By Hope Ditto

Aug 12, 2008 12:44pm

Obama ‘More Renewal Than Departure’ Says GOPer

ABC News’ Teddy Davis, Hope Ditto, and Rigel Anderson Report: Former Iowa Republican Rep. Jim Leach endorsed Barack Obama on Tuesday, saying that the Illinois senator’s platform is rooted in "old American values that are as much a part of the Republican as the Democratic tradition."

"Barack Obama’s platform is a call for change," said Leach. "But the change that he so gracefully is articulating is more renewal than departure."

Asked if Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., will be joining "Republicans for Obama," Leach said, "I think we’ll wait for Chuck to make that announcement. I just hope that he’s considered for [Obama's] Veep."

Leach announced that he was backing the presumptive Democratic nominee while participating in the conference call launch of "Republicans for Obama," a group that is designing a website contrasting the records of the presidential candidates.

Leach was joined on the call by two other Republican opponents of the Iraq war: former Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee and Rita Hauser, a lawyer who served on President George W. Bush’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and the President’s Intelligence Oversight Board.

Chafee, who left the GOP in March so that he could vote for Obama in the Rhode Island Democratic primary, criticized McCain for changing his stance on the Bush tax cuts.

"I served with McCain and we were the only two Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts," said Chafee, referring to a Senate vote in 2001. "He says now he would make them permanent. It’s a different John McCain."

The former Rhode Island senator also charged that the Bush administration has damaged U.S. credibility on torture, wiretapping, and carbon-dioxide regulation.

Hauser said she wants to see the war in Iraq ended in a responsible way, adding that she fears that McCain would represent a "third Bush term."

"It’s difficult to walk away from your nominee but you have to put your country first," said Hauser.

After three decades in Congress, Leach was defeated in 2006 in a major upset by Democrat Dave Loebsack. Following his loss, Leach became a professor at Princeton and then was tapped by Harvard to become the interim director of the Kennedy School of Government after former director Jeanne Shaheen left her post to challenge Sen. John Sununu in New Hampshire.

The McCain campaign responded to Leach’s endorsement by urging reporters to ask the former Iowa congressman about Obama’s criticism of Leach’s financial deregulation bill (Gramm-Leach-Bliley) as a lobbyist-driven deal that contributed to the subprime lending crisis. Leach’s measure repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, opening up competition among banks, securities companies, and insurance companies.

During a March interview with Bloomberg’s Al Hunt, Obama said the repeal of Glass-Steagall was not well-thought through.

"You had $300 million worth of lobbying done by the financial institutions," said Obama. "They wanted to compete because they were seeing big profits in some of these areas. It wasn’t necessarily the best thing to assure that U.S. consumers were protected or that the financial markets remained stable and sound."

Asked if he thinks Glass-Steagall should be restored, Obama said, "Well, no. The argument is not to go back to the regulatory framework of the 1930′s because . . . the financial markets have changed substantially."

"The question is," he added, "how do we build new regulatory systems that are flexible, that reflect new realities, that aren’t going to put undue constraints on innovation in the financial markets, but nevertheless will encourage the transparency and accountability that we need and will maintain trust between investors and counterparties and the banks so that you don’t see what’s happening right now, which is a complete lock-up of the credit system. . . ."

User Comments

Read and weep pumas

Posted by: angie | August 12, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

mccain’s chickens are coming home to ….. (you know the rest)
LOLOLOLOL

Posted by: johnosahon | August 12, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Trying to hold onto their jobs. Obama has a more than a cult following. But has a base of scared followers who are much more dangerous

Posted by: SNOBama | August 12, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Old McNasty is toast.
More right thinking Republicans are starting to jump the sinking McWar ship.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 12, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

I’m still floored by hot head’s words on the David Letterman Show from 2001.
There’s no way this guy should be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Paul,
Start weeping now because barack Obama will be POTUS.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 12, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

By the way, I agree with that line about renewal.
The change Obama is advocating is changing back from some of the more dangerous developments in recent years to what had been a more reasoned and dare I say it “conservative” foreign policy.
Make no mistake. There’s nothing conservative about neo-conservative approaches to the rest of the world.
And also make no mistake about McCain – I didn’t realize this until today, but he’s one of the neo-cons. He’s not the best and brightist of them, and perhaps the other neo-cons were a little more careful about what they told John after his Letterman debacle… but he’s one of them.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

The Repugs are toast.
Electoral College and Senate/House Snapshot today 08/12
PRESIDENT
Obama 289
McCain 249
SENATE
Dems 56
Repugs 44
HOUSE
Dems 241
Repugs 194

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

Mcains own party members are against him and backing obama me being an independent i am really hoping for a obama/hagel ticket!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: angie | August 12, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Angie – I don’t think it will happen. I like Hagel a lot, but Obama would have a lot of problems with Hagel on the ticket.
Outside of Iraq and standing up to neo-con stupidity with regard to foreign affairs, Hagel is from the other party for a reason. He differs from Obama on a number of issues.
McCain will have the same problems if he picks Lieberman, who despite basically being a neo-con, was a Democrat for a reason. But then Lieberman can change and McCain/Lieberman could market itself as the all flip flops all the time ticket.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

Meanwhile McCain has the endorsement of Lieberman, a guy who actually was on the presidential ticket in 2000! That TRUMPS this by a long shot.
Also, Jerome Corsi’s new book on Obama (the REAL Obama) is #1 on NYT.
Love it! Read it and weep Obamabots.

Posted by: Jo | August 12, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Jake,
The title of this story hides the fact that “Republicans are jumping ship”.
Why dont’t you just title it “Republicans for Obama”.
I am amazed at how much you will do to be biased in favor of your media darling McSame.
I am sure if it were against Obama or Clinton, the headline would be screaming.
Talk about fairness and objectivity.
Jake are you still writing from the Kremblin?

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 12, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Yobama and Revend Wright will be sent back to South Chicago in November.

Posted by: Larry | August 12, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Paul
Hagel is more in sync with obama i think that would make a great ticket hagel brings foreign policy experience besides he is one of the good repubs so to say as far as liberman he would be good for mccain everyone knows hes out to destoy the dems he was never a democrat more like a repub spy

Posted by: angie | August 12, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

The American people aren’t a cult. The american people support Obama. Anybody who calls the American people a cult either doesn’t understand America or doesn’t belong in this country. anti american idiots.

Posted by: John92 | August 12, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

Yeah, but Jo, your candidate is nuts.
He gave away the Iraq attack plans in October 2001, on the David Letterman show no less. And he also gave away that the neo-cons were likely to generate an artificial rationale for invading Iraq. The one McCain floated was that Iraq may have been behind the anthrax attacks.
The only thing was, no one listened to McCain back then. Now, when he may be an election day away from the Oval Office, people are starting to wonder who this guy really is.
And what they’re finding is pretty eye-opening.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

LARRY
Mcain come november can go retire and get the medical treatment he needs one can cleary see dementia and althimzers are setting in!!!

Posted by: angie | August 12, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

The NEOCONSERVATIVE AGENDA is a fundamental departure of the values that our country is based upon. Proponents, defenders and enablers of this warped philosophy drape themselves in the American flag while casting aspersions on those who dare critique their Faux Patriotism and the belligerent destruction of the cohesion of the World community. One need only look at the history of the 3rd Reich for evidence of similar mindset.

Posted by: Christopher London | August 12, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

“It’s difficult to walk away from your nominee but you have to put your country first,” said Hauser.”
Not ideology. Not religion, Not Party. When you accuse more than half of Americans of being traitors and terrorist sympathizers. When you ask government job applicants what it is that they like about George Bush (fearless leader) that makes them want to serve HIM, then you have a problem.
Watch more, un-indicted Republicans back Obama.

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 12, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

Unbelievable. Come on, Jim, WHAT are you thinking???? If you’re even thinking at all!!! Undefined “change” is NOT a good thing. Calls for “unity” can disguise supression of individual viewpoints for the sake of “the party” or “the nation” or “the vision.”
What makes anyone think bringing the Chicago machine to DC is a good idea?

Posted by: dahozho | August 12, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

The NEOCONSERVATIVE AGENDA is a fundamental departure of the values that our country is based upon. Proponents, defenders and enablers of this warped philosophy drape themselves in the American flag while casting aspersions on those who dare critique their Faux Patriotism and the belligerent destruction of the cohesion of the World community. One need only look at the history of the 3rd Reich for evidence of similar mindset. At least some Republicans see the inherent wisdom of turning away from a group of extremists who have hijacked their party.

Posted by: Christopher London | August 12, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

By the way, the McCain campaign can’t even follow Cliff Notes very well.
When it plagiarized Wikipedia to sound authoritative about Georgia, it summarized a couple paragraphs (others it took word for word) and introduced a couple historical mistakes.
McCain said Georgia was an ancient country. It isn’t.
McCain said Georgia was one of the first countries to adopt Christianity as an official religion. It wasn’t.
What Wikipedia clearly says, though seemingly beyond the comprehension abilities of the McCain campaign, is that Georgia was formed from the lands of several ancient tribal nations, one of which – Iberia – was among the first to adopt Christianity as an official religion.
John McCain – the best foreign policy experience that can be read from Wikipedia… well, almost.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Ah yes Steve, the DEMONcrats do control Congress now, with its almighty approval rating. And good ol’ Pelosi refusing to go along with what 70% of the country wants to do really boosts their chances. And yes, republicans are leaving McCain, along with the 28% of DEMONcrats who left for McCain after Hillary dropped.
Wake up and crawl out of your holes and read news from more than 1 media source!!!!

Posted by: J-dub | August 12, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

A very few weak ‘Republicans’ are jumping ship – however, how ‘Republican’ were they ever. Really when push comes to shove turning themselves into Demobamabots just makes it ‘legal’ as they say.

Posted by: Reta | August 12, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

Leach was a sell out and back stabber to the GOP.
After redistricting he moved to Iowa City with its left leaning Univ of Iowa to get reelected.
But as Chafee found out, the Dems are happy to have Republican Benedict Arnolds but will throw them to the wolves if they have a chance to put in their own.
Leach may also resent the fact that after he lost he wasn’t offered a position in the Administration.

Posted by: True Observer | August 12, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Jo,
McCain’s endorsement by Lieberman is one of the best things that can happen to Obama. Whiney Joe Lieberman and Lindsay Graham have their heads so far up McCain that the old man doesn’t need to have a colonoscopy.
Bush/Cheney/McCain – NO MORE YEARS!!!!

Posted by: SteveCA | August 12, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

I do not see anything in Obama’s speaches or his voting record leading me to believe his platform is rooted in “old American Values”. Frankly he scares me, not saying McCain would be my ultimate choice but is better than the alternative. Time will tell, just wish we could find someone who does have those “old American Values” we have strayed far from them, wonder sometimes how many really understand what those values are or what they mean.

Posted by: ALCEDO | August 12, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Examining Obama’s reaction and comments to the Russian incursion and comparing them to McCain’s comments and actions, it is clearly obvious that Senator Obama is totally unprepared for serious and dangerous world events like the situation in Georgia. And on national TV just this morning, when confronted with Obama’s totally inadequate response, one of Obama’s main supporters chided the commentator and stated that foreign policy should not be used as a political point. What exactly has Mr Obama been doing all this time regarding Iraq and Afghanistan if not using foreign policy as a political point? Obama simply can’t have it both ways. Obama is simply un prepared to lead the free world in foreign policy. Obama is inexperiencd, clear and simple! Obama has clearly demonstrated that he is totally unprepared for the complex world of foreign policy! Russia’s Putin to Obama – “NO YOU CAN’T!”
Visit this website and take a careful look and see more clear proof, in Obama’s own words, that Obama is not ready for Prime Time dangerous Foreign Policy. http://www.harvybing.com The world is simply too dangerous to vote according to what’s chic at the momemet. It may be considered to be “In Vogue” and “Fashionable” to be an Obama supporter, but unfortunately the dangerous people in this world aren’t swayed by fashion statements.
Marie Antionette was unprepared to address the severe economic situation facing her countrymen. When confronted by mass starvation she said, “Let Them Eat Cake”. In like fashion Obama, when confronted by his countrymen, who are suffering under high gas prices and who now can’t afford to feed and house and educate their children indicated, “Let Them Inflate Their Tires” as a solution to High Gas Prices and the US dependency upon foreign oil. Obama is out of touch pure and simple. He is an elitist who has no common man experience.
Unfortunately the dangerous situation of world politics won’t allow the American People to enjoy “On The Job Training” for our next president. On The Job Training Doesn’t work for Presidential employees. It simply doesn’t work in a dangerous world like we face today.
To hear even more serious Obama mis statements in Obama’s own words regarding the security of the United States, visit http://www.harvybing.com

Posted by: Gerald-D | August 12, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

John McCain gets his foreign policy experience from WIKIPEDIA ? I didn’t know that.

Posted by: Ron | August 12, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Quick -who was the only Republican Congressperson to vote against Bush tax cuts? Mr. global citizen Leach.

Posted by: geevill | August 12, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Dumb misleading headline. Why not just say “GOPer endorses Obama”???

Posted by: HonestAbe | August 12, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

“John McCain gets his foreign policy experience from WIKIPEDIA ? I didn’t know that”
Obama supporters claimed McCain doesn’t know how to access the internet. Another flip -flop by the Obamabots?

Posted by: geevill | August 12, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

obaama does not even know how many states are in the union or how to compare the cost of oil with the cost of air – he is fundamentally marxist and quite the idiot – any voting or even endorsing him quite likely is as well

Posted by: whocares | August 12, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

“It’s difficult to walk away from your nominee but you have to put your country first,” said Hauser.
This does not put the country first unless selling it out is what is ‘first’.

Posted by: nobodycares | August 12, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Ron – “John McCain gets his foreign policy experience from WIKIPEDIA? I didn’t know that.”
Ron, McCain was caught plagiarizing from Wikipedia in his statement about Georgia yesterday.
Geevill – not a flip flop; just a new development ;)

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

McCain keeps bragging that he knows how to win wars. He only fought in one, and by his own words he,”was tied up”. So how does he know how to fight wars.

Posted by: gpabud | August 12, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

J-dud,
I guess the only news you want us to read is Faux News.
Here is more for you.
CNN POLL OF POLLS
(Weighted Average of polls from AP-IPSOS,CBS,Gallup,USA Today, Pew, CNN/ORC)
Guess who is allways on top in this Politcal bed.
08/08
Obama 46
McCain 41
08/06
Obama 46
McCain 41
08/04
Obama 48
McCain 43
08/01
Obama 47
McCain 44
07/30
Obama 48
McCain 43

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 12, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Obama shows his usual intelligence and inexperience in his talk about Georgia and Russia. ” I think we need to get the UN involved”. Wow what a brilliant mind. Then as usual after his advisors tell him what he should of said, then he changes his tune again. Can this idiot ever think for himself? What a scarry thought, this moron running our country. Everybody knows the Democratic party has been hi-jacked by the far left and Obama is as far left as you can get, even though he is trying to lie to Americans that he isn’t. Just look at his pathetic record in the Senate. He did nothing but try to pass an inhumane law to kill alive new born babies. Obama , crawl pack under the slimey rock you came from and take Nancy Pelosi with you. Read the new book ” The Obama Nation” to find out all the real truths about him and you will cringe.

Posted by: julie holycross | August 12, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Gerald: “Examining Obama’s reaction and comments to the Russian incursion and comparing them to McCain’s comments and actions, it is clearly obvious that Senator Obama is totally unprepared for serious and dangerous world events like the situation in Georgia.”
I thought Obama’s comments were pretty good; measured and thoughtful, and consistent with what a candidate ought to say about a dynamic crisis changing by the hour (remembering we only have one president at a time).
But I can see where others were hoping for the fire and brimstone hallow threats against Russia, such as issued by cold-warrior wannabe John McCain… with a little help from Wikipedia.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

I am very disappointed in Jim Leach. He has become was he warned about in his youth when he was in his third term as an Iowa Congressman: Washington insiders do not listen to the people and are the problem. This is what Jim Leach has become after 30 years of politics. He has lost his base and his foundation of what made him so beloved and successful as a Congressman representing Iowa. His endorsement of Obama shows that he is more into pleasing his new audience at Harvard and the Ivy League liberal elites, than he is remembering the working people of Iowa.

Posted by: Mitch | August 12, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

Anyone that leaves for Obama was never truly a Repub.
Nobody can go from being pro-life to supporting a candidate that fully supports partial birth abortion…

Posted by: JT | August 12, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Gerald-D,
We live in such a dangerous world? Are you worried about Georgia expanding its borders even more and colonizing the U.S.? And what did your “Fearless Leader” do about the situation over there, oh , yeah that’s right, he cheered on Michael Phelps in the 4 x 100 freestyle relay. You listen to too much Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly. Loser.

Posted by: MarkyMark | August 12, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

FORMER

Posted by: RealDemocrat | August 12, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

geeevil
Get your facts straight mccain even admitted he doesnt know how to use a computer

Posted by: angie | August 12, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

John McCain’s non-Wikipedia draft on the Georgia situation:
“Dagnabit, I don’t care who started it! I’m American and all true Americans hate them Soviets… er, I mean, Ruskies! Besides, my advisors (when not working directly for Georgia as lobbyists) tell me Georgia is pure as the driven snow. Forget Iran – we need to bomb Russia! Besides, I hear they were behind the anthrax attacks.”
And an aide replies:
“Uh, senator, maybe we ought to go with the Wikipedia version.”

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Well lets see. Until this year the economy has been relatively good. Oh that’s right during the spring of the last presidential election cycle it got bad until elections were over too.
So (barring anomalies with the economy that occur during election years and magically fix themselves afterwards) we recovered pretty well and have had a good economy since the market crashes and economic issues of 2000 and 2001.
Class warfare aside I think that the tax cuts did stimulate the economy.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Everyone needs to read the Obama Nation by Corsi. If one third of what is in this book turns out to come to pass, Obama will be one of the worst disasters to ever occupy the the White House, and reek havoc on the middle class way of life in this country. Lets stop kidding ourselves, a big majority of people chosing Obama are voting for him simply because he is black. It matters not that this man will be the greatest presidential disaster to the greatest nation on earth since Mr. Carter, nor what his stance on so many issues really is. Its hard to tell because his stance depends on what time of day it is. Wake up America!!!

Posted by: toto2 | August 12, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

“Anyone that leaves for Obama was never truly a Repub.
Nobody can go from being pro-life to supporting a candidate that fully supports partial birth abortion…”
I would disagree with this for some people since abortion is more of a wedge issue.
I would assert that mostly only neo-con republicans could go to supporting a democratic candidate. Basic conservative principles like small government, low taxes and low spending (neo-cons are masquerading as conservatives they are not conservatives) could not in their right mind vote for Obama who supports big government, high taxes and high spending.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

It must have been a difficult decision to cross party lines and endorse Senator Obama. Our country has been torn apart by wedge politics as well as the vitriolic drumbeat of lies and distortion pounded by hate radio and the Fox comedy channel. I hope this effort by this small number of Republicans to reach across the divide can turn into a movement where politicians think of themselves as Americans first and members of their parties second.

Posted by: Saxxon Domela | August 12, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

It’s just the “OP” these days, nothing “Grand” about it.
I happen to be a proud independent. That means I think for myself, and I’m not afraid to say so.

Posted by: James Hovland | August 12, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Hurray for Jim Leach! I always liked his honest and pragmatic approach. Too bad he lost by getting associated with the Republican party when he rejected its worst elements. We are proud in his former Congressional district.

Posted by: Tony | August 12, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

Leach and Chafee voted against the tax cuts. Nothing more than opportunist RINOs like Huffington.

Posted by: geevill | August 12, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

Steve – actually I just chuckle when they keep bringing that up. As an aside, I think Obama did say 57 states, but it seemed like he started to say 50, then remembered we hadn’t had three primaries yet, and instead of 47 it came out 57. But it is funny to see Obama bashers keep coming back to that one.
McCain confuses shia and sunni (three times).
Oh yeah, well Obama said 57 states!
McCain says at least twice that Iran is supporting al Qadea.
Oh yeah, well Obama said 57 states!
McCain at least three times referred to Czechoslavakia in a current sense.
Oh yeah, well Obama said 57 states!
McCain says al Qaeda will take over Iraq after we leave.
Oh yeah, well Obama said 57 states!
McCain references the Iraq-Pakistan border.
Oh yeah, well Obama said 57 states!
McCain talks about how well he knows the Georgian president, yet can’t pronounce his name.
Oh yeah, well Obama said 57 states!
McCain accuses Iraq of the anthrax attacks here in the U.S.
Oh yeah, well Obama said 57 states!
McCain gets caught plagiarizing Wikipedia while trying to bolster his supposed vast foreign policy knowledge.
Oh yeah, well Obama said 57 states!

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

…… What a scarry thought, this moron running our country ……
Posted by: julie holycross | Aug 12, 2008 1:59:00 PM
====================
Poor Julie.
FYI, we already have a MORON running our country. His name is George W. Bush. He is supported by the oxymoron Cheney.
We don’t need another moron John McCain to take over.
It is time to get some smarts back into the While House. Where is Bill Clinton for crying out loud.
Well, Barack Obama will do it.
I can’t wait for the inauguration in Jan ’09.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 12, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

So there’s some Republicans coming over to Obama … then there’s a bunch of women showing interest in McCain’s Family Values:
http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/?page_id=16

Posted by: Martine | August 12, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

“It must have been a difficult decision to cross party lines and endorse Senator Obama. Our country has been torn apart by wedge politics as well as the vitriolic drumbeat of lies and distortion pounded by hate radio and the Fox comedy channel. I hope this effort by this small number of Republicans to reach across the divide can turn into a movement where politicians think of themselves as Americans first and members of their parties second.
Yes. That is why million sof us CLinton voters are crossing party lines to vote McCain in November.

Posted by: geevill | August 12, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

John McCain and his campaign have had their feathers ruffled in recent weeks because of his incorrect statements about world geography and foreign policy so they obviously made an effort to do their homework on the situation in Georgia in order to showcase McCain’s foreign policy expertise and get a leg up on Obama. Unfortunately, his information was not from his experience but from a Wikipedia entry. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot! McCain’s leadership skills as reflected in the caliber of his campaign are bush league. He’s not presidential material.

Posted by: JTC | August 12, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

You are dreaming if you think Repub. are going to desert their party for Obama. It is the other way around. Many , many Dems are backing Mccain for all the obvious reasons. You have to be an American first before a certain party. Most Dems realize that Obama is a complete joke. And as for the Senate , Congress and House don’t count on the Dems winning there either. Americans want American oil not foriegn oil. Obama and Pelosi think they have this worked out telling their people with seats open this nov. to say they want drilling just to get re-elected again. They have no intention of EVER allowing drilling off our land. They want to keep us dependent on foriegn oil. So all the Dems up for election have to go, so we can become energy independent and also remove Pelosi . That witch needs to GO. America , don’t fall for their lies!!!

Posted by: jewels | August 12, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

geevill – yeah, but you guys are doing it out of spite and disappointment your candidate didn’t get the nomination, rather than out of consideration for American foreign policy.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

All the Obama naysayers will be jumping on the bandwagon in 2012. Obama is going to do a great job… and nobody is going to even remember voting for McCain.

Posted by: Blip | August 12, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Says Pual.

Posted by: geevill | August 12, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

To JT: Some people actually vote the BIG PICTURE and not simply one issue. No one is ever going to find a candidate with whom they agree 100%. And not every Repug is against abortion. So you object to abortion but have no compunction about allowing McSame continue the war in Iraq that has killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, including women and children. Or is that okay because they aren’t American children?
Besides, if you are a male (which I suspect) you should have no say in this matter. Women’s reproductive rights are the purvey of women, not men who use them as method to control women.

Posted by: catpurrson | August 12, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

This needs to be posted every so often. Its a transcript from October 18, 2001 – John McCain on the David Letterman show.
LETTERMAN: How are things going in Afghanistan now?
MCCAIN: “I think we’re doing fine… I think we’ll do fine. The second phase — if I could just make one, very quickly — the second phase is Iraq. There is some indication, and I don’t have the conclusions, but some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.”
LETTERMAN: “Oh is that right?”
MCCAIN: “If that should be the case, that’s when some tough decisions are gonna have to be made.”
Think about that for a moment, and let it sink in.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

45 out of the 57 states will vote for Obama.

Posted by: pt | August 12, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

I am a Republican. I will be voting for a Democrat for the first time in my life and you know what? I am proud to do so. I am ashamed of my party.

Posted by: Jane | August 12, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

I am a Republican. I will be voting for a Democrat for the first time in my life and you know what? I am proud to do so. I am ashamed of my party.

Posted by: Jane | August 12, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

I can see neo-cons everywhere shouting at their TVs that night: “Who let that idiot in the club?!!”

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Jim Leach’s district in Iowa consisted mostly of Johnson County which by all accounts is the most (Latte) Liberal county in all of Iowa, if not the country. I should know since I was a student at the University of Iowa for 4 years and walked past his office quite frequently. Leach is basically a Democrat in Republican clothing. It doesn’t surprise me one bit he would support Obama.

Posted by: borrowedladder28 | August 12, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Note how McCain can’t even build a coherent argument for Letterman.
First he says the second phase is Iraq.
Sounds to me like the decision is made. He didn’t say we have some indication Iraq may have been involved… or that armed conflict with Iraq may be necessary… He flatly says the second phase is Iraq.
Then he backtracks to finding a rationale. McCain claims Iraq may have been behind the anthrax attacks, and if so, that will force some serious decisions.
Senator McCain, more serious than the decision to make Iraq a second phase of the war?
And again, this was October 2001.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

give it up martine polls have shown obama leading very heavily with woman voters as well as having 85 percent of hillary woman supporters as well as most if not all of the hispanic support can you say PRESIDENT OBAMA!!! and i cant belive some woman hillary supporters would vote for a man that laughed when someone called hillary the b word and a man that joked about her daughter being ugly real respect for hillary and her daughter those supporters have!!

Posted by: angie | August 12, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

In a way, this kind of stuff disgusts me.
On one hand, it’s nice to see at least a few Repukes have enough sanity and concern for their country to try putting the brakes on the Fascist NeoNazi wing of their now far-far-far-far-right party.
But on the other hand, it’s kind of annoying that the two choices in this country are the afformentioned ConservoNazis, and the “right of center” democrats who claim to be an opposition party. In 2006, Democrats were given an unprecedented victory built on the premise of opposing Bush and impeaching him and his illegal and illigitimate junta.
However, all we’ve seen is capitulation after capitulation by Reid and Nancy “impeachment is off the table” Pelosi. So in other words… no matter how much illegality and fraud is perpetrated by Republicans, the Democrats are going to stick to their historic role of looking the other way and forgiving/forgetting all the crimes of Republicans.
The recent FISA capitulation (Bush/Telcom illegality immunity bill) was the last straw. Obusha could have easily lead a charge against it… but he didn’t. In fact, he voted FOR it. Because of that, he lost my vote now and forever. I now regret even voting for him for senate.

Posted by: JSG | August 12, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

Guessing none of the McCain supporters will want to discuss this, though.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

Paul
Of course they wont discuss it when you start stating facts they run, Then they come back with rush limbaugh and fox news lies about obama!!

Posted by: angie | August 12, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

Apostasyusa…Obama’s interview with CNN: Ending Bush’s tax cut, raising FICA tax cap, middle income to receive tax rebates( what is middle-income hasn’t said yet) and low-income tax payers to pay no taxes (42,000. that’s not low-income, that’s poverty) increase the 15% capital gains tax rate to 25% that a 60% increase you think employment levels are bad now wait until business gets hit harder with increase tax rates; raise the dividends tax, there goes the stock market, pension funds and anyone who supplements their income, such as retirees, with their stock holdings; wind fall profit tax on oil companies, anyone with good sense knows that this increase will be passed on to consumers at the pumps..tax tax tax…..those are just some of the taxes you can expect to see increase…Me I don’t care,I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I am expecting Obama to win therefore I am rearranging my personal assets; such as, selling what stock I do own, lowering my working hours/overtime to get under that “higher income cut-off.” The funny part about it is…Dems think Repubs will be paying for all these taxes and social programs, don’t bet on it..On that faithful day when the White House changes hands you will hear a loud suction sound coming from Wall Street that will be sell-offs and pension funds sinking even further…Those are the facts

Posted by: REPUB | August 12, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

“Our country has been torn apart by wedge politics as well as the vitriolic drumbeat of lies and distortion pounded by hate radio and the Fox comedy channel.”
It is too bad for moderate democrats that they didn’t listen to “hate radio and the Fox comedy channel” They would have been exposed to some of the realities of Obama months before the primaries happened instead of afterwards when it was too late to realize they voted for the wrong person and were cheated.
Personally I like listening to all different viewpoints including ones I don’t agree with. I go to very liberal and conservative sources as well as ones middle of the road. I prefer to hear several sides and make my own opinion.
I’ve heard many liberals propose to ban or get rid of fox news and talk radio. Wouldn’t this be the definition of violating freedom of speech? I thought that liberals supported freedom of speech heavily and didn’t believe in violating it even if you don’t agree with the opinion?

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

As a former Republican voter, I think it’s important for self-identifying Republicans everywhere to really evaluate both the candidates and their party’s actions in the past several years to see if the Republican party has left them behind.
Obama’s proposals are much more mature and well-thought out than his opponent. The Republican party has lost its way, and I, for one, am turning to the only party that has a way to move forward.
Doesn’t mean we all have to change our registrations though!

Posted by: Catherine | August 12, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Now that’s what I call UNITY.

Posted by: John Powalski | August 12, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Can Obama be that stupid about foreign policy? Obama has called for the UN Security Council to pass a resolution condemning Russia’s invasion of Georgia. Is Obama ignorant of the fact that Russia has veto power on the UN Security Council and would thus veto any resolution condemning itself. Obama is so stupid about foreign policy that one wonders how in the h## the Democrats nominated Obama in the first place. Dumb and dumber would best describe the people in the the Democratic Party who voted for Obama. Just hope when it comes to the Presidential election people are not dumb enough to vote for probably one of the most stupid Presidential candidates ever in the history of the US.

Posted by: Mary | August 12, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

If you’re an independent, moderate or conservative on the fence about whether to vote for McCain or Obama, here’s a helpful guide:
It’s unlikely you’ll vote for Obama if you….
1. aren’t a news anchor.
2. read the New York Times for pretty much the same reason the NSA monitors radio transmissions.
3. automatically conclude that the person laughing in the car next to you must be listening to Rush. Or maybe Obama off teleprompter.
4. dislocated your shoulder trying to explain Obama’s position on Iraq to co-workers.
5. find autobiographies generally more interesting when the author has, you know, done something.
6. remember the Carter Administration.
7. would give a month’s pay to play Jack Bauer’s partner on 24.
8. increasingly agree with Mark Steyn that “almost everything [Obama] says is, well, nuts.”
9. think it’s relevant — despite what the sophisticates say — that several of Obama’s mentors and associates have displayed a dislike for America or a disdain for Americans.
10. think it’s relevant that several of McCain’s mentors and associates are American heroes of historic magnitude.
11. think about 9/11 more than once a year.
12. have concluded that Larry the Cable Guy makes way more sense than Howard Dean.
13. feel a little safer during turbulence when your pilot is a calm “white haired dude.”
14. thought about Hillary’s 3:00 a.m. phone call ad when you first heard about Russian tanks in Georgia.
15. wonder why Obama felt it necessary to give a speech on patriotism.
16. get sorta creeped out by 200,000 Germans chanting “Obama! Obama!”
17. think the jury may still be out on Harvard Law School.
18. suspect “merci beaucoup” is French for “empty suit.”
19. doubt that teleprompters are really magical dispensers of good ideas.
20. know in your gut that defiantly withstanding 4 1/2 years of torture trumps all of Obama’s qualifications and accomplishments combined — regardless of what the elite pundits say.
21. repeatedly find yourself asking “Change to what?”
22. have ever used the term “pompous twit’ in the same sentence with “Marx,” “Marcuse,” or “Sartre.” 23. don’t like being told what to do — especially by someone who hasn’t done it.
24. really like ticking off the media, Hollywood, academics, and PC busybodies everywhere.
25. weren’t born yesterday.
Score (# of descriptions that apply to you):
0— Go ahead, write in Dennis Kucinich
1—3 Obama may be your choice after all
4—5 You think Hillary got a raw deal and won’t vote Obama
6—24 McCain’s your man
25 It’s OK to write in Reagan
corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDJkNGE0ZjQ0NjZhZjMzMGM2MWFlNjcxZWZlNmQ5ZGM=
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Posted by: Tim | August 12, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

ApostasyUSA you are being as partisan as the next person so I don’t see how you would expect anyone else to be non-partisan. Lead by example.
Obama is playing the classic class warfare and greedy “me” politics to try to buy votes. Perfect example is the latest seniors proposal which economists see as a bad idea.
The primary benficiaries of plans like Obamas are people not working or working dead end jobs with no education. They are not contributing much worth to the economy so why should we take from everyone else to give more and more to them?
The continued trend of making middle class jobs more worthless as the poor make more money overall with subsidizies and credits will stifle innovation and hard work.
If someone can work a mindless cashier job and live the same lifestyle as someone working a difficult technical job why should someone bother to go through the education and then the high stress for working a difficult job? I wouldn’t and don’t imagine a lot of other people would so that type of policy will drive america further and further down until we’re just a 3rd world country.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Interesting that these are has-beens of the Republican party.
So, those who have been defeated and have sour grapes are now turning to Obama for a job.
Guess they can’t make it on unemployment and no companies need lobbyists.
The Obama regime will be a good place for loser Republicans…

Posted by: Jayhawk | August 12, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

I just say let the people vote for Obambi, and then when he runs this country into the ground they can play the blame game, that is what is going to happen, he talks a good talk, but that is about it.
I am so undecided with this election, I am just going to sit it out and deal with whatever happens, the media has chosen their POTUS and it is not McCain..

Posted by: tiredofpolitics | August 12, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Obama is planning to increase government spending by over a trillion dollars and fund it via increasing taxes on everyone via, capital gains, dividend, payroll, income, etc. etc and downsizing our military during very dangerous times making all of us less safe. As a matter of record, defense spending as a percentage of GDP (4 percent) is well below the 45-year historical average (5.5 percent), so further cuts would only leave America more vulnerable.
Obama’s plan for taking a trillion dollars out of the private sector will ruin the economy, cause enormous loss of jobs and lower everyone’s standard of living. What makes this worse is that not all of the trillion dollars in new government programs will stay at home as Obama promised. Obama has sponsored an act in the Senate that will give the UN 485 billion dollars a year to fight global poverty–from American taxpayers pockets. Obama says he’s not a globalist, but he is willing to turn control of this country over to the UN. Remember the UN’s Oil For Food Program in Saddam’s Iraq. All the money went into Saddam’s pocket. If you want your hard earned money being turned over to the UN so another tin pot dictator like Saddam can get their hands on it, I guess Obama is your guy.

Posted by: gary | August 12, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Historic progression:
First comes economic meltdown…
Then, comes the promises of redistribution of wealth from leftist Marxists and Socialists…
Then, when the economy plunges over the cliff because of liberal expansion, enter the Nationalists…

Posted by: Jayhawk | August 12, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Mary: “Can Obama be that stupid about foreign policy? Obama has called for the UN Security Council to pass a resolution condemning Russia’s invasion of Georgia.”
Um, Mary, I think both candidates have called for UN Security Council resolution. Why single out Obama for stupidity that McCain shares?
Actually the real answer is both Obama and McCain know Russia will veto it, but then the debate will be at the UN with Russia highlighting itself. It was a diplomatic tactic we often used against the Soviets. And it worked – remember when the world saw the Soviets as the bad guys?

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Obama is the right choice for many Americans who believe in American ideals spoken through an articulate, educated and moral man.
Not a big surprise after the last 7 years.

Posted by: Lee-Usa | August 12, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Jeff – you do realize that McCain ad about Obama raising taxes on everyone making $42k is a lie, right?
But, yes, taxes will go up.
The alternative is to continue growing the debt even past its current dangerous levels. You do realize that a big part of the rising cost of oil is the devaluation of the dollar, right? And part of the devaluation is tied directly to our out of control deficit spending.
Face it – under this current Republican president, the debt has almost doubled. This is perhaps the biggest threat to our national security, despite what McCain and Obama say to the contrary.
Cutting taxes is a feel-good thing. But it comes with a pricetag.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

“”American ideals spoken through an articulate, educated and moral man.”
Right, the man who wouldn’t debate Clinton or attend town hall meetings”"
Funny, I saw about 20 debates with Clinton and Obama. She still ran a lousy campaign and lost.

Posted by: Lee-Usa | August 12, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Paul, You think Obama’s plan to increase government spending by a TRILLION dollars will reduce the deficit? I think not.

Posted by: Matt | August 12, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

“”McCain:“We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats, and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion,”. Obama made no such statement in his call for a UN Security resolution condemning Russia thus showing his ignorance. I rest my case.”"
McCain stated the obvious. Obviously some folks need to be spoon-fed.

Posted by: Lee-Usa | August 12, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

ApostasyUSA,
Who was responsible for the ‘Bay of Pigs’ incident or the Vietnam conflict?
Oh, that’s right, a man by the name of John F. Kennedy. Again, he belonged to what political party?
Hey, man, if you think the Democrats aren’t as bad then you have some major issues.

Posted by: borrowedladder28 | August 12, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

Lee-Usa – “McCain stated the obvious. Obviously some folks need to be spoon-fed.”
I guess he read that on Wikipedia too, lol.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Lee-Usa, Instead of trying to make excuses for Obama, face the fact that Obama was just plain ignorant of the fact Russia had veto power in the UN Security Counsel when he made his statement about calling for a UN Security Resolution condemning Russia. If Obama had been aware of this fact he would have made it very clear that the reason for the UN Security resolution was to put Russia in the world spotlight when Russia vetoed the resolution (which is what McCain did).

Posted by: Mary | August 12, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

All the second guessing is to display disbelief/disrespect at Barack’s victory over the Clinton machine.
It is so hard for some of these people to appreciate that as a highly intelligent, highly educated and highly committed Community Organizer that Barack Obama has superior hands-on political experience.
One of the biggest mistake some politicians can make is to believe the abundant amount of bull that comes from talking heads who never canvass with voters.
The Clintons are in a way OVERRATED; because they lack on-the-ground campaign, where candidates rub shoulders with real voters.
Obama has been doing that for decades. The Clintons have not!

Posted by: Patriot | August 12, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

Lee-Usa, Do you think it is “moral” for Obama to lie about the reason he voted against the bill in Illinois to protect infants born alive after an abortion. Obama stated that the reason he voted against the bill was because it lacked a pre-birth neutrality provision. Problem is the provision was in the bill and Obama put it there. The National Rights Life Committee (NRLC) tracked the bill through its entire path and and discovered that the bill did have the codicil neutrality provision attached. Not only that then state Senator Obama presided over the Health and Human Services Committee that was responsible for attaching the neutrality revision, verbatim from the Federal Bill plus Obama voted in support of adding the amendment Immediately after voting for this provision, however, Obama voted against the revised bill with the neutrality clause included. Clearly, Obama lied about his position. It’s no small rhetorical matter, either. Obama’s vote against this bill puts him on the extreme end of the pro-abortion camp,. Obama is so extreme on this issue that not a single member of Congress would follow his example. Obama voted to allow Christ Hospital and other facilities performing abortions to allow live children to die.

Posted by: gary | August 12, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

JOSH
Hillary voted yes for the war in iraq
hillary went along with mccain on the gas tax holiday(WHEREIS IT) SUMMER ALMOST DONE
Hillary threatend retalition (bombing iran) Oh and by the way hillary ran her campaign the same way mccain is running his negetive and a joke!!!!

Posted by: angie | August 12, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

Yep agreed on the checks and balances. Even though I don’t agree with many liberal positions give and take is necessary to our country in my opinion. The ability to agree to disagree and have compromises is a privelege many other countries do not have.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Jeff,
My family income is below $250K so no matter how much Obama increases taxes for the rich I will never be touched.
BTW, if I were making that much I will not mind paying a few extra bucks for the poor Jane Doe making $17K in Wall Mart.
If I made $100K in capital gains, I will not mind paying an extra $1K in taxes.
Let us all stop this greed.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 12, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Tammy, Obama’s base support of blacks, die-hard democrats, and yuong people who think he’s hip and cool are not open to considering facts.

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 12, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

Mar – McCain just announced that he told the Georgian president today “I know I speak for every American when I say to him, ‘Today we are all Georgians.’”
So if you’re voting for McCain because you feel you know where he stands on this issue, I’ll agree its pretty clear where he stands – for war with Russia.
I’m betting Bush publicly disavows McCain’s words as being reckless.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

“The confused nature of this conflict cannot mask the fact that it is the new face of an old enemy. The contest is part of a wider pattern of aggressive purposes.”
- Lyndon Johnson, another Texan, from another party, about another war, Vietnam, in April 1965.
…Sound familiar? I’m sure in your warped mind that since Johnson was a Democrat then he had to be a great man. Who cares if he gave “false pretenses” for continuing the Vietnam conflict.
So how about the ‘Bay of Pigs’ incident? I haven’t seen your reply to that piece beautiful piece of history, yet.
BTW, you should really see the movie ‘Charlie Wilson’s War’. Here’s a summary from Wikipedia:
“Charlie Wilson’s War is a 2007 biographical drama film based on the true story of Democratic Texas Congressman Charlie Wilson, who conspired with “bare knuckle attitude” CIA operative Gust Avrakotos to launch an operation that helped the Afghan mujahideen resist and ultimately defeat the Soviet Union’s military occupation of the nation.”
Again, Congressman Charlie Wilson belongs to which political party?
Let’s say it all together now…THE DEMOCRATS!!!
I await your response.

Posted by: borrowedladder28 | August 12, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

Paul
He will find out whether he speaks for all Americans in November.

Posted by: jock59801 | August 12, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Tammy – I think all sides are at fault.
But more than that, I recognize that alligning U.S. credibility with either side should only come in conjunction with a preparedness to back it up.
Are we prepared for war with Russia? Because that’s where McCain’s words are aiming.
Yes, I hope things get better for the Georgians, and for the South Ossetians (who Georgia attacked), and for anyone else involved. No, I’m not a Georgian.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

ApostasyUSA, Obama’s support for public funding for low housing projects that went to Tony Rezko and other slumlords, is on the record in the Illinois legislature. Go look it up.

Posted by: Tammy | August 12, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

ApostasyUSA said:|
“Pat, Al Johnson and Tammy didn’t present facts.”
Hey cowboy, what do you refer to? Let’s get it on here.

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 12, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

ApostasyUSA,
Can you say “Checkmate”?….Very Good!!!

Posted by: borrowedladder28 | August 12, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

I never thought I’d hear myself say this, but Bush is going to have to slap down McCain and tell him to stop messing with things he doesn’t understand.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Pat,
As a society we must think about the have-nots and that is what gov’t is also there for.
That is why the wealthy pay higher taxes than the poor.
Not only can the wealth afford the higher taxes, they help society to make sure that a child will not die in Camdem NJ becausde the teenage mother cannot afford healthcare, the argument about the teenage mother getting the baby in the first place not withstanding.
The rich pay higher taxes so that the aftermath of Katrina should never once again be repeated, the incompetence of the Bush Administration not withstanding.
Hope you get my drift.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | August 12, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

SECOND REQUEST
“ApostasyUSA said:|
“Pat, Al Johnson and Tammy didn’t present facts.”"
Come on cowboy. What do you refer to?

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 12, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

Stop with the moral equivalency BS that “all sides are at fault” McCain’s words in support of Georgia is not a call for “war with Russia”. Again, are you against saying anything in support of the Georgian people, our allies, and thus against holding Russia accountable in the world of public opinion for her unjustified invasion of a sovereign Nation? Should the US just roll over and play dead and let Russia get her way without any consequences, even verbal? If that is the case, than expect Russia to flex their muscles even further and perhaps even go so far as to invade Ukraine followed next by the rest of eastern Europe. That’s what your hero Obama would do.

Posted by: Tammy | August 12, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

Steve_NJ,
It’s funny that you fail to mention the incompetence of the racist mayor Ray Nagin.
I’m still waiting on all those compassionate celebrities to hold a telefund for the victims of the Midwest floods. I wand Brad Pitt to make it right, damn it. Some how I don’t see Kanye West going on one of these things and making the claim that ‘George Bush hates White people’.

Posted by: borrowedladder28 | August 12, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

THIRD REQUEST
“ApostasyUSA said:|
“Pat, Al Johnson and Tammy didn’t present facts.”"
Hey Cowboy, what do you refer to? Come on…. Let’s go here……

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 12, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

“What do you refer to?”
I was referring to the fact that your statement was void of evidence of Obama’s “so called” impropriety.
Here’s some history of Obama’s life:
http://obamascrapbook.com/index.htm

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | August 12, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

Much ado about nothing. If we’re going to look at members of the same party backing the “opposition,” let’s look at the multitude of Democrats who are backing McCain and who have changed their party affiliation because they will not stand by and be part of Obama American Idol.

Posted by: Traci | August 12, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Steve_NJ, The rich do not pay higher taxes so the money can be redistributed to “the poor”. All of us, rich, middle class, and poor via, income taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc etc. pay taxes so in main part, convicted felons like Rezco can have money funneled to them by corrupt politicians. Politicians are not in the business of government to help “poor” people. Politicians are in the business of government for power, money and ego. Which in my opinion defines the motives of most Democratic politicians who have conned a lot of good hearted people like you into thinking they are in the game of politics for the good of the “poor” folks. Not true and never was. Just look at where most of the money goes for all of the so called public programs for the poor and you will see the light and it is not the poor.

Posted by: Jim | August 12, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

“As a society we must think about the have-nots and that is what gov’t is also there for.”
Society has become that way and I agree with it for a certain degree but that was not the role of the government as originally intended.
A concept I think has been lost is that with freedom comes responsibility. People want the freedom to make bad choices and want the freedom to escape the consequences of that choice. When you overburden someone for others mistakes you take away their freedom in return for the “freedom” of someone else’s bad choices.
Why should someone work hard and have the majority of their work taken away from them (remember money is intended as a barter system to represent work or value) because someone else is irresponsible? I don’t call that freedom I call that slavery.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

ApostasyUSA said:
“I was referring to the fact that your statement was void of evidence of
Obama’s “so called” impropriety.”
Now we’re getting somewhere. WHICH statement do you refer to.

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 12, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

It just goes to show that Americans are fed up with bush policies and economics and they know that McSame will just be more of the same.

Posted by: con me not | August 12, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

Al Johnson
Aside from attacking me, you haven’t said anything accept that you agree with the postys up here siting Rezco as a “contentious” association.
Here’s some facts:
The Financial Times
Obama holds bipartisan economy talks
Mr McCain’s tax and spending proposals would add an estimated $3,400bn to the US deficit over the next decade compared with an estimated $700bn deficit reduction from Mr Obama’s plans, according to the Tax Policy Center, an independent think-tank.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e23cc97c-5cfa-11dd-8d38-000077b07658.html
GOP senators scramble for lifeboats
Republican Senate leaders — terrified by the prospect of losing five or more seats in November — have freed their members to vote however they need to vote to get reelected, even if that means bucking the president or the party’s leadership.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11923.html
Obama Leads McCain in Battleground States Among Single Women
Poll: Obama Leads McCain 61-29 Among Unmarried Women Voters in Key States
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5416899
I got more…..just ask.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | August 12, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

This is a lot of blather, Chafee and some other fool I hadn’t heard of?
Sounds more like a couple of twits who have had their feelings hurt and want some pay back.

Posted by: dav_0107 | August 12, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

i knew that obama wasn’t really a democrat. . .he’s proof (obama’s supporters are calling pumas repugs. .. . what do they say about this?
obama is an empty worthless suit

Posted by: slowburn | August 12, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

For those who might find this site interesting and a good learning tool.
The three Republicans — former Iowa Rep. Jim Leach (who formally endorsed Obama today), former Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee, and former White House intelligence advisor Rita E. Hauser — announced the formation of “Republicans for Obama,” which will launch a Web site in the coming days that will be a clearinghouse of information for Republicans who want to learn more about the Illinois Democrat. The site will highlight the differences between Obama and McCain on the issues and let them know where they can go to see the candidate and how they can help in his election effort.
“From my perspective, this is simply not a time for politics as usual,” said Leach, arguing that the portfolio of issues that will be passed on to the next president would be as daunting as any since World War II and would therefore require “inspiring, new, political leadership” and the kind of change he believes Obama’s platform offers.

Posted by: beck | August 12, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

beck, Is the change you “just can’t wait that long” for: higher taxes, higher gas prices, loss of jobs, a bigger more corrupt government, a lower standard of living? If that is the change you “just can’t wait that long for” I guess Obama is your guy.

Posted by: Jim | August 12, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

GREAT now maybe Cheney will endorse and we can look forward to the next 8 years. Whooho Repubs for Obama, heck they took care of us the last 8 lets keep them for 8 more. Barak does not have judgement enough or the courage to say NO. NO THANKS . What is next the rich for Obama, like that will not smack of corruption, BOO BOO Barak for being a sell out. SELL OUT

Posted by: barak is bush | August 12, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

“In fact after the Bozo leaves office we should send him on exile to Iraq.”
He should have been in the front lines at the start of the war.

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 12, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Jim Leach and Lincoln Chafee are no more Republicans than Hillary Clinton. It’s bad enough how they were when they were in Congress, always voting as liberals, and now they don’t see that Barack Obama is not WRIGHT for America?! (Hat tip: http://www.notwrightforamerica.com).
Besides, McCain will get more Demcorats than this because many Dems will be turned off by Obama’s far left-wing politics.

Posted by: Gypsy Man | August 12, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

lets see 70% of registered latinos will support Obama , 92% blacks support Obama , also the youth vote , he also leads with the women under 50,
And when the older voters become more aware of his platform to have them not pay TAXES; A nice number should come on board.
Dont worry what the polls say , look at the ELECTORIAL BOARD.. and you would have to ask’ how in heavens name john McCain winning in November.

Posted by: the-numbers | August 12, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

ApostasyUSA:
“You still aren’t saying anything,”
I did too say some.. however I haven’t yet learned to talk without saying anything at all like that Obama dude.

Posted by: Al Johnson | August 12, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

If things continue like this, many more Republicans may end up endorsing Obama…..
Wonderful!!!! Obama is doing perhaps what general Colin Powell would have done had he ran. I’m certain many Independents, Republicans, and Democrats would have voted for Powell. And Obama will also be honored with the same.
See America….This is what happens when people of goodwill come together…..Change we can believe in…
Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: shalom | August 12, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Did you notice the words “EX” or “FORMER” Leach and Chafee, they are just mad because the Rep. in there states didn’t elect them. No big deal, they are losers, How many dems. are going to vote for McCain!!! Now that is a story.

Posted by: SA1950 | August 12, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

Speaking of general Colin Powell…..If America was really prepared to live up to its true potential, the best running mate for senator Obama would be former secretary of state Colin Powell…..
Can America handle the best two on the ticket? Yes, both are African Americans…..So what? That’s not being greedy….Look at all the presidents and vice presidents in history…..Indeed, that is not being pushy or greedy to elect two African Americans together….
That’s just common sense and simply the BEST!!!
Obama/Powell 2008!!!

Posted by: shalom | August 12, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

“LJ Redstate:
then why not have your freedom in South Africa Black man? You are free to exit the US.
Posted by: shalom”
Sometimes it takes antagonizing to get the true racist feelings out of Obama supporters I guess. Nice reference specifically to South Africa as I’m sure that was intentional.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Cryos:
Whatever man….I was referring to LJ Redstate, and not you…..Now, you can join him there if you like and sit around with PW Botha and talk about the ole foolish days……

Posted by: shalom | August 12, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

LJ Redstate:
do your parents know that you are on the computer? You remind me of a 4th grader…..

Posted by: shalom | August 12, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

LJ Redstate:
you remind me of a 4th grader……
have you gotten past the 7th grade yet?

Posted by: shalom | August 12, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

I’m not worried about it I was just making an example. Imagine if a “conservative” made that same statement the fervor it would create. It might have been meant innocently but PC has gotten everyone so sensitive.
I think that the majority of people are intelligent enough not to judge individuals by something as simple as race or nationality. The ones that are I consider more and more irrelevant which is why I get irritated at race being injected into the election so often.
Hopefully McCain meeting the race card issue straight up will keep that nonsense out of the rest of the election.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Obama/Powell 2008!!!!
or Obama/Ford 2008!!!
or Obama/Patrick 2008!!!
or Obama/I wanted to recommend an African American Female on the ticket…
America: you have a long way to go!!!!
No African American female governors or US senators…..America: you got a LONG, LONG, LONG way to go before this country can suggest that it’s fair to all Americans…..

Posted by: shalom | August 12, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Cryos:
John McCain would be wise to persuade Condi Rice to be his running mate….plain and simple…
Unfortunately, race plays a lot into this….and you either know this or you are trying to suggest America has arrived…
Condi Rice would spark more excitement on the ticket than anyone I can think of at this juncture for McCain…..
Why? because we are tired of seeing the same ol cooky cutter type of folks leading this country….

Posted by: shalom | August 12, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

LJ redstate is the posterchild for the Pro-Choice Movement!

Posted by: Cardigans Are Cool | August 12, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

“No African American female governors or US senators…..America: you got a LONG, LONG, LONG way to go before this country can suggest that it’s fair to all Americans…..”
I feel this is an ignorant statement and it appears your basis for Obama is that he is black. Voting for someone because they are black is as ignorant and misguided as not voting for someone because they are black (or any race).
The “long way to go” is when we can stop judging everything by race, gender, etc and judge people for their qualities as a person.
For example Nancy Pelosi was historic as the first female speaker of the house but she is a disaster and it has nothing to do with her gender. It’s too bad so many people can’t see how she is one contributing to our economic problems by “trying to save the world”. And that issue is just the icing on the cake. If Obama can start by getting people like Pelosi in his own party to act bipartisan maybe I’ll believe it is more than just words.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

So with all the serious issues like capitalism vs socialism, high vs low taxation, america losing in a global market, etc etc etc I’m supposed to ignore the real issues and vote on race? I don’t think so; sorry I believe in voting who is best for the job not voting according to melatonin content.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

The Democrat controlled congress and senate have not been doing their jobs. The Democrat controlled Senate voted for the Iraq war yet refuse to accept responsibility to stop the war – just words without action. Time for Dems to make the switch to Republican for less government.

Posted by: Jilly | August 12, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

Condi Rice is very good at her job and from what I know of her is very intelligent and composed; core principles to her job. However I don’t know enough about her to know if she is someone I think would be good for vice president. Her race does not factor into it for me to say if she should be VP.
Yes race is important unfortunately at this point in time but the more we embrace racial politics the farther we move backwards not forwards.

Posted by: Cryos | August 12, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

One Senate bill proposal that the DNC favorite-son has signed onto is to give the United Nations the power to create a military and to give a boost to countries who have a lower minimum wage than the US. It will become more important to stop the Iraq war because this bill will need to redirect the current Iraq funding into the UN’s funds accounts, for distribution to other countries. The balance of trade will become much worse and instead of funding the US military salaries, the UN military salaries will be funded by US taxpayers. Instead of helping our poorest US citizens and healthcare, taxes will go to the UN to be sent to the same countries that are now getting our jobs. The beacon of light will shine on the outflow of money to the UN. Think before you vote in 2008. You will race to the polls to vote GOP when you know the facts and know the real deal.

Posted by: Jilly | August 12, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Black Republicans supporting Obama? … this doesn’t surprise me … black Americans are racists, that’s why 90% of them are voting for Obama, simply because he is black … and, if that’s not bad enough, they are also hypocrites, for while they’re putting their skin color above their principles, party and country, they’re using the race card against anyone who opposes them. White Americans should follow their lead, and elect John McCain because he is white!

Posted by: Gina | August 12, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

The Republicans for Obama are either lying or bewilderingly confused and ignoratn.
There is not a single issue that Obama has a conservative bone on.
*Regarded as the most liberal Senator.
*Supports infant-cide
*Supports Affirmative Action
*Supports Unions
*Supports dining with terrorists.
*Has not reached across the aisle, once, not even once.
*Racist.
*Pimps Christianity.
*In Bed with Bush on support of appeasing Russia.
The list goes on..
McCain/Palin 08!

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Why is this news? EVERY year there is a coalition in EVERY campaign called “(Insert Other Part Name Here) for (Insert Candidate Here)”… give me a break.

Posted by: sam | August 12, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

Gina what about women voting for Hillary solely because she is a women. Same thing right.
And Paul there are republicans that will vote for Obama because they can’t stand McCain. Afterall, there are democrats voting for McCain for the same reason.

Posted by: erin | August 12, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

I’d like to see Mr. Obama pick LOU DOBBS(of “Moneyline” fame) as his running mate. Now there’s an American who really cares about the average American. An Independent non-politician. America should be so lucky–but we’re not. But it was good to dream for a minute or two. I guess I will just go out and buy a lottery ticket.

Posted by: Hardlabour | August 12, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

An election, if you can get past emotional code words and manipulation that other posters plant on these boards, an election is really a referendum. If you like how the republicans ran the country, which was totally under their one-party control for 6 years, then vote for them. If you don’t, vote for someone else. That’s the point of voting. Now propagandists come here and they start using emotional code words designed specifically to manipulate your brain, I implore you to ignore these evil muckrakers, they are scum. Look at this logically instead. Debt: has gone up 2 1/2 trillion dollars since Bush took office even though the stock market rallied, it had not to do with the stock market. Spending: Republicans spent more in their first term than Clinton did in all 8 years of his presidency. War: Invading Iraq was not ratified by the UN, effectively cutting the heart out of that organzition, the same organization we so nobly used as justification for kicking Iraq out of Kuwait. Iraq was not “pre-emptive” because Iraq was not a danger to the US, was not threatening the US, had no WMD’s left and had no ties to AlQueda. In other words Iraq was a completely false war, a red herring, a goose chase. Health Care: 48 million Americans still have no health insurance and many more are “underinsurned” meaning that they pay so much for their healthcare they are effectivly the same as not being insured. 72 million men women and children in those categories. The US Constitution: to many this is our most sacred document, yet Bush refused to enforce many of congresses laws with so-called “signing statements”. His job is to ENFORCE THE LAW. He flat out broke the law with illegal wire tapping even though there was a legal system in place already. He embarrased the US with the torture of prisoners, holding them indefinately without trial, and a lack of oversite in Iraq that led to many bad decisions including Abu Gharib. No matter how much you don’t like Muslims, these actions hurt our world image and created unnecessary terriorism and distrust of America. Environment: Bush right at the beginning of his presidency broke out of a treaty that would’ve slowed global warming down. It wasn’t until last year that Bush even acknowleged it’s science. Now it’s obvious that the ice caps are melting FAST. Bush lost us time to combat it and now there is real possibilty of the world itself changing to an inhospitable environment, and frankly Bush doesn’t seem to give a damn. And McCain who didn’t support offshore drilling for all of his senate history, now thinks that offshore drilling should be our new 10 year plan, instead of listening to T Boone Pickens and Al Gore and focusing on getting off oil completely….So I ask Americans everywhere, throw the code words our the door…Britney Spears is completely irrellevant…is the answer now to to vote in favor of the same party with same kind of leader who wants to do the same kind of things with the same tactics that got us into this mess? Are you voting FOR that?

Posted by: Scotti | August 12, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

Since we all seem bent on becoming socialist then we need to check out Hugo, Raul and other socialist leaders around the world. See how their countries are doing and then apply that to your decisions. Obama is not a new type of politician, will not bring about good change and will put our economy in the tank. Vote for him cause he represents change but don’t complain when you lose your job when he takes so much money out of the economy.
No use here, go ahead and drink the coolade. I have spent many years protecting your right to make unimformed decisions so be my guest.

Posted by: 1post3 | August 12, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

so u wanna talk global warming… there is still lots of debate over it. they aren’t even sure if it’s carbon dioxide that’s causing it (if it even exists). i think that if it does exist, mother nature has more control than man does (man knows too much for his own good). i was watching “nova” on pbs one night last week. it was talking about global dimming. what i got out of it is this (if everything they said is true): global warming is going to happen no matter what. if it weren’t for the greenhouse cause emissions, then global warming would occur much faster. therfore, (again if this is all true) global warming is NATURAL cuz it would be inevitable even without greenhouse gases (which oil may be renewable). at one time, the earth had an ice age. iowa (my state) was once an ocean. greenland (omg it’s melting!!!) is called “greenland” for a reason; it was GREEN when it was first discovered. so as i said… i truly believe it is a natural process, if it is acutally occuring. i think it was around easter (might be wrong, but i know it was months ago) when the “today show” showed a video of antarctica (showing the effects of “global warming”) and the sun was out, but the thing about that is the fact that during the time of year that they had it on tv, antarctica is actually dark (no sun). (another reason ALL the media is so messed up!) i would like to say this… it’s funny how nobody really thought much about global warming until al gore came out with his lil movie. (i don’t trust that man any farther than i can throw him, and bush didn’t steal that election. they’ve recounted the votes MANY times and bush still comes out with even MORE votes; just wanted to throw that out there.)

Posted by: Lex | August 13, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am

o yeah… if we would’ve drilled in alaska and done our own offshore drilling 10 years ago, we wouldn’t be in the situation we r in. also, the only PRACTICAL thing is oil. solar and wind energy isn’t practical. it’s good enough for one house if u can afford to install it (the homeowner, NOT the gov’t), but u would have to cover most of the country in wind generators just to supply enough energy. bye-bye livestock, corn, etc. (life- cuz all that equals survival, o wait… in this country we’d rather have other countries grow our food or have scientists make it, rather than support our farmers or… i’ll shut up)

Posted by: Lex | August 13, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am

McCain 08!

Posted by: Obama4McCain | August 13, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

I don’t think McCain wants Lieberman on the ticket. Lieberman is sometimes cited as one of the msot corrupt people in Congress, and that is saying something. He would ripped apart if on the ticket.

Posted by: Dennis | August 13, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am

I voted for Bush in 2000 and will never vote for another Republican again for as long as I live. They are the worst people on the planet. The hell with Bush, McSame and the GOP.

Posted by: former republican | August 13, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

The GOP is doomed in November. Most decent Republicans are truly ashamed of their party’s record during the Bush years and many are going to do penance for the GOPs sins by voting for Obama. Republicans are right to be deeply ashamed of themselves for what they’ve done to this country.

Posted by: rilly | August 13, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am

LOL McCain is in big trouble. The old guy has no shot.

Posted by: Kal | August 13, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Calculations using the latest polls show that Obama has a 95% chance of winning the Presidency, McSame has a 4% chance, and there is a 1% chance that the election will be decided in the House of Representatives. No wonder John McCorpse is so worried that he’ll get on TV and claim to speak for all Americans, when he can’t even speak for himself.

Posted by: caliguy49 | August 13, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

It’s sad how many media sheep there are out there who blame republicans for all the problems. It just goes to show the do nothing congress spending time political posturing instead of trying to legislate and solve problems was successful. Most people don’t even have the intelligence to see through the shallow sham. I bet IQ has dropped in this country by 10-15 points the last 20 years.

Posted by: Cryos | August 13, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

Cryos – actually, I only blame Republicans for the problems they caused. Unfortunately, they caused so many problems in last 8 years that I think it’s time to vote the GOP out of power and send a message that their incompetence, corruption and malfiesance shouldn’t be rewarded.

Posted by: lev | August 13, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

More Republicans will vote for Obama than Dems will vote for McSame. PUMA is a joke.

Posted by: kyle r. | August 13, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

You know, despite all the sleaze and smears and lies that McCain has thrown at Obama, McCain still has a very, very slim shot at the White House. I think Obama is going to be our next President, no matter how much the racist GOP establishment hates the idea. The GOP is fighting tooth and nail against Obama, but I think we’re witnessing their last gasp.

Posted by: hall of famer | August 13, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Conservatism is a failed ideology. Time for real change and real progress. Enough with Republican failure.

Posted by: Tibbs | August 13, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

Republicans for Obama??? As far as I’m concerned these people never were Republicans, and obviously aren’t Republicans now. At best, they are simply weak politicians with little conviction. Calling themselves
Republicans for Obama is just a transparent political P.R. ploy to make it look like even Republicans are switching over to Obama. However, as we get closer to November, Obama is sinking in the polls, and McCain is rising. And, we still don’t know how many of the 18 million Clinton supporters are switching over to McCain. And we still don’t know how many people who said they’d vote for Obama, will actually vote for McCain, in the privacy of the voting booth. Obama has a track record with 9 days of foreign policy, and 16 months in government, and with very little to show for it. McCain has 25 years in the military … 20 years in government … tons of foreign policy experience … proven commitment to this country, as a war hero who paid dearly. If you look at the facts, instead of Obama’s smoke and mirrors, it’s obvious that Senator John McCain should be our next President.

Posted by: Howard | August 13, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

The media wants this race to appear like it’s close, but I smell a landslide for Obama. Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | August 13, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

When is the loser the winner?? When Obama is the Dem nominated candidate and McCain is the Repub nominated candidate and we have a re-election in 4 years….Repubs campaigning for Dems and Dems campaigning for Repubs….

Posted by: CuriousIndep. | August 13, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Gina: I agree with your previous statement about blacks voting for obama just cuz he’s black. think about this: oprah built houses for victims of katrina. all but one or two of the families were black. now, she’s NOT considered a racist. however, if it would have been a white person that did just the opposite (build houses for mostly white), then that person would be considered racist (even if they aren’t really racist). also, it’s interesting how it’s “politically incorrect” to refer to black ppl as “niggers,” but i sure do hear a lot of black ppl using that term on tv. (just another observation) i only know/am friends with 2 people that aren’t 100% white (one is black and one is half arabic), but r ppl gonna call me racist even though i’m not? i understand why many ppl r racist against blacks. many tend to be more lazy and many live off the gov’t (white ppl too moreso with blacks). however, look at the history of african americans. this country set them up from failure once slavery ended. they were given 40 acres & a mule and were supported by the gov’t. again, i’m not racist, nor am i trying to be. i’m simply trying to explain why some ppl think the way they do. ppl r so hypocritical!!!

Posted by: Lex | August 13, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm

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Well actually according to the studies done on the effects on the Republicans who watch the McCain ads, it is the Republicans who are starting to get scared. Yep, Many Republicans are now calling Obama the antichrist, making the Republicans a more dangerous Bunch!

Posted by: lovinggrandma53 | August 14, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

…and people have been calling bush the antichrist. so… i wouldn’t be making any judgements. a couple of things about the antichrist: muslim decent (obama), everybody has a number (holocaust jews, national id that is trying to be passed)

Posted by: Lex | August 19, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

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