New McCain TV Ad Says Obama Didn’t Pick Hillary as Veep Because She Had His Number
The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., launched a pretty interesting TV ad this morning that attacks Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for not picking Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., as his veep. The ad implies Obama couldn’t handle the fact that Clinton had his number.
Watch it HERE.
ANNOUNCER: She won millions of votes. But isn’t on his ticket. Why? For speaking the truth. On his plans:
HILLARY CLINTON: "You never hear the specifics."
ANNOUNCER: On the Rezko scandal:
HILLARY CLINTON: "We still don’t have a lot of answers about Senator Obama."
ANNOUNCER: On his attacks:
HILLARY CLINTON: "Senator Obama’s campaign has become increasingly negative."
ANNOUNCER: The truth hurt. And Obama didn’t like it.
JOHN MCCAIN: I’m John McCain and I approved this message.
- jpt
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The other side will surely be doing the same thing with Romney’s words if he gets chosen as VP — plenty has been said about McCain they will use just as adeptly.
Posted by: Marty | August 24, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
It’s interesting that Obama would select Biden, someone so critical of him. Add to this Clinton’s many negative comments from the primaries…….seems to me McCain doesn’t need an attack dog as his VP pick, he can just run repeated video footage from Clinton and Biden.
Barack Obama has lost his mojo. His choice for VP was based on what the polls told him to do, like much else these days.
Posted by: JA | August 24, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Romney never said of McCain that he is not ready to be President. And Romney never praised Barack Obama saying he would be proud to run with or against him.
The comparison doesn’t hold.
Posted by: JA | August 24, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Obama didn’t pick Clinton because she was critical of him, yet picked Biden who was his harshest critic.
Do the folks running the McCain campaign even listen to what they say sometimes?
Posted by: Deep Release | August 24, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Can you say childish?
Posted by: jim | August 24, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
JA
Romney would have said it if he was honest.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Romney very clearly spoke his mind about Obama.
He said that Obama has NO personal acccomplishment in either the public or private sector. He very clearly thinks Obama is underqualified.
And he has NEVER suggested that McCain isn’t fit to be president, as Biden has of Obama.
Two very different situations here.
Posted by: JA | August 24, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
The fact of the matter is McCain and the repubs know this ad works three ways…
gets Clinton to lose her senate seat plays clinton supporters who are making decisions on emotion (which is not most of the people who supported clinton I may add …just the emotional ones who can’t let go and put their emotions over the issues and things like women’s rights)
and third it solidifies the republican base because it reminds republicans that the democratic party is the party of Hillary Clinton…
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
JA
I agree that in the Republican party they have been more effective at Ronald reagan’s mantra of “not speaking ill of a fellow republican”
and unfortunately Hillary’s attacks will be used strongly against Obama (the most powerful attacks they have)
but
on the stump Mitt said A LOT of things about McCain.
in that slimey way that Mitt does.
which to me doesn’t carry weight anyway…
This guy left Mass in the state that he left it… after he sold his soul in both directions… never dropping the silver spoon from his mouth…
there must be a picture of Mitt Romney playing squash somewhere at the Boston Racquet Club …kissing a$$ to everyone there.
This guy is sniveling …not a leader on ANYTHING.
It’s going to be Pawlenty if mcCain makes the safe bet (especially after the elitist housing issues that seem to have arisen…need someone who actually has had the experience of sweating a mortgage payment or how to take care of their aging parent…or a student loan application… on the ticket…
(or at least has seen one)
or if he goes exciting he’ll pick Ridge.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Obama could not pick Hillary.
He could not deprogram his followers to Accept her.
He instilled in thier minds, hearts and souls hatred for her, The Same as he has done for Bush, the Government and McCain.
Posted by: seah | August 24, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
McCain’s campaign continues to attack the messenger, not the message … because they’re so aware they don’t HAVE a message.
Senator McCain, we’re becoming acutely aware your “HERO” status doesn’t have any backbone.
Posted by: newz4i | August 24, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
seah
Obama didn’t “program” anyone
as neither did Hillary.
Unfortunately a small group of her supporters are sending her down the tubes.
Which is sad.
Most people want to see Hillary in the Senate or in the Cabinet…and then she would have a chance also to run in 8 years…when the time may be right again for her.
but if obama loses these ads will lose her the senate…
and trust me Obama has nothing to do with these ads…
and if you continue to say it is obama supporters to blame for the fall out from these ads toward Hillary…
you will ocntinue to look more and more foolish.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Obviously the ad is effective. You can tell from the ascerbic responses here.
Posted by: drjohn | August 24, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Obama could not pick Hillary for a number of reasons…
and Hillary knows it…
one of which may be that she didn’t want it.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
I’d run non-stop the ad with Biden praising McCain and stating that the country would be better off with McCain over Obama.
You can’t do better than that.
Posted by: drjohn | August 24, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
How sophomoric is the McCain campaign. Just ridiculous.
Posted by: Mary | August 24, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Obama picked Bedin because of his big drop in the polls. This made the DNC elders more nervous. Obama’s lack of experience was now showing and then, Geogia, put too much frosting of the cake.
Consequently, the DNC and party elders had to pull the “strings of their puppet” and picked Bedin. He may have national security experience BUT Biden sure does shoot down the message of change!
Now what is the reason for supporting a person with zero experience?
Posted by: Phyllis/ PA | August 24, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
drjohn
the ad is effective but I am sure Hillary is actually sweating it more than OBama.
Unfortunately this hurts her more than Obama…
so two outsommes from this ad
smart hillary supporters realize what this REALLY means to the issues and who are the REAL bad guys…and McCain gets hurt
or
Obama gets really hurt by this and Hillary loses her senate seat…because people don’t wake up.
In any case…two people get hurt…no matter what.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
The McCain camp and the press have tried to paint McCain as being a ‘maverick’, who was willing to buck the partyline.
But now they are forced to pair him with a VP who toes the partyline 100%?
You can’t partner with a maverick, it’s against their nature to be partnered or work in a team. The effect of the campaign will be that they have either compromised McCain’s nature and he has lost his major feature, or there will be a lot of internal infighting between McCain and the rest of campaign.
Both will be disasters.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
I love this ad!
Hillary supporter for McCain
Posted by: AlbertMike | August 24, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Obama picked Biden
because he needs the person that can get stuff through a broken congress…and Biden is #1 on that right now…and for the past year.
2 the reports back are that an overwhelming amount of people who know this business better than anyone on here (including Hillary campaign chairs) advised him to pick Biden.
3 it’s common sense for who would make the best team.
4. it’s not about who holds the most hearts for the position in the dem party…
it’s “who will be the most effective and knowledgable person in the role of Vice President with an OBama Presidency”
that is why most people the committee asked said Joe Biden.
Hillary unites the base…but would she make the next 8 years of an OBAMA Presidency the most effective.
common sense tells you whether you think she would be a good President or not… Biden would be able to do the most with that supportive position.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
dl,
You have no idea what you are talking about. Obama was too scared and arrogant to pick Hillary as his VP. Now he will never win. Hillary will have no problem winning her senate seat and the presidency in 20012.
Democrat for McCain
Posted by: AlbertMike | August 24, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
McCain won’t pick someone because he needs their foreign policy knowledge. Or anything else for that matter. Obama needed an adult.
In picking the ultimate insider, Obama admits that his is not a new way for Washington. He is just another sleazy Chicago politician.
McCain needs to pick a pro-lifer and he wins this elecion. This is another reason Obama picked a Catholic- to mkae look as though he cares about something other than himself.
Posted by: drjohn | August 24, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Albermike
you need to wake up
go look at her senate election numbers and even take away 20% of her votes…
if Obama loses… so does Hillary
that is not a threat
if you can come out of your emotional funk and think logically yuo would understand that.
even supporters of her (some of her chiefs) will not be happy if Obama loses.
you have to see …that is just common sense.
think logically not emotionally
(the one light is I think Caroline Kennedy would run if Obama and Hillary loses in NY…otherwise I make a guess she moves it to MA and runs for Teddy’s seat…that part might be a fantasy but the first part I think is pretty solid the tea leaves for that are more like letters tot he press)
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Ok kids, it is easy to criticize what the other guy does, let’s see who he picks.
A start for a good McCain commercial would be Bush quotes like these:
“I think it’s really important for people who advocate reforms to live to the spirit of the reforms they advocate.” [Washington Post, 1/6/00]
“I think somebody who makes campaign finance an issue has got to be consistent, and walk the walk.” [New York Times, 1/6/00]
“It’s important on campaign funding reform that we have campaign funding reform. But it’s also important for people to know that my friend is raising money from people who have business in front of his committee. Nothing illegal about that, but I just want to make sure the facts are laid bare.” [CNN, 2/4/00]
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 24, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
The ad is intended for one purpose and one purpose only. To win McCain votes from Hillary supporters who are still sore about the primary results.
While I don’t think it will be effective on issues-voter Hillary supporters (which is the majority of them), but it good get some of the tantrum-throwing Hillary out to vote McCain when otherwise they may have stayed at home pouting. And in this race (like all races of late) every vote counts.
Posted by: dolphin | August 24, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
JA: “Romney never praised Barack Obama saying he would be proud to run with or against him.”
Romney praised McCain for negotiating with Kerry to be his VP in 2004 …
Earlier, that was seen a sign of strength for McCain and showed his ‘mavericknessy’. In the fall, that same strength will be his liability.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
and AlbertMike
Obama it seems to most logical people was pretty strong to pick Biden over Hillary…
Hillary is solely about an election and a choice and issue that is important based on a relatively small percentage of the dem party.
But he made a strong and smart and noble choice to not think about election numbers…a purely political choice…but one who answers the most important question…
“Who will be the most effective person in the role of the Vice Presidency and in that make the most of the position for the country, issues and people?”
That is the question that should be asked more than any other.
and there is no one who can look at Joe Biden’s record (especially in the last 10 months) and pick someone better…whether you like him personally or not…he gets things done…and he knows the landscape of both the world’s politics better than anyone and how to get things thropugh a partisan congress (go look at his last 6 months alone…it is unbeleivable and been praised by everyone).
so stop
this is about effectiveness of a government…not political
and that shows both brains and smarts to have made the choice in the face of people who are screaming every day on the internet to not make that most effective choice.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Obama has Clintons numbers they would drag him down to much baggage from both of them,Give it up Hilly is by gones.I for one and some happy she is NOT on this ticket,,,,,,
Posted by: indp voter | August 24, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
abnd please don’t take my statement about a “small percentage of the dem party”
as anything but talking about the small percentage that is angry about him not picking Hillary…
18 million people did not want him to pick her as VICE President…
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Do the McCainiacs know that McCain was an Episcopalian until 2007? At the end of 2007, he suddenly called him a Southern Baptist …
I wonder if he knows who his pastor is. Has anybody asked?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
McCain should be HAPPY that BHO failed to choose Hillary Clinton, because McCain could not have defeated such a ticket.
McCain’s campaign has been dismal thus far, and now BHO has just shot himself in the foot.
Biden will do NOTHING for Obama’s chances of being elected; he is a “neutral” choice, in spite of his stupid attacks against Old Man McCain. We can expect more of the same: negative ads for the next two months. From BOTH sides.
Posted by: Rhys | August 24, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The only people that will vote for McCain will be rightwingers and idiots. McCain no longer has a bipartisan or moderate bone in his body.
People that were stupid enough to believe Bush’s promise to be a uniter and not a divider learned a very hard lesson. Those will be the same crowd to get fooled again.
McCain cannot run on his record because his record is voting with Bush 95% of the time. Obama needs to bring a gun to the gunfight and go negative to win.
McCain learned that in his loss to Bush. Evil but effective.
Posted by: Scalliwag | August 24, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Hello again, Willem…
What does it MATTER who McCain’s pastor is, as long as he isn’t spewing hatred?
Religion should be kept OUT of politics!
I am more interested in how the candidates are going to tax me out of my home or continue a win-less war. What a choice!
Their religion is of secondary importance (if any at all).
Posted by: Rhys | August 24, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Rhys
I don’t think Mccain is happy
imagine him trying to figure out who can go up against Biden in the debates…
Not to mention there one issue they had the upperhand on “experience” kind of gets shot in the foot when you see Biden’s going to be standing next to Obama.
Do it yourself… try to pick a VP that can go up against Biden?
you can’t.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Burkett followed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in issuing a series of false attacks against Kerry’s military record: He attempted to link Kerry’s post-Vietnam War service to Jane Fonda; claimed Kerry “was never for peace” and that Kerry “call[ed] Vietnam veterans murderers and rapists”; and flip-flopped on whether Kerry’s 1971 Senate testimony was “radical.”
Yea sure another guy who provided fodder to dicredit any vet who served and did not support the Republican agenda.
Posted by: Thinking | August 24, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Dear Senator McCain,
Thank you, thank you sir for running ads trying to drive a wedge between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama.
I do not know why, but my intuition tells me that the only thing that will piss Bill Clinton and the rest of the Democratic Party off more than getting beaten in the primary, is when someone cynically tries to capitalize on their pain.
Posted by: Mike Malter | August 24, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Dear Senator McCain,
Thank you, thank you sir for running ads trying to drive a wedge between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama.
I do not know why, but my intuition tells me that the only thing that will anger Bill Clinton and the rest of the Democratic Party off more than getting beaten in the primary, is when someone cynically tries to capitalize on their pain.
Posted by: Mike Malter | August 24, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
How does it feel die hard Clinton protesters. The ones either threatening to jump to McCain or that are going to protest at the convention. McCain is using you with their negitive ads. You are just being used and nothing more by the party you threaten to jump to because your Dem party canidate didnt win the nomination. They are playing with your emeotions because they know thats all you care about. That you do not care about what is best for the country but only that your feelings was hurt because Hillary didnt get selected or win the nomination. Thats the way the republicans run a campaine. Fear, negitivity, emotions. That’s how Bush sold a war to the American people. Stay where your heart is and with your Dem beliefs. Listen to Clinton and what she wants. Dont be used by the McCain/Bush party.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
This is one of Mac’s best ads.
Obama was so intimidated by Hillary. He is threatened by anyone that is stronger and more popular than him.
And in debates she made him look foolish–not hard to do.
Obama lost me a long time ago with his lame excuses about Rev Wright and his extreme arrogance.
Ever notice how he sticks his nose in the air with a smug look if anyone dares question him?
Biden beside Obama makes him look like a kid pretending to be president.
Kind of like Bush/Cheney.
Hillary/McCain
Posted by: cindy in nc | August 24, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
tHANK YOU, senator McCain for speaking the truth. Our family is one her 18 million voters will not vote for Obama.
Posted by: sn | August 24, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Anybody remember what Romney said in the debates?
He said the McCain twice voted against President Bush’s tax cuts
“Those views are outside the view of mainstream Republican thought,” Mitt said.
In a counterpunch, he said Romney left Massachusetts with high taxes and a large debt. “His job creation was the third worst in the country,” McCain said, a claim Romney rejected.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 24, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Obama did Hillary and Mac a tremendous favor by not choosing her.
He would have won with Hillary.
Now unfortunately a good man (Biden) will sink with Obama.
By not even going through the motions of vetting Hillary it just shows what a spiteful jerk Obama is.
Something most people already know except for those who worship him.
Posted by: riley | August 24, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
if hillary won she was not obligated to pick obama as her running mate this is a stunt by the repub party to try to tear the democratic party apart i’m not buying it. obama has been more than gracious to mrs.clinton and her supporters and if they don ‘t want to vote for him because he’s black that is shame because this country will lose a whole lot voting for mccain who wil strip women of all their rights, and start world war and start the draft. america wake up it not time to backwards but to go forwards
Posted by: dmb | August 24, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
cindy…
We are in the minority here. I was a Hillary Clinton supporter/contributor, and I now plan to vote against Obama. I guess this means putting my “X” in McCain’s spot on the ballot, but I hate to think I’m voting FOR McCain. I am simply voting AGAINST Obama, whom I regard as the most dangerous Presidential candidate in my 70 years as an American.
Posted by: Rhys | August 24, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
BTW:
When was the last time McCain or one of his potential running mates has been to Georgia (not the one with Atlanta in it).
I believe Biden was just there showing that the Democrats are young and nimble enough to address all of the world’s trouble spots–not just chase after lies in Iraq and lose the battle against those who attacked us.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 24, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
dmb…
If Hillary Clinton had been nominated (instead of being torpedoed by the DNC), she almost certainly WOULD have taken Obama as V.P., because Hillary is smart enough to know the combination would have been unbeatable. It wouldn’t have mattered if she “liked” Obama; the combination would have WON in November.
I still don’t understand why McCain is complaining about Obama’s choice, because if BHO had chosen Hillary, McCain could have withdrawn today, saved his money, and gone home to Arizona.
Maybe HE should choose Hillary as HIS running mate! Strangely enough, they would probably win in a landslide.
Posted by: Rhys | August 24, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Obama had to have three chances before he finally got a position on Georgia that mirrors McCain’s position.
And Biden was dead wrong about Iraq. In fact, the Iraqis despise Biden.
Posted by: drjohn | August 24, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
I’m a Clinton supporter that intends to vote for McCain because I want the do-nothing democrats to have to work for Clinton’s 2012 presidency. I don’t want Obama, Reid, Pelosi, etc to get the easy button. They have sat on their hands these 2 years and McCain is what we need to get them off their lazy a$$e$.
Posted by: logicalthought | August 24, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
The GOP will stoop to any lengths to “divide and conquer” for their own personal gain (that means “big oil” and wealthy people). GOP wants to fool and leave the American people with the false Perception and impression that Barack has no experience and is an empty suit. They believe that if you say it long enough the Stupid American Public will begin to believe it! Let’s be clear, Obama Has experience, it ‘s just not Washington experience and he also has Vision and inspiration, enough to enoble men to have hope again. He offers real change and forward thinking progressive ideas and solutions to Really solve the current problems facing us today. One of Barack’s strongest assets is that he is unmired by the trappings of wealth and power — that means big oil, as we have to find an alternative solution to oil, if the United States is to continue to be prosperous and to thrive. All of these attributes are which makes Barack a truly great leader of men, needed for these times!
And to damp down this false perception that he has no experience, Barack pragmatically chose for Vice President, Joe Biden, a man who is wise in foreign affairs, unlike John McCain, “who, despite the hype, doesn’t seem to know as much about foreign affairs as they want us to believe! And, is also confused as to how many homes he owns and what kind of car he drives!
McCain recently talked at length about problems on the “Iraq/Pakistan border” – the countries are a thousand miles apart. Asked how to deal with Darfur, he mused about “bringing pressure on the government of Somalia”. Uh – it’s Sudan, Senator McCain. And he keeps expressing his desire to build up US relations with Czechoslovakia, a country that hasn’t existed for 15 years. ”
Those of us who care deeply about the Truth need to debunk this notion that John McCain is so knowledegeable about foreign affairs, because it is another lie they want us to swallow.
Just because McCain spent five years (5) as a POW prisoner, does not make him an expert on foreign affairs, what it does make him an expert on is on how to survive as a prisoner. Let us not be fooled again, because saying its so, does not make it so. And, saying Barack Obama does not have experience over and over again, does not make it so.
Posted by: Angellight | August 24, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Honestly, even though I’m female, I’d take McCain over Hillary any day. If she had ran her campaign in a civilized manner (or locked her husband up in a box somewhere in the far Pacific), I may have voted for her. But she decided to make those racist/sexist allegations, and that sunk her in my eyes.
I will say that this ad is quite clever, and far more effective than that stupid “celebrity” one he was running the other week.
It combines criticism of Obama’s “inexperience”, yet also gets the “Pumas” all riled up just in time for the convention.
May I also state for the record that I find the term “PUMA” to be enraging and insulting to all women ala “cougar”, and why Hillary supporters chose this term to identify themselves is beyond me.
Not that McCain would ever select her as his running mate, but I’d be pretty amused if he did. This whole election has turned into some marketing punchline. Might as well turn it into a 3 ring circus and have Stephen Colbert serve as Ringmaster.
Posted by: Heh | August 24, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
BTW. When McCain is so worried about Hillary not being Obama’s Running Mate,
Why doesn’t HE aks Hillary? What’s keeping him?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
And yet… the McCain campaign is simultaneously running an ad showing Biden’s criticism of Obama during the campaign (ie. not ready to be President…)
I guess Obama had no problem choosing an opponent who had criticised him.
Mixed messages much?
Anyone else see the McCain campaign flailing?
Posted by: Lisa | August 24, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
“I’m a Clinton supporter that intends to vote for McCain because I want the do-nothing democrats to have to work for Clinton’s 2012 presidency. I don’t want Obama, Reid, Pelosi, etc to get the easy button. They have sat on their hands these 2 years and McCain is what we need to get them off their lazy a$$e$.”——–Damn right! That’ll show ‘em for not picking MY choice. “I’d rather lose the election to the other party than support MY party because they chose someone other than who I wanted”. Can this mind-set be any more childish and petulant?
Posted by: SearamblerOne | August 24, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
The simple fact that Mcbush and the rest of the repubs wanted Hillary for Obama’s VP, proves the point that Barack made the right decision.
Posted by: AutoCadSkills | August 24, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
The dems have plenty to go after if McGoo picks Romney. This should be fun.
Posted by: oo | August 24, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
mccain isnt going for one term so all you clinton people that think youll vote for mccain and then vote for hillary in 2012 are just fools.
also this ad was the stupidest ad ever, mccain should pick her if hes so upset by the way she was treated
nevermind that her campaign went negative first and FAST
also hillary herself claimed she was the most vetted politician ever so i dont see why obama would even need to do any vetting
i hope you hillary people voting for mccain get exactly what you bargained for a mccain presidency that sends your women rights back to the stone age…
congrats on being 3 year olds
Posted by: bhrandon | August 24, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Not another Kennedy….what kind of experience does she have? Maybe, only the Kennedy name. As for Hillary, do you
think that Washington is sick of them? Does anyone remember how they trashed the White House and took things that maybe were not theirs? I am not an Obama fan, but I think Hillary would be worse. You think things are bad now…just wait until a DEM is elected. WalMart won’t be able to keep up with the rising prices.
Posted by: MEW | August 24, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Obama’s first interview since before his Hawaii vacation is with People Magazine. Says it all!
No one in the mainstream media will simply do one single piece on actual legislation Obama proposed and/or had passed while in the Illinois legislature or in the U.S. Senate. Maybe there simply isn’t any? But, how would we know?
Posted by: Thank God for Karma | August 24, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
All of you “fake” HRC supporters PLEASE vote for McCain. PLEASE!!! Stop with your childish posts upset because she lost and didn’t get picked. She ran a horrible campaign. Period. And you want Obama to reward her with the VP spot? She brought up Rezko as if her closet is clean. What about all of her and her husbands scandals? When a democrat says “I will vote for the republican because I don’t like the guy who beat my guy” is the most stupid, asinine and dumbest statement I have ever heard and you didn’t really hear anything similar to this in the past which suggests that it is indeed racial. All you HRC supporters who’ll vote for McCain, stop talking about it and BE about it! When November rolls around, do what you’ve been threatening to do since she lost and when it’s over, and Obama and Biden have won, sit at home and realized you’ve just wasted your vote
Posted by: Albert McIver | August 24, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
I’ve been reading for more than a year a lot of the pro-Obama comments on this site. As a fervent and long-time supporter of Senator Clinton (she’s my senator), it is amazing to me that the same coalition that always gets us Dems into trouble–college kids, well-educated, etc.–in the primaries and gave us that most ridiculous of roll calls (McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale and Kerry) now believe that a guy who became a Senator only because his opponents dropped out in scandal half a term ago and a guy who has never shown any leadership on any issue except one that fed his own ambitions has now relegated the most important Democratic political family to a side show.
I do not want John McCain to be President–I’m not that stupid–but the arrogance of Obama coupled with the thinly-veiled disdain he has for Senator Clinton is nothing short of outrageous. Does anyone doubt that Hillary Clinton would make the best president? I mean, seriously. Seriously. I’ve asked more than two dozen fervent Obamaniacs why they love their candidate, and save for two smart ones, they couldn’t come up with a single policy issue except for the mantra of “change.” Fair enough. It is hard to run against a movement, but I will not be called a cry baby or much worse simply because I, and others, point out Obama’s “victory” was razor thin and his Chicago-style politics (ask Florida and Michigan voters how they feel about the man from Hawaii) revealed a cut-throat, me-first politician that his supporters either choose not to see or care about.
Being ambitious or even cutthroat are not surprising or necessarily negative (certainly the Clintons are no wall flowers) but then don’t pretend to be a “different kind of politician.” He’s not. I hope Barack Obama is our next President. But Barack Obama is, alas, self-absorbed, entitled and a mean mother when he feels slighted. I just wish he had come along after he knew where the Senate cafeteria was. So, yes, I’ll hold my breath and vote for this undeserving man because what are our choices, really? McCain? No way. The Supreme Court picks are just too important. But, and I’ll say this slowly, don’t call me a whiner simply because we all lost a chance electing the single best person to hold the most important and difficult job in our country. Reluctantly: Obama ’08.
Posted by: rpf | August 24, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
I think it’s funny how this group Puma, who may or may not exist is called divisive and yet Obama sent his text at 3am to take a jab at HC. It was childish and petty and shows Party Unity isn’t important to him. McCain is using Obama stupidity against him. McCain could really do more damage with the party unity angle if he wanted to. Many Dems feel like the party is upside down and is in desperate need of real leadership.
Posted by: ExDem | August 24, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
McCain is baffled. He is going to start shooting in all directions but due to his physical and mental constraints he will just end up shooting himself in the foot over and over again. The selection of Biden takes the air out of the balloon that seemed like it was closing in on Obama’s lead. Obama’s lead will increase significantly after the Dem convention and if McCain selects a pro-choice running mate, the conservatives will no longer be on board and the Republican convention will fizzle out and practically end McCain’s bid and he will go through the motions of running a boring presidential campaign.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | August 24, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Latest poll data from ABC:
Little has changed in basic standings from last month’s ABC/Post poll, with single digits dividing the two: Obama is now favored by 49 percent of registered voters to McCain’s 43 percent, and among likely voters it’s a similar 49-45 percent contest.
You know what this means? It means Obama wins.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 24, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
rfp – what’s wrong with being well-educated? I for one am tired of letting this country being dragged down the tubes by the opinions of uneducated boobs who voted for Bush – a recovering alcoholic – would be a “good guy to have a beer with”.
Posted by: kelly jackson | August 24, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Senator McCain’s ad answers his own question. Why isn’t Hillary on the ticket? Because she attacked Obama incessantly during the primaries and used divisinve tactics that later made it impossible for Obama to run or work with her. If Obama HAD tapped her, the McCain camp would have run the exact same ad, only asking, “Why is Hillary running with Obama?” and rolling the quotes. THEN there would have been a long series of them because she gave a LOT of cannon fodder in the debates. Biden too took his swipes, but he stayed WELL behind the line that Sen Clinton continually JUMPED across. Her rhetoric was so fear based and divisive that many of her DEMOCRATIC supporters STILL threaten to vote GOP in the aftermath of 8 disaterous years! She can’t unring the alarm bell that she rang out of desperation to save her failed bid. Why would Obama want to re-ring it every time his running-mate gets air time? I like HIllary. I’m an Obama supporter, but OF COURSE I WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED HILLARY IF SHE HAD WON. Sadly, there are a FEW (but NOISY) nut job Hillary folks who simply cannot asuage their hurt feelings any way short of hating Obama for Clintons failure and punishing him with a spite-vote for McGOP. “My Hillary can’t be president! Let the country BURN!” Nice folks. Excellent exercise in civic responsibility.
Posted by: meisnerman | August 24, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Hillary will team with Michael Bloomberg for the “dream” ticket. I can hardly wait. The rest of this stuff is nonsensical.
Posted by: benvictor | August 24, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
“….I’m a Clinton supporter that intends to vote for McCain because… ”
…”Can this mind-set be any more childish and petulant?”…..
AutoCad YOU CAN CALL US(Hillary Supporters) CHILDISH OR ANYTHING YOU LIKE BUT WE WILL STILL VOTE FOR MCAIN.
Posted by: neal | August 24, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Recent poll (yesterday, I believe) shows 1/2 of Hillary’s voters (A BIG 9M) are really mad at Obama Bin Biden ticket and they will either stay home or switch party either to Ralph Nader or John McCain. These voters said they were mad both at Obama’s choice not to include Hillary in the ticket AND Obama’s choice of the time (3 AM) of the text massage release – a BIG slap on Hillary’s face and her fans.
Posted by: ablanche08 | August 24, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Mr. Coffee:
The 49-45% National Poll means nothing.
As we select a president by electoral votes, and not by the national, popular vote (as we all learned in the 2000 election), the polls that matter most are the individual state polls, which now show McCain with leads in former toss-up states like Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, and Missouri.
Obama needs to add at least two or three of those states to his “safe” Democratic states to win the overall electoral vote.
If he doesn’t, it’s game over.
Posted by: Lee | August 24, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Lets start with the comment that we borrow 700 billion to finance the tax cuts and the Iraq war… That is typical liberal BOVINE EXCREMENT!! had we been drilling for our resources when Clinton vetoed the energy bill we would be enjoying 700 billion or more in revenues generated by our efforts, and would not be hostage to the oil cartels, or to china
Posted by: ray sternberg | August 24, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
The fact that McCain has even made this ad should send up a red flag for all of the disgruntled Hillary supporters. Do you really think he cares about you or Hillary? Of course not, this is about manipulation. He doesn’t give a damn about how Hillary was treated one way or the other. He’s just trolling for votes from a group of people that he will not listen to because his policies are the polar opposite of Hillary’s!! Wake up and don’t fall for it!!!
Posted by: Tracy | August 24, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
guys, its august. polls mean NOTHING.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
drjohn
It was McCain and his idiot lobbyist that encouraged Georga to do what they did in the first place. Didn’t you see him on TV telling McCain that his words were nice, but what they needed was actual deeds. Translation, military assistance which we don’t have thanks to McBush and this stupid war in Iraq!
Posted by: roxanne | August 24, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Biden said over and over again that BO was a nice man but not ready to be President and HE’S RIGHT!!! Biden isn’t going to help him win over 25% don’t know who he is and over 20% don’t like him!!! New polls! Only Hillary could have helped him win and he disrespected her and her supporters and deserves to loose and he will! Reagan democrates, a large % of women, seniors and the working class don’t like what they see and hear about Obama. So have a good time next week because the party is over in NOV.
Posted by: lovingpolitics | August 24, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
rpf,
I’ll just use your argument and state that I’ve talked to over 999,991 Obama supporters who were well educated and very informed about there candidate. However all the Clinton supports just didn’t have a good grasp on her positions and could come up with a good logical reason why they supported her.
Prove me wrong.
Thanks,
Posted by: Claling rpf's bluff | August 24, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
ray…
thank you for the comment about drilling. but you know, the left wont look at it like its THEIR fault man!!! they dont want to talk about the reasons our country is in danger, they just wanna blame it all on the last 8 yearrs, as if they have had no say or action in the last 8 years. its disgusting.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Why do people keep calling Dems Liberals? They are not, please educate yourself. McCain has ALWAYS been an attractive candidate to Dems even though he’s a Repub. It’s interesting that during the primaries, Obama supporters kept saying Hillary and McCain were the same. Now it’s Obama and Hillary who have the identical positions. Can you people make up your minds.
Posted by: ExDem | August 24, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Here’s something you all probably didn’t know about these stupid polls:
They are taken from people who voted in the last election. Now, Senator Obama’s campaign has registered 2 million new voters. Get it? These people are not being polled because they didn’t vote in the last election. Now, who do you think these people are going to vote for? Take that PUMA!
Posted by: roxanne | August 24, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
As a non democrat Clinton supporter, I would never cast another vote for Obama. It is not so much that I agree with all of McCains policies, as I don’t like/trust Obama. I have no party that I HAVE to be loyal to, just my own ideals. I would vote a third party, but consider that a vote for Obama too, so my vote will go to McCain. You Obamabots can call me names and whine and cry, but that only more cements my vote for McCain.
Posted by: samhiguchi | August 24, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
MCCain 08 – Hillary 2012.
Posted by: RealDemocrat | August 24, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
again, guys.. its august… ignore the polls.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
neal…
In case you haven’t noticed…
Unfortunately, in most of these forums if you disagree with someone you are an idiot (or worse).
Some of us know there’s a difference between a debate and an exchange of insults.
But I’ve always believed that when a person resorts to name-calling, it simply means he has run out of credible arguments.
Posted by: Rhys | August 24, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
tim…
I think you’re right; polls don’t mean much anyway, especially this early.
We still have almost two-and-a-half months of listening to ads telling us how bad the other guy is!
A lot can change in 71 days!
Posted by: Rhys | August 24, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
“”….I’m a Clinton supporter that intends to vote for McCain because… ”
…”Can this mind-set be any more childish and petulant?”…..
AutoCad YOU CAN CALL US(Hillary Supporters) CHILDISH OR ANYTHING YOU LIKE BUT WE WILL STILL VOTE FOR MCAIN”
Umm, Neal, I was the one to post this, not Autocad. I was paraphrasing someone else’s post. As an HC supporter, let me ask you this: who do you think SHE will be voting for in November? Do you think she will betray her party, her beliefs and her principles because she did not win the nomination? She won’t. You shouldn’t either. Mccain and the GOP are diametrically opposed to Obama, Clinton and the rest of the DNC (as well as most of people I know). They will do and say ANYTHING to win in November. ANYTHING!! Mccain is wrong for America on so many levels. The ‘old’ Mccain from 2000 is gone, replaced by yet another GOP/Big Business tool…..
Posted by: SearamblerOne | August 24, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
samhiguchi…
you and me both. and there are ALOT of us out there. at this point, feel the people that are affiliated with one party or the other is just brainwashed. i mean, they are ALL liars. i just cant stand the thought of obama getting in there more than mccain. its a sad state of affairs.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Obama probably didn’t pick Hilliary for the same reason W didn’t pick McCain as his VP. McCain lost out to W…..now you Republicans think he is the greatest….no wonder the country is so screwed up
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Rhys. Worried that it will become known that McCain was an Episcopalian for 70 years of his life and only recently started visiting a Southern Baptis church? Afraid the Base will not like that? Since it well known, especially to ‘the Base’, what it means to be a lefty Episcopalian? With their support for civil, social, and especially Gay and Lesbian issues.
For the Base, the upbringing of Obama and the kind of Church he visited was clearly an issue. The Base has a right to know McCain’s upbringing and the Church he visited for 70 years, don’t you think?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
rhys…
exactly. but you know the strange part? and this is what saddens me the most about modern day america: at this point, how do you NOT know who you’re voting for?? i mean, i didnt need to wait to see who either one picked as a running mate, i knew the second the canidates themselves were chosen. i mean, i guess they could be more different (if mccain was more of a conservative) but damn. anyone that has a clue about whats going on in the world should have their mind up on “what party” to elect into the white house. am i wrong on this??
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
To think McCain wants anything to do with Hillary’s voters other than to fool them into giving him their vote is stupid. His platform is the opposite of the platform that Hillary Clinton was running. McCain’s platform is the opposite of Barack Obama’s platform. Any Hillary Clinton supporter who votes for McCain is voting to have women’s rights taken back half a century. They’re voting to continue wasteful spending overseas instead of helping regular American citizens to pull themselves up and out of this recession. Clinton supporters who vote for McCain are going to be the next “Nader 2000 voters” who handed the presidency to the biggest disaster this country has ever seen. I hope those Clinton supporters who vote for McCain can live with themselves knowing that they could be the ones responsible for further sending our nation into a sinkhole by voting for 4 more years of disastrous policies.
Posted by: Karl | August 24, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Well I guess the 25 percent of Clinton supporters that will now vote for McCain
must like it the way it is. Even McCain says he supports 95 percent of Bush policies. So you, like the republicans must be in a better spot than you were 8 years ago. One post says they are voting for McCain not because they want his but because they are voting against Obama. Actually you are voting against your country. Is this what is going to happen every time a woman runs for pres. and doesn’t win the nomination? Call me a sexist and I don’t care. Its mostly die hard supporters that are splitting the party and 99 percent of them are just women upset that a woman wasn’t selected. They don’t care about the bigger picture and just about themselves. Hillary would be upset at you as you jumpers are doing exactly what she doesn’t want. Do you care. No. So join the republicans that like our current state. Again McCain supports 95 percent of Bush policies. Is that what you really want?
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
realist…
i really dont think you’ll find alot of TRUE mccain supporters.. lol just the lesser of two evils man…
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Well said CW
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Hey Ray, the possibility that we MAY be better off today HAD we done something in the past doesn’t negate the FACT that we ARE in hock up to our eyeballs because we HAVE borrowed billions and billions of dollars from China to finance the Iraq fiasco, thanks to GW and Co. Who is going to pay back this debt? Your kids and their kids, that’s who…..
Posted by: SearamblerOne | August 24, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
searambler…
you’re right. we HAVE borrowed alot from china. but the war in iraq is just a small part of it. look at the facts. there is a WHOLE lot of other things we have been borrwing in the last two decades than just for “war money”. dont try to make it seem like its just “bushs war”. be fair.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Note: And I dont care about my misspelled words and what anyone says about it. I dont even care about the few nut case, so called Hillary supporters that dont even support her and her wishes. 18plus mil voted for Hillary. 18 plus mil voted for Obama. 25 percent of her supporters are voting for McCain or not voting. 13 percent of republicans are voting for Obama.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Your right Tim….that is why I am voting for Obama…..can’t take any more Bush economics and it will only get worse with McCain
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Ever notice that McCain ads are always based on distorting OTHER peoples words, straight out of the Rove play book. The neo-cons are using the usual “smear and fear” again.
Posted by: JR | August 24, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Hey, Puma’s. Start demanding that McCain selects Hillary as his running mate.
This ad is proof that McCain hears you and has your best interests at heart.
Go for it.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
I love these adds from mccain. he doesnt realize the power he is speaking on Obama. the bible says the power of life and death is in our tongue. o’yea! Obama is the one.
Posted by: dr j | August 24, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Cindy if you believe Obama is dangerous just remember how safe and secure the country was when you and John McCain were you. Bush and McCain openly argue for war, Obama is arguing for security and peace. McCain is scary. Our military has and is suffering because of his decisions to follow Bush into Iraq and then pick a political issue like the surge to make himself look like the Maverick. That Top Gun attitude is dangerous. Why would he care what kind of world we’re left to live in? He’s lived his life and so have you. For us left to care for those returning wounded and scared by the war and having to recover from the money that has been wasted on this war and the jobs, lives and opportunities lost as result of it, four more years of the same is what’s really dangerous.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
realist…
tell me why “bush economics” is soley to blame for our debt?! if you’re going to throw out allegations that our current president is to blame for everything, you have to present facts. its just too easy for people to say “its all bush’s fault”. its not. this has been culminating for years and years. you do realize as a country, we have spent more money than we have taken in for the last 32 out of 35 years right?! while bush had made some mistakes, you simply cant say one party or the other is to blame. its a LOT broader problem than that.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
A lot of good comments, both pro and con here. I have to say that John Adams (yesm the historical figure) was spot-on when he suggested that he feared the deviseness of a nation that is split into parties. (See the series, “John Adams”…).
Maybe if we didn’t focus on the natural divisiveness of parties, we’d be able to have good candidates run for the right reasons and something close to reasonable and fair presentations.
The fact that McCain comes out with his nonsensical blather any time he can mangle words of his opponent, and the fact that Obama passed up the only reasonable ticket there was in favor of salving his ego just goes to show you that dueling parties just don’t work anymore, if they ever did.
This country needs to get on with things and make changes that reflect our real values, not some outmoded idea of party affiliation. I hate the fact that Nader has to run on a ticket that isn’t mainstream. Why is that? Why can’t he jusr run? Why can’t they all just run? Why does there have to be a party? In the old days yuu had Federalists and Republicans. It didn’t work then, either.
Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m not the only one who feels this way.
I’m supporting Obama. I have been for him from the start but the onoy reason I’m supporting him now is simply that McCain represents the suicide of America and a vote for Nader serves no purpose other than to take a vote away from Obama.
Posted by: Lefty | August 24, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
champ…
its called evolution. bad things have happened, and we are moving on. also, let me remind you, there are different types of “dangerous” people.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
So McCain admits that Hillary is speaking the truth. Let’s hear what she has to say on McCain, on Bush, on the GOP, on the economy, etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
lefty…
you sort of make sense… lol
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Ditto Karl and CW! McCain doesn’t care about women’s rights. He’s NO CHOICE without any consideration for rape, incest or the health of the mother. (He used to be but now he won’t touch the topic.)Do we really want to see a 13 year old that was raped by her father be forced to have his child? REALLY?? God forbid but what if it was YOUR kid? Can you get more misogynistic than that? McCain cares about getting elected and that’s it.
Posted by: Tracy | August 24, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
“They are voting for McCain not because they want him but because they are voting against Obama. Actually you are voting against your country.”
Uh, no. We’re voting for the most qualified candidate. It’s just a coincidence that Obama is a crooked no-experience politician with a proven record of straddling the fence and a questionable background, a race card shark with no solid viewpoints that last more than a few days, one who takes credit for things he “wills” to happen since he’s the Messiah. But I can understand how you would get caught up in his controlled media frenzy.
Posted by: Emm | August 24, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
rpf —- THANK YOU! At last a sincere Hillary supporter who frankly acknowledges the obvious truth that a McCain presidency should be UNACCEPTABLE to any progressive – despite personal misgivings toward Obama. No, I would not call that whining in any way. That is practical, responsible dialogue. Now I support Obama, and yes I honestly do prefer him to Hillary as a candidate and a President. My reasons are too many to discuss adequately here, but if you want a taste, I was first swayed by their differing positions on the Iraq war resolution, and I am unmoved by the entire “experience” non-argument. (experience and effective leadership have NEVER been shown to correlate. Sometimes the reverse is true.) Though I disagree with your analysis of the primary outcome I RESPECT it, because you freely express your disappointment and your reasons without letting feeling cloud your ultimate judgement. BRAVO! (Some claiming to support Hillary HAVE been whiners and worse. Just read some of these other posts. Can you honestly disagree?) Let me clearly acknowledge here that MOST Hillary voters are NOT petulant or childish, and have a right to be disappointed. Any criticisms of the bad apples should be careful to single them out. I hope the next 4 years will give All Dems plenty of chances to be proud of (and won over by?) our President.
Posted by: meisnerma | August 24, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
How does anyone like the fact that while we are dumping billions into Iraq, they are building a huge surplus while we are going broke. Iraq just signed a 1.5 billion deal with China for Iraqs Oil. Isnt Bush great!!! I love calling customer support and getting someone in India and the fact that our jobs are going over seas and business’s are closing their doors. Isnt Bush great!!! I love the fact that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and the middle clas is becomming poor. Isnt Bush great!!! I love having a president that only care about his own agenda. Lies to the American people, plays God and only tell the people half truths when he feels we need to know something. Isnt Bush great!!!
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Tim, you make some good points. But consider: when Bush took office there was a huge budget surplus. When he leaves there will be a record-breaking budget deficit. The war that he and his cronies pressed for, on bad intel, with no planning for ‘the next day’, has run up a tab about equal to the deficit. The GOP controlled the White House AND the Congress from 2000-2006. They may not be totally to blame, but they deserve the lion’s share of it…..
Posted by: SearamblerOne | August 24, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
tracy…
first off, its politics. they both are going to avoid certain things. but coming from a guy who is torn on the abortion thing, take into consideration that some people think, no matter the situation, its just wrong to willingly murder another human being. im not sure i feel about it either, and i doubt i ever will, but you have to see both sides of it. a very tough call.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
It’s amazing to me that Rush Limbaugh has so much influence over his flock. I can’t understand why he doesn’t run for President. Almost everything McCain does in his campaign comes from the Limbaugh school of Neo-Conism. This is a cult like none other that earth has ever seen.
Posted by: Limbaugh is scary | August 24, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
McCain has an add that talks about Obamas adds getting Negative WOW talk about do as I say NOT as I DO !!!!!! He is sounding like my grandfather except my grandfather is YOUNGER !!!!!!! Oh and the drill here drill now, yeah you can say that when you won’t be alive to see a drop of oil from the gulf and the damage done buy getting it !!!! why would you care then ?
Posted by: Dennis Fort Myers Fl | August 24, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Tim….you need to read what I wrote….never blamed everything on him but I do know we had a balance budget when he took office as well as a booming economy. Personally I am worse off financially than I was 8 years ago and if you aren’t you are lucky.
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
dl,
You have no idea what you are talking about. Obama was too scared and arrogant to pick Hillary as his VP. Now he will never win. Hillary will have no problem winning her senate seat and the presidency in 20012.
*******************************************
dl, You lost your credibility, in “20012″, no
one will know what the hell we are all whining
about. Although in “2012″ it is almost guaranteed
with all these sour grapes out there, I doubt
she’ll even have a chance getting on the
Democratic primaries !
Posted by: spacerook1 | August 24, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
I cant wait to see the Romney pick and then the add that would have him saying this “If you ask people, ‘Look at the three things Senator McCain has done as a senator,’ if you want that kind of a liberal Democrat course as president, then you can vote for him,” Romney told campaign workers. “But those three pieces of legislation, those aren’t conservative, those aren’t Republican, those are not the kind of leadership that we need as we go forward.”
Posted by: Dennis Fort Myers Fl | August 24, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Russia invades Georgia and President Bush goes on vacation. Our president has spent one-third of his entire two terms in office either at Camp David, Maryland, or at Crawford, Texas, on vacation.
His time away from the Oval Office included the month leading up to 9/11, when there were signs Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America, and the time Hurricane Katrina destroyed the city of New Orleans. Sen. John McCain takes weekends off and limits his campaign events to one a day. He made an exception for the religious forum on Saturday at Saddleback Church in Southern California.
I think he made a big mistake. When he was invited last spring to attend a discussion of the role of faith in his life with Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, at Messiah College in Pennsylvania, McCain didn’t bother to show up. Now I know why. It occurs to me that John McCain is as intellectually shallow as our current president. When asked what his Christian faith means to him, his answer was a one-liner. “It means I’m saved and forgiven.” Great scholars have wrestled with the meaning of faith for centuries. McCain then retold a story we’ve all heard a hundred times about a guard in Vietnam drawing a cross in the sand.
Asked about his greatest moral failure, he cited his first marriage, which ended in divorce. While saying it was his greatest moral failing, he offered nothing in the way of explanation. Why not?
Throughout the evening, McCain chose to recite portions of his stump speech as answers to the questions he was being asked. Why? He has lived 71 years. Surely he has some thoughts on what it all means that go beyond canned answers culled from the same speech he delivers every day.
He was asked “if evil exists.” His response was to repeat for the umpteenth time that Osama bin Laden is a bad man and he will pursue him to “the gates of hell.” That was it.
He was asked to define rich. After trying to dodge the question — his wife is worth a reported $100 million — he finally said he thought an income of $5 million was rich.
One after another, McCain’s answers were shallow, simplistic, and trite. He showed the same intellectual curiosity that George Bush has — virtually none.
John McCain graduated 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. His father and grandfather were four star admirals in the Navy. Some have suggested that might have played a role in McCain being admitted. His academic record was awful. And it shows over and over again whenever McCain is called upon to think on his feet.
He no longer allows reporters unfettered access to him aboard the “Straight Talk Express” for a reason. He simply makes too many mistakes. Unless he’s reciting talking points or reading from notes or a TelePrompTer, John McCain is lost. He can drop bon mots at a bowling alley or diner — short glib responses that get a chuckle, but beyond that McCain gets in over his head very quickly.
I am sick and tired of the president of the United States embarrassing me. The world we live in is too complex to entrust it to someone else whose idea of intellectual curiosity and grasp of foreign policy issues is to tell us he can look into Vladimir Putin’s eyes and see into his soul.
George Bush’s record as a student, military man, businessman and leader of the free world is one of constant failure. And the part that troubles me most is he seems content with himself.
He will leave office with the country $10 trillion in debt, fighting two wars, our international reputation in shambles, our government cloaked in secrecy and suspicion that his entire presidency has been a litany of broken laws and promises, our citizens’ faith in our own country ripped to shreds. Yet Bush goes bumbling along, grinning and spewing moronic one-liners, as though nobody understands what a colossal failure he has been. I fear to the depth of my being that John McCain is just like him.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
We agree then John McCain is dangerous. Is it me or does he not realize that he is a walking oxy-moron? He calls Obama and elitist, but owns more homes than he can remember. He voted 95% with Bush but says he’s a Maverick. Says Obama can’t admit surge worked, but he can’t say it was wrong to be there. Says Obama is out of touch, but admittedly knows nothing about the internet or economics. Wants to drill now, now, but didn’t a few years back. He himself has changed more stances that pairs of $500 shoes, but he calls Obama a flip-flopper. He says Biden was critical of Obama, but his party was so critical against him he almost left it. What’s not dangerous about the man who says Obama is driven by ambition, but forgetting he wrote in his own book that he didn’t want to be president because of his love for country but for his ambition to be president for the country he probably didn’t love until he was deprived of her company? McCain has said when asked for info as a POW he gave the names of the Steelers instead of his men, then in Green Bay it was the Packers. Next time he’s in California, watch the story change to the Raiders. Says his favorite ABBA song helped him through time as a POW, but the song he named was made until after he was released. He even offered his wife into a wet T-shirt contest and “joked” about bombing Iran and killing arabs with cigarettes. DANGER, DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!!! McCain is lost in space.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
You rock CW
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
searambler…
first off, show me where you found that the war tab is close to our national debt?? thats just flat out false. secondly, you’re right, their was a budget surplus when clinton left office. which is obviously a good thing, but depending on how you look at it there was alot of things ignored and mismanaged under clinton. the energy crisis (yes, it WAS a crisis then too, just ignored), the terrorist activity(actually HAPPENED under clintons watch, and too was ignored), the lending laws that were “changed” while he was there that helped lead to predatory lending and housing crisis. now, im not blaming clinton for everything either, but you have to be fair. and because we had a BUDGET surplus dosnt mean we didnt have a national debt!!! they are two different things. we have been stealing money from social security for years, IGNORING the social security issue for years, wasting money on welfare for DECADES…. i know im going over alot of different issues here, but im trying to show that the national debt has been building for years. and both parties are to blame. and all the blame simply cant be put on bush. and with all the taxing and government “promises” from obama, you can only expect more money out of the bank. the bank being OUR POCKETS.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
If McCain picks a pro-choice running mate he’s been lying to the Right. If he picks an abortion foe, he’s been lying to the Left. Either way, MCCAIN IS A LIAR. In FACT even floating the idea of a pro-choice running mate shows he’s not truly against abortion like he’s been telling the Right so McCain been lying to them all along. Abortion is something you’re either for or against, the middle ground that McCain has been trying to play on does not exist.
Posted by: dan | August 24, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
realist…
see my post below as well.. lol
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Gas cost $1.41 when W took office
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Or this one Republican presidential candidate John McCain said tonight he appreciated Mitt Romney’s endorsement of his candidacy, announced just hours ago, but that it would undermine virtually every aspect of his “straight talk express” if the 72-year-old senator were to accept the accolade.
Posted by: Dennis Fort Myers Fl | August 24, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
realist.. you’re point is?!
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Shame on you Obama for not picking Hillary, especially when all you have is a speech.
Posted by: AkaDad | August 24, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Tim I do agree with you on Social Security and the deficit…..everyone is to blame for that.
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
i could really cre less, but why do people think that hillary is more qualified to be ANYTHING over joe biden?
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
realist…
ok, but you dont agree the oil crisis was ignored?! the terrorist activity?! or attacks i should say?! how can you not agree that those were ignored?! and if you look into what brought upon the housing crisis, you’ll find the clinton administartion made some very poor decisions on that as well….
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
USA/GAllOP POLL latest :
The poll, taken Saturday of 876 registered voters, showed just 14 percent of registered voters said Obama’s choice makes them more likely to vote for him.
After John Kerry chose former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards as his running mate in 2004, 24 % of registered voters said they were more likely to vote for him.
16% said they were more likely to vote for Al Gore in 2000 after he chose Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman. In 1992, Gore gave Bill Clinton much more clout — 33 percent said they were more likely to vote for Clinton because of his running mate selection.
We know the history …only Clinton won the GE.
Posted by: Dead Cat Bounce | August 24, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
again, with the irrelevent polls… lol
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Just tell me how Obama’s entitlement programs are NOT going to increase inflation,increase the national debt, which will cause the value of the dollar to fall? Oh yeah, he is going to sock it to the rich and big oil, WHICH MEANS THE REST OF US WILL WIND UP PAYING FOR ALLL THE PIE IN THE SKY STUFF THAT EUROPE AND CANADA ARE TRYING TO SCRUB. THE SO CALLED FAT CATS WILL JUST PUT THEIR MONEY OFFSHORE OR INTO TAX FREE MUNIS JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME A PRES TRIED THAT. OBAMA’S ENCONOMIC POLICY? GOBBLEDYGOOK!!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
manitu…
well said. very well said. some people just dont see the big picture though. they love to hear what THEY WANT TO HEAR. they want to hear “less taxes on the poor middle class”, “punnishing the big bad oil companies” and all the other crap he tries to brainwash the american people with. they just dont see the big picture. stealing from the rich to give to the poor is not what america is about. besides, maybe, JUST MAYBE, its a spending problem and not a taxing issue??? maybe… but who wants to hear that when they want their government to babysit everything we do.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
I have been a lifelong Democrat and I am voting for john McCain this fall. My own party has thrown away the very foundations that made it great and they need to be taught a lesson about leaning to the middle and to the right. It should never have been what the Democratic party was about. Furthermore, that is some combination for President in the Democratic party, Steve Erkel and Bluto, the schoolyard bully! lolol What a joke! I hope Obama loses big time in the fall for how he and his machine have destroyed and reconstructed my beloved party into something that doesn’t even resemble the Democratic party principles any longer. We have to make sure that the party gets back on track and the only way they will do this is for them to get a huge slap in the face when John MCCain is elected in November. The smallest issue we have is how Hillary was treated and how the Democratic party stabbed her in the back. The larger and more important issue is the way they are restructuring the Democratic party. Instead of standing their ground on their principles they are pandering to the right and middle to get someone elected and it absolutely disgusts me. People say we are sour grapes about Hillary not getting the nomination. This is the farthest thing from the truth. We are upset because they are slowly destroying our party. Is it any wonder that we can’t get someone elected to the office of President when we keep putting on different masks every other year? People at this point don’t even know what we stand for any longer. We are liberal, we are humanitarian, than we are to the right, and than we are to the middle, we go with experience, than we go with total inexperience, and they wonder why people are so confused? Someone told me to look in the mirror because that is the person I will be hurting in the fall by voting for John MCCain. I say to them that they need to look in the mirror because that is the person who is assisting the Democratic party in obliterating its core principles by simply ACCEPTING whatever and whoever they jam down our throats. It is not okay. I am not okay with it. Millions of people are not okay with it. They are sorely mistaken if they really believe this is primarily only all about Hillary and her loss. It is about much greater stakes than Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Mary Anne | August 24, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
oh yeah, dont let me forget to point out one little important fact about the rich (who already get hammered on taxes)…. THEY PROVIDE OUR JOBS!!!!!! when was the last time you guys worked for a “poor” person??? please, not all at once…
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Tim yes the oil crisis has been ignored by everyone since the 70′s. I agree with Afganistan due to 9-11 but never agreed with Iraq….hated that W changed the history of our Country by turning us into invaders when he went into Iraq without provocation. As far as the housing mess I don’t have facts to blame or not to blame Clinton.
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
mary anne..
it all makes sense, but only problem is that the republican party needs to be taught a lesson too. so NOW what do we do?!
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
John McCain and George W. Bush will jointly choose “Blackwater” Mitt Romney as the Republican Vice-Presidential candidate.
Posted by: US Citizen | August 24, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
An Open Letter to Senator McCain: Okay, we know you and the Republican machine are great with word turns, but it remains to be seen if the Republicans can pull us out of this very bad recession. I fear you will be an oil man and decide to keep Texas oil in the salt mines of LA. and those honorable Democrats will shut down the coal industry that help us win WW II. …I helped Gore win Florida in 2000 but pushing an old wagon down that road again has no rewards. Coal is the short term answer plus the oil reserve must be emptied this winter. This will allow the economy to recover….now just allow it to happen.
Posted by: Richard Paul Dembinsky | August 24, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Some things come to mind. One John MCain wants to promote in-party fighting going into the convention. Second the so-called 18 million Clinton supporters are angry and acting out of emotions (in my opinion) because McCain doesn’t support women’s issues. Clinton stayed in the race too long. She and her campaign rode the waves of her supporters emotions into debt well after it became increasingly clear that Obama would be the nominee. They insisted on staying in despite the math and her increasing debt. Now she’s what, 25 million in the whole? 18 millions supporters could retire that by donating about $1.50 each. Instead they expect Obama to pay off her decision to stay too long. Clinton mismanaged her campaign. McCain has alson mismanged his campaign. Both have have several shake ups. But the man whom they both have said has no experience, beat her, out managed her, out fund raised her, did his homework, won fairly, and who has had no mangerial shake ups in his campaign. Both were wrong on their vote for war. Both underestimate the American people’s need for change. I submit that if Clinton’s supporters feel that committed to voting for McCain, don’t just give your vote away. Demand the same thing for your vote that you want from Obama. Make his select her as VP. It’s amazing that Obama, who represents women’s issues in this election, can’t get their support because he beat her fairly and democratically, but McCain get their votes for free. He just say’s “I like Clinton!” and they rally to him? in the words of a “‘Maverick”, Remarkable, remarkable.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Realist.
The terms for the cease fire with Iraq during the first gulf war were not not kept by Iraq. OUR SO CALLED INVASION WAS A CONTINUATION OF THAT WAR – CONVENIENTLY FORGOTTON BY LIBS!! HOW MANY UN RESOLUTION??? UN DID NOTHING – SO WHAT’S NEW??
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
“John was offered, and refused, “early release.” Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to “admit” that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was “lenient and humane.” So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW’s were released, with the sick and wounded going first.”
Posted by: Jack | August 24, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
realist…
ok, but i think the republicans DID try to do something during the 90′s on the oil crisis… lol thats my point. they at least wanted to drill for our own oil instead of sending billions overseas which we have continued to do. im not saying that would have solved everything, but it sure would have been nice now right? we could have just been focussing on alternative energy instead of having to worry about gas prices and STILL sending billions of dollars to our enemies. and im more reffering to the terrorist attacks on the world trade center (the first time), our embassies, the u.s.s cole.. ya know the ones that the clinton administration totally ignored.. you do realize the rest of the world agreed with the information that led bush to go into iraq right? i cant point that out enough…
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Manitu….I heard it like everyone else….they had WMD….W stood right there and told us that. The UN should have gone in if it was a breech from the first Gulf war.
Posted by: Realist | August 24, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Richard.
Empty the oil reserves? Israel hits Iran and with our oil reserves spent – WE’RE DEAD!!!!!! DUH!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
realist…
tell me another major foreign country whose intelligence didnt say the EXACT same things? did they not all agree with u.s. intellegence? or am i forgetting something? you people on the left soooo badly want to make it one sided. BUSH DID NOT LIE ABOUT THE INTELLEGENCE. get over it…..
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
McCain Ads are superb – right out of their own mouths about the one – no spin, just the honest truth! Words, just words!
Obama didn’t pick Hillary because she IS the better choice for POTUS and he dislikes her and Bill. He picked Biden because Biden is no competition at all (just a white-haired dude who lost the primaries by a land-slide), and he is hoping that Biden will rally round Hillary supporters (you know Scranton, working class, blue collar, Union). However, if Biden couldn’t do it for himself, dunno how he is going to do it for BO! BO is just another politician, but I guess his fear and dislike of Hillary is deeper than his desire to be pres.
PUMA!
Posted by: Beckie | August 24, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
wow, i missed that one from richard… who in their right mind would say take ANYTHING out of the oil reserves let alone EMPTY IT??!! my goodness man….
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
The UN has no balls – or ever will. That’s why we on the right laugh when Obama says – take it to the UN – let them decide. LA LA LAND!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
realist…
also, not sure if you have noticed, but the U.N dosnt do much of anything it should.. lol i mean, saddam ignored how many sanctions? 12 or 13?! they did nothing. they are irrelevent.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
thank you manitu.. lol
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
The UN has no guts – that’s why we on the right laugh when Obama says to take it to the UN. LA LA LAND!!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
People keep saying 18mil of Clinton supporter are upset and not going to back Obama. Right now 25 percent of those supporters are not voting for Obama and 65-75 percent are. If the roles were reversed I would have voted for Hillary in a heart beat as I do not want 4 more years of a candidate that supports 95 percent of Bush policies.
Keep in mind people. While most on this blog keep up with each canidate, most people are clueless and vote one way or another either because they voted Rep or Dem in the past. They do not care about polices or issues but vote on emotions, who has the best light show at the convention, who gives the best speech etc. If you asked most of them what each canidate stands for they couldnt answer. Sad but these people determine who is going to be the President. Oh-They will be the first to complaine to. Take the Clinton now McCain voters. Emotion mostly and spite. If they are voting for McCain they should believe in the Republicans ideas and policies. God help us if this is going to happen everytime a woman runs and gets defeated. If Hillary is your hero then do what she wants. Obama and Clintons policies and ideas are very close. Clinton is doing great at supporting Obama and campaining for him. He will keep Clinton in his circle because he knows what she can bring to the table. But thats right-Lets vote for McCain because that will show the DNC. Guess what idiots. If the DNC had given Clinton everything she wanted the outcome would have been the same.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Interesting..Since McCain opposed legislation of equal work for equal pay – would Hillary have to make 77 cents (like the rest of us) on the dollar compared to her male counterparts if she had been the VP?
Posted by: Jennifer | August 24, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Tim, I said the budget DEFICIT, not the national debt (which is several trillion dollars, give or take a buck). The current war tab is widely reported as over half a trillion dollars. The projected budget deficit for this year is around 480 billion. Google it, several sources give the same numbers. I agree the national debt is something that has been building for decades and is not simply one party’s (or one person’s) doing. I was merely making a comparison of the monetary cost of the war vs. this years budget deficit. I realize there are a LOT more economic factors that would need to be considered if we are going to have a discussion of the national debt. But that is OT to this blog, which started as a discussion about Mccain’s latest ad…..
Posted by: SearamblerOne | August 24, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Obama’s VP choice proves what a lightweight he is..
He’s afraid of Hillary, afraid of debates, afraid to make a decision, afraid to fight his own battles.
It must have been a blow to Obama’s huge ego to admit he needed Biden to cover up his weaknesses.
Wasn’t it Obama that said he knew the world better than his opponents? Sorry but the polls show that most Americans think Obama is a gas bag.
It’s going to be fun to watch Obama eat his own words.
Posted by: riley | August 24, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
What so many of these posts fail to acknowledge (maybe you just don’t understand the view from the middle) is that many of us who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries are not Democrats. In my lifetime I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats for President. Just because we have only two parties (sorry and out of touch as they may be)doesn’t mean every voter falls into one camp or the other. Swing voters will decide this election and many of those “swing voters” were, and still are, Clinton supporters. The McCain camp knows it and is wooing them with words of respect for their candidate and her achievements. It seems to me that the Obama camp is going to throw away all these potential swing voters in their unbelievable show of “poor winner” behavior and it will probably cost him the election.
Posted by: mhhunt | August 24, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
These guys are different sides of the same coin. Senator Clinton was the only true moderate and could actually have united the country.
Posted by: JKIR | August 24, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
mhhunt: if it were the case that Obama loses, this country will tank. At that point, you will have nobody but yourself to blame for what you see, people losing their homes, your friends and family members being shipped off to die in foreign lands for oil, etc. McCain is the man who once said he doesn’t know much about economics.
Posted by: jack | August 24, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
mhhunt-t seems to me that the Obama camp is going to throw away all these potential swing voters in their unbelievable show of “poor winner” behavior and it will probably cost him the election.
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There is so much at stake this election and Hillary has asked her supporters to get behind Obama. She has even released a statement about this ad. At what point does Obama quit becoming a “poor winner” and you are simply a “sore loser”? The future of our country is at stake and a select few are willing to throw that away because they are getting their feelings hurt.
Posted by: Jennifer | August 24, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
i hope John Mccain should concentrate on his own vp choose rather than talk about democratic choice which has already been chosen, not every body has to be chosen i thought barack has made a good choice, john mccain has been too hipocritical during this process he said obama should go to iraq and europe he went Mccain critisize,he went for vacation after 18 months on the campaign mccain critisize and now mccain is in his range for his own vacation, Obama gave a speech in berlin mccain critisize but he has given various speeches in europe example at the consercative party convention in UK, had it been obama chooses hilary to be his VP it wound have been nice again for them to make more negative add about her so what the Mccain camp was hoping they did not get it. I hope the American people takes note of this type of hiporacy which does not give answers to the economical,energy educational and infrastructural problem Americas faces today.
Posted by: louis | August 24, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Jack-Agree with you 100% – but did you hear the news? It does not matter what McCain will or won’t do/what his vision is or what his legislative background is. He is a POW and for no other reason the McCain campaign has said that is why we should vote for him.
Posted by: Jennifer | August 24, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
The canidates on both sides of the tables campaine to the American people like they are a bunch of mindless sheep. Mainly the republicans. They cant talk about what they can do for us but can only send out negitive ads about Obama. They send out stupid ads comparing Obama to Spears and Hilton. And the sheep follow. Can you blame them. Now they have found some mindless blind sheep in way of the Clinton now McCain voters and are taking advantage of that. Oh sure and those sheep will follow too. When is the American people going to stand up and say enough is enough. We elect you into office and demand that you work for the American people and what is best for this country and not what is best for your own agenda. The we are not mindless sheep and demand honesty about what you can do for us when you are campaining and we do not want th hear stupid negitive ads. Oh yea- What would the republicans talk about. McCain would say, I agree and support 95 percent of Bush polocies and dont you want more of the same for 4 years? Havnt the last eaight years been great!! I guess he is limited to negitive ads and leading the
mindless sheep. Whats really sad is it seems to work. Americans deserve what they get everytime. I guess our economy, health care, borders, fuel prices, two wars and probably would have more if Bush had not of run out of military, etc are not bad enough yet. I see half the nation wants to vote for more of the same way we have been living. When you see they state our country is in and you are willing to vote for a man that has said he AGREES with 95 percent of Bush failed policies we have a problem in this country.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Say goodbye to your reproductive rights, PUMA folks. Two or three Supreme Court Justices from now all you’ll have to blame is yourselves.
Posted by: Chris | August 24, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
MCcain thinks that most Americans are fool.WE are not. The Hillary supporters are not going to vote for you in the fall. We are DEMOCRAT AND WILL REMAIN DEMOCRAT FOREVER. So these tactics won’t work. We can not wait for another four more years. SORRY.
OBAMA-BIDEN ’08.
Posted by: I.A.T.SMITH | August 24, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
McCain is upset that Clinton didn’t get picked as the VP…….he knows that there are millions more out here that hate her than are for her and he knew he would pick up those votes in a hurry………He is now out of luck and he knows it!
C-Ya McCain………..Back to one of your seven homes you didn’t know about………
Posted by: Dave Peck | August 24, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Today, one of the Obama’s camp’s supporters told the news media that Obama and the DNC are not worry about Hillary’s supporters. Obama and the DNC felt it was not necessary to select Hilleary to win; because, they strongly believe that Hillary’s supporters are just blowing off steam and come election day Hillary’s supporters will vote for Obama like the other Obama’s supporters. I was going to let it go and look at Obama but ater that statement, no way. I just donated money to McCain’s campaign and will vote for McCain in the coming election. The Obama and DNC need to be taught a lesion for their disrespect to Hillary and her supporters.
Posted by: Linda | August 24, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
McCain is upset that Clinton didn’t get picked as the VP…….he knows that there are millions more out here that hate her than are for her and he knew he would pick up those votes in a hurry………He is now out of luck and he knows it!
C-Ya McCain………..Back to one of your seven homes you didn’t know about………
Posted by: Dave Peck | August 24, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
John McSame has to be the weakest candidate i’ve witnessed in my lifetime.
all my friends and family used to be republicans but we are now switching and voting on the other side this time. i cant believe what our party has become lately an in the last 8 years. it’s despicable and we need to get our respect and honer back. and i just cannot vote for a wartime traitor and evil neo-con in the disguise of a GOP maverick. there’s no way he even has a chance so we’re bailing now while it’s still early.
just this add alone would have ruined my respect for this person
count me in as another republican voting for mr obama
Posted by: troy1 | August 24, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
MCcain thinks that most Americans are fool.WE are not. The Hillary supporters are not going to vote for you in the fall. We are DEMOCRAT AND WILL REMAIN DEMOCRAT FOREVER. So these tactics won’t work. We can not wait for another four more years. SORRY.
OBAMA-BIDEN ’08.
Posted by: I.A.T.SMITH | August 24, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
So McCain was going to Hillary’s words to attack Obama whether or not Obama picked her for VP. This comes from the same person who described Obama’s health care plan as “Hillarycare,” a derisive term in the GOP circle. Now he is criticizing Obama for not respecting Hillary?
Posted by: Obama/Biden 08 | August 24, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
All you McCain Supporters better read up on your POW War Hero McCain……..
They not only broke him when he was a POW, he was one of their “Pets” and even turned on his own kind!!
If he broke once and turned on his own once…..he will do it again !!!
You are right tho….he is a cowardly, lying, sticking republican just like all the rest!
Posted by: Dave Peck | August 24, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
I’ll say this again, because Hillary supporters flat out don’t see this: If Obama picked Clinton as his VP, he would’ve done ALL of McCain’s work FOR him in terms of mobilizing his base. Not only that, I’m sure he remembered some of the bs that Bill and Hillary spread about him in the primaries.
And stop kidding yourselves…she didn’t want to be VP. She wanted to be president. Stop acting like children, grow the hell up, and support the party who will win this election.
Posted by: H | August 24, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
If McCain can advise Obama, maybe Obama should advise him to return to 2000 before he became a Bushie. In 2000 he was a possibility, in 2008 Bush has his number 95% of the time. Probably on speed dial.
Posted by: Nelly | August 24, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
childish, petulant, “fake”, stupid, ditto on childish, good-bye to your reproductive rights, opposition to equal pay for equal work,….mantra, mantra, mantra.
well, Obama pays his female operatives NOW less than he pays his male operatives.
Overturn of reproductive rights, does this mean the Democratic controlled congress will not vet the justices nominated same as the DNC/MSM has not vetted Obama?
As for all the name calling ’cause Hillary supporters don’t fall into party line, well, it reminds me of interviews I’ve done with WWII era survives. Both extremes, the fascist and the communist resorted to it big time. And the object: CONTROL. Instill fear, annihilate dissent.
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
If Hillary was the better choice then she would be in the final stages and not Obama. McCain’s ad is pure gibberish. He and the republicans had already planned to massacre Hillary. You all praise Hillary, and that’s fine. But know this, Hillary has been in Washington a long time. Long enough for McCain and his party not to fear her. We all know the longer your in Washington, the dirtier you get. McCain nor the Republicans know how to battle Obama, they wasted all their time, money and energy on Hillary and Edwards. McCain can’t bring up the old republican standby’s Morals, and Family Values he’s stuck and all he can do is hurl half truth’s and run from his own LACKLUSTER history in the senate.
People don’t buy into this Hillary was cheated crap. Hillary was benched for her own political skeletons that the Republicans may know about.And not because shes a woman!
Obama has McCain’s number and McCain knows he’s up against a JUGGERNAUT in Obama. Look at McCain’s ads they’re comical and way out in there. He speaks about nothing, he can’t he’s incapable of having a thought that’s not negative. He’s nothing more than a Republican Puppet, like Bush. And the NeoCons need a McCain playing President while Romney takes up where Cheney left off. See pass the illusion and see that the PEOPLE are the biggest threat to power. Look at the Bush policies and understand one thing. His job was to abolish your rights and protections granted you be the fore fathers of this Nation. McCain will follow suit, that’s his job, dance for fame and ignore the people.
Posted by: Dana | August 24, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
A vote for McCain or Hillary name write-in is a vote against the DNC and Obama. NoObama and No DNC. And, it is not just the women that feel strongly about this, it is also the men that support Hillary.
COUNTRY FIRST, party second!!!
Posted by: Quincy | August 24, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
the PUMA not real supporters
mantra, mantra, mantra
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
I think this is one of the most brilliant ads to-date by the McCain campaign. As a Hillary supporter, it just opens up the wound once again about how Hillary was treated by Obama, the DNC and the MSM. Reinforces the pride and arrogance of Obama, not even to include her in the consideration for VP. This seals his fate in November and exposes the two-faced hypocrite that he is.
Way to gO McCain!!!
Posted by: Never Obama | August 24, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
As a Hillary supporter I have to admit it is extremely difficult for me to support Obama, however it is impossible for me to vote for McCain. There is NO WAY this country can survive another Republican presidency. It will take at least a generation for our country to undo the damage Bush and Cheney have done. If we allow another Republican to select more Supreme Court Justices we run the possibility of NEVER repairing the damage. So while I am bitter and angry that Hillary lost the primary and Obama failed to select her as his running mate, I WILL put the country first and vote for Obama/Biden. We simply cannot afford eight more years like we have just experienced.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Just deal with the facts……..A Vote for McSame is a vote for four more years of what you got now….
Let your conscience be your guide.
Posted by: Dave Peck | August 24, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
-If Hillary was the better choice then she would be in the final stages and not Obama.-
now that’s a statement coming from someone who has never read The Prince.
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Dave I was going to post the same thing, but considered the fact that we all might break under extreme circumstances. But I agree that McCain sanged like a bird and folded. He dismisses these facts by saying, “I wish I had been stronger.” like he dismisses the lies of his affair as “I regret mistakes in my first marriage”. What does that mean? It means, he lied, cheated on his wife, abandoned her for a younger woman, after she became disabled. Then he was lying to Cindy about his age. Why is this relevant? Because he folded, he shouldn’t be playing the POW card. They want to say he’s a hero and to some he is, but some other heroes died rather than fold and give information to the enemy. McCain said he probably didn’t even love America until he was a POW and was deprived of her company. That means when he took his oath of enlistment (same oath as President) he lied. He didn’t love America then, he was arrogant, cocky and riding his father’s coattails. His enlistment was more a birthright than patriotism then and I believe he’ll do anything to be president, to include folding to the torturous acts of waterboarding, err I meant swiftboating.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Obama the flim flam flip flop con artist from Chicago. About time Obama’s long term ties to crooks like Rezco and unrepentant domestic terrorists like Ayers is being talked about in the mainstream media.
Posted by: gary | August 24, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
If John McCain’s smart enough to pick a solid female VP candidate like Gov. Palin of Alaska. The Hillary democrats will turn out to vote for that ticket in large numbers. Besides, Biden can’t get nasty with her in the VP debate without looking like a jerk.
If he does that, he can’t lose in November.
Posted by: Marty | August 24, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
He didn’t love America then (until he starting running for P), he is arrogant, cocky and riding DNC coattails.
Perfect description of Obama.
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Marty,
totally agreed, but why would you choose palin?
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Hillary supporters cannot sit it out or waste their vote on a write in….allows Bozo to inch closer. A loud and clear message is vote John McCain, never Barack Obama.
It was lovely to watch Howard Dean squirm on C-Span this morning when callers, one in particular, reamed him for allowing the press/media/BO campaign to call Clintons racist or biggots…this guy was from mid-west and really making Howard Dean sweat for passing the hand puppet through the primaries since Hillary had the popular vote.
Posted by: Debra | August 24, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
WOW!!! I was not going to support McCain and fall in line and vote for Obama. to be safe, it is best for me to support McCain. I will give money next week for his McCain. I never did trust Obama.
Posted by: GAGirl | August 24, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
*applauds Dana’s post*
Good stuff, Dana. I like that someone else is speaking to that point; that McCain has been trying to figure out just how to campaign against Obama…and I don’t think we’ve seen it yet. He’s been wasting a lot of time on attacks that either a.)nobody takes seriously, or b.)pander to his base.(whatever his base may BE, I don’t know)
Throw Biden into the mix, and the GOP seriously looks to be travelling up a certain creek, clinging to a broken paddle. I hope to GOD McCain picks Romney, thinking he’ll shore up the economic shortfall, as I would LOVE to see Biden eviscerate Mitt on October 2nd.
Posted by: H | August 24, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
This was good and all “FACTS” something the republicans know little about…..
You can tell when McSame (The lying ,cheating, coward) is the best they could come up with to replace their cheer-leader who has crippled our country!
Read again who the Republicans present as their top choice:
Dave I was going to post the same thing, but considered the fact that we all might break under extreme circumstances. But I agree that McCain sanged like a bird and folded. He dismisses these facts by saying, “I wish I had been stronger.” like he dismisses the lies of his affair as “I regret mistakes in my first marriage”. What does that mean? It means, he lied, cheated on his wife, abandoned her for a younger woman, after she became disabled. Then he was lying to Cindy about his age. Why is this relevant? Because he folded, he shouldn’t be playing the POW card. They want to say he’s a hero and to some he is, but some other heroes died rather than fold and give information to the enemy. McCain said he probably didn’t even love America until he was a POW and was deprived of her company. That means when he took his oath of enlistment (same oath as President) he lied. He didn’t love America then, he was arrogant, cocky and riding his father’s coattails. His enlistment was more a birthright than patriotism then and I believe he’ll do anything to be president, to include folding to the torturous acts of waterboarding, err I meant swiftboating.
Posted by: Dave Peck | August 24, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
On the day of the announcement of his selection to be the Democratic nominee for vice- President, Joe Biden was quick to go on attack and use the Bush clone metaphor in describing John McCain. Cloning of course involves copying genes. Clones, copying and plagiarism seem to be recurrent themes in the life of Joe Biden. It has been reported that during his first year at Syracuse University Law School, Joe Biden lifted five pages of material out of a total fifteen page legal research and writing class memo from a Fordham Law Review article. Copying and mimicking behavior is sometimes said to be the sincerest form of flattery but plagiarism falls into a special category of a backhanded compliment because it implies a disdain for the original author and your audience. Did Joe Biden believe that none of his professors would look up his citations or have read or be familiar with the Fordham law review article on product liability. Did Joe Biden believe that law review articles from a Catholic Jesuit institution such as Fordham in New York did not carry the same weight and would not be widely read as an article appearing in Harvard Law Review or Standford University Law Review and therefore it was okay to lift a third of his paper from the article.
Many Catholics would be offended that a fellow Irish Catholic like Joe Biden would have such a low opinion of a prominent Catholic institution law review to use it as a source to commit plagiarism. It is almost a slap in the face against all Catholics and Catholic higher institutions of learning.
Posted by: politicsandtraditions | August 24, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Obama supporters just don’ get it. I can understand why Obama didnt want Clinton as vp, but he needs to stop lying and tell his advisors to stop lying too. They never considered her, the 3am text was a last dig at her, and he didnt have the guts to tell her she didnt get the nod an advisor did, then he decided to talk to her. She has campaigned for this man in fl, cali, nevada and new mexico. I say enough hillary tell dean and pelosi to hit the pavement for their guy. Also as a Hillary supporter I get it Obama and his supporters hate Hillary fine, and I am under no illusions that she will get any position in his cabinet and I also wouldnt be surpised if he funded someone to run against her in the senate that’s just the type of guy he is. I hope he comes through for you guys with all his promises.
Posted by: rachel | August 24, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
All of you little conservative puppets go ahead..keep talking about Rezko….I can’t wait until the name Keating starts coming up. Go ahead, bring up those fake GOP “values” that you used to have. You’re on a sinking ship, and when it’s all said and done, I’ll be smiling as you’re sucked under.
Posted by: H | August 24, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
sara, You talk about the damage to the Nation caused by President Bush during the last four years. Albeit the economy could be better but how do you think Obama will improve the economy? Obama’s economic plan of increasing spending on more and bigger government welfare programs by a TRILLION dollars will make the economy worse, not better.
– Obama’s tax increases will hurt the Middle Class. Obama has stated that he will repeal Bush’s tax cuts which would mean a family of four earning $50,000 taxes would go up by $2500.
– Obama’s overall tax increases will hurt small businesses and force them to down size and lay of more people or go out of business that could very well lead to another great depression.
– Obama refuses to drill for new oil here on our own soil, build new refineries or build nuclear power plants which will increase our dependence on foreign oil and keep gas prices high. Obama has even stated that he thinks the high price of gas is ok with him.
As to Supreme Court Justices, I want the elected Executive Branch and Legislative Branch writing our Nations laws, not a group of nine judges. Why did the US fight a Revolutionary war to throw out King George if in the end the US turns all the power to make laws over to a bunch of unelected judges?
That is why will vote for McCain is the only choice if you want lower taxes, a growing economy, lower gas prices and a Supreme Court who do not think their role is to write the laws of the land and overrule our elected representatives.
Posted by: Mary | August 24, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
For those of you trying to use the Roe vs Wade being overturned argument, please do a little bit of homework. No President alone can simply “appoint” a Supreme Court Justice. The President can nominate, but the Congress has to approve any nominee. The same can be said of laws, it is on the Congress to put forward and pass laws. Not the President. The President has the power of veto, however, Congress is much more powerful as long as they have the required number to override a veto. This, in my point of view, makes electing the right people to Congress much more important than which bad choice we have for President.
Posted by: Michiel W | August 24, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I say McCain picks a woman as VP or Lieberman. Which would be great, then we have a moderate ticket, and talk about bipartisan.
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Many of the posters to these blogs are overlooking something….there are masses of INDEPENDANT voters out here who really don’t know who they’re going to vote for at this point. Why don’t you Obama and McCain supporters try to impress us with your candidate, instead of all the juvenile back and forth insults. Is this your first election boys & girls???
Posted by: Ed | August 24, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Hype Obama wasn’t running for President in 2004. Check out the DNC speech and tell me who loves America. McCain was jumping the GOP ship 8 years back, now he’s the hero Maverick, ready and experienced? He was the same guy 8 years ago. THE GOP, ROVE in paticular chewed this guy up and spit him out. He was so scarred he threatened to turn on the party, like he did in Nam. He’s weak. The DNC can just run ads of McCain praising Bush and his policies, mixed in with the Rove attacks and show how screwed up you guys are. McCain is no more qualified this year than he was in 2000, when the GOP rejected him. He didn’t even make it out of his party let alone America, but now he’s America’s best choice. Is he and Cindy giving you guys free booze? And for those turned off by Obama’s arrogance, read McCain’s book. He an ego-maniac! Clinton supporters are just being unreasonable. It sportmanship at it’s worst. SHE LOST!!!!!!! 18 to 19, but she lost. You don’t see Al Gore supporters protesting and voting against their OWN interest. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your face. Clinton is still a political giant. She’ll be alright, but you, your family, your neighbors wont be if we have four more years of McBush policies. You’ll see gas go higher, friends losing homes, women losing rights, the poor getting poorer, rich getting richer and wars, everywhere. It’s okay to be passionate, but think people. Lastly, if Obama doesn’t win and it is believed to be because of Clintonites, how can she expect the support of Obama supporters? She would never be president. Please folks, get real and stop playing games with the future of your countrymen and friends because your being spiteful in support of someone who has endorsed the candidate. I could underrstand if she wasn’t on board, but she’s even smart enough to know that if you lose an ear, you don’t cut off the other one to make it look even.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
What happened to the headline this morning when Obama said Hell and apologized, as he usually says Heck, especially after going to church service this morn?
Posted by: Debra | August 24, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
‘All of you little conservative puppets go ahead..keep talking about Rezko….I can’t wait until the name Keating starts coming up.’
It HAS come up. It’s over twenty years olde… and McCain was cleared of any wrongdoings in it..
However as I recall, there were a lot of Democrats caught with their feet in that doo doo…..
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
rachel-
Was that supposed to be serious? I’m sure he didn’t consider her, and I’m sure that she NEVER considered being the VP. She knew she wasn’t going to be the VP nominee, and so did most of her supporters, although, that clearly hasn’t stopped a good portion of them from whining every step of the way.
Why would Hillary NOT campaign for Obama? To appease a sad, minority of her supporters? She wants him to win for the same reason I do. I DO NOT want John McCain as my president!
Obama’s supporters (self included) do not “hate” Hillary. I like Hillary on everything except for healthcare and, biggest of all, censorship. I won’t support her because of her track record of censorship…simple as that. Something I DO hate, however, are the disaffected Clinton supporters who claim she was “cheated” or “robbed”. She was DEFEATED. That’s the breaks.
Posted by: H | August 24, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
I think this is great when people talk about drilling on US soil for more oil….They are right…..there would be More oil BUT….not for “US!”….There would be more oil for the oil companies to put on the market and to make bigger profits….THERE IS NO GURANTEE THAT THIS WOULD HELP OUR COUNTRY AT ALL…this was all part of GW Plans to further help his partners in the oil industry before he is thrown out of office and McSame says he see nothing wrong with it!!! The question is, “DO YOU?”
Posted by: Dave Peck | August 24, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Since when did Hillary Clinton get to be the best thing since sliced bread. I remember a time when woman couldn’t stand her because she stayed with bill after Monica. I remember everyone labeling her divisive. I can remember when everything she did or said was criticized. Fox news used to have a field day with her and now them and McCain and all his followers are trying to use her cause conflict within the democratic party. Maybe she is as divisive as everyone said. And another thing, how can the women who support Hillary support McCain, when McCain made a nasty comment about Chelsea being ugly. I know you all remember that comment.
Posted by: Rach | August 24, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
>> CHAMP STANFORD | Aug 24, 2008 2:52:04 PM <<<
YOU'RE RIGHT!
HILLARY WILL BE OK!
But WE need more than a sweet talking Chicago style politician with "words…
just words"!
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
H, McCain was exonerated from any wrong doing in Keating 5 after a long investigation by the Senate Ethics Committee twenty years ago. The Rezco story is here and now. Obama at first denied his long term relationship with the convicted felon Rezco. But as usual, Obama’s lies caught up with him and Obama had to admit that the sweet heart home deal Rezco helped him with was a “bone headed” decision. More is coming out about Rezco and Obama’s long term relationship as we speak. Obama’s poor judgment and ties to the corrupt Chicago political machine are what Obama’s relationship with Rezco highlights. That is why as more comes out about it, all you left wing Obamarobots efforts to divert attention to a twenty year of story about Keating will fall on deaf ears.
Posted by: jim | August 24, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
According to two officials involved with the search, Hillary “asked not to be vetted unless she was going to be picked”. (see “Biden got Obama call during root canal”, AP article, 8-23-08)
This fits in with her, “I’ll release my tax returns when I’m the Nominee” and “I’ll release the donors to the Clinton Library when I’m President.”
Posted by: cincyr | August 24, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Eyes, he was cleared, BUT he was implicated!!! Believed to be involved with the Keating case. In fact without him it would be the Keating 4 Case. Obama has been cleared of any connection to what Rezko has been convicted of. He knew the guy so what, Bush knows Putin and looks into his soul. He was at his ranch. Bush Sr. knew Bin Laden and Noriega. McCain is a sham. He’s no Maverick, he’s more like Goose.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Ed -
I’m an independent. But, I’ve already decided. Vote McCain:
-experience
-vetted and known
-grasp of foreign affairs
-called it right on Lebanon, called it right on surge (nobody called it right on Iraq – Obama doesn’t count, he was not in the senate and was under Ayers influence)
-moderate (extremes not healthy for social stability)
-history of bipartisan work
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
DAVE PECK I was going to post the same thing, but considered the fact that we all might break under extreme circumstances. But I agree that McCain sanged like a bird and folded. He dismisses these facts by saying, “I wish I had been stronger.” like he dismisses the lies of his affair as “I regret mistakes in my first marriage”. What does that mean? It means, he lied, cheated on his wife, abandoned her for a younger woman, after she became disabled. Then he was lying to Cindy about his age. Why is this relevant? Because he folded, he shouldn’t be playing the POW card. They want to say he’s a hero and to some he is, but some other heroes died rather than fold and give information to the enemy. McCain said he probably didn’t even love America until he was a POW and was deprived of her company. That means when he took his oath of enlistment (same oath as President) he lied.
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I am not a McCain supporter but unless you served in Vietnam hush up!!!!!!!
I spent 3 tours between the Navy Hospital Ships USS Repose and USS Sanctuary, along with being pulled to various MASH units when they were short nurses. Until you have experienced being in a war our politicians don’t want to end you have no right to denigrate ANYONE who served their country. Until you have actually lived with the dirt, the heat, the pain, the fear the agony of watching people die around you just hush up!!! There is no way I will vote for McCain, but I will not stand by and watch some one knock someone for what happened during Vietnam.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
-Obama wasn’t running for President in 2004. Check out the DNC speech and tell me who loves America. -
The convention keynote speakers are a launching pad for the rookies. They put their best foot forward, otherwise it would be stupid for them to even address the convention. It’s like going on a first date, you always try to look and sound your best.
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Dave Peck, A little economics lesson of supply and demand for you. The more oil in the market the lower the price. The reason gas prices are so high now is that the US is not going after our own oil which keeps the supply of oil down for no good reason.
Think about it. Every other Nation in
the world is going gang busters trying to go after every last drop of oil they can. Other Nations are not as stupid as Obama supporters appear to be.
Why do you think Russia is now powerful enough to threaten their neighbors. Oil,yes oil, the new commodity that makes Nations powerful. If the US start going after our own oil, not only will it bring gas prices down here at home, it will increase the value of our dollar and help reduce our enormous deficit. Obama is against drilling for oil here, McCain is for drilling for oil here. That is all I need to know to vote for McCain.
Posted by: james | August 24, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
First of, Sara, 527 MP Company was my unit! I am a veteran who has served, in war and have watched death and continue to assist those making their transitions from the military to civilian life. MY SON is currently serving and just got back from Iraq, I father has a PH from Korea, and my uncle was killed in Nam so I’m speaking my mind! Speak yours. Ask my experience before you address me. I don’t have to talk about it because I lived it too. It a part of my family. What is unique for Mccain is he was a POW, but he is no more patriotic than I. My life has been committed to American service thank you very much. Now like Obama, I’d love to debate you on the issues, but like McCain you want to paint folks as unpatriotic.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Sara, for your information, …..1965-1968 I had my date with destiny…I was a platoon leader with the 82nd and had a 73% loss rate on a hill that you couldn’t even pronounce so don’t even have to gall to ever tell me what to say , think or whatever
Posted by: Dave Peck | August 24, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
The left can find ALL KINDS OF EXCUSES for not drilling for more domestic oil -most of them not justified. The oil companies WANT TO DRILL – if congress would get off their butts and stipulate that the oil STAYS HERE – or at least most of it, I think it would be a go. But it seems like the libs in congress led by Pelosi and Reed have closed discussion.
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
“Implicated” means that you are under suspicion.
Being found innocent means that you are no longer under suspicion…. that the situation has been investigated and that you are now cleared of all implications.
In other words, just being implicated in and even charged with a crime… does NOT automatically make you guilty!
You are innocent until PROVEN guilty!
Not the other way around!
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
James, your ignorance is showing…… The Saudis, the Spanish, Russia….they are all cutting back on production…they know they have us over a barrel and they are trying to hold us hostage. The US Companies are now selling 1/3 of their production to China….Do you think drilling here is going to change that ???
They are in it for “THE PROFIT” not their “COUNTRY!”
Posted by: Dave Peck | August 24, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
McCain paints people as unpatriotic? Hmm.
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
hype bites supreme, I agree with you, the media has not done its job of vetting Obama. As more comes out about Obama’s ties the the convicted felon Rezco and the unrepentant terrorist Ayers, I get really concerned about who Obama really is and if he would be good for our Nation. Obama’s ties to the corrupt political machine in Chicago alone is cause for concern. That is why I will vote for McCain.
Posted by: nan | August 24, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
-James, your ignorance is showing… The Saudis, the Spanish, Russia….they are all cutting back on production..-
The Spanish???? Since when do the Spanish drill for oil???
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
-he clearly displayed a love for this country years before -
How?
Posted by: hype bites supreme | August 24, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
OBama was even IMPLICATED!!! therefore no need to be declared innocent. McCain was close enough to be looked at. Implicated as a cheater doesn’t mean your cheating, but if you’re caught in a prostitute sting, it’s hard to claim “innocence”.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
CHAMP STAFFORD
I never imputed anyone’s comments to be “unpatriotic”. Every generation of my family has served this country. My oldest son was in Desert Storm, my youngest son served in Afghanistan in 2003 and my youngest daughter just returned from Iraq. I would love to see the issues debated instead of people attacking someone about their actions during Nam, then I wouldn’t feel compelled to defend someone I really don’t like very much.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Hahahaha – I bet republicans wish he had picked Clinton! I am so relieved to not to have to hear the bimbo years and the financial scandals rehashed.
The dynamic duo will leave McCain in the dust.
Posted by: McGreen | August 24, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
It is a old marxist to use someone’s good quality against them as the libs attacking McCain on his war record. You don’t hear much from Obama on the issue, why? OBAMA DOESN’T HAVE A WAR RECORD – LET ALONE A MILITARY RECORD. I THINK THAT HE WISHES THAT THE ISSUE WOULD JUST GO AWAY.
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Dave
There was a 12 month rotation for draftees during Nam. Those who voluntarily signed up went to Korea or Germany. How did you get stuck in Nam for 3 years??? And I would wager there isn’t a hill in Nam I can’t pronounce. Just who do you think bagged and tagged those who died on my tables?
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
His life and works to that point had been so that he was asked to give the speech. In the speech he spoke of an America we all believe in. He had no Presidential hopes at that time, he was just elected to the senate. I submit that that speech is where Obama became a threat to the GOP, but JSM said he didn’t probably didn’t love American until he was captured. He voted against the GI BIll and for Iraq. Now how do you vote to send kids to war, but not to college when they return? Obama is leading in military contributions, which means the troops are picking their leader. They don’t want the fake hero images painted by the GOP. Remember flight suites and Mission Accosmplished? Fake heroes is what the GOP makes, but real heroes like Jim Webb don’t paint themselves as such. Bush dodged Nam and sent more troops to death than any President in the last 25 years. Mccain is out to top that.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Just another cry in the wilderness:
Why, oh why, do so many disaffected Hillary supporters want to “get even” for her loss in the primaries?? And “get even” for her not being chosen for VP candidate?? Are these Democrats or Hillarycrats? Look at the Democratic party platform–look at McCain’s positions that are diametrically opposed to important rights and freedoms and aspirations of fellow Democrats. Give the Republicans another 4 years in power and you can kiss them goodbye.
Posted by: Colorado Dem | August 24, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
I liked Hillary but didn’t see her as electable, I live in a red state full of republicans, neocons and evangelicals that love to hate the Clintons. We know much money the Republican Swift Boat campaigns get to generate their smears.
Posted by: Citizen Voter | August 24, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Dave Peck, Let me get this straight, your argument against drilling for more oil here is: No profit, No oil? What is wrong with profit? If I was not paid to do my job I could not pay my bills, buy groceries or drive my car. Profit is good not bad. Oil companies need profit to pay their employees, drill for new oil and create more jobs. All good.
As to other Nations cutting back on production so they can hold us “hostage” that says to me there is even more reason to drill for more oil here so the US can never be held “hostage” again by the oil producing Nations. The question is why are Obama and the rest of the Democrats holding the American people “hostage” by blocking the oil companies from getting the oil we need here from our own soil.
Posted by: james | August 24, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
The 3 am text message was a deliberate slap at Hillary. If this is indicative of Obama as a person, let’s have a new game. How many blue states can we turn red by 3 am election day?
I am also angered by the implication that people who supported Hillary are sheep to be lead from one candidate to another. We do not need to be told who to vote for and we do not follow someone simply because we are told to. We have not sipped the Kool-aid and are capable of examining the issues and deciding who to vote for on our own. we are intelligent, concerned citizens who look for more than just a nice package. We want specifics and we want substance not rhetoric and nuanced ideas that have no basis in fact or fantasy.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
H, yes I am very serious. Yeap you and I both know that she was going to be considered, so Obama advisors need to stop lying saying that they seriously looked at her. Yes Hillary is doing what she should do campaign for Obama, all by her lonesome, while Obama supporters talk about her doing enough or nothing for Obama. I also would love for pelosi and dean to get off their high horse and go campaign for him like going door to door , rallies etc instead of seeing their faces on tv saying what they think about the Clintons. I respect if you don’t like Hillary on censorship, but I dont like the fact that Obama went back on his word on public financing and wire tapping. I cant in good conscience vote for McCain but I am not sold on Obama
Posted by: rachel | August 24, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
McCain may or may not know much about economics, but if OBAMA gets elected and gets all of his entitlement programs passed, Obama’s IGNORANCE OF BAD ECONOMIC DECISIONS WILL BE SELF EVIDENT – REAL FAST!!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
If you look at the people that McCain has crossed the aisle to work with to get legislation passed, you would be surprised and you would understand that this is a man who attacks the issue not the person. He has been a thorn in the side of Republicans for sometime because he directed his attention to resoution of an issue rather than party politics. I’m sure it’s cost him at some point. After further investigation into his record, it was interesting to see someone who really did see his position as one of service and not just a game to be played and won.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Sara, thank you and your family for their service and sacrifice. THERE’S IS NOTHING WRONG WITH LOVING AMERICA and I too feel that non-veterans should not address military issues, but I assume everyone has been affected my OEF/OIF. That’s why I think they should stop playing the hero card, because he was a POW. You’re a hero as well as your family, I believe I am a hero. Everyone serving is a hero, to include firefighters and policemen, but that alone doesn’t make you better qualified for President. Your votes and actions after serviving play a larger role. Go to the New GI Bill website and see an absent McCain for yourself. Bush credited McCain for helping to pass the bill and his campaign nor himself corrected it. He’s a fake and a sham of a man. He has no morals to accept that credit knowing he opposed it every step of the way. Obama supported the bill early on, so did Clinton. Obama was instrumental in uncovering the bad treatment of our real heroes at Walter Reed and genuinely cares about the risk of putting service members in harms way. I want someone directing my son towards to right causes to fight, for our freedoms and liberties and no treating him and his collegues as the casualties of oil money.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
McGreen, I am a Hillary supporter and I find your “bimbo” remarks about Hillary to be very disrespectful. However, it shows me how sexist a lot of the Obama supporters are which reflects on Obama. Given all of this I am so turned off by Obama I will either vote in protest for McCain or just sit it out. I will never vote for Obama he is not a uniter he is a divider.
Posted by: Erin | August 24, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
James,
There is no way we can “drill” our country into oil sufficiency. There simply aren’t enough oil deposits available. We should have learned from the 70′s, but we didn’t. In addition, much of the oil being drilled in the US right now is being shipped out to other countries. How is drilling more going to help us if the oil companies aren’t going to leave it here for our use????We need changes in what the oil companies are allowed to do. And even though Obama doesn’t want more nuclear reactors, our country needs them. France’s nuclear reactors are safe, efficient, and have reduced France’s need for foreign oil. We may have a lot of coal, but it is too damaging to the environment. Until we can come up with a more efficient and cheaper scrubber system for our coal burners we can reduce our need for oil by building the French=type nuclear power plants.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
There were 2 bills for GI’s at the time and McCain supported the second bill which had different language than the first though they were basically trying to do the same thing. Obama is not the one took up the mantle for troops. Many other legislators have been actively involved with upgrading the health care and benefits.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Obama says he wants to change Washington and be rid of the same old politcs that have been plaguing this country for the last few decades–thus why he wouldn’t consider Hillary. She’s too much of an old pro. So my question is why did he choose a Senator for his running mate who has been in office for over 35 years (since the Nixon years)if he’s for changing the status quo? That sure doesn’t sound like change to me!!
Posted by: My Two Cents | August 24, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
“McGreen, I am a Hillary supporter and I find your “bimbo” remarks about Hillary to be very disrespectful. However, it shows me how sexist a lot of the Obama supporters are which reflects on Obama. Given all of this I am so turned off by Obama I will either vote in protest for McCain or just sit it out. I will never vote for Obama he is not a uniter he is a divider.”
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Whatever Erin, and when McCain appoints two additional conservative justices and Roe is overturned, let us know how that worked out for you. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
Posted by: ChrisNBama | August 24, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Erin and other Hillary die-hards: So when McCain was asked during the primaries “How do we beat the ***?” referring to Hillary and his response was “That’s an excellent question!” – you like this man and consider him more respectful to women? Never mind the vile word he called his own wife or even his horrific legislative track-record on women’s issues.
Posted by: Jennifer | August 24, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Champ.
OIL MONEY? WHERE IS OUR OIL??
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Why is China drilling off the coast of Cuba if there isn’t that much oil there? It would appear that if they can drill there, we would be foolish to stand by and let them tap into whatever reserves exist there. Drill here, drill now, but make sure that the oil stays here. Instead of sending all that money to countries who try to undermine us, we would strengthen our own economy.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
God, I can’t wait until the conventions are over and Hillary goes back to the Senate and the world goes on without the Clintons. Sheesh!
Posted by: ChrisNBama | August 24, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
What I would love to see….
is Hillary jump parties and become
McCain’s Vice President…..
THAT would serve the Hillary haters one swift kick in the booty….. and an absolutely winning ticket for the Repubs!
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
I thought that only Republicans played the fear card. Roe vs Wade has become the new Democratic fear card. Women have many more options than they did when the the ruling was before the courts.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Champ.
Future crises should be no problem – Obama will defer to UN – problem solved, then we will all be safe!!
Posted by: Jimbo | August 24, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Champ,
I already know McCain will be bad for the country. As I said previously there is no way I will vote for him. However I simply cannot stand by and watch people slam someone for what they did or didn’t do in Nam. Unless you lived it no one can know what it was like. For anyone to condemn someone for what he said while a POW is intolerable. McCain used to be someone I respected before he lost to Bush in 2000 and decided in order to get elected he had to become Bush. Even though I don’t like Obama much I know he will be better than McCain.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Forget about running devious ads on TV. What is the case with McCain adviser being a lobbyist for Georgia? If true, McCain is indirectly responsible for egging Georgia on to a confrontational posture towards Russia. Is that not irresponsible given our troop commitment in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Posted by: worldsam | August 24, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
I don’t know where you got you education from but you certainly don’t the difference between a black man and a bi-racial man which is what Barack is. And your not the first one. The medial calls him black too. I didn’t know that these highly educated people were so dumb. Obama didn’t pick Hillary because she would overshadow him and he wants to be the Messiah as he’s called. Hillary is ten times smarter than he ever will be and he graduated from Harvard. Give me a break. He’s lucky to be a senator plus he’s doesn’t know one thing about politics. He says whatever comes into his head which is nothing.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | August 24, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
I never realized how the posters in this blog loved Hillary so much that they have to vote for McCain. Sound genuine to me. Psych.
Posted by: doug | August 24, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Berating a superior officer on the net – BRILLIANT!!
Posted by: Temagami | August 24, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
When I read someone say something as ridiculous as that McCain egged Georgia on in an effort to gain political points against his opponent, I know that the Kool-aid drinkers have arrived and all intelligent discussion is about to morph into name-calling and campaign rhetoric out of the blogging attack machine. Time to go.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Debbie-” Women have many more options than they did when the the ruling was before the courts.”
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Please tell us what you know. McCain opposed family planning legislation covering birth control. Viagra, however, is covered.
Posted by: Jennifer | August 24, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Jimbo: I think your wrong. Obama will not be solving the problems that’s why he picked Biden. Biden will run the country behind the scenes and Obama will be president in name only. And all the highly educated school students as the news media calls them even though thousands have to drop out, should know just what Obama’s angle is. Then the people will think Obama is so smart.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | August 24, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
” He says whatever comes into his head which is nothing.”——–Looks like you’ve taken that play right out of his play book, Mariann…..
Posted by: SearamblerOne | August 24, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
sara, You are wrong. There is clean coal technology which is very environmentally friendly. According to the Rand Corporation there is 400 years of oil available from oil shale in the Green River Formation. Rand “the United States in the Green River Formation, which covers portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming. Estimates of the oil resource in place within the Green River Formation range from 1.2 to 1.8 trillion barrels. Not all resources in place are recoverable; however, even a moderate estimate of 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil from oil shale in the Green River Formation is three times greater than the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia. Present U.S. demand for petroleum products is about 20 million barrels per day. If oil shale could be used to meet a quarter of that demand, the estimated 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil from the Green River Formation would last for more than 400 years1.”
As to oil from off shore, in Federal Land and in Anwar, oil engineers estimate there is probably 40 to 80 years worth of oil from those sources.
So if you ad up all these sources of oil, the US has over 400 years of oil available to us. The reasons for not going after all this oil is just plain stupid in my opinion. The more oil we have here the less subject we are to being held hostage by the oil producing Nations who are not our friends. As to oil here going somewhere else, by producing more oil here the US would once again be a world power which would increase the value of our dollar, lower our deficit and provide more money here to create more jobs and power up our economy.
Posted by: james | August 24, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Debbie what other options do women have now if faced with an unwanted pregnancy.
Posted by: d | August 24, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Jennifer, you need to speak with your family and/or your doctor and they can help you to understand the other
options available to women. Even visiting webmd or mayo can help you to understand.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Thank you Jennifer!!!! Those points I too tried to make but somehow they got lost in translation. How is a spiteful vote for McCain, and positive vote for women? How is writing in Clinton and win for women, when Hillary isn’t even supporting the idea? McCain doesn’t like women, look at his record. He laughed when that questioned was asked and he calls Hillary a “friend”. He should have corrected that quick by saying “first off she’s a friend, a US Senator and historic figure in the campaign and I do not agree with your characterization of her.” then ignored the person. That’s how you make it plain that you won’t go for women bashing. Like when folks speak out against McCain, Obama stops them and credits his service to America, then may attack is views or judgement, but never the man or his patriotism. That’s why the GOP is running wild questioning Obama as a man, a christian, an American and a viable candidate because McCain doesn’t insure they stick to policy issues. He’s not defender of those with little or no voice and will not stand up for what is right. Character is what you do when noone is looking. We should not be seeing these type of personal attacks. Clintonites say Obama and the press treated Clinton bad, look at how the GOP treated her. Look at how they portrayed her during her husband’s administration.
Posted by: CHAMP STANFORD | August 24, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
If you think about it John McCain plan for forty-five new nuclear power plants is reasonable, needed and attainable. Our current 108 nuclear power plants supply twenty (20) percent of our electricity requirements. This is amazing considering that it has been thirty years since there has been new construction on new nuclear power plants anywhere in the United States. Construction on new nuclear power plants has occurred throughout the world but not in the United States thanks to Democratic leadership. In France, nuclear power supplies 80 percent of their electricity needs. Because 108 nuclear power plants are generating twenty percent of our needs, an additional 45 nuclear power plants will only increase the percentage of nuclear power to roughly 28 percent of our needs well short of French eighty percent nuclear power generation of electricity. John McCain proposals are reasonable and will help lead us to energy independence. Democrats under the leadership of Barack Obama want to study the issue for another 30 years. By that time the only remaining United States builder of nuclear power plants General Electric will have gone the way of Westinghouse and sold its nuclear construction division to a foreign owned company Toshiba Corporation of Japan. Given the Democratic led hostile business environment for nuclear power in the United States, we will have no United States owned companies capable of building nuclear power plants.
The reality is that a few nuclear power plants will have a greater contribution to our energy independence than all the contributions of solar, wind, and thermal energy. Only the proposals of John McCain on nuclear power, offshore drilling, wind, and solar energy will make the idea of United States energy independence a reality.
Posted by: politicsandtraditions | August 24, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
ChrisNBama, It is very doubtful that Roe vs Wade will be overturned even if two conservative justices are appointed by McCain. But even if Roe vs Wade is overturned it will go back to the States and the only State that may impose any serious restrictions on abortion would be Utah. So stop with the fear tactics.
Posted by: Heather | August 24, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
If McCain picks Romney or a former competitor, I don’t think the Obama campaign would attempt to smear him by using Romney’s competitive stances against him. I think there will be a backlash in using Hillary Clinton as an attack medium, but it won’t be in a similar smear. It may very well happen with a significant chunk of undecided women who don’t like how their former candidate is being used, and who recognize that they’re being played for dumb in a very mean spirited way.
Posted by: kat | August 24, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
One thing about the Republicans they ALWAYS rally behind their nominee–NO MATTER WHAT.
We are one day away from the start of the Democratic convention and people are still upset about Hillary’s loss. Hillary was disrepectful and ungracious to Obama from day one. Her supporters are upset because he didn’t pick her as VP– upset because he didn’t consult her on his pick. Her supporters are upset because he hasn’t paid off all of her debt. Call it reciprocity. Who died and made Hillary God? No where on this planet should anyone ever think someone is going to treat you fairly if you have tried to disgrace them and paint them as unpatriotic. We all read Penn’s horrible email trail on the Hillary campaign mindset vs. Obama.
We have had to endure months of Hill’s supporters saying they are not going to support Barry. One man, one vote. We have all the right to vote for whom we want to. So go ahead and cast your lot for McCain;that is your right.
Who really cares at this point? The election map is shifting and Obama with Biden’s blue collar beginnings will do just fine without you.
Stop whinning, this is not a group therapy session– it’s election season–stand firm with your decision and vote.
Posted by: clarity | August 24, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
How does the Democratic leadership under Barack Obama expect new sources to electricity to power all the new hybrid and electric cars that will be coming on line. If it is wind or solar they have to be joking because the wind does not blow all the time. The new sources of additional electricity to charge up all these cars will have to come from nuclear energy.
Why is there such an ingrained irrational paranoia about nuclear energy and waste disposal among some Americans especially the Democratic leadership under Barack Obama.
Importantly also why is it somehow okay for hundreds of thousands of Navy sailors to have served for nearly thirty-five years aboard nuclear power American aircraft carriers and nuclear powered submarines and air force personnel to handle nuclear bombs but Democratic leadership under Barack Obama will not consider to even remotely assume any risks involved with nuclear power. Is it okay for our servicemen to be exposed to alleged risks but not the Democratic leadership who oppose nuclear power. This paranoia is particular evident with the Democrats acceptance of risks that are associated with other aspects of modern American living. Forty thousand people die every year in the United States in auto accidents but there is no outcry to ban all automobiles in the United States. Bridges have collapsed recently in Minnesota and tunnels ceilings in Boston have fallen but there is no consensus on eliminating bridges or tunnels. There have been airplane crashes that have also involved injuries on the ground but there is no outcry to ban air travel. There have been repeated rail and ship accidents but no outcry to ban railroads or ship travel. The irrational fear involving nuclear power and waste disposal has no justification. American people undergo multiple medical and dental xrays and CT scans yearly and have no fear. TSA airport screeners and medical staff work daily around xray equipment, fluoroscopes, and CT machines and do not experience adverse health consequences as a result of their work exposure. There were no documented adverse health events associated with the Three Mile Island release of minor radiation in the 1970s and no payments for health losses were ever made involving lawsuits related to that accident. The containment vessel held at Three Mile Island. In light of most Americans acceptance of risks associated with automobiles, trains, planes, and ships, the fear on the part of the Democratic leadership of nuclear power can not be viewed as rational. John McCain’s proposals to build 45 new nuclear power plants along with his other energy proposals on conservation and renewable energy will help America achieve relative energy independence in the near term and long term.
Posted by: politicsandtraditions | August 24, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Heather has a crystal ball and can now predict what will happen if Roe v Wade is overturned. Oh really….
Posted by: oo | August 24, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
If there was a a requirement that in order to retain citizenship in the USA, one MUST start and maintain a business -THE DEMOCRAT PARTY WOULD SOON DISAPPEAR. WHY? WHEN ONE ENTERS THE REAL WORLD ONE CATCHES ON – REAL FAST!!!
Posted by: Temagami | August 24, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Thanks John, but we Hillary Democrats are thrilled Hillary is not part of this sorry ticket. Remember, BO was voting present just 4 years ago in the Illinois state legislature. Who would want to jeapardize their political careers and be associated with this ticket of no experience, no record of accomplishment, and seemingly lacking the trust of mainstream Americans. Hillary ought to be encouraged to form the “dream” ticket of Hillary and Michael Bloomberg.
Posted by: benvictor | August 24, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Ex Dem: You are absolutely right, the democrats have lost leadership because look who became the nominee. A candidate that doesn’t know one thing about politics or foreign policy and has to use others speeches for the platform. I thought Harvard graduates were much smarter than that. I sure would like to see his grades. Obama selected Biden because he has a big mouth and knows how to use it which got him in trouble one time. PUMA is an organization that is anti-obama and would like to block him from the nomination. There is only one way and that is for the all the superdelegates cast their vote for Hillary. This has been done before because I read it on the internet. The nominee lost and the other candidate won. No one knows what is going to happen at the convention. However, Hillary should not have endorsed him, supported him only. I believe his text message at 3a.m. was an injustice to Hillary Clinton, but that’s the way of Obama. He is an underhanded dog.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | August 24, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Maybe McCain will pick Hillary, they both supported the Iraq war…
Posted by: Judgement | August 24, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Politics.
It is folly to use rationl arguments for the production of energy here.
Posted by: Temagami | August 24, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Maybe McCain will pick Hillary, they both supported the Iraq war…
Posted by: Judgement | Aug 24, 2008 4:19:15 PM
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So did Biden…..
So did most of Congress….
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
you can read the lawsuit filed against obama on the internet………
Posted by: DemocratNoMore2 | August 24, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
clarity, Once the blue collar workers find out abut what Obama thinks about the American blue collar work force who built the US infrastructure, no self respecting blue collar worker will vote for him. Obama: “Everybody’s watching what’s going on in Beijing right now with the Olympics , Think about the amount of money that China has spent on infrastructure. Their ports, their train systems, their airports are vastly the superior to us now, which means if you are a corporation deciding where to do business, you’re starting to think, ‘Beijing looks like a pretty good option.’”
Looks like Obama is saying he wants the same conditions of low paid labor and lack of pollution controls in Beijing and throughout China that built these structures in the US. Further, many of the structures outside the Olympics zone remains shoddy.
Is this what Obama wants for the American blue collar worker? I guess so and once blue collar workers hear about this, they will be voting for McCain.
Posted by: tim | August 24, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Well, Judgement, Biden was a big suppporter of the war and as of last year still was all for removing Saddam.
He also was dead wrong about Petraeus and the surge.
So Obiden have a lot in common.
Posted by: drjohn | August 24, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Now the Republicans want to run the Democratic Party too! They really think they rule the world, don’t they? Come November, they will have another thought coming!!!
Posted by: Karen | August 24, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
James,
The clean coal technology that is available is too expensive for the coal plants to use at this time. That is why there are no new coal plants being built with this clean coal technology. Every currently operating plant gets a special permit to “add-on” to their current plants so they can bypass the new restrictions because they claim they will go broke if they have to use the new scrubber systems. Whether they will go broke or not doesn’t seem to matter, they simply have to claim they will and Bush’s EPA allows them their special use permits. As far as the shale oil technology, it too isn’t at the point where it is financially viable. Even with oil over $130 a barrel prospecting for oil shale is not something the oil companies wish to pursue at this time. I don’t know where you are getting your oil figures, but the oilfields in Anwar are projected to hld less than 6 months worth of oil reserves for the US. It makes no sense to drill in that area for only 6 months worth of oil.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
John, your current handlers might not have been around earlier this year when you and Mitt had your daily catfights but you may want to tell them that there is ammunition a plenty to use against you and your newly minted conservative pal.
Posted by: TSnow27604 | August 24, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Sara.
ANWAR WILL ONLY PRODUCE SIX MONTHS OF OUR OIL NEEDS?? WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET THAT FROM – THE HUFFINGTON POST? SOURCE?????
Posted by: Temagami | August 24, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
SeaRambler: I don’t know what his playbook is and does he know how to read it. If he can’t form the words for his speech then there is something wrong, plus he hesitates when trying to answer a question. He failed on the forum interview and has failed on many debates. I think Biden should be the president and Obama should be the VP because there is a big difference between the both of them. However, no doubt Biden will be advising Obama what to say and what not to say and Obama will be the president in name only. That’s how smart he is.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | August 24, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Hmmmm. I find it interesting that the great actor Ronald Reagan had smart people running his presidency. In fact, they never even bothered to wake him up at 3:00 am in the morning if there was a crisis. These people that he hired, and the citizens of the US never voted for took care of whatever came up.
Yet if Obama hires “smart people” he is not competent to be president. It truly is amazing how things are different from one person to another.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
McCain has to put sound pieces together to win the white house because he has nothing else. He need to stop playing silly games with tv ads and get back to the issues, if he can remember what they are.
Posted by: jg5012 | August 24, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Sara.
I HONESTLY would like to know in what area(s) Obama would make a better president than McCain and WHY?
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
sara, You are wrong. With the price of oil at 130 a barrel Shell is proposing to go ahead with producing oil from oil shale in the green river formation and you guessed it the Democrats are blocking it. As to clean coal technology, wrong again ,according to Technology review: “Some energy-policy analysts say that technology development and changing priorities have simply made FutureGen obsolete. In fact, they say that the DOE’s plans to instead finance carbon-capture equipment at commercial power plants could actually accelerate the implementation of the clean-coal vision that FutureGen once represented. “The fact that the [FutureGen] project was cancelled reflects budgetary issues more than a lack of confidence in the technology,” says Alex Klein, a senior analyst tracking developments in power generation for the consultancy Emerging Energy Research, based in Cambridge, MA. “If the government does, in fact, concentrate its efforts on capture and sequestration, it will be just as significant a development for the industry as if FutureGen went forward.”
Posted by: james | August 24, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
From strictly a personal standpoint I can understand why Obama did not pick Hilary – obvious. But from a political standpoint, I think that it was a big mistake in NOT picking her. An OH Repub.
Posted by: Jimbo | August 24, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Obama is fond of saying that McCain doesn’t have the judgment to be president because of his Iraq war vote.
Biden voted for the war in Iraq too.
Obama chose Biden as his VP, so what does it say about Obama’s judgment?
Posted by: Peach | August 24, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Obama supporters -why didn’t you vote for Biden in the primaries if he is so great? well, since Biden quit after Iowa let me ask why did he get only 1% in Ioaw. Biden has been a Senator for over 35 years. Answer -Biden is a stiff.
He sucks. A weak pick by Obama.
Posted by: geevill | August 24, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
At the current rate of oil consumption of the US ANWR can only produce 6 months worth of oil. The following articles can explain where this comes from. Of course it is dependent upon how much the US oil consumption per day rate increases or decreases upon availability.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Peach, Hillary voted for the war as well…..so what. Are you questioning her judgement. Are you saying you can’t have a vp with a different opinion. Why would Obama want someone who thinks the same way as him. It’s good to get a different perspective.
Posted by: erin | August 24, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Sara: Didn’t you hear Biden himself say in a debate that Obama wasn’t ready to be president? And he stands by that claim which he stated now. Which means that he will be running the show while Obama is president in name only. Obama is no match for Biden, Hillary, McCain or even Bush. Biden already knows that he doesn’t have the knowledge of foreign policy or politics. Wake up. Obama was in the race to make history like MLK. He read so many books on him it went to his brain that he could do the same. Obama can never match MLK. Obama needs all the help he can get that’s why so many people are speaking at the convention.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | August 24, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
McCain has to put sound pieces together to win the white house because he has nothing else. He need to stop playing silly games with tv ads and get back to the issues, if he can remember what they are.
Posted by: jg5012 | August 24, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Many got Obama’s number now, and for the rest of them to be fooled Obama has to avoid debates and hope enough people don’t watch the four debates scheduled.
Clinton beats Obama on issues, merits and character.
Posted by: sylvia johnsen | August 24, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
James,
If FutureGen is reestablished I might agree with you. Until such time I simply can’t agree with Tech Review.
And Shell’s supposed steps to work shale oil are a nice bait and switch. The talk is cheap. Back in the 70′s Shell also talked about shale oil, but decided that the current price of oil was not going to last and shelved plans for pursuit. The major oil companies have again decided that the current price of oil is not going to last so for them to invest the amount of money necessary to actually recover usable oil from shale is not a wise investment at this time. However it is politically more sound for them to blame the Democrats than their own greed.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Obama only agreed to 3, the fewer the better for the bumblilng one.
Posted by: Debra | August 24, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
If I was a Hillary supporter I would be furious. The DNC just gave full voting rights to Michigan and Florida. Howard Dean knew they would have to do this for the convention. If they didn’t screw up the primaries in the first place, Hillary would of won the nomination instead of Obama. Most of her so called super delegate supporters left he flat near the end of the primaries. This would of never happened if the DNC would of had their party rules in order. Hillary was a victim of sabotage from her own party!!
Posted by: Pee Vee, Long Island | August 24, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Sara.
Did you actually READ AND STUDY the Dept of Interior analysis of projected ANWR oil production??? I didn’t think so. LOOKS REAL GOOD TO ME!! SIX MONTHS SUPPLY?? WHERE, WHERE DOES IT MENTION THAT? WHAT SECTION AND PARAGRAPH???
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Maryann,
I was a Hillary supporter from the minute she worked on healthcare in Bill’s presidency. However, she lost. She failed to plan for a full primary run. The people she picked to run her campaign failed her. Obama’s didn’t. As much as I wish Obama would have selected her as his running mate, there was no way it was going to happen. Bill did her in as much as the people she selected. Personally I don’t like Obama, but I don’t trust McCain. His maverick days ended in 2000 when he lost to Bush. He took the “no tax” pledge to win over conservatives. He has changed his stance on almost every issue just to win over more conservatives. I wouldn’t vote for McCain if he was running unopposed. We already have enough conservatives on the Supreme Court. They already delivered one election to the Republicans. I don’t wish to see them deliver the entire country so I will be voting for Obama. Not very happily, not very eagerly. But I will vote for Obama.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Manitu,
Look at the projected total number of barrels of oil over the period of time that will be produced. Add them up. Then look at the number of barrels of oil consumed in the US per day. Add that up. When you compare the total number of barrels expected out of ANWR to the number of barrels consumed daily in the US you will find that the amount of expected oil in ANWR works out to 6 months worth of oil.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Beckie, I know. I think Obama is damned if he does damned if he doesn’t. If he picked someone like Kaine who is outside of Washington, people would complain that he didn’t have experience. So he picks Biden who has foreign policy experience but has been in Washington for over 30 years. So it really doesn’t matter who he chose someone would complain. It was a no win situation.
Posted by: erin | August 24, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Sara, The proposal from Shell to go forward with the production of oil from oil shale was blocked by the Democrats. It is on the record. So put the blame where it belongs, on the Democrats.
Posted by: james | August 24, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Hey Pepitone,
Bush was a “C” student @ a “prestigious ivy league school… Hmmmmm. Cant do WORSE than Bush. I mean really… “strategery”. Ha
Posted by: BIPARTISAN SEEr | August 24, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
It’s nice that the GOP is looking out for Hillary. Because you know they have nothing but love for Hillary and all of her supporters.
It’s like getting a Valentine Card from the guy who groped you on the subway.
Posted by: blip | August 24, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Sara.
Ditto on Dave Peck.
Posted by: Manitu | August 24, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Hey Guys,
NONE of our votes MATTER. Get that on your minds. Over throw the man~over throw the system!!
Posted by: BIPARTISAN SEEr | August 24, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
What has the Democratic congress done to improve the lives of the American people since they have had the majority? Why should they get a rubber stamp with Obama when they didn’t even care enough to fight with Bush or try to compromise for an override? Pelosi and Reid have failed to lead their respective bodies to enact any legislation of consequence. They want to spend our taxpayer dollars on impeaching a man who only has 6 months to go anyway. Why didn’t they begin that 2 years ago when Barack started running for the presidency?
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
I have a great surprise for all the Hillary lovers up in here…
In 2009, Hillary is going to write up a socialized health care plan… Obama is going to sign it in to law…
And you are all going to live better lives because of it. And your kids will vote Democrat forever….
Posted by: Blip | August 24, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Blip:
“It’s nice that the GOP is looking out for Hillary. Because you know they have nothing but love for Hillary and all of her supporters.”
hmmmm..
Posted by: hmmm | August 24, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Hi all. I have a question to McCain supporters and voters and I am only trying to understand your reasoning. President Bush has a 28 percent if not lower approval rating. That means 70 percent are not happy with him. Why in the world would you vote for someone that has said he supports 95 percent of Bush policies? I cant believe McCain and his Bush like policies will do America any good and will only keep us on this downward spiral. Here is a canidate that has said he doesnt know much about the economy. That answers questions with short answers and doesnt explain his answers just like bush did and does. And on top of it all supports Bush policies and yet haldf of America is supporting him. Is half of America better off than 8 years ago? Is half of America that scared to try a new approach to a broken system that we have seen isnt working. Are the McCain neg ads working on you? I just do nor get it. I am pro life and yet it is just as important to me that the children alive today have a better future and a promise of tomorrow. McCain doesnt offer that. McCain cant even talk about what he is going to do and just talks down and slams Obama. I voted for Bush twice mostly because I am in the military. Master Chief with 29 years in. The last time the economy was great was the Dem Clinton years. I wont make the mistake again of voting for someone that makes his own agenda top priority and makes America and its citizens a second priority. So please tell me why? Is it because Obama is un heard of and has little experiance? Experiance isnt the end of all ends. Name the last great president? All the not so great presidents had experiance including our current one. Maybe we need someone in office that doesnt come to office with preconceived ideas and with shoot now and ask questions later attitude. Maybe we need someone that will listen and not just talk. Maybe someone that is more about business and finances than just military. He will surround himself with all the military experiance needed. The Generals on the ground, the Admirals and Captains that are on the ships and bases need to make decisions and know what is best. Do all the McCain supports think he is acually best for this country and our economy? Dont you know that elderly men are dead set in their ways, good or bad, and wont listen to reason but just will go on what they preconceive is the right move or decision. Thats too much power for one man.Look at Bush. He only tells the public half truths when he tells us anything. We elected him to represent us and yet he wont even be truthful with us and has brought this nation to a low that we, as a nation, are looked down by the rest of the world. We as a nation are depressed and broke. Our crime, education, borders, health care, FDA, FCC, energy dept, etc are suffering. Our military is sent into combat with broken equipment and unsafe equipment. Bush refused a recent military pay raise because he said we just dont need it. Im sure he doesnt need one nor McCain with a wife with 100 million in assets. Please tell me why you are supporting McCain and his like policies. Win me over. But do it without slamming Obama. Do it on McCains policies alone and how he will help fix this broken country.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
As I said earlier, it’s time for us to change blue states to red states by 3 am on election day. It can be done.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
This is “divide and conquer” strategy intended to inflame Hillary supporters and deflate confidence in the spirit of unity going in to the Democratic National Convention.
Posted by: Samantha | August 24, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
This country is in the shape it is because we the people have not held our elected officials accountable and we have not made our voices heard. We allowed the politicians to control everything and sat back and watched. It is now time to become involved. One man is not going to fix things. One speech is not going to fix things. There is no one solution. It is going to take someone with bi-partisan experience who understands the failings of government and rather than bemoan the problem, roll up their sleeves and get to it. It is very easy to point a finger a be a critic. what are you going to do to fix it. My problem with Obama is that for all his rhetoric he has done nothing outside of this Presidential run to address any of the issues that he claims to feel so strongly about. There is no history of change. There is no passion for issues that are now stump speeches.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Cw:
Many of us though Hillary was the best choice for our country.
Second best choice… is McCain!
Obama was and still remains an empty suit with a skinny resume and a big mouth.
And as he hsa said….. “words”.. are just empty “words”.
That’s not enough for my trust, or my vote.
Posted by: hmmm | August 24, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
John McCain has supported 100% of Bush policies. If you want to be at war with Iraq for the next 100 years, and love what is happening to the economy, and the environment and dont mind knowing thousands of Americans are unemployed and homeless, then vote for McCain and more of the same.
Posted by: Sarah McDonald | August 24, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Congress only has a 9% approval rating – why would you vote for 2 senators?
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
CW… not a McCain supporter… but I have the answer for you.
70 percent of people recognize Bush as a failure. This means 30% don’t… and these are your crazy Republicans.
But in that 70% is a small but significant chunk (say 13% of the overall pie) who know that Bush is a failure but they don’t really mind it. These are people who are either really rich and doing fine. Then you have Crazy communists and Christians hoping that another four years of Bush will bring on total class warfare or the second coming.
Altogether, it gets McCain like 43% of the vote.
Crazy… but how else can you explain it?
Posted by: blip | August 24, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
I just watch the ad and it is the weakess I seen yet from McShame. Why he can not talk about the issues of the economy is becasue Mcshame dosn’t know the economy is back owning 7 houses I can he know most American are suffer financially! If he win, which I don’t think he will, American people are in very deep do do!
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Don’t worry after the Dem Convention Joe Biden he going to hit McShame back hard with the keating 5!
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
This is “divide and conquer” strategy intended to inflame Hillary supporters and deflate confidence in the spirit of unity going in to the Democratic National Convention.
Posted by: Samantha———- I just want to agree. Thats all it is. McCain cant win on his own merit. He cant talk about how great the last 8 years have been great. He can only try to tear down the other side. To make oneself look good by tearing down and insulting someone else is what children do and what people that dont feel good about themselves do. If he wins (McCain) because the public fell for this type of campaining, we will be in for four more years of decline on all domestic fronts and possibly a world war. Mark my words.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
With all due respect, everyone involved is a millionaire living in million dollar homes and great health coverage. I am afraid that I see no distinction on this argument other than Barack and Michele have invested in other areas other than real estate – who knows maybe alternative energy like T. Boone Pickens and Nancy Pelosi.
Posted by: Debbie | August 24, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
: AlbertMike – That ad is so weak and it won’t work this time around. McShame have to come up with a better plan then these weak overly used ads.
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Jake – you forgot to post Hillary’s response to the ad.
Posted by: benintn | August 24, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
“Don’t worry after the Dem Convention Joe Biden he going to hit McShame back hard with the keating 5!”
______________
WHO is he going to hit?
All the Democrats who were found guilty?
Or McCain, who was vindicated .
Posted by: EGADS! | August 24, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
: Debbie aka Debra -I can not wait until Obama is the next President and then what will you have to say then!
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
gl:
Apparently you are unaware that McCain was found innocent of any misconduct whatsoever in the Keating 5 matter.
On the other hand, 3 Democrats were found to have committed gross misconduct.
The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[17][16] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising “poor judgment” when he met with the federal regulators on Keating’s behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him….Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.”[20]
Posted by: Peach | August 24, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Many of us though Hillary was the best choice for our country.
Second best choice… is McCain!
Obama was and still remains an empty suit with a skinny resume and a big mouth.
And as he hsa said….. “words”.. are just empty “words”.
That’s not enough for my trust, or my vote.
Posted by: hmmm———- So what you are saying is, and even though Clinton supports Obama and their policies and ideas are 95 percent the same, you think McCain, that is on the other side of the earth from Clinton and Obama is a better choice. What am I missing? If you supported Hillary and trusted her and thought she was best for this country. Then why when she supports Obama and is asking her supporters to do the same, are you now not listening to her and supporting a canidate that we know supports 95 percent of Bush policies. It doesnt add up to me. Is it because of the DNC decision? Do you thing voting for McCain will teach them some kind of lesson? You would acually be not only voting against your country but against Hillary by doing so. Do you know the good Clinton can do working in Obama’s cabinet? Or working with Obama on heath care and other issues? If McCain wins, she wont be in his cabinet nor will he reach out to her for help.
It just doesnt make since.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
I see the haters are getting smaller and smaller. I knew they would wake up after all and realize McSame is the wrong choice for President.
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Erin -
You don’t get it.
By choosing Biden, Obama can no longer claim with any credibility that McCain doesn’t have the judgment for the presidency because of his Iraq vote.
If he says it again, anyone with half a brain looks at Obama and says “Your Vice President, who you chose, voted the same way as McCain.”
But carry on pretending you don’t get it. Got to get those DNC talking points down.
Posted by: Peach | August 24, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
: Peach – So was Obama, but stop McShame and his supporters still beginning it up so why not do the same to McShame. I notice you guys like pointing fingers, but don’t like them pointing back at you guys. McShame ads are all lies strenght so far to the right.
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Go back and actually read up on the Keating 5 incident. While Cranstan, DeConcini, and Riegle were found to have actively interfered with the Lincoln Savings and Loan investigation, Glenn and MCCAIN were found to have exercised “poor judgement”. He actually met with the Federal Home Bank Board about Keating’s Lincoln S & L along with the other 4. All 5 of them should have been condemned by the Ethics Committee. How quickly everyone has forgotten about the S & L debacle.
Posted by: sara | August 24, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Apparently you are unaware that McCain was found innocent of any misconduct whatsoever in the Keating 5 matter.
On the other hand, 3 Democrats were found to have committed gross misconduct.
The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[17][16] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising “poor judgment” when he met with the federal regulators on Keating’s behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him….Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.”[20]
But he still was involved regardless and this will be an issue to use against McShame.
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
peach you idiot I do get it. But like I said he’s damned if he does damned if he doesn’t. So tell me, why are Hillary supporters so upset that Obama didn’t chose her as vp when she voted for the war. You guys can’t have it both ways.
Posted by: erin | August 24, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Divide and conquer isnt going to work. Not this time! In fact, record numbers of Republians and Independents have united with Democrats behind Senator Obama. Both Obama and Biden are well known for extraordinary ability for negotiating bipartisan legislation successfully.
Posted by: Samantha | August 24, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
MCCAIN were found to have exercised “poor judgement”. So why is McShame alot to have poor Judgement and not Obama? McShame made a bad judgement regarding the Iraq war and not setting a date. McShame my have more experience but he have very poor judgement. Joe Biden made a statement that he would take good judgement over experience which he was referred to Obama regarding good Judgement! We have the winning ticket! Like I say the Haters are being quit today which is a smart move. Can’t stand the heat get our the kitchen!
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
It was great watching C-Span this morning and Dean was on taking phone calls and disgruntled dems were calling in and a guy from the south reamed him and DNC for letting Clintons be accused of racism and biggotry. He asked why Dean didn’t step in and he said he probably should have. Dean turned red and started to stammer more and more…..Great TV….wish C-Span would show re-runs.
25% Hillary supporters voting McCain and 27% unsure…..that math is not pretty when starting with 18 million.
Posted by: Debra | August 24, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
gl…Debbie and Debra are two different bloggers.
LOVE HILLARY, LIKE BIDEN, HATE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT.
JOHN SYDNEY NEVER BARACK HUSSEIN
Posted by: Debra | August 24, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Clinton then McCain voters–So what you are saying is, and even though Clinton supports Obama and their policies and ideas are 95 percent the same, you think McCain, that is on the other side of the earth from Clinton and Obama is a better choice. What am I missing? If you supported Hillary and trusted her and thought she was best for this country. Then why when she supports Obama and is asking her supporters to do the same, are you now not listening to her and supporting a canidate that we know supports 95 percent of Bush policies. It doesnt add up to me. Is it because of the DNC decision? Do you thing voting for McCain will teach them some kind of lesson? You would acually be not only voting against your country but against Hillary by doing so. Do you know the good Clinton can do working in Obama’s cabinet? Or working with Obama on heath care and other issues? If McCain wins, she wont be in his cabinet nor will he reach out to her for help.
It just doesnt make since.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Anyone who would really vote for McCain and four more years of Bush policies to protest Hillary’s loss, will, in effect help to destroy our country completely.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Why can’t bots understand that many Hillary supporters put COUNTRY FIRST. We don’t have to toe the Dem line like Hill does (and this year, even she privately may pull the lever for McCain). When you see an inferior candidate you vote with your gut FOR THE TOP OF THE TICKET..who you trust to be CIC…and keep THIS country safe and prosperous.
Posted by: Debra | August 24, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
“Do you thing voting for McCain will teach them some kind of lesson?”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 24, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Clinton supperters jumping ship to McCain. I am trying my best to understand your position and way of thinking. You have said and do say Hillary was who you trust and who you believe to be best for the country. That means you trust her and her beliefs and decisions. So when she ask you to support the Dem party and Obama and you dont,does that mean you really dont trust her and trust her decisions?
Did you want her simple because she is a woman? Do you say you trust her and trust her decisions but really dont unless they fit your own agenda? McCain and Hillary are so far apart on policies and ideas as to what is best and Clinton and Obama are very close on their beliefs and policies. Yet you would choose McCain. It makes no since. So little since that it makes one wonder if you are just racist, self serving or sexist yourselves. At least with Obama in office Hillary will be a big part of Obama’s administration and if you put McCain in office she will have no say and wont be in a position of doing any good. Maybe it was all a gender thing and you only cared about that. That you dont and didnt care about her or her decisions.She is asking her delegates and supporters to be with her in supporting Obama but you are doing the exact oppisite. Makes me wonder what your agenda is and what you really think. Wish I understood.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Hillary is releasing her delegates if you all didn’t hear.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
The reasons they are reporting she is releasing her delegates has to do with the numbers dropping on her side because many of her supporters were switching already without her releasing them
as I had said a few days ago and you all as usual called me a liar…the usual…
but yes she is releasing them most likely due (as the AP is reporting) because it may be seen as an embarrassment for how far the numbers have dropped.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
“Both Obama and Biden are well known for extraordinary ability for negotiating bipartisan legislation successfully.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 24, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
May I remind you 18mil also voted for Obama. If the DNC had given clinton everything she wanted the outcome would have been the same. You are not teaching the DNC anything and are voting against your country. You are teaching a lot of us to run the next time a woman runs for president. You and voters like you are doing no one and this country no good.
You do not even care about what Clinton wants you to do.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Debra you think continuing the Bush economy is the best thing for our country and that’s why your voting for McCain. Wow!
Posted by: d | August 24, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Oh: is THAT what all that passport skullduggery was about, a while back?
Meanwhile, there’s a suit in federal court in Philadelphia, from former Pennsylvania Attorney General Philip Berg, challenging the constitutionality of Obama’s candidacy based on his having been born outside the US.
Most coverage of this item of obvious Democratic interest, however, is in RIGHT-wing sources, so far. (If the “Democrats” do more to chill commentary, hide information, and publicize outright lies, and the “right” does more to facilitate open communication, why should ANYbody vote “Democratic”?)
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 24, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
dl>
If Clinton is truly releasing her delegates then that’s all the more reason for many of us to vote for McCain this time…
Eespecialy since you in particular.. and other Obama supporters… have promised that should Obama not win…. there would be repercussions on Clinton’s political future!
I, for one, HATE threats.. and usually respond negatively to them!
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
I can only tell you why I will not vote for Obama. I am a Hillary supporter that has voted for Democrats my whole life.
My first concern about Obama way back in the primaries was his arrogance. It was tolerable but I didn’t like it especially since we already had to deal with an arrogant president for 8 years.
Then the Rev Wright story broke and all of Obama’s lame excuses made me not trust his judgement.
And then one story after another about Obama proved to be true.
The self-serving Berlin speech, the opposum seal and the final straw was that flippant, insensitive comment about a baby’s rights–it’s above my pay grade”.
I cannot stand Obama. I don’t trust him at all. And I am totally disgusted with Dean and Pelosi too.
I consider myself an independent now.
That’s why I am voting for McCain.
Posted by: cindy in nc | August 24, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
“May I remind you 18mil also voted for Obama.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 24, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
the best side of America will be voting for Obama and Biden in November.
The bad guys (black scheunneman, rove, gramm,etc)
…gotta go.
and this whole new thing with Cheney and the oil companies involved in this Alaska fiasco…
you know the same people trying to fool America into the oil companies platform…the same one that Mccain is pushing.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Well I am sure we all want what is best for the US and Im sure we all have sone different ideas on who can fix this mess.
The good news, and it may be close, is Obama/Biden will be elected and we may have a brighter future. If not then we will get what we deserve. Life will go on either way and in four years we can do it all over again. I hope and pray that whoever is elected, its the right decision. Obama 08
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
With all my heart I wish that I could vote for Obama with a clear mind. He simply is not the most qualified candidate. I am disturbed by how much he sounds like George Bush in 2000. I just can not find or see the substance. Our country is in deep trouble. Neither Obama or McCain seem like the answer. God Bless America
Posted by: cj | August 24, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
“I cannot stand Obama. I don’t trust him at all. And I am totally disgusted with Dean and Pelosi too.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 24, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
eyes wide open
it’s not a threat…it’s reality…
and part of the reason she is releasing her delegates I am sure.
Go look at her numbers, the facts that your comments are what has hurt Hillary and all the issues she has fought for…
I plead for you to wake up. Hillary needs to be in the Senate and or sec of state or so many things she can do…
and PUMA and their emotional clouding is hurting women… is hurting healthcare…our soldiers…our environment…education…the middle class…
all because a few people can’t get by that they did not get what they want.
go vote for Mccain… and be proud of it now…because down the road…don’t think you’ll be so proud.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
cindy what about his policies. Do you feel we are better off now than we were 8 years ago. Do you think the economy is good. You’re voting out of emotion.
Posted by: d | August 24, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
cj
do you hear what Mccain is promising…
and what he has NO PLANS for.
and that his policies are being built by the guys who built the GW Bush administration that you think Obama sounds so much like …oy.
Read Obama’s platforms. They are not 30 second soundbites…
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
” So tell me, why are Hillary supporters so upset that Obama didn’t chose her as vp when she voted for the war. You guys can’t have it both ways.”
Posted by: erin | Aug 24, 2008 6:06:48 PM
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Biden voted for the war, too.
Hillary’s state was bombed on 9/11!
The majority of our GOVERNMENT voted for the war… based on the input they were given and the bombings they had just experienced.
If B O had been given this information, and were empowered to vote at that time, he might have even have voted for it… or at least he might have voted “present”.
As for being disappointed about Hillary not being his VP and having to clean up after him…. I’m not in the least disappointed..
I’m ecstataic for her….. because one way or another, Obama is going to tank.
Just DO NOT THREATEN Hillary’s future just because he does!
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
“Life will go on either way and in four years we can do it all over again.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 24, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
It’s been a well known thing that Hillary has been known as divisive, and now I see why. If she runs in 2012 I’m not sure she will be able to win because of all the drama surrounding her now. There will be millions of people who will vote against her to spit all of these Hillary supporters who plan to vote against Obama for McCain.
Posted by: Jack | August 24, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
dl>
If Clinton is truly releasing her delegates then that’s all the more reason for many of us to vote for McCain this time…
Eespecialy since you in particular.. and other Obama supporters… have promised that should Obama not win…. there would be repercussions on Clinton’s political future!
I, for one, HATE threats.. and usually respond negatively to them!———Then go vote for McCain. That will show everybody!! If Clinton’s future is damaged it isnt by her hand but by yours and the few like you. I will say, that the republican party deserves people like you that vote on emotions. Since thats how they campaine. On fear and negitivity, you will be welcome to their floc of sheep. You talk about threats. You and the few Clinton supporters that are and have been threatening this and that if Hillary doesnt win are the only ones threatening. Well go vote for McSame. Who cares. I dont. Tired of hearing your crying.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
That’s not at ALL clear. The economy has fallen apart for many, for some of whom life will NOT go on for another four years — if only because of lack of nutrition and meaningful health care.
There are a million people HOMELESS in the STREETS of this supposedly-wunnerful country, hundreds of thousands of displaced vets who are a danger to themselves and/or others, cities full of the unmentioned underclasses. There are bank robberies going on in perfectly “peaceful” small towns, people shot down by the dozens in Chicago almost every day, restaurant invasion robberies in Oakland every single night.
It’ll blow sooner or later. Hopefully it’ll blow on the candidates, of both parties, who can barely mention the “middle class”, let alone the poor, because they are so corrupted and distracted by the endless privilege of politicians.
Posted by: Belle Starr——— Very good point and I agree. Thats why Obama has my vote. Hes not perfect but he is the best chance we have. McCain would just be continuing our current road to destruction.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
cw:
Speaking of “flock of sheep”…..
;-)
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
How come 9 out of 10 of Clinton supporters that are now going to McCain are woman? Yet they say its not about gender. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it must be a duck.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
cw
it’s not a threat…go look at her numbers.
I am not threatening… this ad and voices like yours are hurting her.
Voices threatening to vote for McCain because they did not get what they want.
(and that is the true threat on this blog not what i wrote)
I wrote facts…the fact is Hillary did not win by a large enough margin in NY to keep her seat if she gets even partly blamed…
I don’t live in NY so I have nothing to do with it.
I am calling for morons who don’t see that to realize that.
Threats of voting for mcCain …against what hillary fought for…the issues you all supposedly believed in… leave a bad taste in the mouths of everyone else.
Not me…not me threatening…go look at numbers…for freakin once.
If she loses 20% of her support in NY (which if she looks partly to blame for obama’s loss right or wrong)
she loses.
duh.
I am asking people to wake up.
and not be emotional and imagine threats …or interpret threats out of illogical emotion so that Hillary will be able to run in 2012…and maybe then it will be her time when she gets further away from Bill and the legacy of Mark penn.
my dream is that she will be Secretary of State because this team would be unbeleivable for our country.
but please …don’t accuse me of threats I didn’t make… don’t get all emotional and verbally shoot the messenger…
that may be why people got a bad feeling about the campaign…logic first…not emotion.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
CW – How come 9 out of 10 of Clinton supporters that are now going to McCain are woman? Yet they say its not about gender. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it must be a duck
I was thinking the same thing. Most of the still angry Clintong supporters are whining women that are willing to cut of their nose to spice their face.
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
John McCain is NOT Jack Nicholson.
I know Hillary, as a loyal Dem, would never run as a third-party candidate, but I can dream, can’t I?
Posted by: Ann Z | August 24, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Its amazing that EVERYONE seems to forget that the economy has tanked, oil prices skyrocketed, the housing crisis ALL HAPPENED DURING A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!!!!!!! Remember when the mortgage industry and housing was just OFF THE CHARTS for the first time in history, gas prices were relatively steady, and the economy was robust…guess what folks…a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND PRESIDENT were at the helm…with regards to the war, geez…anyone have ANY history lessons that they have learned??? War is UGLY. No one said anything when we went into WWII for years and over 50,000 people died. That was an act of terrorism! I am a military wife and people, let me tell you…REGARDLESS of what you think, when you badmouth the war, president, congress etc., you are demeaning our brave men and women who VOLUNTEER to defend the good people of the United States.
Posted by: AM | August 24, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
dl – Hillliary is done and their will be no hilliary in 2012 blacks will not vote for her simple as that. Her base support was suppose to be white females and she lose becasue she needs more then just white females to win any race. If she couldn’t pull it off in 2008 and dam sure will not be able to do it in 2012. It won’t happen!
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
CW
I hate illogically emotional angry statements that have absolutely left the world of reality…
I threatened nothing…and you get all freakin emotional.
You are hurting Hillary’s numbers in NY.
Period…that is not a threat. IT’s the truth.
I don’t mean to insult anyone…but
God when are people going to get a mature bone in their body and realize this is all about emotional spite and self centered anger…like a child.
Cut your noses off to spite your faces.
It’s both sad and ridiculous at the same time.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
gl
Hillary has a chance to run in 2016…that’s what I meant to say.
but it is all how her supporters play this out.
That IS NOT a THREAT it is reality.
and we are about to waste a woman who could accomplish so much for this country…all because a few self-centered individuals put their own righteous anger ahead of the people and issues that this election is about.
Biden’s not going to run in 2016…and maybe then it will be Hillary’s time (personally I think she needs to get away from Bill for a number of reasons)
and in the interim if she was on the cabinet or in the senate..
btu if people can’t see the toll that all these comments supposedly for her are taking ON HER…
you all need to turn on your televisions.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
dl ——— Not sure how we got crossed but I am on your page and agree. She would make a great cabinet member and can be in a great position to do great good. But only if Obama is elected. Then in 2012 we will see what happens. If the Clinton supporters jump tp McCain, then she wont be in a position to do hardly any good. I think we are thinking the same way?
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
: Belle Starr – Get you fact straight the Repbul are one fo the biggest coruption and history!
Posted by: gl | August 24, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
and gl
I am an Obama supporter from early on…(Hillary at first but I volunteered for both of them…and Biden after I saw ALL the candidates speak then as time went on I settled on barack after hearing them all NUMEROUS times)…
what we need now is to not shoot the issues in the head…
Hillary WOULD have a chance to run again…but she can not be blamed (right or wrong)
and that is what I am trying to tell people.
and yes…I think she could have a good shot…especially if she had a significant role.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
cw:
Yeah! Obama did a great job in Illinois!
The low rent housing development begun under his senatorship almost nine years ago.. still has not been completed.
And as for other accomplishments, there were none until his final year whe Emil Jones decided to make him a REAL senator and plied him with tons of legislation founded and plodded over by other senators.. to pass as his own!
Of course, he DID make time to take a couple of earmarks in his behalf… like the one to Michelle’s boss, which translated into a hefty pay raise for her. and the $15,000,000 earmark to Obama’s erswhile church….. which, curiously, amounts to just about the same amount give Jeremiah for his retirement package (pay-off?) and retirement multi-million dollar home….
And.. oh yeah, Obama DID find a way to take Rezko’s “heating funds” which he had “ear marked” for the denizens of his broken down tenements!
Obama is nothing more than a charlatan with the voice of a preacher man….
There is nothing he has done which warrants his becoming to President of this country.
Even the books upon which many you have been swayed to vote for him are nothing more than the hype… with a capital “H” of two semi-autobiographical well penned novels!
Words…… just words!
So you are going to vote for him WHY???
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
eyes wide open
if for nothing else he is not McCain, Charlie Black, Randy Scheunneman, Gramm
these are the guys who are his leadership team
Randy Scheunneman ran the comm for lIberation of Iraq…picked specifically by Cheney and Bush to head up this lobbyist PR group to sell the war (that is not made up go look at the military contracts that came out of that committee)…he is now McCain’s lead foreign policy advisor
Charlie Black…one of the biggest lobbyists in the business and attached to a lot fo yucky clients.
and grammm (Mccain’s economy guru who literally wrote his economic platform)…okay …enron loop hole…banking deregulation…and his list is bad…what he pushed through congress…
these are the same guys who DID bering us the last 8 years and now they run McCain’s campaign.
Posted by: dl | August 24, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
dl:
your list is outdated!
Gramm is GONE, remember:
McCain said,”Gramm doesn’t speak for McCain!
McCAIN speaks for McCain!”
As for the rest of the list?????
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
eyes wide open —— Why am I voting for Obama. Im 50 now and a working class white male. I voted for Bush twice.I sometimes have to burn my hand twice before I learn not to do the same thing again. Well McCain would be doing the same thing again. Now as to your comments. True or not, if one looks hard enough at anybody they can find things about that person that one may not agree with and find fault. Niether McCain or Obama are perfect I assure you and God is not running.
I am voting for Obama because I am tired of the insanity of expecting a different outcome doing the same thing over and over. Obama-Unknown mostly- Came up and beat one of the most well known most powerful political names in the world. He managed his finances fantastic and continues to do so. He has shown that he is a great manager and thats what this country needs. We dont need the same as we have had for 8 years. Yes he is a gamble but not as big a gamble as McCain. When I see him talk like at the church the other night. I see and hear a sincere honest man answering questions the best he can. From his heart and mind. Some make fun of him for that. When he said above my pay grade. He was humble enough as to say Im not God and thats what he meant. Thats honest. McCain gives one-two word answers and and they sounded rehearsed and told us nothing about McCain the man himself. I feel this country needs a uplift facelift. Sometimes you have to get rid of the old and bring in a whole new way and fresh face with fresh ideas to get things going in a positive direction. Obama did things in his youth I do not agree with. But who am I to judge. I was a hard core racist while growing up.
When Obama addressed racisim in this country, I saw hin again as sincere and honest and he approached head on what so many have avoided. He has said he cant do it alone and has said he needs help from all of us. Thats honest. If we think any one man can fix this country,we are dreaming. It will take all of us to bring this country around.
McCain and his conceated “I know everything” type attitude scares me. Obama has proven he is good with finances, business management, is sincere and cares about Americas tomorrow. Im not a scolar nor no all facts about everybody but I like what I see and hear and Im a pretty good judge of people because of some experiances in life I wont go in to. Obama is certainly better on the economy. Obama met with a whole group of economic winners and experts for advice on putting together a economic package while McCain just acted like he knows best even though he admits to knowing nothing about the economy. Obama- being young and new- will ask for help and advice which any one man should do before making decisions that will affect billions of people. Thats not weak. Thats smart. If we had a President that would have done that more often we probably would not be fighting 2 wars and sending all our jobs overseas. That just some of the reasons I am voting for him. You asked.
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
EyesWide: Don’t you know that the candidate doesn’t speak for the McCain campaign?
Posted by: MikeW | August 24, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
CW
I have NEVER voted Republican in my life; interesting that we are both switching with this election.
I appreciate your sharing your reasons; at least you seem to have thought them through and come to a conclusion which satisfies you.
I’m from Illinois… actually I’m a displaced New Yorker but have lived here longer than I did there…
I see lingering messes from Obama’s state senatorship and, although I too fell for the sound of his voice for a while, I lost it’s affect when he let his bloggers use the “race” card, and smear Hillary way too many times!
Anyway, I don’t think either of us has a terrific choice this year…. but I applaud your right to vote for whichever candidate you choose!
Thank G-d for the United States!
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 24, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
eddie m—————- Good post. I too can not look at the past eight years without being depressed. Your right. Go to Obama’s web sight and read about what he stands for. Weigh that against a canidate that supports 95 percent of Bush policies. The decision should be easy!
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
All this drama is great… it gets people hooked into the convention.
It will expand viewership considerably. Plus, it will give the Clintons a great chance to boost Obama while calling McCain out on his sleazy opportunism and disingenuous concern for Hillary supporters.
The more McCain can flap his jaws… the better. Who knows… maybe his teeth will fall out on national TV!
Posted by: blip | August 24, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
eyes wide open ——– Thanks and its nice to atleast respectfully agree that we disagree and that you seem sincere and honest about wanting what is best also and not switching sides for other reasons. You are a great American and with voters like you we have a chance no matter who sits in the White House. Good luck and have a great life. Thanks
Carl
Posted by: CW | August 24, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Shame on McCain for this silly ad using Hillary Clinton’s words to put down Obama. So what???? …. Anyone could make a similar ad using Mitt Romney’s words against McCain. … But we, the voters, deserve better than this kind of b.s. ………… This is boring, old-style U.S. politics. We can do better than this. OBAMA/BIDEN ’08
Posted by: Wendy | August 24, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
WENDY……ROMNEY NEVER SAID McCAIN ISN’T READY TO LEAD ON DAY ONE…..BUT HILLARY AND BIDEN HAVE BOTH SAID IN DIFFERENT WORDS……NOBAMA DOESN’T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES.
POOR JUDGEMENT…..SO LACKING
McCain/Romney or anyone just NEVER BARACK HUSSEIN
Posted by: Debra | August 24, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
Debra, what Wendy said is correct. There were many harsh words and debates between Romney and McCain. The dems will have a field day with it.
Posted by: ll | August 24, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
I forget, how many houses do John and Cindy own? Maybe someone should ask McCain how many children he has. I would love to hear the answer on that one – or maybe he’sll just make it up – the way Cindy did with her fantasy about herself and Mother Teresa. What kind of a woman would LIE about Mother Teresa? Jeez. My mother must be rolling in her grave. If there was anything she hated worse than liars it was trash with money.
Posted by: mara | August 24, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Debra, do you really believe the Fundies are going to vote for an Episcopalian and a Mormon?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Let’s pray for rain on Thursday night
in Denver…I’m dying to see Ohbama
walk on water.
Posted by: Trajan | August 24, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
if McCain picks Romey the big difference is Romney got millions of votes and won delegates. Biden is a loser and quitter.
Posted by: geevill | August 24, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
“what other options do women have now if faced with an unwanted pregnancy.”
The same as ever: abort, or don’t.
A great deal may depend on which player in the zygote-producing drama finds a pregnancy “unwanted” — a number of sad old ballads (“Banks of the Ohio” comes to mind) feature murder-by-dagger of prospective mommies by unwilling daddies.
Free medical abortion would do quite a bit to keep the riverbanks uncluttered with dead women.
Posted by: Ruth Roman | August 24, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Who ever said that the Pres. and VP should be clones of each other? I think some spice in the soup is in order.
As for attacks, just wait – Biden will chew up McCain and spit him out before McCain has time to form a thought.
Posted by: Bill | August 24, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
“Biden will chew up McCain and spit him out … “
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 24, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Obama sure went out of his way to alienate Clinton supporters by never vetting Clinton even out of respect and by releasing the veep text at 3 AM, wow what a slap in the face. Even if she gives lukewarm support, to her supporters he just dangled raw meat!!
Posted by: Typical White Sweetie | August 24, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
I sense a lot of rage under the mccainiacs. What’s up?
Mad that Zogby has Obama up by 3 points again? After they had McCain up by 5 points just this week?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
I gotta hand it to Maobama for tapping into the left side of the bellcurve voters. They care nothing about substance and vote like Chris Matthrews from the tingle below the belt. I read one of them to ask “What’s wrong with COMMUNISM?”–well I can’t blame them for not knowing world history because Obama doesn’t even know how many states there are. The Golden Idiot was praising China’s economic structure a few days ago–yes, it’s amazing what a few million slave laborers can do for that infrastructure Obama! One billion dead from the square wheel failed experiment and they wish to keep reinventing it…if his supporters want a socialist/communist government so much, why don’t they just move to Venezuela or China?
Posted by: Typical White Sweetie | August 24, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
The only way McCain will even have a shot at the Presidency is when he picks Hillary as his running mate.
Even McCain says that Hillary spoke the Truth. He should pick Hillary, otherwise his words will come back to hurt him when the Dems will air the other truths she had said during the primaries and for the rest of the campaign.
It would be great line for Hillary: “Even McCain thinks I’m telling you the truth. Well, this is what I’m telling you: McCain will be a disaster for America”
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
Sweetie, scared much? So you trot out all those old scare tactics from the 80s?
They’re soooooo old. You’ll have to find a new one. These ones aren’t working.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
RNC motto right now is, “wait ’til safely nominated”
Posted by: Typical White Sweetie | August 24, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Isn’t the VP pick supposed to balance out the ticket? It’s quite logical and honest to state the Maobama bin Biden is a SOCIALIST ticket, and here’s why:
Obama is THE MOST liberal member of the U. S. Senate. He is more liberal than 94% of the Senate on economic issues; 94% of the Senate on social issues; and 92% of the Senate on foreign issues. His composite “Liberal” score is 95.5%.
Biden is the 3RD MOST liberal member of the U. S. Senate. He is more liberal than 94% of the Senate on economic issues; 88% of the Senate on social issues; and 94% of the Senate on foreign issues. His composite “Liberal” score is 94.2%.
Both Obama and Biden are further to the left than Bernie Sanders, who comes in fourth. He is more liberal than 90% of the Senate on economic issues; 88% of the Senate on social issues; and 98% of the Senate on foreign issues. His composite “Liberal” score is 93.7% — and Bernie Sanders identifies himself as a Socialist.
Source: National Journal 2007 Vote Ratings
Posted by: Typical White Sweetie | August 24, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
CW, great post. You’ve captured the mood of the country perfectly.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Sweetie still doesn’t get it. You do know what the approval rating for Congress is, do you? It’s abysmally low.
It’s even lower for the Senate.
And it’s even lower for the Republicans in that Senate.
Now do a cross-tab: Obama is the ‘most liberal’ of the Senate; Obama is the Pres. candidate who is solidly ahead in the national polls but more importantly, in the electoral college.
And you know why that is? Because the country wants a far more liberal Congress.
So when you try to scare people with that silly “he’s the most liberal senator”, people actually think: “thank you, than that’s the one I want”.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Sweetie: “Remember this: Change is no always change for the better.”
It can’t get any worse than this. Staying the McCourse clearly isn’t getting us out of this mess.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
McCain is expected to get 15% of Hillary’s votes, and he hasn’t even started campaigning in earnest yet. Obama will lose by double digits, check your history re: Kerry, Dukakis and compare.
Now Obama used to be a community organizer for ACORN which was found guilty of registering tens of thousands of nonexistent voters in multiple states. And he’s still sending money via front organizations to ACORN. That could be the only possible card up his sleeve, but defrauding the FEC is a violation that would wind him up in jail.
Posted by: Typical White Sweetie | August 24, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Sweetie:
What about the deaths in Iraq? Tens of thousands of little boys and girls have died there.
What about New Orleans? Drowned while McCain was eating cake with Bush.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
It CAN get worse, and it only DID get worse since the Democrats took over. They could make things, far, far worse. Chavez’ government has its political prisoners, it’s socialist reforms have gone down the same predictable pathway to loss of freedoms, never to be regained short of revolution. The American spirit will not be put out by a Barack Hussein Obama, we will not relinquish our freedoms to the Golden Idiot. Never.
Posted by: Typical White Sweetie | August 24, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
Sweetie brought us Bush.
That’s all you need to know.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 24, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
Then go to Venezuela and fight the system there.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 25, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Sweetie: “It CAN get worse”
When you stay the McCourse, yes.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 25, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
dl 6:40:45 She is releasing her delegates because they would professionally pay the price of NEVER GETTING ANYTHING FOR THEMSELVES OR THEIR DISTRICTS if they don’t back Obama. That is the REAL world in politics-check out Illinois. PS…He won’t carry Missouri. Sincerely, RL in Southern Illinois.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | August 25, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
That could be the only possible card up his sleeve, but defrauding the FEC is a violation that would wind him up in jail.”
Posted by: Typical White Sweetie | Aug 24, 2008 11:54:40 PM
_______________________________
That, and the possibility he is NOT a US Citizen!
Posted by: eyes wide open | August 25, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
“Chavez’ government has its political prisoners, it’s socialist reforms have gone down the same predictable pathway to loss of freedoms, never to be regained short of revolution.”
Bollocks. Rightwing propaganda not supported by facts. Chavez introduced Constitutional amendments, which were defeated.
What a dictator, caring for the Constitution. Chavez obviously doesn’t think that the “Constitution is just a godd**n piece of paper”. I don’t want to be accused of plagiarism: this was an actual quote from George W. Bush.
HRW does not list any political prisoners in Venezuela. Or did you mean the people who were arrested after that coup d’etat?
Venezuela sure is a bit edgy about opposition groups after that coup d’etat. I don’t deny that. But since the US (with the help of McCain’s IRI) has been actively engaged in that coup against a democratically elected leader, I can understand why they would be. You would be too.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 25, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Obama victory will enhance US image in the world! It is a very superficial assesment, just like the celebration of Obama for qualities that are superficial.In fact America will loose gravity. It will be another expression of our fascination with superficial attributes of glamour which can be excused for Hollywood but not Washington.
Posted by: raja | August 25, 2008, 3:05 am 3:05 am
geevil wrote
“if McCain picks Romey the big difference is Romney got millions of votes and won delegates. Biden is a loser and quitter.”
the big difference is Biden has character.
even McCain know that.
Posted by: dl | August 25, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
eyes wide open
lets stick with the truth
Gramm is not “gone” …he once again has been speaking for the campaign…
and yes…Gramm wrote McCain’s economic platform.
so stop
Everyone should look at both candidates leadership in their campaign…
McCain’s team are the same team that borught us the banking crisis (Gramm), enron (gramm), the iraq war (scheunnemann), an ignored Georgia situation (Scheunnemann)…
and Black…Black’s had his hands in almost every negative corporate and administrative lobbying issue out there…go look at his companies client list.
you have a choice…
the bad guys again who gave us the last 8 years or the team that fought those bad guys.
it’s an easy choice if there wasn’t a lot of bologne being thrown around like
statements that say “gramm is gone”
as if they threw out his economic plan and he wasn’t still running around “as the guy whop wrote the economic plan for Mccain” speaking.
ugh
Posted by: dl | August 25, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
dl – Is ignorance Bliss? is so you libs must be blissful!! But unfortunatly you are full of lies
Banking issue was brought to you by the Dems in Congress, but ignoring the issue so they can hold their Stalinist show trials, Sen. Schmer(D) from NY is responsible for the larges collapse!!
Did you ever wonder why all these dems including Obama got great deals from Banks on their mortgages?
They were paid off!!
Posted by: spock | August 25, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
what is also true is you’ll have two poor money managers with a mccain romney ticket.
one doesn’t know the economy.
the other doesn’t know when to stop pouring millions of his own money into a hopeless dream.
Posted by: kravitz | August 25, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
I don’t care how wonderful Obama treats Bill Clinton at the convention. He made no bones about disparaging Bill Clinton’s legacy to this country when he was campaigning against his wife, Senator Clinton. This country enjoyed the wealthiest period of its existence and Obama the new little twit, had to run him down constantly. I wouldn’t care if Jesus himself was Obama’s VP, I still WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!! He is done! And, he said the following about HIllary Clinton throughout the campaign AND THE WOMEN SUPPORTERS OF BARRACK OBAMA SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THIS, “I knew her claws would come out.” “I knew when she was backed into a corner that she would react and I know her and how she reacts.” “Who does she think is, Annie Oakley supporting the gun rights?” “I did not whine when her campaign released negative fliers about my.” And, my most favorite of all time when he was in a closed door session two days after getting the nomination, where reporters were present, and when he was asked how he intended on making amends with the women voters who felt so angry about how he kept sexually bashing Senator Clinton because she was a woman, “They’ll get over it.” This is how insignificant he treats women voters so please don’t tell me how much better off we will be with him as our president. And, I don’t care what his wife has to say about him at the convention. She should be ashamed of herself, being a woman, and not taking a stand at his negativity toward Hillary Clinton as a woman. And any women who votes for Obama should be ashamed of themselves! We are already rolling out commercials encouraging women to vote for John MCCain in November and this is only the beginning. He is as big of a flip flopper as his prune face supporter, John Kerry. And, Biden, is just another politics as usual Washington gas bag. Oh yea, there is a great ticket for America. Steve Erkel and Bluto the bully so good luck with all of that! I hope they get trounced in November by John McCain! The McCain campaign is treating women like we are the golden goose and the sky is the limit when we request something. I hope next time the man of choice by the Washington gasbags in the party, remembers to tell them to stick to the issues and not to crucify any candidate due to race, gender, etc., and to keep their pie hole shut! They are deconstructing and reconstructing our party and it is a disgrace! First they went with an experienced gasbag like kerry and he couldn’t win. Than, they went with an inexperienced black man thinking the liberal base would feel guilty if they didn’t vote for him. Obama was more to the right and than now he is in the middle. Is it any wonder that we cannot get anyone elected to the office of President when we are constantly changing all the time? It’s ridiculous! And, we don’t care if you vote for Hillary if she runs again or not. All we care about is our party being in tact and adhering to their original principles and that a woman is not harassed just because she is a women. If Obama supporters want to boycott voting for Hillary if she runs again than the women block will boycott anyone he supports, including himself. It will go and on because we have dug our heels in and we have no intention of going away this time. We are done! Go McCain!!! We are doing everything in our power to make sure that he gets elected!The Republicans will keep on getting elected instead of the Democrats if this nonsense continues!
Posted by: Mary Anne | August 25, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
“The delegates will make history this week by officially nominating Obama as the first African-American presidential nominee of a major U.S. political party.”
____________
But what about Warren Harding?
Posted by: JUST CURIOUS | August 25, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
“Asked what his role in the campaign is now, Gramm said in an interview, “I’m a supporter.”
As for whether he continues to advise McCain, he said, “We’re friends. I haven’t stopped being his friend. If he asks me, I’d give it to him.”
He added, “I’m not an official adviser.”
( snipped from the wall street journal )washington wire, aut.14,2008
_____________________________
As I previously wrote, Gramm is no longer an official member of McCsin’s campaign.
Posted by: JUST CURIOUS | August 25, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
“eyes wide open
lets stick with the truth
“Gramm is not “gone” …he once again has been speaking for the campaign…”
dl.
__________________
YOU’re wrong!
If he spoke for the campaign, it could not have been in an official capacity.
Sort of like you.
Or me.
So,as YOU wrote and I copied:
“so stop!”
oh yeah,
and:
UGH!
Posted by: EYES WIDE OPEN...." | August 25, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm