August 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

David from Texas: “However, it does appear that Obama has lost his appeal to the American voter.”
Huh. And NBC is reporting today that Obama’s electoral standing is looking stronger today than a week ago.
Based on what they’re saying, without a major shake-up of some kind, its down to McCain needing a perfect run of all the battleground states.
That said, I’ll be the first to acknowledge its early and even these state by state polls mean little when taken so far out from election day.
The conventions will have their impact, as will the debates. And who knows what external dynamics will change between now and November.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

I think Nader is reading the writing on the wall…….and feels Obama will lose the election and is just distancing himself from the loser.

Posted by: chattyway | August 6, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Rodney,
I find your rhetoric divisive. There is no place for race baiting in my campaign, and I won’t stand for it.
Did I mention that in a hypothetical world John McCain might try to scare you about the fact I’m black? That’s racism people, and you should vote for McCain simply because of that. Who could vote for a guy who hypothetically (in my head) would make a racist comment?
Let’s work toward a post-racial society people.
FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

Eff you, Nader.

Posted by: Samir | August 6, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

chatty: “McCain did not rail on Paris…”
No, but he invoked her poor reputation for the sake of a political joke, and then felt compelled to answer her response to the original joke.
Your candidate actually engaged in a give and take with Paris Hilton, lol.
No matter how you slice it, that’s pretty pathetic.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Is that it dave 2 points up dont you think your maverick should be doing better????? truth is mccain is no maverick the only thing he offers is the last 7 years of mess mcbush all the way!!

Posted by: angie | August 6, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Poll: Nearly half hearing too much about Obama
With Election Day still three months away, 48 percent said they’re hearing too much about the Democratic candidate, according to a poll released Wednesday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center. Just 26 percent said the same about his Republican rival, John McCain.
Two-thirds of Republicans and about half of independents said they’ve heard too much about Obama, as did a third of Democrats, a significant number.
At the same time, nearly four in 10 said they’ve been hearing too little about McCain — about four times the number who said so about Obama. About half of Republicans, four in 10 independents and even a quarter of Democrats said they’ve not heard enough about the GOP candidate.
Looks like the MSM plan to try and push Obama down America’s throat has backfired. And now, it seems, with all of Obama’s flip-flopping, that his campaign is beginning to implode.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

David from Texas,
That is untrue. Americans will never tire of hearing about Barry. They can’t get enough of me. They all love me, they all worship me. I will be the savior, the king, the ONE of not only the Earth, but the universe.
That’s right people, Barry has made contact with the “others”.

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

I think Nader is reading the writing on the wall…….and feels Obama will lose the election and is just distancing himself from the loser.
Posted by: chattyway | Aug 6, 2008 2:54:22 PM
Good Point.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

David from Texas,
That is untrue. Americans will never tire of hearing about Barry. They can’t get enough of me. They all love me, they all worship me. I will be the savior, the king, the ONE of not only the Earth, but the universe.
That’s right people, Barry has made contact with the “others”.
Posted by: Barry Obama | Aug 6, 2008 2:59:15 PM
I love the satire, so sad that Obama and many of his supporters actually believe it to be true!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

David – I think you’re reading those poll results incorrectly. Hearing too much about Obama could mean they are growing tired of McCain’s negativity, and want to see some scrutiny of the Arizona senator as well.
Remember that while Obama has dominated the coverage, the majority of that coverage has been negative, according to some study the media was talking about last week. It was something like 72 percent negative and 28 percent positive.
Maybe people want to see some of that scrutiny on McCain.
Do we really think the guy, obviously gaffe prone and so obsessed with celebrities as he is, can withstand the scrutiny?

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

The AP reports:
Obama’s proposal, though, includes two significant reversals of positions he has taken in the past: He had steadfastly fought the idea of limited new offshore drilling and was against tapping the nation’s emergency oil stockpile to relieve pump prices that have stubbornly hovered around $4 a gallon.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

The New York Post reports:
One more week, one more Barack Obama reversal on a key issue.
Actually, make that two reversals.
The Democratic presidential hopeful says he’s now open to easing the offshore-drilling ban, and he wants to tap the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
What a difference a few polls make, no?

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

David from Texas,
What the AP didn’t report in that article is that while I am not against offshore drilling steadfastly I am also not not against it. There’s no inconsistency there.

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

First, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her anti-energy allies in the House skipped town without even scheduling a vote on The American Energy Act – the kind of common sense, “all of the above” energy strategy Americans favor.
Then MoveOn.org sent a desperate email to their supporters asking for money to air an ad to slow the momentum of the movement for America to develop more American energy now.
And Senator Obama, who until late last week opposed offshore drilling, said he would now favor offshore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy strategy for America.
But we all know that after a retreat, the opposition will try to regroup. It’s time to double our efforts to prevent that from happening.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

I have a question for voters:
If I reverse my position on abortion rights, will that help me in the polls?
Or am I better off saying I’m for abortion but also against it as a compromise?
Your input greatly appreciated.

Posted by: Barry Obama | August 6, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

“I think Nader is reading the writing on the wall…….and feels Obama will lose the election and is just distancing himself from the loser.”
Oh my gosh, you guys are reaching now, lol. You actually think a third party candidate feels the need to distance himself… That’s just about the nuttiest thing I’ve heard all day.
Well, I take it back. McCain engaging Paris Hilton in debate is the nuttiest.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

RALPH WHO ???

Posted by: Nando, Florida | August 6, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

Barry – you bring up a good point. Abortion is like the only issue McCain hasn’t flip flopped on.
But McCain’s flip flops pale next to his pathetic celebrity obsession.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

I guess we’re just not all as smart as Texans…the same people who voted for George W as governor, then President…twice!
Thanks for your input Texas…America really needs more of your wisdom!
Obama 08!

Posted by: "wisdom" from the south? | August 6, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

The list of issues on which Barack Obama has flipped now that the primaries are over is long and growing rapidly.
• He says he believes in a Second Amendment right to bear arms.
• He now opposes late-term abortion.
• He suddenly is a devotee of using faith-based institutions to deliver public services.
• He now says that he won’t raise Social Security taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year. In the primary, he said he’d eliminate the threshold entirely, including on people making as little as $100,000.
• He recently opposed the Fairness Doctrine for talk radio.
• Now he says he’s going to consult with the military before pulling out of Iraq.
But so extensive a list of flip-flops, all in the past few weeks, begs the basic question: Was he lying before when he was a liberal, or is he prevaricating now?
Even if Obama means what he is saying as he moves to the center trying to win the general election, the fact is that he will be forced to move very far to the left should he become president, forced by the liberals in his own party.
If Obama wins, it’s more than likely that he will take office with a Congress filled with Democrats and liberals. Most probably, the Senate will have at least 55 Democrats (including pickups in Colorado, New Mexico, Virginia, New Hampshire and Alaska). And there might be as many as 62 (possible Democratic pickups include Maine, Minnesota, Oregon, Kentucky, Texas, Kansas and North Carolina). The House will, of course, be solidly in Democratic control.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

An honorary member of a religious group? I guess that could work if you only see church membership as being the same as joining the local Elks.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 6, 2008 2:49:07 PM
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0-bama did. He even claims not knowing what was said in the local Elks for 20 years, but still could not disown it as much as he could not disown his grandmother, unless both became inconvenient. One became typical, one was abandoned.
The pattern is clear: Do and say anything for one simple purpose, get your vote at whatever costs before you are awake.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

david from texas,
You have been seeing too much of Cindy McCain.
Stop taking that crack buddy.
The paris clip is helpinc MCSame? You must be dreaming.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 6, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

Lol, fact check, take things out of context much?
Now let’s get back to John McCain offering up his wife for a topless contest. Very presidential.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Aston, lets not get personal, now, about Lil’ Barack.

