Nomination His, Obama Now Wants Full Recognition for Michigan and Florida

YOU Arrogant Radical LIAR – FRAUD!
This is your last straw – the DNC sure picked the wrong guy – obama will NEVER be elected – the Millions of Hillary supporters, together with the Millions of FL & MI voters, and the GOP will make sure of this in November.

since he is trailing polls both in MI/FL he wants to restore full rights.
He changed on Offshore drilling also after seeing the bill.
Americans are Idiots choosing this idot

Abby,
I happen to be one of those voters in Florida you are speaking for-
I am not sure where you have been, but we independents and democrats have been asking Obama to ask them for reinstatement.
If you can’t understand why- you were never really a democrat to begin with.

Is Obama suffering from multiple personality disorder.
It is becoming more and more evident that he is, at least to me.

I’m sure this is more the result of a demand from the Hillary camp than anything he really wanted to do.

It is not worth it to seat both Michigan and Florida after he got the nomination. What is a cheater? Nobody buys Obama’s argument. I’m annoying his action.

Dems got what they wanted now he is the candidate. LOL gonna be funny when he loses watching all the press spin as to why he lost.
Hint, he sucks.

My family in Florida, democrats by birth will not vote for Obama. Not because he’s black but because he’s a lier, a fraud, full of himself, racist, sexist, steals Hillary’s policies, disrespects President Clinton, associates with American haters and criminals, and he’s the media’s creation. NOBAMA.

Which delegates is he asking to seat? Those won according to the vote, or those apportioned by the DNC rules committee?

Let’s go a bit further back– FL and MI jumped the gun holding their primaries prior to Super Tuesday. They broke the DNC rules and were penalized. Both FL and MI state committees were aware of the penalties before they decided to break the rules.

Obama has lost all credibility with me. McCain is not a bad Republican to be voting for. His ideas are good and he would make a better Commander in Chief. Obama switches his views every week to whatever works best for him. He has sold out his supporters and when it comes time to negotiate with the crazy leaders of the world, he’ll sell out America in a minute. He already threw us under the bus in his Germany speech. Apologizing to GERMANY for OUR mistakes. Hah. He look at the U.S. from an outsider’s perspective.

MI may be in play, but Floridians have long memories. It keeps the focus on Obama and helps McCain. McCain has been moving up in the daily tracking polls as Obama drops. It’s very confusing given the damaged Republican brand. When you consider McCain’s lack of funds, problems with the base and his age it’s very hard to understand why this race is so close.

So now, he is the ruler of the DNC rules committee as well. So even though they were doing his bidding, he now throws them under the bus. I hope he gives back those votes in Michigan that were NEVER cast for him. Obama is the worst candidate the Dems could have put forth. He is the most politically expedient flip-flopper I have ever seen in my lifetime. Please, superdelegates, give us Hillary at the convention.
Hillary ’08

Can he stoop any lower? I seriously doubt it. My G-d, he is something else. He makes me sick. And he makes McCain look a good choice.

I have never, on principle, voted for a Republican for POTUS. However, this time, I have no problem voting for McC if Hillary is not the nominee. Better an imperfect man who has served his country, but risks taking a stand when it is unpopular, then a slimey, reptilian (his word), shape-shifter who twists and nuances everthing from NASA to NAFTA for his personal political benefit.

Obama is the person who, for his benefit, will call a same women his mother one day, wife the other day, whore/mistress the next day and daughter the day after…he is just an empty suit

People must pause and ask themselves, how long this fraudulent act on the voters will continue? This man knifed his onetime mentor Alice Palmer from Chicago, when his job was done, removed fellow democrats names from the ballot when he ran for the state senate, and got himself elected unopposed, couldn’t stand to the scrutiny and arguments of Sen Clinton during the primary season debates, allowed his surrogates to brand the Clintons as racists, helped unleash a barrage of online hatred and deceitful information, knifed the fellow democrats in the Clintons, copied all of Sen Clintons plans, supported FISA, flip-flopped so many times. Come on! He has taken a whole younger generation for a ride, teaching them to be cult followers, vitriolic and disdainful of others (they always call themselves as intelligent and smart, others as stupid and dumb), do away with personal ethics by his flip-flopping and then to cover it up using twisted logic. Time to rise and say “No”.

A real flip-flop man, who just cares about his own advantage. When will the liberal Dem leaders and young college kid wakeup?

Maybe he’s just “uppity,” Jake.

Evidence has surfaced that John McCain did run an ad with Obama’s face on $100 bill in June.
Today, McCain refused to apologize for this ad.

Obama takes us for fools. Vote Nader/Gonzalez 08

All I can say is I watched the whole DNC rules committee hearing on that Saturday. This is like asking the rape victim to fall in love with the attacker.

Gee. Those pesky voters again. I guess telling them their votes wouldn’t count or were only worth half wasn’t working out so well. We can all read polls and all of us understand why Obama is backtracking on his previously “principled” stance. And hey. What the heck. He took Hillary down and that’s what the “principle” was for.
Posted by: beebop | Aug 3, 2008 4:24:30 PM
Yes, he took all the votes and didn’t have to pay a penny for them.

come on now get along otherwise how will Nancy be able to focus on saving the planet

What’s funny is that this uniting effort (granting votes to the two wayward states) is accompanied by talk of Mickey Kantor as VP. Kantor was chairman of the 1992 Clinton-Gore campaign ticket. He may have more skeletons in his closet than even James Carville or Karl Rove. I believe Kantor was the chief architect behind driving NAFTA through legilative approval. Economics background/Navy background. Talk about a Beltway player, though, he’s right smack in the middle of the D.C. freeway. There’s that NAFTA problem again for Obama.

Illegitimate candidate now wants legitimacy and validation. I guess those pesky poll numbers can sober anyone up. I guess ‘Da Rulz’ don’t matter anymore.
The DNC can ignore the rigging of the caucuses, keep a complicit silence while you play the race card in your own party, carry you over the finish line to hand you the nomination, now they can try and help you with the unity pony.
But don’t expect a reward vote from people who see through this chicanery.
PUMA!!!!

Republican Attack Machine: Is no threat
to the Dems .. Mcbush is a threat to
Republicans on election day.. lol

Obama has NO integrity. He’s a HOAX.

Hey chris,
It’s not ‘racists’ anymore, Dearest Leader sez it’s ‘cynics’ now.
Please, update your lexicon.

This disgusts me. To Obama, votes are just something to be manipulated/a game to be played to get elected. From the actions of his campaign, it appears that the principle of enfranchisement has little meaning for him.

What happened to the rules are the rules? What happened to principle?
What happened to all those Obama supporters who argued on principle that the rules are the rules and “what kind of message would this give my children if they see you can break the rules, be penalized and then have those penalties taken away for political purposes” ? What a bunch of hypocritcal garbage.
Now the Obama supporters can explain to their kids how old time really slimy politics plays itself out. They can explain how those penalties can and should be waived if it would benefit you and/your candidate but not if you think it will someone else. Hypocritical garbage. I am so disgusted with seeing Obama supporters put their supposed principles to the side and supporting their candidate “Mr New Politics” on this kind of garbage, his change on FISA, NAFTA, drilling, gun control, death penalty, supporting faith based initiatives as long as it’s a Democrat proposing it and not a Republican and so on. As much as I hate these past 8 yrs under the Bush administration my disgust for the Democratic party at this point, a party I have predominantly voted for 3 decades, is almost equal too the disgust for 8 yrs of Bush. Pelosi and Reid are right up there with lower ratings with the public then Bush. I’d like to see them ride away in the mode of transportation that takes Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld out of Washington.

Obama is a hypocrite!!
Obama and his followers must really think the voting public are that stupid to believe all of Obama’s lies and flip flops. Thanks to Howard (the loser) Dean and the DNC putting this guy up; the democrats once again picked a huge loser!! Obama is most arrogant candidate ever to come down the pike.

There is no good excuse for this latest flip flop. Obama’s supporters are REALLY FOR whatever Obama stands for, then when he reverses when it is convenient for him, they are REALLY FOR his new stance. No integrity at all.

Obama should have allowed the votes to count back in May; he would have still won the nomination. The DNC would never risk their chances with Hillary and that was quite obvious.

I have never in my life seen or known anyone who has less integrity than Obama. He is shameless. He suffers from narcissistic personalilty disorder. This is very frightening stuff, folks. I know you Obama supporters are just acting ornary, but do you really know what is at stake here? This is a most dangerous man!

This is disgusting. My only hope is the Supreme Court and the lawsuits already filed. Maybe if what the DNC did is against the Voters Rights Act, which states that you cannot change the way people voted all uncommitted and votes given to Obama from Hillary are illegal,and the DNC had no right to give the voters of FL half a delegate instead of a full delegate. I just don’t know if this was the argument in MI but I am pretty sure The Voters Rights Act was used as an argument in FL. My question though is what would be the delegate count if Obama loses the uncommitted and Hillary gets the full seated delegates in FL.

Obama is doing what he needs to do to win, people. Quit your crying. Politics is rough, and if you can’t take it, take yourself out!

pennsylvaniavoter
Obama would still win. There was nothing the DNC could have done to give the nomination to Hillary.

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up!

The Establishment propped up an Empty Suit – with a crazy pastor, questionable anti-America associates, and a power hungry wife. And with the media’s assistance, they’ve now got their boy.
Obama/Hilton08
Dems for McCain!

Now, I can vote for McCain with a clear conscience. (Whew!)

OMG people…the DNC should not have given votes at ALL on this. Those states were told NOT to move their primaries or their votes would NOT be counted. Period. Unfortunate. But they did it anyway. Yes, the voters had no say, their elected officials made this decision. However, rules are rules. Supposedly. In this democracy. Supposedly. I am a PROUD Hillary supporter and it is the ONE thing I disagreed with her on. Once those decisions were made to not count the votes, that should have been the end of it. But as an earlier poster stated, the DNC does whatever the hell it wants to get “The Precious” in office. And no, he does NOT have the nomination, officially. Period GO PUMA Pac

Guess the sheep aren’t falling in line, Obama’s internal polls must really be tanking for him to pull this card out of the deck.

So why is no one expecting him to come forward with proof that he qualifies under the RULZ to be CIC? Where is the BC – Was he a citizen of Indonesia- Was his name changed and was he adopted by his Mother’s Indonesian husband? Does he qualify to be Commander in Chief? Why is it racist to require this information from someone seeking the highest office? And how about all his other papers he refuses to release or the dog ate?

Martin
No, it would not make her the nominee.

Wow hillary supporters sure do whine they bashed him during the primaries and now did hillary or did she not get 4 of his super delegates during the dnc ruling clinton babies grow up stop the whining already you make hillary look bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is anyone really surprised that Obama now wants MI and FL to count? Obama is the most corrupt politician and he is brand new to politics. He is only going to get worse, if that is possible.
- Democrat who is paying attention

Obama is obviously a desperate man.
I guess losing 9 points in the polls in one week will do that.
First his lofty, self-serving, unAmerican, Berlin speech backfired.
Then he finally got called out for playing the race card. His pity-party about how he looks different and they’re going to try to scare you speech backfired too.
Then he was laughed at for suggesting Americans should check their tires. So Obama flipped on drilling even though he called it a “scheme” a few days ago.
Great choice DNC–You have chosed someone more arrogant than Bush. And I never thought that was possible.
McCain08

My entire family voted for Clinton in the primary and now all of us are voting for McCain. I will not vote for someone who is as corrupt as Obama. Why do people like this guy? Where does he stand on anything? Does he have any qualifications?

JoseyJ
Those 4 delegates made absolutely no difference in the outcome, and they were never Clinton’s in the first place.

Another 48 hours and more of Obama’s multiple flip flops:
+Offshore drilling
+No townhall meetings with McCain
+Restore FL & MI delegates
At Obama’s flip flopping pace, by November, he will have abandoned all his positions.
He’s flip flopped so much it’s difficult to keep up with all of them, but his flip flops on public financing and FISA were biggies too!
PUMA!

Hillary suspended her campaign. She never conceded. She hasn’t released her delegates. She is the real nominee of this party and they better own up to it. Obama can not be trusted. He is a empty suit.
Now there will be a fight on the convention floor.
This is a whole new ball game.
DNC wake up and stop drinking the Kool Aide. You have a winning nominee-Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Super Delegates wake up with Obama you lose. He is tanking. He tried the race card against Mc Cain and it backfired. Now he wants Michigan and Florida-he’s desperate. Even he knows he can’t win. Give Hillary the nomination which she won or lose big time in November and risk losing the voters of the Democratic Party. Without them you have no party. The party will be over.
The last one to leave turn the lights out.

CORRUPTION? Changing your mind is called corruption nowadays. Hmmm. So, is McCain a corrupt politician based on stoltz61′s standards?
If that doesn’t make him corrupt, what about The Keating Five?
If you’re not aware of this corrupt moment in history. Let me educate you.
In 1989, McCain(Republican) and 4 (Democrats) US senators met 3 times with regulators on Charles Keatings behalf to interfere with a federal investigation to help Charles Keating (a close friend of Cindy McCain’s father)get a lenient judgement on his illegal investment practices that cost Americans over $124.6 BILLION.
Oh and the McCain’s took personal gifts from Mr.Keating such as his personal jet to the Bahamas and staying in Keatings personal resort for free.
Honest John, didn’t feel the need to pay Keating back until he found out about Keatings’ little investigation. I guess Mr. McCain wanted to wash his hands clean of that corruption as well.
I wonder how many times John McCain has to break the law before you guys realize he’s a corrupt politician.
Wow, he aided in trying to hide the fact that this Keating guy took $160 BILLION whereas $124.6 BILLION belong to the American tax payer and he has the guts to utter the words…I’m John McCain and I’m put our country first.
Old person, old politics! Hell, he can’t even log on to a computer, but he’s suppose to be able to run a country! LMAO!

On top of this, he said that Hillary is on anyone’s shortlist for VP, but has not even vetting her at all. He’s lying on every issue.

I wonder why American people love the word “Flip-Flop”. What you call flip-flop is called common sense. But you can’t blame Senator Obama for everything in the world. As the Berbere of Algeria say, “To criticize for criticizing other people is a proof of idlenees.”

Obam has no shame. Totally and utterly scurrilous.

YOU PEOPLE ARE SO WRONG THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN DID NOT FIGHT TO NOT HAVE FL AND MI SEATED THAT WAS THE DNC RULES NOT THE OBAMAS RULES PLEASE PEOPLE GROW UP SHE GOT 4 OF HIS SUPER DELEGATES AT THE DNC RULLING HE DID NOT HAVE TO GIVE HER ANY UNLIKE HER WHO KEPT HER DELEGATES AFTER THE PRIMARIES LIKE A LITTLE GIRL WHO WONT GIVE UP HER DOLL IM SOOOOOOOOOOOO GLAD HILLARY LOST SHE WOULD MAKE A HORRIBLE PRESIDENT SHE IS SO DISHONEST!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT TO MENTION SHE ACTED LIKE A COMPLETE CHILD WHEN SHE WAS LOSING PLEASE THAT WOMAN IS SORRY!

I really hope Hllary pulls a surprise roll call and nominates herself for president. This fraud Obama needs to step down, but his ego will never allow it, so the nomination has to be taken back from him, the same way he wrestled it away from Hillary with the help of the DNC appointing him the nominee. I think Hillary has every right for a vote and I think she can pull it off..
OBama has lost his mind in the last few months, and his megalomania is the main reason he is not fit to be president.

Apparently insults are all we have left in America. Is this what our country has come to? Rabid partisans hurling baseless insults and lies at the opposition, just to see if you can bring him down a notch in the eyes of others. What ever happened to human decency? No, you say, this is too important to follow those silly rules! What is more important than human decency? For shame.

beebop
No, she would not have been the nominee. No ruling on Michigan and Florida could have given her more pledged delegates than Obama.

Obama is the presumptive nominee, that does not mean the nomination is his; he still has to voted for/against at the Denver Convention.
If Clinton’s name is placed in
NOMINATION in the FIRST ROLL CALL, she could easily win the nomination.
Ted Kennedy who was not even close during his run for the presidency insisted his name be place in Nomination against Carter, so Clinton’s name should be placed in NOMINATION.
If Obama really wanted party unity, he, the DNC, the RBC, Pelosi, Dean, Reed et al, should insiste that Clinton’s name be placed in Nomination and permit all delegates and super delegates an closed private Democratic vote…

That is purely arrogance Obama

What a coward.

VERY SLICK Barry. What a loser, now go ahead and Dis Hillary by picking someone else for VP… and why? Because she will outshine you in anything she does… and why? because she is better than you.

angie Get a grip. Clinton has done absolutely nothing wrong since conceding. How old are you? You must have forgotten how gracious Ted Kennedy was with Jimmy Carter or some other past primaries where the players were not nearly as gracious. Clinton hasn’t been sending subliminal messages or secret emails to her supporters telling them to not vote or vote McCain. The Clinton supporters will make their own decisions in the Fall regardless of how hard Clinton campaigns for Obama. You might as well just face the facts- half the Democrats didn’t want your candidate. Obama won with no landslide nor mandate in this party. Now he’s running neck and neck with McCain who’s been sleepwalking and bumbling his way through the campaign. Alot of people didn’t want Obama because they didn’t think he was as likely to win the general as Clinton and polls they’ve taken recently bear that out, Clinton would be faring better against McCain then Obama right now. Alot of Democrats, like those 30% of the conservative Dems who plan to vote McCain and the almost 50% of Clinton supporters who plan to not vote Obama
will be pointing fingers at the DNC and Obama supporters if McCain gets in. The Repubs actually did something right for a change this time and nominated the only Repub who could have a chance to win this election after 8 yrs of Bush. And what do we do? Let’s put in a virtually inexperienced nominee who the public has little if any knowledge of and put him against someone like McCain. The Dems went overboard and thought they could take risks and took advantage of an election they thought they had no way of losing. Well surprise. The Dems don’t deserve to win this year as much as I hate everything about the last 8 years under George W. And don’t talk unity to many of us, the Obama camp has done little if anything to bring the Clinton supporters back in and sorry, that’s not Clinton’s job that is his. He continues to make decisions like bringing on Solis Doyle of all things to work with the VP candidate and in turn flips the finger at Clinton and her supporters. Thata brilliant campaign he ran in the primaries is starting to unravel and the polls are mirroring it.

“Who cares now. Let FL and MI count as a full vote so Hillary supporters don’t nag about the nomination being stolen.”
nag? I won’t nag. I’ll just vote for McCain. You follow the starstuck Messiah.

So, in a roll call vote, doesn’t this mean that Hillary moves ahead in pledged delegates?
Are we supposed to forget that she had more votes than BackTrackObama?

Concerned in OH 5:45
By the way, obama never said that.

Sorry Mr. Church, I do not “deserve” an obvious wannabe, liar, manipulator like Obama.

churchkl, the comment you are referring to was redacted by the thought police. But if I may, I would suggest that Gergen was speaking as a Southerner well-versed in the way certain words and phrases have a coded meaning. Those aren’t fantasies, but rather the result of personal experience.

Mr. Church, there are many good dems who I would have voted for. This election cycle is the biggest disappointment in my entire life. Don’t label us all with your broad brush. I will vote for McCain, simply because I am an intelligent, independent thinker.

churchkl, absolutely right. An opinion is not fact. Including, of course, your own. I’m merely placing more faith in Gergen and his long-time experience in the political arena. You are free to disagree, of course.

Party unity call for, as many have stated here, Hillary Clinton’s name put into nomination and on the ballot and everything else that is usual procedure, WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
And yes, she should receive the delegate count she deserves.
Would Senator Obama please explain his change of heart??

Maybe, Obama will select Bill Ayers as his Vice President. After all, Tony Rezko is in jail for a long time and he would not dare nominate an old man, Rev. Wright. Maybe he will nominate Axelrod who has packaged Obama as the ONE. It certainly will be someone who shares his far right radical political views. Voters, stop this crook.

I meant “thing”.

It never seems to occur to the Obamabots that people won’t support him because he’s UNQUALIFIED. The race card is overplayed.
Quite frankly, I don’t like his arrogant attitude. He’s all “just words” and NO ACTION. NO record of accomplishment, NONE.
The Dems are really blowing the victory that should be ours in 2008. The only way to fix this sorry situation is to nominate Hillary at the DNC convention in Denver. Hillary can win and Obama can’t. It’s that simple.
In polls today, Hillary can beat McCain by 8-10 points and Obama loses. Why on earth would the Dems nominate the ONE candidate who won’t win?

No candidate who ran on either side was a part of the current administration. That is why there were so many running, because there wouldn’t be a shoo in. McCain was never George W just like Obama is no JFK. Let people run on their own records.

I had to read this story twice because I just couldn’t believe it!! I hope the DNC, Dean and Pelosi realize what a huge mistake they made by supporting Obama instead of Hillary.

Hypocrite. Liar. Panderer.

churchkl
The problem with that theory is that Trinity UCC is not particularly racist. Some of it’s members may have said some inappropriate things, but to tarnish everyone in the church is as wrong as saying that all of the South is racist, which you rightly point out is not the case.
If you can come up with something that Obama has ever said that could be considered racist, I might start paying attention to your rants (although I doubt it)

WOMEN have been the majority voting block of the Democratic party for decades under the illusion that the Dem party stood with and for women. In the 2008 campaign debacle, we found out we were very wrong. The DNC and Dem officeholders remained silent while Hillary Clinton was attacked 24/7 in ALL media, print, TV, blogs, left wing nut radio and right wing nut radio. It was relentless. During the same time Obama was getting a free media pass, a glowing 24/7 free media promotion and any tiny perceived attack on the “chosen one” resulted in DNC and Dem officeholders tripping over themselves to get to a microphone and denounce it.
The DNC MUST be held accountable for their failure to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism and voter disenfranchisement, attempts to denigrate the former President Bill Clinton of his OWN party, continually interjrected into this 2008 campaign debable by Barack Obama, his campaign, his nasty supporters and ALL media. In fact, the DNC is complicit in disenfranchising voters. It’s unnacceptable.
To vote for Obama is to condone what they have done. DON’T do it. The Dem party understands two things, money and votes. WE have the power to withhold BOTH. DO SO.
Women decide every election, women overwhelmingly want Hillary.
It’s Hillary or McCain 08 and Hillary 2012.
Paybacks are hell, but necessary. To quote the ever incompetent Donna Brazile, “you have to destroy the party to rebuild it”. Amen. Reminder to Donna, you said in Feb on CNN that you would leave the Democratic party if the superdelegates decided this nomination, well, they are going to, may we help you pack your bags????????
“You must do the one thing you think you cannot do” Eleanor Roosevelt

churchkl
Equating Trinty people to David Duke is dishonest. And what did Wright say in the Church that was racist? and how do you know Obama heard it AND agreed with it?
Sorry, unless you can come up with some evidence that Obama himself is racist, then all you are doing is character assasination.

Dear Sue, Obama didn’t cause the problems in your state, it was your state representatives that messed up.
There comes a time when you need to make rational decisions and if you think Bush failed policies for the country’s economy is good and you agree with the invasion of Iraq then you know what to do!! Vote for 4 more years of the same failed policies, because there are only 3 choices available in the November election.
1)Vote for Obama who will at least try to bring about CHANGE;
2)Vote for McSame who will keep America right where it is, or
3) Don’t vote for any of the above, which is almost a sin at this critical time in our country’s history??
I am voting for Obama because I think he is the right choice for America.

I agree with those folks who have expressed concerns with Obama’s integrity. He has shown multiple times that he has no internal compass and will adjust his position depending on public opinion. Beyond that, he is just an extremely left-wing Chicago politician with outstanding rhetorical skills.

churchkl
I never said that Obama was “the one.” That is something your right-wing noise machine invented. All I said is that he is not a racist. And so far you have said nothing to show that he is. There may well be some racists in Trinity church. But I have seen nothing to indicate that Obama is one of them. Quite the contrary.
I know you will continue to paint a picture of Obama’s associations with the “scary black people,” but don’t expect anybody to pay attention.

Our Obama is as hideous with his lies as his hyprocrosies. The problem is that he only have to fool 50.1% of American voters. Every angle I look at Obama, I see hypocrisy staring at at me.

Hey, is anybody surprised about this? Obama will say and do anything for a vote. OMG, how did we possibly end up with such a lousy candidate??? Shame on the party leaders! They wanted him, they got him. Now he is going to turn around and give the white house back to the Republicans. OUTRAGEOUS. Even I am going to vote Republican…something I have NEVER done before.

Well, we know he can play politics too. Seeing Bill Clinton in Africa today having to proclaim he’s not a racists is the saddest outcome of the democratic primary. The Obama campaign and his surrogates did President Clinton a grave disservice by accusing him of such a thing. He and Hillary dedicated much of their political career to advance civil rights. What a shame.
——————————-
I agree. It broke my heart to hear Bill Clinton proclaim he was not a racist. I know he did a lot of BAD things, but to be tagged a racist by the likes of Obama makes me sick. I wish Bill and Hillary would NEVER campaign for Obama. He doesn’t deserve them.

Classic Obama. He would not seat Michigan and Florida because it was the right thing to do, but he will seat them now because he perceives it as being in his own interest. This guy has no moral compass. The only thing that guides him is his own personal advantage. If there is something in it for him, he’s for it. If not, forget it. Look back at his promises and convictions now gone soft– going back to the beginning of this campaign. E.g.–remember when he said he would take public financing and then reneged. Or how about opposing government surveillance before voting for it…the list keeps getting longer. This is change all right, but certainly nothing I believe in. What a fraud!

Thank you, Q!!!
Hillary or McCain 08
Never Obama

Ask not what Obama can do for you but what you can do for Obama!!
What a pandering hypocrite liar. I mean first he says “rule are rules” and has people on his behalf make sure Florida and Michigan are NOT counted and now to pander and FOOL the voters he wants them to count
how convenient now that he has won!
country before party
please do not vote for this pandering hypocrite.

I know churchkl, It is like we are in a room where everyone has inhaling some gaseous mist and now they are all Obamabot s yet we remain unaffected.
I cannot understand why people don’t see Obama for what he is. A phony.

I agree with some on here that seeing Bill Clinton have to proclaim he is not a racist is a shameful stain on this party this election.

churchkl you are spot on. That is why I thought her statements were pathetic, especially with her sons sitting next to her. People have got to have faith and hope in themselves. As I have said on this board before. I have not been blown away by Obama. There is not any reason for me to vote for the man unless I said to myself yeah I will vote for the him”.
This is not what King’s dream was about.

churchkl tell your husband that I said you are racist, and you can tell mine too ;-)

I don;t like Bush, but I don’t like Obama even more. That’s why McCain will have my solid support.

Read the story of Alice Palmer and Obama. This is not the first time Obama stepped on a woman to get into office.

Will the DNC reaffirm its sexist bias by saying YES to “the man” after having spent months forcefully saying NO to the Woman-American candidate? Double standards indeed!!! But what do you expect from a country that doesn’t even pay Women-Americans the same money for the same work completed by men? Its Hillary or no Democrat for me!!!

I can understand how Obama did not know he played the RACE CARD.
They teach blacks in school to use the RACE CARD so Obama being as stupid as he is still does not know himself he played the RACE CARD

churchklc
For 30 years, we have been subjected to the cult of “conservatism,” where predatory capitalism is “good for us,” violence is the way to peace, dissent is unpatriotic, people are poor because of their own inferiorities, and corporate earnings are the only true measure of society.
Yes, I think some change would be good about now.

Obama has consistently talked about his goals to not only end the war in Iraq, but to end the mindset that got us into the war in the first place. After the unforgivable tragedy of Iraq, that is a change I would love to see.

Your flippant attitude toward torture confirms to me that America is going in a very dark direction. And we are not talking about giving the rights of citizens to terrorists. We are talking about giving the rights of humans to suspects.

Despite being politicians, imperfect human beings and involvement with scandals in the past, at least with a Clinton or McCain presidency we know what we would get. PLUS, they each have a loooong history and we know exactly where they stand.
Do we really know what we would get with an Obama presidency? Change. Hmm, didn’t Bush promise that too?

churchklc
*Yawn*
Did you say something?

Oh, this is going to be so much fun.
See you in November!

Ray
Yes, insults are always a good way to go, when you have nothing to say.
God bless America!

Obama knows how to play the game. It’s all about Democratic unity and this might help with a few Clinton voters, but most Clinton voters are slowly coming on board with Obama, so it’s probably a moot point.

Yes, fully count these two states, then Obama would have lost nomination!
He is a liar!

Jock Obama talks to you as if you’re intelligent adults? Yeah right. Like when he stood up on a stage during the primaries after Clinton had just come out with her policy for the sub-prime housing crisis and basically said she was a hypocrite given that she had taken money from financial institutions implicated in the crisis. He failed to mention he takes money from Citigroup, UBS, JP Morgan Chase and the same institutions that she did. He counts on his supporters to not do their homework and to remain ignorant of the issues and to just believe what he says.
When he did an ad saying Clinton takes money from the oil industry he expected his supporters to stay stupid on that statement also. He knows none of the candidates can take money from the oil industry directly and he also knows he gets money from the oil industry in the same manner every other candidate does.
He’s received money from Exxon Mobil, British Petroleum and just recently did a fundraiser filled with primarily oil executives. He counts on you just believing him. When his campaign implies that 90% of his money is from small donors who give less than $200 he counts on the ignorance of his supporters. He broke records for small donors as did Clinton but they didn’t take in that astronomical of an amount more then George W received from small donors in the last election. Not even half of Obama’s money comes from small donors under $200 (who don’t need to be reported or identified to the FEC).
But keep believing. Just like he said on the King show that the public financing system was not broken and that one of the primary purposes of entering system is to limit being beholden to special interests, but he broke records in small donors and is the darling of Wall Street this election. But keep believing. FISA, drilling, NAFTA, a continuation of George W’s war on terror in Afghanistan,
gun control, death penalty, doesn’t think women should have abortions just because they’re “feeling blue”, faith based initiative and so on. Yeah, he really does treat his supporters like intelligent human beings, he just hopes you keep believing and don’t do your homework. It seems to be working.

Another flip flop for his own good. Any clown can say anything true or false, if people are so stupid as to believe this arrogant polecat so be it. BHO has nothing i want, go home and learn to do something for chicago before taking on something else you are unable to handle!

Obama tactics: eliminate your opponents by any means necessary. Not win against your Democratic opponents, but remove their names from the ballot, deny them their delegates, or even steal their delegates.
His tin suit has lost all its luster. The polls win only continue to head south.

Obama is treating the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton supporters like a game of billiards. I will understand if 18 million of us decide to sit on our hands come election day.

Vanessa,
You were saying just the opposite back in May, insisting that the Florida nd Michigan votes not count whatsoever. You flip flop as much as Obama.

I think Obama did the right thing at the right time. There are other matters the nominating convention will take up (voting on the party’s platform, for example)and so, in effect, he is saying to the Clinton supporters that they will have a full say in those matters. This is very important to both Clinton and Obama delegates. So I can see how his action is a step toward re-unification of the party after the tough primary/caucus period.
It was right for him to oppose full seating of the Clinton states when the nomination was being fought because there was no presumptive nominee and the fairness of the seating issue was still in debate among the party’s leadership.
I think Clinton would agree that this concession by Obama demonstrates the loyalty that Obama has to the full party.
I am impressed by Obama’s action here and will vote for Obama in November.
Cheers!

when the nomination was being fought

Posted by: Randy | Aug 3, 2008 11:43:28 PM
sounds like hillary to me without all the baggage..

TY Jim,
I couldn’t have put it better myself, but my comments were flagged for some unknow reason. Vote McCain!

Posted by: disambiguates | Aug 4, 2008 12:11:52 AM
perhaps you should do your home work before you diss someone. Bill Clinton has established a huge charity that gives millions upon millions of dollars to those in need. much of that money goes to africa…if he is such a racist as you say, i wish he would channel his money to a group that does not dislike him, and slander him.

alpaig52
I agree that there isn’t much difference whether they seat them now versus in June. Of course, the DNC has not made any decision on Obama’s current request, but they may think that the states were “punished enough” and that party unity is more important now. I’m not sure whether I agree or not, but none of it makes any difference to the outcome of the contest, so I’m not going to worry about it.

Posted by: jock59801 | Aug 4, 2008 1:37:09 AM
wonder who he wants seated…the michigan votes he never received, or the hillary delegates taken from her?

–Randy–The changed Senator Obama will put in place are mostly for a socialist agenda. Do you want that? His move toward the center lately is get more voters but he will go back to his far left side after the election. The other changes he speaks about are nothing but political rhetric. He can not be trusted. We do not want a socialist nation. Hillary Clinton’s policies are on the moderate democratic platform.

tr
Why does it matter? He will still be ahead either way.
And by the way, Clinton did not have any delegates to steal. The contests were declared illegitimate so the delegates did not “belong” to anybody. Since Hillary herself agreed that Michigan would not count (before she won it and needed it), I don’t see how she could complain too loudly.

Alpaig52 -
As to your comment:
“Why should any State in the future not opt to change their primary date and move it up if indeed they know that the right thing to do would be
give them back their full votes at the convention?”
and
“I personally think the right thing to was give them back their full votes towards the end of the primaries. The argument you give for the appropriateness of their full votes being reestablished now is no different then Clinton’s basically. She argued party unity and the concern it will cost the Democrats in the Fall.”
My response:
You do bring up a great argument which highlights the unique quandary that the Democratic party membership found themselves in when all this broke out earlier in the primaries. In fact, I remember wondering just how it would be resolved and apparently the party leadership came to the conclusion that the 1/2 vote scheme was acceptable. Your proposal, to give them full seating toward the end of the primaries, may have changed the outcome in the nominating race. So the party was very torn on this issue, and Obama could not have conceded to Hillary at that time without disrespecting the party rules, which could have turned some of his own supporters away from him – maybe not – but the point is the party leadership was going to do what it thought was best anyway. I believe Hillary would have done the same if the shoe had been on the other foot, but who knows?
On your point that the party unity argument is no different than Clinton’s, then indeed, if I understand your point correctly, Obama and Clinton are in agreement on this issue.
Thank you for posting a thoughtful response to my musing on this latest issue. This really is a great race this year!
Cheers

Dan,
Do you believe in momentum? Do you not think that having those delegated not seated from the start changed the momentum? Who knows what would have happened, it could very well be so different. That aside, BO didn’t wanted them seated so he could win, and now he wants then fully seated?? What an arrogant hot filled shirt! Any Hillary supported should very well be outraged, and NEVER vote for BO! He stinks!

Obama didn’t need those delegates to clinch the nomination but he cried to John Dean, who gave in and proceeded to disenfranchise thousands of voters who voted for Clinton to appease his favorite Obama. And as a resident of MI, I don’t even want to hear how we “broke the rules.” Yeah, how DARE we vote ahead of another state…what a stupid rule!
Obama is only saying this now because he needs the state of MI in the election. If he really cared about MI voters, he should have allowed Hillary Clinton all the delegates who voted for her instead of whining for something he didn’t work for and didn’t deserve.

Nice tag line Good Leader.
I agree.
Clinton or McCain. NEVER Obama.

Catleya -
Thank you for reading my post.
“Did you follow the case from many months ago?”
I did, as much as I could. It was a depressing development within the party membership, and I believe most rank and file Democrats who were undecided at the time were very torn and upset. I think what the party wants to see now is a President who espouses Democratic ideals. I believe either Obama or Hillary fit the bill. Their agreement on basic Democratic ideals is not questioned seriously by the party membership.
But Obama is the presumptive nominee and an Obama presidency and administration would guarantee that the party, with control of Congress in Democratic hands, would start to move the country away from the track it is on right now, which appears to be war and recession.
I honor and applaud Hillary and believe she may be President some day.
In the meantime, I will be voting for Obama because I agree with his position on a majority of the issues.
Cheers!

Posted by: jock59801 | Aug 4, 2008 2:15:53 AM
not when we write in hillary, do not vote, or vote mccain in november!
PUMA

Obama is beyond an egomaniac. I am a Dem who was a supporter of Hillary. I have decided today to VOTE MCCAIN because the last straw was Obama’s letter asking for the all the MI and FL delegates to be seated!! But when he was losing in the primary he said NO WAY. I honestly believe this guy has lost touch with reality and thinks that anything he says people believe!!
No for him to replace the American flag for that ridicules O? And his seat with again the O and no flag?
Hey Obama — as far as I know we still have an election in this country. And guess what? There is a huge working class vote that is not buying what you are selling even though the media is so obvious for you.
No wonder Obama is panicking because the race is tied! He won’t take answers from the public and debate McCain man-to-man. Also what the hell does he stand for? His positions are over the place.
He is a goner another great pick by the men at the DNC!!!

For the Obama campaign, January 2008 was the ‘Audacity of Hope’, now it is the ‘Audacity of Hype’. Later this month, it will be the ‘Audacity of Loss’.
Anyone except Obama, even Paris or Britany.

Shadow -
Thank you for reading my post.
As to your question: “Do you believe in momentum?”
Yes, I think it is a valid argument you are making that the momentum may have changed the outcome if the delegates earned by Hillary had been seated in June.
As to your statement:
“Any Hillary supporter should very well be outraged, and NEVER vote for Barack Obama!”
I think a Hillary supporter has to ask him/herself what it means to support Hillary Clinton. I heard her concession speech and she asked her supporters to support and vote for Barack Obama. So, I think a Hillary supporter should vote for Barack Obama.
As to their outrage, well, they will have that, but an undecided would probably not consider that in casting his/her vote. I may be wrong here, but once again, I believe Hillary and Barack agree on basic democratic principles. So an undecided may not care about the outrage felt by Hillary supporters.
Hillary supporters, outraged or not, have to ask themselves how much their outrage should be weighed against the possibility of a McCain Presidency, Administration, and future judiciary.
My gut feeling is they can lay aside the anger to get the Democratic Party back into control of the government.
I hope they do.
Cheers.

Actually if all the popular votes had been counted at the end of the primaries, Senator Clinton had 500,000 more votes than Obama. Go and check it out. It was the corrupted caucuses that gave delegates to Obama.

People are starting to realize how pathological this man is…he really believes the hype! More than egomania, it’s narcissism that would be dangerous in the Oval Office. We’ve seen what that can do!

Michelle -
As to your comment:
“There is a huge working class vote that is not buying what you are selling even though the media is so obvious for you.”
I would like to understand what you mean by the “working class vote.” Because that is an interesting point. If you mean blue collar workers (painters, construction, auto-workers, etc.) then I think an undecided in this group might vote their pocket book in the hopes that expanded government programs would result in more work for them in this recession economy. Democrats are behind this general concept and have promised these programs. It would help, then, to have a President who would support the blue collar voters. So I think they may want to choose Obama for this reason.
If by “working class voters” you mean white collar workers such as most Americans (tellers, grocery store workers, office managers, well – just about most of us!) then I believe an undecided would evaluate where they are in this recession economy and consider Obama for the same reason.
You are correct about the media, but media also has strong interests in telecommunications fields and have to consider what impact an Obama Presidency and Democratic congress would have on freedom of speech and access to the public in those business areas. But ultimately they are about making money, and they are going to play the candidate that people will watch.
With no disrespect to Mr. McCain, more people are interested in Obama, even if he is puffery, etc. McCain has not been able to excite people the way Obama has.
But again, I don’t think an undecided would be concerned about this when casting his/her vote. Those people are going to go to the websites of the candidates, research their positions, and vote for the one that they believe stands for what they believe in on certain issues.
I will be voting for Obama because he espouses the ideals of the Democratic party.
I’m happy to see him being received so warmly by the rest of the world (not all, of course) and I think it is important for America to re-kindle it’s friendship with Europe. It looks like people like him, yes, but like all Presidents he will make enemies.
Cheers!

Dan,
Do you not see that the rest of the world (more or less) likes him as he shares the same values and principals as they do? He doesn’t respect the American values, and our way of life. They have NEVER been proud to be Americans through out their lives, until they think he is all that and more!NOBAMA now or ever!

Shadow -
As to your comment:
“Do you not see that the rest of the world (more or less) likes him as he shares the same values and principals as they do?”
Okay, I’ll answer, but this is the last time because I have to work.
Anyway, yes, I do realize that Europeans appear to like Obama, and yes, it’s probably because he shares their principles and values.
Only, I don’t think that’s a bad thing because I share some of those same principles and values, many of them espoused by the Democratic Party, of which I am a member. Now I’m not saying I have all their values or principles. America is a unique country in terms of its political history and our system of checks and balances will always weigh upon my mind against those European values which do conflict with this.
As to your comment:
“He doesn’t respect the American values, and our way of life. They have NEVER been proud to be Americans throughout their lives”
An undecided would have to ask themselves what “American values” and “our way of life” are to see things your way. Now I believe that these two things “values” and “way of life” are open to much evaluation and debate, so for me it’s hard to use that as a measuring stick. I don’t question Obama’s patriotism, nor do I question McCains, so this is a non-issue for me. An undecided may have a different take on this.
As for whether or not Obama is “proud” to be an American, again, I don’t question his pride, nor that of Michelle. And nor do I question McCain’s. I think most undecideds don’t take this argument seriously.
But if one were to believe that the Obamas are not proud to be American, I can see why. I for one was not proud and am not proud of what we have done in Iraq (hear me out, please) and so, on the issue of the war in Iraq, yes, I am ashamed to be an American. But being ashamed does not mean that I don’t love my country. It just means I have a disagreement with what we did there.
An undecided who shares my disagreement might be inclined to vote for Obama in spite of the “pride” issue.
Many thanks,
Cheers!

Good night all!

I have supported Obama over Hillary, and I consider this to be a cheesy move. If it was invalid to seat them a few months ago, and it was, why is it valid now to seat them?
I’m rapidly moving away from Obama becasue he is shifting position on issues on a daily basis.

I’m not crazy aabout Obama either with all his position shifts.
But anyone who has bothered to check his voting record in recent years knows McCain is neither a maverick nor a centrist.

This really isn’t any surprise, and is entirely justifiable.
When the nomination was still up for grabs, it was entirely wrong for two states that had broken the rules of the DNC to have such an important part in the process. [Especially I mihgt add with prominent members of the Clinton campaign happy to arguie a clearly biassed position in front of the committee they are members of and then vote for there candidate (yes I am talking about you Mr Ickes, your head should be firmly bowed in shame!)
Now though, the primary process is over and there is a clear, though narrow, winner. The party needs to come together, so lets help it come together.

Posted by: markymark | Aug 4, 2008 5:49:29 AM
bho and his dnc,pelosi, reid, kerry, kennedy supporters have torn this party apart! there will be no unity. denver may look like a love fest, but only because the PUMA are not there.
hillary must not cut-off-her-nose-to-spite-her-fsce, so she must support bho to stay viable in the party.
were it mine to choose, i would love her to run as a third party(fifth party) candidate! i have no doubt she would do really, really well. now she could win back the reagan dems!

Obama makes me sick. Just give him a star at Graumans CHinese theater and be done with it.

When BO won, I reluctantly said I’d support him, even though I was a Hillary supporter. I thought he was still, the lesser of two evils. Now, I have changed my mind. This guy is clearly pathological, and the flip flops are getting out of hand. Not sure what I will do in November, but BO is not getting my vote. Count me in the PUMA ranks. Gotta stay true to myself. The democrats really mucked this up good.

What a little man!!! He fought tooth and nail to keep them out of the primaries bacause if they were counted Hillary would win. Now he needs those two states and he suddenly realizes their votes do count!!! Give me a break, if you pump all the BS out of Barack Obama you could bury the rest of him in a match box.

What a shame for Democrat Party to nominee a candidate who flips and flops all the time for his own advantage?

stock-craft, good point. Hillary could still get the nomination, but she has not filed the papers to the DNC since her opponent had the most delegate. I would be elated to see the DNC come to its senses and nominate her. If she is not the nominee, based on all the new information since the primaries we now know about Obama, I’m more likely to vote GOP this year. McCain is looking better every day!

Hmm…so Obama managed to beat Clinton based on his position on the war (which he changed post-primary) and his position on health care (which he changed post-primary). He was also able to beat her because there was no hype or credibility for the Michigan and Florida delegates. And let’s not forget playing the race card against Bill Clinton himself. If Clinton had won the MI and FL delegates, she would have won the primary. The superdelegates wouldn’t have changed their loyalty. There would have been a bigger hype for her wins and she wouldn’t have looked like a whiner for trying to make them count. Not only that…but shouldn’t she win by default now that Obama has changed his position to match hers? Oh wait…she also won the popular vote. Why don’t we give her the nomination?

This is really sad. I’ve been writing on these blogs since february about my support for Hillary and how I did not trust Barack. I am sorry to say that I have been more right than ever (I was wishing he was better than this, quite frankly, since he’s our nominee). There is no justice anymore in the world. Only the slickest will get to the top. I am not going to vote in this election with Barry on the ballot.

If they are seated does that not mean Hilary won!! since she suspended her campaign not pull out!
Obama was adament that they not count now he is flopping!!
He has turned the voters of Florida and Michagan into puppets, when they counted he did not want them to count but now that probably Hilary said she would not compete he wants to count them

All you Republicans posing as Democrats posting here: 90% of Hillary’s supporters are now voting for Obama, the other 10% are the “normal” number (based on past elections) who vote for the other party for one reason or another. The Obama presidency will be a change for the better, and the Clintons support Obama all the way.

Beckie
No doubt, hubris will rule the day in the Obama camp and thus spilling over to the convention… if you watched Tonights “race for the white house” Buchanan said and gene robinson agreed that Obama played right into Mccains ads about britney etc last week… he said it was in bad taste but it did its job of infuriating these left wing fringe that think they finally have a front row seat at the dem convention…

Clinton Supporter 50 Year BF:
I’m writing in Sen. Clinton’s name on my Ballot. My Daddy told me to watch People that talk too much. Obama you better call my Girl see if she can throw you a life line. Been Dem all my life if no Hillary voting for McCain at least he is honest about who he is. When I like a Republican better than a Black Dem That’s saying alot. My 19 year old Son loves Hillary he says she is stronge and smart just like his Moma. You idiots at Dem Headquarters you picked the Weaker Candidate you Dummies did not notice the GOP was afraid of Hillary? FL Mi do not fall for it. Like a dull Knife just ain’t cutting it talking Loud and saying nothing. Sen Obama didn’t visit the Troops cause you could not get TV coverage. Boo My Family all Dems retired Military they mad at me for not Voting for Obama. I don’t care what my Mother ordered me to do!

Audacity. The guy is unbelievable. It’s amazing how after a bit of time passes and he quietly (was it a big story on the national news? or did his letter just leak out?) changes his stance on something like this – “for the good of the party” – and people are going to go along with it and forget how adamantly his people argued against it when it might have helped Hillary’s chances. “How big of him.” “How sensible.” “Wouldn’t want to disenfranchise voters in such important states.”
I think the voters of Michigan and Florida are being played here. Where was his concern for “party unity” throughout the Spring? or on May 31st at the RBC meeting? or when he took his name off the ballot in Michigan to begin with?
Are the delegates aware of this power play? Are they all under his spell too?
I am so sick of him, but nothing he does surprises me any more. He is a slick operator.

Don’t worry, Clinton supporters: You’ll get another chance to put Hillary in the White House four years from now.