Obama Told Clinton She Wasn’t Likely to Be VP, Give or Take

I haven’t heard the important debate of the “flower in the cake” story.
This is of critical importance to me, right along with Obama’s penchant for exotic teas, orange juice for breakfast, and arugula on his salads!
Yes, the loftiness of our debate this election season is right in line with elections past.

After hearing and watching all these McCain ads based on Hillary quotes/sayings I now have a better understanding why Obama choose Biden rather then Hillary.
She really went hard against him during the primary season. It’s too much amo for the Republicans. No wonder Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh etc wanted Obama to pick Hillary.

REALITY CHECK
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The Obama nomination to lead the
party WAS DNC’s inside job…..
I’m an ex-democrat voting for McCain.
I left the democratic party the day
after Hillary drop-out…..

Nicholas I hope you like the RNC’s opening night…
the speakers are D!ck Cheney and George W. Bush.
I am sure that will be uplifting for your selection.

I am getting the sense that Obama really needed Clinton on the ticket. He may still win, but he had a chance to put it away. Leading people on with the text thing and then going for Biden seems to have given McCain a bounce. It gives the GOP the chance to say it is the most liberal ticket ever assembled by the Dems – a Teddy Kennedy dream ticket.

The P.U.M.A.’s need to get over it. Obama and Clinton have almost IDENTICAL voting records in the Senate.
Voting for the Republican party simply out of spite is childish and short-sided. Why hold Obama responsible for how the media portrayed him? He ran a largely respectful campaign. Senator Clinton on the other hand, chose to throw her own party under the bus on the eve of the Texas and Ohio primaries just to get a few extra votes – and that was one of many similar incidents.
She was not chosen for VP simply because she CAN NOT play second fiddle. With Bill in the picture as well, how would you expect Obama to lead effectively? Joe Biden is an intelligent, caring man with 30+ years of experience under his belt. He is also one of the more savvy politicos when it comes to foreign policy.
It’s time for all Democrats to recognize that the party is endanger of being irreparably fractured. Don’t get caught up in all the bs- what’s done is done – vote on the issues…vote with your core values.

Obama I don’t want to lead you on. YOU DON”T GET MY VOTE!!

Clinton had good points and many bad points. The bottom line is she was a poor manager and that her campaign suffered from it. She couldn’t decide who was right and who was wrong, and make the tough decisions necessary. This registered Republican is sick to death of Republican policies that have undermined the country we love. Maybe in time, I’ll be just as sick of more liberal policies, but for now change is definitely needed. Obama/Biden 08

There’s an upside and a downside to every VP choice. But the main thing you’ve got to do I think is juice things up and excite your base. Ferraro, Bentsen, Gore, Lieberman all did that for the nominee. As sound a choice as Biden was, it is decidely not exciting. I think that in itself produces a letdown.

It’s time for all Democrats to recognize that the party is endanger of being irreparably fractured.
Posted by: Matt | Aug 26, 2008
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You are freeking right. Tell your congressmen/women, senators, mayors, delegates to vote for Clinton on Wednesday, and stop this phony madness of Affirmative Action.

As much as the media hates Clinton, they seem to do everything they can to make her the topic of news, even when there isn’t a story to tell. Its quite pathological.

Amazing ad. LOL!!

“He didn’t want to lead her on,”

It really cracks me up to listen to all the puppets on this board. I can’t decide which is more pathetic, those who pretend that there are any circumstances that they would vote for a Democratic candidate, or those who pretend that there are any circumstances under which they would vote for a black man. You 20% dead-enders ought to find some other hobby than politics, the rest of the nation has left you behind.

Vanessa: Obama does not receive threats everyday and there were four people arrested with sniper rifles not one. I don’t know where you get your information from but its always wrong. And people interviewed on the network are not allowed to call candidates or their families the names you stated. Its not allowed.

Feb 2008, Good Morning America, Michele Obama says that he is not sure she will vote for Hillary clinton should she be the nominee.
How disgusting, how reprensible, how selfish.
Hillary should say the same thing about Michele’s husband. I know Hillary won’t do that, because she has so much class. I can not stand the thought of Michele as first lady, and her horrible husband in the white house. How embarassing for america.

More Clinton supporters will be outraged by Obama decision, knowing that Hillary wanted to be considered as VP. I assume the Obama camp excuse was “losing the independent voters”.
No surprisingly the latest Quinnipiac Polls in PA, OH, FL and CO show Barack Obama having troubles matching John Kerry 04 numbers(-XX)* among independent voters, and attracting Hillary Clinton supporters.
Pennsylvania: Obama 49% to McCain 42%
PA: Obama 48% (-10)* to McCain 38% among indep.
(PA: Kerry won 58% to 41% among indep.)
PA:Obama 60% to McCain 25% among Clinton supporters
Ohio: Obama 44 to McCain 43%
Ohio: Obama 42%(-17)* to McCain 38% among indep.
(OH: Kerry won 59% to 40 among indep.)
Ohio: Obama 63% to McCain 23% among Clinton supporters
Florida: McCain 47% to Obama 43%
Florida: Obama 39 (-18)* to McCain 47% among inde.
(FL: Kerry won 57% to 41% among indep.)
Florida: Obama 76% to McCain 14% among Clinton supporters
COLORADO: McCain 47% – Obama 46%
CO: Obama 46% (-6)* to McCain 44% among Independents
(CO: Kerry won 52% to 45% among indep.)
Losing more Hillary Clinton supporters after not picking her for VP, Barack Obama will have to match John Kerry numbers (-xx)* among independent voters to win in those states.

Well, PUMAs, if your gal had stolen the primary from the elected delegates, I wouldn’t be voting for her. No one I know would vote for her either. Including my GOP parents, who are voting for Obama (switched parties in the PA primary). So, I guess it’s all even-Steven, isn’t it? Luckily, we went with the one who the GOP didn’t salivate at the prospect of beating. Phew!

It is up to Obama to make the case for his candidcay with Hillary Clinton’s supporters. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden can’t do it for him. As an Illinois resident, I have had serious problems with his candicacy for a long time. He is the product of an increasingly corrupt democratic Chicago political system, and in all of his roles where he has been paid to display leadership, he simply never shows up = prefering instead to engage in activities that benefit him. Obama is not motivated at all to help any one other than himself and the details of his work history pretty much demonstrate that.

Anybody who believes Obama/Clinton would be a stronger ticket than Obama/Biden needs to seriously reconsider their assumption in light of the three ring media circus going on right now.
The Media is consumed by a Clinton not sitting on the front row – they have waited for this to happen since the mid 90s. They tried to break them in the mid 90s and they’re still not over it they failed. That after all their trumped up hysterics during the Lewinsky-saga, Bill Clinton’s approval rating actually went up instead of down. The media is not interested in reporting. The media is interested in creating soap opera’s.
The media have focussed their lasers on even the tiniest ray of light between Obama and Clinton as ‘proof’ of a huge ‘rift’ between them and in the DNC. This would not only have been THE focus of the entire presidential campaign reporting; this would have been their focus for their entire Administration.
Clinton wasn’t on Obama’s short-list, not because of Clinton, but because of the press.

Why has the country elected only two Democrats as President in the last 40 years? It’s very simple. The majority of the country is middle of the road, maybe a little bit to the right. The Democrats keep nominating very liberal candidates, too liberal for many Democrats. That’s why they lose. Democrats like me vote as Democrats for the Senate, Governor, etc. and we wind up voting Republican for President. Evan Bayh, Indiana, has said that he didn’t run for President because he’s too much of a centrist, and the activists in the Party always work to elect a liberal. That’s too bad, because as boring as he is, he would make a good president. And there’s no doubt in my mind that he’d be elected. Ordinary Democrats are hungry for a Democrat in the White House, and a Democratic Congress. That isn’t going to happen this time. I simply don’t understand why the ultra liberal wing of the Democratic Party doesn’t understand this. Centrist Democrats have a history of deserting the Party in favor of Republican candidates. How many times do we have to do it before the Democratic Party gets the message? RUN A CENTRIST DEMOCRAT INSTEAD OF A LEFT-WING SOCIALIST WANNABE, AND MIDDLE OF THE ROAD DEMOCRATS WILL SUPPORT THE PARTY.

And Clinton said not to vet her unless she was going to be VP.

I would like to ask the clinton supporters what foreign policy experience does she have that joe biden doesnt Biden has way more experience than hillary clinton he even has more than mccain

Jake-
Why is none of the Main Stream Media reporting on the fact that a high profile PA attorney Berg is suing Obama and the DNC, claiming that Obama cannot prove he was born in Hawaii and thus cannot be President? Seemingly, this is an important case, and I am wondering why it is hard to find some facts about it.

Had Hillary been handed the nomination by the SuperD’s (as Obama was) she would have been strongarmed by the DNC to put Obama in the VP slot. But then she wouldn’t have had to have been strongarmed – she’s smart enough to know that having him as the VP would have been the right move to make to unify the party and ensure a Democrat victory in November.
Obama continues to show poor judgment.

geevill, you’re exactly right – Gallop tied for second day and Rasmussen tied too. But I’m sure Obama isn’t worried, since he said of Hillary’s supporters, “They’ll get over it.” Maybe he should have done something to help with that – sending the VP text message at 3 a.m. was a typical Obama passive-agressive move – but didn’t do much to unify the party.

Marianne you say you hope mcain wins and you claim to support hillary so i guess its ok mccain laughed when someone called hillary the B word its ok he joked about chelsea clinton being ugly thats ok with clinton supporters GOES TO SHOW YOU HAVE REAL RESPECT FOR HILLARY AND HER DAUGHTER!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU CLINTON SUPPORTERS!!

Russian tanks and an Iranian missile in the ad. Getting us ready for a McCain presidency?
Like Pat Buchanan said, John McCain “will make Cheney look like Gandhi”.

Cynics your so worried about polls well your gramps mccain has been in senate 26 years very well known why tied with obama shouldnt he be blowing obama away at this point dont get too excited cynics!!!!

“no respect” – remember these words?
hillary clinton is not fit to be president and here are the reasons why she dosent play fair she lies shes horrible with money shes fake she flip flops and the list goes on and dont get me wrong me being a woman i would love to see a woman president but not her not now not ever hillary is to weak
Posted by angie Jun 24, 2008 2:45:17 PM
am a woman who did not support hillary and im glad she did not win look at the example she set for woman making us look like sore losers having fits when we dont get our way she really did not set good examples for us woman not to mention shes horrible with money just think if she were president the debt we would be in
hillary will never get my vote and alot others in 2012 and you can all take that to the bank remember hill fans obama has alot of supporters too!!!
Posted by angie Jun 24, 2008 2:23:14 PM
PUMA!

Hillary caused the current derangement among her supporters by pretending she had a chance after March, when Obama won 11 primaries in a row. In reality, the race was over by then, and only the superdelegates’ refusal to flood to Obama kept it close. So no, Hillary had no right to hope to be on the ticket after she caused so much dissension for her personal ambition. I hope all her supporters enjoy McCain’s replacement of Ginsberg and Stevens with more Scalia clones.

I don’t think so. The landslide will be Obama going over the side and trying to climb back up but falling again. For a Harvard graduate he is as dumb as they come. The only way he can get what he wants is to play dirty pool on someone else and he already that to the woman running against him. I saw the whote story on TV. He ruined that woman. We all know he is underhanded, rotten and uses people to get what he wants. You know it but don’t want to admit it.

Obama will never unify the democrat party because there will be a percentage of people that will not vote for him. The best thing to do is if all 100% of Hillary’s voters were to vote McCain Obama would lose big and send him back to the senate. I am hoping at least 60% vote McCain. Now, if New York, New Jersey, California, Texas and Arizona all vote for McCain and shun Obama McCain will have it made. Don’t go by the polls, voters make the choice. Some polls are inflated to make it looke like Obama is far ahead of McCain but that is not so. They are running 47 to 47%. They are tied. That’s the good news. Now all McCain has to do is go ahead of Obama.

marylou, 9/11 changed everything, remember?
McCain was a moderate before 9/11. After that he has become one of the scariest politicians around. He doesn’t give a crap about you or about any American for that matter, only about your vote. He only cares about getting even with the rest of the world for what ‘they’ have ‘done’ to him. He wants revenge.

Willem von Oranje,
Playing the politics of fear again. What else to expect from Obama supporters other than hypocrisy.

Nat Turner: Just to show you how bad the convention was last night, all they needed was the elephants there because his convention is a three ring circus. The networks were talking about what a disaster it was. Of course he might win the election but he will be president in name only Biden will be running the country because he has more brains than Obama and is ten times smarter. The networks stated that Obama failed in poitics. A high school graduate knows more than he does. I certainly would like to see his grades. I believe they pushed him thru to get rid of him.

PUMA! 9 million Voters and counting, coming to the polls with You!

Obama/Biden = Bush/Cheney in Dems’ version…

The Democratic National Convention has convened to nominate Barack Obama. Can we move on here?

HILLARY AT VP WOULD NOT WORK, HILLARY WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT. WHY WOULD SHE WANT TO BE THE 2ND BANANNA? I BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE AS A SENATOR OR A CABINET MEMBER. AS DEMOCRAT’S, WE NEED TO STAND UNITED & WIN THIS ELECTION. ONLY THE RIDICULOUS SO-CALLED LIGHTWIEGHT DEMOCRATS WILL BE FOOLISH ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN AND KEEP OUR COUNTRY IN TOTAL DISPAIR FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

Yes Kim. I know where you come from. It’s your own fault when one of your children gets stricken with disease and puts you out business because the insurance does not cover her healthcare costs. It’s that simpel is it? It’s your own fault, is it?

Emm “More like, let her think she’s still a possibility so she’ll like me, adore me, worship me, like all the rest of my blind sheep.”
Ah, what lovely sentiments. And you are accusing Obama and his supporters of treating you badly?
Or are you one of the many republicans posing as democrats? Because, you know, when combining all these proclaimed Hillary-backers on these boards had actually voted or caucused for Hillary in the primaries, she should have won in a landslide?
But Hillary still has a chance to be VP. I hear McCain is vetting her.

My favorite Hillary line–I’m paraphrasing.
I have experience, Senator McCain brings a lifetime of experience, and Obama gave a speech in 2002.
How true–Obama has absolutely nothing that qualifies him to be president.

So McCain is still intent on the tactic of siphoning off Democratic votes by using a Democrat to attack a Democrat. It would bother me more if it made sense.

Americans don’t like politicans posing as rock stars with their rock star endorsements. Grown up will vote McCain!

hillary ruined her chances for the presidency. she’ll never have the support among democrats. she would have to burn more bridges again. who else is left?

The time for complaining about the primary process would have been before the process began, not after you come up short. Obama played by the established rules and won, nothing unfair or sinister to it, accept the facts.

Hillary was the next in line to be nominated for President of the Democratic party and Obama stepped out of line I dont care how you spin it he just did … he lied about the Clinton recoed… I know he did because I was there.. and Obama picked Biden because he would suck up to him and now Mccain is ahead of Obama go figure… I dont think she will do it but Clinton should consider being Mccains running mate…. alot has been said soley by Obamaphiles that will prevent the party from healing itself I say do away with the Democratic party… it doesnt reperesent 52 percent of its registrants now!

A dozen or so of some of Hillary’s top supporters are not sticking around for Nobama’s speech Thurs. Can’t say I blame them. I hope Hill flys out of there too, right after Bill’s speech Wed.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

I cannot wait until Obama loses to McCain in the fall so that the Clintons and all of their supporters can say, I TOLD YOU SO! I will be so glad to see that Chicago thug go back to where he came from and I hope he never has a chance to run for a big office again. He has such an inflated ego about himself! However, the one great thing he did for the women voters, by bashing Hillary Clinton at every opportunity he had, was he ignited the fire. We are mobilized and are staying organized so that we will have our voices heard loud and clear from now on. We were a ragtag group initially but now count among us, corporate heads, black people, babyboomer women, blue collar workers, etc. and we are ready to go and will NEVER drop our guard again and expect the party that we ALWAYS have supported in the past, to protect us from within our own party. Everyone is suspect now, not just the other party, but our own Democrat party because of the abuse they allowed Hillary Clinton to withstand at the hands of that Illinois thug Obama! WE WILL NEVER FORGET THAT THEY ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN! They had to have given him the green light to bash the Clintons because no one stopped it, NO ONE!! Perhaps the next time a woman runs people will remember this election and will treat her the way they would want to be treated, fairly. What kind of a society do we live in when a woman can be bashed and insulted and many people, including my own kind;women, think there is nothing wrong with that. And, people simply blow it off and say, Hey, that’s politics. Yet, if we evened the playing field and allowed Hillary to say any kind of derrogatory comment she wanted about Obama’s race, WHICH SHE NEVER WOULD DO, she would be crucified. Talk about double standards! It is disgusting! And, I am ashamed of any woman who supports Obama and I am ashamed of my party for treating my gender like it was open season on it, and I am ashamed of the majority of delegates who happened to be women,who turned their backs on Hillary Clinton. I hope they are all happy now. I am so proud of the Clinton supporters! Hang tough and don’t give up and don’t give in!

“I Didn’t Mean To Turn You On” was a hit for Cherrelle, and produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis before it was ever a hit for Robert Palmer.
Like those blues songs covered by rock acts, I can understand why you phrased it this way though.
For the record, it was issued on Hillary Clinton supporter Clarence Avant’s Tabu Records. You recall the folks who were suing to make Hillary the nominee. He was one of those elitist millionaires.
FYI.

>>> Mary Anne | Aug 26, 2008 11:21:02 PM
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Hear Hear!
What an amazing speech!
What an amazing woman!
And not ONE mistake in her magnificent presentation!
Quelle magnifique!

I am a Jeffersonian Democrat. I am a centrist or perhaps even moderate to conservative democrat. There used to be a lot of us in the democratic party until the DNC ran us off. I believe in state rights, fiscal accountability and a strong military. I vote for democrats in local and state elections. I am a well-educated woman and Hillary supporter who will not be happy until the glass ceiling is busted. I will vote for McCain if he puts a woman or a pro-choicer on his ticket for VP. If I end up voting democrat as a last resort, it will not be because I support Obama. The fact is I just don’t like the guy and am not going to be bullied by liberal democrats to vote for him. How many elections do democrats have to lose for the party to realize all democrats are not left wing liberals.

What a splendid strategy for garnering support amongst disaffected Clintonites: chastise them for being bitter and puerile as if they haven’t come to their conclusions based on REAL and SUBSTANTIVE reasons.
Maybe you can reach to new heights with the “transcendent” politics of change and employ some Chicago thuggery so we will all fall in line and buy a “Secret” DVD, “if you believe in it enough, it will come true!”
My party is populated by intellectual midgets, i.e. what has happened to American education when they nominate a man who has spent TWENTY YEARS and right up until the bitter end seeking advice from a hate monger?
Truly, I am ashamed of “my” party.

I Admire Hillary and Bill. I don’t like Barak and Michelle. It is really that simple. The Farakhan, Weatherman, and Chicago mob connection are also of concern. I don’t feel Obama is as smart or as seasoned as Hillary. She is bright, articulate and she is not a quitter. Financially, I will fare much better under McCain. The only other republican presidential candidate I voted for was Reagan and I thought he was a GREAT President. I am not going to judge McCain because of the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield/Rove Presidency. Things would have been differenct with James Baker, Brent Scrowcroft, McCain and other Republicans. The W. Legacy is about W. not the Republican Party. There are good people in both parties. And, after this election, I will have to re-examine why I am a registered democrat. The last hold out from a large family of traditional democrats. most of whom live in Oklahoma, Texas, and Colorado, that are now registered republicans. I have a Bachelor’s and Master’s in Political Science. I have worked in the federal government in both the military and law enforcement for 30 years. I have fought the glass ceiling my entire career and have earned the respect for my opinion. I understand why some will vote for Obama, but at this time I am not persuaded. I’d rather see what McCain, a war veteran whom I respect for serving his country, can do to clean up the W. mess. If he fails, which I imagine he will, Hillary or a more capable centrist democrat may be able to pull us out in 2012. I don’t expect Obama to win this election. I live in Maryland now and MD will go for OBAMA so, my vote won’t really matter. I think Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and all of the south will fall to McCain. I think that will be enough electoral votes for McCain to win the nomination.