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

david from texas,
Your list was only a small, a little devilish.
He fooled you by promising you to oppose and filabuster the bill to allow the government to spy on you, only when he did not need your votes, or he thought he had your votes, he voted for it.
He just took your liberty, your rights of privacy away.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Steve_NJ….why is it, that Obamacons, have such a problem with the truth and facts? I’m confused. I think someone, here in Texas, said that TS Edouard would not hit Texas if only lord Obama would raise his hands to the gulf and say, “Be still”. Some of the Obmabots actually believe Obama has this power. Give it a rest. Face the facts…Obama is sinking, and will continue to sink until November when President McCain gives his victory speech!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Just curious, when did ABCNews.com become FOX News? Some of you posters need hobbies, education — or both…desperately.

Posted by: ndo | August 6, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

fact check….I didn’t have ROOM enough to post ALL the flip flops Obama has made. I would have to get an entire domain to do that!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Oh, and this story is breaking. A bundler for McCain claims a bunch of people in one California community donated checks. But when the media follows up, these people say, “what checks?” And when this guy is asked where all the money came from, he says he has business friends in Saudi Arabia.
Somehow I don’t think this was within the spirit of McCain-Feingold, but I’m not sure.
The weird thing is the guy was also bundling for Hillary Clinton. I guess he’s a hired bundler who will bundle for anyone.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Paul,
I already said, topless, at breast level, is a lot fun, eye-pleasing, HARMless to your liberty, than topless above the neck from the brain-dead who only became proud of her country after her husband gained Affirmative Action access.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Aston: “Paul, You’re sure taking things out of context. Calling the kettle black is the sign of an immature mind!”
For instance?
I’m not offended by the immature mind thing, because, well, I do, lol. But unlike John McCain I’m not subjecting my immaturity upon the electorate (other than the five of us here, lol).
But what have I taken out of context?

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

david from texas,
I will give you $1,000.00 if Barack is not Inaugurated POTUS on Jan ’09.
I will only take $1.00 from you if I win.
Is that confidence or what. Oh I forgot. I am an ELITIST (the new Repug term for Democrat)

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 6, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

Speaking of affirmative action, where is Michelle Obama these days? LOL!

Posted by: Jason | August 6, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

You know, Nadar is fooling himself this time. Before he was only fooling us. That’s a deep character flaw.

Posted by: L. M. Moon | August 6, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

fact check: “I already said, topless, at breast level, is a lot fun, eye-pleasing, HARMless to your liberty.”
So you’re okay with a presidential candidate offering up his wife for one of these things? Or any guy for that matter.
Wow. Where were you before I met my wife?

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

david from texas,
I will give you $1,000.00 if Barack is not Inaugurated POTUS on Jan ’09.
I will only take $1.00 from you if I win.
Is that confidence or what. Oh I forgot. I am an ELITIST (the new Repug term for Democrat)
Posted by: Steve_NJ | Aug 6, 2008 3:20:28 PM
Whats your email, I want my money!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Paul,
Have you seen or heard from the brain-dead lately?

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Yeah, david from texas, I’d have to call his bluff on that one, too. I do think Obama is probably going to win, but I’d place a dollar bet at a thousand-to-one odds on any major party candidate.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

hey Fact, wanna split the $1000.00 Steve_NJ is going to give me when President McCain is sworn in?

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

So you’re okay with a presidential candidate offering up his wife for one of these things? Or any guy for that matter.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 6, 2008 3:21:43 PM

Better than offering up his wife to hate your country.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

“Have you seen or heard from the brain-dead lately?”
McCain?
Actually we’re talking about politicians, and show me one who has never been called brain dead, and I’ll show you one no one ever noticed. So you do have to be more specific.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Today at the drug store saw magazine with headlines stating something about Michelle-Barack Obama splitting up. Is this true?

Posted by: Mai | August 6, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

david from texas,
Send me your e-mail buddy. Afterall you are risking just a buck for 1.0K smackaroons.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 6, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

hey Fact, wanna split the $1000.00 Steve_NJ is going to give me when President McCain is sworn in?
Posted by: david from texas | Aug 6, 2008 3:24:19 PM
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No, but thanks. I will get my own $1000 from 0-bama directly since he has already promised to give everyone $1000 if he is elected.
He will rob the evil oil companies, companies that power the economy of your country, divide it and split with you.
I am a beneficiary, even I vote against him, since for Ala’s sake, the Bill he supported to spy on you has not fully implemented to record your voting records yet.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

“Today at the drug store saw magazine with headlines stating something about Michelle-Barack Obama splitting up. Is this true?”
This isn’t one of those tabloids that also claims NASA found Elvis performing at the Cosmos Cafe on Mars, is it?
That said, every once in a while those tabloids do find something real. Looks like they might have got it right with John Edwards.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Paul: ya, I was just reading on other another site that he is today demanding a “surge on the economy” like the “surge on the war” he said that worked so if we surge the economy today it should work???
OMG!!! please help us…stop the madness.

Posted by: beck | August 6, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Whats your email address, Steve! I want my money! Any other takers out there? Lets ALL send Steve our email addresses……man, some people just make me laugh!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

Oh ya, Paul: that was in front of a dozen people.
You supporters of McCains what is wrong can’t afford to get off work for a day of McCain???

Posted by: beck | August 6, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

fact: “No, but thanks. I will get my own $1000 from 0-bama directly.”
Sheesh. Fact… you were offered a chance to win $500 if McCain is elected and you turned it down because you’re going to get a grand if Obama is elected? Why not hedge your bets and take either?
David, though I’m an Obama supporter, I’d accept that generosity in a second… if you’re still inclined to give half away.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Off The Press
McCAIN IS A RISKIER CHOICE THAN OBAMA
McCain could die before inauguration day.
It was circulating as a rumor but now seems to be gaining some credence.
McCain’s skin cancer is back.
McCain has also been confirmed to have prostate cancer. Doctor’s are determining whether it is contained or may have metastasized.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 6, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Ralph Nader is a washed up has been. He and Jessie Jackson are part of the “Old School” politics when all they could see is getting a place at the table. The world has evolved since their time and they have failed to recognize it. Because the younger generation chooses not to be as radical as they were, it doesn’t suit them. Obama was completely correct. Trying to impeach Bush and Cheney would not only be a waste of time, but it would also further divide the country. To impeach you need 2/3 majority in both chambers. The democrats do not have enough votes either in the House or Senate. So all would happen is they would fight and fight only to have the impeachment go down in vote. The smart thing to do is move on and start working on repairing the damage those two idots have done to this country. Obama has taken the intelligent approach.

Posted by: William | August 6, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

See, if you call on Ala, even 0-bama cannot get a hand on spying you. No wonder why 0-bama hates Muslim so much to vehemently denying it.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Here comes the WINDBAG.
Amazing how this man picks up the self-appointed Independence call for duty every 4 years to attack the Democratics.
Can anyone say Republican payroll?

Posted by: clarity | August 6, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Hey Paul….its urs if ya want it! Man, here in the Texas hills, i didnt know a feller could win some loot from these here blogs….let me tell the ole lady we’re gonna git $500 bucks…heck, thats a lot of money here in the lone star state!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Steve: “McCain’s skin cancer is back.”
Sorry, buddy, but if we’re going to call the stupid stuff about Obama as tabloid crap, we have to do the same with the stupid stuff about McCain. The recent skin removal was reported to have been benign.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Steve_NJ – There is a similar rumor, in reverse about Obama (a compulsive smoker for 20 years) and lung cancer. Rumors sure do make you think don’t they?

Posted by: Mrs. Tea | August 6, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Off The Press
McCAIN IS A RISKIER CHOICE THAN OBAMA
McCain could die before inauguration day.
It was circulating as a rumor but now seems to be gaining some credence.
McCain’s skin cancer is back.
McCain has also been confirmed to have prostate cancer. Doctor’s are determining whether it is contained or may have metastasized.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | Aug 6, 2008 3:32:49 PM
Ok, this is sick, seriously! We have a lot of fun and games taunting each other on here and thats ok. I would not celebrate ANY candidate or person by having cancer. I tell you what, don’t reference me in your post anymore. This is way to low to give credence. I just lost a family member to cancer. It’s not a funny thing to go thru. Steve, you need to grow up! Seriously, man, GROW UP!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

After barely a week on the job, Barack Obama’s Muslim outreach adviser resigned from the campaign after an old business connection with a fundamentalist Islamic imam.

So much hatred, 20 years bruise in Trinity will made a toll on you.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Paul,
Stop helping the Repugs.
Why are McCain supporters and the press silent on this. This warrants some investigation.
We don’t want a dead man walking running for POTUS.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 6, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Thanks man. I doubt we’ll collect, but the odds of McCain winning certainly aren’t as low as a thousand to one. I’d put it more like 60-40.
Those are odds, and from someone with absolutely no experience at setting them… but just wanted to be clear I’m not predicting a 60-40 percentage of votes. I think either major party could run Barry Bonds or even that annoying guy from the infomercials with the question marks all over his jacket, and he’d get better than 40 percent of the vote.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

Sorry, Steve, but if spreading rumors about cancer is what it takes to win, I’m not on board.
Besides, let’s all keep a little perspective. These boards don’t actually influence any votes. They’re just a place for us junkies to come play. There’s no reason saying or doing anything here that any of us might be embarrassed or sorry about later.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

I’m outta here. Have a good one!

Posted by: david from texas | August 6, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Another judgment mistake on the type of people he trusts, he uses, he surrounds himself, by kicking out his new Muslim adviser.
Perhaps he does not need it any way since they will be put in the back row, way way back so that nobody can see them.

Posted by: fact check | August 6, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

“I will not be here if I were wworried about saying something I could be sorry about tomorrow. Don’t take yourseldf too seriously bud. That is the problem with you ELITIST.”
You have to be elitist to have a conscience? Whoa, who knew. I am an elitist.
Speaking of elitism, are there any Navy vets in the house. Among the Services, the Navy has a reputation for having the most elitist officers.
When Marines go on ship, we’re embarrassed by the trappings – especially at meals, when the enlisted folks who get assigned to the Ward Room have to even fetch our cups of coffee.
Anyway, the Navy officers have a expression for their enlisted sailors. Enlisted Friends. Its what they think is funny, because the F means something else. Seriously, they think this is funny.
Kind of makes you wonder what John McCain means when he calls everyone, “my friend.”

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Muslim outreach director resigns due to problems with his relationships with Hamas terrorist group. What about all the vetting that his campaign is supposed to do? I think they just keep someone around until the money flow donations are transferred. Of course Obama is not muslim, it’s only the muslims that think he is and the republicans.

Posted by: Tonya | August 6, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Well, Ralph,
My question would be, “Which Obama are you talking about?”
Hussein Obama positions on everything from religion to economy to military to whatever change from day to day.
How can anyone contemplate the failure or success of Hussein Obama?
There is simply nothing to measure.

Posted by: Jayhawk | August 6, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

One of my children is old enough to vote in the general election this time. Dreading the answer, I asked who he would support. Nader, he replied. I never thought I would thank God for one of my own voting for Nader, but if it means one less vote for O-blah-blah, then thank God!

Posted by: FlaLady | August 6, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Jayhawk: “How can anyone contemplate the failure or success of Hussein Obama? There is simply nothing to measure.”
Jayhawk, Obama successfully derailed the major political machine in Democratic Party circles. He successfully ran an extremely organized campaign team – one of the better run campaigns we’ve seen in a long time.
And he’s successfully drawn out what I believe is the real John McCain – not the happy warrior he pretends to be, but a low-road candidate dripping with anger, negativity and even borderline obsession.
Now what has McCain accomplished, in his many more years?

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Paul, it is not whether there is “evidence” or not, although if there were any journalists out there worth their salt information I am sure detailed information would just pour out about the disastrous and corrupt Bush administration, but that is another story.
It was his stand on it. I am sure, actually, absolutely certain that every “Washington insider” including Barack Obama who is, by the way, the biggest insider of all, know that there has been plenty of foul play in the Bush presidency.
It is the hypocrisy of this man. If it would have been any one else saying it, okay. But when you live by the sword… well you know the rest, and Mr. Obama has painted himself as the sword carrying savior of American politics.
His uncanny read of the mood and needs of the American (and European) populace have given him absolute confidence in their stupidity.
Niccoló Machiavelli stated in The Prince: “Politics have no relation to morals”. Mr. Obama is a masterful politician not a man of the people. Mr. Obama has no morals. He will do and say anything to get to the presidency. People thought Hillary “was bad” they ain’t seen nothing yet.

Posted by: poh123 | August 6, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

CNN’s National Poll of Polls
White Americans, Male Or Female, ages 18-49, Hispanic & Asian Americans, Independents, Moderate Republicans, Gay Americanns, Poor and Middle Classed Americans….
Will Vote for Barack Obama…
Deal with and Live with it..
“My Friends” as Old Geezer John McCain Constantly Says !!
My Friends, My Friends such an Overplayed an Overused Phrase…
My Friends
Barack Obama 48% 43% John McCain
RECENT POLLS: 8/4 | 8/1 | 7/30 | 7/28
CNN’s “poll of polls” consists of four surveys: CNN/Opinion Research Corp. (July 27-29),
AP-IPSOS (July 31-August 4), USA Today/Gallup (July 25-27) and Gallup tracking (August 2-4).
The poll of polls showed 9% unsure; it does not have a sampling error. More polls

Posted by: o. | August 6, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

I agree with William. I am old enough to remember how Nader exploded on the scene in 1965, standing up against car manufacturers’ resistance on spending money for safety features like seat belts. Today Ralph Nader is beyond his time; he’s “unsafe at any speed”. Just like the washed-up caved-in Senator McCain – Ralph Nader is no longer a Maverick.

Posted by: Old School | August 6, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

“when hillary and obama have essentialy the same platform—” Obama lied and voted for FISA when he said he would filibuster the FISA vote. Hillary voted no to FISA. Obama lied about his uncle liberating Jews from Auschwitz. Hillary never stated she had an uncle who liberated Jews. Obama lied about using public financing for the general election. Hillary didn’t go back on her public financing promise. Hillary is NOTHING like Obama. VOTE NO TO RACIST, BIGOTED OBAMA SUPPORTERS AND THEIR SILENCE WHEN FELLOW OBAMA SUPPORTERS SPEW RACIST, BIGOTED REMARKS.

Posted by: Jeff | August 6, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

poh: “Mr. Obama has painted himself as the sword carrying savior of American politics.”
I guess things differ depending on the eye of the beholder, but I don’t think that characterization is correct – the sword carrying part.
The way I saw it, he was the anti-partisan warrior, which is the quality that initially impressed so many of us independents, who were tired of the food fights.
Actually his willingness to allow limited offshore drilling in order to reach a compromise that includes a robust set of initiatives for alternative energy is more along the lines of the initial promise we saw in the guy.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

“Hussein Obama, Hussein Obama”
That B!tch clinton, Tried to Scare Monger by using this Strategy….
I Suggest all of YOU who post his Middle Name Over an Over do Realize, that the Redundancy Did Not Pay Off for Hillary and it will NOT Pay Off for YOU either.
Hussein, Hussein, hussein…Thats his Middle Name…
Who Cares and who will Vote on that Premise….Only Those that were Not going to Vote for him, in the 1st place.
You Low Life’s think you will Influence Others that are going to Vote for him, ANYWAY…
You will Not Dissuade or Persuade them with this Bland Ole Scare Tactic…
Come up with something More Invenmtive, more Creative than that….
Hussein is an Ole Hillary Clinton Trick.
Hahahahaha !!!

Posted by: o. | August 6, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

CNN’s National Poll of Polls
Note: White Americans & Afro-Americans, Male Or Female, ages 18-49, Hispanic & Asian Americans, Independents, Independent & Moderate Republicans, Gay Americans, Middle and Poor Classed Americans….
Will Vote for Barack Obama…
Deal with and Live with it..
“My Friends” as Old Geezer John McCain Constantly Says !!
My Friends, My Friends such an Overplayed an Overused Phrase…
My Friends
Barack Obama 48% 43% John McCain
RECENT POLLS: 8/4 | 8/1 | 7/30 | 7/28
CNN’s “poll of polls” consists of four surveys: CNN/Opinion Research Corp. (July 27-29),
AP-IPSOS (July 31-August 4), USA Today/Gallup (July 25-27) and Gallup tracking (August 2-4).
The poll of polls showed 9% unsure; it does not have a sampling error. More polls

Posted by: o. | August 6, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

I’m going to go out on a limb and predict Ralph Nader will not win the presidency. Having said that, who gives a rat’s a-s what he thinks.
I now understand what the news media means when they say educated people are going for Obama; because only an ignorant uninformed person would based his or her vote on the candidate middle name. I’m surprised they know how to type.

Posted by: voter100 | August 6, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

soetoro no:
where ya hiding yours?

Posted by: shalom | August 6, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

voter100 – I think Obama has delivered the best line of the campaign season to date, when he said, “Its like these guys are proud of being ignorant.”
At the risk of demeaning McCain supporters, they do seem to thrive on that persona – someone who is proud of his ignorance.

Posted by: Paul | August 6, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

Why is Nader getting press headlines? Yawn. Who cares what the perpetual canidate has to say anymore.
Where’s the press time for Bob Barr? Shouldn’t his views be in the news as well? I mean, fair is fair.

Posted by: judesuper | August 6, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

That’s twice in recent weeks that he’s nailed him good.

Posted by: Marty | August 6, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Nader probably would make a better president than both of them. But Obama beats McCain by a mile. Ya know, McCain’s been hammering away at Obama for weeks on drilling for oil. But when Obama agrees to a compromise, McCain calls him a flip flopper. Some more of that dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t campaign wizardry by John McCain. Has anyone noticed that all of the mainstream press is on a bash Obama kick. The more McCain alienates the public the more his poll numbers seem to clime. How does that old gray haired guy do it. Democrats are registering by the thousands in 48 out of 50 states, while republicans are a dying breed. So what’s going on? Ah yes, their all corrupt. Every stinking one of them. When Paris Hilton put out that add yesterday slamming McCain, FOX news kicked it into overdrive with Obama bashing. I think this election will be the one that shows the American people just how corrupt everything is.

Posted by: Mike | August 6, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Hey, Ralphie boy, why don’t you attack McCain and the Republicans who are the real disappointment as leaders. No one could be worse than Bush and McCain is not much better…with his successful surge baloney. Iraq has been nothing but a bindle and the surge has been only a band-aid creating economic woes in this country. McCain’s attitude is built on dreams and militarism. Nader disgusts me the way he comes after the Democrats!

Posted by: Two-cats | August 6, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Lol. I as a black man couldn’t care less what Nader thinks a black Pres should be like. This dude gets less relevant by the minute…..

Posted by: The Oracle728 | August 6, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

Lol. Still grasping for straws huh Terry??

Posted by: The Oracle728 | August 6, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Terry,
Thank you for providing the link about Obama’s communist mentor, Davis. It is very informative about what is behind Obama’s current ideas of “hope and change” and what that might translate into if Obama should become President. Pretty scary in my opinion.

Posted by: May | August 6, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

Well May, scared adults never get anything in life. So you and Terry keep burying your heads in the sand like an ostrich while Repugs run our country into the ground….

Posted by: The Oracle728 | August 6, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

The Oracle728,
LOL, Obama’s poll numbers are coming down in large part to the fact the public is finally becoming aware of Obama’s very radical, Communist leaning and anti-American background. Frank Marshall Davis is just one more Obama mentor in a long line of anti-American leftist mentors in Obama’s background.
Obama’s numerous Communist and anti-American mentors is very disturbing but helps to make clear why Obama is such a big time statist. Obama will reduce our freedoms via confiscating the people’s property and wealth via higher taxes, more and more government regulations over the way we live our lives and by weakening us against our enemies abroad. This is the substance of Obama’s message of “hope and change”. Turn your life over to the tender mercies of some government worker and let them decide what and how much you will receive (if your a good serf and follow all the rules) at the direction of all powerful and all knowing Lord Obama. This will translate into a worse life for Americans in general. I realize some people actually think that’s good, but we aren’t living in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia, so I reject the idea that citizens should be mere serfs to the all powerful state. A human being should have sovereignty over his or her’s own life, not the State under the direction of Obama.

Posted by: Terry | August 6, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Terry & May, what hole did you two crawl out of? It’s people like you that is the problem. You can’t think for yourselves so you run scared with other uninformed idiots.

Posted by: voter100 | August 6, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

oops…Ralph Nader is not the man Obama used to know….make room under that bus.
PS – Read “Obama Nation” – great book just released…VERY insightful. Of course the kool aid drinkers won’t read it. They don’t care about the character of this man…I don’t care if they bash McCain for character and issues but at least see what your guy is all about.
He is like the guy who works for a company a year or two, accomplishes zippo and is off to the next bigger and better job (he landed because he is a really slick interviewee and padded his resume). He can’t stay anywhere long enough to make a positive impact. He is constantly looking for a better gig and you a-h*les handed it to him on a silver platter.

Posted by: BabsNJ | August 6, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

The Oracle728, First off, the Republicans are not running “our country into the ground….” the Democrats are and you may be praying for a Bush third term if Obama gets elected.
Obama’s economic policies are the same failed policies of the Democrats that are ruining the US economy and if Obama gets elected the problems will escalate. The problems with the economy are in large part due to high gas prices, high food prices and the collapse of the housing market. All of the aforementioned problems can be directly traced to the failed policies of the Democrats. Obama has stated that he thinks the high price of gas is ok with him. Truth is if the Democrats had not banned drilling for oil in ANWAR and off-shore for years the US would not be as dependent on Middle Eastern oil and the gas prices would be much lower now. The Democrats are lying to us when they say drilling for oil will not make gas prices go down. The US has more oil than all of the Middle East combined and if we start drilling for oil now oil could start flowing in as little as two years from now. The dirty little secret of the Democrats is that, like Obama, the Democrats are very happy with the high price of gas as they want to force all of the poor people, that they claim to care so much about, out of their cars and onto bicycles or public transit. Food prices are high because of the fact Democrats pushed biofuels which took a lot of food acreage out of production causing a shortage of food bringing food costs higher. By the way, one of Obama’s biggest contributers is the biofuel industry. As to the housing market collapse, it is the Democrats who pushed the loan industry into loaning money to high risk borrowers in the name of affirmative action which led to the collapse of the housing market. What is even more troubling is that in a time of war Obama wants to fund his massive government spending programs via decimating the Defense budget and raising taxes. US spending on Defense , including Iraq, is at a relatively low level when compared to other war time budgets such as WWII and Vietnam. The US has not been attacked since 9/11 so a good argument could be made that the funds spent on Defense have been well worth it since another 9/11 attack could cripple our economy. Raising corporate taxes, payroll taxes, and income taxes will kill economic growth that will result in higher unemployment and a lower standard of living for the very people Obama says he wants to help.. If the change you can believe in is higher gas and food prices , more job losses, lower standard of living vote Obama cause as Obama has stated “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK…. That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen.”
Posted by:
notobicycles 7:28 PMMark As Violation
Dan Caplis has documented Obama’s views on race in Obama’s own words as follows:I can’t imagine that America would knowingly elect a man who said that Black Nationalism- “a steady attack on the white race”-is justified if it can deliver results.I can’t imagine that America would knowingly elect a man who said that the “other race” will always be menacing, alien and apart, that emotions between the races could never be pure, that whites speak endless falsehoods against blacks and that he is willing to exempt some whites from his “general category” of distrust.I can’t imagine that America would knowingly elect a man who says that whites who move to the suburbs are trying to dissolve the link between blacks and whites, that whites are phantoms to be expunged from the dreams of blacks, and says of racism “that’s just how white folks will do you.”If John McCain or Hillary Clinton had said those things about African-Americans they would have been (correctly) run out of the Senate, let alone the presidential race.I can’t imagine that the American people would knowingly elect a man who described himself as “ a westerner not entirely at home in the west”, who now says that he was “ a spy behind enemy lines” when he worked for a prominent corporation, and who as an adult sought “inspiration” from the former Prime Minister of the Black Panthers, Stokely Carmichael, and then found himself wandering down the middle of a street in New York talking to himself like a “crazy” man after leaving the gathering.I can’t believe the American people would knowingly elect a President who condemned the American people as “manic and self-absorbed”, and who publicly disparaged and embarrassed the eight “Irish” and “Polish” Catholic priests who helped Obama when he was a community organizer in Chicago.Barack Obama has done and said all of these disturbing things, and much more. Each is fully documented in this report, including the text, page references, and sound. The sound is taken from Obama’s taped version of “Dreams From My Father”. Where Obama chose to leave a part of the book off the recorded version I have substituted an accurate reading of his words.It is my hope that this report will be valuable to voters in a lot of different ways. I think it will help people see that Barack Obama’s choice of Jeremiah Wright as a minister, advisor and virtual “member of the family” was not a fluke. Obama’s own words confirm that he believes that a constant attack on whites is justified if it will produce results. Obama’s own words make it clear that he has held other racial views that most people of all races will find archaic, offensive and divisive.I think this report will help people see that Barack Obama stereotypes the American people based on race, and that those stereotypes are grossly negative. I think it will help people see that his racial prejudice and anger are unfortunately a fundamental part of him, which, in his words are “…aspects of myself which resist conscious choice.” I think this report will also help people see the irony in Barack Obama’s claim that his opponents are playing the “race card”, when his own words show that he is the one with negative racial views.
Karl Huggins, You are wrong. Reagan’s economic policies brought the US out of one of the worse economic disasters in history caused by the failed economic policies of Carter and the Democrats that Obama wants to reinstitute in the name of “change”.
If you know any history, during Carter’s reign in power, inflation was sky high, gas rationing was in for interests rates went through the roof and there was high unemployment. Most of Obama’s economic policies are from Carter’s era which, if implemented, will bring much of the same hardship to all Americans. It took President Reagan’s lowering of taxes and a strong Defense policy to raise the economy out of the recession caused by Carter and to get Iran to release the hostages that Carter’s failed tactics of appeasement (that Obama wants to reinstitute) did not accomplish.
As to Clinton, the US was in a recession when Bush took office. Look it up. Yet,despite 9/11 and Katrina, Bush’s tax cuts and economic policies have resulted in relatively a low unemployment rate, inflation under control and low interests rates. Again, if Obama gets his way and implements the failed economic policies of the Democrats and his hero, Carter, you can expect the same results: high inflation, high interest rates, high unemployment, high gas prices, high food prices, etc. etc. The only people that will benefit from Obama’s (aka Carter’s) economic policies are the self-serving faceless State workers in D.C. that will be sitting on their high horse telling everyone how to run their lives.

Posted by: Fred | Jun 28, 2008 3:05:43 P
Karl Huggins, I also lived through the Carter era and you cannot rewrite economic history. Carter even stated he was for “no growth” and made a speech about how we should all lower our expectations for a better life along with wearing sweaters instead of heating our homes. Carter’s and Obama’s economic polices, (aka socialism) have had a track record of failure from time immorial. Even Europe is starting to realize

Posted by: May | August 6, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

I still like Ralph Nader. Anyone who blames him for Bush’s victory in 2000 should watch An Unreasonable Man. Don’t blame Ralph, blame Katherine Harris and Gore’s campaign manager! Obama? An empthy suit opportunist! He’s made a mad dash to the right ever since he got the nomination, and corporate money probably played a role in that. I would vote for Ralph, but I don’t think we can survive four more years of Bush, and MC-Cane is definetely four more years of Bush! So, If Obama is far ahead in the poles in my home state, I’ll vote for Ralph. But, if it’s close between Obama and MC-Cane, I’ll have to vote for Obama. At the very least he’ll appoint judges who wish to see Roe stay, and is less likely to go to war with Iran. I’m not so sure he’ll get us out of Iraq, or make sure every American has health care though. It seems like it may have to be “lesser of two evils” yet again.

Posted by: Tony | August 6, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

For those who missed the news regarding Al-Maliki’s supposed endorsement of Obama’s plan. Read here http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/19/almaliki.obama/ His office issued a press release disputing the news.

Posted by: u_spam_me | August 6, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Hell hath no fury like a former celebrity now scorned.
As recently as 2000, people cared what Nader thought, only because those who voted for him in Florida tossed the election into George HW Bush’s Supreme Court – and look what that got us.
This time around, no one cares, not just because Nader doesn’t matter anymore, but because everyone sees that his biases and prejudices have been screwy all along.
Good riddance.

Posted by: Dennis Berry | August 6, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

So hey, isn’t this the most simple-minded debate ever.
This article is only, ONLY, reporting someone waving the race flag in the air as though if he lets go it will float away and never be confronted again.
If Obama is elected, he represents America’s first step towards actually trusting the voice of the people to an ideal of change, because allowing black people in office is a change even if it’s been legal.
It is asinine to judge “how white” a person is, especially in a place like America, where no one is really just “white” anymore anyway. Obama illuminates this in his ability to look beyond dumb-ass color squabbles and see the universal significance this will have on America’s progress towards adhering to its own ideals. This race isn’t about the next four year term, it’s about the curve in history that is taking place as we speak, change to a different time and more stringent adherence and aspiration to the ideals that our forefathers have set for us. The fact that we call the first possible female presidential nominee by her first name because she’s a woman, or pay attention to articles where a previous presidential nominee has the gaul to call into question someone’s “blackness”, is the most important spotlight on how much we have turned from the agenda of being American.

Posted by: NoRA | August 6, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

After reading these posts, I am ashamed of our educational system. We should start a continuing education system for adults of little common sense called “No idiot left behind.”

Posted by: Ken from Atlanta | August 6, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Ralph WHO?!?
Why does anybody care what that fool has to say? Stupid reporters only encourage him to stop drooling long enough for a soundbyte. Stop wasting our time reporting on this bitter old Trotskyite.

Posted by: NJ Bill | August 6, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

I guess Nader is jealous of the fact that Obama is about to achieve, within a short period of time, what he has never been able to achieve despite several attempts!
I know jealousy when I see it! Nader, you are simply jealous. Vie for the presidency all you want, but you will never get to the white house.
I believe it is high time the congress enacted a bill limiting the number of time a person can run for the presidency, so that we don’t make mockery of the whole exercise.
Obama is pragmatic, and has the right vision for the country. Our country needs restoration and majority of us believe that he is the right guy that would lead us in restoring our her. Obama is history in the making, and come november he is going to win by a landslide. MARK MY WORD! May God bless America!!

Posted by: themanwhosawtomorrow | August 6, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

man i am so grateful that we as humans do not think the same.man i think god we all have different opinions.i am having a problem trying to find a black american pres that fits nader character.somebody please tell nader that this is not an audition.talk about white man playing the civil rights card gott cha ralph.

Posted by: frank | August 6, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

Jenelle Dew has just posted about the best summary I’ve seen yet on Barack (Blessed of Allah) Hussein (Muslim equivalent of German der Fuhrer) Obama. Everyone should read it.
The problem is when a mass movement puts someone up on a pedestal and bestows power upon them, they being to believe that they really are some sort of Messiah and act accordingly.

Posted by: ragnar30066 | August 6, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

As a lefty democrat I have just never liked Nader–something about him I instinctively don’t trust. I agree with much of what he says but haven’t seen much action from the guy in the past 12 years except repeatedly running for president. Egomaniac or well intentioned political activist? Maybe a bit a each. I for one am so done with Nader.

Posted by: Got Hobbies | August 6, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

Got Hobbies,
That’s your problem, you’re voting based on your (poor) instincts rather than rationally.
By the way, Obama would agree that NO ONE has done more for consumer advocacy than Ralph Nader.
Do your research. He’s done more for the poor in one year than Obama has his whole life.

Posted by: JA | August 6, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

I love how Nader is holding Obama accountable for his blatant fumbles. Nader is an Independent and doesn’t bow down to corporate, PAC, or any business tycoons.
I think I speak for a majority of Americans when I say that I’d LOVE to see Nader debate McCain and Obama. Hopefully Google will include him in their mid-September debate in New Orleans.
Check out http://www.VoteNader.org to keep abreast on what the Nader/Gonzalez camp is up to.
Best,
Nigel

Posted by: Nigel T. Gully | August 6, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Were Nader to debate Obama or McCain, disaster would ensue. He would totally demolish both.
That is why they always refuse to recognize his voice. If ever there was a “maverick” or “new politician”, it’s Nader.
Certainly he doesn’t have the likability factor, and that’s why he’ll never win.
US elections are nothing more than a popularity contest.

Posted by: JA | August 6, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

Got Fear,
Why do you bother yourself replying the so called Jenelle Dew. Mind you that’s not her real name. Jenelle Dew is one of the paid mcsame bloggers who is afraid to post her real name. What do you expect to see on this blog? Nothing but a well planned rumor attack. Their mission it to hide behind the computer and spread fear and rumor against obama and they are getting paid for it.
But don’t allow their campaign of calumny to bother you. It is the stock in trade of the republicans. Come november, it is going to be obama by a landslide. I have said it before and I’m repeating it now, MARK MY WORD! They never come back in vain.

Posted by: themanwhosawtomorrow | August 6, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

Nader is PAID EACH election to run by the REPUBLICANS to take votes away from the Democrats-He is a puppet and a deceiver-None of the things he say he is for are true. He has ALWAYS BEEN IN THE REPUBLICANS back pocket. He knows he cannot win anything and he’s not trying to -HE IS KNOWN AS A SPOILER./SMOKESCREEN– DON’T WASTE YOUR VOTE ON HIM- HE WORKS FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY !!

Posted by: LOWES4321 | August 6, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

Kevin it seems you are the racist and are making your decision for President solely on race. You are also lying when you say blacks punish all whites for slavery. I know from history that the Quakers fought against slavery and were white along with many white abolititionist- But you must understand fighting against slavery was not about black or white it was about wrong and right. And also from the history of American slavery was real and happened right here on this country’s soil and was some of the most horrible treatment of Black persons. If your family helped to liberate slaves then wonderful. But what Blacks want to know is when will racism actually stop in America and Black people be treated like everybody else. When you can answer that question-email me back. Did you know it was illegal(laws on the books) for black people to learn to read or be educated-illegal to sit in the front of a bus-to open a business-illegal to go to a store or restaurant where whites go-to married whoever you want -to buy property(restrictions of where to buy property- and illegal for blacks to vote. And after working in the most horrible conditions(raped/whipped /and disrepected-with no appology and no payment for all the free labor we provided while everyone else got rich. If you really think Obama is the problem your head lives in the sand.

Posted by: lowes4321 | August 6, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

To DemocratNoMore2 who says among other rather fanciful things, that Obama is half “Muslim Arab” – sorry that is neither a race nor is it even true if it was – you are perpetrating an outright lie. His father is an African and his mother is white American. The last time I looked, Africa and Arabia where two different places. You should have a look at a map and study it before you start saying stupid things.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | August 6, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

I think Nader’s comments will help Obama. I mean, Nader is a left wing zealot. It puts Obama into the proper perspective, a sensible pragmatist.
And let me see, at what level has respect for Nader risen from zero lately? Why is he even relevant these days? And as far as the champion of human rights and African Americans and the one to judge if Obama fits the definition of America’s first black President – give me a break. I think that is more a question for the American people, who by the way, I am sure will get it right.
The author of the article quotes Nader on the following: “I lost respect for him,” Nader said of Obama “when I saw him over a year ago on C-SPAN vigorously opposed to the impeachment of Bush and Cheney — vigorously opposed. He said it would be ‘divisive’. That is a cop out word. We have the most multiply impeachable presidency in American history.”
Impeach Bush while he and Cheney and the GOP have the levers of power? Right, that would succeed like the Vietnam war. It might make sense to go after him later for the crimes when they come to light don’t you think? When the power is in someone else’ hands, ideally a Democrats. It would be like the crew taking on the Captain while everyone knows the ship is sinking. And fast.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | August 6, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

I disagree with nader on 90% of all the issues, i think his ideas are stupid, implausible, etc. However, I admire Ralph Nader’s determination and strength to fight the corporate greed of washington.

Posted by: john | August 6, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

And a toast to all the elite right wingers saying Nader has it right. Well, I’ll be, you agree with the most left winger in the history of American civilization? Why? Because his petty comments on Obama and his elitist sense of self importance to speak for the African American community and the civil rights community fits with your own sense of superiority. All those calling for Obama’s loss of the election even before the convention to nominate him, and when he continues to lead in the polls, are being a bit presumptuous don’t you think? I will keep my money on Obama.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | August 6, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm

BabsNJ- OH DEAR GOD! Sen Obama actually has ambition! Horrors! Why don’t you really look into his community work which is documented! What his students had to say about him, which is documented! The positive changes he’s made, which are documented! Are you for real! I read the book by the way, nothing but unsubstantiated rumors and a smear campaign! How much are they paying you to hawk it here? Might want to get some ambition yourself and get a better job!
–Now I know why the Repubs don’t want to fix the public school system. They gotta love these low information uneducated voters! Lord help us!

Posted by: try the truth | August 6, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Why is it every time someone posts the truth about Obama, he is Arab American not African American, the Obama people seem to remove my post? This is America and we have the right to say the truth. This is just another good reason not to vote for Obama, control of the press and our freedom of speech.

Posted by: pumphouseplus | August 6, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

Just when I think Nader is insane, he hits the nail on the head about Obama. Go Ralph!

Posted by: neobaroque | August 6, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Ralph is right, he may get my vote yet.

Posted by: ick! | August 6, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm

Hey Lowes1234,
Why do you say blacks aren’t treated like “everyone else ?” I grew up in Birmingham, and still live in central Alabama. The awful things you mentioned did happen, but the vast majority of “everyone else” realises that way of thinking is wrong. We greet each other as brothers here, and know in our hearts that you can’t judge a person by their appearance, but by their words and deeds. I don’t understand why someone would insist on holding a grudge against “everyone else” for missdeeds committed 50 years ago. That is like picking the scab off a wound rather letting it heal.
If I don’t support Obama for president, it’s because I disagree with his politics, not because I’m a racist.
Why would I lie in an anonimous blog?

Posted by: Loyd | August 6, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

How come this turd keeps coming back.
What does Brett Farve and Ralph Nader have in common. THEY DON’T KNOW HOW TO GIVE IT UP.
What does Brett Farve and Ralph Nader DONT have in common. BRETT FARVE ACTUALLY HAD A SUCCESSFUL CAREER.
I hope this is the last year this ogre rears his ugly head

Posted by: Omentum | August 6, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

Nader is correct on this, Mr. Obama is trying too hard to comfort those who will never be comfortable with a populist, let alone a “Black” populist president.
Rev. Jackson rather crudely made the same observation when he thought he was off mic.
The issues Mr. Nader referred to are not “Black” issues, they are America’s issues.
Also unfortunately, Mr. Nader if he runs, will at best subtract from the size of the mandate Mr. Obama stands to win, at worst, condemn the US to demise under Bush III.
To Loyd,
The racism endemic to modern day America is insidious, insurance rates, access to business capital, “redistricting” to deny the chance of representation in government, police brutality, disparity in due process, and a thousand other aspects that, while not as gruesome as yesteryear’s lynching, harm more people over the medium to long term, and ensure the continuation of a divided America.

Posted by: brianbwb | August 6, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

I see we have folks in here taking pride of their ignorance.
FIRST OF ALL who the heck is NADER anyways. He will go down in history as THE SPOILER. If it wasnt for this dufus, we would not be in the quagmire we are in now because there would have been GWB. A MAN WHO USED POOR JUDGEMENT by playing defense for the GOP in 2000 and NOW he wants to be some authority for what’s good for America.
SECOND, when can anyone tell me when Ralph Nader ever agreed with anyone. His only reason for living is to wake from his hibernation every four years and poo poo on everything the DEM AND GOP party stand for. If he was such a influential figure why not campaign his issues on off election years. This farce just want the quadrennial attention and then goes back and crawls under his rock. GO AWAY … YOU SUCK NADER
LASTLY Nader knows the only way to get attention is to say something controversial so that he can get some free press to roll out his tired agenda. Unfortunately he is proving more putrid that I imagined by bringing race into it.
GO AWAY YOU LOSER.

Posted by: Omentum | August 6, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Is there some icon photo of Nader and MLK shoulder to shoulder, I take it Nader thinks MLK would have been pleased with the last president Nader helped elect. People wouldn’t walk across the street to see Nader speak. He helped us with the past 8 years, and now he wants to help us with 4 more. Nader is a Republican operative pure and simple. Don’t make me Ralph.

Posted by: stormy | August 7, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am

CNN’s National Poll of Polls
Note: White Americans & Afro-Americans, Male Or Female, ages 18-49, Hispanic & Asian Americans, Independents, Independent & Moderate Republicans, Gay Americans, Middle and Poor Classed Americans….
Will Vote for Barack Obama…
Deal with and Live with it..
“My Friends” as Old Geezer John McCain Constantly Says !!
My Friends, My Friends such an Overplayed an Overused Phrase…
My Friends
Barack Obama 48% 43% John McCain
RECENT POLLS: 8/4 | 8/1 | 7/30 | 7/28
CNN’s “poll of polls” consists of four surveys: CNN/Opinion Research Corp. (July 27-29),
AP-IPSOS (July 31-August 4), USA Today/Gallup (July 25-27) and Gallup tracking (August 2-4).
The poll of polls showed 9% unsure; it does not have a sampling error. More polls

Posted by: o. | August 7, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

Nader has always liked to masterbate in public, its all about him. If you don’t think so, just watch the next time he is interviewed on TV. he glances away to see himself in the monitors. I can’t imagine a single African American, when asked, saying, yes, Ralph Nader speaks for me.

Posted by: stormy | August 7, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

If the democrats weren’t thraot cutting liars, they would support Nader, but they quickly cut Hillary’s throat, demanded when she was winning and has won the popular primary vote to STEP DOWN, and forgot instantly and without even flinching that “every vote is supposed to count”.
The democrats are everything BUT democratic, they are tyrannist cutthroats in thw worst traditions of Stalin, Hitler and Moussolini.
I will NEVER go back to the party of my Grandfather – he would be ASHAMED of it today, they total destruction of the little person, the underdog, the third party players, the “2nd teir” candidates, all for the bloody greedy eyed satanic slobbering lust for power.
Mt Grandmother thinks “the democrats have gone insane” – and of course she is correct – it’s difficult for upstanding fine elderly people to actually believe just how filthy the democrats have become.
Lies and attacks, and now this cutting the throats of their own.
I am so sick of it all, I’d vote for someone like Ralph Nader in a midtown minute.
I quite understand the slathering bloodlusting powers of death and destructuion that seethe through the very core of the democrats today TOTALLY PREVENT an honest campaign, an honest primary, or an honest nomination, and an HONEST COUNT OF THE VOTES OF WE THE PEOPLE.
Obama is just another slimy liar, throwing everything under the bus, no morals, no integrity, no honesty.
Can’t say that about Ralph Nader – he has NEVER changed his tune. You don’t have to when you’re honest about what you want to say, and say it.
Sorry Mr. Nader, our forebearers of the for the people party have been utterly and completely BETRAYED, and now the democrats, in these last 7 years have ABSOLUTELY DRIVEN THE POINT HOME, THE STAKE RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF THE INNOCENT – WE THE PEOPLE.

Posted by: Slickico | August 7, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am

I agree with much of what Nader says..especially the part about impeaching Bush and Cheney and/or criminal charges brought against them. I would vote for Nader if I thought he had a chance of winning. Unfortunately, our political system is not only ineffective in representing the people (it represents only the rich)but is easily corrupted by the rich. I will vote for Obama even though I dislike some of the things he has come to stand for. McCain is out of the question. Four more years of Bush’s policies would continue to skaroo most of us and continue to give handouts to the corporate welfare system.

Posted by: Palindromedary | August 7, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am

Run , Nader , Run…
We need all the help we can get to make sure Obama does not stand a chance in this election …He can not be trusted . NO experience , no set agenda , cartering to all sides for vote , empty rhetorics…so he is not qualified to be pres..
so , fill out your election papers ,
Run ,Nader , Run.

Posted by: alohaone | August 7, 2008, 6:11 am 6:11 am

Went to an Obama speech here in Ohio and I have to agree with Nader on this one. Obama tried to play to “white guilt” with his “did I mention he’s black” remark.
Nader is also right about Obama playing to the center to capture more moderates. How this will play in November is anyone’s guess.

Posted by: Independent minded | August 7, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am

Ralph Nader needs to just go away. He has been a marginal public figure for over a decade now and has zero standing with independents that Obama is gathering. Nader is a has-been blow hard.

Posted by: Coleen Kennedy | August 7, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am

Actually the Obama blurring may help. First it wheals people in, showing them he can have their view – the popular view – and they select Obama because when it comes to style he is far more likable.
It’s how Obama beat Clinton and try to beat McCain; pushing similar issues and winning on performance. If the blurring gets to obvious or he needs to make a symbolic stand, Obama can do that later on some silly issue. Against Clinton it was her energy plan, the opportunistic part of it concerning petrol tax. He came across as an alternative and stopped the freefalling he experience until then, after Wright, and won North Carolina. Perhaps his most important primary win, since then it was all about superdelegates. Too bad the “no energy plan”-plan will fail against McCain, but I am sure Obama find something else. Either way, Obama can’t be trusted.

Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | August 7, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Well, at least someone can hear what Obama is really saying and what he is uncapable of instead of all this popularity crap! The real issue is, is Obama really capable, does he have the experience, is he honest? Obama possesses not of these!

Posted by: danito | August 7, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

Mr. Nader has the right to his view.
I am not a democrat or republican.
I am an independent. What I do remember is that Mr. Nader help to get Bush Cheyney elected. I suspect that he would like to force this nation further to the right in order to create a political backlash. I am always suspicious of politicians who tear people down in order to build themselves up. Mr. Mccain is a patriot. But hands down Mr. Obama is a brilliant thinker and most people know that regardless of how they feel about his pigmentation or ideas.

Posted by: Critical Thinker | August 7, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

Brilliant thinker? Ummm, no. Brilliant reader? Maybe.

Posted by: Kitty | August 7, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Ralph Nader is nothing more than a republican plant to pull votes from democrats at election time. He has made his living conning people and pretending to be working for consumers and the needy but with all his wealth he has extreme right winged values.

Posted by: don't con me | August 7, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

“People who have fought the civil rights battle — politically, economically, legally — as we have since the 50′s”
WE? Ralhp Nader fought the civil rights battle? LOL! That tickles me pink. As we have since the 50′s. Give me a greak.

Posted by: PoliticsSmolitics | August 7, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

Ralph Nader is not the Ralph Nader that I’d hoped for, either. So there.
Vote Obama!

Posted by: Patrick J. Kiger | August 7, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

The people who voted for Nadar in 2000 & 2004 got what they deserved, Bush & Chaney, aka Dumb & Dumber.

Posted by: depravedmaniac | August 7, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Ok, but McCain is? Let’s face it, people need to stop complaining that Obama isn’t “black enough” he ISN’t BLACK in the first place so what do you expect? He is both black AND white. Secondly he is running for presidency of the USA. Not presidency of black people. People have to realize he has to appeal to EVERYONE NOT just black people. People complain about him but act like McCain has so much more to offer to black people…HE DOESN’T and could care less about it. So stop complaining and face the facts. And yes this is coming from a black woman.

Posted by: Erika | August 7, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Ralph Nader could have chosen different words, but if you read through them you can understand what he is trying to say and where his frustration stem from. People write Nader off without considering what this two-party system is doing to our country. Nader is an honest liberal with good ideas about how to take care of people first then business. I don’t see why that’s so objectionable. Isn’t it time we tried some new ideas? For those of us who aren’t part of the plutocracy, wouldn’t you like someone who has fought for consumer rights, and will look out for your rights over the special interests? People who write Nader off without an intelligent though are incredibly naive and ignorant – you all deserve to go down in this sinking ship I call the USA.

Posted by: Ben | August 7, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Well, no wonder Obama no longer has a working class whites problem or a Latino problem because obviously these clowns keep stating the simple fact that Obama is not running to represent black America but all America. Keep it up Nader and Jessie, winning strategy for Obama!

Posted by: Yolanda Mattis | August 7, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

It seems that Nader wanted a stereotype more than a real person. It’s sad that Nader’s view of a black president appears to be someone who thinks and talks like he thinks a person should think or act. Obama is like many black people today, not of the civil rights era and it’s time that we as a nation moved on. I find Nader’s comments the height of disrespect and find it equally interesting that he would spend so much time criticizing Obama without offering a substantive critique of McCain. Go away Ralph you are as irrelevant as Jesse.

Posted by: Hope | August 7, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Thank God we still have sane people aka independents in America.
wake up.
obama is no change, mccain is worse change
independents are the only way.

Posted by: LONG LIVE INDEPENDENTS | August 7, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Ralph Nader is a kook who craves attention and has no relevance. Nader accused Obama of “trying to act white”. How insane is that? It is racist and divisive. Ralph Nader needs to join the ranks of Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson – folks whose time has come and gone. Nader is a petty and bitter man. A vote for him is a wasted vote.

Posted by: Liz | August 7, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Nader makes Obama seem much more like the reasonable, centrist image he’s been crafting ever since securing the Dem nomination. After fears of an African-American nationalism in the wake of the Rev. Wright debacles, Nader is a welcome contrast to Mr. Obama. Nader is the real “extremist” we feared Obama might be.
Ultimately this helps Obama.

Posted by: Distant_Notion | August 7, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Calm down Ralph – if Dennis Kucinich has anything to say about impeachment for Bush, his petition on his website will at least get some hearings. Half or more of America hates Bush and would completely support impeachment. Bush is responsible for many crimes against the Constitution.

Posted by: Bob | August 7, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Nancy Pelosi – Failure of the House – is blocking Kucinich. She said that despite the evidence that Bush committed crimes, the house was not going to pursue impeachment.

Posted by: xmarks | August 7, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Yadda, Yadda, Ralph. Same ole grump, same ole message. Nothing but a spotlight-seeking wanna-be…

Posted by: DaveM | August 7, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Obama is a biracial politician running for the US Presidency. That’s it. He does not need to meet the expectations of Nader’s particular agenda.

Posted by: Wiscon | August 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Hopefully, Nader won’t blow another election for progressives. His argument that candidates from either party are the same doesn’t hold water. Without Nader, we would have had Gore instead of Bush as President in 2000. Had that happened, we would be living in a very different world. I don’t understand how any thinking person could view Gore in the same light as Bush.

Posted by: Eric | August 7, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

I agree totally agree with Mental Recession Hopefully “Nader won’t blow another election for progressives. His argument that candidates from either party are the same doesn’t hold water. Without Nader, we would have had Gore instead of Bush as President in 2000. Had that happened, we would be living in a very different world. I don’t understand how any thinking person could view Gore in the same light as Bush.”

Posted by: pablo | August 7, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

Nader will not help anther Republican this time around. Time to say goodnight Ralph Nader.

Posted by: Jeffery | August 7, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Obama may be the 1st Black president, but he will be the president for all Americans, not just Black people. What exactly do you want from him?

Posted by: KLS | August 7, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

WAKE UP PEOPLE!
GET OFF MY LAWN!
I’M NOT IRRELEVANT!
I’m Ralph Nader and John McCain, and I approve this message.

Posted by: Mage | August 7, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

Nader is seeking attention…He knows that there’s no way he can compete. I see a lot of Obama haters here…..Obama got my vote no matter what!..So far he has not expressed anything that people can be mad at but what do people do. Hate on him and we know why…we are a bunch of frustrated people who made a choice on Bush and now we are making it on Mccain and blaming Obama when he is trying to fix this mess.
Nader can talk all he wants but all he will get is btn 4-6%. Sorry fella….be mad and die with it. Just like Nader so is McCain who knows that his time is up. All that is left of McCain is flip flop coz he cannot remember his past sentence when starting the next. Go Obama! Fix America!

Posted by: D.Ojwang | August 8, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am

So there is certain type of black president that people will accept? What type is that exactly? What? – the kind who will simply sit in that chair and let others run the show. President in name only.
Really people, Obama didn’t set out to be the first black president of the United States Of America. He set out to be the President of America because he can.
YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Terri | August 8, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am

NADER is a lunatic and no one really cares what he says. {You may quote me.}

Posted by: JD | August 8, 2008, 5:04 am 5:04 am

correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t nader partially responsible for helping this most impeachable of all presidents in the saddle? are these bitter tears supposed to be some form of atonement?

Posted by: correct | August 8, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am

Hopefully, Nader won’t blow another election for progressives.
————–
How could He? Nader is the only liberal/progressive in the race…(barring the green party).
Read some up on Nixon’s more liberal accomplishments as prez and you’ll see that Nixon’s liberalness puts modern Dem candidates to shame. There is no left in politics these days. The fraction that is is relegated away to make more room for the neocon wing of the Democratic Party known as the DLC.

Posted by: powerob | August 12, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

I DID vote for Ralphie in 00-nerd Gore is too moderate for me…and both me and Nader oppose the War on Drugs. But Ralphie is more and more like Kucinich. A half-black antiwar anti CEO prez like Obama is a wet dream for me (though I supported Hillary in primaries) and I will NOT blow it by voting 3rd party. No more anti-choice Ayatollahs on the Supreme Court!!!

Posted by: Elliott Bettman MD | October 24, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

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