Obama: Public Thinks of McCain as POW — I Need to Remind Them of his Policies
At a Martinsville, Virginia, town hall meeting just now, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said that the public thinks of his opponent’s war record, but it’s his responsibility to remind them of his policies.
"John McCain – let’s face it – he has a compelling biography," Obama said. "He is a POW and so that is what people kind of think about instead of focusing on the fact that he wants to continue the same economic policies that George Bush has been doing for the last 8 years."
Concluded Obama, "so my job in this election is to say I honor his service, but I don’t honor his policies and I don’t honor his politics."
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exactly right. McCain has sunk low, and will do and say anything to get elected (including shamelessly flogging his POW experience). Go Obama!
Posted by: Ruth | August 20, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Right, BO. And the people of Chicago having watched your politics of strong-arming Alice Palmer aren’t that thrilled with your results given most or your achievements were getting your wife a big raise and a lot of pork for the crooks in your circle.
In the end, we’ll overlook the uh-huh, the radical associations, the divorce and all the other distractions but we won’t ignore that in the political arena, Obama plays dirty then blames it on the other guy, uses the race card then tries to hide it up his sleeve, and votes present over taking a stand when it counts.
Say what you like about the irrelevance of McCain’s time in the Hanoi Hilton, he proved he is a man of honor and after the last eight years, that is actually what the people want.
Posted by: len | August 20, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
This Obama is crazy to make such a statement, since public thinks he’s the Messiah. I have to remind him and them that he’s a serial liar and the most hypocritical candidate in US history.
Posted by: young_voter | August 20, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
It is people’s responsibility to understand who is what.
Now, Mr. Obama had a very good chance to show how McCain’s policies are bad by simply agreeing to the town hall meetings. Then, why did he not accept the proposal?
Mr. Obama can vote “Present” or claim that it is above his pay grade what constitutes life and death though he will err on the side of infanitcide.
I think, Mr. Obama, as the English say “your goose is cooked”.
Posted by: Roger Miller | August 20, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
And what about Obama’s politics?
People need to be reminded of his ‘present’ votes in Illinois and his pathetic record in Congress. His socialism tendancies and radical friends also need to be scrutinized. When the headlights shine on Obama, most voters will recognize his shallowness and lack of accomplishments.
He’s all talk and no substance. In other words, a loser!
Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 20, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Has Michelle given him permission to name his VP choice yet?
Posted by: Kitty | August 20, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
“len, that color of mud becomes you. What is it? Republican slime?”
Thanks for reminding me of why a Democrat turned independent won’t support the Obama Nation.
Posted by: len | August 20, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Let’s see McCain supports drilling. opposes abortion.
Posted by: geevill | August 20, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
If i have to keep hearing about mccains pow im going to vomit i thought mccain said he doesnt want to talk about it but prances it around when he can and thats right we shouldnt be concerned about his pow respect it yes we should be concerned about his policies and his future not 45 or so years ago of his past MCCAIN ENOUGH WITH POW CARD PLEASE!!!! YES WE DEEPLY RESPECT YOU FOR THAT BUT WHAT ARE YOUR POLICIES WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS AS POTUS you spend so much time bashing obama I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU STAND FOR AND WHAT I DO HEAR OUT OF YOUR MOUTH AND READ YOU MY FRIEND ARE A THIRD BUSH TERM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: angie | August 20, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
what happened to hope and change? what happened to taking the hight road?
obama sounds desperate to me as his poll numbers go into free-fall.
Posted by: sonia trevino | August 20, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
It is so funny to hear the McCain supporters whine about how “negative” Obama is being when he contrasts policy positions.
But I suppose in a sense… any focus on McCain, Bush, or the GOP could be considered negative… because all those guys are bad news for America.
Posted by: Blip | August 20, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
angie
That was not McCain spouting off about being a pow…It was Obama
Just like the raceism issue Obama crying foul when no foul existed
Posted by: smith | August 20, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
SMITH
First of all racisim is spelled R-A-C-I-S-I-M, second i have firgured obama out thats why im voting for him i have yet to figure mccain out with about 65 flip flops and counting i dont know what this man supports or opposes and yes he does prance around his pow he plays the pow card!!!!!
Posted by: angie | August 20, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Unfortunately, because of McCain’s tactics, Obama is now going to have to “take off the gloves” and start slugging McCain back. So, there won’t be any more “high road” cause it just doesn’t work with these guys. The Roves of this world want to smear cause it evidently works. Well then, smear them right back. Sad, but true. McCain is a fraud and it’s about time people see him for what he is. Start slinging it, Obama. They are asking for it, so give it right back to them.
Posted by: geecee | August 20, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
I’m blown away by how twisted and shallow people STILL are after the last 8 years…
It’s the electorate… stupid.
Posted by: monkey | August 20, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
I knew America was not stupid. I’m so glad they are starting to see Obama for what he is…a good speaker reading his script.
A democrat who is paying attention!
Posted by: Wake | August 20, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
What I dislike about American politics is that people vote on single issues and with their emontions. Two of the most misleading behaviors you can have. All one has to do is look at the facts and the choice for president should be simple. Aren’t you tired of spiriling out of control economy, with high gas and food prices. Who do you suppose got us there? Then look at the cost of Iraq war. Who do you supose got us there? Then look at our failing educational system (no child left behind?) who do you suppose got us there? Crumbling infastructure accross the nation. Who do you suppose got us there? I will answer all of the the above questions with one word. Republicans! America, get off of your emotions and vote with your head. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing the same way everytime and expecting a different result. There will be no different results with McCain than Bush.
Posted by: William | August 20, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
As America catches on to Obama, the polls keep going to McCain’s side, as the latest Zogby poll shows McCain now with a five point margin over Obama. You didn’t see it? Why, I’m sure the media must have inadvertedly omitted to mention anything about it. I’m sure it was just an oversight…
Posted by: Joaquin B. | August 20, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Fact CHECK
Its better than supporting a pandering lying flip flopper at least obama isnt going to veto beer obama knows Iraq and afghanistan dont share a border and pretty much remembers what he has voted for and what he hasnt more than i can say for mr mcbush!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: angie | August 20, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
I have a question Mcain supporters with mccain being well known in senate 26 years running a second time for president why such a close race?? he should be double digits blowing obama away no??????????
Posted by: angie | August 20, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
mccain will retire after november with his millionaire wife, the one he cheated with while still married to wife number one. Obama 2008 will be GREAT!!!
Posted by: pt | August 20, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
angie: Fact CHECK
Its better than supporting a pandering lying flip flopper
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Man, you really know your stuff and what you are talking about, when it comes to “pandering”, “lying”, “flip flopping”.
Your political Jesus will give you $1000 dollars if you vote for him and get him elected. He already saved the money, by voting for giving the Big Oil tax credits.
He promised to vote against and filabuster Bush’s spying bill during the primaries, but wooops, when he does not need your vote no more, he voted to give Bush’s government the power to spy on you, taking your liberty and constitutional rights away.
NAFTA is bad for you in Ohio, wink-wink. NAFTA has been good for America after all, after Ohio.
Posted by: fact check | August 20, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Barack shouldn’t worry. America’s going through the Carter phase of 1980.
I say wait till the debates and the after the polls. That’s whom will win. Obama/? 08
Posted by: Vanessa | August 20, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Obama put it beautifully, I can’t wait to see him run with it. McCain’s temper is going to kick in at some point and show everyone what he is really all about…
Posted by: Marty | August 20, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Former New Hampshire Republican Senator Robert Smith publicly voiced his concerns, once saying McCain’s temper ‘ … would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger’.
That sentiment was echoed by Mississippi Republican Senator Thad Cochran, who told a Boston newspaper: ‘The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.’
more…
Posted by: monkey | August 20, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Can’t wait to see Biden debate romney. I really enjoyed the “deer in the headlights” look dan quayle had when he was in the VP debate. romney will be blown right back to michigan.
Posted by: pt | August 20, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Obama the anti-American failure to visit America’s Heroes in Germany.
He really is grasping at straws, when he has to resort to using McCains POW experience and trying to turn things into a negative.
Mr Obama Just hit my Lower than Scum List.
Someone should tell him, that his mind games he is playing on the American people might work on some, It will not work on All or the majority.
He has always been the most hateful candidate, with his evil smears on everyone, attacking everyone, blaming everyone.
Posted by: seah | August 20, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Better McBush than OFarrakhan, OWright, ORezko and OAyers.
Posted by: drjohn | August 20, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Wonderful, I think you’ve got it!!!
Posted by: y.sister | August 20, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Posted by: pt | Aug 20, 2008 2:23:59 PM
You really like to kid yourself, don’t you?
The only reason Romney isn’t the nominee is because he’s a Mormon. Romney would send Biden’s spinning. Biden only knows what he plagiarizes.
Posted by: drjohn | August 20, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Romney would send Biden’s spinning. Biden only knows what he plagiarizes.
Posted by: drjohn | Aug 20, 2008 2:26:58 PM
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You got everything wrong. Biden would kick Romney’s you-know-what, and the plagiarizer is Zero-bama, and don’t keep bringing up a meer lack of attribution at one speech 20 years ago to smear a good man.
Posted by: fact check | August 20, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Perhaps a good “Keating 5″ reference here and there would be nice…
When the story broke, McCain did nothing to help himself. When reporters first called him, he was furious. Caught out in the open, the former fighter pilot let go with a barrage of cover fire. Sen. Hothead came out in all his glory.
”You’re a liar,”’ McCain snapped Sept. 29 when a Republic reporter asked him about business ties between his wife and Keating.
”That’s the spouse’s involvement, you idiot,” McCain said later in the same conversation. ”You do understand English, don’t you?”
He also belittled the reporters when they asked about his wife’s ties to Keating.
”It’s up to you to find that out, kids.”
And then he played the POW card.
”Even the Vietnamese didn’t question my ethics,” McCain said.
Posted by: monkey | August 20, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
I could not believe my eyes watching CNN Video McCain explaining his moral failure.
He admitted he lied to Cindy about his real age, as she was younger than him.
He has affairs for several years while he was still in his first marriage.
He dated Cindy while he was still married to his first wife Carol.
What a complicated man!!! I think John Edwards is better off!!
Posted by: Peace | August 20, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
John Mccain in an effort to pander to idependants will select a pro choice VP there by riuning his chances to get the evangelical vote. Which in turn will vote Obama because his economic policies are better. Rpublicans, once thought to be great stewards economy, have no leg leg to stand on anymore.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
last time i checked obama didnt get his speeches from wikipedia or stories about his pow years from an author
Posted by: bhrandon | August 20, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
o be sure, McCain has been a consistent, if not adamant, critic of Russia. And the work his advisers did on behalf of that country seemed to have little influence on him during the recent outbreak of hostilities in Georgia. But if McCain defends the work of Scheunemann by saying he was on the side of good, it would be nice to know his feelings about the lobbying done by aides on the other side of the fight.
The McCain campaign did not immediately return requests for comment.
its ok for georgia and the US to invade countries but when russia protects itself, then russia needs to go!
mccain, why dont you do what the georgian president asked and stop your rhetoric and take some action
or do you not want to come off as presumptuous as you have already come across?
Mccain is soooo full of himself…
Posted by: bhrandon | August 20, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
To mirror Obama’s statement: His supporters think of him as half-American. McCain should remind them his thinking is at most so.
Posted by: Obama-Yah-Wright | August 20, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
HERE COMES ANOTHER FLIP FROM MCCAIN
My colleague Alex Burns caught another interesting nugget in McCain’s chat with Laura Ingraham. Asked about his opposition to drilling in ANWR, McCain said he would “continue to examine the issue” before talking more about his support for expanded nuclear power.
Posted by: bhrandon | August 20, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
It’s good to see that Obama is finally penetrating the POW firewall McCain has surrounded himself with.
Keep it up!
Posted by: Lou | August 20, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Im an obama support i dont think hes half american, not sure is this a new mccain talking point?
i thought he didnt want to attack his patriotism… oh wait too late, hes accusing him of treason
mccain should realize that attacking everyone with force is not hte answer
Posted by: bhrandon | August 20, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
Obama the unknown can only lose support. He cannot siphon support from McCain. Thatis why the handwriting is on the wall and it says landslide defeat for Obama.
Posted by: geevill | August 20, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Posted by Dave Johnson at
Here are three questions for John McCain. They will not be asked.
1) IF your military commanders tell you that The Surge needs to be continued, and that more troops are needed in Afghanistan, will you implement the draft to keep the country protected?
2) IF your statement that lowering taxes brings more revenue to the government turn out not to work, and the deficit continues to grow, what will you do?
3) AT the Saddleback Forum you were asked, “At what point does a baby receive human rights?” You answered “At conception.”So I have two questions for you.
One: There is a fire at a fertility clinic. In one room there is a 3-month-old baby. In another is a thermos with 3,000 fertilized eggs. You have time to save the baby or the thermos. Which do you save?
Two: If a woman has intercourse and an egg is fertilized, but the woman stands up before three days pass, the egg might not implant properly. Is it murder if a woman stands up within three days of intercourse?
Posted by: BillMar | August 20, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Let’s see..if McCain picks Lieberman, a centrist Independent, he’ll get more Dems who have no faith in BO and are not party loyalists. He may P.O. the far right..but who are they going to vote for..Obama? And this group just doesen’t sit it out….they would still vote McCain. I’m still hoping for Romney. Doesn’t matter…in these scarey global times McCain has my vote if he runs with anybody over Obama.
Posted by: Debra | August 20, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Lots of “low information voters” here, huh? I sure hope those of us willing to investigate rather than merely regurgitate outnumber you in the voting booths this fall. This election is going to be a referendum on American intelligence, if nothing else.
Posted by: pasc | August 20, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
If McCain picks Lieberman he will lose the whole conservative base and then some. If he doesn’t choose Romney then he’s an idiot.
Posted by: erin | August 20, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Actually Independents aren’t flocking to Mccain and obama is getting more support everyday from that group. And the only reason why mccain got a bump is because he panders to religous people. But that support for Mccain is going to go down hill when he picks a loser like Liberman for VP. He makes no sense and people on here only offer a blind hatred of Obama. They don’t review his policies. They don’t listen to what he says they just say I don’t know him tune him out and never even give the guy a chance. But whatever luckly most of you can’t get off your couch and put the cheeto’s away to go vote.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Obama always the victim…..pulls out the race card when Clintons didn’t, pulls out the POW card, when McCain doesn’t talk about it enough at his town halls and his backers were always pushing him to share more. All those that tuned in to Saddleback forum probably learned for the first time a couple of McCain’s experiences (unlike the rest of us who’ve educated ourselves about both candidates).
Obama can never take responsibility for his own shortcomings….never sees anything wrong in himself, yet McCain said he’s an imperfect person at the Forum. Egomaniacs are like that…..can never say they made a mistake and never learn from them. He is so unfit for POTUS.
Posted by: Debra | August 20, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Joe..we don’t want to give Obama “a chance” for the hightest office in this country because of his lack of JUDGEMENT. His written up policies that his “team Obama” create for him are of no interest when a candidate has no credibility, and no JUDGEMENT. Ya just don’t hang with terriorists and criminals and COUNTRY HATING MENTORS/REVERENDS.
Posted by: Debra | August 20, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
WHY ISNT MCCAIN BLOWING OBAMA AWAY, IN SENATE FOR 26 YEARS VERY WELL KNOWN RUNNING A SECOND TIME HE SHOULD BE DOUBLE DIGITS AHEAD NOW NO????? ANYBODY HAVE AN ANSWER???
Posted by: angie | August 20, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Rev. Wright
Bill Ayers
Street activist with 140 days in the Senate.
An empty vessel reading a teleprompter.
Posted by: hap | August 20, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Debra thinks mccain is smarter than obama? LMAO!!! So did you know Mccain cheated on his first wife, called his second wife a c then had his mom sue his first wife. Another thing go look up what mccain said after 9/11 he basicly wants to start WW3. This guy just wants to war monger. so is mccain starting a draft to keep poland safe now when russia invades it? They have a right to. I know if Russia built a “missle defense shield” in Brazil we would blow it off the map.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
LACK OF JUDGMENT!!!! LMAO!!!!! We wouldn’t even be in Iraq now if Obama had his way! Not Mccain if mcain had his way we would be at war with North Korea Russia Iran Afganastan China Pakastan. Look it up he said thats who he would go after! The weeks after 9/11 thats what he was advocating. Now you want to talk about Lack of judgment. There is a prime exsample of Mcsames.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
When you have nothing to talk about, His Nothingness will accuse someone’s records and accomplishments first and to blame them first for comparing with his nothingness, BEFORE they ever have done it Nor have they intended of doing it.
This is a Phony Pre-emptive Strike, for the purpose of simply hiding his empty nothingness from being exposed.
Again, if you have nothing to show, of course, you blame them first for having lots of accomplishments and heroism.
Posted by: Olbermn3 | August 20, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Come on! Obama has promised everybody everything. There’s no way half of what he promised won’t result in more taxes. If not income taxes, there will be use taxes which always hits the poor. His foreign policy will shut down trade and make everything more expensive – just like synthetic fuels proposed by his chief advisor Dashle (lobbiest for 3 agribusinesses) raised the price of food.
As John Playfair said 150 years ago, “All taxes are ultimately paid for the poor”.
Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 20, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Seems to me
Obama has very little of himself invested in this country, the USA. McCain, on the other hand, bleeds red, white and blue….
Obama sounded good at first, (Hillary was so dreadful), but now I do not trust him. He has absolutely no gravitas. A total light-weight..
Posted by: Lola | August 20, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Why do all the college-educated economists and media like Obama?
Posted by: Tim | Aug 20, 2008 3:50:20 PM
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Because they have all claimed that China could not conceivably have a growth at a rate of 8% annually for more than 5 years, 20 years ago. Thus, they left the country of no policies of facing the emergence of a new economic world today. Guess what, China has been growing at more than 10% annually for that past 20 years.
They support a phony to hide their own nothingness behind His Nothingness.
Posted by: Olbermn3 | August 20, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Tim
And Obama always tells the truth and never changes. Right?
Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 20, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Poor lil ambitious Johnny, always dreamed of being president. He dreamed of be an Admiral like his dad and failed. He dreamed of being a Top Gun and we know those dreams were “shot down”. He dreamed of being a war hero but turned into a stoole pigeon and a traitor. He dreamed of being above the frey, but was put on display. Remember the Keating % would be the Keatng 4 if not for Johnny. He dreamed of being liked by the GOP and Rove and Bush accosed him of fathering black babies. Now he dreams of being a better experienced candidate, but keeps forgetting he voted to authorize the war in 2003. He’s forgotten that now and all he can do is accused Obama about being wrong on the surge and not having the decency to admit it. Has anyone ever heard McCain say he was wrong to vote for the war against Iraq? He’s a hypocrite and hypocritical people look for people like that to get behind. When you read all the entries you see GOP’ers also have amnesia. THIS MAN CHEATED ON HIS WIFE!!!! She was disabled and needed him. He lied about his age to Cindy, who was lying about to him about hers! He’s lied about when it all started with her. Isn’t this the “family values” party? that’s what you were preaching after Clinton. HYPOCRITES!!!! Obama may not satisfy your conception questions, but atleast he’s a faithful husband and father. If McCain cheated and lied to his wife, what will he do to America??????
I know this will be gone in minutes because the truth hurts and open opinions aren’t welcomed here.
Posted by: Champ Stanford | August 20, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
On the taxes how the heck can we fight two wars keep the roads maintained, schools open, defense spending up, everything mccain has promised and still have tax cuts. We are so far in debt how can Mccain justify these tax cuts someone is going to have to come up with the money. Maybe we should get out of Iraq and save that 10 billon a month and give everone free colledge education I know Debra could use one.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
McCain doesn’t “flog” his POW experience. It is Obama who keeps bringing it up. John McCain rarely mentions it — except when asked. McCain mentioned it at Saddleback — when he told the story about the decision not to take early release.
Obama would not last 2 minutes in the conditions John McCain had to endure. His greatest hardship was having to pay off student loans. The most pain he ever felt was going to the dentist.
Obama could not be very perceptive if he sat and listened to Rev. Wright all those years and didn’t reaize what a racist he was. Obama is a cry baby who says anyone who doesn’t vote for him is a racist.
Posted by: Angela | August 20, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
So since you keep bringing it up. Why is it a bad thing that a president would have travled and lived in diffrent parts of the world as a child? And what makes a muslim “radical”? Why is it such a bad thing to try to understand someone elses prospective?
I think Mcsame could us a little more culture than just getting beat in a POW camp.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Cincinnati Enquirer: McCain’s Ad, on A “Truthful” Scale From “0″ to “10,” Gets A “0.” “HOW TRUTHFUL? 0 on a scale from 0 (misleading) to 10 (truthful)” “The McCain ad’s claim that Obama says ‘he’ll raise taxes on electricity’ is based on an interview Obama gave to a San Antonio newspaper in February in which he said ‘what we ought to tax is a dirty energy like coal, and, to a lesser extent, natural gas.’ According to the Obama campaign, what Obama was referring to in the interview was his proposal for a cap-and-trade mechanism that would set a limit on greenhouse gas emissions, allowing entities to buy and sell rights to emit. If that is the case, McCain is criticizing Obama for a proposal that he, too, supports.” [Cincinnati Enquirer, 7/31/08]
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Angela you are wrong. I don’t even want to get into it. You are the only one calling anyone else a racists. Get over it.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
How many times does McCain get to cry wolf before you realize he is just a liar?
I lost count a long time ago…
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
National Review: McCain “offers very little” to the middle class. The National Review editorial board recently wrote that “the McCain plan… offers very little in the way of direct benefits to Americans in the middle of the income scale.” [National Review, 7/8/08]
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Obama getting tough now and starting to swing….politics as usual. Except he always has his advisors call McCain’s campaign and do the real attacking.
Desperation will make camp Obama do and say things that will really entertain us in the coming weeks.
Posted by: Debra | August 20, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Obama doesn’t honor McCain’s policies -
He honors Wright and Ayers policies.
And to top that off he honors Pelosi and Reid –
Posted by: Carey | August 20, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
I know Angela we’ll just start beating the crap out of ALL the canidates starting in the primaries.. Yea that’s it and the one who doesn’t give up gets the job.. In which case Mccain would lose due to the fact he did give up under those conditons when he signed a statement confessing to his war crimes. Not that I would personaly do anything diffrent. I’m just pointing out how dumb that argument is.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Time: McCain’s Tax Plan “Benefits Mostly Those In Higher Income Brackets While Obama’s Plan Benefits Mostly Those In Lower-And Middle Income Tax Brackets.” “They do, however, offer plans that differ strikingly from each other. McCain’s tax plan benefits mostly those in higher income brackets, while Obama’s plan benefits mostly those in lower- and middle-income tax brackets. McCain wants a tax cut for corporate profits, while Obama has proposed a whole host of tax cuts that will benefit those in the middle-income brackets.” [Time, 7/24/08]
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Obama is behind by 5pt in latest poll. Guess the answer to Obama’s speeches is ‘we, the people, in order to make a more perfect union: don’t honor your electoral tactics and practices (they’re undemocratic), we don’t honor your policies and we don’t honor your politics.’ Now go away and campaign somewhere else on this global.
Posted by: pls go away | August 20, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
What are Wright and Ayers policies? Are they bad I haven’t seen them.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
OBAMA’S PLAN WILL CUT TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS MORE THAN MCCAIN’S PLAN
Analysts Say That Obama’s Tax Cut Plan “Offers Three Times The Break For Middle Class Families Than Proposals” Of McCain. “The tax cut plan of Democratic nominee to be Barack Obama offers three times the break for middle class families than proposals of likely Republican nominee John McCain, according to analysts working for a left-leaning think tank. Families making between $37,595 and $66,354 of annual income with Obama would get an average tax cut of $1,042 per family while McCain’s tax cut for this group would be $319, the report states.” [Nashua Telegraph, 6/12/08]
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Politifact: McCain’s Statement That Obama’s Tax Plan Would Raise Taxes Is “False.” Politifact reported, “So calling it a tax increase might not be considered fair. There’s no disputing that taxes will rise, but the question of who’s responsible for that tax increase is another matter entirely. At PolitiFact, we’ve concluded, as have others, that it’s unfair to call Obama’s plan a tax increase merely because it doesn’t change existing tax law to keep rates low. We think about it this way: The reason taxes will increase is because of tax policy signed into law not by Obama, but by somebody else… the more recent data — combined with the fact that Obama’s proposal does not constitute a tax increase in the traditional sense, since some taxes would be lower under his plan than they would under current law — persuades us to classify McCain’s statement as False.” [Politifact, 6/11/08]
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Why is the anger so much greater from Obama camp? It just makes them look so much weaker….the stronger McCain gets the louder they get. Numbers not looking good, of coure VP choice will be big in this election on both sides, like never before….would’t have been if McCain were a bit younger. He could operate from the grave and I’D STILL VOTE HIM OVER NOBAMA.
Posted by: Debra | August 20, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Hey obama supporters,Have you noticed how the Obama haters start foaming at the mouth when they have any to say about him?
It’s a replay of the primeries,except it is Mcain instead of Hillary,
Mcain lies has flipped here and there.has a well known bad temper.yet people will ignore all this and vote for Mcain.
Obama made it past Hillary’s army and will make it past Mcain and his legions. Obama will just sail on by on his way to the White House.
Sheesh, even people who express dislike for Mcain don’t come across as rabid as Obama Haters.
Posted by: D.M CA | August 20, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
So no one will explain why its bad that Obama has travled the world as a child and has some diffrent prespective on things and lived in another counrty? Or are you just afraid to admit that it isn’t a bad thing?
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
-Why is it a bad thing that a president would have travled and lived in diffrent parts of the world as a child? Why is it such a bad thing to try to understand someone elses prospective?-
-nothing wrong with living in other countries as a child, unless your are stupid and cynical enough to say that gives foreign policy experience.
-we must always try to understand someone else’s perspective, but the understanding stops when you come to the realization you are dealing with a sly, lying egomaniac, who will change the rules of the game to win at all cost.
Posted by: pls go away | August 20, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
The problem is where is the Obama who stormed out of Iowa like a stud ready to take on the world; to woo and win people to his side of view and not the other way around. Obama is no longer himself but an amalgam all these movements. It is about time he returns to speaking with conviction, heart and certainty when it requires, which is most of time, on what he believes and knows is right. The electorate wants to hear his authentic views be they wrong, mistaken or not people only want the answers to be authentic, from the heart and mind. For example on abortion: everybody has their view on it, likewise a presidential candidate must have a view of his or hers too and be willing to express it openly. Here is mine opinion. Do women really want to have they freedom to choose taken away from them ? The option to have or not to have a child should remain LEGALLY open to all women. It is one moral issue that should not be prosecuted in any court of law. It should be about moral education and religious enlightment not legislation and courts. See I have a pay rate to say or write that because I am.
Posted by: Prevacosus | August 20, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Debra,
The reason Obama supporters get upset when they see so much McCain support is because they can’t understand how so many people just don’t understand how bad for America McCain will be.
You want WW3? McCain is the man for you. Expect our troops to invade Iran.
You want to give more money to rich people who don’t need it? Vote for McCain. He wants to directly tax poor people to pay for rich tax cuts.
We, Obama supporters, look at McCain followers like lemmings jumping off a cliff.
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
-Hey obama supporters-
we learned well from you guys, in fact at the ‘progressive’ blogs you guys are still going after the clintons.
Posted by: pls go away | August 20, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
McCain’s commercials are proven lies.
Go ahead, vote for a liar. And when you lose your job, house, children, and sanity expect a good lie to calm you down.
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
When did Obama change the rules of the game? What game? And last I checked it was Mccain whos ran for president 3 times so when you are considering this argument mccain comes up eith couldn’t it be turned around on him here I spell it out for you.
Mccain countinues his support for the war because he’d rather kill US solders than lose an election.. See how dumb that sounds
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Tax Policy Center: Obama’s Tax Plan Adds Up. The independent Tax Policy Center found that “[a]gainst current policy, Senator Obama’s proposals would raise $600 billion and Senator McCain’s proposals lose a similar amount.”
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
McCain’s Tax Cuts Will Either Explode The Federal Deficit Or Require “Unprecedented Cuts” In Federal Spending On Domestic Programs. “Sen. John McCain is proposing tax cuts that would either cause the federal deficit to explode or would require unprecedented spending cuts equal to one-third of federal spending on domestic programs. Once thought of as a deficit hawk, the near-certain Republican presidential nominee is now putting more stress on the traditional Republican orthodoxy of tax cuts.” [Wall Street Journal, 4/22/08]
Posted by: Tim | August 20, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Goodness Gracious! on RCP polls, McCain is ahead on nearly every poll, including two national ones, with Reuters having him ahead by 5 points!
