Obama Mocks McCain’s Definition of ‘Rich’

and Obama believes babies surviving abortions are not living humans.

It was a dumb thing to say on McCain’s part, and does warrant a comment or two from Obama.

Why does Obama do this; does he think everyone has his playground mentality? Grow up. He can joke and say $25 million but somehow McCain can’t joke and say $5 million? Maybe instead of focusing in on that he could focus in on giving a direct answer to when conception starts. Not only does he lack judgment, maturity isn’t a strong suit either.

Obama seems to have lost his hope and change in the gutter.

McCain’s health plan calls for the taxing of employer-paid health insurance benefits as regular income. Just another method to benefit the rich corporations at the expense of the middle and lower classes. And he claims that Obama is going to raise taxes?

McCain owns 7- over 1 million dollar homes across the U.S., wears $540 shoes, and wants to kill Social Security while he still accepts his social security check. This guy has no idea what the average person is facing today. I hope the Middle Class will come out in full force against this Elitist who only cares for the wealthy.

Neither of these guys are middle class, low income on anything in between, they are both rich and are both out of touch with people who struggle to pay the bills and put food on the table. I wonder the last time either of them had to worry about feeding and clothing their kids or go to a real job where they had to break a sweat????? They are both politiicans and both are probably crooked-I am waiting to see who they choose for v/p before deciding who I will vote for, but I think the media has already elected our next POTUS…unfortunately.

At what paygrade would Obama be able to answer the abortion question. Actually we already know the answer. Obama was the only one to vote against saving the lives of babies surviving botched abortions.

So, are any McCain supporters bothered by him seemingly just making up this story about a cross in the dirt?
Well, okay, plagiarizing isn’t just making it up. To make up something requires a little creativity. But are you guys bothered by him using an episode from Solzhenitsyn’s book as his own experiences?
Just curious.

I respectfully disagree with Markymark. I think that the biggest gaffe of the evening was Obama’s “above my pay grade” comment.

I left the Republican Party because of the loony Anti-Choice Crowd. I’ll come back to the Republican Party if you can answer me this simple question:
If your daughter was raped by her uncle and became pregnant should she be able to have an abortion?

Besides, all we know about McCain is that he understands Wikipedia and Solzhenitsyn.
Okay, that’s a stretch, regarding Wikipedia. The part of that Georgia article he didn’t take word for word, he summarized and actually introduced a historical mistake. But the parts he copied word for word, he got those just right.

geevill – no, not 10 years but he has told that story for nine years. It came out in the book he wrote for his 2000 campaign.
And its changed over the years. People are going back today and looking at all that. Its been a stick in the dirt, a sandal in the dirt…
But this doesn’t change the simple two facts that, 1) the same thing happened in the Gulag Archipelago, and 2) McCain is familiar with that book as he included the act of writing it as one of his twelve tough historical decisions.

And not the first time McCain got caught lying about his experiences there – remember the Steelers thing?

Good luck with these attacks on McCain. Obama’s support for post-birth abortions is now out in the open.

Can someone please do a report on how Obama lied in the forum on faith yesterday when he said that abortions have gone up under President Bush, they have not . USA today did a story on Jan 18 2008 the headline” Overall abortions rates continue to drop the lowest in the last 30 years”, and the article going to show statics from non partisan groups that the abortion rate has been going down each year for the last 8 years. I’m sorry I feel passionate about this because Obama always adds facts with fictions to make a point and the media never calls him on it, like his hardest decision was the Iraq war, please how does doing a speech at some anti war rally in his liberal district count as a hard decision when he wasn’t even in the senate and by the time he came to the senate 3 years later he was voting for every funding bill for the war the press just lets him get away with these half truths and up right lies.

Yes, let’s not give McCain hard questions. He only knows about Torture and being a victim. Nothing about the Economy, Environment, or anything that might pertain to YOU!

Cynics keep WHINING.
Obama keeps WINNING.
Can you say LANDSLIDE???
Your pre-fabricated lemming polls won’t be able to help you then.
More crow and Grey Poupon, cynics?

As commented on MSNBC; Take it from an Arizona resident, when McSame tries to make a funny, which means he’s telling the truth and thinks we are too stupid to see it because he’s laughing. Then he’ll say, no, no I was kidding (you bunch of stupid jerks).
He thinks the middle class is the doormat to wipe his $500 shoes on. He does NOTHING for Arizona. NOTHING. He won’t take pork, so that means we don’t get new bridges or repaired dams. But his friends get subsidized federal money. To McSame, if you’re not rich (5 mill or above) you’re nothing and deserve nothing. Except maybe, taxes, yes if you’re poor or middle class you deserve to pay more taxes.

Geevil: “Good luck with these attacks on McCain.”
Thanks man. Now I see why you Republicans insist on campaigning like this. Its kind of fun, especially when your target is as phony as John McCain.
The best knowledge and experience that Wikipedia and Russian literature has to offer.

Why did McCain get shot down in Vietnam? Is it because he made poor judgement? I do not want a president who makes poor judgement. And what makes him think that he’s not going to do the same when he’s president? There are other soldiers that encountered the same but that did not qualify them to be president. I have an uncle that got captured in Vietnam and got released after seven years and of course got purple heart but that does’nt qualify him to be president. Vote for OBAMA to be the next president!

when i read all the ob supporters you people are winers i am a independent moderate i have never seen people like you before ill give mccains people one thing they’re certainly not winers.

McCain’s point was well-taken:
You only need to put a dollar amount on “rich” if your purpose is to redistribute the wealth through taxes (otherwise known as buying the votes of the poor people with money taxed off rich people).

This smacks of desperation. How sad that Obama has to make things up to be upset about. Obama can say Bye Bye to his lead. John McCain is the next president of the United States. Sorry Barrack….good luck in life.

JonDo: “…buying the votes of the poor people with money taxed off rich people.”
If your characterization is fair, isn’t it also fair to say that proposing low taxes should also be characterized as buying votes?
And the bottom line is that we aren’t going to significantly cut spending. We’ve had Democrats in office and we’ve had Republicans in office. None have any stomach for reducing the size of government.
So are we going to continue the tax-cutting policies of the past seven years, that have added nearly $5 trillion of debt (nearly doubling our total public obligations… in just two presidential terms)?
That’s just pandering for votes now without any concern about the nation’s future solvency.

decentAmerican – nope. That one came off as a joke because it was targeted at the interviewer.
And unlike McCain, Obama followed it with a real answer. Under $150k for a household, adjusted by regional cost of living, and Obama sees that as a middle class or lower situation. Above $250k for a household, and its a pretty comfortable situation. I think its safe to say the $100k gap is where he’d put upper middle class.

hahahahaaaa, since when does McGoo have class. And Justice Thomas is a disgrace and should have never been appointed.

And besides, decentAmerican, I don’t remember Obama trying to pass off any episodes from a Solzhenitsyn book as his own experiences.
Game, set, match for Obama.

geevil…
really Obama told you this? and don’t give me the he told me by actions and not deeds until you do some real homework…
judge not lest ye be judged.

Higher taxes are not needed.
Less government spending is needed.
And yes, the point stands: Taxes on the rich are redistribution of wealth, plain and simple. It hasn’t helped the poor – the War on Poverty has been a failure.
Lower taxes for everyone (even on the rich *gasp*) is proven to stimulate the economy and help everyone.

Kind of ironic too…then when the obama campaign puts out a rebuttal to the lies in Jerome Corsi’s book – Mccain ya gotta “have a sense of humor”?
where’s his sense of humour over the questions about his supposed cone of silence?
he’s just such a funny guy

decentA: Actually Obama’s 25 million books comment was directed at Rick Warren’s book sales. He was making a subtle point – which you obviously completely missed.
I hope the USA deserves better than McCain. I still don’t trust him from the Keating 5 crime. Was was he only senator in the crime ring to skip jail time?

al4mc: This may not be PC, but I’m tired of immigrants coming to the USA and reaping the benefits of YEARS of committment by US citizens who were comitted to Civil Rights. You would not be able to be nearly as prosperous in my country if not for that committment. You may want to study up on the history of labor and equality issues before you start spewing out ‘socialist’ comments. And I don’t know a single person who wants to increase or revive welfare. Most US citizens want smaller government and personal freedom – black, white, rich and poor. I love the USA. In my mind, it’s the best country in the world. But it’s still not perfect.

deciding who is rich is not for the president to decide but deciding when “life” begins is?
hmmmm

I’m not a McCain supporter, but I hate these little twist-the-truth articles because they’re easier to write about than key issues.
According to another blog, the question McCain was asked was:
WARREN: Everybody talks about, you know, taxing the rich, but not the poor, the middle class. At what point, give me a number, give me a specific number. Where do you move from middle class to rich?
When McCain answered “$5M”, did he mean income or net worth of $5 million? If I consider my home, savings, possessions, and what I’d need in the bank to replace my pension, I’m well over $1M in net worth but certainly not rich, though many I know who are just getting by on Soc. Sec. consider that I am. But I’m comfortable now and would feel very well off at $2M. To me that qualifies as rich, but my cousin, with $1.5M in equity in her home alone, doesn’t consider herself rich. If McCain was trying to err on the side of really rich, $5 million in net worth is reasonable.

Obama’s answer also showed how out of touch he is with the average American – according to Obama, people are only rich if they sell 25 million books. The bottom line is, there is no way to answer that question because it depends geography – a person making $100,000 a year in rural Arizona who owns a 5-bedroom home that he paid $120,000 for is probably “rich” compared to someone living in San Jose California, making twice that and living in a 2-bedroom, $500,000 house. Keep in mind – McCain is for keeping taxes set where they are, Obama is for raising them.

mccains answer to wealth and fame——marry a rich druggie—-exxon john has the iq of a frog–heard he had a little info about questions beforehand. did not think he could answer anything in an intelligent manner.–

Did you watch the entire forum? McCain was joking about $5 million and even said he was joking and that his joke would be distorted. Obama knows this and uses it anyway–the new politics “we can believe in.” Obama is not ready for a corporate job much less prez of the U.S.

Lil’Me…
Are you privy in some way to information regarding Senator Obama’s tax plan that has heretofore been unpublished. it’s easy to repeat mr Mccain’s standard campaign stump speech that’s he’s not for taxing anyone and state that Senator Obama’s plan will cost you…but the Wall Street Journal (typically a fairly conservative publication) disagrees…Have you done your homework???????
To quote: Overall, Sen. Obama’s middle-class tax cuts are larger than his partial rollbacks for families earning over $250,000, making the proposal as a whole a net tax cut and reducing revenues to less than 18.2% of GDP — the level of taxes that prevailed under President Reagan.
Both candidates for president have proposed tax plans. But they are starkly different in their approaches and their economic impact. Sen. Obama is focused on cutting taxes for middle-class families and small businesses, and investing in key areas like health, innovation and education. He would do this while cutting unnecessary spending, paying for his proposals and bringing down the budget deficit.
In contrast, John McCain offers what would essentially be a third Bush term, with his economic speeches outlining $3.4 trillion of tax cuts over 10 years beyond what President Bush has already proposed and geared even more to high-income earners. The McCain plan would lead to deficits the likes of which we have never seen in this country. It would take money from the middle class and from future generations so that the wealthy can live better today.
http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB121867201724238901.html

Lil’me,
And yes…that’s a biased analysis…
but let’s see yours.
Outline in detail for me -Mr Mccain’s plan…and don’t forget to leave out the $7,000 tax credit per dependent (while advocating the overtunr of Roe vWade and diminishing funding for birth control)..now that ought to be fun to pay for. .
LOL

geevill-perhaps you should do some research before posting bogus claims against any candidate on this Blog. If you bothered to look up any information regarding the bill Obama opposed in the Illinois Senate you would know it is not the same as the federal legislation regarding the protection of infants. Illinois already has a bill providing assistance and Obama voted against the additional legislation with the support of the Illinois medical community because it only served to water down Roe and was not as substantial in helping infants as the current legislation. You may dislike Obama, but get your story correct before you spew vile that is not correct.

Obama must be getting desperate to use the $5 mil. comment by McCain. McCain said it would be distorted, but I assumed he thought it would be the media and not Obama. McCain was making light of the question and he qualified the statement by saying that he doesn’t want to raise anyone’s taxes, so to him it really doesn’t matter how rich you are.

It just goes to show what McCain thinks about people that are not as financially well off as he is. Want to support the wealthy? Vote for mcain. Want to support the working class vote for Obama.But if you are just stubborn and insist on shooting yourself in the foot please do it at home and not at the voting booth where it affects the rest of us.

chattaway =—ARE YOU THAT SIMPLE MINDED–I WOULD THINK HE WAS REFERRING TO A HIGHER SOURCE.

So….
chattyway…it’s not above your pay grade?
Do tell…
And then we can have you administer the final judgement at the same time.

IT WAS A JOKE, even Mccain said it would get distorted. Then there is NOBROMA saying that abortion was above his pay grade, what a way not to answer his view on the question. The problem with wealthy, it is a relative term. There is no one set number that says your either wealthy or not. If you want taxed vote for NOBROMA if you want to keep as much of your money as you can vote MCCAIN.

John McSame is 100% for the wealthy and truly doesn’t care for the poor or middle class. He and his multi-millionare wife live like Kings! Let them eat cake says John McSame.

S Adams…
You are so right about Mr Obama not living in squalor. He certainly would not be elected president if he was – I’m convinced of that. He DID however (at least by reports) work his way into whatever income he’s achieved instead of marrying an heiress. Be that as it may, I think MOST people in this country would agree that at $250k a year a person (if they haven’t overextended themselves) can afford to put a little more into the kitty. socialistic…maybe? Humanitarian – you betcha.
And btw…as a person who deals with nothing but medical insurance indsutry on a daily basis – can you detail for me how our healthcare system is so vastly superior to that of other’s countries? Firsthand…? and please include for me a detailed analysis of HMO’s and the Knox Keene act while you’re at it.
THEN>>>>we can have an intelligent discussion.

Another Freudian slip by McCain? We know what he is about. Same old politics.

I think 25 million books would convert to more than 5 million dollars.

I can only imagine the hole we’ll crawl into if McCain is elected. We have one last shot. Either Obama does it or he doesn’t. But, at least it’s a shot.

Once again the McCainiacs are out in full force attacking Obama. If you read what the article said you will see that Obama says “even if he’s joking”. He just using it as a segway into how McCain’s policies will be no different than Bush’s. I love how the McCain supporters try to pass themselves off as Godfearing, Christian people and yet they are so quick to attack. I ask WWJD? Certainly not conduct a campaign the way John McCain has.

The fact that McCain would use religious rhetorice “The One” in an ad against Obama to mock him as if Obama was “The One” is using God’s Son’s name in vain. McCain said it was a joke. McCain is a liar – it is no joke, it is not funny in any way shape or form. You do not mock your opponent as “The One” using God’s Son as part of the brunt of any joke. McCain is blatantly unfit to rule anything with his sickened sense of humor. God is not laughing Mr. McCain. So no it was not a joke nor was it meant as a joke. McCain is guilty of Lies and abuse of religion in an effrot to mock his opponent. Trash the ad mcCain!

McCain also said he dooesn’t want to raise taxes on any Americans! He has my vote….I don’t want to pay for an Obama Socialism. Mr. World wants us to be more like Europe….taxed up the — Sorry, not for me. McCain knew his humorous off cuff answer would be distorted, but I have to give it to Obama to use it so quickly. Seems he is on the defensive lately and running scared as the polls are tied.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN.

slams slams slams slams slams, am I making my point here? does anyone agree with me?

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Why should someone who EARNS more money have to pay a higher percentage. That is a load of crap. DEMS are always looking for hand outs. If you dont earn the money, you have the same chance as anyone else to go make 250k. I am tired of hearing put more in because you make more. Why dont you go out and make more. Humanitarian, you have the options to donate that money to the charity of your choice. That is humanitarian not the Democrates pinching those who earn more. That is b.s

s adams—torture what crap—–remember the crown prince of the hanoi hilton—-mccain got preferencial treatment–you need to learn something and stop spreading crap—-ask some of the nam vets from that time.dump your family and marry a rich woman–THE AMERICAM DREAM–but a little short on morals.

If Obama is elected, he will be the most hated president in 100 years. He will achieve this within two years of his election. He will be hated by Blacks, Hispanics and Whites. He is like a balloon; plenty of volume with no substance.
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I find it very hard to believe that anyone could possibly be more hated than Bush/Cheney. Get Real!

debra—fox ha ha ha ha ha ha that is a real joke–ask some nam vets not mccain flunkies.

Well mcain seems to think that two cells make a living person hmmmmmmmm….. That is like saying God created the earth in 7 days and dinosaur bones are here to test ones faith. I can’t believe some of you are so dumb you buy this pandering BS.
How can you be a Pro choice pres. BUT make pro life policies it’s the biggest line of BS since.. “I didn’t have sexual relations with that woman.”

McCain made a joke. I just saw the tape and he was joking and he said they will mark him on this joke.

“and Obama believes babies surviving abortions are not living humans.”
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At, at least Obama realizes that people dying in a made-up war of choice and spending billions of dollars in Iraq while Americans go without health care is morally worse than abortion. I see the right wing is intent on trying to make abortion an issue in this election…that might go over until Americans get their first heating bills of the season!
Posted by: Darth_Riddle
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Darth_Riddle, if heating bills go up it will be because your hero Obama blocked offshore drilling sending a message that Americans DESERVE high heating bills for causing global warming. I can really see how THAT’s moral (not).
As to the Iraq War, the only reason he didn’t vote for the war along with all the other Democrats at the time was because he wasn’t a Senator then. ALL of his peers voted for it.
And yes, I think there are SOME abortions that should be prevented. If a woman was NOT raped, is perfectly healthy, has a perfectly healthy child and wants an abortion because she wants a boy instead of a girl, I doubt that even YOU can justify this particular abortion.

What is a “post-term abortion” anyhow? Any interrupted pregnancy is medically termed an abortion; it’s just called a miscarriage for the same reason that the word “pregnancy” wasn’t used years ago. “Post-term” is an oxymoron; “post” means “after” and “term” relative to a pregnancy means after approximately 38 weeks gestation at which point birth usually occurs. Geevil doesn’t believe a woman has the right to her own body. He’s apparently of the school that believes in keeping a woman barefoot and pregnant.

one of Mr Mccain’s flaws IMHO is that he “jokes” too much.
We’re not electing a comedian and sometimes it’s just NOT funny

Actualy abortions and teen pregnancy have gone up during Bushes years because a lot of religious wackos don’t believe in birth control ethier. So Bush being the furthest thing from a “christan” seems to not want to prmote sex education in schools and just likes the abstane thing. Which doesn’t seem to work.

Paige — “John McCain has no business governing woman’s bodies. “. Oh please! The government does this every single day. In fact we are the most protected country from ourselves in the world. I do have to say this, as Obama stated in the debate, your are not going to change my mind or vote when it comes to the right to life issue. You will just have to deal with that one. And please, please, assume that what I believe will never become law…. that is when it will.
One more thing, if you tax the well off or rich ($250K or above)more then average Joe, what is the incentive to work at all? Why not do what the Europeans do and live off of the state? It sure would be a lot simpler.

My is McShame alway talking to war. He have no Idea of the econmy and he cheated on Saturday becasue he was not in the closed room. McShame knew all the questions that why he was able to answer the questions quickly.

Rev. Warren stated today that the comments from Obama’s camp are bogus. Obama and his supporters can talk about Rev. Warren but they support Obama’s old pastor Rev. Wright. Calling Rev. Warren a cheater and lying will not help Obama get their votes.

The candidate with 10 houses and a corporate jet has a different definition of rich than the rest of us. Surprise! Surprise!

Debra – you can bet “FOX” news will do a totally unbiased story. LOL. Just like Rush Limbaugh only speaks “truth” (again LOL)

Joe,
really Bush is responsible for teen pregnancy. Another ridiculous statement. Where are the parents of these kids, do you think their lack of educating their children would have something to do with it. NOPE its all George Bushs fault. Not that the parents could do anything about it. But lets blame the PRESIDENT. Your logic is out of bounds.

And simply the rich sould pay more because they drive big cars have bigger houses have everything imported and use up all the resources therefore driving up the cost of everything and passing it on to the poor pepole. Ok I see you repubs. point…..Almost, but if you want to drive SUV’s Bentley’s and have a 10 bedroom house you shouldn’t be taxed you should have to pay triple what the guy in the trailer has to pay for everything.

Slams-get it – Its an ABCNews.com Headline, they know one word.

And all this time I thought I was part of the upper class in America making over 250,000 a year. Thanks to McCain 5,000,000 is the new upper class. Way-to-go John I wish I had a filthy rich wife.

So, Obama is mocking McCain’s 5 million while he set the bar at 25 million book sales? What a hypocrate.

I guess we know who the “whiners” are now, anyone with less than 5 million dollars.

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Debra, why is it that every time I suggest you work for the McCain campaign, it gets deleted?

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okay…
let’s get the quote right regarding the “experience” of Clarence Thomas. Here is what Senator Obama said.
“I don’t think he was a strong enough jurist or a legal thinker at the time for that. I profoundly disagree with his interpretation” of the Constitution, he said.”
Splitting hairs??? Maybe… could he be implying that Mr Thomas is NOW a better jurist and legal thinker and all it took was experience? Perhaps, but he DIDN’T say Thomas didn’t have enough experience.
Perhaps Senator Obama would have been a better jurist and legal thinker than Mr. Thomas at the age of 30?

nathan = McShame is a liar and a cheated.

IT IS A GOOD THING THAT SOME OF US KNOW MCCAIN FOR MANY YEARS AND TRULY KNOW WHO AND WHAT HE IS–AND HE WILL GET CAUGHT WITH HIS LIES—-this guy is not fit to run anything—why are his military records sealed –and he was the power behind the law doing so—he has a lot to hide and it will catch up with him—mccain as president would make us the laughing stock of the world.when he makes his gaffs remember this is what he truly is
goodby–i have said enough.have fun with the lier

Indirectly through is pushing of crappy religous right wing views yes he is. I agree were are the parents? I think they are to busy setting there kids infront of the tv instead of parenting.
And no this is not WAY out of bounds this is right on. If parents aren’t teaching kids then the state has too. Since Bush has been in office he has cut funding for sex ed which was helping to reduce teen pregnancy and abortions. Instead he’s opted for more abstance based education which statisticly isn’t working. But I agree with you alot of parents in this country are well… Just crappy parents.. So were I’m pro choice every abortion avoided is the best thing that can happen but the best way to avoid those is not to have unwanted pregnacies to begin with.

I wish that just ONCE Obama would describe HIS tax plan instead of constantly criticizing McCain’s. Our taxes are much more important than knowing what church a candidate attends or whether or not he supports gay marriage.
Posted by: Rhys | Aug 18, 2008
Eveyone who listens knows that Senator Obama’s tax plan is as follows:
IF YOU MAKE MORE THAN $250,000 A YEAR YOUR TAXES WILL BE RAISED. IF YOU MAKE LESS, YOU’LL GET AN 800 TO 1,000 DOLLAR TAX CUT! GOT IT?

Gosh Obama you just keep digging your own hole deeper and deeper…talking about folks who are rich, Obama I do not think you are lacking…so the pot and kettle for you

Can you imagine if Senator Obama had tried to act like Mr McCain on the forum…they’d have CRUCIFIED him for not acting serious enough or acting like a “celebrity”…
wow..

Both have money so shut up, they do not know anything.

If one watched onal ABC one would think that Obama was the only person worth considering. It just proves that ABC is not the place to get new about politics since they are brownnosing the Democrats. Even Democrats should want to get news, I would think.

and if this forum “mobilized” the fundamentalist right wing….methinks it’s also “mobilized” the democratic party…. watch and we’ll see.
gonna be a fun one.

Regardless this whole thing is a sham and unconstitutional!
If you look at Mccains record then compare it to what you saw on this thing one word will come to mind.. PANDERING. To the religous people even isn’t that a sin at least I can tell where obama stands on these issues I think mcsamws had about 30 diffrent positions one for each year he’s been a senator.

The liberal idiots need to stop screwing with the “rich”. They’re the ones that create the jobs, pay the salaries, and fuel the economic engine. Democrats are fools and are about to cut of their noses to spite their faces.

Kitty
One more time! Obama does not have 25 million in book sales! Pastor Warren does. Perhaps you should have watched because this was where the Pastor asked Senator Obama for his definition of rich. Obama replied that some would argue if you have 25 million in books sales that that would be considered rich. The audience and Pastor Warren roared with laughter and Pastor Warren then reached out and initiated a high five from Obama. See, this is what happens when your information is second hand!

With the population problem to wars and starting on a third? You have to be a nut ball to have kids. Second this isn’t my job I actually do scientfic analyisis of serum or as you repubs tend to call us….. I’m a wizard!

When I heard the comment, I didn’t think McCain meant $5M per year. I assumed he meant somebody having a ‘net worth’ of $5M would be rich. I would argee with the ‘net worth’ of someone in the $5M range of being considered rich. Obviously someone who made $5M per year would definitely be considered rich.
But the whole idea “what is rich” is pretty silly. It’s sush a subjective idea and could be different things to different people. Somebody in a small town in the midwest who mades $100K per year might be considered rich to some, while somebody who lived in Manhattan or San Fransico who made $100K would barely be considered middle class by others.

Al4mcattack,
Perhaps you’d like to assist me with my research and draw my attention to the specific projects you would me to note that senator Obama’s and then senator McCains’ and their various votes. It appears that there are pork barrel projects on both sides of the fence and I do not see Mr Mcain as a signatory on the current resolution.

I thought McCain was very clear about taxing the rich. Unlike Obama, he doesn’t want to raise anyone’s taxes let alone “rich” people. He wants to reduce government spending instead of raising taxes. It really is a simple concept. Some of you are trying to make it more complex than it is.

al4mcattack posted —The bottom line is Obama did very poorly. The forum was out of his paygrade. Obama is on the defense because of his poor performance.
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al4mcattack,
I think the bottom line is that you are an exaggerator and overstating the facts and you obviously think that people don’t know how to use google to research and revisit the forum for themselves. Your vague overblown comments are not effective and you sound just like smart allecky Karl Rove and Tucker Bonds with sarcastic comments like “the forum was out of his paygrade”. Try responding with some substance, and not silly quips and just concede to the fact that McCain AND Obama both did well. I’m supporting Obama but I can still sit here and say that McCain did a very good job.

question al4mcattack,
why are you working so hard? It seems a little unhealthy…are you overextended? Because I don’t make that much and I’m getting by okay and certainly don’t WANT to pay more taxes but would like decent health care, better schools, transportation, etc.
I thought I saw in an earlier post that you were in the military….hasn’t mrmcain voted against pay increases for the military? thought I’d heard that, but not sure.

Can’t people see that when ever Obama is ask a question…he says words but never answer the questions or he does a lot of two stepping. Maybe I am not understanding the code of the words he speaks.My opinion.

again mcattack,
if you and your wife are working multiple jobs to make over $250k a year just to earn a “decent living” you MUST have overextended yourself IMHO

Obama’s tax plan is very straitforward, no matter how Bush-McCain tries to lie about it
If you earny less than $200,000 as an individual, or $250,00 on a joint return, there will be NO increase on any of your taxes, on regular income,dividends,capital gains, or whatever.
Both Bob Rubin, former Treasury Sec’y and Wall Street Guru, and Paul Volcker, formerly Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank are among hid advisors on tax policy.

Want to read how great McCain is–read this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Evangelicals will vote for alledged adulterers when the other choice is someone who supports (ON RECORD) letting babies born alive through botched abortions lay there and die. It’s a pretty clear choice.

Who are you people? Is there no one in the electorate that has the slightest idea of what living in the United States is about or has the slightest idea of what an evangelical is? This isn’t a debate between a college sophmore and a man that was suffering for his country before you bloggers were being “potty trained”. This is serious business – and until you’ve experienced the horrors of life in the real world leave the politics to “grown ups”. The most powerful position in the world can’t be entrusted to an “affirmative action” candidate. Did you ever wonder how got into Harvard and his wife got into Princeton. Its a legitimate question and its the same question that Bill Bradley was asked. We’re afraid to ask it.
The real world is not a game for kids and its not a game for demonstrating how enlightened we’ve become.

Okay let’s share “war stories”…My husband and I have five children from mixed marriages… we’ve recovered from divorces and financial devastation as the aftermath…I help pay my 83 year old mother’s medical bills, we’ve bought all 5 of our children cars, we’ve helped put two of them through college. My adult daughter and her 4 year old as well as our 18 year old live in our home and although they all work…we still help “support” them -emotionally and financially. we have a decent home, drive decent cars and get to play sometimes too…We do all of this on CONSIDERABLY less than $250k per year. I’ll say it again…have you practiced good financial stewardship?

Dan – I can’t remember the cost of milk either; but that doesn’t mean that I don’t grocery shop. All I know is that I’m going to buy the milk no matter what it costs and it is a lot more today than it used to be. Now if I were going to buy arugula on the other hand, I might pay attention to the price.

As one of John McCain’s New Hampshire supporters in 2000, I left him when he started changing any and all positions just to win an election. Even worse,as my hero in the fie;d of more civil and decent political campaigns, to watch him now “approve this message” when the statements are out and out lies (esspecially about taxes) he became just too much a traitor to everything he once stood for. Bye Bye John

$5 Million let alone $250,000 is what I meant to say in the previous post. Thanks, just wanted to clarify that one.

I’m an older senior citizen and scrimped, saved and invested my whole life! I didn’t buy a Mercedes or take vacations abroad but lived within my means! Now I am living on the income my assets generate. And this bastard wants to rise my taxes! I think not, I’ve already given enough to pay these idiots!

How is a single person paying the highest rate? You must be making a lot of money to pay the highest rate. In all seriousness, what are you complaining about if you make enough money to pay the highest rate?

I don’t like the idea of just cutting taxes for the rich to make the economy better. Some say the rich will use the extra money to create more jobs in this country. That is crap! Have y’all seen “Wall Street”? Greed is still in vogue in America, and not all rich people are as interested in investing back in Americas and their communities as Bill Gates or Oprah. Some will take that extra money and spend it elsewhere. They’ll buy that huge mansion near the French Riviera or take a yacht around the Pacific. And big greedy CEOs will take the money and invest in overseas markets. So this “trickle down wealth” mess is a big lie that the greedy rich try to promote. For the rich to be rich, you have to have more people on the bottom barely getting by. Low taxes should only be a privilege for the rich who actually invest back into America with jobs and other programs to help the people they get rich off of. It shouldn’t be for people who don’t give a crap about the middle class.

McAttack,
Explain to me why McCain’s version is better for the military.
LOL – I am self employed and can’t dream of five weeks off – i would venture to say you have more than I. I’ll bet McCain does too as does Obama. But it DOES cost money to run the country. and there are many (and California is a PRIME example) that been involved in speculation over the last few years and it would have been nice to see what some of that $ could have done domestically.

I love you all seriously, I do. But whether your support is for McCain, Obama or even Hilary you’re all whiners and the only thing worse than hearing someone whine about how much whining is going on.

In my reincarnation I don’t think I’ll work my way through college again and become a productive member of society. I’ll join the Democratic Party and just sit around drink beer, smoke pot and let you tax payers and the Obama Nation take care of me!

The highest rates are paid by higher incomes. I just double checked and someone making about 60 grand with no deductions pays almost 20% in taxes, whereas someone making 30 grand pays about 13.5%. The argument about deductions doesn’t really hold any water considering it costs a lot of money to raise a child – more than the deduction. Plus, you got your deduction when you were raising your kids, assuming you had them.

Herb Gray wrote: Obama’s tax plan is very straitforward, no matter how Bush-McCain tries to lie about it
If you earny less than $200,000 as an individual, or $250,00 on a joint return, there will be NO increase on any of your taxes, on regular income,dividends,capital gains, or whatever.
Both Bob Rubin, former Treasury Sec’y and Wall Street Guru, and Paul Volcker, formerly Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank are among hid advisors on tax policy.
Note to Herb Gray: You failed to mention the large social security increase that is part of Obama’s plan. Nice try – but wrong.

al4mcAttach,
hmmmm…how much will that little number cost? will MY taxes get raised to pay for it…

Mary,
did McCain promise to not raise Social Security taxes or did say “everythings on the table”?
just askin

What is a Pay Grade?
Ask al4McAttack – he’ll tell you…. obviously not a military man..but McCain knew what Obama meant.

Listening to Obama stumble through attempts to answer questions made me realize that his brain has been fried from heavy usage of drugs. He can’t function or respond unless there is a teleprompter. Now we know why he will not do a town hall debate. He has no memory and can barely function on his own.

So al4McAttack..
if McCain’s GI bill gets passed YOU’LL get more bene’s and I don’t have to help pay for it because I’m not rich?
vote him in!
LOL

No matter what you MCSAMES say, I feel that you all are blinded by prejudices that are engrained deeply in your hearts. I implore you to open your eyes and see that MCCAIN is running the same campaign and same platform that Bush did. I am quite sure you do not want more of the same. Its time to give the democrats a chance.
Mccain cannot and will not have your best interest. I guarantee you that we will be in a war before the first 2 yrs of his term.
Please wake up, know you may not like him but you have to say he has energized our country. This is what we need . Not some one who says that a person who makes $5 mil a year is middle class. PLEASE WAKE UP !!!!!

I’m surprised by the overall content of these comments. It would seem that in America today some people care more about how much it costs them to burn oil than the flame of life that is extinguished in hospital rooms across the nation every day. Although Obama’s intentions on solving the oil crisis is to simply raise the taxes on oil presumably to make people cut down on their usage. McCain does not come close to what this nation is in need of, but Obama’s policies insist on shoving the nation further down the path it is walking on. Perhaps we should be promoting our companies, encouraging those who keep labor in the US with some form of tax break, preserving the jobs needed for the lower and middle classes. Maybe we should pull some of our investments in foreign corporations, and move them back home. I will not tell you which candidate is the right choice, but I can tell you which policies you should be looking for. When we encourage funding in Social Security and welfare, how is the the money acquired? In the form of taxes. More Social Security/Welfare and lower taxes are not related interests.

Karronna: Name a take off on the Mexican beer Brand Corona??? You can’t dream of taking 5 weeks vacation, then you sould not be happy with your Boy G W he’s been on more vacation time than any President ever, including his father who was like him hardly ever in Washington.

Ooh! Why is he so touchy? Imagine what if he would think if someone said of him that he was voting present just 4 short years ago in the Illinois state legislature. No experience, no record of accomplishment, and lacking the trust of Americans, no wonder he is so touchy. But, that is his problem. For we Hillary Democrats, we have John McCain.

Check out BREAKING STORY about Cindy mccain’s hidden sister at http://www.npr.com . Why was cindy left the entire inheritance of her father who was worth hundreds of millions, when her sister was left with nothing???

Why does ABC News always and I mean, ALWAYS, place obama’s picture in front of McCain’s? I guess this part of that media bias we keep hearing about.

Steve,
Why do you pick one issue like abortion and use it as a litmus test? You realize Republicans use social issues like abortion and gay marriage as a way to get poor people to vote for tax policies that benefit the rich, right?

Pay Grade tells Department of Defense how much to pay for base….ex: E-1, E-2 etc.

McCain makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit when I see or hear him speak.

Hilary Democrats for John McCain??? Come on people….she is encouraging you to vote for Obama as she will do herself. How could you want Hilary then when she doesn’t get the nomination you go to McCain? That makes no sense at all to me.

What makes you think McCain was joking. The man wears 500 dollar loafers. His wife’s monthly charge card bill is 750 thousand dollars. They own 10 homes. And Cindy is worth more that 100 million dollars. He’s come a long way from the hanoi hilton, but he won’t let us forget it. The wrinkly white haired dude is out of touch.

Al4mcattack,
do you trust fox news?
LOL

finally…had enough..it’s getting silly… and i haven’t seen a lick of anything to change my convictions.
Obama 08

McCain really can’t relate to the average American. He has been living the life of a multi-millionare for too many years, ever since he married his second wife Cindy. Thus the idea of cutting taxes for the wealthy seems like a good idea to him.
Obama on the other hand, until the sale of his best-selling books, was only in the middle-class income level. The whole point of his campaign is championing for the lower and middle-class citizen, as these classes are suffering greatly, greatly due to the Bush policies, that McCain will continue.
I wish the greedy rich supporting McCain could understand that if they continue to undermine the middle-class and grow the poor class, the entire soundness of the country will suffer.

McCain at one point was a “maverick” who opposed the Bush insane tax cuts. Just so he could get the nomination, he changed his mind and supported the tax cuts. Talking about a real flip-flopper. This is not a man you can trust: He has a warped and twisted way of thinking.

I personally knew men who were prisoners of war during World War II, the Korean War, etc., as I’m sure many of you did, but the ONLY person most of us ever hear talking about it over and over and over again – or ever even hear their names – is John McCain. Is anyone else as tired of hearing that story as I am? Can’t help but wonder whatever else does he think qualifies him to be President?

McCain was pandering to his base with prepared talking points, while Obama actually gave intelligent and thoughtful answers..
Please spare me with the Clinton mumbo jumbo. Enough already with that!!
McCain never answered the question on defining rich, and don’t you find it suspicious that he knew when the supreme court judge question would be asked?

Ok ..Mr Moses Obama is spliting hairs and crying boo. I can’t wait to see him standing on the debates. Let’s see if he can walk his talk.he is clearly no Pres. material

Both candidates answered in a joking fashion. How can you answer a questions like this one otherwise? Rich is a matter of perception, not definition.
This is a non issue and does not deserve the attention is is getting.

What is wrong with you people? Did you not even LISTEN and WATCh the “debate” in question before commenting?? When McCain was asked the “who’s rich” question, he joked about the 5M but then did NOT further explain who he thought was rich other than people with their family and health… while i agree that’s rich, that’s NOT what the moderator was talking about.
Obama also joked and said 25M in book sales. He OBVIOUSLY was talking abou tthe reverend moderator… however, Obama went ONE STEP FURTHER and explained very precisely who he believes is NOT rich and who he belives IS rich. Those earning 150K or less are middle class he says… those who make 250K+/year are UPPer class (rich). Remember, your tax rate is based on your income in that range. So if he wants reduced taxes for those maknigi less than 150K, fine… then the person who made 250K pays LESS taxes on their first 150K of income. But then it gradually goes UP for the remaining income.
Then many people say “well shoot, small businesses are all affected… BULL. Small businesses are taxes on PROFITS (i.e., income). If, after everything is said and done and they’re making 250K+ then they pay higher taxes! Simple as that!
Geezus, a lot of people are really clueless.
Obama has a SOUND tax plan. McCain has a tax plain based on cutting for EVERYONE. Who pays that tax bill then? Someone has to… we’re insanely in debt now thanks to Bush’s tax cuts. yay tax cuts.

Whatever happened to the idea of the “flat tax?” Remember that idea from the ’90s – where everyone, regardless of income, would pay a set percentage of their income to federal taxes, say 12% – the tax rate reduces taxes for many and simplifies the tax code for others (especially businesses). I always liked that idea and just wondered why proponents of the flat tax let the issue die away.

It’s pretty clear in my mind. A vote for Obama is a vote for higher taxes. The less the government spends and stays in check with their budget the better off we’ll be.
Believe me…if Obama gets elected, he’ll have his skinny little hand in your pocket from day one.
Posted by: bill | Aug 18, 2008 8:23:52 PM
How do you figure Bill??? unless you make 250K/year+ then your taxes go DOWN. Since over 90+% of Americans fall under 250K/year, they will see a tax CUT. Explain to me how voting for Obama means voting for tax increases. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

CONCERNED CITIZEN: You are an imbecile. Cut government waste and spending like McCain is suggesting, then let people make as much money as they can. The American system is to reward breakthrough thinking and success not penalize it. What kind of stinking Socialist are you Mister Concerned Citizen. I suppose you want income redistribution as well Mister Stalin.

Obama’s lackluster performance at the Saddleback Forum will surely give Hillary hope of winning her party’s nomination in Denver next week, now that she’s thrown her hat in the ring again. If the delagates detrmine that Obama is “unwinnable,” they may go for a last-minute change.
Posted by: MojoJoe
Of course without Obama’s supporters which she won’t get she will lose again!
Another stupid post!

bill and steve—-obama is the best choice we know what doing it bushes way does it trashes the economy and destroys the middle class and mccain is just more give tax breaks to the rich and screw the poor by shipping there jobs overseas..

Kim:
Oh hey, another Moron. Your boy Obama is gonna lose. Nobody and I mean nobody wants higher taxes except maybe you. Hey, if you want to give your money away may I suggest a few great non-profit organizations like Saddleback Church. Yeah, the election is gonna be close but McCain will win in the end. Sorry if I said, “I TOLD YOU SO” a few months in advance.

McCain does not have a clue what it takes to meet a middle class lifestyle in this country when has lived with a spouse worth hundreds of millions, private jets and exclusive estates.
I wonder how much money his family has saved on their taxes with teh Bush tax cuts? millions I am sure.
He and Bush want tax rates lower than they were under Ronald Reagan. Ha!

McCain is correct, 5 million is rich. Obama, an elitest, know this better than his supporters.

bill and all backward thinking republicans —— my brother-in-law owns a company that does 10 million a year in business which after write-offs pays zero taxes,my brother-in-laws personal income after he writes off alot he pays zero taxes..i make 60 thousand a year and pay more taxes then my millionaire brother-in-law….how is that fair.

LawrenceNY: WHY ARE YOU PUNISHING SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE? Do you want to be limited and have the government redistribute the wealth? Yeah, let’s give it to those unfortunates that can’t pull themselves up by their bootstraps. You’re punishing hard work and endurance. I say we take away the Olympic athletes gold medals at give them to the less fortunate from Zimbabwe. BALONEY!

bill—come on we are not talking about takeing money and giving it to the lazy only making the rich pay there fair share atleast pay the same amout that we working class pay….and dont give me that crap the rich pay the most yes if they acually paid it but they write off everything and pay nothing… i know for fact most rich dont pay any taxes.

bill i make 60,000 pre tax i take home about 30,000 after taxes and s.s. i bet john mccains wife doesnt pay half her income in taxes infact i bet she pays less the 10% like most rich they pay very little.

McCain’s Broken Classics…..
#1 Hit: I told You “The Surge Would Work”
Note: As Though McCain Originated “The Surge” When in Fact “The Surge” is General McFarland’s Military Strategy and it did not happen at Anbar, “The Surge” happened in (Bagdad) The Bloody Anbar Awakening Happened Almost a Year Before “The Surge” and General Petraeus was Not in Iraq, During “The Anbar Awakening” or “The Surge”…
The Anbar Awakening: Is the Crucial Turning Point in the Iraq War and without it, The Surge would still be at Day One and the Casualties Would still be Prevalent. Yet Semi-Senile John McCain has Projected himself as the Creater of “The Surge”, as though, Mccain Concieved, Created and his “Surge Strategy” was Implemented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the President, based on Mccain’s “Military Experience” when all He did was Sign on a Non-Partisan BandWagon to send an Additional 20,000 Troops….
Thats All McCain Did.
McCain Hit #2: “I know how to Win Wars”
Oh Really John ? Are you Counting Viet Nam as a WIN for America ? You were Locked Up and being Tortured Day & Night, Remember ? John, Name One Military Strategy that you had Concieved, Created and had Implemented by the President & his Joint Chiefs of Staff…
Please and Don’t Mention “The Surge” I just Squashed that LIE
McCain Hit #3: “No Timetable for Withdrawal, Come Home in Victory”
What is a Victory to You John McCain ? The President of Iraq wants us OUT, The President of the USA is setting a “Time Horizon” and its been said, the Time Frame is (2010) Yet, We should Leave in Victory, Not Enough Dead Bodies, for you John ??
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John McCain Hit #4: “The 4 1/2 Year Military Strategy Failed, Because it was a Poorly Planned & Poorly Executed”
McCain is Condemning Joint Chiefs Of Staff, The President, The Vice President, Himself, The Senators & Congressmen and Women who Voted on all the Military Strategies, leading up, to the “Surge” and Above all else the US Military Performed their Jobs Incompetently, Thats Exactly what he’s saying…
Yet McCain Double Talks and Calls the U.S Military Honorable, Brave and Corageous..McCain has to Open his EYES WIDE and Accept that he was a Major Force in Voting 95% of the Time on the Iraq War and All Bush Military, Foreign and Domestic Policies….Fact

McCain is correct, 5 million is rich. Obama, an elitest, know this better than his supporters.
Posted by: martha S. | Aug 18, 2008 8:52:21 PM
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A person with 5 million is certinlly rich! Only Obama, an arrogant, elitist could argue with that statement. Come november, Obama goes back to southside chicago, to trinity chuch, with his uncle, mentor, friend and pastor, the Rev. Wright.

back hundred and more years when times were tough the rich took there wealth and created jobs and used there money for the betterment of this nation and taht is when capitalism worked great but now the rich when times get tough they pull there money out or use the bad time to get even more wealthy..that is why we need to tax the rich until the realize they should give freely instead of being greedy…

Obama’s economic plan will kill the American economy. Remember Ronald Reagen’s supply side economics and the Reagen tax breaks. A rising tide lifts all boats, The tax breaks to the rich allows for the creation of jobs, and charities. The top ten percent of our wealth pay almost fifty percent of the taxes, they have earned the tax break. Also we should be able use our money to as we see fit. The government has no right to take our money and give it to some one else. I would gladly give to charity and do, but it is my choice because it is my money. Obama want to take that away from us. He want s to take away the American spirit and dream of hard and smart work will lead to success. Obama is a socialist. They talk of always taking people down but never raising them up. Socialism will destroy our perfect system of free enterprise. AS for health care and welfare the US government has no constitutional right to take our money and give it to some one else. He will destroy whether knowingly or not our perfect union of the Constitutional Republic of The United States of America

John W. you say that as if someone making $4 million is not rich. Obama is arguing about that that figure ($5 million) is the lowest amount used by McSAME that qualifies people as RICH. Which is reflected in his policies. If it looks like a bird, feels like a bird and sings like a bird, then its probably a bird.

Martha S, So making 1 million a year doesn’t qualify as rich??? You’re just GREADY!!!
Posted by: LawrenceNY | Aug 18, 2008 8:55:11 PM
>>>>>>> Think before you open your mouth and remove all doubt.
1 million is rich, 2 million is rich, 5 million is rich and so on…

S adam, theres not that many people that are in your situation. Majority wins. Sorry but there’s way more people who make less than you and are hurting.

****** LawrenceNY *****
Do everyone a favor, stop giving an Obama reply to comments. I am aware Obama has about 150 paid bloggers, but your hurting your own cause. Get a life, better yet, get a real job !!!!!

Obama, leave the country and go to Canada or Britain, were those people like your 4 million a year, rich, hypocrite type.
And, scott jeffries, your a jealous wiener, go fallow Obama to another country. In your poor life, Wiener!
The is nothing wrong for people tho be blessed in the wealth of the American dream. Most Americans agree with McCain, rich is a good home and if you add wealth, that’s just a plus. Will you all punish Phelps when he makes his riches too, for living the American dream. YOU jealous people blow my mind, and I bet you all buy lottery tickets too, because you don’t know how to make it in America, what losers to complain.

The Greatest White Racist have going for them, is Trying to Convince the World a man that just Recently Paid Off he and his Wife’s Columbia, Harvard and Princeton Student Loans and just Recently Purchased a a very Nice Home in a Chicago Subuerb, is an ELITIST !!!
Versusa man who Owns (9 Homes) whose Wife is a Beer Baroness, who Maxes Out her Credit Cards Constantly, Who made Even More Millions via the Sale Of Anhuieser Bush Company and Spares No Expense to along with John McCain, in Buying The Very Very Best, Like those 550.00 Shoes Mccain Wore 3 Weeks ago on the Golf Course with Former President Bush Sr.
Obama is Newly Aquired Millions and still Believes, he should be taxed Higher based on his Income being Over 250.000 Per year….
McCain sure as hell, does not believe in doing such a Thing..I Gaurantee you that

Obama is slipping in the polls, this comment is proof.

ljbkmanredstate—i dont begrudge any self made rich person.nut whne they close a factory and leave 400 in a small town without work just to get even richer i say that is what is wrong with america…the rich dont care anymore and dont want to create good jobs so there is so many poor or jobless then the gov. has to raise taxes to keep the homeless population from going thru the roof.now the rich complain about high taxes when all they had to do was use there vast wealth to create jobs then taxes could go down..but unless you want tens of millions of homeless people the rich will have to pay more taxes or create jobs.. period

Destroy the American Economy ???
The American Economy is Already Destroyed…
Where have Some of You been ?
The USA is in Major Debt to China and gets a Ton of gas and Oil from Russia…
Most of the USA’s Cars are outsourced to Canada & Mexico, thats right, they Make our Cars and other Products, John McCain wants to keep it that way.
McCain reminded Both Canadians & Mexicans of these FACTS and said he would CONTINUE the North American Free Trade Agreement, just like Clinton (8 Yrs) and Bush Jr. (8 Years) and he he said it without HESITATION…
At the American Workers EXPENSE, Surely Not His !!!
McCain is an Elitist and 25 yr. Politician…

Obama just want to whip all your backs with higher taxes, and spend it for his pork earmarks. Half Americans are really dumb I think. Beat me master Obama with more taxes. Not this black man. I like to give that extra money to the needy, like most richer people, not to the gov..

ljbkman—the rich dont give to the needy they look down there nose at them call them freeloaders and want there taxes lowered so they dont have to give anything to the poor…i bet you will like it whne your hometown has hundreds and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of homeless people blocking the streets begging for change.

Obama…Please…The man of a thousand faces. Obama is a flag..raise him up and he will blow which ever way the wind takes him… Perhaps I want to not drill today..oh…people don’t like that!! Let’s drill and check our tire pressure…People like that!?! What a comedian…. He is a joke..right? The Democrats can’t really be serious with this..can they? As my dear old grandpa used to say…wish in one hand and sh…t in the other. What do you think the racist Obama has in store for you? Anyone making over $250K gets their taxes raised…I don’t make that much and I don’t like it!! This is the trafficing of class-envy. He is Robin Obamahood!!!

Everyone who heard or watched it knows McCain was joking. Obama, Pelosi, Dean, Kerry, and the other liberals have no sense of humor. “Bitter” Americans do.

Hey, if you all hate the rich, why do all you Americans buy Lottery tickets, and try to fallow in their steps?
Hypocrites!

Whites hate because someone is not their color or in the their social class.

414 comments….looks like money is a hot topic and Obama is practicing politics as usual….only McCain called them out on it ahead of time for his humorous remark so this is another non issue. And for those of you who want to KEEP YOUR MONEY…..VOTE McCAIN WHO DOESN’T WANT TO TAX ANYONE!

McCain talks about reigning in spending when his own party has overseen the national debt climb to over $9 trillion. He talks about earmarks which are a problem but make up less than 1% of the federal budget. In fact Citizens Against Government Waste say that the 08 budget has $13.2 billion in pork. The last Republican led budget in 06 had $29 billion and the year before was over $27 billion. And the Defense Department / Wars got $699 billion in 2007. 53 times more. I suggest McCain calm down on the rhetoric when it comes to Iran and Russia before we let him open up a 3rd or 4th front. Why he thinks killing is better than talking I’ll never understand.

I wasn’t replying to you, but to gl. I understand where you are coming from. I actually think that $250,000 minimal limit should be a little bit higher. And if you can factor those relevant information in, even better.

I think all blacks will vote for McCain know, I know blacks are smarter than Obame the Jimmy Carter.

Obama attacked those who fight evil. not evil itself.

Republican party was the white party but now is the RICH/white (since most rich people ARE white) party as has pretty odvious by now

I for one DO know how lucky I am to call myself an American being that im a first generation American in my family. So you mean to tell me that the rich help immigrant assimilate into society socially and economically??? LUDICROUS!!! They want to stay above and use these new people for their advantage (factory work etc) why do you think unions where made. The majority of rich people a GREEDY. PERIOD.

A lot of the people railing about how ‘wealthy’ McCain is sound a lot like the same people who didn’t notice that John Kerry was in exactly the same position a few years ago. At least we know where Mc’s money comes from. Obama’s seems to have a secret source, maybe he got a subprime loan to finance that 1.5 million dollar house. According to my mortgage company, he should be making at least $750,000 a year to be able to afford it.

S adam – you’re not god. Let my sister abort if she wants to abort. It’s her problem after all. Murder is illegal but people still do it. Their problem when they meet their maker.

My opinion (influenced by Martin Luther King Jr) is to judge someone by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin. Thats like SOO last century

But minorities are a majority as Democrats and whites are the majority as republicans thus making it the white party. The majority of the minorities in the Republican institution are RICH. Thus making it the RICH/WHITE party. Just saying :)

al4mcattack – Goodnight. As long as you came to your own conclusion as it should be.

If anyone thinks that you are wealthy making 250K a year should think again!A family with 2 kids, a hefty mortgage payment, homeowners insurance, health insurance, groceries, clothing, heating bills, water bills, credit card payments, etc…$250K is NOT rich! Don’t forget..that is not “take home” pay..when the gov’t gets thru raping your paycheck you are minus approx $40K! Obama’s plan will destroy this country! If you try to sell that house you will pay 28% capital gains tax..you had better hope he does not get elected!

I have a tough time believing that Obama is making more taxes OK and his cult following are buying it hook line and sinker.
We need to leave taxes where they are and decrease spending. No more pork!

With his poor performance, obama couldn’t find anything but attack Mccain on a joke?? oh wait, he also claims Mccain cheated. Hmm…how is mccain’s cheating relevant to his poor answers?? for example, Clarance Thomas didn’t have the experience at the time to be the high Judge but obama who is a community organizer qualifies to be President.LOL. obama’s 3 wisest consultants are his grandma, wife and Ted Kennedy. All I can say is WOW!! I feel safe with these 3 and Obama. Putin, you might have the best chance in taken on the US if Sissy whiny Obama becomes our president.

Cindy McCain’s Half Sister ‘Angry’ She’s Hidden
Source: http://www.NPR.org
Kathleen Hensley Portalski displays newspaper clippings of her father in World War II, as well as snapshots of herself as a child with her father.
Nicholas Portalski
Portalski is shown with her late father, Jim Hensley, who also was Cindy McCain’s father.
Read the original profile on Cindy McCain.
Ted Robbins/NPR
Nicholas Portalski, whose mother is McCain’s half sister, says it’s “very, very hurtful” that he and his mother haven’t been recognized.
All Things Considered, August 18, 2008 Last Tuesday, NPR broadcast a story about Cindy McCain’s business and charity work. In it, Ted Robbins described McCain as the only child of Jim Hensley, a wealthy Arizona businessman.
The next morning, NPR received an e-mail from Nicholas Portalski of Phoenix, who heard the story with his mother.
“We were listening to the piece about Cindy McCain on NPR, All Things Considered, and it just struck us very hard,” Portalski said.
His mother, Kathleen Hensley Portalski, is also Hensley’s daughter.
The Portalski family is accustomed to hearing Cindy McCain described as Hensley’s only child.
She’s been described that way by news organizations from The New Yorker and The New York Times to Newsweek and ABC.
McCain herself routinely uses the phrase “only child,” as she did on CNN last month.
“I grew up with my dad,” she said then. “I’m an only child. My father was a cowboy, and he really loved me very much, but I think he wanted a son occasionally.”
McCain’s father was also a businessman — and twice a father.
“I’m upset,” Kathleen Portalski says. “I’m angry. It makes me feel like a nonperson, kind of.”
Who Is Kathleen Hensley Portalski?
Documents show Kathleen Anne Hensley was born to Jim and Mary Jeanne Hensley on Feb. 23, 1943. They had been married for six years when Kathleen was born.
Jim Hensley was a bombardier on a B-17, flying over Europe during World War II.
He was injured and sent to a facility in West Virginia to recuperate. During that time, while still married to Mary Jeanne, Hensley met another woman — Marguerite Smith. Jim divorced Mary Jeanne and married Marguerite in 1945.
Cindy Lou Hensley was born nine years later, in 1954.
She may have grown up as an only child, but so did her half sister, Kathleen, who was raised by a single parent.
Portalski says she did see her father and her half sister from time to time.
“I saw him a few times a year,” she says. “I saw him at Christmas and birthdays, and he provided money for school clothes, and he called occasionally.”
Jim Hensley also provided credit cards and college tuition for his grandchildren, as well as $10,000 gifts to Kathleen and her husband, Stanley Portalski. That lasted a decade, they say. By then, Jim Hensley had built Hensley and Co. into one of the largest beer distributorships in the country. He was worth tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars.
Sole Inheritor To Hensley’s Estate
When Hensley died in 2000, his will named not only Portalski but also a daughter of his wife Marguerite from her earlier marriage. So, Cindy McCain may be the only product of Jim and Marguerite’s marriage, but she is not the only child of either.
She was, however, the sole inheritor of his considerable estate.
Kathleen Portalski was left $10,000, and her children were left nothing. It’s a fact Nicholas Portalski says his sister discovered the hard way.
“What she found in town — on the day of or the day before or the day after his funeral — was that the credit card didn’t work anymore,” Nick says.
The Portalskis live in a modest home in central Phoenix. Kathleen is retired, as is her husband. Nicholas Portalski is a firefighter and emergency medical technician looking for work.
They say it would have been nice if they were left some of the Hensley fortune.
They also say they are Democrats, but Nicholas Portalski says he had another reason for coming forward.
“The fact that we don’t exist,” he says. “The fact that we’ve never been recognized, and then Cindy has to put such a fine point on it by saying something that’s not true. Recently, again and again. It’s just very, very hurtful.”
Kathleen Portalski says she’d like an acknowledgment and an apology.
NPR asked the McCain campaign — specifically, Cindy McCain — to comment or respond. Neither replied.

Reality: Saddleback Will Not Change Peoples Minds, when their Minds are Made up and don’t Forget the Demographics Below…..
1. Obama Still Leads in the Polls
2. John McCain has NEVER LEAD in the Polls.
3. Polls don’t Matter
4. Polls are Deceptive
5. Early Voting in Some States Favors Obama
6. Most People have made up their MINDS…Sorry
7. Freedom of Religion, Agnostics, Atheist and People Indifferent Towards Religions, will not be MOVED by Saddleback…Sorry
Note: Newly Sworn In Americans from 10 Years back to the Most Present, will Overwhelmingly Vote for Obama. Afro Americans, Hispanic & Asian Americans will Overwhelmingly Vote for Obama.
Bi-Racial Americans ages 18 & Upwards will Vote for Obama.
Young White America 18-45, Male and Female will Vote for Obama in Large Numbers. The Highly Educated and Poor America, that Spans all Races.
Independent Voters will Overwhelmingly Vote for Obama. All Single Mothers in America, Regardless of Race.
Parents of Bi-Racial Children will Vote for Obama and Large Military and Americans Abroad will Vote for Obama.
Young Independent & Moderate Republicans will Vote for Obama and the Gay American Vote as well.
American Females Make Up the Majority Of America and Most will Vote for Obama. The Pro-Choice Female Vote , Roe Vs. Wade, Pro-Choice an “A Woman’s Right to Choose” Plays a Big Factor, Obama will get that Vote, EASILY.
American Females & Parents Against the War, will Easily Vote for Obama.
Most of these People have made up their Minds, Already and No saddleback Church will change that. Keep this in Mind, also Obama Garnered (18 Milion Votes Too) and Most of Clinton’s Voters are going to Vote Democratic Anyway, they have already cast her Aside, as they Refuse to help her get Rid of her Campaign ( SHE STILL OWES MILLIONS)
Note Obama made 51 Million Dollars last Month, who do you think is Divying Up The Cash…Hmmmm
John McCain and Racist White America have Not Factored all these Demographics, at all and they will come back to Haunt him in November.
Underestimating Obama will Prove itself Real, this coming Novemeber, as a Very Big McCain Blunder.

The key information is that McCain was joking. In contrast, Obama was Not joking about his support for sex-education for kindegarten age children. More tax payer funding to establish Obama’s age-appropriate sex-ed for 5yr olds. More Americans would move to home-school in protest to the lack of focus on real education needs in our public schools.

McCain was absolutely correct in saying his joking comment would be distorted. Just like using the “100 years” comment, Obama needs all the sound bites he can grab because he does not have enough knowledge and substance to talk about the issues. Whether you are joking about 5 million as rich, or 25 million for book sales as rich, we clearly understood both joking comments. Obama needs a soundbite. If 3 million is to be considered middle class, as Obama suggested in distorting McCain’s comment, then surely this must mean that Obama believes that 15 million is the middle class bracket. Let us have another Warren interview of both candidates. We clearly see the stark differences in preparedness, or lack of preparedness, of the candidates already.
It gets down to the experiences you have, the knowledge you have, and the ability to speak on the issues at any time.
McCain ’08

AS McCain said somebody probably would. DUH!!

Just out of being curious… since when did we have to fight to have personal liberties. They are clearly stated in our constitution. If you are gay you should be able to get married. If you are pregnant and the circumstances aren’t prime for a baby (which honestly they never are) then get an abortion. Our constitution protects the least favored opinion. It makes it to where that opinion is OKAY and having the freedom to act on it is OKAY. Not saying that makes it right. The KKK isn’t right but its legal because its protected by our constitution. Personally I am quite disappointed in our candidates for president. If I wanted to throw my vote away I would vote independent. It would be okay for Obama to critisize Mc Cain if he could give just ONE straight answer on anything at all. Quite honestly the only thing I agree with the man on is the fact that he wants to bring the soldiers home. He has voted some 24 times for tax increases. Not saying our country is looking for a McCain either… I don’t think he is just another Bush. That’s quite an inaccurate description actually because years ago the two were disputing over the situation in Iraq, taxes, and health care. We really do need an over all change. I haven’t made my decision for presidential candidate yet so I’m currently undecided. I don’t want an extremist running the country and Obama has proven himself to be on. Their is an old saying that goes “If you listen to what someone is saying they will tell you everything you need to know”. He has told this country alot as far as his plans and ideas for this country. While I think change is good, I don’t think he would bring a good change. On the other hand I think Mc Cain is simply to old fashioned. One thing that remains the same between both candidates is that neither of them have a clue about what American life is like day to day. Neither of them probably even know how much a gallon of milk costs. Thats enough from me…

McCain Democrat,
Obama believes that only God knows when human life begins that is what he was referring to when he said it was ‘above his paygrade’.
Let’s see how important the conception question will be with you extremists when Mac picks a pro-abortion VP.
More than a flip-flop but a tick- tock of the winding down of Mac’s campaign CLOCK!

Sen McCain might think it’s funny sitting on his many, many millions and joke about money but trust me the Americans like myself who are struggling to pay their taxes on piddling amounts while you give huge breaks to the mega rich and most Corps don’t pay taxes is NOT a laughing matter. It is NOT a joke that small business is being taxed out of existance while your big business cohorts get off scott free. It is a disgrace AND it is offensive!
Does anyone remember the email that was forwarded around by the Reps 4yrs ago that’s core message was John Kerry is incapable of representing “us” as he is so rich that he cannot pssibly be in touch with the regular people in the US. The email had pics purported to be Kerry’s many homes. Remember that? Where are the emails showing McCain’s many homes? The emails talking about how rich he is? The emails showing dogs pissing on his lawn signs?
Seems to me middle school bahavior and ridiculous statements are all coming from the right. They seem to think the WHOLE thing is a big old joke! Heck check out Sacramento CA’s Repub website to find the most current “jokes” about Sen Obama….on their official Repub website. Pathetic…
Grow up people and base your decisions on something that matters!!! Something besides a middle name, a dog peeing, a “new ship” or the Pres retirement pay package. Issues NOT insults please.

bernadette, come on! your smarter than that.
Rev. Warren started at 50,000 knowing he made thant much before breakfast, the Sen. was making the point that this was a Rep campaign event tailored for that specific audience, not a honest conversation.
250,000.00 or 3-4% of the country was his honest answer and you know that.
0.001% of the country makes 5,000,000.00 that leaves 99.999%
to fight over the remaining 25% of GDP left.
Where do you fit in?