By Julia Hoppock

Aug 19, 2008 9:39am

Obama to Vets: “I Love America, So Do You, and So Does John McCain”

Some strong pushback from Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, this morning, as he speaks before the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention here in Orlando.

Obama said that when Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., spoke before this group yesterday, "instead of just offering policy answers, he turned to a typical laundry list of political attacks. …he declared, ‘Behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama lies the ambition to be president’ – suggesting, as he has so many times, that I put personal ambition before my country."

Obama said, "if we think that we can use the same partisan playbook where we just challenge our opponent’s patriotism to win an election, then the American people will lose. The times are too serious for this kind of politics."

After outlining his policy disagreements with McCain on Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama said, "one of the things that we have to change in this country is the idea that people can’t disagree without challenging each other’s character and patriotism. I have never suggested that Senator McCain picks his positions on national security based on politics or personal ambition. I have not suggested it because I believe that he genuinely wants to serve America’s national interest. Now, it’s time for him to acknowledge that I want to do the same."

Obama continued, "Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country. I love America, so do you, and so does John McCain. When I look out at this audience, I see people of different political views. You are Democrats and Republicans and Independents. But you all served together, and fought together, and bled together under the same proud flag. You did not serve a Red America or a Blue America – you served the United States of America," Obama said, echoing his famous Democratic convention speech in 2004.

The Democrat pledged that "no matter how heated it gets or what kind of campaign he chooses to run, I will honor Senator McCain’s service, just like I honor the service of every veteran in this room, and every American who has worn the uniform of the United States of America."

The estimated 3,000 veterans here applauded these sentiments.

- jpt

User Comments

They do not need Obama to tell them if they love America of not. Do not speak for other people Obama. How conscending and insulting.

Posted by: geevill | August 19, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Hey Obama, I question your love of America. GO to a church where the preacher says G-D America. refuse to wear a flag pin. don ot honor the National Anthem. Michelle not proud of America. Apologize in Germany for the USA.
You sir are not a patriotic American. So what are you going to so about it?

Posted by: geevill | August 19, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am

The estimated 3,000 veterans here applauded these sentiments.
What else can one say. I applaud these sentiments also.

Posted by: Thinking | August 19, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

your Patriotism is beinging quesitoned because of your associations with “Ayers”(know and proved terriost), “Wright” and Rezko and the list goes on. This is the reason and we are not dumb americans and we will not fall for this type of Pandering.

Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | August 19, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Can you guys listen and understand? That speech was a perfect response to McCain mess of a speech yesterday.

Posted by: Truth | August 19, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

I’m just sitting back and laughing at these anti-Obama post. In three months you will be greeting Obama as Mr. President elect. Hahahaahahaha! I bet you angry people will hate that too. LOL!

Posted by: Erik | August 19, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Obama is taking the high road. I respect this, and it will do him well to continue doing so.

Posted by: Ben Straub | August 19, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

IF WE ARE GETTING INTO CHILD LIKE NAME CALLING, WE PERHAPS COULD SAY, “I DUMPED MY FIRST WIFE FOR PERSONAL GAIN, MORE MONEY, AND ALL THE REST OF THE SHALLOW WOMANIZING THINGS WE CAN’T SAY IN PRINT.
THAT’S WHY I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT PERSONAL GAIN FOR SOMETHING SELFISH.
(I PERSONALLY CAN’T VOTE FOR THESE PERSONAL CORE BELIEFS)

Posted by: DAVID NH | August 19, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Based on Obama’s background, he said he loves America. So, anybody in this world can say that.

Posted by: alex | August 19, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

I can’t recall a presidential candidate ever who had to keep asserting that he loves America. Obama has a problem and it isn’t his opponents. It’s his own past behavior and associates.

Posted by: marylou | August 19, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

geevill, you wont convince anyone in modern America by saying that you are proud of slavery and discrimination. The rest of us have rejected it, it is time you did too.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

This is the reason and we are not dumb americans and we will not fall for this type of Pandering.
Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | Aug 19, 2008 9:51:16 AM
**************
And yet you seem to excuse Mccain’s associations with Charlie Black, Phil Gramm and Lindsay Graham.
How interestingly hypocritical of you!

Posted by: Llama in Pajama's | August 19, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Just watch his speech it was touching, While john McCain thinks education , healthcare and other BILLS are being too generous for the troops .
Not Barack, he said they deservre everything.. and every help that they so desire. Think about it’ These brave men and women put their LIVES on the line, Its the least America can do to make sure these troops always have a home , free healtcare and benefits ready right away, instead of redtape they see under this BUSH Government and no doubt if there was a McCain Government.
Obama 08/ with so many Bills put forward to help the troops, no wonder 7 out 10 brought up his name when ask which candidate caught their attention during the primaries, bet that number gone up since.

Posted by: military-wife | August 19, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Did Obama also mention that up to the middle of last year, of the 14 Senate votes on Iraq Senator McCain missed 10 of them?
That this year, McCain has missed ALL of them — including one to honor the sacrifices of the fallen?
That McCain has opposed or voted to table measures that would pay for:
- veterans’ medical care
- veteran’s health care facilities
- veterans’ outpatient care
- new equipment for the National Guard
- safety equipment for our troops in Iraq
All this talk about McCain’s heroism and patriotism and love of all things Veteran, and I don’t see that he’s really put any money where his mouth is.

Posted by: eliot | August 19, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Everything free and as high as the moon sounds great. Who’s going to pay for it?

Posted by: marylou | August 19, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am

One thing I do NOT like is any candidate questioning another candidate’s patriotism.
That stuff needs to STOP.

Posted by: Michelle | August 19, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

He’ll honor his service…..while sending out surrogates like Wesley Clark, McGovern and Harkin to attack it (wait I forgot, they’re just being “inartful”). Not to forget he’s also accused McCain of using racist tactics twice now.
What McCain did was to note Obama’s constant tacking back and forth on Iraq. At first we had to stay to ensure a stable Iraq, then we had to get out as quickly as possible, the surge was going to cause more violence, but now are troops had barely anything to do with the lowering of violence. its hard to cite policy differences with someone who not only is dishonest about his policies (see infantacide) but whose policies shift so often.

Posted by: Zaggs | August 19, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Obama looks in the USA to define evil. that says it all.

Posted by: geevill | August 19, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

Mary Lou said: “I can’t recall a presidential candidate ever who had to keep asserting that he loves America. Obama has a problem and it isn’t his opponents. It’s his own past behavior and associates.” I agree 100%. It’s weird when someone has to keep assuring people that he loves his own country. Tells me the Obama campaign know they have a problem, and it’s not just with Republicans coming out for McCain. It’s Democrats staying home or crossing over. And yes, Obama’s own past behavior is the reason for doubts. No one does as much to damage Obama as Obama. I recognized that when he said, regarding Trinity church, “I don’t think my church is particularly controversial.” I’ll bet if McCain belonged to a church where Jews, blacks and the United States of America were regularly condemned, he’d find it controversial.

Posted by: Dottie | August 19, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

Did Obama call Bush “John McCain’s President” at the VFW hall? I bet not.
Obama has shifted his position a bit on Iraq, but he has wanted to pull out just to get us out of there. It is fair to question the wisdom of that, and Obama can’t say he’s being attacked every time someone brings up the fact that a poorly timed withdrawl in Iraq could have long term, negative consequences. Questioning why he has come to the conclusions he has about Iraq- considering the success of the surge he will not acknowledge- is absolutely fair and important. He can’t take that off the table by saying people are questioning his ‘patriotism’.

Posted by: MayBee | August 19, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

McCain only talks tough but never acts tough. This reminds me of high school. Kids who talk tough are always the weakest.
McCain thinks that anybody including 300 million Americans that have not served in the military are unpatriotic.

Posted by: Keith | August 19, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

I’m a vet and I am going to question his patriotism! Obama is someone like who has done nothing for his country. ever.

Posted by: tickedoffvet | August 19, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Excellent speech. He emphasized mccains juvenile approach to the issues at large. emphasized his judgment advantage over mccain. Much better approach than six gun johnny and his bellicose rhetoric.

Posted by: jd | August 19, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

He loves America in the way an abusive husband loves his wife.
America had better give Obama (and his O!bot minions) what they want, or else.
That’s real “love,” comrades.
All you need to know is that when he was asked about defeating evil, Obama instinctively started riffing about how America is evil, especially when it tries to do good.
The O!bots aren’t fooling anyone except for themselves. Probably why Barry-O has peaked in the polls. We’ve seen enough.
I hope he picks Biden for Veep. He’s toast if he does.

Posted by: Good Lt | August 19, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Obama says America is not what it used to be.
Obama say that we do evil in trying to do good.
Obama lived in the cesspool culture of America-haters Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan, criminal Tony Rezko and terrorist William Ayers.
By choice.
For 20 years.
I am not buying it when he says he loves America. You are not what you say you are. You are what you have done.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

Please. When he wask asked if ‘evil’ exists, he looked to America first to define it and failed to remeber the evil that caused September 11th.

Posted by: jose | August 19, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

McCain may have 26 years of experience in the US Senate but his judgment to be president is under serious question.
1. He strongly supported the worst foreign policy in US history(Iraq War).
2. He supported economic policies that have led us into recession 95% of the time.
3. He uses the communist inferior tactics of fear in his campaigning (just like Carl Rove).
4. His only judgment is coldwar mentality which America doesnt need now.
Obama is more intelligent and has better judgment.

Posted by: Krista | August 19, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Has the public wised up to his Saul Alinsky manipulation methods yet? More Hope and Change and Agitation rethoric from an empty suit.

Posted by: Pete | August 19, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Has Obama uttered the words “I love America” in any other speech?
Does he say it at his San Francisco fundraisers?

Posted by: MayBee | August 19, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

drJohn wrote:
“Obama lived in the cesspool culture of America-haters Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan, criminal Tony Rezko and terrorist William Ayers.
By choice.
For 20 years.
I am not buying it when he says he loves America. You are not what you say you are. You are what you have done. And Obama has lived in filth for 20 years. That’s what he has done.“
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McCain has hate mongers like Hagee and Parsley. From your own logic then McCain also doesn`t love America.

Posted by: Kenny | August 19, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

Nobody ever said Barry O couldn’t give a good speech, and by recycling one he gave at the DNCC in ’04, when once again the Dems were trying to convince a unbelieving American population that their choice for president, in spite making false statements about service members actions in Vietnam and after severely inflating his own veteran status, REALLY did support the troops. His words are nice but in my world actions speak louder then words, and his actions are totally opposite of these words. We may never know how deep his ties to William Ayers go, since the old media won’t report it and now the Carnegie Institute is blocking access to the records, but that only adds more to the perception that a Barry O administration would make Lenin look like Gahndi when it comes to suppression of dissenting voices.

Posted by: Just A Grunt | August 19, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

“[Barack] said [the troops] deserve everything… and every help that they so desire.”
Posted by: military-wife | Aug 19, 2008 9:59:27 AM
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Posted by: eliot | Aug 19, 2008 9:59:57 AM
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Really? Cool! I’d like a million dollars, please. In fact, every veteran should receive a million dollars in cash immediately. Paid for by the tax payer… uh, I mean… the government! Yeah!
What? You disagree? That’s “too much”? How can you put a price tag on my service? I’m shocked!
You don’t support the troops!

Posted by: MZ | August 19, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Obama has done nothing during his campaign but repeat Democrat Party lies about President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Clarence Thomas, etc.
And then he gets his little feelings hurt when John McCain reminds people that Obama wanted a humiliating surrender in Iraq.
You are as partisan as they come, Barack. You’ve done nothing but toe the Democrat line your entire short, undistinguished career.
Obama is a fraud.

Posted by: CDR_S | August 19, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

“But you all served together, and fought together, and bled together under the same proud flag.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | August 19, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

IMO, every day spent arguing over these non-issues is a day not spent dealing with the real issues. I want to know how the next President will protect our country and work to solve our immediate and future problems. To me, the rest is a waste of valuable time.

Posted by: JL | August 19, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

I hope he picks Biden for Veep. He’s toast if he does.
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Biden makes john McCain look like an amateur in foreign policy and national security. If people dont like Biden then Obama is definitely doing the right thing by chosing him.

Posted by: Krista | August 19, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

“I will let no one question my love of this country.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | August 19, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

“I hope he picks Biden for Veep.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | August 19, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

I will chose Obama over McCain any day. Judgment over experience.
Why will i chose McCain if America thought Bush could be a better president than him in 2000. That was when he was a maverick. Now he`d be worse.

Posted by: Keith | August 19, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

Character and Conduct!
President of the United States should be held to a higher standard!
I dropped out of high school ( 10th Grade ) To join the United States army. I scored so high on my entrance exam that I was given a choice as to what ( MOS ) Job I wanted in the Army.
I chose The Nike Hercules Missile system as a crewman and nuclear weapon specialist for surface to air missiles. After successful boot camp I went into my Advanced Individual Training school. ( AIT ) The time was January of 1976 The school was in Fort Bliss Texas. When it came time to move into a Top Secret classroom environment, I was the last person given a Top Secret clearance and had to sweat making it into the class.
The reason and the point I am making was that the United states government had to send government officials in to my old neighborhood in Anchorage Alaska, where I had lived and talk to many of my neighbors and friends to determine if I had Ever used drugs or alcohol and to determine my character. I later found out that there were two individuals that knocked on residence doors and asked specifically about Marijuana use and other drugs.
During my work with nuclear weapons (I was 17 years old) I was continually in front of the Battery Commander and asked specific questions regarding drug use and or Past or present Alcohol abuse. If a person in my unit were even suspected of past or present use of drugs regardless of when it occurred he or she would not be permitted to work with or around Nuclear weapons.
The army regulation is AR50-5.
My question is how in the world can a commander and chief (The President of the United States) Admit to past drug use and be allowed the entire nuclear arsenal that the Military commands at his disposal.
As a footnote: In my Barracks were the photos on the wall of the chain of command. Starting with my 1st sergeant and going to the commander in chief. (The president) This is still in every Barracks in the Military!
If I would have been denied my clearance, and at the top of the chain of command was a person who admitted to drug use, How would I have felt. Better yet, how does the commander in chief circumvent this military law? Even if he is a civilian commander of the Armed forces how can you be allowed to control this nuclear arsenal after admitting to past drug use when no military personnel would even be allowed to get near one?

Posted by: Mark Whalen | August 19, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

To MayBee– It is not a hasty withdrawal from Iraq that will have lasting negative consequences. It was invading Iraq in the first place that will cause that. McCain keeps touting the success of the surge, as you mentioned, yet doesn’t mention that he was wrong about wanting to attack and occupy Iraq in the first place. McCain’s support for war in Iraq did not start with the surge, it started befor we even went into Afganistan. Obama is the one that has shown good judgment about Iraq with his opposition to the war from the beginning, and it wasn’t just Obama that just wanted to get us out, it was 70 percent of the american public. Everything he predicted about the war has come to pass, and McCain would continue this disasterous policy by attacking Iran. I respected the McCain of 2000, but the McCain of 08 has turned into a corporate sycophant, who wants to continue war, where ever he can to continue to fill the coffers of the military industrian complex. The picture is much bigger than the sound bites you hear from McCain. I would suggest that you back up as far as possible, and see as much of it as you can befor you vote. Peace

Posted by: Hank | August 19, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Keith — this argument of “judgement vs experience” is senseless. Who says Obama is the standard bearer of “judgement”? Obama does not define judgement….far from that. This is a man with no significant accomplishments in his career, so what gives you any idea that he has judgement, because he tells you so? Do you believe anything anyone tells you without facts to support it?
McCain brings experience, and judgement. Obama just brings himself, and empty words.

Posted by: decentAmerican | August 19, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Unfortunately, amny people cannot see just how honest Obama really is. He bares himself to the public and they call him elitists, racist, and sexist. He has tried to show all along who he is and what he believes. McCain has used personal attacks. Which I believe are not the issue. If you noticed Obama has honored McCain for his service and only attacks his policys. This shows character: which McCain doesn’ have.

Posted by: truthtell | August 19, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

The absolute silliness of Obama is now impossible to hide as he studders and stammers without access to the teleprompter. His abundant contridictions and falsehoods can’t be hidden when he’s on his own. No wonder he won’t debate McCain in a forum where reall people ask real questions.
No way this guy is presidential material! No way at all!

Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 19, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

“I will let no one question my love of this country.”
But for some reason, it takes me 20 years to distant myself from my pastor who hates Americans more than anyone in this world. I don’t think it’s too late because I finally did it.

Posted by: stock_craft | August 19, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

What does everyone mean by : “Obama brings empty words”? I see this everyday in blogs.

Posted by: newvoter | August 19, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

“Biden makes john McCain look like an amateur in foreign policy and national security. If people dont like Biden then Obama is definitely doing the right thing by chosing him.”
Aww – how cute. You’re one of those O!bots who thinks that history started with the Democrat primaries. Are you eight, by any chance?
You do know, do you not, that Joe Biden is one of the most notoriously gaffe-prone, big-mouths in Congress? He’s the guy that let us all know that Obama was safe to vote for because he was the first “clean, articulate African American” to run for office. He’s the one who pais homage to the Indian American population by congratulating them for working at Dunkin Donuts. He plagiarized in college. We gots da videos and goods, so brace yourself.
Bring. Biden. On. The ad material from just the last several years from his flapping gums will doom not only Obama, but Democrats down ticket.
So please pick him. Pretty please.

Posted by: Good Lt | August 19, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Hank, I don’t think everything Senator Obama predicted came true. I said the surge would not work and might even make thinks worse. I’m pretty sure he said that.

Posted by: JL | August 19, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Senator Obama has more class than John McCain.
The President of the United States should make Americans proud, not scared.
John McCain is a fraud.

Posted by: Nobodys fool | August 19, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

How can someone take 25 years to come to terms with MLK Jr. day for a holiday? You have to have some very deep seated prejudices.
How can you employ someone like Richard Quinn, editor of a racist magazine? Talk about someone who really hates America – they still want to secede, for Gods sake!

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Did Biden get any votes? I know he got 0 delegates. both times he ran. Yeah, bring that pompous gaffe machine on board.

Posted by: geevill | August 19, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Some one..Ok let’s talk about lying…In this Christian forum McCain brought up the fact that our Congress deals in “pork barrel politics”, and he referenced a bill to study the DNA of bears. He didn’t mention he VOTED yes on that bill…WHAT A FAKE!!!

Posted by: cindyct | August 19, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Obama stated Americans that died in Iraq “wasted their lives”. These were his words, not mine. No man fighting for their country and freedom for others has died in vain. Obama says “the things that we have to change in this country is the idea that people can’t disagree without challenging each other’s character and patriotism. I have never suggested that Senator McCain picks his positions on national security based on politics or personal ambition. I have not suggested it because I believe that he genuinely wants to serve America’s national interest”. First, Mr. Obama HE HAS SERVED the national interest….HAS, HAS, not that he WANTS served his country and its interests. Obama says he wants transparency, “I want you to know me”. Question, does Obama have any military experience at all? Question, did Obama do any work in the National Guard at all? Question did Obama fill out the form “Selective Service” that all American young boys at age 18 fill out? Maybe Mr. Obama “character” and “patriotism” are important issues for a President. You can’t challenge John McCain because his patriotism is known by all Americans…..we are waiting to see some tiny shred of yours not just rhetorical teleprompter speeches.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

By all means, take Biden . . .
Senator Comb-Over is the biggest know-nothing blowhard in Congress.
The late night comedy shows will be falling all over themselves to parody this guy, the material would just be too good to pass up (even if they are in the tank for Namby-Pamby-Obambi).

Posted by: Brian | August 19, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Wow dude, I dont think we have any idea what John Mccain loves. One day he says one thing then the next he says the total opposite.
RD

Posted by: Jim McDish | August 19, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

>Senator Obama has more class than John McCain.
Really? Let’s dip into the archives, shall we?
“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” – Sen. Barack (no name) Obama, April, 2008
So people who don’t vote for Obama are racist, gun-toting, Bible-thumping theocrats who hate Bush but who can’t come to terms with their own racism and just vote for hopeandchange.
Stay classy, Obama.

Posted by: Good Lt | August 19, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Stock
answer no one!
We had a different safe at the battery under a 3 man rule.
On the weapon itself was a plug that required a combination from the three indivuduals before it could be installed in the weapon to arm it.

Posted by: Mark Whalen | August 19, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Anyone who has commented on Obama here is already in the tank for the guy. There is nothing you can say to them to CHANGE their minds. On the MCCain non votes there is a reason why he did not vote for the vet package. There was billions of dollars in pork attached to that bill. If the Dem wanted to take care of the vets then they should have stripped the pork out of the bill. On his first failed marriage, he was though to be dead after years of captivity and his wife moved on with her life so this is understandable. The ex also has nothing bad to say about him. About marrying money. The MCCains have a pre-nup. That argument is pretty weak to say he married for money. If this is all the bad thing you can say about the guy he is going to have smooth sailing in Nov. . I cant wait for the debates when all we will hear out of Obama mouth is uh uh uh well well, um um well. Which is what he does when there is no prompter in from of him. Let’s face it. When the public, who does not read blogs everyday get wind of the REAL Obama, he’s toast.

Posted by: sam | August 19, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

The order comes from the Preident!!

Posted by: Mark Whalen | August 19, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

consider…John McCain has had a free ride in this election and Obama has been pretty much a gentlemen about revealing a lot of crap he has in his closet. The issues are so much more important.

Posted by: newthinker | August 19, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am

decentAmerican said…
McCain brings experience, and judgement. Obama just brings himself, and empty words.
McCain’s “experience” is that he has lived to be 72 years old and thinks like someone who is still living in the past. And his “judgement” led him to support and to continue to support the iditiotic, moronic invasion of Iraq that is bleeding this country dry with no end in sight. It is that experience and judgement I can do without. As for domestic issues….McCain is lost and does not even have a coherent message except to continue the lunacy of GWB..

Posted by: indy_voter | August 19, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Obama turns his back on active military heros, he will not visit them without a camera. There was more pork in the package then there was money going to the vets, why do you think Obama voted for it, more money for his wife!!
I find it disturbing that Obama is playing politics of old and worse using our Vets as political fodder!!
Please choose Biden, he is a loser too!

Posted by: spock | August 19, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Yes We Can–question Obama’s patriotism.
He is way too comfortable with radicals that hate this country.
One (William Ayers)bombed the Pentagon and stomped the American flag.
One said America is a sin (Father Pfleger).
One said God Damn America to a cheering audience(Rev Wright).
All longtime associates of Obama.
The radicals love Obama.

Posted by: riley | August 19, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Despite ‘some one’ ranting, the US is a pro-choice country. The number of women having late term abortions is so incredibly small as to be meaningless, yet ‘some one’ seeks to put restrictions on all women in the name of preventing it. There are more abortions because of rape and incest than there are late term abortions. Most late term abortions happen because women have to travel out of state or take time to raise the money.
The suffering that the religious nutcases are inflicting on women in this country is appalling.

Posted by: Flash Override | August 19, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

“I will let no one question my love of this country. I love America, so do you, and so does John McCain. When I look out at this audience, I see people of different political views. You are Democrats and Republicans and Independents. But you all served together, and fought together, and bled together under the same proud flag. You did not serve a Red America or a Blue America – you served the United States of America.no matter how heated it gets or what kind of campaign he chooses to run, I will honor Senator McCain’s service, just like I honor the service of every veteran in this room, and every American who has worn the uniform of the United States of America”
This is why I’m voting for Obama. Character, Policy, and Integrity

Posted by: Vanessa | August 19, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Good Lt you ought to get your facts straight. Gore went out of his was to be inclusive for service members stationed overseas, including all ballots even ones that had flaws that could have been legally thrown away.
It is the GOP that is making it hard for our forces overseas to vote.
The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, “Do not forward”, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as “undeliverable.”
The lists of soldiers of “undeliverable” letters were transmitted from state headquarters, in this case Florida, to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.
One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. Jacksonville is third largest naval installation in the US, best known as home of the Blue Angels fighting squandron.
A soldier returning home in time to vote in November 2004 could also be challenged on the basis of the returned envelope. Soldiers challenged would be required to vote by “provisional” ballot.
Over one million provisional ballots cast in the 2004 race were never counted; over half a million absentee ballots were also rejected.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

cindyct | Aug 19, 2008 10:53:24 AM
And what else was in the “bear DNA” bill Cindy? Was McCain vote enough to override the item hidden in a bill with greater goals? McCain used an example of some “pork” and yes he may have voted for the bill.
At what point do all of us stop sniping at each other and vote to stop the congressional madness.
McCain ’08

Posted by: smith | August 19, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

>This is why I’m voting for Obama. Character, Policy, and Integrity
“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” – Sen. Barack (no name) Obama, April, 2008
Character. “Policy.” Integrity.
Laughing. Out. Loud.

Posted by: Good Lt | August 19, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

He wasn’t telling them that they love America because he was speaking for them. He was making a statement of fact. It is people like you that make the political process so unplesant. You and others on this cite always look for the negative even when it really doesn’t exist. You would not have made such a remark if John McCain had made the same statement to this group of veterans. There is such vitrol against Obama by so many on the right. It is time to have a decent conversation and respect for those who are truly doing what they believe in, and that means both John McCain and Barack Obama. Most of the complaints on this blog are so petty one has to wonder what you would find acceptable. It is critism merely to be critism and has no real value as to the issues that should be so important to us as US citizens and voters.

Posted by: sunny | August 19, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Obama may not challenge anyone’s “character and patriotism,” but he is not above implying that someone is a racist because they oppose him.

Posted by: Kafir | August 19, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Come on folks yopu are getting carried away here. Go watch, or read the entire speech and find that Obama made a well reasoned speech.

Posted by: Thinking | August 19, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

Joe Biden is more experienced than John McCain in terms of foreign policy and national security and everybody knows it.
Aside from that McCain makes too many gaffes.
1. McCain doesnt know the difference between Sunni and Shia.
2. Doesnt known that Czechoslovakia has not been in existence for more than 15 years now.
3. McCain doesnt know where al qaeda is. He thinks thay are between the borders of Iraq and Afghanistan when in fact they dont even share borders.
Joe Biden in your face!!

Posted by: Keith | August 19, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

LOL!…IndyVoter…now kindly tell me what Obama has accomplished in his illustrious career to define “judgement”. Nope, you can’t mention what he has said in speeches; what has he DONE. And no, Obama did NOT make a “gut wrenching” decision to oppose the war in Iraq…he was no where near the US senate at the time, so there was no decision to be made. The audacity of this man even saying something silly like that, as if Americans didn’t already know what hogwash that was?
So, waiting…..define his “judgement” that you tout so loudly.
LOL!

Posted by: decentAmerican | August 19, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

I’m concerned that Obama is so ‘nice’ when McCain goes out of his way to tear him down. McCain went before the vets yesterday and talked about how Obama wouldn’t back vets needs. Yet it is McCain who has voted against bills to aid vets or to provide our military with better equipment. Why isn’t Obama calling McCain out on his hypocracy?
Doesn’t this show weakness on Obama’s part?

Posted by: Suzanne | August 19, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

I’ll agree to 4% ogf GDP, as long as we include foreign military financing, homeland security, veterans affairs, interest on military debt, military retirement fund? We dont have to count other government anti terrorism programs if you dont want, but they are there.
If you include all military spending rather than just the baseline defense (sic) budget, we spend over a trillion dollars a year.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Hmmmm, Keith, if you wanna bring up gaffes:
– Obama said in his Selma speech that that civil rights march was responsible for his parents meeting, when in fact he was born before that march.
– in Europe, he talked about “my finance committee”, when he does not chair, nor even is a member, of the finance commitee.
– he talks about 57 states.
– He thinks that the interpreters in Iraq speak the same language as Afghanistan.
– he says that Iran was not a “grave threat”, then 2 days later says that it is.
Forgive me though, some of these are not true “gaffes”. I have to give credit; some of them are bold faced LIES.

Posted by: decentAmerican | August 19, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

jpt writes:
“The estimated 3,000 veterans here applauded these sentiments.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | August 19, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” – Sen. Barack (no name) Obama, April, 2008 Posted by Good Lt.
Please explain (carefully) what is not true in this statement. Many may not like what he said, but it is so true. When are Americans going to start facing the truth? Are we just children and have to have everything sugar coated? It is also true that many Americans are “whiners”; we expect the government to step in and save us from the messes we get ourselved in. We do not want to hear that we need to stop spending and start saving. We don’t want to hear that we need to learn to conserve instead of running our heating/airconditioning at full blast, driving our big SUV that get 12-15 mph. We are still in many ways a racist country. We are so afraid of the truth that we condem those who have the courage to state the truth. We get angry when we are told that we are not a perfect nation, that we too have issues that need attention. It is time for Americans to grow up and be adults. We WILL be a stronger nation when we do.

Posted by: sunny | August 19, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Decent American,
it is a fact that Obama has shown superior judgment than McCain over the last 8 years and this is not a secret.
McCain may have 26 years of experience but what is the use of experience when McCain cannot translate it into decision making?Don`t forget McCain has supported failed policies 95% of the time. Now tell me what judgment McCain has.

Posted by: Keith | August 19, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

This year, McCain supported Bush 100% of the time. When he bothered to show up to vote. McCain – the only man dumb enough to quit a no show job.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Mcain stood there yesterday and told them obama doesnt support troops when in reality its mccain that has voted no to almost every bill for troops look at his voting record its there hes awful when it comes to the troops mccain is a pandering lying fool he doesnt care about our troops he only cares to have them in his senseless wars!!!!! dont be fooled mccain supporters OUR TROOPS KNOW WHO SUPPORTS THEM MORE THATS WHY OBAMA HAS MORE OF THEIR SUPPORT THAN MCCAIN!!!!! MCCAIN IS PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: angie | August 19, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Decent American,
so now you admit both McCain and Biden make gaffes however Joe Biden still makes McCain look like an amateur in foreign policy and national security.
Am glad you did because not too many McCain supporters will do that.

Posted by: Keith | August 19, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

“McCain has hate mongers like Hagee and Parsley. From your own logic then McCain also doesn`t love America.
Posted by: Kenny | Aug 19, 2008 10:30:26 AM”
McCain didn’t live in their culture for 20 years, nor were they his mentors.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

McCain has given more than 20 years of military service to his country. Obama has given his country squat.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

by Decent American
“now kindly tell me what Obama has accomplished in his illustrious career to define “judgement”. “
——————————————
In just two years at the US Senate Obama worked across the aisle to co-sponser
1. the ethics bill
2. nuclear non proliferation between US and Russia
3. Publicly opposed the Iraq war when McCain was massively supporting it. History has proven him right and McCain wrong.
Now name 5 things that McCain has done in 26 years as US senator apart from his own immigration bill which he opposed(flip flop).

Posted by: Krista | August 19, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

What kind of nonsense is this? His patriotism is not in doubt because of anything McCain has ever said about him but because of his own words, deeds, and associations. People question his patriotism because for 20 years he sat in the church of a pastor who screams obscenities at America… Because his wife gives speeches announcing her lifelong contempt for this country… Because Obama’s rationale for not wearing the American Flag pin was that to do so wasn’t “true patriotism.” If anything, Obama is the one who should be apologizing to all Americans for questioning their patriotism!

Posted by: SpencerG | August 19, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

These Vets don’t need Obama lecturing them on the sacrifices they made. What has Obama ever done for this country? nothing.

Posted by: geevill | August 19, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

“it is a fact that Obama has shown superior judgment than McCain over the last 8 years and this is not a secret.
Posted by: Keith | Aug 19, 2008 11:34:06 AM”
Really?
Obama was dead wrong on the surge. And he would choose to be wrong again. When Russia invaded Georgia, it took Obama three tries before he came forth with an intelligible position, which then mirrored McCain’s position.
When faced with a tough question on Saturday as to when babies get human rights, Obama voted “present”, just as he did 129 times in the IL state Senate. He ducked the issue.
Presidents don’t get to vote “present.”
Every time it really matters, Obama falls down.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Krista
Actually, Obama just voted. He DID NOT work ‘across the isle’. Please get your facts straight. Obama has a poor record of working with anyone besides the liberal faction of congress.
You can look it up!

Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 19, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Those of you who make light of John McCain’s as a POW -
What is the most physical pain you have felt in your life — going to the dentist?
You call him songbird — You try being tortured as he was — and see how fast you cry “uncle”. He has already admitted how ashamed he was that he did this.
What was the biggest torture Obama has suffered? Maybe it was when he couldn’t find gum to chew since he made the gut retching decision to quit smoking.
Can’t you remember that Freedom is not Free.

Posted by: susie | August 19, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Smoke and mirrors. Please direct me to a statement by the McCain campaign or McCain that questions Obama’s patriotism.
Also, Obama’s own autobiography seems to suggest that he hasn’t had the best feelings about the US…I think he has shed that contempt to a certain level. However, his supporters may bellow about this, but I know plenty who think the US is evil, and has been for a long time. I respectfully disagree.

Posted by: Wade | August 19, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Krista
A community organizer does not do much to get people off charity. It’s a political position that strong-arms people into voting the way the party wants them to vote.
What Obama did very well was to work with Rezko to cheat charity folk out of their community dwellings and into slums.
You can look it up!

Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 19, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Obama has shown ZERO ability to work across the aisle. You cannot name a single instance in which he did.
And that includes all the 3 bills he ever managed to get into law, and he didn’t even vote for the last one. The first two in the IL state Senate.
It’s quite the level of accomplishment.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

“I have never suggested that Senator McCain picks his positions on national security based on politics or personal ambition.”
Indeed, His Holiness would never throw out a personal attack, he is too good for such low behavior.

Posted by: Matushka | August 19, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

oh man, haha. poor guy looks like he’s trying way too hard.

Posted by: venicesurfer | August 19, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Sorry Senator Obama, but the right to question is a basic right of the Constitution under freedom of speech. It gives the voters the right to question your patriotism based on your past associations and you the right to call them bitter because they ask these questions.

Posted by: len | August 19, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Obama keeps his promises — what happened to his promise to debate McCain “anywhere, anytime.”?
After last weekend we all know why he won’t keep this one.
Like today — he is fine in front of a teleprompter — but duh and mmmm won’t cut it in a real debate.
If they could, his team of handlers wouldn’t even do the 3 they have committed to. Maybe BHO will back out at the last minute and “be sick”.
America deserves head to head debates.

Posted by: Angela | August 19, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

I simply can’t figure out how Obama has managed to convince so many people that he should be the President of the United States.
Obama is not proud of the country that he wants to lead…and neither is his wife.
He claims to have the “judgment” to lead. Yet his judgment has been faulty when selecting associates like Rezko and Ayres. It only took him 20 years to realize his pastor was a vile spewing and hate filled anti-American. He threw his white, racist grandmother under the bus before he resurrected her as one of the people he would seek advice from at the Saddleback Forum. He believes people in the heartland are bible thumpin’, gun totin’ rubes who don’t know the difference between a dandelion and arugula. His position changes on any given day to suit his audience.

Posted by: Barb Dwyer | August 19, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

If he wants everyone to get together and unite, then why does he keep calling PResident Bush “McCain’s PResident”?

Posted by: Dude | August 19, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Remind me again why does this guy has to keep asserting he loves America?
Oh, right, his own wife (one of his ’3 wise men’) said in public that America is ‘downright mean’, and for the first time in her adult life she’s proud of America. And his pastor and mentor screams ‘G-D America!’.

Posted by: Rick | August 19, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Barb, you cant come up with a single policy of Obama’s to criticize so you have to resort to ad hominem attacks.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Jake, when I read your post, I thought I would appreciate what Obama had to say. Then I watched the clip of Obama. I felt like I was being lectured to. Obama seems very cranky and self-righteous. Not an attractive combination.

Posted by: Nancy | August 19, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

“Obama has shown ZERO ability to work across the aisle. You cannot name a single instance in which he did.“
================================
You right wing bloggers dont even know how to lie.
Obama has worked across the aisle on 2 bills; the ethics reform bill and the nuclear disarmament bill between US and russia.
“ Obama voted “present”, just as he did 129 times in the IL state Senate. He ducked the issue.“
At least Obama shows up but McCain will not show up at all to vote on bill for political reasons. McCain has never voted on any senate bill in 2008. He is busy running for president.

Posted by: Keith | August 19, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

McCain has hate mongering friends too. Hagee and Parsely. While Obama has said he was not in church when those words were said, we know for sure that McCain knew about hate speeches from these two pastors yet he approached them because they can bring him votes.
McCain will rather win an election than denounce hate mongers.

Posted by: Krista | August 19, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

“You right wing bloggers dont even know how to lie.
Obama has worked across the aisle on 2 bills; the ethics reform bill and the nuclear disarmament bill between US and russia.
Posted by: Keith | Aug 19, 2008 12:39:28 PM”
Obama Blocks His Own Ethics Reform Bill

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Hey Angela, you say change was the mantra of Castro and Hitler.
It was also that of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglas, FDR, Winston Churchill, Martin Luther King, Ronald Reagan, Mother Theresa, Desmond Tutu on and on and on.

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

“McCain will rather win an election than denounce hate mongers.
Posted by: Krista | Aug 19, 2008 12:44:18 PM”
Helloooo Krista
He did.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Contrary to popular belief, John McCain, by his own admission, DID NOT LOVE HIS COUNTRY when he enlisted:

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

If we would have throughly questioned Bush he wouldn’t have spent eight years in the White House. Electing someone because of a slogan is unsound. Bush campaigned on “compassionate conservatism” and people really believed him. Obama campaigns on “change” and now gets irritated because people are beginning to see through his facade. Bush had no experience look where that got us. Obama has no experience, I’m afraid to think where that would take us. YIKES!

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

Obama continued, “Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country.
—-
Then, who is the one who places his hands between his legs while the national anthem was sang, and who said to defend the constitution by voting against and filabuster the spying bill to pander voters, yet when it comes to the challenge he voted for giving Bush’s government the power to spy on its citizens?

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Mike – Frankly, I thought his policy on abortion and infanticide was pretty important.
Other than that, I find it difficult to keep up with all of Obama’s day to day changes on policy.
First it was immediate withdrawal of all the troops…then it was keep ‘em there for a while…oh, wait…nooo, let’s first send ‘em to Afghanistan for a bit.
No off shore drilling…well, maybe just a little.
Capital gains tax…uh, not as much as originally stated.
I will debate McCain any time, any place…well, forget that! (Uh, uh…unless I, uh…get a teleprompter…to uh, ya know…to read.)
I could go on and on, but I’m sure you get my point.

Posted by: Barb Dwyer | August 19, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Obama continued, “Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country.
=======
Sure. “I was proud of my country for the first time in my adult life,” after my husband got some white votes and 93% of black votes.’ – another Obama said.

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

No one who loves his country spends 20 years among America haters, terrorists and criminals.
Obama did just that, and it is indefensible.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

I don’t want socialist “change” and equal distribution of wealth.
I make about $50,000 a year and I don’t want to share it with those who won’t work and look for government to take care of “everything”.
Obama’s mantra -
“Vote for me and I will make sure “BIG” government takes care of all your needs. You just need to stand there with your hand out.”
I share what I want by giving to charities of my choice. The government is not supposed to be a charitable organization.
I do agree with Obama on one thing –
We need to “throw the knuckleheads” out. ALL of them, including ding bat Pelosi and wimpy Harry Reid.
We never had federal income tax for the first 100 years of the Republic. Since income tax, social security tax, capital gains tax, estate tax and tax on tax, the government has just found more ways to spend the money we earn.

Posted by: angela | August 19, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Al Qaida benefited us going into Iraq?
Yeah, I am certain that they would agree.
And I thought Obama said that the military did not contribute to the surge success.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

“Isn’t it IRONIC that a PASTOR and NOT a REPORTER was the main instrument in getting Obama to finally answer some tough, difficult, yet truly relevant questions?”
———————-
I’m not dissing Warren in any way, but the only questions Obama answered were the ones he had in advance.
The others were “above his pay grade.”

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

There’s a number of comments criticizing Obama about his “flip flopping” on certain issues.
A question for McCain supporters:
Has McCain ever “flip flopped”, and if so, how do you feel about it?

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

For some reason the last half of my first post at 12:20:51 seems to have gone missing. Here’s the missing part:
[Obama] exhibits all the narcissism and ego mania of John Edwards without the baggage of a mistress and a love child.
He’s shallow, inexperienced and self serving. He’s not about unity, he’s divisive…and has consistently played the race card while casting the blame on the Republicans. I’ve not heard McCain utter a word about his funny name or that he’s black. BTW, he isn’t black, he’s bi-racial.
The Democrats are constantly preaching about changing the country for the benefit of “the children.” And here we have a guy, hand picked by the MSM, who endorses and promotes INFANTICIDE!!
The Obama campaign slogan is Hope and Change. I’m sure he “hopes” he’ll fool you long enough to be elected president. The only “change” I see is the promise of higher taxes, bigger government and Marxism.

Posted by: Barb Dwyer | August 19, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

Obama has shown ZERO ability to work across the aisle. You cannot name a single instance in which he did.
Posted by: drjohn | Aug 19, 2008

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

“Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country”
and how will you stop them? China-like censorship?

Posted by: geevill | August 19, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

Also I think it’s funny that Obama is getting slammed from man haters, the GOP, and Mcsame, all at the same time and he’s still up in the polls. LMAO!! Eat it HRC!

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

“Has McCain ever “flip flopped”, and if so, how do you feel about it?
Posted by: Lou | Aug 19, 2008 1:20:09 PM”
No doubt he has, but he didn’t portray himself as “different”, “new”, complete with “hope” and “change.”
Therefore, it doesn’t matter what McCain does. You guys keep bringing this up to provide moral equivalence and cover for Obama’s failure to abide by his own promises.
The Obamessiah was supposed to be better.
He’s not. He’s worse.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Sen. Obama said: “He (Sen. McCain) said I’ve changed my position on Iraq, when I have not. He said that I am for a path of retreat & failure.” BUT HE NEVER DENIED THAT!
Was this an oversight or did he not deny it because he knows it is true??

Posted by: James Danley | August 19, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Any love Obama has for this country places far, far below his love of self.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Who is arguing about that? The Obamas has never shown love for the USA.

Posted by: geevill | August 19, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

McCain: ‘Behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama lies the ambition to be president’
I love these types of statements from the McCain campaign. Are we to believe that McCain isn’t an ambitious guy who has envisioned himself as President for the past ten years at least? Come on!

Posted by: BBpd | August 19, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

I love my country and McCain is the only patriot in this election. My family will cast our votes for the only true patriot McCain. Because of all veterans whom are respected without thought to their choice of D or R we are a free and super great country and we are a proud nation.
SGM USA (retired)

Posted by: rey | August 19, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

I’m going to vote for the guy that gives tax breaks to the wealthy people who ship my job overseas and bankrupts the company I used to work for and walks away with a 30 millon dollar bonus tax free. Yea thats it.. because I know he will start more wars and keep me safe in my cardboard house because I lost everything I own. Man this makes soo much sense. Do you people even stop and listen to yourselves… LMAO!! A vote for MCsame is a vote againts workers and is a vote againts america and the dream. Mccain = America hater he even said it himself his pastor didn’t!

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

“His crimes make Nixon look like a saint. But he continues to get away with murder… literally. Posted by: power2people | Aug 19, 2008 1:33:18 PM”
Doesn’t the irony of this ever settle in your head?
You call him an idiot and yet he has been President for 8 years and “gets away” with those “crimes”?

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

Take a look at the pre-presidential record of the very first Republican president – Abraham Lincoln. Also from Illinios. It is almost identical to the 2008 Democratic candidate Barack Obama. It might not even quite match it.
Obama 2008!

Posted by: power2people | August 19, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

Posted by: Joe | Aug 19, 2008 1:34:10 PM
Joe, Democrats have pushing “global economy” down the throats of md kids for more than ten years.
Now you have a global economy.
Take it up with them.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

If a candidate for president spent 20 years sitting in a racially divisive church, purchased his home with the help of a now convicted criminal and received $250,000 in campaign contributions from him while he was already under indictment; if this candidate’s policies do not make sense and he flip-flops on critical campaign issues; if he spent only 143 days in the Senate before running for the toughest office in the world; if he had a bad habit of associating with radicals, crooks and people of questionable character; if he had another bad habit of throwing anyone or any policy under the bus at the first sign of trouble; if the only thing this man has to run on is his ‘good judgment,’ when the aforementioned shows that he has exhibited anything but – wuld you vote for him?

Posted by: JoseyJ | August 19, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Drjohn – your insinuations just prove my point. Thank you.

Posted by: power2people | August 19, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

The Dems had their chance and blew it. I’ll vote for anyone BUT Obama. If you prefer to call him McSame then McSame it is. McSame08

Posted by: Terry | August 19, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Questioning another americans patriotisum is about the lowest thing you can do. And Mccian is flat out lying in his comercials he is airing in this state. Why can’t he show proof to back up his claims againts Obama. I know because John Ncain is lying about it. Sounds like Bush the thrid to me. Lie lie lie make crap up lie lie lie. Thats a hell of a way to run a campain isn’t it Mccian.

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

Hey drjohn, I was just wondering what you thought of McCain’s “flip flops”

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

When is mcCain going to disavow haters Rev. Hagee and Richard Quinn?

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

Have they? You need to read history a little closer. I think you need to take it up with Bush and hhis wealthy tax cuts for exporting jobs. Trying to get new shady free trade agrements passed. And by the way last time I looked republicans have controlled the congress
most of the time “democrats have been shoving free trade down your throat”

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

Hey drjohn, I was just wondering what you thought of McCain’s “flip flops”
Posted by: Lou | Aug 19, 2008 1:45:05 PM
——————-
Already answered you, Lou.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

>>>>Obama said,….The times are too serious for this kind of politics.”
And the times are too serious for Obama’s race-baiting – which he engaged in all throughout the primary.
NObama!

Posted by: JoseyJ | August 19, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

When is mcCain going to disavow haters Rev. Hagee and Richard Quinn?
Posted by: Mike | Aug 19, 2008 1:46:03 PM
——————————-
You guys need to read more.
And not just DNC talking points.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

What if there was a vote to decide if $13.5 billion in tax breaks for oil companies should go into oil alternatives, like solar and wind? What would you want your Senator to do?
Well, as you probably guessed, there was such a vote. We needed 60 votes to prevail, and 59 of them were in. But John McCain ducked the vote.1
As a result, instead of powering millions of homes with clean energy and building next-generation solar technology, we’re giving ExxonMobil and other companies billions in tax breaks at a time when they’re already making record profits.
What a Patriot!!! Obama 2008!

Posted by: power2people | August 19, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

“Bush and hhis wealthy tax cuts for exporting jobs.”
——————————
Can someone link a story to this assertion?

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

Posted by: Joe | Aug 19, 2008 1:47:34 PM
—————————
Maybe you missed it. I said “my kids.” That means it happened in their schools. Which means the NEA. Which means the Democratic party.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

“It’s true that [John] McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement.”
–Pastor Hagee

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

“McCain disavows pastors’ backing”
Nashua Telegraph 5/23/08

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

,….The times are too serious for this kind of politics.”
What? like beerfest rock concerts in Germany?

Posted by: geevill | August 19, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

of course, i’m sure you and your wife love america now because you have a chance to become the president. Question is are you and your wife still going to love america if you’re not elected??? i guess not because then you wouldn’t be proud of american anymore. No radical liberal loves america, period.

Posted by: hannah | August 19, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

Treasury Secretary at the time Paul O’Neill and 450 economists, including ten Nobel prize laureates, who contacted Bush in 2003, opposed the tax cuts on the grounds that they would fail as a growth stimulus, increase inequality and worsen the budget outlook considerably.
The number of jobs created grew by only 6.5%, 28.5% below the average growth rate of 9.1%. The growth in average salaries was less than half as usual; 1.2% versus 2.7%, respectively. While growth in consumer spending was 72% faster than growth in income, it too has “failed to keep pace with the… average of previous cycles.” Only investment residential real-estate soared, growing 26% faster than average.
In terms of increasing inequality, the effect of Bush’s tax cuts on the upper, middle and lower class is contentious. Most economists argue that the cuts have benefited the nation’s richest households at the expense of the middle and lower class,[40] while libertarians and conservatives[41] have claimed that tax cuts have benefitted all taxpayers. Economists Peter Orzsag and William Gale described the Bush tax cuts as reverse government redistribution of wealth, “[shifting] the burden of taxation away from upper-income, capital-owning households and toward the wage-earning households of the lower and middle classes.”[43] Between 2003 and 2004, following the 2003 tax cuts, the share of after-tax income going to the top 1% rose from 12.2% in 2003 to 14.0% in 2004. (This followed the period from 2000 to 2002, where after-tax incomes declined the most for the top 1%.) At the same time, the share of overall tax liabilities of the top 1% increased from 22.9% to 25.3% , as the result of a tax system which became more progressive since 2000.
Just some quick info.

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Barry’s campaign insisted that Senator McCain cheated in Sadddlebrook. So much for the “honorable” road.

Posted by: beebop | August 19, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

The Bush administration has generally pursued free trade policies. Bush used the authority he gained from the Trade Act of 2002 to push through bilateral trade agreements with several countries. Bush has also sought to expand mulilateral trade agreements through the World Trade Organization, but negotiations have been hung up in the Doha Development Round for most of Bush’s presidency.
All the demos fault huh? And when I was in school probably about the time of your kids I didn’t like these policies but I do remember the repubs signing off on them.

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

McCain has attempted to distance himself from some of Hagee’s views, much as Barack Obama is doing in relation to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But unlike McCain, Obama has not stood on stage with Wright and accepted his accolades this year.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

power2people,
Bet you really think 0-bama’s “clean carbon coals” are really clean, don’t you?!

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

So I do think one thing we can all agree on is our govenment right now just sucks. Right?

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

fact check… Coal will never be clean. Thats a quote from 2 chemical enginers that live in Great Falls Montana who are responsable for setting up the only coal to gas plants in the world in South Africa. Now some company is trying to set one up here in Montana but we aren’t haveing it. The two engineers previously metioned are even fighting it.

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

drjohn, you didn’t answer my question regarding how you felt about McCain’s “flip flops”.
But that’s ok.

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

Great speech by our next President!

Posted by: Ruth | August 19, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

fact check… Coal will never be clean. Thats a quote from 2 chemical enginers
Posted by: Joe | Aug 19, 2008 2:21:15 PM
===
That quote was 0-bama’s top energy policy advisor, the good Gov. Bill Richardson said in formulating and defending 0-bama’s electric plug-ins. 0-bama, who is clueless on Energy and scientific facts, believed in Richardson and thought coals could really be “clean” since Richardson called it “clean carbon”.
Who do you think Richardson is selling out now?

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Joe, You must be speaking for the government.

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

I agree with Marylou, no Presidential candidate EVER has hade to prove his patriotism like this empty suit AND put up a website to Stop the Smears (more like Don’t let the Truth Out). This really is “new politics”. So glad my candidate doesn’t come into question on this…….COUNTRY FIRST!

Posted by: Debra | August 19, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

The Obamatons are so afraid of Stanley Kurtz investigating the strong connection between Obama and Ayers that they’re obstructing Kurtz until they can destroy the evidence.
Check it out at NRO. I can’t give you a link.
“Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown?”

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

America used to know John Mccain. Swamp of terrorist lovers and america haters? You are reaching my friend! I can critize my country and still love being in it and being here. I assume you are reffering to Ayers? Well that my friend is guilt by association they live in the same town big deal! I live in the smae town as the Unibomber did. Does that make me a terrorist? I think america knows obama. I think it’s just close minded people who chose not to listen that don’t know or don’t want to know Obama. And that my friend is why he is up in the polls. How did he blow it on the surge if you put 30,000 brave troops anywere they will acomplish there mission duh! Why the surge is failing and did fail is because now they are gone there is no political reconsilation that was supposed to happen while the surge was in place. Although we did make the country more secure for the time being. Do you just rattle off maccain’s lies or do you think for yourself?

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

He loves the country sooooo much that the tickets for Invesco field show the US flag upside down……while our military men and women lay down their lives to protect us.
He is an immature disgrace.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | August 19, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

power2people,
mistaking a fact that was documented in her own book is not the end of the world.
Yet, deception to get votes is closer to it. He who said he would vote against and filabuster Bush’s spying bill during the primaries, and then voted for the bill, giving Bush’s government power to spy on you does not deserve support from a good voter like you.
It’s sad, however, to the contrary of facts, that you thought HRC and McCain was supporting to give ExxonMobile tax credits while you thought 0-bama had voted against it.
You need to know more facts before you go to the booth.

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Originally posted at 1:28 pm
“Has McCain ever “flip flopped”, and if so, how do you feel about it?
Posted by: Lou | Aug 19, 2008 1:20:09 PM”
No doubt he has, but he didn’t portray himself as “different”, “new”, complete with “hope” and “change.”
Therefore, it doesn’t matter what McCain does. You guys keep bringing this up to provide moral equivalence and cover for Obama’s failure to abide by his own promises.
Obama was supposed to be better.
He’s not. He’s worse.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

“[Richard Quinn] is a fine man who worked for Ronald Reagan and Strom Thurmond and other fine people.”
–John McCain, defending his neoconfederate advisor, who believes that slavery was a good thing

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

Quinn dressed people up in confederate uniforms to pass out flyers for McCain, before he flip-flopped on the confederate flag.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

power2people
That Obama didn’t know how many states there are helped convinced me he shouldn’t be president.
That he listened to Rev Wright for 20 years and didn’t recognize a true “hater” of America convinced me he shouldn’t be president.
He is above is paygrade — and I thought the “buck stops here” is what being President is about.
Go Hillary!

Posted by: georgie | August 19, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Picture someone asking Obama this question.
Does your loyalty to mankind as embodied by the UN take second place to your loyalty to the United States and if so explain why?
Does anyone believe we would get a straight unhesitating answer?

Posted by: Robert P | August 19, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

” are reffering to Ayers? Well that my friend is guilt by association they live in the same town big deal! I live in the smae town as the Unibomber did. Does that make me a terrorist?”
—————-
It’s a lot thicker than that. They served together on a board, and I believe Ayers specifically requested Obama. They are good friends. There’s more to come. Wish I could link you to it.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

No i speak for myself. I read alot on these issues and don’t just listen to what Mccain and Obama are saying. I read about carbon capture technologies clean coal wind solar and all these things. Which sounds like alot of you partisan folks need to start doing. The info is out there and alot of this stuff will work some of it won’t so those of you that have kids get them intrested in new enrgy forms cause we are going to need alot of scientist to get this stuff done.

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

-suggesting, as he has so many times, that I put personal ambition before my country-
As with personal ambition before you congressional district. Are they Rezko building still without heat (some have been condemned) even now that Obama got his Rezko mansion?

Posted by: hype bites | August 19, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

georgie do you really believe that the US President is a higher ‘pay grade’ than God? Or are you just spouting talking points?

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

yup, clean carbon coals. It gives energy and vapor of dry ice. It must be clean, right?!

Posted by: fact check | August 19, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

So I’m wondering how to shorten up the idea of McCain being pwn3d by the Georgian government, and I’m thinking you know like ‘Manchurian Candidate’ kinda, cept that would be ‘The Caucasian Candidate’ and that kinda has a different connotation, really, so any ideas?

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

drjohn, if the Obama supporters are “afraid” (I think not) of afraid of Stanley Kurtz (an admitted partisan) investigating the strong connection between Obama and Ayers it’s not because of what he will find, but what he will report his twists and manipulattions” into “facts”.
What Kurtz does not do is provide hard evidence to support his claims.

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

That was a very classy and civilized speech.
How come McCain and his supporters have so much hate in their hearts?

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 19, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Joe, DrJohn is right. The Obama/Ayers relationship goes deeper than that they lived in the same town.

Posted by: JL | August 19, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

Posted by: Mike | Aug 19, 2008 2:45:28 PM
———-
Mike, Obama had that pay grade in 2001 when he voted against life saving measures for born alive abortion babies and when he killed the Amendment that would have made state and federal law congruous.
It was only when the heat was on that Obama went into “avoidance” mode.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

McCain: ‘Behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama lies the ambition to be president’
Are we to belive that McCain isn’t ambitious? That he doesn’t have an ego the size of Mt. Everest and a belief that he – John McCain – should be President?
Give me a break. He’s been grooming himself for 15 years.

Posted by: BBpd | August 19, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

Lou
The documents are there, and since it is a library it ought to be for all to see.
Let him have access to those documents- along with everyone else.
Let’s see what they have to say.
Sound fair?

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

drjohn, not to belabor the issue, but my point is made. It”s ok for McCain to “flip flop”, but not Obama.
McCain has changed his views on just about every major issue. Two months ago, he was against drilling for oil here, now he’s for it; he’s been for and against gay marriage; he’s been for and against tax cuts; he’s been for and against pork spending…you get the point.
But it’s ok, because it’s John McCain.

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

McCain is not claiming to be different and full of hopeanchange.
Obama is.
That’s the difference.
Obama promised to be different, and he is not.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

drjohn, the Annenburg Challenge is proof that Obama, Ayers, and Ayers wealthy father are more than just acquaintances. The Challenge was created to create social revolution through the educational system. Ayers father bankrolled it; Obama served as its Chairman of the Board at his request. Ayers and Obama go back to Columbia U. They’re much more than just neighbors or just acquaintances. Is such an education model pertinent? Ayers teamed up with Hugo Chavez recently extolling revolution through education.
Ayers father was familiar with Obama because he got his son’s college friend (Obama) a summer job at a law firm he did business with. Of course you need look no further for proof of damaging info when information starts disappearing from the web or is being blocked.
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire and the Ayers denials are as damaging as any lie Obama has told thus far. I take that back – there is one huge lie out there that is sure to come out Election Day.

Posted by: marylou | August 19, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Of course that should have read *before* Election Day – when it will sink Obama once and for all.

Posted by: marylou | August 19, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Thank you for that, Mary Lou. Quite righ.
I hope your post survives.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

So you ARE saying that the President has a higher ‘pay grade’ than God! Oh, I pity your poor teachers.

Posted by: mike | August 19, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

So what happens if McCain wins? Does he send millions of fresh newly drafted soldiers to Georgia to fight off the Russian oppressors, possibly starting WW3?
What a true patriot.

Posted by: dk | August 19, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

No, Mike, I am saying that Obama had that higher pay grade 7 years ago. And all of a sudden he lost it.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

drjohn, as far as giving Kurtz access to the files at the Daley library, my basic response would be to answer it would be “fair” to do so.
Now, I’m not falling into Kurtz’s cover up conspiracy, but after reading his earlier articles on the matter and his attempting to interpret the library’s refusal to release the documents as a “cover up” gives me good reason to say it would be fair NOT to do so.
Especially after a line like this:
“The records would almost certainly make Obama out to be a liar about the extent of his personal relationship with this unreconstructed terrorist:”
If Kurtz was playing “fair”, then releasing the files to him would be “fair”.

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

What would Obama do, dk?
It took Obama three tries to finally come up with the same position as McCain.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

It’s a fair statement.
Obama has said that Ayers is
“..just a guy (he) knew” like a neighbor. It’s far more than that.
And Ayers is admittedly an unrepentant terrorist.
“Guilty as hell- free as a bird” as Ayers puts it. Ayers didn’t kill anyone but only because of incompetence and not for lack of trying.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

To be fair, he would probably assess the situation and notice that by then Russia had withdrawn their troops and decided no further action would be needed.
But that wouldn’t be good enough for McCain. He’d need to teach them a lesson!

Posted by: dk | August 19, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

great speaker, poor legislator

Posted by: chris | August 19, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

I’m so saddened to see the state of politics today.
What happend to the United States?
In times like this we need so much more than smear campaigns and rebuttals back and forth from both sides…It’s all a distraction…and you “blogers” etc just make it worse spouting half truths and spoonfed party lines.
For the sake of the people can’t we on both sides of red/blue liberial/conservative lines stand up and demand our candidates address some real issues.
They Say Nero fiddeled while rome burned, although it is unture the image no less calls to mind the politicians blogging and smearing while our great country collapses

Posted by: Sad | August 19, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

i know i love America because i will vote for the only candidate who will make the best President: Senator Clinton

Posted by: chris | August 19, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

We know where Americans stand on this one….the guy who says “Country First” and stands behind our military and doesn’t just pander to them.
Nobama quit barking up this tree and go give a speech on some liberal campus.
COUNTRY FIRST McCAIN!

Posted by: Debra | August 19, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

both obama and Senator Clinton know that America needs a strong leader to lead all Americans towards a better future…..obama is certainly willing, but only Senator Clinton is able to do so….

Posted by: chris | August 19, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Nope – not a higher pay grade than God. Just a pay grade to know that life begins a conception.
Obama doesn’t even think there is life during a late term pregancy and agrees with partial birth abortion.

Posted by: georgie | August 19, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

You’d think the guy who stands behind our military would vote in favor of the GI bill?
Bring oour troups home.
Time horizon… right.
OBAMA 2008

Posted by: pwer2people | August 19, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

After seeing Obama’s bio last night on FOX, I can see why he’s confused as to his allegiance to this country. I also found it interesting that 3 of his “good friends” from college would not talk to FOX and a couple of faces were blurred out…what’s up with that?
Does he have no one to speak on his behalf from his youth…even his own Grannie. A couple of these guys he roomed with looked like drug dealers. Hopefully FOX cable will re-run, McCain’s bio is tonight.
COUNTRY FIRST, VOTE McCAIN!

Posted by: Debra | August 19, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

It’s been well established here, at least among the McCain supporters, that they find Obama’s alleged “flip flops” quite bothersome.
Any McCain supporters care to tell us what they think of their candidates “flip flops”?

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

You would think if any of these politicians ‘loved America’ they would outlaw “earmarks” in bills.
This practice puts so much “pork” in spending bills.
Why should a bill for improving VA benefits have earmarks that have nothing to do with VA benefits?
Why did a bill Obama voted for have an $1,000,000 ‘earmark’ for the hospital his wife worked for and shortly thereafter her salary was more than doubled?
If a bill for off shore drilling is put up for vote — that’s the one that will most likely have another study for the DNA of bears linked to it.
Throw all the knuckleheads out!!

Posted by: susie | August 19, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

dk
Do you think Russia withdrew because Obama noticed someting?
DO you think Russia has withdrawn anything?

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

Why does Obama have to preface all his
statements with,
“LET ME BE CLEAR…”
?????

Posted by: GOOGLE | August 19, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

Debra, which of our “enemies” support Obama?

Posted by: Lou | August 19, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

And what drjohn does mccain propose to do? He can’t do a damn thing all our troops are in Iraq. All mccain has done is made the situation worse with is stupid saber rattling. Besides we have no moral high ground on invasions. Face it Bush lies to us all took our country’s morals and flushed them downn the toilet.

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

And I for one I’M NOT A GORGIAN! They haven’t done a thing for me just like these stupid Iraqi’s I would rather have Russia on my side than a country that can’t even defend itself. And thats “straight talk” my friends!

Posted by: Joe | August 19, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

Obama – same empty suit, different day.

Posted by: Martin Slueg | August 19, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

drjohn
“Do you think Russia withdrew because Obama noticed someting?
DO you think Russia has withdrawn anything?”
2 words: Verb tense

Posted by: dk | August 19, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

Uh uh, ee ee, but but…Let me be clear.
And they say Obama is a great speaker.

Posted by: riley | August 19, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Go Obama!!!
McCain supporters your just angry because the small little smear attack ground you assumed you had was just broken with truth!!!!
WE the PEOPLE – YES WE CAN!!!

Posted by: True American | August 19, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

Let’s see…
Obama sat in a church for 20 (count’em 20) years listening to a pastor who screamed “g_d America” while the congregation hooted and hollered with approval.
Now, Obama wants us all to believe just how much he loves America (probably for the “first time”), and we’re all supposed to just take him at his word?
Not a chance…
And, regardless of what he says to the veterans, they all know that John McCain is a veteran with an honorable service record regardless of what group tries to swift boat his sacrifices.
The same veterans, while polite as an audience, know that Obama does not even have a service record and will judge him accordingly.

Posted by: Jayhawk | August 19, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

I never saw Obama give McCain such a clean whupping as he did today at the VFW Convention. This crowd clearly didn’t like McCain’s politics-as-usual attacks of yesterday. They know he’s better than that. He knows it himself. And Obama knows it too and called him on it.

Posted by: El_Pajaro | August 19, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

History check…
Which President began speeches with “Let me be perfectly clear…”
Could it be…Richard Milhouse Nixon?
Yes, it could.
Obama…the next Nixon…

Posted by: Jayhawk | August 19, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

“Uh uh, ee ee, but but…Let me be clear. And they say Obama is a great speaker.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | August 19, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

Obama loves America so much he wants to turn it into France. High taxes. Unions rulling the land. Socialized healthcare. And Americans fleeing for other countries to avoid beeing fleece and let’s not forget high, very high unemployment.
Gosh I wish I loved America as much as Obama? We could help kill it together. But alas, I like America they way it was created. Freedom to pursue profit, make money, choose your own doctor and competition.

Posted by: coolrepublica | August 19, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Here Obama connects. He reminds us why so many of us support him. McCain is like a relentless hammer with his attack ads against Obama on the war. Some of us have family about to enter this war. We have family who have already served 3 tours. Yes we all love America We also honor McCain’s service to this country. Obama having a General like Colin Powell support him just might give Obama the edge this election season.

Posted by: Tongassberry | August 19, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Why is it that so many of you Obama bashers ignore the subject at hand (this thread is about his VFW speech) and regurgitate the same irrelevant smears over and over again.
Do you lack imagination or are you just incapable of substantively addressing the issues that are on the table?

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | August 19, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

I challenge anyone on this blog give me an example of Sen. McCain judgment and/or experience as a President? Even better, how is Sen. McCain helping the veterans that are returning from the war? If you don’t have any experience (example) on the Sen. McCain then stop making bogus comments on his experience with the Iraq war. It will be one of the biggest mistakes next to Vietnam War.

Posted by: chris | August 19, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

Sorry, not buying it, Barry.
A guy who by choice immerses himself in a fetid culture of America haters (Wright), criminals (Rezko) and terrorists (Ayers) does not love this country.

Posted by: drjohn | August 19, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Anyone or anything relates to bush is bad thing and anything like mccain IS relate to bush. we need new thinking in this country and DO NOT FORGET who raised deficit in this country, bush jr., bush sr., regan, it is old elephant not the donkey raised deficit in this country and took donkeys to fix the problem ever since I came to this country and voted for all those republicans since ford era.

Posted by: John Doe | August 20, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

is Mcane only vetran in america the way people talk and macane talk he is the only vetran in USA. Now he is using it like a currency to buy peoples ear and status because he is the rich family and got fevourable national stage he shuldn’t forget there are many vetrans who didn’t cash in based on their story now time to stop using it like a currency.

Posted by: JOJO | August 20, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

he loves this country, how about kenya and indonesia?

Posted by: tr | August 20, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

Well, JoJo, the only veteran/ war hero running for POTUS is McCain. Oh, did you know, McCain earned the Medal of Honor for his valor. He was a young man when he did that, about the same age as Obama was when he was snorting Cocaine and visiting Pakistan. (Why did he go there???)
Like people say, actions speak louder than words….

Posted by: BJinChicago | August 20, 2008, 5:58 am 5:58 am

Under the veil of anonymity, the best in people comes out. Obama is an inspiration. Any attempts to ignore this speech resemble attempts to ignore wild conspiracies like “the moon landing”.
The difference between the Obama bashers is that they focus on things like his race and vague partisan politics whereas I think an Obama supporter can applaud a valid point from McCain. The only problem is, valid points are few and far between for McCain and that is precisely why Obama is in this position.
If McCain wins this election, it will only affirm the world’s suspicions that that the majority of Americans cannot make the right decision anymore (re: Bush round 1 and Bush round 2)

Posted by: betterthanthis | August 29, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am

I just read about all those medals MacCain supposely earned. Can someone tell me exactly for what deeds did he get the medals because as I have read, he was shot down over Vietnam, captured, tortured, and released after 5.5 years imprisonment. What is not mentioned is his collaborating with the enemy by giving out military information and then making like Jane Fonda by transmitting communist propaganda to the American troops. He was known as the “Songbird” by those that knew about his treacherous exploits. He admits in his book that he did accept medical help from the enemy in exchange for information, If you don;t believe it, buy his book “Faith of My Fathers” and read it, or look up Edward Epstein”s Congressional Quarterly. Some hero. US Navy made him up to look like one because of his Admiral father.

Posted by: Robert Rodriguez | October 8, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am

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