Republicans to Kick Obama’s Tires
Last week in Missouri, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said, "there are things that you can do individually though to save energy. Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much."
Seeking to belittle these remarks – and to portray them, falsely, as Obama’s sole energy plan – the RNC will be sending reporters tire gauges engraved with “Obama’s Energy Plan” today. Michigan Republicans will be passing out tire gauges at his event today.
ABC News’ Natalie Gewargis and I fact-checked Obama’s claim last week.
It’s not quite accurate to say that tune-ups and inflated tires would save as much energy as drilling in the outer continental shelf is predicted to yield.
That said, if Americans took Obama’s advice, they would save about 800,000 barrels of oil a day. Certainly nothing to dismiss out of hand if you actually take this energy crisis seriously.
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Posted by: JJ | August 4, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Jake, just curious, how much would we save if tires are inflated correctly AND the speed limit is reduced to 55 and actually adhered to? Most people I see on the roads seem to bent on racing with each other… to the next stop light.
Posted by: Sompras | August 4, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
As an American driver, the difference is obvious. The tune up and air check for tires, directly saves money in MY POCKET. The value of the oil pumped offshore doesn’t mean it goes to an American gas station.
Why would Exxon ship here if it gets more at the pump elsewhere.
I guess when McCain says we need to try ALL options, he didn’t include proper air in tires. Just the options that his handlers tell him are important or the oil companys pay him to tout.
Posted by: DAVID NH | August 4, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am
“Seeking to belittle these remarks – and to portray them, *falsely,* as Obama’s sole energy plan…”
Thank you. “False” is a word rarely spoken in the media when it comes to Republican talking points.
Posted by: JJ | August 4, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
The joke is fine but the facts are otherwise. Vehicle maintenance is the best way for individuals to get relief at the pump to the extend individuals can influence their own situation.
The Republicans will fall into the trap that McCain is all about Big Oil if they continue to use a humiliation strategy.
There are two horns to the energy dilemma: individual efforts and national efforts.
We owe it to people to ensure they get the facts on how to save energy. We owe it to the world to begin today on a national strategy to conserve, cultivate new energy sources and eliminate our dependency on foreign sources.
Posted by: len | August 4, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
McCain and his Republican henchmen are pitiful. They offer nothing at all positive to the American people – in terms of either policy or politics. Only fear, smear, and juvenile mockery. I look forward to Obama’s bringing character and maturity back to the presidency.
Posted by: jefferson | August 4, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Jake,
The funny thing is that you predicted–quite accurately–that this would happen.
Does anyone recall the last time a US presidential election was won on policy discussions, rather character assassination and demagoguery?
Posted by: Lance D. | August 4, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Well it isn’t quite accurate that inflating tires will save money if no drilling but it is ACCURATE that drivers will save money if there is regular maintance of cars.
The GOP’s silly stunt will have little affect compared Obama’s NEW ATTACK AD on McCain.
McCain=Bush=Oil companies.
Repeat
Repeat
Repeat
Now THAT is what Americans will remember.
While the McCain campaign is wasting its money on Britney Spears/Paris Hilton attack ads, the Obama campaign is using the BEST attack that they have which is a vote for McCain equals another 4 years of George Bush.
Posted by: Sandy | August 4, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
We will not save 800,000 barrels of oil a day.
Jack assumes no one is taking care of tires. some do and even lot of cars are monitored by Chip today.
Obama is preaching like Jesus to heal the nation.
We have 3 trillion Barrels of oil and enough for next 2000 years.
John McCain says, Oil is for short-term solution and he has a long term solution too.
Obama supporters, What the short-term solution from your Lord, Nothing. Empty Suit
Posted by: tim | August 4, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Come on, these facts are way off and not pratical. Bottom line Barry’s statement is fundamental and no real impact from a worthy future president. Price will come down asap if oil speculators can see any future increase in oil supply such as off shore and nuclear and we aggressively address electic cars but many other industries use oil products that need more sources that wind or ocean currents will not meet the need before oil drilling and nuclear. You know who speculators are needed since they estimate future oil costs so long term contracts can be given to many industries including airlines. This is not just people buying stock it is a business process needed for ever.
Posted by: john | August 4, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
…about 800,000 barrels of oil a day!
Republicans only like so-called energy “solutions” that line the pockets of Big Oil. Having two oil men sitting in the Oval Office has done us a lot of good. We don’t need another.
Posted by: jefferson | August 4, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
What a brilliant idea from BHO. There are Americans who are struggling to pay grocery bills and BHO is askign them to spend more money on tune ups. The amount of money you would spend for tune ups will be MUCH MORE than the amount of money you will save at the pump by keeping your car tuned-up!! Now that sounds like a thinking President.
On the other hand the War Hero and experienced McCain is askign to drill for more oil and increase the supply to bring the price down. BHO assumes that all Americans are fools like his own followers.
Posted by: CJ | August 4, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Obama deserves to be ridiculed for these remarks. He didn’t simply ask Americans to do their part by inflating their tires. He falsely stated – twice – that doing so would replace all the oil that domestic drilling would produce. Either Obama is woefully ignorant or he thinks voters are.
Posted by: marylou | August 4, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
We will not save 800,000 barrels of oil a day.
Jack assumes no one is taking care of tires. some do and even lot of cars are monitored by Chip today.
Obama is preaching like Jesus to heal the nation.
We have 3 trillion Barrels of oil and enough for next 2000 years.
John McCain says, Oil is for short-term solution and he has a long term solution too.
Obama supporters, What the short-term solution from your Lord, Nothing. Empty Suit
Tim
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Do you drive an SUV? You seem to think that oil resources are unlimited, and that Americans should consume as much as they can, regardless of the environmental impacts.
Not only that your estimates are nonsensical but also they express a certain selfishness. Did you ever ask yourself about the negative impact all the US pollution is causing around the globe.
Keep in mind, we are only 5% of the world population, but we consume 25% of the oil. Does that sound right to you?
Posted by: Lance D. | August 4, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
“McCain=Bush=Oil companies. Repeat…
Now THAT is what Americans will remember.”
Actually, no matter how often you repeat it it isn’t that noticeable. Voters assume both candidates are in the hands of big donors. Obama comes off hokey claiming he is all grass roots when the facts say otherwise. McCain needs to be careful with his strategy of not insisting on personal responsibility. We are a great nation made up of strong smart people well capable of stepping up to the challenge. It is not a sacrifice to care for one’s own situation.
They will remember that Obama is unwilling to assume reponsbility for his own actions regards the energy crisis and simply says No to the reasonable achievable means. And they will remember he deliberately deprived Michigan and Florida of representation to win the primary then demanded they be reinstated to help him in the general election.
In short, in the words of Robert Preston in Victoria Victoria, “they’ll say HE’s a phony”.
Posted by: len | August 4, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Lance D.
What is the shor-term solution for Energy crisis other than Oil. McCain has long term solutions too like Nuclear,Wind,Solar, etc
Does Obama have any short-term solution for next 5-10 years.
Can you tell the reason why Obama opposes Nuclear
Posted by: tim | August 4, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Lance D
We have 2 trillion barrels of oil enough for next 2000 years. We all know about polution, But does lord Obama has any other technology working today other than Oil.
McCain has long terms solution also like Nuclear,Wind, Solar.
Posted by: john | August 4, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
“Care to discuss Gergen’s “dogwhistle” comments from Sunday’s show?”
Sure. Do you think it is a winning strategy to refer to the voters as ‘dogs’?
Even Gergen doesn’t get how Reagan beat Carter. He is too nuanced and in the slicing and dicing of parts, he missed the big picture. No one wins by talking down to the voters. Since Obama talks down to everybody, the people who respond best to him are the same people who would obey a dogwhistle.
Posted by: len | August 4, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Obama did say inflating tires and getting costly unecessary tune-ups would save as much gas as what can be drillied. Now will he have us wearing WIN buttons to make the cost go down?
Posted by: geevill | August 4, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
len wrote:
And they will remember he deliberately deprived Michigan and Florida of representation to win the primary then demanded they be reinstated to help him in the general election.
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Ummmm….no, MI and FL moved ahead of dates in direct violation of the party rules. THEY did it to themselves, trust me, MI knows what happened. MI Governor Jennifer Granholm was Hillary’s State Chair and SHE moved the date, so Hillary should have stopped her but didn’t. Not Obama’s fault, HILLARY’s!
Posted by: MI VOTER | August 4, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
I am a Democrat, and had made up my mind to vote for the Democrat, no matter which nominee won. I’m rethinking that position. I’m tired of hearing Bush = McCain. That’s a load of bull, and it’s an insult to my intelligence for Obama, McCaskill & Co. to keep repeating it. I hate it when politicians assume I’m an idiot. I’m also extremely upset that Obama insinuated John McCain and his campaign are racists. If the McCain camp or the national Republican Party had actually done something that was racist, I’d be the first to condemn them. I don’t think the Republicans are any better than the Democrats, but I sure am disappointed in my own party this year. I’ve never not voted in an election, but I just can’t see voting for Obama. I can’t vote Republican, either. And Ralph Nader is an idiot. Where does that leave me? I guess I’ll have to vote Democratic for state and national offices, and leave the presidential line blank. I will NEVER vote for a Republican, but I will also NEVER vote for a black man who acts as if anyone who disagrees with him is a racist. Am I the only white person in this country who is sick of this crap?
Posted by: Claude Jackson | August 4, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
claude
what are you even talking about
mccain put obamas face on a dollar bill, mccain has interjected race into the election, he does it and then when obama responds, he claims it was obama
mccain is the worst nominee in history
THEE WORST
Posted by: bhrandon | August 4, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
We have 2 trillion barrels of oil enough for next 2000 years. We all know about polution, But does Obama has any other technology working today other than Oil.
McCain has long terms solution also like Nuclear,Wind, Solar.
John,
What is the shor-term solution for Energy crisis other than Oil. McCain has long term solutions too like Nuclear,Wind,Solar, etc
Does Obama have any short-term solution for next 5-10 years.
Can you tell the reason why Obama opposes Nuclear
Tim
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The short and long term solution is you should both leave your SUVs home and take the public transport.
You see the problem with your line of argument is consume more, don’t change your habit. More over, your flawed logic assumes that for the next 2000 years the American oil consumption will stay as it is now. Which is clearly wrong again by your line of argument and thinking.
It doesn’t matter if the US have 2 trillions of oil offshore, if Americans keep increasing their consumption exponentially, it won’t make any difference.
Posted by: Lance D. | August 4, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Mccains energy solution is to get rid of amtrak and stop investing in public transportation
wow really a great move
lets roll out some more SUVs because we still have some oil
why arent the oil companies drilling in the millions of acres that are already open to them?
if its sucha great solution and if it needs to happen now, lets start now… why arent they drilling now?
what are they waiting for?
any idea?
MORE MONEY!
Posted by: bhrandon | August 4, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
“What is the shor-term solution for Energy crisis other than Oil. McCain has long term solutions too like Nuclear,Wind,Solar, etc
Does Obama have any short-term solution for next 5-10 years.”
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Tim,
There’s isn’t a short term solution to the energy crisis we’re in. Additional drilling is not a short term fix. We will not reap dividends for that for another 7-10 years.
In the meantime, conservation is the answer until adequate green technologies come on line.
Anyone who’s saying additional drilling is a “short term fix” is lying. Period.
Posted by: ChrisNBama | August 4, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
This is an outline taken directly from the chapter “The Almighty Tune-Up Rip-offs” from the book “Car Secrets Revealed”.
Engine tune ups can be an overpriced rip-off. If you own a car built in the mid 80s it probably does not need to have a tune-up.
Almost Every Car Built Now Is Run By A Computer And Does Not Need The Tune Up That We Are Accustomed To Paying For.
CARS DO NOT NEED TUNE-UPS ANYMORE.
Posted by: geevill | August 4, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Who voted for the Cheney Energy Bill? Obama.
Who is getting money from Big Oil Bundlers?
Obama.
Who is having a problem with inflation?
Obama.
Posted by: beebop | August 4, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
geevil
that book also sounds like a really really really good reliable source
Posted by: bhrandon | August 4, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
McCain has been voting against American’s for 23 years. Not one vote of his or the Republicans have been for the people in the last 8 years. It is all about money and who gets it. It really upsets me when people come onto this site and speak of this man. Do you people not realize McCain, Bush, Chaney…created this world you now live in? They started the war, they destroyed our economy, the gas companies are richer, the housing… I can go on. And now, that it is time to vote for office they are acting like they are our saviors??? Really, they are going to save us now from what they created to begin with. They are using their bad judgments and decision that they have made this past 8 years and putting them all on Obama. Crazy isn’t it. Now they want to save you, and you are going to believe them, and when McCain gets back into office it will crap as usual. I am so confused as to how you people are viewing all of this. The created the messes they are now wanting to save us from???
Posted by: becky | August 4, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
The 800,000 gallons a year in gas would be saved if every vehicle on the road was driving on almost flat tires. Only about 15% of vehicles are driven any distance with deflated tires. And only a fool would drive on ice with over inflated tires. Over-inflated tire can not grip the road. Smaller engines and slower speeds make more sense.
Posted by: Martin | August 4, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
“CARS DO NOT NEED TUNE-UPS ANYMORE.”
Not quite true. Loss of compression is a real problem in tightly engineered cars. Oil still needs to be changed regularly. Tires at the right inflation for the specific make of tires (not car, but tires) change road handling and do help gas mileage. Plugs are good for a very long time but wire corrosion still creates misfires. It isn’t a tune-up as much as scheduled inspections and maintenance. When you buy the car, don’t swap the five year maintenance for a built-in mp3 stereo. You swapped savings for a crappy sound.
IOW, no it is not as big a deal as Obama claims but it is not negligible and it varies by year, make, model, driving area (in-town or interstate) and driving habits (do you accelerate hard then brake hard). Don’t lose the facts in the campaign. We have real pain; let’s talk about real solutions for individuals and for the nation.
My Dad was a master mechanic. He predicted everything we are seeing right now. When young, I didn’t listen. Now it’s nice to know the old folks really do know. You folks spending your time belittling McCain’s age don’t. You really don’t.
Posted by: len | August 4, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
or…….we could start building cars that DON’T RUN ON GASOLINE!
Posted by: Louis | August 4, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Last night on TV, one car expert stated that biofuels are bad for engines. Too much moisture gets into engine parts and causes sludge to build up. One should use a gas additive if using biofuel so the guy said. This will actually make car operation costs higher.
Posted by: Martin | August 4, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
One party’s nominee [the Democratic Party] has a simple idea that costs Americans NOTHING & allows Americans to do something that would only take a minute or two [while doing something positive to conserve energy] in order to save 800,000 barrels of oil a day.
The other party [the Republican Party] is sending tire gauges to reporters.
Real ideas v. gimmicks. I’ve had enough of head in the sand, willfully obtuse government. I’m ready for politics that ACTUALLY ASKS AMERICANS TO PITCH IN & get involved in improving our lives as opposed to a government that tells us to GO SHOP.
Posted by: Steve | August 4, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
there are a half dozen cars that could be put into production in less than 6 months that run entirely on electricity and meet the needs of 95% of all drivers. 200+ mile range on a single charge, 75mph+, 4-6 passengers, plug it in at night for at least 6 hours to get a full charge. No new tech needed. Mandate Zero Emissions now!
Posted by: Louis | August 4, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Why does the McCain campaign try to make a joke out of everything? How much money have they wasted so far on novelties for the press – tire guages, press passes, it’s getting down right ridiculous.
Of course, considering the glowing press coverage they get, I suppose they are getting an EXCELLENT return on their investment.
Sad.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | August 4, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Republicans are mocking something that brings actual relief to people? Why didn’t they do anything when they were in control?
Posted by: AkaDad | August 4, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
I would love for a reporter to chack the air pressure on Obama’s tires.
Posted by: geevill | August 4, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Tires!! Outrageous!!
Actually, if you look at the full context of the remark, he wasn’t even suggesting tire inflation as a solution. He was saying it would be just as effective as offshore drilling–not very effective as an overall solution.
But of course, leave it to the right wing noise machine and media quislings to take the remark out of context, just like they took the “I have become a symbol” remark out of context.
Posted by: JJ | August 4, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
He was saying it would be just as effective as offshore drilling–
Right. what a simpleton.
Posted by: geevill | August 4, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
In other words, not effective at all.
Actually, if Republicans were actually serious about providing consumers with relief, then they’d release oil from the strategic reserve.
But they’re not interested in providing relief. They just want a political weapon–even if their solution does nothing for anyone for seven years.
Is this a made-up controversy, or what? Par for the course for the right wing noise machine.
Posted by: JJ | August 4, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Actually, if Republicans were actually serious about providing consumers with relief, then they’d release oil from the strategic reserve.
But they’re not interested in providing relief. They just want a political weapon–even if their solution does nothing for anyone for many years.
Is this a made-up controversy, or what? Par for the course for the right wing noise machine.
Posted by: JJ | August 4, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
@John: “Price will come down asap if oil speculators can see any future increase in oil supply such as off shore”
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In 2006, two years ago, we opened most of the Gulf of Mexico with its estimated 41 billion barrels of oil.
Oil prices since then have doubled.
The remaining prohibited coastal areas have only 18 billion barrels of oil.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Un-rich people in northern states who use OIL heat, are apt to be BURNING tires to keep warm, come winter — so it might be best to leave ‘em UNDER-inflated,
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Does anyone know where Obama stands on anything?
You can’t become president on an ambiguous platform!
A Democrat who is paying attention.
Posted by: AlbertMike | August 4, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
“Either Obama is woefully ignorant or he thinks voters are.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
“Does anyone know where Obama stands on anything?”
Probably many don’t, because we’ve been discussing Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, tire inflation, and how “uppity” Obama is.
Posted by: JJ | August 4, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
@ohn “We have 2 trillion barrels of oil enough for next 2000 years.”
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What a blatant lie.
Oil companies have already entered the stage where they have trouble extracting oil to meet demand. Oil fields in Mexico are already in a state where production declines by 13% annually because it gets harder and harder to pump the oil. Saudi Arabia is at the peak of production, they’re unable to produce significantly more oil, despite desperate pleas by Bush earlier this year.
We’re entering the stage of peak oil: production will go down ánd the remaining oil will be harder and harder (read ‘more costly’) to extract.
Don’t take my words for it. Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens stated in 2005 that worldwide conventional oil production was very close to peaking. On June 17, 2008, in testimony before the U.S. Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Pickens stated that “I do believe you have peaked out at 85 million barrels a day globally,”. Data from the US Energy Information Administration show that world production leveled out in 2004, and reached a peak in the third quarter of 2006, and an October 2007 retrospective report by the Energy Watch Group concluded that this was the peak of conventional oil production.
By the middle of the century, the price of oil will be worth a fortune, per pint.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
JJ, just keep pulling out the race card; we understand that it’s all you’ve got at his point. Obama supporters love to point out what an idiot Bush is. Fact check: his educational background is similar to Obama’s, proof that education doesn’t equal intelligence – or common sense either for that matter.
And for the record, Obama isn’t a former University of Chicago law professor. That’s another one of his lies. He was a senior lecturer. It was only when he pushed the “professor” label that the University obliged him by playing along, which must have thrilled their professors who had actually worked to earn that title. Of course, maybe UC isn’t too picky – Bill Ayers is a professor there.
Posted by: marylou | August 4, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
AkaDad, no need to read Obama’s policies. As proven, he’ll change all of his positions as needed to lure a vote. Aren’t you the least bit concerned that Obama simply can’t be trusted? McCain isn’t the only alternative for your vote.
Posted by: marylou | August 4, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
“Obama’s Energy Plan”: New Engraved Tire Gauges!
Republicans to kick Obama’s tires from Political Punch reports that the RNC is handing out tire gauges to reporters and to attendees at an Obama event in Michigan. The gauges are engraved with Obama’s Energy Plan. Hopefully these can be
Posted by: PAXALLES | August 4, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Where can we get these gauges – good job, RNC! Pass them out at the Capitol to all the people who are in the galleries speaking out with the House members about the need to have an up or down vote on drilling.
Posted by: PAXALLES | August 4, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
292 Million barrels of oil a year just by taking better care of our vehicles?
I guess our society is a wasteful, behemoth of greed and lazyness.
nice.
Posted by: FormerRepub | August 4, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Just imagine what a different “campaign” would be underway if the Democrats’ “presumptive” nominee were John Edwards, rather than The CHANGEling.
The Democratic delegates can fix this in Denver. And they’d better: considering the dubious nature of the vote-counting, neither the “post-partisan” CHANGEling nor Clinton seems is apt to prevail in the General Election.
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
“JJ, just keep pulling out the race card, we understand that it’s all you’ve got at his point.”
Sorry, yeah, the Republicans are just rolling in political capital. Everyone just loooves them some Iraq War and corrupt GOP politicians.
As for him being a “visiting lecturer” or an “adjunct professor”, or whatever, who cares? The guy is no slouch.
But as for the “race card,” right, we would never expect the party who invented “strapping young bucks” collecting food stamps in Philadelphia, Mississippi, or Willie Horton, or “call me, Harold Ford,” to be playing with racial politics. Of course not. The well-documented southern strategy is just a figment of everyone’s imagination. Even if the late Lee Atwater made it perfectly crystal-clear when he confessed what he was doing.
I expect we’ll see a lot more Atwater/Rove/Schmidt tactics to come…
Posted by: JJ | August 4, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
@ohn “We have 2 trillion barrels of oil enough for next 2000 years.”
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What a blatant lie.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Aug 4, 2008
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What? 0-bama never lies, except when he lies and changes to what he really meant.
Posted by: fact check | August 4, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Probably the same people who mocked Jimmy Carter for suggesting an increase in mileage standards for cars.
If the Big Three had listened, the US might have become the top auto manufacturer in the world.
I’m tired of the republican mantra that always thinks the only solution is big business, grow our way out of a mess.
My suspicion is the prime benefactor of additional drilling will be the oil companies who’ll be selling to meet the increased demand from the 3 billion people living in India and China.
Posted by: Citizen Voter | August 4, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
“I expect we’ll see a lot more Atwater/Rove/Schmidt tactics to come…”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
My electricity rates have really gone up in the last three years and even faster since they now use some wind turbine generated electricity. If I can’t afford to keep my whole house air conditioned (Only living room and kitchen now)in the summertime, how can I afford to ‘fill up’ an electric car? And what would a fill up cost for a $200 mile trip?? Just curious.
Posted by: Mary | August 4, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
@fact check
You want to compare the lie ‘2 trillion barrels of oil enough for next 2000 years.’ (when extremely optimistic estimates is more in the region of 30 billion, ask the DoE) with Barack’s claim “just as much” which some experts dispute and others think might well be true?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Here are Obama’s proposals:
1. “Build fuel-efficient cars and have one million 150 mile-per-gallon plug-in hybrids on the roads within six years”
Who buys them and what do they cost to produce? Do we incentivize American-owned industry or rely on foreign cara manufacturers? Do we cut a deal for cars manufacturers that are foreign-owned but produced in the US? One million seems to be targeting a wealthy buyer? Is this savings for the well-off while gas prices rise?
2. “Require that 10 percent of the country’s energy come from renewable sources by the end of his first term”
Details matter. What combination of renewables and in what locations in the country? Like the million proposed above, the wealthy can afford the home retrofits. Will there be incentives? Who qualifies?
3. “Call on businesses, government and the American people to meet the goal of reducing the demand for electricity 15 percent by the end of the next decade.”
Is this to reduce the carbon emissions or coal plants? Do we do as they do in New York and dress skimpier in the heat? Are there incentives?
Who pays for the incentives? Where do we get the money for tax breaks?
He has put plans for policies on the table. What about them? So far it appears he is only targeting changes to the well-off and leaving the other classes to fend for themselves. Once again elite solutions from an elitist.
But, it’s not useful to dismiss it out of hand. It is very useful to analyze and look for details.
Posted by: len | August 4, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
@Mary: While petroleum fuel (gasoline or diesel) powered cars typically average 5 to 23 L/100 km (10 to 50 mpg), electric cars can average the equivalent of 1.5 L/100 km (200 mpg) with a typical cost of 1.2 to 2.4 cents per kilometer. In contrast, petrofuel (gasoline or diesel) ICEVs currently cost about four to six times as much.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
WHAT about HEATING oil, especially in the northern US??
Fall is falling, and it’ll be getting COLD, REALLY cold for many — not to mention, which of course The CHANGEling doesn’t, the “homeless” whose ranks will be swollen by the mortgage mess — come the November election.
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
@Mary, this estimate was based on a 2006 report.
What happened between 2006 and 2008? Oh yeah, gas prices doubled
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Probably the same people who mocked Jimmy Carter for suggesting an increase in mileage standards for cars.
Posted by: Citizen Voter | Aug 4, 2008
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You, as 0-bama wants you to believe, have completely missed the point.
An important fact is that the oil-dependence and energy crisis is not an inflating-your-tire problem, nor a developing-solar-cells problem, nor a wind-mill problem, nor a corn-for-ethanol problem.
You can have all those things add together, and achieved 100% of capacity, and that’s still not going to provide more than 20%, at best, of your, i.e., this country’s, energy need, just in the 21st century.
Does this phony 0-bama have any idea, any clue, what a future energy policy would be like? Zero. He only has an air-solution.
McCain is disappoint as well, but at least he is 45 steps ahead of 0-bama, in that he proposes to build 45 nuclear power plants in the next 20 years.
He needs to propose to spend 1 trillion dollars in the next 20 years to solve the “energy problem” once for all, and that solution, and the only solution, is nuclear energy. And, it is an unlimited, CLEAN, unlike 0-bama supporters trying to scare you, energy source.
Posted by: fact check | August 4, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
“While petroleum fuel (gasoline or diesel) powered cars typically average 5 to 23 L/100 km (10 to 50 mpg), electric cars can average the equivalent of 1.5 L/100 km (200 mpg) with a typical cost of 1.2 to 2.4 cents per kilometer. In contrast, petrofuel (gasoline or diesel) ICEVs currently cost about four to six times as much.”
Trusting those figures are right for an individual vehicle of some given make, model and manufacturer, are these figures the same at scale? IOW, what are the systemic costs if the reduction in km per cost averages out across some n number of users who simultaneously are asked to reduce electrical consumption?
I don’t see how we can pursue one without compromising the other. Regardless of what we do about mpg/km we still need clean renewable and affordable resources for the electrical generation.
Nuclear still seems to be the best trade-off in the near term (or say two terms).
Posted by: len | August 4, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Belle Star, you can thank Bush for that. Don’t forget to vote for McBush come November and vote for giving MORE tax cuts to the rich and giving 4 billion in subsidies to Big Oil. Their profits were really really meager this year, poor guys.
The Rich is the Real Welfare Queen, Taxpayers should do everything they can to support them.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Who buys [neo-cars] and what do they cost to produce?
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Stop picking on poor Barak. Having zero energy experience is hard. Just because he is borrowing Bush’s AIR-IN-EVERY-TIRE energy plan doesn’t mean he’s a bad person. Once he’s in the White House I’m sure he’ll come up with something.
Posted by: Time | August 4, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Ehn… Perhaps more phonies will buy into the phony. The One has aired, it must be true, ignoring the fact that it is actually polluted air.
Where do you get electricity, if you also want to have clean air, and you oppose nuclear energy?
Where is the investment for developing solar, wind, corn energy by 10%? $500 billion on top of his 1 trillion spending already?
Tell Zero-bama to use only 1 SUV when he goes some where to air his pollution.
Posted by: fact check | August 4, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
“Belle Star, you can thank Bush for that [presumably "the mortgage mess"].”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
ok
Posted by: Slugg | August 4, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
“I hope America is looking for hard truths about the American future…”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Probably the same people who mocked Jimmy Carter for suggesting an increase in mileage standards for cars.
Yeah, thank Jimmy for all the SUVs on the road. They were built becuase they were not held to the standard.
and air costs 75 cents at most stations here.
Posted by: geevill | August 4, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
@Ien “are these figures the same at scale?”
Figures will only improve for electric vehicles (EV’s) with scale.
For one, power plants are much more efficient in releasing the energy potential of carbon based fuel then internal combustion engines (ICE’s) ever will. (FYI, ICE’s are only 20% effient, 80% of the potential energy is wasted)
With increase in EV’s, demand for oil will drop and prices will drop but electricity will benefit more from that than gaspowered cars will.
When you include solar, wind, wave, and nuclear for that matter, into the mix, the gap between EV’s and ICEV’s will even more tilt in favor of EV’s.
The problem with nuclear are still the same though: it’s a limited resource which we will have depleted fairly soon (investments will be wasted by then), we still don’t know what to do with it’s waste and we will burden thousands of future generations with dealing with it. And that’s not even adressing issues with national security and safety. How will you prevent rogue states from also switching to nuclear when you state nuclear is essential for energy demands? Giving them the fuel and the capacity to upgrade their nuclear fuel to weapons grade nuclear?
Riddle me that. The US is allowed to switch to nuclear energy but NK and Iran are not?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Belle Star, did you vote Republican in the past?
Should we thank you for what you have done to America?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
and air costs 75 cents at most stations here.
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
“Belle Star, did you vote Republican in the past?
Should we thank you for what you have done to America?”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
They point out that Obama not only voted against a ban on so-called partial-birth abortion, a procedure the late Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York once called “too close to infanticide,” but opposed a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion
Posted by: geevill | August 4, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
What the Obama campaign should say in response:
“As we’ve seen from last week’s Paris Hilton and Britney Spears ad and McCains campaign’s contention that they’re ‘just having a little fun’, and as demonstrated by this tire-guage prop, John McCain does not take the economic and energy crisis facing America seriously. It appears he’s running for Comedian-In-Chief instead of Commander-in-Chief. Well, Americans who have to pay four dollars for a gallon of gas are not laughing; they’re hurting. John McCain doesn’t seem to understand this. The choice Americans face this November is not a punch line, its a critical opportunity our country can seize to break the chains of foreign oil.”
(But I guess that’s to be expected from a guy who runs up a $500,000 credit card bill.)
Posted by: ptu | August 4, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
You guys must be afraid of Obama because he looks different and has a funny name.
Forget that he has very liitle experience, spins everything, and won’t take a stand, vote for him out of pity.
Posted by: riley | August 4, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
The problem with both nuclear and fossil fuels is that they both are so heavily subsidized that you cant compare their real costs to other sources.
Posted by: Mike | August 4, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Belle Star wrote:
Checking tire pressure isn’t a particularly pleasant procedure, and requires getting down on the ground — something of which the hothouse politicians are probably quite unaware.
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OMG! How lazy can you be? Seriously, no wonder so many Americans so fat, it’s this type of thinking!
Posted by: MI VOTER | August 4, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
“Forget that he has very liitle experience, spins everything, and won’t take a stand, vote for him out of pity.”
MIKE—–
Did you forget to remember to mention that Rily said in regard to Obama:
“Forget that he has very little experience, spins everything, and won’t take a stand, vote for him out of pity.”
Don’t you feel that the negatives he pointed out are important
Or is that a “spin” you’d rather ignore.. until it’s too late?
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and BH Randon:
How come it was OK for B O to presumptuously place his face and big ears on his re-engineered presidential seal…. but it’s not OK for McCain to carry that a step further and position his head on a hundred dollar bill?
Frankly, I think it was very nice of John to opt for a century bill…..
What sauce for the Gander should be equally saucy for the Goose.
Posted by: just thinking: | August 4, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
My goodness but McCain is turning this election into a freakin’ circus side show full of lies…so much for a respectful campaign, huh
Posted by: tinat | August 4, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
“Belle Star wrote:
Checking tire pressure isn’t a particularly pleasant procedure, and requires getting down on the ground — something of which the hothouse politicians are probably quite unaware.
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OMG! How lazy can you be? Seriously, no wonder so many Americans so fat, it’s this type of thinking!”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Why don’t you point out that Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlie Crist, Joe Lieberman (check his website!) and Nascar happen to agree with Obama?
Posted by: mrspeel2 | August 4, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
So the RNC is handing out tire guages emblazoned with the words “Obama’s Energy Plan”. Here’s the brilliance: the joke is on them. Should anyone use the tire guage to keep their tires properly inflated, that person will come realize that Obama has a point and that it is McCain who is full of hot air.
The RNC and McCain: where the low road turns to a muddy, dirt track, your tires get stuck, and you just can’t find a way back to the highway.
Posted by: SCG | August 4, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Bring back the good ole days. I could fill up Ford Fairlane with $2.00 worth of gas and an attendant would check under the hood of all fluids, clean my windshield and check my tire pressure and wave me off with a smile. Now–well, it certainly is different. And since it has been a few years since a tank of gas cost $2.00, I can not check my tires with a gauge now. And I ain’t fat or lazy.
Posted by: Mary | August 4, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Mary,
Why can’t you check your tire pressure now?
Posted by: SCG | August 4, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Really mrspeel? The all say that inflating your tires will replace ALL of the oil that could be gotten by domestic drilling? I seriously doubt that; those guys aren’t that stupid. Remember, the problem isn’t that Obama wants us to inflate our tires; it’s that he insisted – twice – that doing so would eliminate ANY gains made by domestic drilling. That’s just ignorant.
Did you know that John McCain agreed that keeping our tires properly inflated is something we can all do to conserve gas? But he went on to say that of course we still need to apply the three-prong approach of “Conserve More, Produce More, Invent More” to tackle our energy problems.
McCain – Right for America!
Posted by: marylou | August 4, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Remember, the problem [is] that [Obama] insisted – twice – that doing so would eliminate ANY gains made by domestic drilling. That’s just ignorant.
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
interesting. 800,000 barrels of oil a day? that’s how much ANWR is alleged to be able to pump out *at it’s peak*.
the right, eager to miss the point, has just demonstrated the great weakness in their idea that we can “drill our way out of this mess”; if we can save the equivilent of one ANWR merely by keeping our tires properly inflated, then domestic drilling isn’t exactly gonna do anything at all in the long run, is it?
Posted by: chopper | August 4, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
McCain to America: We let the Obama out of Afghansitan, the value out of the dollar, the jobs out of America. Now let us let the air out of your tires.
Posted by: Ricky | August 4, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
McCain: “there he goes again, accusing me of making fun of his name.”
Posted by: Ricky | August 4, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
McCain: Taking the Straight Talk to America only half full.
Posted by: Ricky | August 4, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Bet those gauges the Republicans are handing out were not made in America.
Posted by: Ricky | August 4, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
“Bet those gauges the Republicans are handing out were not made in America.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
On a very serious note; does anyone remember “Vote for Micky Mouse?” I do. Not a bad idea. I have never been so concerned for the USA as I am now. We should start all over and find new candidates to run for the Presidency. When Obama speaks I literally hear bla, bla, bla, bla, bla. My ears are hurting from the same chatter over and over. Honestly, I don’t know what to think of McCain, is he the lesser of the two evils? Maybe! GOD HELP US!!!!
Posted by: Jeanette Nance | August 4, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Belle Star is painting a quite bleak picture of the conditions the ‘unrich’ have to live in these days.
I couldn’t agree with you more Belle Star, the situation for everybody not belonging to the top 10% is dismal.
Back in the 90′s, under a Democrat President, the income of regular folks increased by $6000,- and businesses were thriving as never before.
Since then, income for regular folks have fallen $1000,-, due to inflation, and businesses are in a real mess.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 4, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
It isn’t “reasonably achievable” or “assuming responsibility” to keep your tires inflated? What a country we’ve become.
Posted by: Chaos | August 4, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
ChrisNBama wrote:
There’s isn’t a short term solution to the energy crisis we’re in. Additional drilling is not a short term fix. We will not reap dividends for that for another 7-10 years.
In the meantime, conservation is the answer until adequate green technologies come on line.
Anyone who’s saying additional drilling is a “short term fix” is lying. Period.
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You are sorely mistaken. Any signal to the markets that we would dramatically increase domestic oil production would make the price drop like a rock. “Green technologies” will never be adequate to meet America’s energy demands. And my brother, who designs oil platforms, would laugh at anyone who suggested it would take 7-10 year to extract oil from the OCS. It’s more like two years.
Anyone who’s saying additional drilling is NOT a “short-term fix” is lying. Period.
Posted by: John | August 4, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Well, I guess his poll numbers are worrying him. He is turning in his tire gauge, and is “open” to off shore drilling. Everyday, this guy shows us what a typical politician he is, even though he continues to hand out the kool aid, saying he is not. While Hillary, the one he painted as “the one who would do anything to get elected”, shows us she is the heart and conscience of the american people. Guess that explains why the PUMA movement and The Denver Group continue to grow.
Posted by: rrow | August 4, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
“the situation for everybody not belonging to the top 10% is dismal.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Anyone who read Exxon’s quarterly report would not be calling for more drilling. They readily admit they are not drilling at capacity. Even if they wanted to drill the offshore sites in question, the amount of oil added to the market in 10 years will be dwarfed by the demand expected to be coming out of China and India. In short, another dumb idea proposed by Republicans because it sounds good, and they can trick their gullible voters into believing it is “common sense.”
That Republicans would mock Obama’s real common sense solutions, one of which would save 800,000 barrels a day at no cost, is evidence of their pettiness, immaturity, and lack of ideas. Republicans: great at campaigning, terrible at governing.
Posted by: Bill | August 4, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
“Riddle me that. The US is allowed to switch to nuclear energy but NK and Iran are not?”
We already have the bombs. And if you think playing fair is how the world stays secure, there is a place in the SF Haight museum for you. If society was a purely we all just get along kind of place, we wouldn’t need governments. Since we’ve had them as long as we’ve had organized society, the case is clear.
Scale is affordability. Is the case for the EV the same as the cost of electrical consumption climbs?
I’m not saying it’s a bad idea. I’m looking at Obama’s projected timelines and investments and they seem to be timed to ensure a second term not results beyond personal responsibility.
“MI and FL moved ahead of dates in direct violation of the party rules. THEY did it to themselves”
That’s not the point. The point is Obama is being the world’s biggest hypocrite after the Saturday DNC Massacree. Clinton won in popular votes. The jiggered those states to push Obama over the top. Now he wants to rejigger them to beat McCain.
The man has no experience, no scruples, and no chance. America is going to send him back to Chicago with his phony seal, his phony deals, and no wheels.
Posted by: len | August 4, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
“It isn’t “reasonably achievable” or “assuming responsibility” to keep your tires inflated?”
Quoting out of context? The mail said that is exactly personal responsibility. The quote was aimed at the problem of the national situation with respect to reducing dependence while simultaneouly reducing emissions. We have to do both because otherwise we reduce usage while simultaneously paying India and China to do the same. In effect, we put the strap to the backs of the Americans.
I don’t think once they realize that, they’ll be too happy about it. If we want to reduce emissions AND dependence, we have to reduce consumption and that means alternative energy sources with lower carbon footprints. We’ve no choice but to solve the hard problems at the national scale. So I’m looking for ‘reasonable means’ from the government. Right now, nuclear is the first best option followed by the investments in alternative fuels. We know the hybrids and the EVs work. The trick is to make them affordable.
But cars aren’t our only problem.
What do we about the very big very electicity hungry server farms that make the web possible? Metered usage?
No free lunch.
Posted by: len | August 4, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
oh yeah, and:
if everyone kept their tires properly inflated, by 2032 we’d have saved about 7 billion barrels of oil (800,000*365*24). which is about as much oil as is technically recoverable in all of the part of ANWR that the GOP wants so bad to drill into, whose output would peak around 2030 or so.
Posted by: chopper | August 4, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
if everyone kept their tires properly inflated, by 2032 we’d have saved about 7 billion barrels of oil …
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 4, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
The same poltical hacks who told us that all we had to do after 9/11 was go shopping is now deriding the idea that we can take individual action to increase fuel efficiency. The frat boys have moved from the perpetual Bush/Rove campaign over to McSame’s hdqs.
The air pressure recommendation comes from the U.S. Energy Dept. and the EPA. It’s also been suggested by NASCAR and the Rebublican
Governors of California and Florida.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | August 4, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
just thinking,
I still maintain that riley is not a racist for saying that someone looks different and has a funny name. Get it? Riley is NOT a racist. NOT. A. RACIST. Okay?
Riley is not a racist.
Posted by: Mike | August 4, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
well Bill.
“Even if they wanted to drill the offshore sites in question, the amount of oil added to the market in 10 years will be dwarfed by the demand expected to be coming out of China and India”
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Don’t be so pessimistic!
What if we drilled… kept the work on this side of the globe….. and then… KEPT THE OIL ON THIS SIDE OF THE GLOBE?
There’s usually more than one workable scenario for a solution…. but the hardest part is GETTING STARTED!!!!!
In the meantime, we could keep our tires inflated and our engines A-plus rated…… but we need to start drilling not only for OIL but for GAS as well.
And look to Japan to see some of the fantastic ideas they’ve come up with to beat the energy crunch!
And incentives like McCain’s for the battery of the future…. is another fine idea!
Posted by: just thinking: | August 4, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
bhrandom:
Come Come!
“what are you even talking about
mccain put obamas face on a dollar bill, mccain has interjected race into the election, he does it and then when obama responds, he claims it was obama”
It WAS Obama who started it!
He plastered his face and ears over his presumptuously re-designed Presidential Seal.
But when McCain carried the joke further… and put his face on a HUNDRED dollar bill…. Obama cries RACISM!
Frankly, I think it was very kind of McCain to portray Obama on the face of a C-Note; I would not have been so generous.
CLINTON OR MCCAIN
BUT ALWAYS
COUNTRY OVER BROKEN DOWN DNC WITH IT’S PLETHORA OF WHINERS AND SERIOUS LACK OF A SENSE OF HUMOR!
Posted by: hmmmmmmm.. | August 4, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Love it! Wish they would sell them – I would buy one for sure!
Posted by: Beckie | August 4, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
The air pressure recommendation comes from the U.S. Energy Dept. and the EPA. It’s also been suggested by NASCAR and the Rebublican
Governors of California and Florida.
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I think you’re missing the CONTEXT here. Of course everyone admits that properly inflating your tires is a good idea. But to make it part of a plan to break our dependence on foreign oil is utter nonsense – and justifiably scorned.
Posted by: John | August 4, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Republicans don’t want to see oil go down. They would rather see mainstream America suffer than see their oil profits go down on their investments. They fight alternative energy sources. mccain has repeatedly tried to kill the manufacture of ethanol. I guess he doesn’t like farmers either. ethanol.com
Posted by: con me not | August 4, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
Obama has enough “hot air” to fill every tire in America.
Posted by: Bea | August 4, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
Con me not, are you aware of the latest tests that show ethanol gives off basically the same amount of carbon dioxide as gasoline? Furthermore, the EPA has admitted that ethanol produces MORE hydrocarbons, oxides of nitgrogen, and ozone than regular gasoline. So much for emitting fewer greenhouse emissions.
But there are other negatives regarding ethanol:
1. The corrosive properties of ethanol reduce mileage and horsepower;
2. The promotion of ethanol has caused the price of corn to skyrocket world wide (a real pinch for the poor who rely on corn);
3. Ethanol is more expensive to produce and furnishes fewer miles per gallon;
4. Ethanol takes more energy to grow the corn and distilling the corn than you can get from burning the fuel;
5. Ethanol requires between 3.5 and 6 gallons of water to produce one gallon of ethanol;
5. Brazil is further depleting its rainforest in order to produce ethanol.
Wow! Sounds like a real winner to me…NOT!
Posted by: James Danley | August 4, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
“Keep in mind, we are only 5% of the world population, but we consume 25% of the oil. Does that sound right to you?”
This statement galls me to no end! Yeah we may use 25% of oil but we supply ALL OF THE ASSISTANCE to anyone who is in need. We are the LEADING nation in disaster assistance as well as other humanitarian concerns. We are the leading supplier of food and other resources throughout the world. We seem to be defending every half wit dictator around the world. We never say no when someone asks us for help. WE supply most of not all of the technology to these other countries to get their dang oil out of the ground in the first place. HELL they should be GIVING US OIL for God’s sake just out of gratitude! But what do we get from our so called leaders? AMERICA SUCKS! Well I do not believe AMERICA SUCKS! In fact if AMERICA would stop doing what AMERICA does best the rest of the world would fade into oblivion IMO!
Posted by: Allen Scott | August 5, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am
I think you’re missing the CONTEXT here. Of course everyone admits that properly inflating your tires is a good idea. But to make it part of a plan to break our dependence on foreign oil is utter nonsense – and justifiably scorned.
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John, why not. After all, inflating tires gets us as much ‘mileage’ as McCains oil leases. So if inflating tires is utter nonsense, offshore oil drilling is so insignificant that it is nonsense as well. That was Obama’s original point. Its even worse, since giving oil companies offshore leases in no way insures actual drilling, as we all know.
Obama’s scornful dismissal of McCain’s plan by comparing it to inflating tires is pretty much on the mark.
Posted by: Mike | August 5, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
John, why not. After all, inflating tires gets us as much ‘mileage’ as McCains oil leases. So if inflating tires is utter nonsense, offshore oil drilling is so insignificant that it is nonsense as well. That was Obama’s original point. Its even worse, since giving oil companies offshore leases in no way insures actual drilling, as we all know.
Obama’s scornful dismissal of McCain’s plan by comparing it to inflating tires is pretty much on the mark.
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First of all, inflating tires WON’T save the amount of oil that could be extracted from the OCS (please read Jake’s post above that indicates Obama’s “original point” is wrong). Second, is the government going to mandate tire inflation standards and then be able to make sure everyone complies? That is totally unrealistic. Third, you’re saying the government shouldn’t grant oil leases because the oil companies might not drill there anyway. That is absurd.
Posted by: John | August 5, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm