President McCain Sends Secretary of State Lieberman and Defense Secretary Graham to Tbilisi
This blog has covered myriad instances of Sen. Barack Obama’s rather sizable self-regard, including his short-lived faux presidential seal.
But as we’ve noted, it’s not as if Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is without ego himself.
As the Washington Post notes today, this week McCain seemed to forget for a moment that he hasn’t yet been elected president.
Asked about his rhetoric towards Russia, McCain said, "If I may be so bold, there was another president –“
ANOTHER president?
In addition to which one? President McCain?
Suddenly realizing just how bold he was being, McCain stopped and tried again.
"At one time, there was a president named Ronald Reagan who spoke very strongly about America’s advocacy for democracy and freedom."
Another move some in the foreign policy community have questioned is McCain’s decision to send the McCainettes – Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-SC, and Joe Lieberman, I-Conn. – to Tbilisi, Georgia, to represent him.
Certainly some Democrats have been asking if the role McCain has played in this crisis is appropriate, with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili saying he’s “been talking to Sen. McCain several times a day…I think he’s been spending less time on his presidential campaign and more time on Georgia.”
Saakashvili also mentioned McCain’s support for Georgia at a rally saying, “John McCain said that Americans are supporting Georgia, McCain said, ‘we are Georgians today, everybody is Georgian today.’"
The crowd cheered.
But did Condi?
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Posted by: mike | August 15, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am
it was the Georgian President who first provoked Russia! You go McCain. Be as ignorant and self serving as McBush league. We’ll get into another war yet. Just you wait!
Posted by: DAVID NH | August 15, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
McBush is openly misusing the young and poor Georgian president to get elected by promoting fear and war as usual. America wake-up, your destiny is being stolen from you by McSame-Joe-Graham, and Corsi-Mary Mattlin
Posted by: BKMC | August 15, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
I must have fallen into a protracted sleep because when I evidently awakened, we must have elected John McCain President of the United States! Then I realized it was just a nightmare and McCain’s arrogance was simply in play and he was outside of his zone as simply a US Senator.
Posted by: Howard Gallas | August 15, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
I think it is very sad that John McCain cannot get passed the fact that he definately has memory issues. He truly shows this by concentrating on Georgia rather than his campaign. We need th stay out of this Russian affair and let them settle this on their own. By supporting Georgia we are only making matters worse. McCain is errogant and presumptuous about his chances of winning.
Posted by: truthtell | August 15, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
John McCain is a uppity Anglo, he’s an elietist ‘Georgian’. He is so smug the way he looks down on hard working Americans. He should learn his place and stop ‘playing’ president. This isn’t one of your movie roles John and frankly Putin is licking his chops at the thought of a conflict with an allready over extended US military.
Posted by: McBush is in over his head | August 15, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
At least someone is acting presidential.
Perhaps Obama will “sit down” with the Russians (then the Iranians, then the Pakistanis) and “talk” to them to get them to stop. What has he said of substance about this?
The only thing that will stop the Russians from overthrowing the Georgian government is US military protection of the Georgian capital. We should not just sit on our hands and let 40 years of cold war diplomacy, sweat, and effort fall down the tubes.
Posted by: Pete | August 15, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
McLame’s qulified to command the USO. His strength is clearly telling jokes.
Posted by: This guy is a walking punchline | August 15, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
I think we are all RUSSIANS today. Georgia was the one who started this latest crisis. McSame is on the wrong side. We should be supporting Russia. Russia is our ally, not the current president of Georgia who’s lobbist is McSame’s foreign policy advisor.
Posted by: Marc Perkel | August 15, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
McCain is scary…with post POW sindrome.
Obama is strong but measured. Agree with Bush or not, we only have one president at a time. McCain is clearly too involved with lobbyists ties to Georgia and his destructive interfering ego
Posted by: watching | August 15, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
Mccain has shown is foreign policy credentials with the crisis in Georgia. Obama said “let the UN handle it,” apparently, without knowing that Russia has veto power within the UN. Now, Obama has adopted McCain’s position on the conflict. How many times has Obama shifted his policy to that of his opponents (both Hillary and McCain)? Obama is frighteningly unprepared. And, sending press releases from your vacation in Hawaii makes me think of Bush on his ranch in TX during the Iraq conflict. Can someone please tell the American people that Obama is a MEDIA FABRICATION, not a real candidate? Real candidates have held full-time jobs, devoted themselves to thier country or devoted themselves in some way for more than a handful of years.
McCain 08/PUMA Democrat
Posted by: katherine | August 15, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
We are all Georgians today?
I’m a Tennessean today. Was one yesterday too. Expect to be one tomorrow.
Posted by: HillbillyBill | August 15, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am
I think it’s absolutely unseemly that a CANDIDATE for President is attempting to influence, confuse, or what have you, United States foreign policy.
Someone needs to remind McCain that we have ONE President at a time. The fact that’s he’s auditioning for President doesn’t qualify.
The press vilified Obama for his silly seal, his Berlin speech, and his so-called self confidence, yet (until this morning’s Washington Post) has been largely silent about McCain’s presumptuousness.
Barack Obama’s statement on the Georgian disaster was inline with President Bush’s response, as well as other world leaders, and then John McCain makes a uniquely bellicose statement. Later going so far as “speaking for American’s” and saying “we are all Georgian’s now”.
The double standard is glaring. It seems that when the media narrative has been that Obama is “presumptuous”, and another candidate truly is presumptuous, it’s difficult to derail the prevailing story line.
Finally, the straw that is breaking the camel’s back, McCain decides to send his two surrogates to Georgia– to do what exactly? Bush, the REAL President, has dispatched the Secretary of State. Is McCain creating some shadow government to subvert our Commander in Chief? What the hell’s going on?
Posted by: ChrisNBama | August 15, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
McCain called for the UN Security Council to meet on the issue AFTER Russia had already gotten an emergency meeting called. He’s flying blind here. The stupidity is so thick that it hurts. This guy is even more embarassing than Bush.
Posted by: Mike | August 15, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
It’s about time we had some competent people over there.
Posted by: Vote McCain | August 15, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
So Mo McCain is going to send his surrogates, Larry and Curly Joe to Georgia. Are they going to end up in Atlanta?
Posted by: kat | August 15, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Can you imagine what would’ve been said if Obama sent Chuck Hagal and Jack Reed to Georgia?
We would never hear the end of it.
John McCain is as arrogant as they come.
Posted by: Vanessa | August 15, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
John McCain In Another Gaffe Refers To Himself As President McCain Shouldnt We Wait Until The Votes Are Cast, Señor?
Meanwhile, Back In Hawaii, Barack Obama Kicks Back With Both Arms Folded Behind His Head As Panama John Continues To Make A Belligerant Horses Behind Out Of Himself On Georgia Crisis
Thats right, folks Preside…
Posted by: THE GUN TOTING LIBERAL™ | August 15, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
—-From a POW—
McCain’s military record has little to do with his qualifications, but everything to do with his love of country. Many who never wore the uniform are loyal citizens, but most of those who served in combat zones have a special affinity for their place of birth. Neither candidate inspires great confidence, and you may disagree, but in my opinion, McCain’s mother hit the nail on the head when she suggested we had to “hold our nose and vote for John”.
Posted by: independent | August 15, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Can you say ‘presumptious’?
Yes you can
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 15, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
I’m an older, white working stiff who’s very troubled by McCain’s obvious love affair with the wealthy. He’s from a distinguished Navy family. Although he followed in his father’s footsteps, he does not share the idealism of his father. John McCain has always been the upwardly mobile playboy son of a distinguished family in search of a fortune and a place in history. It seems to me that he is a man of limited capacity overreaching to earn the approval of his father. Ordinarily that would not be a problem. However, as president, his belief that the best use the nation’s young people is service as cannon fodder in a military whose mission is to serve the interests of the wealthy is a disservice to all those he would sacrifice to secure his place as a member of the moneyed classes.
Posted by: David | August 15, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
It’s utterly ridiculous that A]George Bush is letting McCain pretend to be President and B]The Mainstream media, who not to long ago gobbled up the McCain talking point that Obama was being “presumptuous” seems to see nothing wrong with McCain talking to Saakashvili many times a day, and now sending his campaign “envoy” to meet with him in Georgia? What are they supposed to say? What promises are being made on behalf of his campaign? Did Randy Scheunemann accompany Lieberman and Graham on the trip, maybe to collect his latest payment. This reeks of “Wag the Dog”.
So meeting with foreign leaders after the primary (the exact same thing as McCain did earlier) was “presumptuous”, but McCain playing President, saber rattling and sending campaign envoys is completely acceptable?
McCain is the only one politicizing and attempting to score political points with it. Randy Scheunemann’s probably in really deep here, and considering Georgia made the first move, it makes you wonder who emboldened Saakashvili and for what reason?
Posted by: Jonze | August 15, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
>The only thing that will stop the >Russians from overthrowing the Georgian >government
Is for the Georgians to stop trying to start wars against the Russians.
Posted by: godlessmath | August 15, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
It just means McCain is distrustful of Saakashvili and wants reliable assessment of the situation in Georgia and especially the Russian response. Yes, he is planning for his presidency. Hope Obama isn’t relying solely on the MSM to get his information on Russia and Georgia.
Posted by: LJ | August 15, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
So why is Obama considered “presumptuous” when he exhibits Commander-in-Chief-like actions while in Europe, but McCain’s meddling in the Georgia-Russia conflict is considered “leadership”?
Posted by: VirginiaMom | August 15, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Dear Mr. Tapper,
John McCain has dispatched his own “team” to Georgia to manage what he calls “the first international crisis since the cold war”.
Is it?
And, isn’t it a bit unusual for a Presidential candidate to be claiming to be managing US foreign policy? Especially a candidate who has denounced the other cadidate’s integrity and patriotism for “presumptuously” giving a speech on foreign soil?
Has any Presidential candidate in US history behaved like this?
Thanks for starting to address some of these questions in your news coverage.
Posted by: al75 | August 15, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
LJ: “It just means McCain is distrustful of Saakashvili and wants reliable assessment of the situation in Georgia”
And he’s going to get that from sending Joe Lieberman there for a couple days? HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Posted by: BBpd | August 15, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Senator Obama holds a beerfest/rock concert/campaign rally in Germany. What is wrong with Senators Lieberman and Graham going to Georgia to actually do something.
Posted by: geevill | August 15, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
geevill: “What is wrong with Senators Lieberman and Graham going to Georgia to actually do something.”
And what precisely is that?
Posted by: BBpd | August 15, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
I agree that this is a bit of an overreach by McCain, but he does have a longstanding relationship with that governement. However, Obama should be careful about throwing stones on this one after his flak/VP? said that Russia complied with Obama’s demands that it withdraw. The Kaine tack is far more presumptious given that Obama was late to the game and parroted the Bush Administration, and even worse, it wasn’t even true – Russia did not withdraw when Kaine said they had.
I will take McCain’s presidential overreach in supporting a beleagured democracy over Obama’s overreach in playing president before the David Hasselhoff fan club.
Posted by: J. Lichty | August 15, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
McSame is protecting his lobbying firm which is working for Georgia. If you take lobbyist money from Georgia for your campaign McSame you will pay something back. That is what McBush is doing and America should understand that his presidency will be under the direct control of lobbysts. God save America from McSame. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | August 15, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Once again Obama has handled this situation w/ a calm & clear measured response. McCain came out immediately in defense of Georgia & has made NO MENTION of the fact that Georgia started this conflict 2 weeks ago with the attacks against S.Ossetia.
How about those soundbites from McCain??? “In the 21st century Countries don’t invade other Countries” or “We’re all Georgians now”. The conflict of interest is thick & honestly this whole thing smacks of set up. Despite media attempts to play this election as if it’s close, the facts on the ground remain, The People support Obama & barring some sort of major corruption Obam wins in a landslide…
Posted by: Chapman | August 15, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
I find it terribly interesting that those on the right find the Georgian folly of invading S. Ossetia, etc. to be a grave crisis in the realm of American foreign policy. This Georgian invasion was in part caused by the puffery (and unrestrained arms dealing)of the current ruling class on Pennsylvania avenue. Should we again pay in American lives for a hypocritical ideology that values nationalist self-determination only if it is the correct, Western loving kind?
The Georgian president blithely thought that the US would come to his aide if his best laid invasion plans went the way that they have gone. Sadly for Georgia, we can’t really afford to get involved in their screw-up, namely trusting that this administration (or any Republican administration really has the wherewithal to stand-up to a country that still has plenty of nukes to send us all back to the Stone-age or before. This of course is geo-political reality, something the presumptuous candidate McCain can afford to ignore at his convenience, while inflaming tensions that at least appear to be subsiding as Russia fundamentally kicks Georgia’s butt.
The real crisis of course has been in American leadership since the inauguration of GW Bush. That is something that will not be repaired by a political dilettante like McCain. Most like the leadership crisis will worsen and we will continue to see the slow collapse of the American experiment.
Posted by: randomaction | August 15, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
The current president of Russia
during his election campaign
obliquely referred to McCain’s
positions as semi-senile policies
of the past.
He doesn’t have a high opinion
of McCain.
Posted by: anon | August 15, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
At least if you call *McCain* presumptuous, you won’t get accused of using racist code words.
Posted by: MayBee | August 15, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Russian tanks are parked less
than 20 miles from Tbilisi and
they are not leaving Georgia.
Posted by: anon | August 15, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
McCain has always been the I, I, I candidate.
McCain declared, “Look, I know the area, I’ve been there, I know wars, I know how to win wars, and I know how to improve our capabilities so that we will capture Osama bin Laden — or put it this way, bring him to justice… We will do it, I know how to do it.”
“I know how to win wars. I know how to win wars… And if I’m elected President, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory, I know how to do that.”
What’s really amazing is how the media narrative is always so far from reality. Like the media narrative that 0bama is the arrogant and cocky candidate when it is really McCain.
Posted by: KQuark | August 15, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
For those asking what is wrong with McCain dispatching Lieberman and Graham to Georgia should take the time to understand the US constitution — the Executive (for better or worse in this case) conducts foreign affairs and the Senate is required to confirm the foreign agreements (treaties). Senators are not empowered to negotiate with foreign entities. It could often be wise for the executive to involve legislators in the negotiation process however this would appear to be a President’s choice and not a requirement and especially not an option of a Legislator to initiate in a unilateral matter. Senators McCain, Lieberman and Graham are all assuming executive authority without authorization and interfering with the constitutional operation of the US government. As such they should be subject to ethics hearings for their actions that do not reflect appropriately on the Senate of the United States.
Posted by: Constitution | August 15, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
President McCain. Get used to it.
Posted by: RealisticLib | August 19, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm