Obama is making progress with Evangelical voters. It’s a known fact that Obama won’t win a majority but if Obama can cut into McCains lead as a Republican stated last night it can be “disastrous” for McCain.
As of right now McCain leads Obama amongst Evangelicals 58-24
Bush won the Evangelical vote 78-21
With much undecided Evangelical voters I’m guessing their leaning Obama but aren’t at ease with his social policies.
McCain is under performing by 20% points.
Obama’s lead amongst Hispanics can also be a deal breaker. Bush came with 7 points in 2004. Obama is leading by 30+
What I find ironic the most was Obama and McCain were battleing over conservative voters. Shouldn’t McCain have his base intact already?
Posted by: Vanessa | August 17, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Jake, you are one of the few segments of mainstream media that is still maintaining fair jounrnalistic reporting…keep it going
Posted by: VPSteak | August 17, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Vanessa,
Your numbers are right on the money, but there are intangibles that can’t be easily measured. Evangelical ideology, and most people of faith in general, will not vote for a candidate who supports abortion. Taxes, affirmative action, environment, the economy, are all negotiable issues, but abortion has been the Achilles heel of the Democrat party for years. Clinton and Carter were exceptions who faced vulnerable opponents. McCain seems to be getting stronger with each passing day.
Posted by: independent | August 17, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
It’s fairly disgusting, and ought to be illegal, that these guys are so desperate for air time they’ll mix “religion” — LUGAR’s taken over for Reverend Wright in The CHANGEling’s pantheon of older men? — with political campaigning.
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 17, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Vanessa,
Remember that Republican Attack Machine we warned you about during the primary. They are just beginning to flex their muscles. Come November Obama will not be one evangelical standing with Obama’s team. Unfortunately, R’s wrote the book when it comes to mass media manipulation. Bush’s former right hand man is busily calculating the plays, whether he is asked to or not, and strategically misleading the Obama team down the wrong hallways with future misplays. It’ll be the last two weeks that sink him. Too bad.
REALITY CHECK.
==============
Americans vote for a president with
certain values……..
Americans vote for a president who
declares low taxes,less government,
cut government spending,strong on
defense and foreign policy.
Country first……John McCain.
Posted by: ROBERT | August 17, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
independent,
McCain may win the evangelical vote by a large margin but it’s the turnout that counts. Some simply don’t trust him and would rather stay home. Same as the African American vote. Democrats always get the AA vote by a large margin. The difference this year is turnout, which is why Obama is competitive in North Carolina and is aiming for South Carolina.
McCain needs the Evangelical vote by a margin of 50 points not just 30. If Obama can chip away at this lead Obama wins easily.
Also. Amongst religious voters Obama leads by 8% (including Christian, Catholics, Jews, Evangelicals, Islam etc)
Bush won the religious vote by 2 in 2004 and by 1 in 2000. Obama is leading by 8.
I would say the same if McCain and Obama were battling over liberal voters.
Just like David Gurgen said on CNN, Vote McCain for more wars and killing as he tries to “defeat” evil. Vote Obama for diplomacy while “Confronting” evil.
I’ll go with diplomacy.
How come McCain opposes abortion? Talk about a hypocrite. And he call’s himself pro-life.
How much does McCain Pander? All the supreme court justices he said he would not nominate, he voted to APPROVE their nominations.
Taxes? McCain skated the question and would not answer what amount of income makes a person “rich”. While Obama explained it to the exact dollar amount.
Wait, McCain said you’re not rich unless you’re making FIVE MILLION a year. You can see how he would protect all his rich friends and corporate America.
All McCain does is live in the past and tell his boring stories. I don’t want to hear stories, I want to hear what you’re going to do and HOW you’re going to do it. Obama explains what he’s going to do and how.
McCain is dangerous. If he wins, America and the world lose.
Vanessa: “Obama is making progress with Evangelical voters. ..McCain is under performing by 20% points”
Not after last night.
Obama’s moral relevance on every topic is laughable. He is the equivalent of a clever college freshman.
Couldn’t agree with NotAFool (below). Can’t believe ABC has ran the moral failure (first marriage) on morning TV as much as it has. I guess that’s the only negative they perceive McCain came out with last night. Obama is polling in the mid 20′s with this Evangelical group (as Kerry did, Bill was in the 30′s). Obama is just trying to stomp out the Muslim/Rev. Wright cloud that will hang above his head, with the Religious Right until Nov. 4.
McCAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE WH!!!!!
You won the night John Sydney McCain!
If I were a McCain supporter I would worry if he can’t court social conservatives. He is under performing by 20 points amongst Evangelicals and by 10 amongst “people of faith”.
These are the core bases of the Repuublican base. Obama is leading. LEADING by 8 amongst people of faith. Bush won this vote by 2 in 2004.
I’m an Obama supporter and if he had to court liberals in forums I would worry.
Vanessa: “If McCain can’t rally his base how does he expect to win the election?”
McCain is probably ahead by 10 points now. If the MSM has it even, you can be assured he is up by at least 5.
The lead will decrease during the Dem Convention, while the press adores Obama and he gets to speak exclusively with the teleprompter.
Then it will go back to about 10 point. It will probably be a landslide for McCain in November. Imagine if the Repubs had actually nominated a good candidate.
I’m still trying to process the shocking, and insensitive comment Obama made about abortion/baby’s rights being “above his pay grade”.
That comment with the one about teenagers being “punished” by having a child and his radical voting record on abortion and you really begin to wonder what kind of person Obama is.
His other answers last night reminded me of those given at a beauty pageant.
Hope and Change and I want world peace….nothing specific.
notafool,
The humor the humor haha. You’re just like McCain, “confused”. Have you viewed the electoral map. Obama leads 317 to McCain 221. Yes it is. It’s an Obama landslide.
I know. You’re starting to rethink McCains performance yesterday. The facts doesn’t change. He should have a 50+ lead amongst evangelicals and he only 30 point leads.
If I were a McCain supporter I would worry too.
Vanessa: I’m not worried. This country won’t be fooled.
Write this down. McCain will win by 10 points at least. Imagine what it would be if we had a good candidate to oppose the fairy tale.
How many of the McCain supporters writing here are willing to join the military – or send their husbands/sons to join?
The military is hopelessly broken – we are a paper tiger and John McCain doesn’t get it
He lives in a prism of war – he was a “c” student (sound familiar?) with a successful father and grandfather (another coincidence?) who found himself in the military
That is all he knows and that is all he sees -
We cannot fight three and four wars at the same time–
McCain did not help the Georgian crisis last week he inflamed it
He may look into Putin’s eyes and see K-G-B — but I look into McCain’s eyes and see nothing but an old warrior who looks backwards – who is past his prime and not the man to lead this country back to health and to respect in this world
Wake up people – the USA is not the powerhouse we were an we need to get back to a position of moral and military superiority do when we talk – we are listened to –
We are in debt to China
We have not soldiers to send anywhere
We are in two wars
and the environment and energy crisis is spiraling out of control
Is John McCain a man of vision?
puh leese
While the forum was useful, and the questions were generally good, it also showed the value of a head-to-head debate. Many of the assertions by both candidates went uncontested, when many (particularly from McCain, in my view) needed clarification at the very least, and in the case of McCain, were logically inconsistent or didn’t add up mathematically.
For example, McCain at various points promised to lower taxes, reduce spending, continue the Iraq War, promote energy exploration, and finally, to defeat evil wherever it exists. All of these points received raucous applause from the crowd. Of course, Obama was not there to point out the obvious difficulty if not inconsistency in simultaneously achieving all these otherwise laudable goals, and Warren had made the decision to not overly inject himself into the proceedings.
Another example is when McCain declared categorically that full human rights begins at conception, but then later advocated embryonic stem cell research. He was somewhat circumspect about the latter, but that is logically inconsistent with his brashness in stating the former.
Posted by: Gene L | August 17, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
Actually, as I recall it was Obama who with his final chance to speak, declared that real accomplishment requires sacrifice, and that achieving energy dependence would likely require some short term sacrifice before realizing dividends down the road.
It was McCain who spouted simplistic standard Republican platitudes (a few of which I noted in a previous comment) without giving any details.
Another example — McCain claims to support alternative energy, but in actuality has refused to vote for renewal of tax credits for solar and wind. These have not passed due to resistance by Republicans who have been lobbied by big oil.
Posted by: Gene L | August 18, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
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Obama is making progress with Evangelical voters. It’s a known fact that Obama won’t win a majority but if Obama can cut into McCains lead as a Republican stated last night it can be “disastrous” for McCain.
As of right now McCain leads Obama amongst Evangelicals 58-24
Bush won the Evangelical vote 78-21
With much undecided Evangelical voters I’m guessing their leaning Obama but aren’t at ease with his social policies.
McCain is under performing by 20% points.
Obama’s lead amongst Hispanics can also be a deal breaker. Bush came with 7 points in 2004. Obama is leading by 30+
What I find ironic the most was Obama and McCain were battleing over conservative voters. Shouldn’t McCain have his base intact already?
Posted by: Vanessa | August 17, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Jake, you are one of the few segments of mainstream media that is still maintaining fair jounrnalistic reporting…keep it going
Posted by: VPSteak | August 17, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Vanessa,
Your numbers are right on the money, but there are intangibles that can’t be easily measured. Evangelical ideology, and most people of faith in general, will not vote for a candidate who supports abortion. Taxes, affirmative action, environment, the economy, are all negotiable issues, but abortion has been the Achilles heel of the Democrat party for years. Clinton and Carter were exceptions who faced vulnerable opponents. McCain seems to be getting stronger with each passing day.
Posted by: independent | August 17, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
It’s fairly disgusting, and ought to be illegal, that these guys are so desperate for air time they’ll mix “religion” — LUGAR’s taken over for Reverend Wright in The CHANGEling’s pantheon of older men? — with political campaigning.
Posted by: Belle Starr | August 17, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Vanessa,
Remember that Republican Attack Machine we warned you about during the primary. They are just beginning to flex their muscles. Come November Obama will not be one evangelical standing with Obama’s team. Unfortunately, R’s wrote the book when it comes to mass media manipulation. Bush’s former right hand man is busily calculating the plays, whether he is asked to or not, and strategically misleading the Obama team down the wrong hallways with future misplays. It’ll be the last two weeks that sink him. Too bad.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | August 17, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
REALITY CHECK.
==============
Americans vote for a president with
certain values……..
Americans vote for a president who
declares low taxes,less government,
cut government spending,strong on
defense and foreign policy.
Country first……John McCain.
Posted by: ROBERT | August 17, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
independent,
McCain may win the evangelical vote by a large margin but it’s the turnout that counts. Some simply don’t trust him and would rather stay home. Same as the African American vote. Democrats always get the AA vote by a large margin. The difference this year is turnout, which is why Obama is competitive in North Carolina and is aiming for South Carolina.
McCain needs the Evangelical vote by a margin of 50 points not just 30. If Obama can chip away at this lead Obama wins easily.
Also. Amongst religious voters Obama leads by 8% (including Christian, Catholics, Jews, Evangelicals, Islam etc)
Bush won the religious vote by 2 in 2004 and by 1 in 2000. Obama is leading by 8.
I would say the same if McCain and Obama were battling over liberal voters.
Posted by: Vanessa | August 17, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Just like David Gurgen said on CNN, Vote McCain for more wars and killing as he tries to “defeat” evil. Vote Obama for diplomacy while “Confronting” evil.
I’ll go with diplomacy.
How come McCain opposes abortion? Talk about a hypocrite. And he call’s himself pro-life.
How much does McCain Pander? All the supreme court justices he said he would not nominate, he voted to APPROVE their nominations.
Taxes? McCain skated the question and would not answer what amount of income makes a person “rich”. While Obama explained it to the exact dollar amount.
Wait, McCain said you’re not rich unless you’re making FIVE MILLION a year. You can see how he would protect all his rich friends and corporate America.
All McCain does is live in the past and tell his boring stories. I don’t want to hear stories, I want to hear what you’re going to do and HOW you’re going to do it. Obama explains what he’s going to do and how.
McCain is dangerous. If he wins, America and the world lose.
Posted by: BarackStar | August 17, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Vanessa: “Obama is making progress with Evangelical voters. ..McCain is under performing by 20% points”
Not after last night.
Obama’s moral relevance on every topic is laughable. He is the equivalent of a clever college freshman.
Posted by: notafool | August 17, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Couldn’t agree with NotAFool (below). Can’t believe ABC has ran the moral failure (first marriage) on morning TV as much as it has. I guess that’s the only negative they perceive McCain came out with last night. Obama is polling in the mid 20′s with this Evangelical group (as Kerry did, Bill was in the 30′s). Obama is just trying to stomp out the Muslim/Rev. Wright cloud that will hang above his head, with the Religious Right until Nov. 4.
McCAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE WH!!!!!
You won the night John Sydney McCain!
Posted by: Debra | August 17, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
If I were a McCain supporter I would worry if he can’t court social conservatives. He is under performing by 20 points amongst Evangelicals and by 10 amongst “people of faith”.
These are the core bases of the Repuublican base. Obama is leading. LEADING by 8 amongst people of faith. Bush won this vote by 2 in 2004.
I’m an Obama supporter and if he had to court liberals in forums I would worry.
Posted by: Vanessa | August 17, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
The truth hurts. If McCain can’t rally his base how does he expect to win the election?
Posted by: Vanessa | August 17, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Vanessa: “If McCain can’t rally his base how does he expect to win the election?”
McCain is probably ahead by 10 points now. If the MSM has it even, you can be assured he is up by at least 5.
The lead will decrease during the Dem Convention, while the press adores Obama and he gets to speak exclusively with the teleprompter.
Then it will go back to about 10 point. It will probably be a landslide for McCain in November. Imagine if the Repubs had actually nominated a good candidate.
Posted by: notafool | August 17, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
I’m still trying to process the shocking, and insensitive comment Obama made about abortion/baby’s rights being “above his pay grade”.
That comment with the one about teenagers being “punished” by having a child and his radical voting record on abortion and you really begin to wonder what kind of person Obama is.
His other answers last night reminded me of those given at a beauty pageant.
Hope and Change and I want world peace….nothing specific.
Posted by: riley | August 17, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
notafool,
The humor the humor haha. You’re just like McCain, “confused”. Have you viewed the electoral map. Obama leads 317 to McCain 221. Yes it is. It’s an Obama landslide.
I know. You’re starting to rethink McCains performance yesterday. The facts doesn’t change. He should have a 50+ lead amongst evangelicals and he only 30 point leads.
If I were a McCain supporter I would worry too.
Posted by: Vanessa | August 17, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Vanessa: I’m not worried. This country won’t be fooled.
Write this down. McCain will win by 10 points at least. Imagine what it would be if we had a good candidate to oppose the fairy tale.
Posted by: notafool | August 17, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
How many of the McCain supporters writing here are willing to join the military – or send their husbands/sons to join?
The military is hopelessly broken – we are a paper tiger and John McCain doesn’t get it
He lives in a prism of war – he was a “c” student (sound familiar?) with a successful father and grandfather (another coincidence?) who found himself in the military
That is all he knows and that is all he sees -
We cannot fight three and four wars at the same time–
McCain did not help the Georgian crisis last week he inflamed it
He may look into Putin’s eyes and see K-G-B — but I look into McCain’s eyes and see nothing but an old warrior who looks backwards – who is past his prime and not the man to lead this country back to health and to respect in this world
Wake up people – the USA is not the powerhouse we were an we need to get back to a position of moral and military superiority do when we talk – we are listened to –
We are in debt to China
We have not soldiers to send anywhere
We are in two wars
and the environment and energy crisis is spiraling out of control
Is John McCain a man of vision?
puh leese
Posted by: alison | August 17, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
While the forum was useful, and the questions were generally good, it also showed the value of a head-to-head debate. Many of the assertions by both candidates went uncontested, when many (particularly from McCain, in my view) needed clarification at the very least, and in the case of McCain, were logically inconsistent or didn’t add up mathematically.
For example, McCain at various points promised to lower taxes, reduce spending, continue the Iraq War, promote energy exploration, and finally, to defeat evil wherever it exists. All of these points received raucous applause from the crowd. Of course, Obama was not there to point out the obvious difficulty if not inconsistency in simultaneously achieving all these otherwise laudable goals, and Warren had made the decision to not overly inject himself into the proceedings.
Another example is when McCain declared categorically that full human rights begins at conception, but then later advocated embryonic stem cell research. He was somewhat circumspect about the latter, but that is logically inconsistent with his brashness in stating the former.
Posted by: Gene L | August 17, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
Actually, as I recall it was Obama who with his final chance to speak, declared that real accomplishment requires sacrifice, and that achieving energy dependence would likely require some short term sacrifice before realizing dividends down the road.
It was McCain who spouted simplistic standard Republican platitudes (a few of which I noted in a previous comment) without giving any details.
Another example — McCain claims to support alternative energy, but in actuality has refused to vote for renewal of tax credits for solar and wind. These have not passed due to resistance by Republicans who have been lobbied by big oil.
Posted by: Gene L | August 18, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am