LOL……see super D’s are trickling into Denver about now….be worried, Super D’s, be very worried. You still have a chance to make things right, do you really want this loser fraud Obama representing you, and losing it all for you? You have only one chance, or else, go ahead, and hand the election over to the GOP with a big red bow!
President McCain…maverick, hero, patriot
Posted by: decentAmerican | August 20, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Well here I think the media is stiring up the clintons because it sells no big deal.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Polls at this point mean nothing but hey root for your guy good for you.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
How come the comments here aren’t so much commentary but regurgitated talking points?
Guess the McCain supporters saving up McCain points and the Obama supporters trying to neutralize their influence.
Both sides lying through their teeth.
Posted by: dk | August 20, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Obama is trying to scare voters by saying Mac will be a 3rd Bush term.
So I guess Obama teaming up with Dean and Pelosi is supposed to comfort us with a 9% approval rating.
An arrogant, inexperienced candidate propped up by a grumpy attack dog.
Obama/Biden will be a Bush/Cheney 3rd term or worse.
Posted by: riley | August 20, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Tim– actually, it’s the McCain supporters, and anyone else with reason, can not understand how so many people can support Obama, a man with no experience, can’t talk without a teleprompter, and has lied so many times.
Do you want your family and country’s security threatened by a President who has not clue about foreign policy, as evidence in his weak statements on Russia/Georgia? Vote for Obama.
Do you want your life savings and your job and house down the tubes by someone who has no clue how to manage the economy, and thinks that inflating tires will solve our energy crisis? LOL…vote for Obama.
The Obama supporters are not only lemmings, but lemmings on kool aid.
I often wonder…..America is such a good country, and Americans are such good people. What did we ever do to deserve a candidate as horrible as Obama? I mean, really?
President McCain…..maverick, hero, patriot.
Posted by: decentAmerican | August 20, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
The campaign now has come to a question of who has the gut and the strength to lead the country. Obama is sure a loser on this front. No matter how harsh he sounds or will sound, people will always be reminded of his lack of determination.
McCain may not have the best policies, but he is the man with conviction and devotion to this country. This quality triumph Obama’s celebrity.
Now Obama is starting negative campaign (and even cowardly doing the so called quiet negative campaign). This only paves the route for republicans to use more negative stuff against him — Wright, Ayers. All those kinds of ads will come out later on.
Obama is so weak — he is begging people not question his patriotism, dogging hard question with “above pay grade” answer. All these match up well with his 130 present votes in IL, his willing ness to sit in Wright’s church for 20 years, and his awkward pandering for support among Jews.
He is a joke. My prediction: McCain, an honorable man, will win a landslide.
Posted by: Amy | August 20, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Decent (SIC) American said:
“Goodness Gracious! on RCP polls, McCain is ahead on nearly every poll, including two national ones, with Reuters having him ahead by 5 points!”
How does ONE Poll (and Zogby at that) become “nearly every” except in your PUMA” mind? Wishful thinking,!!!
Obama 08/12
Posted by: jackt51 | August 20, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Jiminy Cricket! The flop-sweat from
the Obama crowd is raising global
humidity to a dangerous level. Where’s
AlGore when you need him?….oh yeah,
working on his big convention speech.
We’ll hear for the umpteenth time that
those wascally Wepubs stole his bacon
in 2000.
Posted by: Trajan | August 20, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Yes Joe, polls don’t matter, especially when your precious candidate is losing, and losing bad. Keep telling yourself that. LOL!!!
President McCain 2008
Posted by: decentAmerican | August 20, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Mccain conrtinues his support of the war because he’d rather spend 10 billion a month, kill Iraqi civilans and United States solders,than risk losing the election…Again. His motivation has always been to be president and nothing else. That is why he has ran so many times. Mccain is an arrogant self serving war monger who puts his intrests ahead of the american people.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
LOL…Jackt — check out rcp polls for today….LONG list of state polls, nearly all RED. Ie…..”nearly every”.
And so sad, just before the DNC convention too. Kinda takes the wind out of Obama’s puffy sails, don’t it?
lol
President McCain 08
Posted by: decentAmerican | August 20, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Your right it is too polls that lean heavy republican. But hey waht ever we’ll give them there glory for now. But the polls really don’t mean much yet.
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Many think of Obama as the hope, change, sound judgment candidate. Its my job to remind the people that Obamas decision to join and remain 20 years in a racially polarizing church,his choice of anti-american asscociates,his liberal voting record, and his major flipflops, on party defining issues COMPLETELY CONTRADICT his mantra of change we can belive in, hope, and judgement to lead. No way, Nobama
Posted by: badger1 | August 20, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
My family loves McCain, our true patriot.
Go McCain!!!
SGM USA, (retired)
Posted by: rey | August 20, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Yea I looked up the polls there are 5 national ones 3 of them are in Obamas favor and two of them are in Mccains. The rest of them show Obama making decent inroads on states that are heavy republican. And winnig easy in demo states!
Posted by: Joe | August 20, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Hmm. How will Obama’s policies improve the economy? I get that he wants to tax the rich. Fine. Maybe they deserve it and that would be fair. Then what?
Also, isn’t that being negative? Obama’s presumption is that everything Bush has done is a “failure” or “failed” (black and white thinking? Is that really true? What about increases in revenue? Didn’t that work as they said it would?) Isn’t it negative campaigning then to suggest that McCain would be a continuation of what democrats think is the worst administration in history?
Could it be argued that Bush’s tax policies prevented a worse downturn and/or recession? Just a thought…not sure if there is support for it or not. Please engage this idea and do not vilify me. Seems like a tough answer for that one, but its probably unprovable either way.
Posted by: Wade | August 20, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
hap,
Your bias carries no weight.The record,which you know,shows that Obama has dissociated himself from Rev. Wright and others.Furthermore, your count on period spent in US Senate is inaccurate.Even if it were correct,you fail to recollect that Obama was also a state senator in Illinois.
Posted by: ObaMan | August 20, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Even with three hundred foreign policy advisers, it still takes Obama 3 days to form a reaction to world events. This is a candidate we can trust? I think not.
He’s too tied up in spouting ambiguities to know what to do with a fact!
Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 20, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Fact: Obama’s tax-cut policies will let the vast majority of taxpayers keep more of their hard earned money.
Posted by: Patriot | August 20, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Obama having traveled to Pakistan and lived in Indonesia in his youth isn’t a bad thing. But it also doesn’t equal foreign policy experience.
Posted by: marylou | August 20, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Real heros do not wear thier medals on their sleeve.Mcain was not the only POW.
This is Mcain’s second shot at the White House,he could not do it when he was younger and he has less of a chance now!
Posted by: D.M CA | August 20, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
-Go ahead, vote for a liar. And when you lose your job, house, children, and sanity expect a good lie to calm you down.-
that is what you will get from the the redistribution of wealth Obama.
Posted by: pls go away | August 20, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Obama only distanced himself from Rev. Wright when it became absolutely politically necessary. That isn’t character and it isn’t kosher.
Obama=Wright. You can count on it.
By the way – why are the Obama-Ayers Annenburg Challenge files disappearing?
Posted by: marylou | August 20, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Don’t worry, Angie, McCain’s lead will soon be in the double digits.
It appears that the Obama kool-aid effect is just now starting to subside, and as soon as everyone is once again thinking clearly, the polls will begin to reflect this.
Posted by: SandyB | August 20, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Obama is a fraud. The forum last Saturday showed it as clear as day. He has no core.
I can’t wait for the debates. McCain’s lead is only going to grow from there. I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama loses by 10 points this November.
Posted by: Truthand Humor | August 20, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Obaman – Youre kidding right? Obama remained in that church for 20 years, only leaving for political expediancy. Nobody is buying your garbage that Obama all of a sudden after 20 years had a change of heart, and ideology,
Posted by: badger1 | August 20, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
I am tired of ignorance, I am tired of xenophobia, I am tired of lies, I am tired of war mongering, I am tired of worrying about my future in this country.I am tired of racism, overt and inovert. I am tired of people who refuse to acknowledge that none of us have rights to this land, WE ALL CAME HERE. on a boat, plane, whatever.
I am tired of fear. I am tired of being so self absorbed and not knowing enough about others in this world.
I need hope, I need change, I need to believe.
I believe in the HONEST,SINCERE, BALANCED, OPEN MINDED, DIPLOMATIC Senator with Integrity.
I Believe in Obama.
2008.
Yes, it will happen.
Posted by: voter in PA | August 20, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
-Obama having traveled to Pakistan and lived in Indonesia in his youth isn’t a bad thing. But it also doesn’t equal foreign policy experience.-
Absolutely, but what details do you have, has the MSM researched, investigated and reported on, about the trip to Pakistan in 1981, about his life. Why the lack oif information and/or obfuscation about the trip, about his religions, about his names, about his relations with Chicago characters, why denial to CDC records. You want nothing to be wrong with it, then come clean with information and people will stop the speculation.
Posted by: pls go away | August 20, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
What democrats cannot understand is that some people (republicans, libertarians) actually believe that their bosses and the rich should NOT be taxed more…say your boss makes $350,000 a year. That’s a lot, right? Well, if he owns a business or has a larger family, maybe not.
He (or she, sorry) has all kinds of expenses, works hard, and wants to be rewarded for it somewhat(okay assume he or she works hard, too). If they get taxed more, they think, for example, crap, I can’t send my kid to the college I want. Guess what, my employees get a smaller raise this year. OR, I am not going to get a boat, so the boat store lays a guy off…computer will not be upgraded til next year, no solar panels, whatever. Dampens the economy a bit when the feds get a bigger cut (not saying no taxes…)
My point is, there is support to wanting such taxes to be relatively lower, even on the “rich.” Democrats tend to fail to see that point and just assume that the rich should pay more and more to even the playing field…. Maybe they are right, but I am just saying there is another viewpoint that has some validity.
Posted by: Wade | August 20, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Wade,
That “trickle down” theory hasn’t worked. The rich get richer and the middle class, the largest group of taxpayers, are all but gone.
Posted by: Llama in Pajama's | August 20, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Yea right Badger1,
I can tell you saw Obama in the pews all those 20 years when Rev. Wright preached the fiery stuff.B.I.A.S. seems to overwhelmingly cloud your vision.Please drive safely.
Posted by: ObaMan | August 20, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
What people fail to realize that the following behind Obama is not a cult of personality. Not by any means. It is a movement of people, and for many, the first time in their lives they have been emotionally, physcially, and politically engaged in this whole process. What you cannot not deny is the inspiration for this movement, for people to believe that change is possible. When you do attack Senator Obama for whatever frivilous personal flaws you seem to see in him, do not forget his influence, his character, his intergrity, ability to inspire millions.
Posted by: voter in PA | August 20, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
20 YEARS listening to WRIGHT!
It doesn’t take a genius to realize 0bama’s judgement is THOROUGHLY flawed.
Try and defend it guys…go ahead.
Posted by: Truthand Humor | August 20, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
-I believe in the HONEST,SINCERE, BALANCED, OPEN MINDED, DIPLOMATIC Senator with Integrity.- Obama.
-honest- snicker
-sincere- double snicker
-balanced- in straight-jacket mode
-open-minded- my way
-diplomatic- eliminate Democratic female opponents with thug tactics
-integrity- once I make you believe “I’m not a liar, I’m just a Harvard latte guy that speaks in lofty terms that confuses the schmucks whose votes I need”.
Posted by: pls go away | August 20, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Obaman – There you go again, expecting people to actually belive that Obama wasnt aware of Wrights ideology for 20 years. Hilarious. Let’s not forget Obama celebrated his right of passage into Chicago politics at the home of William Ayers. Then there is the longstanding friendship with Pfleger. Please stop with this nonsense Obaman
Posted by: badger1 | August 20, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Posted by: fact check | Aug 20, 2008 2:31:26 PM
Biden a good man?
Har.
Posted by: drjohn | August 20, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
McCain lacks the judgment to be president. He has strongly supported every fail policy of Bush.
Posted by: krista | August 20, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Badger, I am well informed , and I will admit that I am emotionally invested in this significant moment in world history. What you fail to realize is that he cannot be held accountable for what Wright said. sure he attended the church but do you also blame the thousand others that were and STILL are a member of the church? The black church is heavily influenced by racial relations, it was built with grassroots movement that stemmed from a legacy of slavery, torture, and continued exploitation of the black race. So excuse me if we have strongly opinionated views and mistrust.
what will this election is empathy, human understanding, diplomacy, and change. And the man best equipped to bring this is Obama.
I’ll see you in Washington at inauguration. :)
Posted by: voter in PA | August 20, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
McCain`s energy policy is offshore drilling. he lacks new ideas.
Posted by: keith | August 20, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
So much for Obama’s pledge to not go negative. Just another broken promise.
Posted by: Terry | August 20, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
-What people fail to realize that the following behind Obama is not a cult of personality-
May I call on the American people to decide for themselves (pls take note of the use of the media for the mases):
A cult of personality arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a public image through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality .. found in dictatorships ..can be found in some democracies as well.
Posted by: pls go away | August 20, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Tax Cuts and cut spending.
The gov’t should stop all the social welfare and give aways.
Where in the Constitution does it say we should study Bear DNA and build bridges to nowhere???
NO MORE EARMARK SPENDING. Save trillions of taxpayer money.
Posted by: susie | August 20, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
voter in PA – No, it doesnt work that way. Let’s stop talking about slavery, and start talking about credentials. The race card expired 40 years ago. Obama is supposed to be the unity candidate, yet instead of choosing a traditional Christian church he chose a black power church. If Obama was so concerned about the plight of African americans, he should have known that the Selma Alabama march took place in 1965 and not 1961, while he was pandering to the black vote.
Posted by: badger1 | August 20, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
depravedmaniac: Sheesh, I am just playing devil’s advocate, in case you didn’t read. I agree that greed can often create more wealth at the top, although your characterization is cartoonish. Anyway, thanks for your well-wishing. Again, assume you are right. What will higher taxes do to keep manufacturing jobs in the US? Glad you have the best grasp on reality here.
Posted by: Wade | August 20, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Llama:
That’s not “trickle down,” it’s “trickle slow” or “trickle stop” Anyway, “trickle down” was an epithet created by critics of “reaganomics,” not an actual economic theory. It may have represented the notion (supported by Al Gore BTW) that “all boats rise..” I think that is the positive metaphor for the same idea…
Posted by: Wade | August 20, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
perhaps i’ll stand corrected as I cannot speak for all, but I can speak for many who feel the way I do. Its personal. Very personal.
And to the comment about him winning the primary with thug tactics? lol, are you serious?
who broke the rules?
who agreed to the same rules they broke?
Who lied about bosnia?
did Obama point fingers about the Bosnia lie?
“shame on you Barack!”
” i shoot ducks and i love guns, people aren’t bitter!”
“Mccain has experience , OBama has a speech”
This freaking woman, who cannot even deservingly be called a woman continually underestimated him, mocked him, attacked him, stooped to an all time low, so don’t blame Obama for her self -destructing campaign. She did it to herself.
I suggest reading the internal memo’s from her capaigne published by the atlantic recently. To have a campaign staff (mark penn) who says ” cannot image America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values” , you call that a good campaign?
Posted by: voter in PA | August 20, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
I see no reason McCain should ignore his POW experience or not mention it.
First, the fact that he served in the military, is a vet, and suffered for it will influence their vote.
Second, one moment in a person’s life can have a profoundly transformative effect on an individual (I know this is true: The lives of the 9/11 victims and their families changed in a matter of minutes changing the entire trajectory of their lives and (potentially) their perspective on the world. My own life was changed radically in less than 10 seconds. I am a very different person because of it).
McCain was a POW for years. This absolutely had some sort of effect on who he became as a person (whether you like him or not).
Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 20, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
“A leader that God has blessed us with at this time”. Pelosi reminding us how blessed we are to have Obama.
God help us if Dean, Pelosi, and Obama control this country.
I never ever thought I would see more arrogance than the Bush administration but Obama tops them all.
America please wake up!
Posted by: riley | August 20, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Well Obama was a community organizer and that was how many years ago, again?
He started in 1985 and if I recall did this for 3 years so ended in 1988 so that was 20 years ago.
And yet, he still refers to it in his speeches
(I still have yet to hear about the results he achieved. I know what he tried to do and the projects he worked on but what did he accomplish for the people he served?)
Maybe both clowns need to shut up about their past.
A little balance here.
Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 20, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Funny how Obama feels compelled to remind Americans that McCain is more than his past military and government service.
By the same token, someone should remind Americans that Obama is more than his past. He’s…um, uh…well…can someone turn the teleprompter back on?
Posted by: FishMonger | August 20, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
-This freaking woman, who cannot even deservingly be called a woman continually underestimated him-
Assume you are speaking about Senator Clinton. Why doesn’t she deserve to be called a woman? Maybe we need to call Obama the ‘woman’ in the primaries.
You want rules broken: take a GOOD READ ON WHAT WENT DOWN WITH MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA, just for starters.
Posted by: pls go away | August 20, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
McCain was a hero among many in Vietnam. There were over 600 POWS. 8 Medals of Honor;42 Service Crosses; 590 Silver Stars; 958 Bronze Stars and 1,249 Purple Hearts were given. It’s sad that the McCain hero in Vietnam has failed to be a hero for veterans and servicemen while in the Senate.
Posted by: Jennifer | August 20, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
So much for McCain’s pledge to wage an honorable campaign. Just another broken promise.
Posted by: Patriot | August 20, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
If McCain is so patriotic, why does he constantly vote against veterans benefits? Actions speak louder than words.
Posted by: Patriot | August 20, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Joe — you still haven’t looked at RCP, have you? You will also see that their electoral vote tally, which they have been following diligently for months, now shows McCain AHEAD with no toss up states. This is miraculous considering Obama was ahead…..way ahead, up until now.
but go ahead and ignore the numbers, to your peril. Never mind that the campaigns follow them closely themselves. And never mind that Dukasis was 17 points ahead of Bush before he lost in a landslide. And now Obama starts out behind McCain, and you expect him to have a mouse’s chance of winning?
hehehehehe……(me giggling in amusement).
And, voter in PA, i am sorry, but I had to gag on my coffee when you used “honest” and “sincere” in the same sentence as “Obama”. He has been PROVEN to be a liar. How can you continue to trust a man who has lied to you countless times? What has he DONE (not told you, but DONE) to prove his honesty and integrity? And as for your attacks on Hillary for her campaign, have you seen Obama’s campaign tactics? No, because they haven’t been released, but if and when you do, I am sure you will find more vicious and cruel strategies that they have used. Things like calling the race card when there is no racism, or playing victim. And when Bernie Mac (RIP) called women vulgar names, Obama pretended to chastize him, and then said “I’m just messing wiht you man”.
This is a man you want in the whitehouse? I wouldn’t let this horrible man near my family, much less running my country. He is an utter disgrace to Americans.
President McCain…..maverick, hero, patriot.
Posted by: decentAmerican | August 20, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Richard Clarke said it perfectly
“I’m sure he [McCain] loves his country. It’s just that loving your country and lying to the American people are apparently not inconsistent in his view.”
Posted by: McCain is a LIAR | August 20, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
McCain’s supporters often want to point out that he had been tortured when he was a POW.
They’re wrong. According to their own interpretation of torture, McCain was merely ‘enhanced interrogated’. According to them, McCain merely endured some hazing
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 20, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Right wing Vet group
Shorter Bellavia: The problem with Hagel is that he does not love America, and would prefer we lose wars.
Somehow, I think that constitutes an attack on a Vietnam veteran!
Bellavia went on to add, “Now, again, with Sen. Hagel — my problem with Sen. Hagel is, again, his experienced is based on what? The Mekong Delta. It’s based on Vietnam, a totally different fight, a totally different enemy, and by the way, it was 30 years ago. That doesn’t cheapen his service. That doesn’t cheapen his expertise. But when it comes down to Iraq, I will take that specialist who’s 20 years old from Decorah, Iowa, who served three tours in combat, over anything any member of the House or Senate has to say.”
Unless I missed something, the current GOP contender for President is not a specialist from Decorah, Iowa but a man whose “experience is based on” the Mekong Delta. Flying above it, anyway. Sometimes violently colliding with it. In fact, one of the only differences between the service records of Hagel and McCain is that McCain was tortured in a POW camp. Of course, if you listen to the Bush White House, McCain wasn’t tortured, either.
Posted by: McCain is a LIAR | August 20, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Mr. Obama better focuses on himself and tells us more about his own biography. I do want to know more about his own “real” policies and his own “records”…unless he wants to hide behind McCain policies and records
Posted by: frieda | August 20, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
I thought Obama was always finding common ground with his opposition and was a uniter? Why is he being “so mean?” Heh heh.
Posted by: Wade | August 20, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Badger1 -
I’m afraid that the race card did not expire forty years ago. The LA Times/Bloomberg most recent poll found that nearly one out of five Americans do not think that “America is ready for a black president.” Unfortunately, racism is still with us.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | August 20, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
It has een proven that Mccain is a LIAR….FACT FACT FACT
McCain is a LIAR
Posted by: McCain is a LIAR | August 20, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
hihihi, decentAmerican, you are relying on a Zogby-poll?
hihihi.
Zogby’s final poll in California showed Obama winning by 13%, but the actual results showed Hillary winning by 10%, a 23-point difference! Far beyond the margin of error. Zogby has had several spectacular misses (Kerry 311 electoral votes, versus 213 for Bush, with 14 too close to call ….)
As have a lot of other pollsters.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 20, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Awe, poor Cindy. Caught in several lies:
she was not an only child, she’s got two half sisters ….
And that tearjerker that ‘Mother Theresa’ personally convinced her to to bring home two orphans from Bangladesh ?
She’s never met Mother Theresa.
How Christian. What lovely family values.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 20, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
willem–
just the truth at the time.this guy is scary-and aprofessional lier.
the truth would put an end to his campaign
Posted by: rodney | August 20, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Sooooooo, Mr. Oranje, you are now saying that the polls are wrong, and we shouldn’t rely on them, and that the outcome will be different, regardless of what the polls say? OoooooKkkkkkkk……I agree that poll results are not written in stone, but you can’t tell me that the Obama campaign as well as the DNC are sweating right now looking at the polls. But, believe what you want…..a few months ago the Obama supporters were doing a jig because Obama was so far ahead, but now that it flip flopped (much like Obama!), polls dont’ count?
Suuuuuuuure…….OK
Oh, and every knows it is fact, that Obama is a liar. No doubt about it.
President McCain….maverick, hero, patriot
Posted by: decentAmerican | August 20, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
mccain is a fake –his claim to fame and fortune is his wife and her money.
Posted by: rodney | August 20, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
mccain claiming to be a military expert—5.5 years in the hanoi hilton makes him an expert..wow what a stretch of the imagination.check this guys records —school and military–mccain is really dumb.
Posted by: rodney | August 20, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Which words best describe a real leader?
(1) We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
(2) The buck stops here.
(3) Damn the torpedos and full speed ahead.
(4) That’s above my pay grade.
Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 20, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
hey martin
HOW ABOUT FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION
GO OBAMA
Posted by: rodney | August 20, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
rodney
That was not an original statement.
Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 20, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
POOR MARTIN YOUNG AND NOT INFORMED—–VERY ORIGINAL JFK SOUND FAMILIAR.
Posted by: rodney | August 20, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
GO OBAMA
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION
Posted by: rodney | August 20, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Obama: The more you hear him, the better McCain looks.
Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 20, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Will Obama get a big bounce during the convention? If he doesn’t, the fat lady will have sung!
Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 20, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
“decentAmerican”
I’ve always said it would be a tight race. I’ve even worried on another board that his high poll numbers were dangerous because it could make people who are fed up with Repubs and their policies complacent. There are far more people fed up with Repubs than there are Repubs. Even Repubs were so fed up with Repubs that they nominated a man who they thought was hardly a Repub. Repubs are so easily fooled.
And McCain is in a real bind: go to the center and the evangelical base will be outraged; go to the fringe and Obama will make inroads into the heart of the Republican party.
McCain had to spend his campaign money before the convention and he spent it like a drunken sailor. After the conventions, Obama will have the money advantage to chase McCain down to the gates of hell.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 20, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Just returned from dinner here in Republicanville where McCain just lost a lot of support with his comments today supporting a draft. Friends packing their kids up to send them off to college, many Ivy League are never going to vote for a man that wants to pack their kids up and forcefully send them into war.
Posted by: No Draft | August 20, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
Wrong. What he said, after a woman asked him a rather long, convoluted, multiple points all jumbled together, was that he didn’t disagree with what she said. Anybody would have gotten confused with her mumbo jumbo. He was just being polite instead of saying “Pick a subject and verb and get back with me.”
Posted by: Emm | August 20, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
So Emm… McCain doesn’t pay attention to what people ask him in his town hall meetings nor does his answer speak for him? His own campaign did not send out a “walk-back” or anything on the statement. Town hall is not nappy time.
Posted by: No Draft | August 20, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
From Today’s Town Hall:
If we don’t reenact the draft, I don’t think we’ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.
To which McCain responded:
Ma’am, let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said.
Posted by: No Draft | August 20, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Her life’s story was:
“Senator McCain I truly hope you get the opportunity to chase Bin Laden right to the gates of hell and push him in as you stated on your forum. I do have a question though. Disable veterans, especially in this state have horrible conditions, their medical is substandard. They drive four hours one way to Albuquerque for a simple doctors appointment which is often canceled. Our VA hospital is dirty it is understaffed, it is running on maximum overload. The prescription medicines are ten years behind standard medical care we have seven hundred claims stacked up at the VA office in Albuquerque some of them are ten and seven years old waiting to be processed in the mean time these people are homeless. My son is an officer in the Air Force, and I am a vet and I was raised in a military family. I think it is a sad state of affairs when we have illegal aliens having a Medicaid card that can access specialist top physicians, the best of medical and our vets can’t even get to a doctor. These are the people that we tied yellow ribbons for and Bush patted on the back. If we don’t reenact the draft I don’t think we will have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.”
Not after all that,where is a question mark indicating a question? None, so anyone would have taken the 99% of information that was actually heard (not counting the possibility of him clearing his throat, stage noise, etc) and answered the same way. Grain of sand.
Posted by: Emm | August 21, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Okay Emm…. so why has McCain made similar comments on the draft on at least four other occasions? Why hasn’t his campaign “walked-back” those comments? You state ‘Anyone would have gotten confused”. I beg to differ – Your 72 year old candidate did and appears often “confused”.
Posted by: No Draft | August 21, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
She made a personal opinion statement. Rather than spend another 10 minutes pulling about her speech, he simply agreed not to disagree and move on. Hmm, kinda like when the Dems tack on some pork fat to a bill and Bush vetoes the whole thing until they get it right.
Posted by: Emm | August 21, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am
Emm-whatever makes you feel better, but you did not explain McCain’s supportive comments on the draft on at least four other occasions. She may have had a long statement/question – but McCain is setting the record for a draft. 1 X – a pass – time #5 – bye bye….
Posted by: No Draft | August 21, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
Maybe the focis should be on the Obamas late term abortion issue instead.
In a letter his wife sent out on his behalf in 2004, Michelle Obama denounced a federal law banning partial-birth abortion, writing that “this ban on a legitimate medical procedure is clearly unconstitutional.” Clearly!
The Supreme Court later found the law not “unconstitutional,” but “constitutional” — which I believe may have been the precise moment when Michelle Obama realized just how ashamed she had always been of her country.
Posted by: ruth | August 21, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
BAMMMMM again – another tough shot from Obama. I bet McGeezer is just fuming.
It’s about time someone said this out loud.
Good job obama!! Keep ‘em comin’.
Posted by: julianne | August 21, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
If McCain is going to use his military service and POW years as credentials to be President, then his war story needs to be analyzed. He was never a commander in war time. He served about 20 hrs of combat duty in 23 missions before being shot down yet he received 23 medals. Yes he survived 5.5 years as a POW but we only have his version as to what happened. Some question his story. I know he got a lot of publicity when captured as well as when he came home due to his family and political ties. But can we trust the media hype? Propaganda in war time is always used. Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman are examples. John McCain the war hero could have been used by the Nixon administration to counteract the numerous anti-war veterans who were getting media attention during the Vietnam War. I just wish some investigative journalist would look into the validity of the McCain military story. I wish everyone would really take a look at this carefully and ask whether he really qualifies as better candidate based on a story that he has used throughout his political career. Why is this off limits? I for one am concerned with his neocon ties and “bomb bomb Iran” joke. If he really had to make the tough decisions that a high level officer has to make in time of war I would be more convinced. I admire his service to the country and his tenacity to survive a POW camp but it does not convince me that these make him qualified. Our country is in need of serious reforming to keep viable in these challenging times. I do not hear maverick McCain anymore. He sounds more and more like another corporate mouthpiece. He has even crossed the line pandering to the religious right. Barry Goldwater would not be happy with this candidate at all.
Posted by: Jann | August 22, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm