Obama Attempts to Explain Shift on Offshore Drilling
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., fought back against the perception that he’s shifted away from his opposition to off-shore oil drilling by suggesting he softened his position as a compromise toward a broader energy policy.
Obama first indicated Friday in an interview with the Palm Beach Post that he would be willing to compromise on his opposition to off-shore drilling, and would consider expanding the current drilling boundaries — if it was part of a plan to make the country more energy independent by developing more fuel-efficient cars and alternative energy sources.
Today, at a press availability in Cape Canaveral, Fla., Obama said that his comments weren’t a shift.
“This wasn’t really a new position. What I’m saying is that we can’t drill our way out of the problem,” he told reporters. “And if we can come up with a genuine bi-partisan compromise in which I have to accept some things I don’t like, or the Democrats have to accept some things that they don’t like, in exchange for actually moving us in the direction of energy independence, then that is something I am open to.”
On Friday, the bi-partisan “Gang of 10” group of senators unveiled a compromise energy plan that would include opening areas of the Gulf of Mexico and southeast Atlantic to drilling –- in addition to raising taxes on major oil companies. Part of the plan also includes oil exploration 50 miles off of Florida’s coastline –- a state that is an important battleground in the general election.
Obama said that while he hasn’t seen the Gang of 10’s final legislation, he understood it has some aggressive elements that could move America in the direction of energy independence.
“I think is a positive step, so there are a whole bunch of good things that have been proposed by this bi-partisan group," Obama said. "I remain skeptical of some of the drilling provisions, but I will give them credit that the way they crafted the drilling positions are about as careful and responsible as you might expect for a drilling agenda.”
Obama said while he is opening the door to a compromise, he will not support a plan that suggests drilling is the answer to the nation’s energy problems.
Obama’s softening of his position will likely play into the hands of the McCain campaign, which has been framing Obama as “Dr. No” on energy issues.
Today, the McCain campaign suggested Obama still has farther to move on the issue of offshore drilling.
“It’s clear that members of both parties are following John McCain’s leadership toward an ‘all of the above’ approach on energy that includes nuclear, alternative energy and off shore drilling," said Tucker Bounds, a McCain spokesman. "We hope Barack Obama will realize that his ongoing opposition to John McCain’s realistic energy solutions and additional offshore drilling is wrong.”
Obama said that in the end the shift on offshore drilling shouldn’t be a political one.
“What I’m interested [in], ultimately, is going to be governing," he said. "And what that means is that we’re going to try to get things done. … At some point, people are going to have to make decisions: Are we going to keep on arguing or are we going to get some things done?”
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I just think that Obama is being pratical.
If there is an energy bill in which Dems and Repubs can compromise with that includes what he has proposed to get us off oil such as increased mileage in cars, hybrid cars, windfall oil taxes for research, etc, he would be willing to accept some limited off-shore drilling.
I don’t have a problem with that.
The art of compromise.
Posted by: Sandy | August 2, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
I think this is a brilliant move. He is taking away the one econimic issue that has been gaining traction for Republicans.
If they no longer have that, then what are they left with? Complaining about higher taxes for oil companies? That’s a real winner.
And the political damage from shifting positions would be minimal since McCain shifted also.
Man, this guy is smart. He may be a “rock star”, but he is a pretty good politician.
Posted by: awmahn | August 2, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Unlike the writer who says that Obama’s shift plays into McCain’s hands, I think the opposite.
Obama has just taken an issue off the table. Also, it shows that he is willing to compromise to get ACTION in Washington to attend to people’s problems rather deadlock.
It is interesting that many on the left agree with Obama on this.
Posted by: Sandy | August 2, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Obama is right its about time the dems and repubs compromise to come to an agreement on our energry crisis and obama says he is willing to compromise thats great he is willing to work across the aisle as potus to do whats right for us GREAT PRESIDENT HE WILL BE !!!!
Posted by: ANGIE | August 2, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
What in the heck does this guy stand for?
Posted by: Paul | August 2, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
I agree with Awmahn.
It is a brilliant move. The one issue that the Repubs have that they could campaign on is off the table now.
Now Obama can continue to campaign to increase jobs, improve healthcare, social security stability, etc.
Posted by: Sandy | August 2, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
I don’t think it is an attempt to explain a shift. I think what he said was that they may need to compromise if they wanted to get things done.
When was the last time you heard that? McCain is going to slam him for working across the isle?
I agree though that off shore drilling will amount to nothing, we are better served by coming to terms with the need to shift to alternatives, for a number of reasons, including cost, availability, and environmental concerns connected with oil.
Posted by: Thinking | August 2, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
This guy is frightening. He is so new to the political scene and he has already flip-flopped on almost every issue of substance. What does he stand for? Obviously even he doesn’t know.
A Democrat who is paying attention.
Posted by: Paul | August 2, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
I read this to say that President Obama wouldn’t veto such legislation and Senator Obama would not show up to vote on such legislation
Posted by: TheNumantine | August 2, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Wow, he’s a genius. Why didn’t I think of this??
Posted by: Alan | August 2, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Who is Obama? What does he stand for? Where is his experience? Why on earth should he be president?
Dem for McCain
Posted by: Susan | August 2, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Zack,
Both Obama and McCain have flipped on off-shore drilling. McCain did it in June and Obama has done it in August.
McCain has also flipped on the Iraq War from wanting to stay there for 100 years to now getting closer to Obama’s proposal of a 16 month timetable.
I just think that both Obama and McCain are being practical.
It’s callled compromising.
Posted by: Sandy | August 2, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Sandy,
I have to disagree. Obama has zero political experience. He had only been in the senate for 1 year when he ran for office. If he his flip-flopping all over the place why would anyone feel comfortable voting for him? What would they be voting for? his stardom?
NO socialites in the White House!
Democrat for McCain!
Posted by: Zack | August 2, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Obama – find out what the polls are saying and then take the popular position. Next, explain away your prior stance. Word if carefully so your followers don’t detect yet another change.
This is NOT the Obama that won the primaries.
Posted by: Truman | August 2, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Anyone who thinks this plays well for McCain listens to too many sound-bites.
Posted by: Daniel, Louisiana | August 2, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
See this for what it is. It is Obama trying to have it both ways.
He changed his mind because he was starting to hurt in the polls, and the great majority of Americans support off-shore drilling. At the same time, he doesn’t want to turn away environmentalists, like Gore, who greatly oppose this.
So basically, he comes up with: I support it in the name of compromise, not in spirit.
In reality, he shifted SOLELEY because his popularity has started to wane as a result of impractical policy.
If you can’t see this clear as day, you need to check yourself into a mental institution.
Posted by: JA | August 2, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Uh, so compromise is now bad? He said clearly he didn’t think offshore drilling will help, but how else do you expect the Dems to get anything done when they only have a narrow majority? Vote for more Dems in Congress and you won’t see as much compromise with Republicans, simple as that ;-)
Posted by: jesse | August 2, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
wow, obama is actually saying he may need to actually “compromise” on the issues??!! this guy is brilliant!!!
Posted by: tim | August 2, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Obama promises a lot but is short on details unless he’s firmly pressed to do so. Then, we discover he’s cloning himself after McCain.
Posted by: Truman | August 2, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
jesse…
vote for more dems in congress and you will see continued higher gas prices. simple as that.
Posted by: tim | August 2, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
I thought it was exactly the right thing to do and say. That they need to drill where we gave them already…
and I wouldn’t be surprised if he says…not only will we open more areas if we see significant movement and ethics with how you drill in the areas we gave…but if you don’t drill in the areas we gave you that have oil (Just not the windfall profits that you are trying to raise by finding even better loscations) then we are going to slap you with a windfall profits tax and take those areas away and give them to companies that will.
Posted by: dl | August 2, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
If there are votes in it, Obama is definitely for it. Especially after the tire inflation position was doa …
Posted by: beebop | August 2, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
JA…
you’re absloultely, without a doubt, correct. the majority of americans want us to drill. people are pissed, and pressure is being applied to congress to act. republicans are BEGGING at this point for pelosi and the dems to actually work on this. but, of course, they are playing election time politics. playing games with the american people. now, due to the growing pressure, obama changes his tune. based soley on POLLS on what the american people want. this guy has absolutley no backbone and is a puppet. i just cant believe he has suppoters like he does.
Posted by: tim | August 2, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Many Americans have been conned into believing that off-shore drilling will have some effect on oil prices.
It won’t.
Many Americans don’t live near the coasts where the drilling takes place. I think you’ll find the people that actually live anywhere near where the drilling will take place overwhelmingly oppose the idea.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
SW Missouri:
I’m right there with you on the Cheney Energy bill. You do know that of the two remaining candidates, only Obama voted FOR it and McCain voted AGAINST it, right?
So don’t assume that McCain, as a republican is the big bad guy here. Obama is the one getting “bundles” from the oil and gas guys ….
Posted by: beebop | August 2, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
MKoch,
More ignorant comments from you. Off-shore drilling will increase supply, putting downward pressure on prices. Getting the oil will take at least 3 years for the first ones to come online, but future expectation of a supply increase decreases prices NOW (study the markets and economics if you don’t understand this).
Additionally, producing oil at home will keep money in the US rather than sending it to the Middle East.
Finally, I feel no sympathy for those who live on the coasts in multi-million dollar houses. We have to think of America as a whole, not just a subset of it.
Posted by: JA | August 2, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
I appreciate your analysis of my intelligence, JA.
However, needing to resort to ad hominem attacks is usually considered to reveal a weakness in your reasoning skills, not intellectual superiority.
I’d like to know YOUR standard of discerning a legitimate compromise from a pandering position, and while your at explain to me how McCain hasn’t “compromised” on nearly every single issue.
I can link to a list if you would like to study the information in more depth.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
If McCain can change his mind about timeline for Iraq troops withdrwal, why can’t Obama change his mind about offshore oil drilling.
I don’t recall there being a series of major polls that showed Americans overwelmingly supported timetables for withdrawals discussed right before McCain changed his mind.
Posted by: Esther | August 2, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
JA
He is not flip flopping…
he is saying we do not open up the shores because the oil company lobby is telling us they need more places with oil…all the while they have shown there is oil where they already have permission to drill and they are not really drilling.
They want the best case scenario and John mcCain’s advisors and the oil lobby are spending a lot of money to get the federal regulations rolled back for them …so they can go after state officials with that same amount of money and lobbying…
think about the shark fest that will happen on the state level with small time local political officials if the gates get opened to the oil lobby.
Obama is saying I will hold that carrot out there…but he is saying what McCain isn’t…”Oil companies…you need to drill where your profit margin may not be as great but stalling on those acres because you see abetter profit margin in more areas…isn’t going to happen anymore”
either you drill in the areas we gave you (which HAVE OIL no matter how the republicans want to spin it) or we are going to slap you not only with a windfall profits tax that will go to coming up with alternative fuels and the ailing car companies…but we will start taking that acreage away from you and giving it to companies that will drill.
now why hasn’t McCain said that?
becasue he is to busy spinning it for his lobbyist political team that came over fromthe Bush Cheney administration…because that is the team he has to use for a republican run at the white house.
and that is the truth.
Posted by: dl | August 2, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
It is flip-flop
Obama is a flip-flopper
Nothing more – a candidate without an agenda who hops a ride on the nearest poll.
Posted by: Truman | August 2, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
MKoch,
I am not here to defend McCain. Without a doubt he is a flip flopper as well. Unfortunately, this has already been priced into the McCain brand. And now, unfortunately, it is being priced into the Obama brand.
Take away Obama’s “new politics” and what are you left with? An empty suit, full of rhetoric, with little experience and no major life accomplishments.
Recognize the truth. You voted for a concept – and concept who is changing his colors by the day.
Posted by: JA | August 2, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
If this is a window into what an Obama presidency will be like then he has my vote. The good sense to accomodate the diverging views of both your opposition and your allies within the framework of a comprehensive bill that will move the country forward is what has been missing in Washington for a very long time. This is exactly what he has been sayong he will do. And I wouldn’t bee too worried about a rush to drill new offshore oil,leases. Even with the high price of oil once alternatives, solar, wind, second gen biodiesel and hydrogen kick in at scale it will be economically too expensive anyway.
Posted by: Randy | August 2, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
first off, im not a huge supporter of john mccain either. its a lesser of two evils vote again. but let me say this…. changing your mind on a troop pullout is different than changing your mind on drilling for oil! the war situation is changing from day to day. its hard to set a “deadline” on the unpredictable. the oil situation is different. most people have their idea of how to deal with the energy crisis. its more of a fundamental idea versus a situation that is constantly changing. but obama, changed his mind simply due to THE POLLS. the guy dosnt stand for anything.
Posted by: tim | August 2, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
JA, I didn’t vote for Obama… yet.
I don’t know what sort of leader he would be.
He is able to string together two sentences without sounding like a moron, though.
I do know what kind of leaders Republicans have been for the last 8 years, and I know who’s been steering the ship that got us into this situation in the first place.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
dl
I don’t believe any of those people are oil lobbyists. Can you name your source? Thanks!
Posted by: Truman | August 2, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Would you rather have a leader that graduated at the top of his class, or one that graduated at the bottom of his class and is very very very old.
Posted by: gpabud | August 2, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
with 70+% of the amerian population (as per recent polls) in favor of drilling, of coarse obama is going to compromise if he wants to win this election.
Posted by: sonia trevino | August 2, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Whenever McCain supporters run out of ideas they start hurling insults, just like their candidate who will rather run a series of vacous “swift boat” Ads rather that discuss issues.
The game is up. You can fool some people sometimes, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. McCains pathetic attempt at swift boating ain’t gonna work this time.
Posted by: Rick | August 2, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
The article title is misleading. I see no shift in policy. Obama still opposes offshore drilling. He’s simply using it as a bargaining chip to get what he wants. Sounds smart to me.
This compromise idea calls the GOP’s bluff. Even they know offshore drilling won’t do anything. If they compromise on that issue, they’ll end up giving Obama what he wants, and end up getting something they never really wanted that much.
- Independent against Irrationality
Posted by: Benjamin Steffen | August 2, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
I like that Obama is talking about compromise. When Bush was running he talked about being bipartisan in Texas, but in office has never really made anything like a compromise on a substantice issue. I think its goping to take a President prepared to compromise to make a difference. And the GOP seem to be saying that Off shore oil is going to solve all the problems of the US, and I think actually waht Obama is saying is right, in that it won’t solve all the problems.
Posted by: markymark | August 2, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
And just to be clear, I see that Obama has clearly stated that he is willing to support SOME off shore drilling even though he opposes it IF it will get Congress to accept some other additional goals.
I would consider this compromise, not flip-flopping. Flip-flopping would accepting off-shore drilling with no limits and championing it as some sort of solution.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Obama will take all McCain’s policies. That is his change.
Posted by: alex | August 2, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Another interesting point to consider is that, again, historically, the people who could be most damaged by drilling – people on the coastlines – have been against drilling.
There is reason to give them a larger say in the overall vote, because they have to deal with the consequence, whereas others don’t.
(I have the same opinion about nuclear waste storage too. It’s very easy to say stick in someone else’s backyard, when the consequences won’t ever effect YOU.)
But now, for the first time, just this month, a slim majority is willing to accept off shore drilling. If a candidate is exercising the will of the people, wouldn’t that mean it would be a GOOD thing to change his stand?
(Damn those flip-flopping American citizens! Can’t they make up their minds and stick to it?)
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Mkoch Just like McCain supports some off shore drilling. He’s not for drilling everywhere possible. So both of these candidates feel now it’s the right direction to go now. Both opposed drilling and now willing to compromise. McCain just came to that conclusion a little sooner and moved in that direction sooner I guess- just like the surge.
Posted by: alpaig52 | August 2, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
alex Why not take McCain’s policies?
He’s already taken Clintons.
Posted by: alpaig52 | August 2, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
alpaig52
they didn’t coome to the same conclusion
Mccain wants to lift the federal ban on offshore drilling altogether…Obama wants to expand the area we already gave them after theyb ahve shown they drilled and are willing to not sit on those areas.
Lifting the federal ban is what the oil lobby wants then they can take their billions of lobbying money and go after small time state officials.
think about that…small time state officials with billions of dollars being waved in front of them.
there is a big difference and Obama is right…Mccain is acting on the oil compnaies behalf.
Posted by: dl | August 2, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Add another flip-flop to his list — well he is known for that already. Why did he start talking about compromise now, not two weeks ago, now one month ago? He was so strong against off-shore drilling. What made the change?
Posted by: Amy | August 2, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Actually, alpaig52, if you read carefully, you’ll see Obama doesn’t support off shore drilling, but he’s willing to accept it in order to get other measures in place.
Not quite the same thing.
And, again, please note that government studies have clearly determined that the drilling will have no financial effect until 2030 and even then the effect will be minimal.
It may be the psychological effect will have more impact on the market, though.
Oil prices dropped massively recently, and we don’t really know why. Barrel prices actually went up when demand was dropping in the US. There are a lot of components that affect the market.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
thanks Mkoch
sometimes it is really frustrating to the extent that Mccain supporters will just make stuff up and not go do the research that Obama supporters keep screaming for them to do…ugh.
and we wonder why we ended up where we are.
Posted by: dl | August 2, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Mkoch
most economists are saying it was because we are using less.
not this stupid idea of Bush approving the oil lobby’s call for dropping the federal ban giving them access to all shorelines through the defense of small state officials.
Posted by: dl | August 2, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Amy, the bi-partisan committee coming out with a compromise is what made the change. He’s saying he will support it, with reservations, if the other measures go with it.
I know “flip-flop” accusations worked well in the past, but that really only works against a guy who doesn’t (or seems not to) do it. That doesn’t wash in this election .
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Looks like our boy OBAMA is out stealing
ideas from John McCain. Our boy has
tried to steal a lot of other ideas from
the opposing party too. WHAT A GUY..???
As for his: “..they are trying to make
you afraid of me..” You can’t tell me
that an intelligent man who is educated
at the best schools tried to use this…
OBAMA SHOULD QUIT NOW AND DON’T DISGRACE
HIS PARTY ANY FURTHER…
Posted by: chasbo | August 2, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
dl -
A $20 drop over a few weeks? Perhaps.
Actually, the analysis I read was market jitters, caused by several factors.
I actually think Gore’s speech shook things up a little, too. Calling for an end to fossil fuels within 10 years briefly seemed possible. A worthy goal, even if it only partially succeeded. A nice price drop right afterwards could quiet that kind of talk.
And it did.
I have no evidence for that, it was just an observation.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Chasbo -
Obama is doing fine and he’s winning me over. He’s not taking McCain’s position at all, he’s simply willing to compromise to get what he feels is the solution.
I don’t think you have the best interests of the Democratic Party in mind, at all.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
The McCain Bush Oil drilling idea will do nothing. This is why.
Oil companies already have more then 70 million acre of drillable oil land. The fact of the matter is that the Oil companies do not have the equipment to drill more land and do not want to.
Oil companies spend around 55% of their profits on speculation, stock buy backs and executive pay. If the GOP would support Obama’s and the Dem’s anti-speculation legislation then we could see some real solutions getting passed.
This same thing happen with Enron. The government in California allowed speculators who were reducing supply, and getting rich to create the energy policy. We all know how that turned out. So please lets not repeat history.
Posted by: Sam | August 2, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Obama did not shift on policy.
People stop listening to the slanted media. Don’t let the media get you to believe in lies.
Obama does not support the GOP’s Oil Interest drilling idea. Obama is just willing to come together and compromise in order to get the actual solutions that he supports passed so that American’s can feel relieve.
Posted by: Fred | August 2, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
There’s another important angle that the media fails to talk about, which is that gas prices are also dependent on refining capabilities. Energy companies have been known to manipulate their refining capabilities to control prices. Again, this was a part of both the Enron and California electricity crisis. They came about through deregulation and relaxation of oversight. (Not unlike the housing crisis.)
What free marketers don’t seem to understand is that it’s not a free market, it never has been and it never will be as long as those with power and money have the ability to manipulate it.
That was where Hamilton’s genius showed through. He set up a system that played people’s self interest against each other. Government oversight was a vital part of that. Only politicians need to keep the people happy to stay in office, CEO’s don’t.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Truman, could you explain to me where dl is wrong, because all of my research seems to support him.
Could you back up you accusations with a link or two, please?
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
“Alternative Energy” isn’t the cure-all people think it is. What happens if we have most of our energy supplied by wind and solar and it’s cloudy out and the wind doesn’t blow?
Nuclear and coal is still our cheapest and reliable supply of energy.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Does this sound like Obama or what?
a sophistical rhetorician inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Alternative energy isn’t supposed to be a cure all. What if it only reduced our consumption by 10%? 20% How would that affect gas prices?
Nuke coal and oil are cheap, yes, but we’ve had over 100 years making it cheap. What if we geared our technology in another direction? All resources are more costly at first and reduce in price as it becomes more popular. (iPhones?)
Oil and coal are limited to what we have right now on the planet. It will, eventually, run out.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Off shore oil drilling is not a bad idea, I view it as protection against world oil shocks. Just in case 8 to 10 yrs from now, we encounter some global emergency and we need oil supplies closer to the U.S.. In the very least we can quickly nationalize the Oil companies and make sure all the oil goes to the U.S.
We often compare everything to the perfect ideal, it helps us to envision the future, yet often blinds us to the practical means to create that future.
I think it would be best to commission a panel of scientists, engineers, and economists and energy experts to draw up a plan or at least at set of strategic goals and tactics we should follow.
Any plan or strategy should be well thought out, taking into account the potential and the limitations of current and near future technologies.
Posted by: Gonzo | August 2, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Pepsi -
I’m sorry if a politician who can string coherent thoughts together intimidates you.
Perhaps you prefer the current president?
Articulation is not his strong point.
You must feel more comfortable with that.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Hey MKoch, Is our coastlines that more important than Mexico’s, Brazil’s, Columbia or anyplace else? Why is it you don’t have a problem with other countries drilling offshore, just ours? Who would you rather have drilling offshore, a thrird world country or an American Company using the latest technology?
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Gonzo – how does this sound?
The first principle is that we can have an effective and comprehensive energy policy only if the government takes responsibility for it and if the people understand the seriousness of the challenge and are willing to make sacrifices.
The second principle is that healthy economic growth must continue. Only by saving energy can we maintain our standard of living and keep our people at work. An effective conservation program will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.
The third principle is that we must protect the environment. Our energy problems have the same cause as our environmental problems — wasteful use of resources. Conservation helps us solve both at once.
The fourth principle is that we must reduce our vulnerability to potentially devastating embargoes. We can protect ourselves from uncertain supplies by reducing our demand for oil, making the most of our abundant resources such as coal, and developing a strategic petroleum reserve.
The fifth principle is that we must be fair. Our solutions must ask equal sacrifices from every region, every class of people, every interest group. Industry will have to do its part to conserve, just as the consumers will. The energy producers deserve fair treatment, but we will not let the oil companies profiteer.
The sixth principle, and the cornerstone of our policy, is to reduce the demand through conservation. Our emphasis on conservation is a clear difference between this plan and others which merely encouraged crash production efforts. Conservation is the quickest, cheapest, most practical source of energy. Conservation is the only way we can buy a barrel of oil for a few dollars. It costs about $13 to waste it.
The seventh principle is that prices should generally reflect the true replacement costs of energy. We are only cheating ourselves if we make energy artificially cheap and use more than we can really afford.
The eighth principle is that government policies must be predictable and certain. Both consumers and producers need policies they can count on so they can plan ahead.
The ninth principle is that we must conserve the fuels that are scarcest and make the most of those that are more plentiful. We can’t continue to use oil and gas for 75 percent of our consumption when they make up seven percent of our domestic reserves. We need to shift to plentiful coal while taking care to protect the environment, and to apply stricter safety standards to nuclear energy.
The tenth principle is that we must start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
MKoch, you said that we couldn’t get oil for a while even if the ban was lifted… what about all those rigs sitting off the California coast that were in place when the ban was placed into affect. Thoose rigs could be producing within a year.
You also said… (I have the same opinion about nuclear waste storage too. It’s very easy to say stick in someone else’s backyard, when the consequences won’t ever effect YOU.)
Uh dude, I hate to break it to you but a lot of waste is already in everyone’s backyard. We are storing the used fuel rods outside in specially designed casks. We want to place it where it is totally safe… like under a mountain. It’s the democrats who are preventing us from storing it safely.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Pepsi -
I haven’t said I’m against offshore drilling. However, I don’t think it will solve the current problem.
The governments of Mexico, Brazil and Columbia don’t act like the US in many ways – I don’t understand the relevance.
By the way, when you wrote:
“Is our coastlines that more important”
Was that a Bush joke, like “Is our children learning?”
If so, tip of the hat for a subtle reference.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Actually, Pepsi, I said the government study said that there would be no effects from offshore drilling until 2030. I’m relying on other people’s research on that. In addition, the effect was reported to be a mere few cents per gallon.
I’m aware of the state of nuclear waste. I’d be curious if your opinion would change if you happened to live near the mountain. Incidentally, the assumption that burying it in a mountain is “totally safe” is a bit optimistic.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Alternative energy isn’t supposed to be a cure all. What if it only reduced our consumption by 10%? 20% How would that affect gas prices?
We don’t burn gasoline/oil for baseload electricity.
And how would alternative energy reduce demand? Batteries for cars aren’t alternative energy, batteries are a storage device. Currently, coal and nuclear cost around 6 cents/kw hr. Off the New Jersey coast, they are installing wind turbines. They are selling the electricity for 18.9 cents/kw hr… over triple the cost of nuclear or coal.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Anyway, my point was that I feel the people who DO live near the mountain have a bit more say than the people who DON’T live near the mountain, safety and politics aside. Likewise, I feel the people who have to DEAL with the oil spills have more say than the people who simply benefit from the oil, but don’t have to pay the price.
Whichever way they decide.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
The more Obama elevates the debate, the more McCain gets disoriented. Keep up the pressure Obama. The McCain meltdown is withing sight.
Posted by: Ray | August 2, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
I’m not disputing your facts on energy, Pepsi. I’m suggesting that if we improve the technology, we can get better results and better costs.
The Prius is adding a solar panel on a future model. It won’t run the car, but it will generate enough power to run the AC, meaning it will use even less gas.
A cure all? No, but a good idea and a step in the right direction.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
“Doubtfull, since I’m currently appromimately 50 yards away from an operating core as I type…”
Well, if so, I admire your bravery and honesty.
I’m aware nuclear waste is a natural phenomenon, as is cancer, arsenic and electrical bolts out of the sky.
You’ll forgive me for not choosing to buddy up to any of those.
Anyway, as I stated before, my point was that I feel that the people who have to deal with the consequences have a bit more say than the ones who merely benefit.
Whichever direction they choose.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
MK, I also agree that we can get better results in the future but like I said before, green energy will never be totally reliable for a large chunk of our energy. The wind doesn’t always blow and the sun doesn’t always shine.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Agreed.
Personally, I think some new technology will eventually replace current ones.
And, at some point, I suspect we will find better ways to exploit nuclear energy. (That actually IS solar energy.)
But we need to look if we’re going to find, and I’d rather spend resources developing new tech than spending resources taking the remaining sources from other people.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
I’m aware nuclear waste is a natural phenomenon, as is cancer, arsenic and electrical bolts out of the sky.
No, you are swimming in a sea of NATURAL radioactivity. The bananas you eat are full of pottasium 41, the ‘lite salt’ will cause our radiation monitors to alarm, the granite on your kitchen counter contains uranium, welding rods and Coleman latern wicks contain radioactive thorium. The ceramic dishes you eat off of may be radioactive, if you smoke you inhale radioactivity… the list is endless…
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
And, at some point, I suspect we will find better ways to exploit nuclear energy. (That actually IS solar energy.)
Actually solar is Fusion… bringing atoms together… Fission which we use takes an atom and break it apart.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Yes, radiation within limits is a normal part of nature. Too much, however, causes cellular damage.
Your brain runs on electrical impulses, that does not mean sticking your finger in an electrical socket is a good idea.
Nor is wearing condoms covered in radium. (Real product in the 1930′s!)
I’m not wearing one.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
One accident could do a lot of damage, though…
Yes it could, that’s why we have multiple safety systems and numerous barriers to contain they radioactivity.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | August 2, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Actually, I’m aware of the difference between fusion and fission, I was simply being poetic. Thanks for the accuracy, though. I should be more careful.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
There are people who have considered opinions based on facts and evidence, and there are people who need to make things up and assign absurd reasoning in order to make their points and fuel their outrage.
A good clue is when they start to tell you what someone REALLY meant, or why they did a specific thing and somehow THEY are able to see through it and know the REAL reason behind it.
If you look up flaws in reasoning, you’ll find tools to analyze and dissect dishonest debaters.
Thanks to all for the conversations.
Posted by: MKoch | August 2, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Unbelieveable! OBama now realizes that 76% of the American people want to drill at Anwar and every other place we can find oil, so now he’s ALL FOR IT! My goodness, who could possibley want this man as our next President!!!????
Posted by: M. Summer | August 2, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
OBAMA is dead wrong on his judgement. he compromises his dead wrong bad judgement and he is the good guy. how stupid. Get rid of the guy from the get go. He was wrong and he knows it. His policy makes no sense at all. He will again show poor judgement. McCain has the good judgement. It looks like OBAMA is jumping on the Republican bandwagon. Republicans LEAD and Obama Follows.
Get the story straight. McCain Leads and Obama follows McCains superior leadership.
Posted by: DemocratNoMore2 | August 2, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Obama is always two steps out of touch. He’s completely abandoned his original stance of just about everything. Besides his incessant changes, he walks right by service men waiting in line for a photo-op and ignores the wounded in Germany.
This is not a nice person!
Posted by: Truman | August 2, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
First he’ll say it’s not a shift. Then he’ll say that we simply didn’t understand the nuances of his original position. And then, when not enough people buy those two explanations, he’ll admit that it WAS a shift. I am sooo tired of the “Obama three-step.”
Posted by: Charlie35 | August 2, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
i just to share this….. i am not voting for obama.
Posted by: purple | August 2, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
“Looks like our boy OBAMA is out stealing
ideas from John McCain”
Obama isn’t stealing ideas. He is compromising because the GOP won’t allow any real solutions to get passed. All the GOP wants to do is get their Oil buddies rich.
McCain is the one stealing Obama’s positions. Examples include Iraq timetable, Afghanistan and Diplomacy.
Posted by: Bill | August 2, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Agree with Purple. So this is the standard at which the general public argues? Give me elitists, at least they can be humiliated.
Posted by: supercake | August 2, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
Everything he says…….he ultimately changes his mind about. It makes no difference what it is….
He doesn’t have enough experience to know how to answer things appropriately. Even in Congressional sessions, he chose to not vote. He flip flops way too much for someone who professes to have some knowledge. He is scary……very scary.
Posted by: oicu | August 2, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
We fight and aruge about the most stupid issuess. We need to get back to what the real issues are in this country!!!! oil and less job
Posted by: doyle | August 2, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
“It is a brilliant move. The one issue that the Repubs have that they could campaign on is off the table now.
Now Obama can continue to campaign to increase jobs, improve healthcare, social security stability, etc.”
Interesting. I thought this was the rationale for his “compromise” on FISA. Health care, social security, etc, are all issues that “Repubs can campaign on”, will love to see your response when Obama makes “brilliant moves” on those issues.
Posted by: steve | August 2, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
i see we have some people here who like what bush and his buddy have been doing to improve this society over the past 8 years,the only bush i trust is my own
Posted by: newt ginger | August 2, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
i see we have some people here who like what bush and his buddy have been doing to improve this society over the past 8 years,the only bush i trust is my own
Posted by: newt ginger | August 2, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Caterpillar machine company is making super size tractors as fast as they can. Oil Shale is the reason,so THAT will come befor drilling I bet.
Posted by: jon old | August 2, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
What in the heck does this guy stand for?
Posted by: Paul | August 2, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
What in the heck does this guy stand for?
Posted by: Paul | August 2, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Barack’s shift on Offshore drilling – how he can still seize this issue
Now that Barack Obama position on offshore drilling is more flexible there are many that disagree with this shift. Rachael Maddow an MSNBC political analyst and a strong defender of Barack Obama against conservative analyst on a daily basis called this shift idiotic. I think she is wrong and I think in the immediate short term it was wise to do considering the majority of the american public is in agreement with the idea of offshore drilling. Although the majority of the american public are not fully aware (in my opinion) that offshore drilling is environmentally unsafe and will take years before anything positive happen at the gas pump, their desperation for relief has led the majority to believe that this is the solution.
After the shift by Barack Obama what next? I believe it is now time for Barack Obama to seize this issue with a new approach and a new plan in addition to what he has already proposed. A plan that is simple and easy, and offers immediate and realistic relief at the gas pump right away. It is also a plan that will put the Mccain camp on the defensive and force them to respond to an issue that Obama has put forward. If Obama fails to do this then Mccain will have won on this issue of who best can lower prices at the gas pump.
So what is this plan? Barack Obama need to speak daily this week proposing and pushing the need to release millions of barrels of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve. This is the plan and a new approach to solving the problems that ordinary americans are faced with because of the high price of oil. This needs to become Barack’s issue! An issue that will immediately help families and an issue Mccain, the republicans, the oil industry, and the white house will certainly disagree with. This will put them all on the defensive and change the discussion from offshore drilling which is a risky long term approach, to releasing oil right away which provides practical short term relief.
If George Bush could deplete the budget surplus he received from the Bill Clinton Presidency to finance an illegal and unjust war why can’t we use some of the oil in the strategic petroleum reserve to help bring relief to american families and citizens? I have posted below a link to a well thought out position on the need to release oil.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/07/eight_reasons_spr.html
Posted by: JohnR | August 2, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
now this is what being in America means, working together for the good of it’ people..
GO GO Obama 2008
Posted by: Jodie | August 2, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Paul,
He stands for trying to help you have a better America to live in.
Posted by: Jodie | August 2, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Why does everyone complain about flip-flopping, which is just the negative word for compromise? Compromise made the “Gang of 10″ proposal emerge, and we’ve seen where refusal to compromise gets us under the Bush administration.
Posted by: jake | August 2, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
LMAO … oh my gosh… lol …. it is amazing how Obama can do no wrong!! It is John McCain who is actually very conscious of the environment, who is for drilling together with other energy plans to make america energy dependent. And the Obama followers make it seem as this is a “novel” idea, example:
“The art of compromise” — You should perhaps look at both records in the Senate… john McCain is the only one of the two w/bipartisan record.
“If they no longer have that, then what are they left with? Complaining about higher taxes for oil companies? That’s a real winner.” — I will tell you what the Republicans have … a REAL LEADER w/REAL Solution. As opposed to the easily influenced and follower in Obama. McCain has taken the lead on all issues, which Obama has to later fall into line.
“And the political damage from shifting positions would be minimal since McCain shifted also.”… if you are talking about off-shore drilling… that was years ago when the economic of our country was different than now. OBAMA… he was against off-shore drilling (dead against it) on 07/30/08, two days later he’s for it.
“Man, this guy is smart. He may be a “rock star”, but he is a pretty good politician.” — GREAT POINT from an OBAMA supporter… a “politician”… though I would say an unscrupulous politician more than a good politician.
“It is interesting that many on the left agree with Obama on this.” — HELLO? Have you been up w/the news? It’s your moderate Democrats that have been siding w/the Repubs on this for a while. Only the EXTREME Left (which is Pelosi and Obama) who were against it. Pelosi (your party leader) turned off the lights on the Repubs when discussing this issue only yesterday.
“Obama is right its about time the dems and repubs compromise to come to an agreement on our energry crisis and obama says he is willing to compromise thats great he is willing to work across the aisle as potus to do whats right for us GREAT PRESIDENT HE WILL BE !!!!” — THIS is HYSTERICAL!! The only candidate who have NEVER crossed party line (compared to McCain Centrist and works well across party line)… and you’re talking “compromise” from Obama as a new art. Action speaks louder than words…
One of his campaign guys stated: “Our number one goal is to get elected. Do what we must now, and fix it later when Obama is president”… No LIE,…. I promise.
Posted by: KChicago | August 2, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
I am PUZZLED at how differently Conservatives and Liberals view things.
McCain has ALWAYS been great at working across party lines (as opposed to Obama).
Now, this “compromise” is a “revelation”… amazing! just amazing! The ability to flat out “SAY ANYTHING” and flat out lie w/a straight face that is Obama. I’ve never used a language so harsh. BUT, everything that goes around, will come around. There is a balance in this world…
I can only hope the voters will see this flat out manipulator in Obama comes November.
God Bless America and the citizens of our wonderful land of opportunity. For she understands the compassion and understanding of free market.
McCain ’08
Posted by: KChicago | August 2, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
i DON’T KNOW WHY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN’T BE LIKE THE BRAZILIANS THEY DO NOT USE ANY OIL FOREIGN OR OTHER WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. AS FOR FLIP FLOPPING WE ALL DO IT LAST YEAR SOMETHING SOUNDED GOOD THIS YEAR NOT SO GOOD. AND HAS ANYONE NOTICE HOW MUCH THE IDIOT IS DOING NOW FOR HIS CONSTITUENTS BY SIGNINMG BILLS INSTEAD OF VETOING THEM
Posted by: Rose Szymanski | August 2, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
Rose,
I really don’t know much about Brazil (I sadly admit)… but will look into it. I am completely for Alternative Energy and protecting our earth. But here are some questions that I truly don’t know about but I think is important in determining this issue:
(1) Is Brazil’s work industry like as large as ours?
(2) The usage of vehicles that use less fuel, I don’t think is very realistic as we often live so far from work, which would take forever to go to work w/a scooter… though I do own a hybrid. I’ve always liked scooters, but find them unsafe on the highways or large streets in general. If we live in a more dense location, that may be something that will work, and work better as cars are a hassle to drive in a confined space. but that isn’t the case here
I am voting McCain for many other beliefs I have… and really would rather have an alternative in drilling, but I don’t know if there is any other alternative … hence a well-rounded energy plan would be nice. All I know is I don’t want us be a “dependent” country… not on other countries… and not on our government.
Well, will be looking into Brazil out of curiosity, thx for the info.
Posted by: KChicago | August 2, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
OHbombUS is just another slimy politico willing to say anything or do anything to get electedRead the New Yorker article about please as it is VERY revealing). He is definately Change WE CAN’t Belive in! We should have stuck with Hillary thuth be known. This phony we have with no expirience is sure to hand victory to the repubs. I just wait for the next scandal to hit the front page about him. I am sure the enemy has plenty of scandal they are just waiting to unleash until after the convention in Denver–don’t be naive!!
Posted by: gdurant | August 3, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
Let us face it as Dems–it is back Hillary or we get devoured due to this empty suit clown.
Posted by: gdurant | August 3, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
Let us ditch this presumptuous presumptive bozo before it is too late and we lose our political advantage before we are hit with yet another Wrightesque scandal. We are sure to be washed with yet another scandal du jour before November. How dare he have an arrogant victory lap in Europe that is unprecidented in US Presidential politics! This slime will ruin the Democratic party for decades to come. Let us go with Hillary before ALL is lost–this is an emergency. OhBombUS has the integrity of a slug and the worst of our fears has come true I am sad to say.
Posted by: gdurant | August 3, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
Hey Rose, for one thing, we don’t have the same climate or land as Brazil and our capacity to grow sugar cane (as they do) is very limited. Secondly, Brazil DOES import oil. They get about 40% of their transportation fuel from their home-grown ethanol.
Besides those corrections, I agree with you, we should be investing in alternative energy now. Expensive oil is a reality of the future regardless of whether we get an extra 2% or so of domestic production from additional offshore drilling.
Posted by: Ryan | August 3, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
There’s nothing wrong with drilling off-shore, but beleive me, it’s not necessary to do so. There’s plenty of oil land already under lease by big oil. Oil prices will never go down unless Congress gives the CFTC authorization to regulate/limit oil speculation. Supply and demand are nice words to use to try and justify oil price increases , but the FACT is, this isn’t a supply and demand problem. This is a problem called GREED.
Posted by: Pointman | August 3, 2008, 3:42 am 3:42 am
It’s called coming to one’s senses. How much sense does it take to cross the aisle?
Posted by: Maxify55 | August 3, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am
Get the facts, make your choice, VOTE
Posted by: Dolores | August 3, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
Obama’s plan will still not allow drillin in the destin dome.
The destin dome has 2.6 trillion acres of natural gas.
We desperately need natural gas and there is a moratorium on drilling in this area to 2011. Obama will keep this moratorium while McCain will lift it.
Obama is against drilling in the shales out west.
Obama’s plan is a gimmack it is all tonal changes.
The drilling areas where the oil is he is still against it.
He did flip flop however he said he was for keeping the overall moratorium and then flip flopped.
Posted by: Dan | August 3, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
When Obama says the words “I’ve always said …”, he’s about to tell another big lie. Too bad his lemmings don’t have the ability to see through his truth-less rhetoric.
Posted by: Truman | August 3, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
I see. When McCain announced his support for off-shore drilling ( as opposed to his opposition in 2000) it was a major flip-flop. A disaster. Now that Obambi is shifting it is a strategical move. A super decision. Pragmatical decision.
What happened with that “Obama not being the old politician”?
Posted by: Frederik | August 3, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
What’s this guy stand for today? Is this a flip day or a flop day. Oh wait, it’s a “I’m going to try to have it both ways” day.
We need a leader, not a follower which this guy keeps proving over and over again that he is. He’ll do anything for votes.
Posted by: Ted | August 3, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
I’m so tired of these elections. Wake me up when it’s over.
My family, democrats by blood and birth, Hillary supporters, WILL NEVER vote for Obama. We made up our minds when he entered the contest. Why? At first because he’s inexperienced. As he moved along; we added his corrupt friendships and advisers including world deal-maker George Soros; his racist/sexist remarks about Hillary and disrespect for President Clinton. His bitter racist wife.
Add a hundred and one negatives against Obama, including his stealing policies from Hillary, George Bush and now McCain, and we made the right decision from the start to NEVER vote for Obama.
Posted by: Mrs. Phoenix | August 3, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Is Obama copying Kerry when he says “I was for it before I was against it even though I’m now for it”? Certainly seems that way. How can anybody seriously believe a word he says? When Obama flip-flops, he does so at a very major level and always seems to convince his lemmings that he hasn’t changed at all. The guy can talk but falls very short on substance!
Posted by: Truman | August 3, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Obama cowers at the thought of a debate where real people ask real questions. He is simply a puppet who depends entirely on his ventriloquist or falls on the floor in a heap!
Posted by: Truman | August 3, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
I would rather have a brave warrior leading me, than a slick law professor who is as much white as he is black but for political clout with his half-brothers, calls himself black instead of white. He’s slipping on the very oil he wants to import from our sworn enemies.
Posted by: Pete King | August 3, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
This election is about which candidate can be trusted to do the right thing for America. Obama’s position on this matter helps to show why he is more competent to lead the country. While McCain sought to mislead Americans into thinking that drilling will resolve the existing gas crisis, Obama took the responsible approach and sought to enact energy policies that would help America to wean itself off its dependence on oil and high gas prices in the long term. Everyone knows that this is what we need to do, even if it does include some offshore drilling as part of the mix. However, if McCain succeeded in getting Congress to overturn the drilling ban, it would be very difficult to get the important parts – support for alternative energy and withdrawing oil company subsidies – passed due to opposition from Republicans. The only way to do this right is to link any offshore drilling with a significant turnaround in government policy towards renewable energy. That’s what Obama is doing, and he his “crossing the aisle” to do it in a bipartisan way. This is real change that is good for America.
Posted by: Adam | August 3, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
You guys have to look at McCain and Obama as humans. This talk flip-flopping is ridiculous. I’d rather have a flexible president.
Bush wasn’t flexible…look what he did to America…
Hillary wasn’t flexible…look what she did to the Democratic Party with the primaries after it was CLEAR she wouldn’t win…
If Obama “compromises” for a bit of offshore drilling, he’s flip-flopping. But if he still opposes, you’d call him an out of touch elitist. You won’t know who’s ready to lead until the individual becomes president.
Posted by: GI | August 3, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
I like how some are saying “Obama has taken this issue off the table for McCain.”
Yeah, “His Majesty” taken it off the table…and thrown it under his bus. The problem is he’s thrown some many other people and positions under his bus, he’s running out of room.
Here’s my question for Obama supporters:
Would you buy a used car from Obama? Think really hard before you answer, because your life might depend on it.
Posted by: MarkJ | August 3, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Let’s see now, which way is the wind blowing so we’ll know what Barack Obama is going to tell us today, then we can check it again tomorrow!
Now think about that folk’s an you will realize that I’m a pretty good weather man, huh!
Posted by: Ray | August 3, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Ray – today the wind is blowing in the direction of Michigan and Florida. President Obama now thinks that all the delegates should be seated. Gosh, and he fought so hard that only half of them would be seated a mere few months ago. Understandable though, back then he wasn’t the Prez like he is today.
Posted by: Ex-Dem | August 3, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
He’s flip-flopped again. Sorry, that sounds so racist. Lol! Once again, he’s went from a solid stance to following someone else’s advice. Obama’s a puppet!
Gotta go check my tire pressure.
Posted by: Dan | August 3, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
This has got to be the quote of the day.
“Would you buy a used car from Obama? Think really hard before you answer, because your life might depend on it.”
Nice going MarkJ
Posted by: Dan | August 3, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
I think Obama is brilliant he is willing to compromise to our nation’s crises. We don’t need tyrant leader to run this country just as the Republican did in the Iraq crises. The average American do not understand the possible negative outcome with the drilling. I would imagine the expenses involve not to mention the environment. We all are going to pay for all of these if we don’t critically analyze before drilling anywhere. If cutting down in areas that reduced our dependency what is so wrong about that? At least we are not creating a possible problem in the future or unnecessary expenses just like we have now in Iraq. We all know that it is one of a major contributor with our economic chaos.
Posted by: plum | August 3, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
What a visionary this guy is! Ask him next week or even tomorrow, and he will have nuanced the subject a little further to agree with what the majority of Americans think, and what McCain has already suggested. We need a leader, someone who studies the issues, knows the issues, knows the ramifications of actions, then takes a principled stand to lead. Obama just does not get it! He is feeling his way along the path. When he makes a poorly thought out statement and people criticize, he backtracks. He calls it compromise? I call it ignorance. He does not know what he is doing. Maybe, his handlers cannot make up their minds.
John Q. Public on the street understands that we need independence from foreign oil. We need a comprehensive plan and help now. Our entire economy suffers from the high cost of energy now, and it is going to get worse. John McCain understands the broad scope of issues we are dealing with. We should choose a leader who knows the issues, has the experience, and talks straight about what he thinks we can accomplish. Obama is green and untrustworthy.
McCain ’08
Posted by: georgia | August 3, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
Obama’s “shift” on off-shore drilling
can be easily explained!
He’s following John McCain’s lead!
Just as he followed John McCain’s advice
that he visit Iraq and Afganistan so he could see the situation on the ground
there!
John McCain is a Leader and is Ready to
be President!
Obama is too naive and inexperienced to
be President!
Just Say No to Obama! No You Can’t!
Posted by: reaganfan | August 3, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
Here we go again. Obamas position today is not Obamas postion tomorrow. It’s not change, it’s enlightenment! Ha :). Does this guy have any core convictions? Does he stand for anything or fall for everything? I can’t figure out who I’m listening to from week to week. I’m an independent who is going to vote for McCain this time, because at least I know who I’mo voting for! Give me a break!
Posted by: Dewayne | August 3, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
For those who say Obama has taken this issue off the table, that is his real problem. He runs away from his associations, he runs away from his stands on the issues, and he is always backtracking. Speak up with some vision to begin with. When you drop your stands on off-shore drilling, you are just trying to get elected. Does he have any principles that cannot be broken? Don’t take him at his word, for he cannot be trusted.
McCain ’08
Posted by: georgia | August 3, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Senator Obama will say anything to get a vote. This is his pattern. Nobama!
Posted by: diane | August 4, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
I know that most likely people won’t see this because it’s so far down the list, but i have to say that i’m amazed at the responses. i’m thrilled at the people who show that they understand that compromise (as REPUBLICAN Schwartzenegger found in CA) works… listening to the people works… those that are saying this is a ploy “to get a vote” are right!! The guy wants to win! He wants to make this country better! in order to do that he knows that compromise may be the answer. he’s not like what we have now… the “stay the course” bull-crap.
i sure as hell don’t want drilling bcs we have made so many detrimental mistakes (see Mississippi River for more details) with oil and water. if we have other oil options or other resources (such as the sun, water, and wind, and electricity) why the hell would we want to stay dependent on a finite resource like oil that continues to make us beholden to other nations????
for those of you that don’t know already, we STILL have some of the cheapest gas prices in the world. Even at $4/gallon. do i like paying it??? No, of course not. i have to drive 40 minutes to work and back every day, and they haven’t given me a pay raise to make up the difference… but what i do want is to get away from oil. and to do that… it’s obvious that change in this country comes when people’s pocket books are affected. so MY preference despite the fact that my life will become more difficult for the time being is to continue having even HIGHER gas prices! That’s right. I said it. I’m glad the gas prices are high! But Obama has said that he doesn’t want drilling… he doesn’t deny that even now. he’s willing to COMPROMISE!! He makes rational, logical sense to those that might use intellect! Those that say he stands for nothing or can’t figure out what he stands for either can’t read, can’t hear, are doing this as a ploy to “stay the course” to help their OWN pocket books, or are WILLFULLY ignorant.
Not to mention how stupid these people must think we are that we’ll believe you’re really a “Dem with sense” or a “thinking Dem” or a “democrat” at all!! Your tricks are so transparent!! This guy Obama makes it soooooooooo clear, yet you guys continue to think we’re morons and will fall for any of this. It’s painfully obvious that you have it backwards.
If anyone has made it to the end of this diatribe, please start using your intellect not your emotions. Please see if you can step outside your selfish desires and work for the betterment of OUR home.
Posted by: lisa | August 4, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
What does this guy believe in? Where is his backbone? Stand up and take a side! Either you are for or against! Not a change of position my foot!
Posted by: Iraqi Vet | August 4, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Obama, talking out of both sides of his mouth again? What’s new.
Posted by: NObamaDem | August 4, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
“What in the heck does this guy stand for?”
Getting things done.
Political action is born of compromise.
Posted by: Larry Geater | August 4, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
MKoch: The reason those who live along the coast do not want our gas companies to do off-shore drilling, is because it will only affect their quality of life — and why would they be concerned about the cost of a gallon of gasoline, anyway? If they can afford to live on the coast to begin with, they can AFFORD the price of gas to go up to $12.00 per gallon!
Secondly, does anyone really know why Russia attacked the once Soviet-run country of Georgia? Well, let me educate those who do not have a clue.
It is because we have a pipeline that runs through Georgia and through that pipeline, gas is provided to many of our European allies. Does it not strike a cord with anyone that while the liberals are trying to weaken our ability to drill for oil on our own land (as most countries are already doing), that Russia is strengthening their ability to destroy our pipelines?
They have made it clearer than clear that they are on the side of Iran. I wouldn’t be surprised if China has a part in this, either, being that Russia aand China are also allies.
By the way, while the Olympics are on, has anyone spoken against the plethora of smog that hangs over the city of Bejing, since China is also supposed to participate with the terms of the Keyoto Protocol Agreement, also? Hmmm…makes one wonder, when China puts out more air pollution than our country ever did, why they don’t seem to care. Could it possibly be that “Global Warming” is indeed a hoax, drummed up to put more moola in the hands of the United (and Communist-minded) Nations? I indeed believe so!
Posted by: Lisa Clark | August 14, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
MKoch: The reason those who live along the coast do not want our gas companies to do off-shore drilling, is because it will only affect their quality of life — and why would they be concerned about the cost of a gallon of gasoline, anyway? If they can afford to live on the coast to begin with, they can AFFORD the price of gas to go up to $12.00 per gallon!
Secondly, does anyone really know why Russia attacked the once Soviet-run country of Georgia? Well, let me educate those who do not have a clue.
It is because we have a pipeline that runs through Georgia and through that pipeline, gas is provided to many of our European allies. Does it not strike a cord with anyone that while the liberals are trying to weaken our ability to drill for oil on our own land (as most countries are already doing), that Russia is strengthening their ability to destroy our pipelines?
They have made it clearer than clear that they are on the side of Iran. I wouldn’t be surprised if China has a part in this, either, being that Russia aand China are also allies.
By the way, while the Olympics are on, has anyone spoken against the plethora of smog that hangs over the city of Bejing, since China is also supposed to participate with the terms of the Keyoto Protocol Agreement, also? Hmmm…makes one wonder, when China puts out more air pollution than our country ever did, why they don’t seem to care. Could it possibly be that “Global Warming” is indeed a hoax, drummed up to put more moola in the hands of the United (and Communist-minded) Nations? I indeed believe so!
Posted by: Lisa Clark | August 14, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Oh — and by the way, our “good friend”, Barack Obama indeed wants to be “President of the World”, rather than “President of the U.S.”. I wonder how many people have caught onto the real meaning of that statement. Perhaps that’s where he also got the idea that there are 57 states, since there are 57 Muslim states and there are only 50 American states? If we are as patriotic of a country that I would like to think we are, this idiot doesn’t have a chance!
Posted by: Lisa Clark | August 14, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm