Shrum On Clinton Memos: An “Ugly” “Appeal to Stereotypes”

Al from NJ – you’re absolutely right. I’m one of those “quiet” Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain. I don’t belong to PUMA or any other organization. I just vote – in every single election. And I’m NEVER voting for Obama or for anyone who endorsed him.

A deciding factor for me was the Russian invasion of Georgia. The Cold War has started again (if it ever ended). I want a politician who is well versed in Cold War era politics. Putin will bait Obama the same way he did the smart Ivy League educated President of Georgia. This is no time for on-the-job training. If Obama is ready in 4 years or 8 years, I’ll vote for him then. At this point, I have to vote for the candidate who is most capable of dealing with the Russians. That candidate is NOT Obama. Does he even know what the Cold War is?

As usual Shrum has his facts wrong, Obama did attack Hillary, how soon he forgets the “Harry&Louise” flyers the perfect Obama sent out. Shrum is an idiot, just ask Pres. Gore or Pres. Kerry.

So now Bob Shrum is continuing the attack on the Clintons. Amazing. He doesn’t complain about Obama and his surrogates painting the Clintons as racists, does he? He doesn’t have word one to say about Obama claiming McCain and the Republicans ARE GOING TO use racsism against him, does he? Unbelievable! The more I see of Obama and the more the Democratic bigwigs defend him, the sicker I get. I’ve voted in every single election since the early 1950s, and I’ve NEVER voted for a Republican. Now I will vote not only AGAINST Obama but AGAINST every single Democrat who endored him.

Hey Al, I feel your pain brother but NJ will once again be in the blue. If you pack up quiclky you may be able to make a difference in PA. Good luck buddy.

Remember in regard to georgia…this all even more convoluted because mccain has his lead foreign policy advisor a lobbyist for that screwed up georgia government and
Mccain’s policies rendering us inept now to be able to ask for a country whosays they are defending themselves to withdraw from occupation.
oy Mccain (and his lobbyists advisors) is very bad for this country.

Let’s give Clinton some credit for not following Mark Penn’s awful advice. Why don’t you focus on why the Obama campaign didn’t stand up and defend Bill and Hillary Clinton against racists charges. That’s the real story.

We didn’t need Hillary’s campaign to tell us Obama is a dirty politician,and out of touch with most Americans.
He did a great job of that himself by calling rural Americans bitter and by attending a racist, anti-American church for 20 years.
The Obama camp is delusional to claim they ran a clean campaign. To name a few dirty tactics: playing the race card for sympathy votes, using sexism and ageism, cyber bullying, and intimidation.

Bob Shrum is one of the most respected people in business. When he speaks we listen. I enjoy seeing him on the sunday talk shows. Thanks for the article Jake.

Shots were not fired in the Cold War, nor did anybody engage nuclear weapons. Somebody who has Cold War experience? Certainly not the Republicans, GW Bush nor McCain. They would march headfirst into combat and leave diplomacy under the rug.
Cold War tendencies include Obama and we will be better for it.

Wow. Anyone who votes for McSame out of spite for Obama deserves exactly what they get. Unfortunately you gladly would drag the rest of us down with you just to achieve your shortsighted sense of justice. Do everyone a favor and just sit this one out before you make the situation even worse.

My problem with Barack Obama is the fact that as president, he will name at least one and probably two Supreme Court justices. As much as I’d like to see abortion kept legal, I have a bigger concern. McCain promises to appoint judges who will decide cases based on the constitution and laws are they are written. Obama has said that he wants judges who are “more sympathetic” to people. To what people? Obama claims he does not favor affirmative action based on race or ethnicity. However, when Ward Connerly, a conservative black man in Michigan, tried to get laws passed to end affirmative action a couple of years ago, Obama taped radio ads opposing him and arguing for affirmative action. Obama also avoids the topic of reparations. However, his radical black church calls for reparations, and I believe Obama agrees with that position. Otherwise, why would he consistently avoid the subject when asked? As Rush Limbaugh says, people who support reparations want to take money from people who never owned slaves, and give it to people who never were slaves. For this reason, above all, I am voting Republican for the very first time in my life, not only for President but for every other office on the ballot. As a Democrat, I do not want to see my own party in power. The Democrats are unable to win a national election without the overwhelming support of the black community. If it takes more affirmative action, reparations, etc. to keep the black community onboard, the Democrats will do it, regardless of its effect on other groups. I am afraid I am done with the Democratic Party.

Many prior people who posted to this thread seem to not have read the same column I have.
Hillary Clinton ran a bad campaign, quite frankly, and had absolutely no control of her surrogates, while Obama ran a tightly disciplined primary race. That and her out-of-step stance on the Iraq war proved to be the deciding factor.
The extreme arrogance of Team Clinton lead to its undoing, but this is not surprising if one examines the cockiness of Clinton’s successful 1992 campaign. Watch the film “The War Room” for the fullest realization.
It’s been darkly amusing to see the Clintons cry foul in the same manner as the people they replaced sixteen years ago. Many comments on this thread are motivated by sour grapes and resorting to self-righteous hyperbole.

DEMS! DON’T YOU RECOGNIZE THESES ARE REPULICANS POSING AS DEMS AND INDEPENDNETS? DON’T BE FOOLED. DEVIDE AND CONCUR WON’T WORK THIS TIME AROUND BUSH-HEADS! YOU HAD YOUR TURN AND YOU SCREWED UP THE COUNTRY. LIKE OR NOT, DEMS WILL PREVAIL IN THE FALL.

