Thar’s Gold in Them Thar Memos

Campaign is nothing to say about how a person can govern — Just look at Bush. He ran the most successful campaign, raised the most money until Obama surpassed it. Obama is still an empty suit — he and his strategists happened to be smart enough to find a good campaign strategy. I am not impressed by his own qualification, and I know there are many people felt the same way. I will still vote for Hillary if there is a chance. But for this election year, I will sit out.

I agree with you 100% Amy. I have chosen to vote for McCain. The first time in my life that my vote will go to a Republican and teh same goes for my family. As African Americans we always stuck with democrats but now we have realized that they no longer reflect our values. Also sick of being embarrassed by them Bill Clinton, Edwards, Gary Condit . Hillary was the last vestige of hope for me in the DNC. Now I have jumped ship.

Obama is just the same as any other politician.

Amy,
Obama is an intelligent man who loves his country. He seems to be less affected by dogma than genuine thought. He has demonstrated an unshakeable quality when things have blown up in his face.
He is a man who believes in justice, for example in the case of Lilly Ledbetter. And he is a man who believes in universal health insurance; as Jesus said, heal the sick.
But his best quality is that he is a grown up. Grown ups understand the idea that some priorities override others: For example, the need to make the massive investment in and infrastructure, education and a changing to a renewable energy economy was and is inconsistent with going to war in Iraq.
As for McCain, his hot-head, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran style proves that you can be 70 years old and still be juvenile.

John’s conscience:
Your Obama judgments are only claims that can not be substantiated with facts. I am not convinced.
Obama is just the same as any other politician. His actions do not match his glorious words.
Obama-Wright stuff is as bad as Edwards’ recent scandal. A person who claims to the unifying force, yet he has listened to poisonous and divisive preaching for 20 years and did nothing (and even felt very comfortable). There was a reporter wrote about how he himself witness Obama sitting in the pew nodding with Wright when he said those ugly words. The MSM media ignored that report, just the same they did with the Edwards’ scandal.
Wait until the GOP uses the Obama-Wright as the center piece in their ads. I know many Obama supporters will cry smear campaign. But for many people, that is a legitimate issue, and it is a fact.

I would like to see the internal documents and emails of the Obama campaign, including regarding the following:
1. strategies with respect to how to appeal to people of particular demographics, including older white women
2. their aggressive marketing techniques, and how to manipulate this marketing to achieve their ends
3. how to deal with the “Rezko” problem after Obama said Rezko was not the man he knew; and how to deal with Ayers and Pfleger
4. what they said about Hillary Clinton
Atlantic, where is this information?

SEXISM is praciced by both men and women in this country…

“The Penn memo that says of Obama: “I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.”
Jake Tapper’s reply: “Classy.”
“Classy” must be a new synonym for “The truth”…

This just shows that all politicians SUCK…Edwards said it right they are egotistical and narcissistic to the extreme….no doubt some are worse than others…but for sure Obama just like Edwards was a media creation…there is no there there.
With Hillary and McCain there is something to latch onto with history Obama has obviously done nothing in 20 years because you cannot get any records on him for those years….which is interesting in its self.
Perhaps the absent media could give us Americans some BACKGROUND on Obama instead of all the fluff crap they have tried to spoonfeed us for a year now…people can say anything they want about the man because the media is not doing it’s job and giving information about him.

Jaded….I’ll give you Obama’s background…143 days in the Senate before deciding to run for the most important office in our country. Before that…”community organizer” who got some asbestos removed from a building in his neighborhood.

So two little posters under the illusion that Obama wouldn’t go to war or is a peaceful man….no he is an idiot who threatened to take military action in a nuclear armed Pakistan…he wants to sound “tough” too.
He is an idiot.

Obama came he divided and now wants to conquer.
Obama wants america to serve him. Not Him serve America.
Looks around how he parades himself around It is all about him. It is nothing about What he has done for this country and would like a chance to do more.
He has done nothing, but run for office after office and give speeches, and market himself.
He changes his mind so much because he does not know what he is doing. That and he is trying to make everyone think he is doing Things just for them. When his only goal is himself.
He threw his family under the bus, all his best friends of life, you know he will through you under the bus.
He said he came to Unite, he did yes he did. He United the Black Community.
His Plan is coming together.

rodney…don’t worry so much about party, worry about COUNTRY FIRST. McCain has a history and I just read his speech in Penn. today and he again, spoke of the need for bipartisanship. Both parties need to be for COUNTRY FIRST!
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Why are we still talking about Hillary at this stage of the game? Obama, like it or not, is the nominee! Is it really necessary to continue down this road of constant Hillary-bashing? Obama is (and always was) a media creation – a pop star candidate, nothing more! But the MSM still isn’t happy that their guy won the primary – NO! They need to totally destroy his competition. What are they afraid of, that they’ll have to take roll all at the convention?
P U M A!

Angie….you better come to grips that Hillary supporters are not all going to fall in line for Obama. Months after this election is over, when books are written and analysis is done, we WILL find out that OBAMA lost due to those PUMAS you so love to degrade.

SAMANTHA WROTE:
I have chosen to vote for McCain. The first time in my life that my vote will go to a Republican and teh same goes for my family.
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So Samantha, you’re going to vote for McCain which means you’re going to vote for EVERYTHING Hillary Clinton stands AGAINST. Like it or not, she and Obama’s platforms are virtually identical. I think their only difference is a few inches in their health care plan. Then again, McCain doesn’t HAVE A HEALTH CARE PLAN — something you obviously you obviously don’t care about since you’re throwing him your vote.
Oh, and fyi, McCain clips his speeches from wikipedia.

Angie, you need to deal with the analysis when this election is over in Nov. Obama loses because of Hillary supporters who just won’t vote for him (and the Independents too).
It’s not just the Hollywood elite who determine the outcome of this election. Hard working, middle AMERICANS (operative word AMERICANS).
Boomers will trump the American Idol vote.

Hey Kate…sounds good, from your mouth to God’s ears.

At some point, you have to get past party loyalty. For Democrats, that’s hard; I know, because the party demands an almost zealot-like allegience. But I’m so over the Democratic party it’s not even funny. I’m sorry!!! I never thought I’d be saying that. And don’t think for a minute that it has come without a LOT of soul searching. But the DNC has sold out, and it’s no longer the party I once knew. Being so involved in the party, I now feel like a tiny ship in the middle of the ocean.
I love this country, but I hardly recognize the Democratic party anymore. I still think Hillary had the best chance of winning the presidency, and she was tossed out like so much garbage by the party’s leadership, with the help of a complicit media. Those of us who supported her do not feel welcome anymore, and you’re all telling us to get over it. I’m sorry, but we’ll probably never get over it.

Jan…YOU SPEAK FOR MILLIONS OF US.

*ageist, sorry

“And all we could do is watch Obama “limp” across the finish line, hardly winning a single state in the last weeks,”
Amazing how being vetted took him down..

“Me, I’m voting intelligence and public/community service.”
Good. Check for it in the debates.

Someone please remind John McCain that all of our soldiers are fighting in Iraq…. Remember the surge ? The one that Obama said would make us vulnerable. I’ve got some news for you Johnnie boy. Don’t irritate Putin right now because you are not President and we like living in our country and speaking English. Take a break and go to your ranch for some barbecue.

Why am I not surprised when the McCain supporters see nothing wrong with the Clintons’ tactics? After all, John and Hillary are old drinking buddies, and agree on just about everything.
Senator Obama has twice the legislative experience as Senator Clinton — but, of course most of that was in a State Legislature, and we all know that anything other than Washington DC experience doesn’t count, right? What was that party that wanted to put more power back into the hands of the states? Repub-something. Haven’t seen them around recently.
“Campaign is nothing to say about how a person can govern — Just look at Bush. He ran the most successful campaign, raised the most money until Obama surpassed it.”
Actually, Amy, how you run a campaign says a LOT about you govern. Easiest example: the current POTUS was kept in one of the most comprehensive campaign bubbles of all time. All the real work went on around him while he smiled and capered without a care in the world. With few exceptions, that’s been the case in the West Wing since. Results? I recommend Richard Clarke’s “Against All Enemies.”
Obama is about as far from being an empty suit as McCain is from being a noble war hero. I will gladly stipulate that the Clintons’ campaign was badly planned and poorly executed through no (or very little) fault of the candidates, but it is over. Vote for McCain if you must, but vote. Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Sure it’s low but these memos are only coming out now to derail a roll call vote at the convention. The Obama campaign and the DNC want to disenfranchise 18 million + voters who did not vote for Obama in the primaries to cast the image of ‘unity’. These people deserve to be counted and to silence them for the sake of image is undemocratic at the very least and shows the true dysfunction of this party’s leadership.

Those of us who supported her do not feel welcome anymore, and you’re all telling us to get over it. I’m sorry, but we’ll probably never get over it.
Posted by: Jan | Aug 11, 2008 10:32:57 PM
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It might help if Obama stood up and publicly apologized to all the Hillary voters for abusing us. he apologized to the florida and michigan voters for abusing them. He apologized to all Americans for his associations with Black Liberation Theology and admitted he has problems with his citizenship. That he might not be eligable to be POTUS.
And he promised to be less corrupt in the future. He apologized to Hillary and Bill for pulling the Race Card and he promised to try to be less a racist himself.

Deb,
That was 200,000 Europeans who came out to listen to an American politician ask Europe to stand by us as allies.
Did you notice how many of them were waving the American flag? How many flag waving Europeans have gone to listen to John McCain?
Now that Putin has demonstrated his willingness to threaten all of the former Soviet states (and by extension, Europe) by rolling his tanks over Georgia, where is America?
Oh, I forgot, George Bush and John McCain blundered into a war in Iraq without any strategy whatsoever, or national interest, or plan to get out again.
Putin is laughing at how these men have compromised American interests and power.

Beth said: “Reading the Clinton campaign memos is depressing to me because of how negative Bill Clinton was (is?).” (snipped)
I have to ask what memos are you reading? Bill wasn’t trying to be negative. The memos themselves are anti-climatic. Josh Green’s article and ahem “creative” interpretations don’t have much in common with the actual memos.