Reporting from the platform writing committee: the pro-choice plank is a strong as ever (in line with Obama, and unlike McCain). GLBT language is as strong as ever, plus inclusion of “gender identity” (in line with Obama, and unlike McCain). Universal Health Care language is in there as a goal (compatible with Obama, though he doesn’t go quite that far at this point, and–again–unlike McCain).
The idea that you have to have lived the last 70-some years of history to understand it makes no sense. A good president has to understand a couple of thousand years of human political interaction. So, do we want the guy who consistently came in last in his class (McCain) and did well in politics as a “man with money by marriage” or do we want the guy who exceeded all expectations in school and launched himself in politics by reading people astutely and working well with them?
We have never been totally removed from terrorism or the cold war, we just chose, instead, to focus on playing to America’s strengths. How about we do that again, regardless of whether or not we personally like Obama? He’s better trained, smarter, more mature and more morally grounded than most of the presidents in the last 3 decades.

New stories out of old crap.

Deciding Factor: I dont understand what your point is. You want to elect a president of the USA based on the strategy in Eastern Europe! Do you even read the news everyday. All the negatives happening here at home, you actually think voting for a president who promises to continue war in Iraq (A pointless war to begin with) is going to help. Look what happened when America chose GWBush for the second term just because no war time president was ever dethroned. Considering International strategies is only a part of the reason why you should choose your president, it should not be the entire reason. Bullying other nations or poking our noses into everybody’s business does not make friends and doesn’t profit anybody but the war mongers. I woulld’ve liked to see a better candidate than Obama, probably Ron Paul. But of the current lot, I am glad Obama won in the primaries and that he holds the advantage in the current polls, however minor it may be.

As Obama continues to sink in the polls, and loses support for his shameless backing of George Bush’s FISA bill, the Bush-Cheney energy bill, and his increasingly pro-war stance, the left desert him.
Not only the left however, but also those middle of the road Obama supporters (and super delegates and pledged delegates) who like both Obama and Hillary, but during the primary season had a slightly higher preference for Obama. Now that it is increasingly evident that Obama cannot win a general election (evidenced by Hillary’s base who won’t vote for him, and that 48% of Americans are already sick of hearing about him, and his winning of States in the primaries that no matter how it is hyped by the Obama people will never go blue in November)those delegates, at least 20% will defect to Hillary on the floor of the convention. Despite what the media continues to say, that there is no way Hillary can win, millions of Hillary supporter, yes millions, know that she has a 50% chance of winning the nomination at the convention.
Remember, not all Obama delegates and supporters are true believers. Many had a slight preference for Obama but would vote for Hillary when she wins the nomination. Hillary’s base on the flip side of the coin is way more solid, and she has way less erosion from her support base than Obama does.
This is why Mr. Shrum smears Hillary in the press, who it must be noted has every right to enter her name into nomination, and has been doing everything the right way, campaigning and supporting Obama publicly. Mr. Shrum knows that Hillary is a way more popular choice for the nomination among the real base of the party.

Can we afford another Republican Administration? Need I say more? Think people, who got us in our present situation? Rising inflation, dollar losing value, high oil prices and wars for the next 100 years damn Americans wake up. You can’t expect the party that got us in this mess to get us out.

Someone managed to bring up Rev. Wright in one of these posts. Old news. That horse has been beaten to death. You will not get one more GOP vote with Rev. Wright. You won’t get one more pro-Hillary supporter to stay home or vote McCain off pushing Rev. Wright. You won’t get one more independent vote that you don’t already have.
If that’s all you have at this late stage…Obama will be president. Get something new and REAL to use.
You can’t paint Obama as anti-White, when he is half White. He would have to hate his mother, the grandparents who raised him, himself, and his children. White blood runs in and out of his veins all day long.
The reason some of you can’t get over Rev. Wright is because you look at Obama and only see what appears to be just another Black guy. His physical appearance lulls some of you into falling for stereotyping him as some kind of Black militant, so you go for the he’s anti-White and, therefore, anti-American rhetoric. Let the Wright issue rest in peace. It’s a done deal as far as votes. Anyone who wants to vote against Obama due to Wright has already decided to do so! Let it go!

The real shame is people are going on emotion and not on the facts on hand. So just because Obama is the candidate and Hilary isn’t, you won’t vote for Obama.
Shum has simply stated the obvious. It is no secret that Hilary’s campaign was disorganized and in shambles and that is why she lost. But you continue to find every excuse instead of acknowledging that your candidate was sloppy and made the mistake of thinking that she would win simply because she is Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton used to be the president.
These memos speak for themselves, they need no explanation. They couldn’t be clearer.
But Oh No, Hilary’s so-called supporters continue to be upset. And I call you so-called because there a lot of McCain supporters out there blogging furiously pretending to be Hilary supporters or PUMA members and fanning this fire to make it bigger then it is. And there are some stupid Hillary supporting taking it all in and believing the rubbish being spewed out.
If you’r a democrat act like one or move over to McCain’s party and stay there, but don’t use the excuse of being unhappy because your voices have not been heard and you don’t feel respected.
You wanna vote for McCain, vote for him and spare us all this drama and name calling. Obama will win without you.
YES WE CAN!

McCain was shot down in battle during the cold war being fought out over North Vietnam and spent five years in the Hanoi Hilton. He refused to leave the prison when offered but rather said that the other men their should be first released. McCain has experienced Combat and thus is much less likely to put people in harms way than a someone like Obama who feels like he must prove himself. Obama has never worn the uniform, not once.
McCain has honor and experience. Obama, heck we’re not even sure who he is. Changed his name, what three times? His birth certificate has information redacted out of it?
McCain is a long serving Senator. Obama was a “community organizer” – so are Girl Scouts. Obama didn’t serve even long enough in the senate to count.

“Shots were not fired in the Cold War”
Once again, Obama his people show their ignorance and show they are not ready to lead.
Shots most certainly were fired during the “Cold War”. Vietnam – proxy war between US and USSR. Korean Conflict – proxy war between US & North Korea. Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan – proxy war between US and USSR. Well over a million dead and wounded from those wars alone. Countless skirmishes and little known operations occurred where blood was split in locales around the globe in the conflict of ideologies between Communism and the West.
You can just hear Obama’s voice get shaky and unsure of himself when it comes to talking about conflicts.
Hillary is a much stronger leader. This ain’t over yet.

If the democrats had nominated a moderate democrat for president this election cycle they would win hands down due to the political climate. Instead apparently the leadership thought they could nominate a far left radical bordering on Marxist and then convince everyone he is a moderate.
No amount of spin can convince anyone of intelligence that Obama is not far left regardless of MSM spin. Obama made his character a centerpiece of his campaign with his repeating “change” “not a usual politician” etc., etc. then Obama gets mad when people judge him on his character and show he is a usual politician and a ruthless one at that. He himself admitted he wouldn’t have the experience to run in 2008.
Michelle goes out and makes bold political statements and is speaking at the convention then Obama tries lecturing everyone that they can’t criticize her. If presidential candidates want it that way they have to keep their spouses out of the campaign or expect criticism (this applies regardless of gender). I didn’t hear the same respect given to Bill Clinton. Then Obama thinks he is free to play the race card whenever it suits him and act haughty and indignant when he is called on the table for it. Fortunately not all of America has been brainwashed into thinking black racism is ok as any racism is wrong. I love Obama’s hypocrisy and many Obama supporters’ inability to see through it.

So THAT is what Bob Shrum thinks. This certainly changes the dynamic.
What Loser A thinks of Loser B.

Why are people still arguing about Hillary and Obama? This entire election will boil down to one factor – race. Like Bob Kerrey said, if Obama was a tall, skinny white guy named Paul Jones (the election) is a different story. Guess we’ll see if America is ready to step out from under the dark shadow of the past eight years or embrace the darkness and plod on while the rest of the world looks on in horror and amazement.

dl: I disagree with you. Obama would have lost in Iowa if the Edwards saga had come out earlier. But he media kept it quiet because they do not like Hillary. Well, let me go on record to say, Obama may not win the election because McCain is catching up in the polls and if Hillary is not the VP then all her voter’s should either write her name in or vote McCain. I may not vote at all or write Hillary’s name in. I also believe they should have a roll call at the convention even though Obama doesn’t want it. What is he afraid of. And the superdelegates can change their vote.

Obama is not centered and serene about polls.
He is hyper-defensive to the point of prissy about polls and criticism.
And don’t forget Obama barely squeaked by in the primary even with the help of the entire MSM bashing Clinton mercilessly day after day. Even with every resource [money, MSM, etc], this guy can’t get over the fence.
It’s so weird when the media writes pieces that gush over Obama – that transparently show their infatuation.
Obama must privately laugh to himself, “I’m pulling this ruse off! They’re buying it.”
And, fellas, why don’t you report on Obama’s ugly tactics. There were many, i.e. stirring up race issues when none existed and then disingenuously saying “hey let’s not make this a race issue”, calling the MSM about Ferraro’s forthright and right on commentary to stir up the African-American pop.
“Pieces” like this make us even less likely to vote Obama because they are so biased, so gushing.
Apparently America feels similarly because Obama should be ripping McCain [who hasn't had a strong campaign] but isn’t.

Can we stop this ride I want to get off. I am so tired of people trying to demonize the clinton’s too bad they didnt go looking for this much stuff with Edwards and now Obama. We get it some people dislike the the last best democratic president we had and dislike one of the most vocal 1st lady’s we have had. Okay go vote for Obama and I hope you get what you want out of presidency. Also Hillary is not stating any of this and she never said Edwards affair cost her the election why continue reporting on what other people are saying?

Obuma could not close the deal THEN.
Obuma Can NOT CLOSE THE DEAL NOW!!
Say what?

It is funny to see what Obama’s supporters have to say because they are either in denial or they are hateful. There are many, many, many democrats who are voting for McCain that would have voted for Hillary. Sorry Obama followers but it is true.
If Obama was qualified and not corrupt then I’m sure more Democrats would be voting for him. But I’m not taking my chances on a the arrogant one who wants to pretend to be the president.
With Obama as president Russia would clobber the US in no time.

Ha, ha, ha, ha…. Ha, Ha, ha, ha…. While all of you are arguing and ready to reap each other’s head off, “Atty in FL” wants the memo to be “obtained legally!” Only a lawyer from Florida will think that way. By the way “Atty in FL” what happened to the gut who went to court to assert his constitutional right to sleep (yes, exactly the way to think I mean it) with alligators?

Cyros;
I disagree with your observation that Obama plays the race card. I think you ought to read his first book, Dreams From My Father. It is a thoughtful examination of a young man struggling to come to terms with his own mixed race and the way it impacted his life. It was written well before he went into politics and it was NOT ghost-written. Many whites are very uncomfortable about have to confront their own latent racism and labeling Obama is an easy out. Read the book and get back to me.

The phrase “Ugly Sterotype” is just PC for “The Truth Hurts”.

John McCain has said many times over the years that he would rather lose an election than win a war. He backed up his words by challenging George Bush on his execution of the war in Iraq, and alienating his own Party. McCain has alienated his own party on several issues over the years. That is the difference between Obama and McCain. I can pretty much predict what McCain is going to do. I have no idea what Obama stands for. He says one thing, changes his mind, and then changes it back again, depending on the way the wind blows. I have no idea who this man really is. He reminds me of an onion. Peel away the layers, and there’s nothing at the core. I don’t always agree with John McCain, but I’m pretty sure I know where he stands on most issues. At least that gives me some level of comfort. From day to day, I don’t know where Obama stands on anything. In one day, he said THREE different things about Iraq – he’d get the troops out in 16 months, then he’d keep troops in Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, and then he went back to his commitment to get the troops out in 16 months. It’s clear to me that this man is willing to say anything to get elected. The question is, what does he really believe and what will he really do?

“It was written well before he went into politics and it was NOT ghost-written. Many whites are very uncomfortable about have to confront their own latent racism and labeling Obama is an easy out. Read the book and get back to me. ”
I’ve read sections of it but don’t care to read the whole thing and probably never will. In my mind blatent racism and trying to use race to your advantage like Obama is will not be justified by his thoughts and feelings in a book. Sorry I don’t subscribe to racism regardless of the source. Obama using racism is no better than the ignorant people who judge him according to race. When “Typical white person” and things like that come out it makes planned book entries more of a moot point.
Do you honestly believe Obama didn’t plan on going into politics when he wrote the book? I hope not since that would be pretty naive.

Is it any wonder why Bill said what he said? After all, Penn was his paid adviser and consultant for so many years and that was exactly the type of game he played. Only this time it did not work!! It is now clear that the “race” card was always in the works, depending on who the opponents were, and regardless of denials, it is absolutely true that they would play the race card if they could get one over the other side. Others who are thinking of using Penn to help them in the future should be aware that in reality, he is a racist and will not hesitate to use it to his advantage if he thinks it would help. ONly this time it really did backfire and the Clintons have lost the support of many due to this mistake. Banish Penn!!!

Isn’t Bob Shrum the guy who ran the Kerry campaign? Talk about a bad campaign.
Maybe people living in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones at other people. He is a long-standing Clinton-hater.
Not that I don’t think it was an extremely poorly run campaign, but Bob Shrum should shut up.

nomorerepublicans – you bring up the gay issues but when it comes down to it gays should be given equal rights under the law but please put a stop there. Gays should be allowed to “unite” with the same protection given to married heterosexual couples but don’t call it marriage. Marriage is and should remain between a man and woman…Period That I must agree with Republicans on. As for this article, I don’t even know why MSM is bringing this up now. Hillary fought a tough battle, made mistakes that cost the nomination but we should all move on to look at the candidates that are our choices. We have McCain aka McSame for some and Obama Hussein aka “The guy who makes great speeches but is he for real? So flip the coin and regardless of the outcome, the results will be the same. Slim picking

This was so on the money:
Americans need to ask themselves honestly who and what the Clintons represent. Why are the Clintons and their surrogates still talking about the primaries rather than uniting behind the Democratic Nominee? Why? I will tell you why. The Clinton’s are John McCain’s Neocon Wingmen. They have to appear to party insiders, including delegates and the fundraising apparatus to be working on behalf of the choice of the party. But the underbelly of all of this is the groundwork and the seeds of discontent that the Clinton’s preyed up in exploiting and manipulating voters in Appalachia. John McCain’s campaign is focused on where Hillary left off. It’s as if she has handed him drove a wedge in the Democratic Party and handed the baton (white lower- income, women and blue collar voters) to McCain. As Shrum says, “it’s interesting if somebody produces a memo that says we need to go after these invisibles: lower-income voters, women, blue collar voters…”– My theory is very simple, Hillary Clinton is DINO, a Democrat in Name Only who has courted favor with the Neocons. She is courting favor with the Neocons by indirectly helping the McCain campaign. Make no mistake, the Clintons “never” say anything by mistake.

“it took the race card to defeat the Clintons. And they resent the hell out of it.”
And rightly so. The race card topped it off for Obama in the finals.

are you from Iowa? I am, Obama won this state and he will win again.
Posted by: beck | Aug 11, 2008 11:23:36 AM
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That’s why they call you “I-Owe-the_World-an-Apology”.

“She lost the first 11 primaries due to sexism.”
Yeah, I’m sure that’s the only reason…
Have Hilary supporters ever supported candidates before? Nearly every candidate I want fails to win the primaries but I don’t go nuts about it. She came close but didn’t win. It’s ridiculous to count votes from states in which she herself said wouldn’t count.
This is the definition of a sore loser. If you don’t believe in Democrat principles that’s one thing, but if you do you’re doing yourself and the country a disservice by voting for McCain.
It’s only a vote out of spite.

with Mcbush
Women will loose it all
LOL
to all who vote for him

McCain immediately grasped the severity and repercussions of the Russia/Georgia conflict and issued a firm statement with regards to it.
Obama initially said that the two “need to talk” and skipped on his merry way – failing to realize exactly what had happened and why the U.S.A. should care. Of course, he later parroted what McCain had said (shades of the old “I agree with Hillary” from the debates).
Obama is unqualified to be POTUS.

“”She lost the first 11 primaries due to sexism.”"
“Yeah, I’m sure that’s the only “reason…
Well, name another.

Well maybe Hillary lost because people are tired of the Clintons and the 2 dynasties that have been running this country.

Erin,
Bill Clinton was the best President we ever had in the past 40 years. Hillary Clinton is the best Senator we have today. The problem is, no matter how good you are, or how intelligent you are, there’s a thing in politics called jealousy, that’s out to destroy you. Considering he’s the best President this country has had for the last 40 years, as any sane and reasonable person knows, it is no surprise he will be speaking at the convention…Bill Clinton is one of the greatest minds and President’s that our country has ever had. If he could run again I would vote for him over anyone. Anything that he done in his private life is his family and his own business! Bill Clinton was a great President. Granted his little scandals were unfortunate, and he should have focused more on how they would affect the reputation of the office, but he also did some really great things while in office. Look back through history and you will not find one president who has not brought disgrace to the office in one way or the other. The current president is the worst of the lot, with his bully tactics around the world. He may not have had sexual encounters in the Oval Office, that we know of, but his scandals I think, are a lot worse!

Neil, I was answering the question of why, other than sexism, did she lose.

Senator Clinton ran an ugly & incompetent campaign, which began with a sense of entitlement and ended in a shock of recognition. Hillary lost the nomination because she deserved to loose. Then she opposed rules that she would have supported had they supported her; thus demonstrating zero integrity. Her supporters continue that canard, to the embarrassment of everyone involved.
Senator Obama, on the other hand, has run a brilliant campaign ; he’s managed that achievement that with relative humility — all in the face of slurs and slanders, from the retro-racist-book-of-tricks. Now is the time for him to seal the deal with clear policies and courageous positions. This would eviscerate a befuddled John McCain candidacy which so obviously stands for nothing clear that it clearly stands for nothing.
The choice is not between Hillary and anything. Our choice is between very bright young man who seeks to inspire hope and change and an old warrior, who is tied to the most corrupt and corrupting forces in our history, which promises more of the same.
This is not a risk-free decision. However, with Senator Obama we have the possibility of better decisions leading to more effective governance while the retro-presidency of Senator McCain proffers certain failure.

The primaries is to pick the best candidate not the marketing package that was presented like the one in Obama’s publicity tour of Europe..Obama would best serve Amercia as a preacher rather then lead America …Obama rep what little there is is not really good shows how he back Industry (particularly when they provided funding to his campaign and pays political favors…votes for gun control…votes against people rights when it comes ease dropping…yea that is the President I want ..little on experience a lot of BS

Mack said
“Barry and his 300 advisors are no match for Putin. He’d spin the junior senator like a top and play him like a fiddle.”
seems that is what he did to Bush, Cheney, the repubs and all Mccain’s advisers.

Obama is the one that consistently plays the race card.
He criticizes the AA community for acting like victims, but uses the race card for pity votes.

The Democrats are really nervous about John McCain! Look at all the negative posts!! Go embrace your useless nominee, Obama and his creep sidekick Edwards. He will need you guys to hold him up come November.

Quick note the my fellow democrats. Obama’s platform is MUCH more similar to Hillary’s than McCain’s. Voting for McCain will just be a futile protest. Ang anger vote. Don’t waste your vote by throwing it away for 8 more years of Bush/McCain.

Gary from SC,
Can you name one thing Senator Clinton has done in the good state of New York, as a senator or for the US?
As a New Yorker I can tell you she spent the majority of her time running for the Presidency. Many New Yorkers will tell you she used New York as her launch pad to the Presidency. Her win in the primary was not by significant margins, but a win nonetheless. I supported Senator Clinton and I now support the party’s choice. I do not know what she’s done for the country but before you cast stones double check the facts.
She has not been vetted as everyone presumes. She’s not as qualified as everyone thinks; none of the candidates are.
Pick a candidate and cast your voice.

I am sick and tired of people saying McCain will keep us in Iraq for 100 years, it is simply not true. After slamming Obama as being dangerously naive on this topic for months now McCain has endorsed Obama’s plan to withdraw troops from Iraq in OBAMA”s 16 month timetable, so has Bush and Maliki.

Barack Obama is a quibbling, rhetoric spewing politician that is not qualified for the job. This is like a high school student graduating and going straight into medical school surgery rounds.

Would somebody please put a muzzle on Grandpa McCain, we sure don’t need his imput on the Geogia/Russia conflict. This old man is an idiot just like George W. Bush. They both just need to keep their mouth shut.
Somebody said that McCain was addressing the issues in Georgia while Obama is on vacation, well where’s our current President??? He’s on vacation with most of his family, wife, daughter, neice, daddy, sister….etc. in China instead of taking care of business. Of course we are probably better off that he’s away because just as everything else he’s been involved with it will be a disaster if he and Cheney get involved.

McCain has no foreign policy experience and he is lying about the Russians. These people that the Russians are defending have been getting attacked and massacred for years by the Georgians because they want to be independent and the Georgians have refused. The Russians have had to sit back for years and watch their brothers get wiped out by the Georgians. That is why we are seeing the Russians react this way towards the Georgians. McCain is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Georgians. This Cowboy diplomacy has got to stop before we end up in a war we will all regret. The Russians and the Chinese have been supporting us with Iran and were a great help in getting the North Koreans to come around. How can we expect to continue to have Russian support when we have leaders like McCain making these idiotic threats that everyone in the room knows he can not back up. Obama’s more even approach is the type of diplomacy that shows he will do well in foreign policy working with other nations to achieve many things. McCain seems too intent on war that leads to famine, disease, and other horrors. By the way McCain is no war hero. According to other POWs that were there with him McCain was known as the song bird because he would not stop talking because he did not want to be tortured. He made something like 32 Jane Fonda anti-American propaganda films for the North Vietnamese. In them he said we bombed hospitals and schools deliberately and we were all war criminals along with a lot of stuff like that. His injuries were the result of failing to follow proper procedures for ejecting. Then there is the USS Forrestal tragedy that cost 134 servicemen their lives and lost 72 million in military hardware. His Daddy Admiral got him out of that one and returned him to active flight duty when he should have been court martialed. Of course there is the Keating 5 savings and loan scandal that cost the tax payers millions of dollars that should have gotten McCain kicked out of the Senate and put in jail. But he did not steal as much as Cranston so I guess that excused him. His support of veterans and women is deplorable. In fact McCain has not accomplished a thing in all 26 years he has been in Washington. That makes him part of the problem because he has no solutions.

LOOK PEOPLE HILLARY LOST BECAUSE SHE WASNOT READY ON DAY ONE{OF THE PRIMARIES} TO HANDLE HER BUSINESS,SHE SURROUNDED HERSELF WITH THE SO CALLED CREME DE CREME OF BELTWAY POLITICS.BUT ALAS THESE WOULD BE QUEENMAKERS AND PARTY INSIDERS WERE MORE INTERRESTED IN JOCKEYING FOR POSITIONS IN HER majesty’s SOON TO BE ROYAL COURT SO RATHER THAN WORRYING ABOUT WOEING THE PEASANTS{SINCE IN THEIR MINDS IT WAS ALL OVER EXCEPT FOR THE CORONATION} THEY FOUGHT,BICKERED&BACKSTABBED THEIR WAY FROM THE TOP OF THE TICKET TO THE BUTT OF JOKES IN THE TABLOIDS AND ON LATE NITE TALK SHOWS.THEIR FEELING OF ENTITLEMENT CAUSED THEM TO COMMITTED ALL SORTS OF INTRIGUE{ MAKING FALSE AND MISLEADING STATEMENTS,PLAY ACTING THE PERILS OF PAULINE[FAKE TEARS OPTIONAL]AND THE MOST DAMNABLE OF ALL.. TRADING WHAT WAS LEFT OF HER SOUL TO SIMON BAR SINISTER R.M.FOR SHORT.. FOR AIR TIME ON FAUX NEWS } WHEN IT HAD BECOME APPARENT THAT SHE HAD NOT BEEN PREPARED FOR THE WHAT IF’S OF POLITICS AND IT WAS COSTING HER DEARLY BECAUSE THE PEASANTS WERE REVOLTING AND SHOUTING A DIFFERENT BATTLE CRY.. ONE FILLED WITH HOPE AND FUELED BY THE DESIRE FOR CHANGE AND A WILLINGNESS TO {MUCH LIKE THOSE ECHOED BY OUR FOUNDING FATHER’S} CHART THEIR OWN PATH INTO THE FUTURE

LOOK PEOPLE HILLARY LOST BECAUSE SHE WASNOT READY ON DAY ONE{OF THE PRIMARIES}____________________Lets be honest first she didn’t lose, she won the vote of the people, Because she don’t play with the DNC {teddy} it was stolen from her. The DNC cares nothing for the voters they only care about power, and greed, they cheat, lie and steal to get what they want, and they need a puppet in power , so that is what we are doing with the likes of Obama,

republicans hating obama should grow up and look at the reality that has been the last 8 years. one-party incompetence now in our deepest hole since the depression. so by what right do y’all have in saying that ya’ got anything other than the same ol’ one-liners and fear-baiting to say that’s worth listening.
face it – y’all are simpletons stuck in the same right wing bubble that you were 10 years ago, oblivious to the real world and the concrete evidence of america crumbling. stop your yelling. after years and years of it, us folks in the real world are tone deaf to it already and just glaze over your disconnected sentimental ramblings.
no more excuses – neoconservatives have screwed up royally. enough already.

theo, if you think the neo-cons have screwed things up, just wait to you see what the uber-liberals do.
That’s why a moderate like McCain with a Democratic-controlled Congress is the perfect match that America needs now.
McCain intends to upright this train wreck by getting our country back to fiscal conservancy.
Obama intends to pile on even more debt by turning our country into one big nanny state.

thereisonlyoneGod and it’s not Hillary Clinton! I hope she puts her name in the hat so she can lose again. Then we can get on with the business of talking about real issues and beating McCain.

Bottom line is she ran; she lost; he won. Get over it. Anyone saying that they will vote for McCain is not and was never a democrat. Liking a candidate doesn’t make you a dem or repub; adherance to the partys core values and platform does.

The media refuses to point out that for all his talk of wanting to get away from “politics as usual” Obama has been its biggest supporter. Throughout this campaign Obama has levied false charges against Clinton, using tactics that can only be compared to those used by Karl Rove against democrats during the last two elections. He has lied about his own record, and lied about Hillary’s.

Put me in the category of a Democrat who will vote McCain. No way in hell I will vote for Obama. The poster who tries to dismiss althose who claim to be Dems voting for McCain as posers from the Republican party – THINK AGAIN – Obama supporters really have no clue as to how close Obama is to losing it all.

“The Obamas, on the other hand, have worked hard for everything they have. That’s what most Americans have to do. In that regard, they’re more “like us” than McCain and Bush will ever be.” Brooklyn, sorry we others did not lie like Obama lied when Obama said he would filibuster against FISA but Obama voted for FISA instead. We others didn’t lie like Obama lied about his uncle saving Jews from Auschwitz. We others lie like Obama lied when he signed a pledge to use public financing for the general but then broke his pledge. We do not condone lies so we are not like Barack Obama. VOTE NO to bigoted Obama Supporters!

Shrum is also quoted as saying, Hillary wisely discarded it away. As for Middle Class in Middle America; it’s in her memoirs and speeches long before she ran for Pres. Penn was a waste of money.

What an ugly and fractured mess has become the Democratic party.

So if McCain claims he will only serve one term, is the election then about his VP? Why bother with him at all? Besides when did a republican ever tell the truth? NEVER……

Lisa Again , I agree with most of what you say except when you get to the Hillary stuff. I supported Hillary and now support Obama. I think if you substitute McCain’s, you would be correct.

Of course Obama’s platform is more similar to Hillary’s. They are both democrats and Obama has adopted most of Hillary’s positions in his attempt to appear more centrist.

What EVERY major politician says about their opponents includes unethical below-the-belt things and outright lies and distortions meant to fool, not inform the voters. When I see someone worried about preserving a politicians “legacy” for high character I just shake my head.

Why is this coming out now by the MSM?
I smell a big rat.
Obama does not want a roll call – so his MSM buds start discrediting Hillary – just in case??????????

This democrat, who had always voted for democrats and never once voted for a republican, will not vote for Obama this November. Obama is an overly ambitious man, who has not made any meaningful contribution to the Democratic Party or to this country, and is undeserving of the Presidency.

Well Tom, you can vote for whomever you want. Then again, I don’t have to look at the kids and tell them that we are at war with Iran, or the trees are all dead, or the rivers are all polluted, or they’re living in a tent and eating refuse from a dump because I voted for four more years of Bush.

Hillary lost because she was not the stronger candidate and ran an inferior overall campaign. Please, for the love of all that is decent, stop whining about it. You are embarrassing yourselves, your party, and your former candidate. It’s over. Obama is the nominee. Vote for him, don’t vote for him, I really could care less. Just stop the incessant whining.

Obama does not want a roll call – so his MSM buds start discrediting Hillary – just in case??????????
Posted by: disgusted in Illinois | Aug 11, 2008 5:57:22 PM
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why would obama care? Hillary will lose a second time by a larger margin. {Yawn} Whatever!
But then again, Hillary DID stay with Bill, so she must be a glutton for punishment!

disgusted in Illinois…………….do you realize that Hillary won’t win the presidency even if she could some way steal the nomination? Minorities will never vote for her now or ever again Obama loses because of her or if the democrats lose because of her. She will certainly end her career.
BTW, All his voters will still vote for him plus all the superdelegates would have to vote for him which means he will get the nominations by hundreds of votes. This came out because the Clinton campaign put out the dirt on John Edwards who was supposed to be the vice president nomination, in order to force Obama to pick Hillary.
This story is meant to show the divisiveness of Hillary and the reason why Obama will not pick her as his vice president running mate. He or his campaign will not be forced to do that.

“This came out because the Clinton campaign put out the dirt on John Edwards who was supposed to be the vice president nomination, in order to force Obama to pick Hillary.” Wow, Roy, you managed to still be wearing that tin foil hat? You take the cake on lunatic conspiracy theories.

So, let me get this straight, an internal memo, that made a suggestion that was never used and ignored by Hillary is somehow a smoking gun? Who cares? The fact is that Obama is not a lock here. It’s insulting to Clinton supporters to assume that we’ll just all get on board but that Obama’s fans wouldn’t have gotten behind her. Like her or not, Hillary was QUALIFIED. Obama is not. It will be extremely hard for me to vote for him. I’ll never vote republican, but I might just not vote. Obama got where he is because of a bandwagon affect which waned after 2 months. The fact that Hillary was kicking his ### down the stretch showed that the voters actually were coming to their senses and realizing that he is a candidate of all flash and no substance. The fact that we are still so divided as a party is NOT hillary’s fault and I’m sick and tired of the Obama supporters blaming her. It is their arrogance, their negativity, their candidate’s ego that alienates us. Unless he chooses Hillary as his running mate he will lose a huge chunk of voters. I agree with one of the previous posters that Hillary might not have gotten the minority votes that he will get, because those voters apparently are only voting because he’s black, not because he’s qualified to be president. We’re in trouble here folks and you can talk about how wonderful Obama is, and how inspirational he is until you’re blue in the face. He won’t carry florida, he won’t carry Ohio and the dems will lose again.

If fact, I don’t think there is anything wrong with a strategy — this is about play into people’s psychology. Why is it OK for Obama to paint Hillary as the “most secretive’, dishonest, flawed, deceptive, person, but it is unacceptable for Clinton’s advisers to even point out Obama’s exotic background — which is so obvious to many people. It the MSM that want people to accept anything Obama does, but interpret anything the Clinton camp did in evil ways. Obama is not electable — I believe there are many people feel this way. He will lose 100%.

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Just a question for you to think about: Why do you think both Bill and Hillary got big speaking spots at the convention?
Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 6:53:09 PM
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To convince Hillary Supporters like you who are still in denial to get a grip.
I am a Hillary supporter who has “gotten over it”. Try it. It is not that hard. Live goes on. You don’t have to wait for Bill and Hillary to convince you during the Convention. What will they say that you haven’t heard.
Why is it so hard for people who pretend to be democrats to accept a loss. To this day I still see some of you who claim “Al Gore won” and my retort “then why isn’t he President?”

Even if Hillary doesn’t win the roll call at the Convention, she will have the luxury of waiting the four years through a McCain presidency; during which time she will continue to increase her support base, work on legislation, and build her own political identity (separate from her husband’s). Smart strategy from a smart woman!
Hillary ’12

amy – “Obama is not electable” – Are you going to be upset when an unelectable candidate wins the Presidency?

Shrum is a hypocrite! Pity he wasn’t outraged at the B0′s Campaign for the memo they circulated about playing the race card against Hillary and Bill! I can’t wait till it is his turn to be thrown under the B0 bus!

I don’t have to get over it. You see I supported Hillary mainly as an anti-Obama person. I don’t believe Obama is qualified to be president and yes, I am angry that Hillary wasn’t the candidate as she is much more qualified than he. Lastly, I think this is still America and I can be just as angry as I want and I don’t have to get over it just because some Obama supporter thinks I should. I used to vote the party line, but not any more. I think Pelosi and Reid are weak leaders for the party. I didn’t like the way MI and FL were handled. So get over yourself! It is quite liberating to now be an independent.

Why is it that Obama supporters think that somebody who doesn’t support Obama is a racist? I am so sick of hearing that excuse. That is just tacky and weak. Why can’t you just accept the fact that we don’t like Obama because of his apparent judgment, inexperience, glibness, lack of leadership, pretensions, machiavellian, etc. I suppose you don’t like Hillary because you hate women. How juvenile do you think we are or, more importantly, what’s your problem?

AL from NJ–Great post–keep the message going–
Dear Clinton Dem,
With the convention just around the corner, it is imperative that Democrats all around the country understand that whether or not Hillary is nominated, we are in this for the long haul.
This primary has revealed DNC “leadership” to be corrupt, mean-spirited, and lacking respect for basic democratic principles. They have completely and effectively ceded the moral high ground to Republicans at this point.
• We have seen the race card played, with assistance from both Dean and Brazile.
• We have seen rampant sexism with no objection by the DNC.
• We have seen the superdelegates endorse as quid-pro-quo for campaign contributions.
• We have seen arm-twisting of the congressional delegates by “neutral” Nancy Pelosi to declare for Obama.
• We have seen an unabashed ageism campaign against John McCain, calling him “confused”, and that he has “lost his bearings”.
• We’ve seen a softening of support for the gay and lesbian community.
• We’ve seen caucus cheating.
• We’ve seen intimidation of Hillary supporters, hack attacks and coordinated threats against voters and media that dare to dissent.
• We’ve seen manipulation of the party nominating system and media to favor one candidate over another and the outright redistribution of votes cast for one Hillary and given to Obama.
This is now a democratic party in name only.
TAKE ACTION:
We need to get the word out.

this was posted elsewhere on ABC by someone else. Do we need a ruling by the US Supreme Court on the eligibility of BO. I hope there is a ruling if needed before the election and not after the election.
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The DNC is a joke. Barry was an adult citizenship of Indonesia proven by his using an Indonesian passport used to travel to Pakistan in 1981, his own operatives rummaging around in state department files to try to purge the docs on their ineligible POTUS candidate, makes Nixon erasing the tapes look like a sweetheart picnic. He’s off in Hawaii trying to mop up his Barry Soetero birth certificate mess, a little strong arming, a little hush up advisements to some key relatives. What he’s got to do is unseal his original birth certificate to try to make it look like he was never a citizen of Indonesia, which he was (is still?). But he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and moved to Indonesia and became a citizen knowingly into adulthood. He also never legally changed his name to Barack Obama. Man! What an Article II unconstitutional mess! These people can’t even run a good con job, I mean if you’re going to perpetrate the biggest con on the American public since the inception of the United States of America, you probably should do a really good job of it. If the DNC is a joke, all its candidates are a joke too. Notice the focus of attacks is back on Hillary? Go to it and see who owns barrysoetoro.com too! It’s a riot!
PullmanHerb 4:09 PM

I couldn’t be happier that Hillary Clinton lost. I am estactic that McCain is using her campaign tactics and he will also lose. Mccain is an idiot. All we know about him is that, due to his own incompentence, he was shot down and was a POW for 5.5 years. That qualifies you for military disability payments – not for President. He has done NOTHING in the Senate but plot for the presidency. Let’s not forget that he has had several mistresses and married the one who could finance his senate career. John McCain isn’t fit to shine Obama’s shoes. He is so jealous of Obama’s brilliance, he can sit still. His commercials are like him – downright stupid. Oh I forgot – he did graduate at the bottom of his class (5th from the botton) dumbass!

the funny thing about racists – they don’t know they are racists! lol Unless you are an American Indian – you are not an American either. the funny thing is that John mcCain was born in Panama and obama was born in the United states. Who’s the outsider? What a bunch of dumb americans.

The dirty little secret is that the media has been complicit in nominating a flawed candidate and now they’re blaming the Clinton camp or anyone else they can think of! They know that Obama is nothing more than a puppet. Big international interests are the ones who will be pulling the strings. And guess what, kiddies – they are anti-American!

Fortunately people are tired of being lied to – they are tired of hearing the name calling and bogus issues like a jewelry based system of patriotism. I accessorise therefore I am. Obama has spent his life walking the walk – working as a community organizer to make life better for those most in need – doing the hard tedious work of state government – and reaching across the aisle in the senate. Name calling and invented issues won’t win the day this time around.

Just love how the democrats and their publicity apparatus (the alphabets) listen with baited breath to the musings of the sainted Bob Shrum. He has been zero for the last century on presidential campaigns. Keep it up. If the GOP hadn’t “stolen” all those elections Bob would have won ‘em all.

Hillary is a DOG

she played the game she lost, but i dont think she will walk away gracefully not when she has convinced so many people that she would have won had this happened or that happened and just like anytime she doesnt get what she wants she claims some one cheated her out of it or is out to get her..
if Edwards had been shown to be a cheater she would have won – well if clinton was shown to be a cheater he would have lost… she had no problem hiding that for himso she cant cry foul now!

Looks like more mud-slinging, courtesy of the poopular Obama campaign, is being drug up to muddy the campaign waters. Does anyone notice that whatever he has accused his opponents of doing – THAT is exactly what he IS and has been doing!?! Bob Shrum needs to reveal his sources for where he got information on the alleged Mark Penn’s memos, because Shrum was a supporter of Kerry, Edwards, and Ted Kennedy campaigns who all support her opponent. Why didn’t Obama stand up against the false accusations his campaign made against Hillary and her supporters, and why no apology from him during his speech in Philadelphia? This event would have been the perfect opportunity for him to rewind the false attacks his campaign made on his key DNC opponent and her family members.

Shrum said. “I think it’s ugly and I think if Hillary Clinton had done that, she would have permanently besmirched her reputation, her legacy, and her place in American politics.”
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Hillary did EVERYTHING mentioned above and more. And continues to. I’m SERIOUSLY hoping for a 3rd party in the future. And I’m hoping to see Obama in that party. Since the DNC continues to let Hillary and Bill get away with all types of ugliness, and continue to pull the party apart, it’s obvious the DNC is pretty useless. Hillary ran a terrible campaign DEEPLY in debt. That’s exactly how she’d run the country. The Clintons are SO OVER for most of us. But since the DNC continues to coddle them, many of us are looking for something BETTER.

The Clinton memo’s shows she was advised to go negative, painting Obama foreign. She didn’t.
If anything they show why Clinton won (if not for 352 superdelegates). She should win, because when you have essentially a tie with Obama (even if she won the popular vote) the price should go to the most experienced with the most character.
Clinton beats Obama on issues, merits and character.

The Obama supporters keep bringing up the age issue with McCain, then I quess the race issue with Obama is fair game?
You can’t keep using that lame label without casting your own candidate in the same light. You have called all of McCains supporters or Clintons, racist, while being aghast if the word even comes up for your candidate.
Age, sexism and race have no bearing in this election, so keep it on point.

of course there should be a floor vote at the convention!!there always has regardless of the number of delegates the candiate had. At this time, neither bho or hillary have the number of delegates needed to cinch the nomination. the clincher will be the super-delegates and they do not come into play until the states delegates are at an impasse.
bho is afraid for a floor vote, as he may loose…….or, realize hillary’s supporters have not “just gotten over it…”

Sylvia Johnsen…….sweety, you don’t win by loosing. This the problem to with HRC and here supporters, no grasp of reality.