‘Those Are The Facts’: Obama Sounds Out New Message, Riffs, Refrains in Kansas City Speech

I like this article. I dont think people really know who Obama is. I go out of my way to learn who he is., Becuase I know who McCain is and I am not very excited at all about him. Obama has been saying good things latley. But His past is a little shady to me. If he had a more straight forward past I would vote for him in a second. But He has the issue of the school he went to when he was a child, his paper work says he was a muslim. I want to believe that he is a christian I just want to be sure. Then their is a trip he took to pakistan when he was in college? These are things I just cant over look. His best friends were pakistani. These are strange circumstances. I will vote for Obama if he can put my mind at ease on these issues? I dont know how he can do this. But I want to believe in the change he offers. Just my logic wont let me embrace him till these questions are answered.

good stuff.
i still say that they need to go after McCain in commercials, or through Biden about:
1) McCain’s temper;
2) Age/senility (is up to the rigors of the office?);
3) Fly-by-the-seat-of-his-pants decision making, reactionary and impulsive.
By the end of it, McCain needs to be a rich, very, very old senile man with 10 houses, a mean temper and an overall temperment and dis-organizational bent that makes him illsuited for the office.
Doesnt know how to use a computer.
Can’t recall houses.
Past statements on not understanding the economy.
Past statements towards his wife (c…)and others which show his tendency for meanness.
He needs to do a better job of making this more about McCain and his ineptness. More about 90% voting record with Bush
And listen to RObinson in the Washpost… Dems need to pick their head up, take a deep breath, and beat the snot out of the repubs. They can do it. The fundamentals are there. We just need to take a little more delight in crushing the opponent.
I hope Emmanuel, Rendell, and Clinton do a good job of it tonight.
(It looks like Warner is more interested in his Senate seat, despite his 15 point lead.)

Obama forgot to mention how he’ll provide health care for 47 million–including the millions of illegals.
Obama will raise our taxes just to finance his enormous earmarks.

McCain is not ready for primetime. He may have all the experience but has very poor judgment and is out of touch with the common American.
So America, lets vote for a president with common sense.
Obama/Biden = Judgment/experience

You sure it wasn’t in St. Louis?
More uninsured peopl mean more poor folks turned away by Michelle Obama’s hospital.

“Obama did not mention that median income for U.S. households grew 1.3% to $50,233″
I don’t know if that is the accurate stat, but if it is, we are making much less than when Bush entered office. 1.3% isn’t jack over 8 years, when energy, health care, tuition and most other living expenses has far exceeded that nominal increase in median income growth.

Peter,
If Obama is a muslim than Mccain is a springy 12 year old Chinese female gymnist.
Besides remember there should be no religious test for office in this country – at least that’s what Thomas Jefferson believed.

Obama says that he has stood side by side with Americans for 20 years? Doing what???? Is he referring to the 20 years in lacked judgement standing in Wright’s church?
Obama has done NOTHING to help our economy, so why the empty promises? He is such an elitist, and out of touch. Is it any wonder that middle America rejects him? He is losing by 35 points in Kansas!!! He isn’t even winning his home state by that much!
Obama the fraud.

I love it.
Obama – common sense with his finger on the button.
Sorry but “common” sense is, well COMMON. Like most of US have it. I’d like a President who has un-common and superior sense, thank you.

Sammy
Does the fact that Obama served in the same board with Ayers two years before that heinous bombing make Obama responsible for that? What kind of logic is that. You Obama haters dont even know how to spin.

And if Obama is so “right” about his positions why isn’t he man enough to debate John McCain in town hall meetings so we can compare their differences?
John McCain offerred since June to have town hall meetings with Obama — and he has refused.
After Saddleback — we all know why.

McCain has very poor judgment and can never be a good president. Remember America though Bush would be a better president than him in 2000.
America, lets vote for a president with superior judgment.
Obama 08

Gallup has McCain at 46% and Obama at 44%. Oh how the arrogant have fallen.
Democrat for McCain ’08

By Gracie
“And if Obama is so “right” about his positions why isn’t he man enough to debate John McCain in town hall meetings so we can compare their differences?“
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Actually Obama offered to debate McCain on labour day but McCain wasn`t man enough to take up the challenge.
Again do you remember that religious debate that featured Obama and Hillary in May? McCain was invited but declined because he couldnt debate them.
At saddleback Obama did excellent. It wasnt even a debate where Obama will expose McCain for his lies. You wait till the first face to face debate Obama will smash McCain.

For Obama, the message and the talk on economy is not working because he has no record to convince people he can deliver.
His affordable housing policies in Chicago ended up with 39 defunct projects, 11 are in Obama’s own district.
His so-called urban garden (or whatever the name was) wasted 100,000 tax payers money and had not a single plant grow (where is the money??).
His association with Ayers – well, let’s not talk about this but focus on his Education reform in Chicago. After 40million spent, official assessment demonstrated “no” effects of those money spent.
Obama never ran anything, nothing he worked for showed substantial achievements. Just look at the south side of Chicago, Obama’s district!!!
The only benefit was for him to move onto next position.

Biden make McCain look like an amateur when it comes to foreign policy and national security.
Now what is McCain going to campaign on since he is already out of touch with the economy.

anyone who claims to be a member of p uma needs to only look at those two ladies interviewed on hardball to realize you all sound silly… lol pu ma, you guys are just terrible…
you voted for clinton for a reason right, well you have abandoned those issue completely for spite
you arent putting country over party, your putting spite over us as a people
id like to congratulate you on that.
as for raising taxes. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY BUSH HAS WASTED?
Mccain is going to have to raise taxes too. but. dont worry he wont raise it for the wealthiest americans. he will hit the middle class.
and im sorry that you DONT want health care. you are young, and are going to live forever. but for the rest of us who want health care, we will take it. if you dont want it, dont take it

As of today I dont know what McCain`s plans are. What he does is criticize Obama without putting out his own plan.

The families of Ft. Hood invited John McCain and Obama to a town hall debate.
McCain accepted — Obama refused.
Obama never once has offered to debate with John McCain except on the 4th of July, when he knew everyone wouldn’t be home in the evening.

And how is Obama going to pay for all this “Social Welfare”?
He want to improve Health Care — how does Michelle feel about that?
It has bee reported that Sen. Barack Obama’s wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don’t have private insurance — primarily poor, black people — to other health care facilities.
In other words “patient dumping”.

Wow, Obama run out of other peoples speeches to copy, now seems to think the only way to win is to make it about being a democrat?! Let me tell you, the democratic party is no longer the party of the people and that happened when they allowed voter fraud and intimidation at the caucuses and gave delegates pledged to Clinton over to Obama, and let’s not forget trying to deny two of the largest states a voice. Obama’s approach now is let’s throw everything we can at the voters and hope something will stick. Well guess what is sticking – actions speak louder that words- and Obama’s actions suggest he is arrogant, inexperienced and has no core belief – willing to sell out anyone to get himself up the rung a little faster.

The only possible way that anyone could believe that this economy is not is trouble is that indivdual a) disregards all news, including the words of the Federal Reserve chairman b) has lots of family money c) married an heiress with lots of family money or d) all of the above.
Try running some of your lame statistics next time you visit Youngstown. It is unbelievable that you would actually try to propagate this crap. Sorry, but I think I’ll take the expert’s figures over the ones posted here.

When Obama says, “that they need somebody who …understands that you’re not looking for a handout.” he is in fact showing his lack of understanding of “hardworking Americans”. He can be excused though because most of his experience has been with those who do expect a handout.
In the mortgage mess we also have to look at the fact that many of those in foreclosure would never have qualified for a house or investment property under the “old” rules when you had to put 10 to 20% down and have the means to make the monthly payments. Instead we had redlining rules and government edict programs to pretend that everyone can be a responsible homeowner. People forgot “if it sounds too good to be true…” but for the unfortunate individuals who made the wrong moves we can only look at them as if they were paying rent all along. The banks and people who bought the mortgages are the ones that are hurt because market forces were not allowed to operate.

“The truth is this economy is not working for average Americans,” Obama said.
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True, but average Americans do not have a Rezko to help them securing house and land.

He said: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”
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“Those are the facts”.

John McCain wants Town Hall meeting in his own backyard meaning as long as it in the republican crowd then I have no problem debating with you.
Saddleback was a Republican Backyard not a neutral ground. If you going to have a debate, make sure every group are in the crowd. Plus, Saddleback proves that Obama can go into the Lion Den but McCain refuses to debate in Obama crowds.

One thing everybody has to remember…
Talk is cheap, very cheap. That’s ALL Obama has is talk.

Chris, McCain and Obama BOTH had supporters at Saddleback – and both were asked the exact same questions. Obama walked out to big applause and got applause for some of his answers – including being pro-Civil Union.
Obama performed poorly. Quit blaming everyone else but him for that. He’s a man; his supporters need to start acknowledging that he’s responsible for his actions, performance, and success. No one else.

The Obama’s have donated how much of the book proceeds to charity? Less than 1% of their total income. They made $4 million last year.
I know the McCain’s have “more”… but donated millions to various charitable foundations.
So Obama — put YOUR money where your mouth is — not involuntary contributions (taxes) from hard working Americans as give aways.

All of this coming from Obama who said he wanted the price of oil to go up, “just didn’t expect it to go up so quickly”. Obama’s only experience of 20 yrs is sitting in a racist church listening to a hatemonger and saying “Amen” “Amen” to everything Rev Wright and Father Plaeger said.
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Ryan,
In my book, if you tell people you get $1000 if vote for me, and you won’t get $1000 if you vote for my opponent, it’s called bribery, excuse me, purchasing votes.
Besides, how in his empty suit the Nothingness could take money away from private and publicly traded companies and give it to you? If he did, in my book, it is called robbery.
Bribe and Rob – sounds fitting for the phony.

I seriously don’t know how McCain is going to fix the economy. He has not really laid it out. All that comes across is “drill here, drill now”, be like the French, 80% nuclear power. A 5.5% tax cut for those making over $2.8 million. What is he actually going to do to help families?
Bush won because of character assassination and fear mongering. McCain is trying to do the same. But people are really struggling. They’re more worried about keeping their homes than about spreading democracy around the world. McCain doesn’t seem to get that.

Oops, that’s a 4.4% tax cut for those who make over $2.87 million.
It’s Obama who is proposing a 5.5% tax cut for those making under $18,981.

Why should the top 2 percent employee the other 98 percent.

“Ryan,
“In my book, if you tell people you get $1000 if vote for me, and you won’t get $1000 if you vote for my opponent, it’s called bribery, excuse me, purchasing votes.”"
Explaining that people benefit more under yoru tax plan vs your opponent is a bribe? I guess I should be incredulous but you apparently want for President a man who has sated that he doesn’t know economics so this mindset makes sense.
“Besides, how in his empty suit the Nothingness could take money away from private and publicly traded companies and give it to you? If he did, in my book, it is called robbery. ”
Its called taxes and government spending. What planet do you live on that a government does not collect taxes and then spend that money on someone else (whether the poor or biz incentives)?

Gracie, Just to add to your excellent points about Joe Biden’s education
He got an “F” in English for plagerizing a paper.
On a resume he stated that he graduated Syracuse Law at the top of his class he actually graduated 76 out of 85.
He also stated that he got through school on a full scholarship, lied, didn’t get one.
The sppech you are referring to was in 1988, he plagerized a BIOGRAPHY speech from a Britian who was running for office. The Dukakis campaign got a copy of the real guy giving his speech and distributed it to the media. Biden backed out in shame.

OK so let me get this straight, some of you think this is a thriving economy? You think that a man that has no economic experience can do something to improve the situation? Wow, that is prue ignorance at it’s finest. The economy is stagnated, period. Soon this economic purgatory will become an economic hell and we will have you to thank. Use your heads please, this country needs a breath of fresh air, Vote for more wars!! Vote for more debt to red china!! vote for no health care!! Vote McCain!!

You know what’s so ridiculous is the fact that Obama’s “I’m just like you, I represent you, the working class and his message of equity among all citizens is the same exact message of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, etc. It doesn’t matter if the guy next to you is stupid or lazy. It doesn’t matter if he sits on a porch drinking liquor all day. He deserves to make and have as much money as you.
The world is going to heck in a hand basket. Hurricane Gustavo is about to wipe out New Orleans FOR GOOD, and the Democratic party, who (lets not kid ourselves) are nothing more than celebrities, partying it up. Michelle Obama coming out to “Isn’t She Lovely” by Stevie Wonder?? Was that the Democratic Convention or the Academy Awards? WE ARE IN SUCH BIG TROUBLE.
Would you have ever imagined 20 years ago, this country would have turned into a toilet so quickly?

Ryan,
The point is Obama’s people have been hitting McCain for his education record and he picks a VP who not only has a worse record but was also caught plagerizing. If you have been to college you would know that is a big big No-No that they can kick you out of school for. The other issue is that knowing Biden’s education level, he still has the nerve to tell people he is the “smartest man in the room”. I don’t know who is more arrogant, Obama or Biden.

If you want to see China’s middle class explode and ours begin to disappear, elect John McCain.

Obama doesn’t “get it” – some of us are not interested in moving toward a more socialist society where the government controls every aspect of our life.
Posted by: pecanpii | Aug 26, 2008 2:50:42 PM
pecanpii, I guess you would rather have it that the corporations control more of our lives. I tell you I can’t blow my nose without asking my boss first. I know you say you can get a new job. Not quite. I’m in IT and any new jobs are going oversees. That’s what 8 years of Republican rule have done to this country.
There is a happy medium between socialism and facism. That is what Barack Obama stands for.

If Obama is so concerned about the price of food he would be pushing his party to let us drill in our own country, for crying out loud.
We have way more oil than Saudi Arabia, but the Dems are holding us hostage to the environmentalists.

Why do McCain supporters have to blatantly lie about Obama? The Chicago media investigated Obama’s home purchase and he did nothing wrong. Rezko did not help Obama at all. Prove it, or stop lying.

So 150 union guys and 100 OBAMA SUPPORTERS/ACTIVISTS in the audience. Finally Bozo sees the need for small town meetings, like McCain but still gives longwinded speeches.
Whatcha afraid of obama….can’t pass the mic and take questions from the audience, like McCain does weekly….ready of any question from anyone.
NEVER BARACK
ONLY JOHN SYDNEY
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN

Aka, what a bunch Bs….I read the Chicago Tribune and they have well documented the ties of Rezko and Obama.

Obama is right, the economy isn’t working and McCain has already said he knows nothing about the economy.

I was for Hilary. However, after Bush I thought anyone (even McCain) would be better. However, if an adult is so out of touch with his own reality that he does not even know how many houses he owns, admits he knows next to nothing about the economy and continues to parot the lie that his wife was an only child, that his wealth is not from his wife well… he might be worse than Bush. I have switched back to whomever the democratic candidte is!

All this hate about Barack Obama is silly, people should just go ahead and vote for McCain in November if McCain is their choice good luck to them.
If Barack Obama loose the election in november he will still be a senator but all should remember something that if they foreclose your property that means you have no home, if your job is been shipped to China that means you live on stamps the choice is yours in this election remember Obama will still have is mansion, write books and continue to make millions.

There are record foreclosures, record bankruptcies, record unemployment today than anytime in recent memory. We can’t change yesterday, but we can make a change for the better. That is why I will vote for Obama in November. Like Michelle Obama said in her wonderful speech last night, “The world as it is just won’t do.”
“…[T]his time we listened to our hopes instead of our fears.”
Michelle Obama

“eggs are up 20%,” he said, “bread is up 30%” — as well as anticipated home heating oil price increases.

I have one house and I want to keep it. I have a job and I need to keep it. I have children and I need to support and provide for them. So for me there is only one party that will enable me: The Democratic Party
Obama/Biden 2008

Okay, so what is he going to do? Also, PLEASE read the report Obama is citing. Here is a sample of its findings:
Real median household income
increased between 2006 and
2007—the third annual increase.
The poverty rate was not statisti-
cally different between 2006 and
2007.
Both the number and the percent-
age of people without health insurance coverage decreased
between 2006 and 2007
Blatant misrepresentation? This doesn’t fit the “hell in a handbasket theme,” I guess.
So now my citation to the actual report will probably make the report a Rovian conspiracy, despite the fact that Obama relies on it, but chooses not to cite positive findings. All studies are disputable, but at least acknowledge what they show.

“He criticizes Obama AND proffers his own solutions.”
Bwahahahahah.
Like what: Drill, Drill, Drill, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Cut, Cut, Cut?
9 words to sum up McCain’s plan for the future.

JA-Obama said it was boneheaded to buy the small adjoining piece of land from Rezko, not the house.

AKADad,
do your research. it was sold to him the day after.
obama admitted they colluded

jpt quotes BO:
“Who has a track record of fighting for you?”

Wade,
Perhaps you should read the whole report.
“Real median household income
increased between 2006 and
2007—the third annual increase.”
Which is attributed to the top 2 quintiles. The bottom 3 quintiles saw a loss. The bottom 3 quintiles represent most people.
“The poverty rate was not statisti-
cally different between 2006 and
2007.”
The percentage maybe not be statistically different. But there were 800,000 MORE people falling into poverty. Not exactly encouraing.
“Both the number and the percent-
age of people without health insurance coverage decreased
between 2006 and 2007″
In this case they are referencing private insurance converage. The repor tmakes note that this decrease is related to more people signing up for public health plans like Medicaid.
And lastly this report does not cover this year with the mortgage and fuel problems.

Obama is unqualified and unelectable.
The Dems are very foolish if they nominate the “one” candidate who cannot win.
The superdelegates who will decide this nomination should make the correct choice in Hillary Clinton who is the better candidate, qualified and electable. Hillary is the ONLY candidate who can beat McCain. Hillary has already won the popular vote, winning MORE votes than ANY candidate of ANY party in history! Hillary has earned this nomination. The Obama caucus wins of a few people versus Hillary’s enormous primary wins in the millions are not comparable. The DNC should be held accountable for this fiasco, this was our year to WIN. The DNC must be held accountable for their failure to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism and voter disenfranchisement continually interjected into this campaign by Barack Obama, his campaign his nasty supporters and ALL media! To vote for Obama is to condone what they have done, DON’t do it!
“You must do the one thing which you think you cannot do” Eleanor Roosevelt
“No self respecting woman should wish for or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex” Susan B. Anthony
It’s Hillary or McCain 08 and Hillary 2012. This great country first and party second!
The DNC should worry more about the 58% of their base, WOMEN and less about the minority black base 11%. Paybacks are hell but necessary.
Thank you PUMA’s! You rock! Chrissy Matthews was absolutely pumasized yesterday and he was miffed. Loved it! Good work!
In 1932 FDR came into the DNC convention 90 delegates short of the required number to win the nomination out right and FDR won the nomination on the 4th ballot! THAT was democracy in action. WHAT are the Dems and Obama afraid of in 2008, LOSING, perhaps? You betcha. The DNC will not allow Democracy in 2008. It is unacceptable.
obama. Not now, not ever. Obama is not qualified to be a U.S. SEnator, let alone U.S. President. Obama has too many questionable ties, Rezko, Auchi, Khalidi, Odinga, Emil Jones, Farakhaan, his toxic pastor trio of Wright, Pfleger, Moss, Meeks,…….. You are judged by the company you keep, and Obama fails this major test.
Obama needs to apologize to the Clintons, attempting to denigrate a former two President of your OWN party is unacceptable, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are the greatest political success of the Dem party since FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt, Obama and the MEDIA need to show some respect!
Bill Clinton is the ONLY two term Dem since FDR! I thank Bill and Hillary Clinton for their lifetime of public service that continues despite the unrelenting 24/7 media attacks.

Russia Annexes parts of Georgia and Obama calls for a UN Security Resolution, You know the Security Council on which Russia has a veto – that one.
McCain calls upon European allies for action with the US outside the auspices of the UN.
There’s you difference – right there!
A scathing resolution in the UN which will be vetoed by Russia or European and American sanctions.
Naivete vs. Experience.

Rezko is being sentenced Sept. 2, I heard! Too bad it wasn’t this week during the convention….but timing is always convenient to BO. Forcing Rev. Wright to early retirement before primaries, Rezko trial after his 11 wins early on.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

“What is more beautiful than the roar of the Lion in Winter?”

AkaDad,
Why did Obama say he made a “boneheaded” decision if he wasn’t admitting he colluded with rezko?
And McCain is up by +2. Definitely NOT GOOD for Obama

President Bush has agreed to a timeline for withdrawing troops. By 2011 U.S. troops should be out of Iraq. Obama got it right. Good judgement. That’s why I will vote for Obama in November.

1TrueDem,
Obama tried to legislate failure in Iraq by voting against Troop funding, specifically shielding for Hummers. As a result of Obama’s political decision to legislate failure, many women and men died due to lack of armor.
Obama said the Surge would result in more violence. He was DEAD WRONG>
He has no clue what he’s doing. And he very clearly knows that since he chose Biden

Hillary’s speech tonight will not only tick her supporters off more because it glaringly shows, yet again, her greater strength as a candidate…and Biden will look weaker in comparison, with his speech.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Let’s take a look at the RW interpretation, then the truth
“Russia Annexes parts of Georgia”
After separatists attack a police station, Georgia launches massive attack on them killling civilians and Russian peacekeepers. Russians respond with huge military attack destroying much of the Georgian military. Russia looking to reclaim their mantle of Superpower tells the West to go f themsevles while waving their fist at other former Soviet satellites.
“and Obama calls for a UN Security Resolution, You know the Security Council on which Russia has a veto – that one.”
You do know that McCain called for a UN resolution right?
The United States and our allies should continue efforts to bring a resolution before the UN Security Council condemning Russian aggression, noting the withdrawal of Georgian troops from South Ossetia, and calling for an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory. We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats, and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion. – John McCain
“McCain calls upon European allies for action with the US outside the auspices of the UN.”
He did this in addition to not instead of a UN resolution.
“There’s you difference – right there!
A scathing resolution in the UN which will be vetoed by Russia or European and American sanctions.
Naivete vs. Experience.”
There’s a difference alright. The lies told by the right wing and the truth.

It’s darn strange BO can’t even be bothered to ATTEND the convention at ALL.
That REALLY ought to be reason enough for the Democratic delegates to nominate somebody with the guts and good manners to show up.

JA
“Obama tried to legislate failure in Iraq by voting against Troop funding, specifically shielding for Hummers. As a result of Obama’s political decision to legislate failure, many women and men died due to lack of armor.”
The McCain campaign is running a TV ad attacking Obama with statements that are literally true but paint an incomplete picture.
It says he “voted against funding our troops.” He did – exactly once. Obama cast at least 10 votes for war-funding bills before voting against one last year, after Bush vetoed a version that contained a date for withdrawal from Iraq.
Tha of course ignores the fact that Obama believed the troops should not be in such danger in the 1st place. While McCain thinks we should have gone to Iraq even knowing now the disastorous effects on our economy (billions down a hole there while energy prices spike) and that the threat was not credible.
“Obama said the Surge would result in more violence. He was DEAD WRONG”
No he did not. He said a reduction in violence is not good enough.
McCain voted to invade Iraq based on lies(no WMD, no Al Queda, no threat to anyone especially not us). McCain was DEAD WRONG and it has cost over 4000 American service men & women their lives while tens of thousands have been badly injured.

The Price of Gas was $1.49 when President Bush took office, and it was $2.33 when the democrats took control of Congress in 2006. Since 2006, the cost of gas has risen 74%, the cost of bread 21%, milk 26%, eggs 34%, and home values have decreased more than an average of 7%.
If the democrats take control of the White House, and Congress, you know that there will be tax increases. By 2010, we will be in the midst of a great depression – but don’t worry, everyone will have free heath care – after the government takes away your house – that’s the Obama plan.

It was reported today that Obama stated that the United States has not also set the best example to Russia with regards to invading countries. The obvious reference is to Iraq and John McCain retorted that our invasion of Iraq was proper and justified and can not be compared to the invasion of Georgia by Russia.
Here is a thought for the Democrat leadership on their position of no American support for Iraq.
Obama discussed and downplayed his recent harrowing experience with their chartered campaign aircraft that had elevator problems due to an accidental inflation of a rear exit slide. The media reported it was a serious event. United States military pilots experience harrowing events every day. Thanks to the recommended McCain troop surge and George Bush original decision to overthrow Sadaam Hussein, US Airforce and Navy pilots no longer have to provide a continuous no fly zone over Iraq. They had provided this no fly zone to prevent Sadaam Hussein from using his airforce and helicopters to slaughter helpless Kurds in the North of Iraq. Before the United States invasion under George Bush, this nofly zone had to be carried out from carriers and bases in Kuwait which involved distances and hazards. The successful overthrow of Sadaam has saved countless American pilot lives and harrowing military aircraft safety incidents similar to what occurred on the Obama chartered campaign plane. Democrats under the leadership of Obama would have us performing a no fly zone mission over Iraq for the next fifty years instead of going in and taking out Sadaam as we did and saving countless US military pilots lives over the next fifty years. McCain support of the war in Iraq was the right thing to do and will have the long term effect of saving American lives.

Who ever gets in doesnt really mater America is screwed The republicans have sold americas future to the chinese!
We are broke we are weak the whole world knows it! the worlds news papers a full of stories about the fall of the Americans Empire…
Our power has been ###### away on Iraq
Just as Afgainistain killed off the USSR.
I plan to vote in the man that was against the war Barack Obama.
Who every gets in will be leader of a weakened America and will need to try something new to get back what we once had!!

Sarah, If Obama gets elected you can count on:
– Tax increases that will hurt the Middle Class. Obama has stated that he will repeal Bush’s tax cuts which would mean a family of four earning $50,000 taxes would go up by $2500.
– Higher Unemployment. Obama’s overall tax increases will hurt small businesses and force them to down size and lay off more people or go out of business.
– Higher Gas prices due to the fact Obama is against drilling for new oil, building new refineries and new nuclear power plants,
– More war, not less as our enemies will know that Obama is not up to the job

Ryan:
All I am saying is that you have to squeeze the numbers a bit to create the dismal economy Obama describes. Also, population growth could account for some of the increased number in “poverty,” (about $25,000-$26,000 per year per “typical” family, I believe) couldn’t it?
For example, is it so horrible to say that we have a “fundamentally sound” economy? Does that mean that Obama believes that it is “fundamentally weak?” Is that really the message the president should send? “yes, the fundamentals are broken, let’s remake the whole system”

How many times must it be repeated that NO wrongdoing was found with Obama concerning Rezko? The bone headed comment was referring to his judgment being involved beignly with someone who has other problems.
On the corporations leaving because of Obama’s taxes: he has said he will be in favor of giving the companies who keep employees here a break and increasing taxes on those who leave.

princess,
The rich are getting Richer the working poor are getting poorer despite working harder and longer hours.
Change is needed..
Obama gets my vote I want a fair tax system not one that gives more to those who already have so much!

“STATISTIC” and never any “SPECIFICS”……that is Obama!
Did you hear what Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton said today?
Jimmy Carter…..”this black boy”
Bill Clinton…..”vote McCain”…….basically.

Ryan, Obama is on record stating he will repeal President Bush’s tax cuts. Once that happens, a family of four earning $50,000 dollars taxes will go up by $2500.

Hugh,
Obama is on records saying he will repeal the Bush tax cuts for the top 2%.
Q: Is McCain going to go after you as another classic liberal tax and spender?
A: Well, I’m going to go right back at McCain, because look at his tax proposals. He not only wants to continue some of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and corporations, he actually wants to extend them, and he hasn’t told us really how he’s going to pay for them. It is irresponsible. And the irony is he said it was irresponsible. When George Bush initiated these tax cuts in 2001, McCain said, “This is shameful.” He said that it offended his conscience, he said, for us to give tax breaks to the wealthy, particularly at a time of war. If you look at my approach to taxation, what have I said? I said I would cut taxes for people making $75,000 a year or less. I’d cut taxes for seniors who are making $50,000 a year or less. It is true that I would roll back the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans back to the level they were under Bill Clinton, when I don’t remember rich people feeling oppressed.
The McCain campaign swaying voters 1 lie at a time.

FIVE THINGS YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA
1. Did you know he love Burgers
2. Did you know one of his favourate song is title name; “Vanity” and song by Mystique GP and Willi Williams
3. Did you know that he likes comedy
4.Did you know that he watch news alot
5.Did you know that what he likes to do alot is smile.
If you didn’t know now you know.

The basic difference between Obama’s and McCain’s economic vision for America is that:
– Obama believes in a top down redistribution of tax payer money by government fiat.
– McCain believes in the free exchange of goods and services based on the needs and wants of a free people.

human, the study you refer to did not take into account the fact Obama will rescind President Bush’s tax cuts. The bottom line is that by taking more money by government fiat out of the pockets of the so called rich, which are in main small business owners, small businesses will have to lay off more people (the middle class) or go out of business. Once you are out of a job and have no income, which a lot of middle class people will be if Obama gets elected, Obama’s so called tax cuts will not be of any help.

I sometimes have to wonder if Obama actually believes what he says or if he, like others, realizes that this speech is nothing more than a list of empty campaign promises.

OBAMA 08 yes we can stop the evil empire republicans.

Peter…..go with your gut, Obama is wrong for President of the United States!

human:
All I am saying is there are some posters here and people I personally know who think a vote for the Democrats will immediately mean good news for them financially… but they will still have their bills to pay, and higher taxes will be inevitable, probably with either candidate.
We are all responsible for our own situations and if we have gotten into a deep hole, well, it’s not fun, but you can’t look to the government to bail you out.
Yes, maybe the rich are getting richer, but doesn’t that make a person want to try harder to get into that position? It’s the American way, remember? Some people may have more to overcome than others (huge debt, lots of kids, etc.), but we are all responsible for our own personal situations and working to better ourselves, not looking to the govt to do it for you.
And remember, “rich” corporations and small businesses are the ones who create the second/third jobs I refer to. If you keep taxing and taxing and taxing them, and then promise to give all of us folks $1000, paid for by oil companies, they will just raise their prices to compensate. I’m not running for prez but even I can see that’s not a very good idea. It does however create a great soundbite to those who are poor and are looking to blame someone else for their situation.

Skipper I wish Obama was white so all these racist accusations would dissapear, however if Obama were white he would’t have got this far with his thin resume.

I am black and I will not vote for Obama.
PUMA!

Jake where is the new headline with Bill Clinton’s speech today where he said voters tend to go with the candidate that can deliver even if it’s not the party you normally support.
Anyway, I butchered that comment….but I heard the sound bite on it, don’t know if there is tape of the speech…bet his p.o.’d Obama camp.
I heard a pudit say Bill is why Hillary is not the VP. I don’t look at it that way, but could be true.

becky,
Your a little touchy… When ever bit of data shows the rich getting richer and richer and average everyday hard working americans working longer hours and still getting no where. Then something isnt right!
With out workers companies are nothing but machines and paper and a couple of fat cats in suits! FAIR is FAIR!

I wonder if you “screw the poor, I got mine” posters realize how counter that message is to the American Dream, Philanthropy and just Christian decency.

Census facts:

Category
1992
2000
2007

Median income (in 2007 $)
$44,359
$50,557
$50,233

Poverty rate
14.8%
11.3%
12.5%

% without health insurance
15.0%
13.5%
15.3%

Ryan – I haven’t seen anyone say “screw the poor”. another case of gross exaggeration by some I guess.

princess & Missy M
June to July US economy sheds 557,000 jobs!
In July, the number of persons who worked part time for economic reasons
rose by 308,000 to 5.7 million and has risen by 1.4 million over the past 12
months. This category includes persons who indicated that they would like
to work full time but were working part time because their hours had been cut
back or they were unable to find full-time jobs.

human, Lets see, redistribution of wealth based on government fiat, or play by the rules and work hard and you can achieve the American dream. As to your stats that say people are getting poorer in the US, that is because of all the illegal aliens working for practically nothing that all you Dems are against doing anything about. Illegal aliens are competing with blue collar workers for jobs bringing the salary of construction workers, restaurant workers, hotel workers, etc. down, which is all the fault of the Democrats.

Kaj – It may not be true for all but I do know that the “stack of bills” for a LOT of people are not from necessities. From personal experience, I know that today people WANT and BUY even if they really can’t afford it. Then they have a bill… if something happens with their income – it IS financial tragedy. SO while it is horrible, it is not necessarily the fault of the horrible “rich” people. That’s all I’m saying.

peach
You wrote:
“wonder how many of those without health insurance that Obama is worried about are illegals?”
“So while most Americans work hard and pay taxes, we’re supporting illegals who are getting free health care?”
Illigals are not included in the figures and we are already paying for illegals healthcare.. Regardless of who gets in we still will!

Human -
I’ve always heard that illegals WERe included in the numbers of those without healthcare.

To all those who think the rich are to envied and admired please remember the following.
There is a moral way to get rich and an immoral way. Moral is you start a business, run it fairly by paying your workers a living wage and providing good benefits and slowly grow your wealth a.k.a Costco. The immoral way is to start a business, pay your workers less than a living wage, skimp on benefits a.k.a Wal-Mart, and reap huge profits. Another immoral way to get rich is to have CEO’s reap incredible salaries while they decrease the company’s workers salaries and benefits.
There are small and big businesses that follow one of these models. A distant relative runs a lawn service and brags at every family gathering how fun it is to see how low a wage he can give and still find some desperate worker to take it.
One job government should be doing is to protect it’s worker class from those who would take advantage of the poor. It is the morally right thing to do and the intelligent course if the nation’s future health is being considered rather than letting the rich get richer at the expense of the poor. We should always be thinking long term, rather than just the here and now. No country can remain strong, let alone a superpower with a shrinking middle class.
Obama has the right ideas for helping the economy, now and for the future.

Kaj – It may not be true for all but I do know that the “stack of bills” for a LOT of people are not from necessities. From personal experience, I know that today people WANT and BUY even if they really can’t afford it. Then they have a bill… if something happens with their income – it IS financial tragedy. SO while it is horrible, it is not necessarily the fault of the horrible “rich” people. That’s all I’m saying.”
Becky,
This is what I am talking about with your screw the poor attitude. Most debt is being incurred because of rising healthcare costs and people losing their jobs to outsourcing. They have to use credit cards and the equity in their homes just to scrape by.
That’s the reality not your modern day invocation of the welfare queen.

Lydia I tip my hat to you : ) You speak the truth!

I WISH THAT HILL AND BILL WOULD JUST SAY NO TO THIS BS AND GO FOR IT THIRD PARTY ,IF THEY WONT TAKE IT TO THE FLOOR FOR REAL!!! BY HER CATCHING UP SO QUICKLY AFTER THE DIRT JUST STARTED TO COME OUT FOR THE ONE BHO AND NOW IT HAS ALLREDY STARTED FOR HIS VP BIDIN, HIS SON AND HIS BROTHER ARE BOTH IN IT WITH RESEKO! HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE,GOSH TWO DAYS AND WHAT MORE ARE THEY GOING TO FIND ON EITHER???? THAT COULD FILL NOVALS!!! i AM GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE ARE SO MANNY OTHERS THAT FEEL SIMALER TO ME,ABOUT JUST HOW CORUPT AND BLATANT THIS HAS ALL BEEN TOWARDS HILLERY, SHE HAS SO MANNY WOUNDERFULL PLANS ALREADY VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT,YOU CAN TELL SHE PUT HER HEART AND SOUL INTO DOING HER HOMEWORK! BEFORE RUNNING, AS TO THE BOMO SHOW, SAYING HE DOSANT LIKE TO TAKE A JOB WITH OUT KNOWING WHAT HE IS DOING! JUST MORE BS FROM AN EGO MANIAC WITH A DOMINEARING VIAL SPOUSE,MO SHOULD BE FOR BIG MOUTH,IT WORKS CAUSE HER BIG FEET CAN BOTH FIT NICELY IN IT,WHEN THE TRUTH COMES OUT,BUT WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM A RACISTAND VIAL WOMAN THAT FINDS IT GREAT TO GO TO HER WOUDERFULL HATE FILLED ANTI AMERICAN CHURCH AND PARTNER UP WITH A CHICAGO SCUMBAG INC. IF YOU HAVE ONLY SEEN HER AT THE CONVENTION, WATCH HER IN ALL HER SPLENDER IN HER OTHER SPEACHS AND THESIS ECT.ADD IN THE FACT OF HOW SHE GOT HER RAISE AND JUDGE FOR YOUR SELF IF YOU THINK THEY ARE SHOWING THER REAL SIDE OR JUST WHAT IT TAKES TO STEAL THE ELECTION,IF MORE PEOPLE NEW ABOUT ALL THE TANGLED MESS THAT THEY ARE ….BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT ALONG TIME BEFOR THIS EVEN GOT GOING,BUT THEY COVER THER CRAP LIKE A CAT,TO STUPID TO REALISE THAT JOHN MCAINE WILL FIND IT IN THERE LITTER BOX WITH HIS SUPER DUTY POOPER SCOOPER WITH ALL THE RNC AND CO. THEY ARE DONE! AND TO ALL YOU DUMB OBOTS ANYTHING THAT BHO HAS TO SHOW AS FAR AS POLICY GOSE WAS STOLLIN FROM HRC CAMP WAY BACK! IF IT WERE NOT HE WOULDNT HAVE A POLICEY ,MAKE THAT HE DOSANT,NOT ONE THATS HIS THATS WHY HE CANT DEBATE WITH HER ON THE BIG ISSUES WITHOUT ALL THE OH UMS FOR THE MOST PART OF HIS MESSAGE OF CHANGE YOU CAN BELEIVE IN, YOU SURE CAN IF YOU ARE A MORON OR DONT CARE,EITHER WAY THATS HOW IT IS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE NONE OF YOU CARE HOW HE GETS ANYWHERE,JUST AS LONG AS YOU GET TO MAKE HISTORY AND RUIN OUR DEMOCRACY AS WE NEW IT, THE DNC MUST BE REPLACED WITH NEW BRIGHTER AND BOLDER LEADERS THAT HAVE SOOM DECANCEY

– The fact one of Obama’s biggest fund raiser was Tony Rezco, a convicted felon, who helped him buy his over million dollar home. Obama is on record saying the deal on the home with Rezco was “bone headed.”
I could go on and on but I am sure you get the picture. Again, if any of the above is untrue, prove it. Bet you can’”
Sure I can.
First his name is Rezko.
2nd Tony Rezko was not convicted of anything until the last year or so.
3rd The Obamas bought the house from Fredric Wondisford and his wife, Sally Radovick.
4th The Obamas then bought a strip of land(1/6 of the property) next to their house from Tony Rezko’s wife. They paid 1/6 of the price Mrs. Rezko paid for the land
So in short…the above is untrue and a gross mischaracterization of the facts.
The McCain campaign, swaying voters 1 lie at a time

Human – no problem. There are varying reports about how illegals are and are not included in the numbers of illegals. Most of the articles I just googled and looked at said they are included.
We’re such a big country that it’s difficult to know who/what to believe about these things sometimes.

human, The reason the economy is shrinking is all due to the policies of the Democrats.
– Obama and the Democrats are against drilling for new oil, building new refineries and building new nuclear power plants. Without power our economy cannot grow and Obama and the Democrats are against getting more power. Obama: “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said.
“That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.
– Obama and the Democrats are in the pocket of the biofuel industry which is one of Obama’s main campaign contributers. The biofuel industry is one of the main reasons our food prices are going so high.
– Obama’s plan for higher taxes on the middle class, corporations and small business will drive corporations out of the US and small businesses out of business which will result in massive layoffs and high unemployment.
A vote for Obama will be a vote for a shrinking economy and a bloated federal elitist breaucacy who by government fiat will be taking all the peoples hard earned money away from them and telling them how to live their lives.

human, Thank God for Wal Mart. With out Wal Mart I could not afford to buy the good things in life much less food and clothing at reasonable costs. As to workers at Wal Mart, my retired friends Mom works there and she loves it. The job supplements her social security income and makes her happy because she enjoys working with people and likes her boss.

Human -
The average wage to regular workers (not management) is double the minimum wage, or it was until Congress raised the minimum wage. The numbers I quoted down the thread from the Wall Street Journal was an article from 2.5 yrs ago.
Wal Mart employs a lot of people who otherwise would not have a job. They represent over 1% of our work force. There was never a time in history that mom and pop shops employed that many people.
Wal Mart has much, much lower prices on food which helps poor people. What’s not to like.
Their clothing and household goods may be cheaply made and not of the best quality, I don’t know. But it permits poor people to buy a lamp or sheets, for instance, that they could not otherwise afford to buy at the department stores.

Hugh,
I have to say thats crap… Drilling isnt going to change a thing! The Bush government has borrowed so much from money from overseas to throw away in iraq Imagine if theyd spent a tenth of that money on new tech here or put solar pannels in NV covering just 2 percent of NV with sollar pannels would be enough to meet americas electricity needs till 2020!
We’d be fine! Oil only went up because of the Iraq war and then when up again with tenssions with Iran.. See a patten here oil goes up every time bushh does something… Its like he is paid by the oils comapnies to make them richer its like he and his vp are working against the american people! Its all most like the bush govenment is some how part of the oil industry like the own halaburtin or Arbusto Energy… Oh yeah they do!

ronnieraygun – I’m a young retiree so there’s no worries that I will be losing a job.
Wal Mart’s profits are smaller than the profits of most retail stores.

Well if you’ve nothing to fear then hope like he** T Boone and his boys don’t take over your pension funds like they did back in thw 80′s then you’ll be getting half what you get now, good luck

ronnie ray gun – apparently you don’t know that T Boone Pickens is in Obama’s corner. Pelosi is invested in Pickens non-starter of an alternative fuel corporation and wants all of us to make her more money.

Human – your post that drilling will change nothing is so wrong it’s hard to know where to start.
So for now, I will just say that for once our country is having a serious discussion about drilling and what happened? Gaoline has dropped approx. 50 cents/gallon. Now, some of that is because demand dropped, but that’s not the whole story.

Obama is nothing like me:
I did not go to a church like his for 20 yrs
I did not have friends like Ayers, a known terrorist
I did not go yale and Harvard
I did not live in Indonesia
I did not have Muslim father or Muslim step father
I did not live in Hawaii
I don’t consider myself the citizen of the world.
So how can he know how we live or what we value??

I’ll bet you didn’t know, Ronnie, that one of Bill Clinton’s last acts as president was to sign legislation deregulating the energy industry which, of course, inclueds oil.
Enter – the speculators.
Thanks, Bill.

I’ll bet I did know it was Phill Gramm Senator from Texas who stuck that particular piece of Legislation into that law which Clinton signed and he did so after it had been voted against by both parties, and its biogges benefactor was ENRON where Gramm’s wife Wendy worked as a Board Member. Sorry peach you lose.

peach,
Oil went down because the oil comapnies have seen that they have broken the back of the economy as well as others around the world.
Its that simple!
Not becuase we had a debate!

Human, I don’t like the idea of big corp making the mom and pop stores go out of business, but like you said they do hire low-skilled workers that would have a hard time finding work elsewhere.
Bet you shop at Wal-mart though.

Numerous studies has found that Wal-Mart’s prices are 8 percent to 39 percent below the prices of its competitors. The single most careful economic study, co-authored by the well-respected MIT economist Jerry Hausman, found that grocery sales by Wal-Mart and other big-box stores made consumers better off to the tune of 25 percent of food consumption.
That doesn’t mean much for those of us in the top fifth of the income distribution—we spend only about 3.5 percent of our income on food at home and, at least in my case, most of that shopping is done at high-priced supermarkets like Whole Foods. But that’s a huge savings for households in the bottom quintile, which, on average, spend 26 percent of their income on food.
In fact, it is equivalent to a 6.5 percent boost in household income—unless the family lives in New York City or one of the other places that have successfully kept Wal-Mart and its ilk away.

PLEASE VOTE NO BAMA 08 OR EVER!

Human, Obama and the Democrats are against drilling for more oil off shore and for going after the oil from oil shale and nuclear power. According to the Rand Corporation there is 400 years of oil available from oil shale in the Green River Formation. As to oil from off shore, in Federal Land and in Anwar, oil engineers estimate there is probably 40 to 80 years worth of oil from those sources.
In addition, Obama and the Democrats are against John McCain plan for forty-five new nuclear power plants McCain’s plan is reasonable, needed and attainable. Our current 108 nuclear power plants supply twenty (20) percent of our electricity requirements. Construction on new nuclear power plants has occurred throughout the world but not in the United States thanks to Democratic leadership. In France, nuclear power supplies 80 percent of their electricity needs. Because 108 nuclear power plants are generating twenty percent of our needs, an additional 45 nuclear power plants will only increase the percentage of nuclear power to roughly 28 percent of our needs well short of French eighty percent nuclear power generation of electricity. John McCain proposals are reasonable and will help lead us to energy independence. Democrats under the leadership of Barack Obama are against nuclear power.
The reasons Obama and you Obama supporters give for not going after all this oil and nuclear power makes no sense. Are you saying because the oil companies may make a profit don’t go after the oil? Profit translates into more jobs, more oil exploration, more nuclear power and thus more energy at lower costs that will fuels our economy and make it grow. The more oil we have here the less subject we are to being held hostage by the oil producing Nations who are not our friends. More power here from oil and nuclear power as McCain proposes and Obama is agaisnt will increase the value of our dollar, lower our deficit and provide more money here to create more jobs and grow our economy.
That is why it should be obvious to you that Obama’s policies are for no growth, no power, fewer jobs at lower salaries and a lower standard of living.

S Adams NO I NEVER EVER shop at Walmart!
The truth is for every 50 part time jobs walmart makes it cost the comunity 200 retail jobs. In Callifornia having wall mart in the state cost the state $86million. That just bad business!
Peach some big compaines treat there staff right… IBM GE others like Walmart are scum.
Peach, France is a great place to live! I guess you have never been! If only the had our food and our sports over there and spoke english! lol

Human, if you don’t shop at Wal-mart then what are you complaining about? I guess you can afford to pay 50% higher than the average American, who according to you is suffering under Bush.

S Adams,
Does that make all of the students of the University of Chicago terrorist ?

Here’s the facts: The “republicans” have driven this country into the ground. I use quotes because the Bush/McCain group are not true republicans. True republicans support small government and a balanced budget.

Human, what are you talking about?

All this bickering we are doing is so futile….. Friday when McCain announces his YOUTHFUL, ATTRACTIVE VP CHOICE it will be in the bag for the Republicans… Especially if it’s an ATTRACTIVE MAN that they like…. All those quote “REPUBLICAN DEFECTORS” will go running back home to McCain and their ATTRACTIVE VP choice….. Most Republicans are only upset with McCain’s age that’s all. That don’t feel comfortable with him making choices as old as he is…so, he’ll get someone to balance the scale

John McCain’s evangelical supporters believe we are on the verge of the apocalypse…no wonder they want to start world war III with Russia and Iran.

Jane Id rather vote for Obama and turn america back into the place and people we used to be!!
And make the American dream work again!
I cant be bothered learning french anyway!

It was reported today that Obama stated that the United States has not also set the best example to Russia with regards to invading countries. The obvious reference is to Iraq and John McCain retorted that our invasion of Iraq was proper and justified and can not be compared to the invasion of Georgia by Russia.
Here is a thought for the Democrat leadership on their position of no American support for Iraq.
Obama discussed and downplayed his recent harrowing experience with their chartered campaign aircraft that had elevator problems due to an accidental inflation of a rear exit slide. The media reported it was a serious event. United States military pilots experience harrowing events every day. Thanks to the recommended McCain troop surge and George Bush original decision to overthrow Sadaam Hussein, US Airforce and Navy pilots no longer have to provide a continuous no fly zone over Iraq. They had provided this no fly zone to prevent Sadaam Hussein from using his airforce and helicopters to slaughter helpless Kurds in the North of Iraq. Before the United States invasion under George Bush, this nofly zone had to be carried out from carriers and bases in Kuwait which involved distances and hazards. The successful overthrow of Sadaam has saved countless American pilot lives and harrowing military aircraft safety incidents similar to what occurred on the Obama chartered campaign plane. Democrats under the leadership of Obama would have us performing a no fly zone mission over Iraq for the next fifty years instead of going in and taking out Sadaam as we did and saving countless US military pilots lives over the next fifty years. McCain support of the war in Iraq was the right thing to do and will have the long term effect of saving American lives.

To all you Obama supporters: What does “change” cost. A: About 1/4 trillion bucks a year by government fiat out of the private sector economy and into the pockets of a bunch of self serving bureaucrats and corrupt politicians and there buddies.

We aren’t in a recession now, Rich. We were in one when Bush took office.
As to the war — Clinton signed the Iraqi Liberation Act in 1998 which called for regime change.
Be sure to check the dates of these quotes:
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998
“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998
“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” — Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

Peter, Peter…..NO DRILLING!!!!! Reasons for NOT drilling have nothing to do with oil corporations, political parties, or money. But, it does have everything to do with our planet and the eco system.. You drill that oil and you drop the earth’s tempature….that oil protects your natural refrigerator Anartica… we’re already changing the temperature of the Earth core at an alarming rate.. Doing that massive amount of drilling that would be required is just like signing your death sentance….

Ryan:
Fair enough. We disagree. I have seen and read enough history and have traveled enough to know that the US has seen much, much worse than anything we face today, and that we have a much more stable system than many places in the world. So, saying the economy is fundamentally sound, but going through a difficult period is accurate to me.
When Obama paints a picture both of hope and despair, I see a contradiction. You don’t. Good luck to you.

Human did all the other students become personal friends of the Ayers too or do they have lots of other terrorist friends like the Obamaa?

human-
the students at the U of Chicago AREN’T RUNNING FOR PREZ! They can hang with who they want….OBAMA CAN’T i.e., Wright, Ayers, Farrakhan, Rezko….and the rest of his motley crew.
NEVER OBAMA.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

peach “in fact, it is equivalent to a 6.5 percent boost in household income”
Tell that to the local business who have gone out of business because of Wal-Mart and had to lay off their workers.
Tell that to the local and national vendors and suppliers and their employees. Wal-Mart is threatening them to ‘shop’ elsewhere when they won’t lower their supply prices. A lot of companies had to outsource their manufacturing overseas just to be able to supply Wal-Mart with their products.
Wal-Mart is a poverty trap for the US.

peach,
We gave sadam the WMDs and sent scientist to study the effects!
Iraq was an illegal war and so is russias presense in georgia!
Both were about oil!

“Did Georgia ever use WMD against its own citizens?”
Yes, it did. It bombed the people of Tskhinvali.

Human – we did not give Saddam WMD. But it’s a good sound byte at Daily Kos.

My bad if it wasnt you S ADAMS I thought you had brought it up ?

Hopefully, everyone is in agreement that the present Bush administration is the worst one in history. There isn’t a single initiative put in place by this administration that hasn’t been bungled. Iraq (even McCain admits that Bush and Rumsfeld messed this up)…Katrina…Bank failures…Enron…No child left behind!

peach: at the start of the invasion, Iraq *had* obliged to the UN resolutions: it had shown it had no WMD’s; it had allowed weapon inspectors to inspect the sites; etc. etc. etc.
Bush/Cheney were telling the world: “We know where they are”
The weaponinspectors and the UN was correct and Bush/Cheney lied.

Why hasn’t the Bush administration devoted the resources to hunt down bin Laden? Answer: Because as long as he is out there people will keep voting republican. Fools!

Rick…..I am in agreement!!! Bush has put us in a stew and we are stewing….
Human made a statement in reference to America going back to what it was…..that is impossible!!! America will never be what it was ever again…Too much has occurred, too many changes have been made even with the creation of Homeland Security…. Too much has happen, too much animosity overseas has occurred… Too many countries in agreement against America for how their invasion of Iraq took place. So, going back to what America was is not an option

On June 9th [2004], the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council about the export of Iraqi WMD, missile and nuclear components shipped out of Iraq before, during and after the invasion. As reported by MENL news service, UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the Council, “The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks,” and said inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.

The Washington Post reported that in 1984 the CIA secretly started providing intelligence to the Iraqi army. This included information that was used by the Iraqis in targeting chemical weapons strikes. The same year it was confirmed beyond doubt by European doctors and U.N. expert missions that Iraq was employing chemical weapons against the Iranians.[25] Most of these occurred during the Iran–Iraq War, but WMDs were used at least once to crush the popular uprisings of 1991.[citation needed] Chemical weapons were used extensively, with more than 100,000 Iranian soldiers as victims of Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons during the eight-year war with Ira

the US and UK blocked condemnation of Iraq’s known chemical weapons attacks at the UN Security Council. No resolution was passed during the war that specifically criticized Iraq’s use of chemical weapons, despite the wishes of the majority to condemn this use. On 21 March 1986 the United Nation Security Council recognized that “chemical weapons on many occasions have been used by Iraqi forces against Iranian forces”; this statement was opposed by the United States, the sole country to vote against it in the Security Council (the UK abstained

John McCain is proud of his good friend, G. Gordon Liddy, who happens to be a convicted felon. He’s responsible for the Watergate break-in. “If the ATF insists upon a firefight, give them one. And remember they wear flak jackets, you’re better off shooting them in the head.” – G. Gordon Liddy

Rick…….it doesn’t matter who you put in office…. Quote from Obama’s mouth while campaigning in Ohio. Bin Lauden made recent threats against America so we need to go get him. We need to pull troops out of Iraq and place them in to Afganistan….now here is the spin on all of that. You ask how many countries would McCain be in war with…well it would be a collective whole of several in revolt including China, North and South Korea, Afghanistan, Pakistan are just afew in a fight against America. Now remember we were already fighting in Russia with the Kurds and Serbs Russia attacked Georgia well that’s America’s Alli, Iran backs Russia…. so, are you asking who is going to START the conflict….

Obama?
“Just a mainstream Democrat who spent twenty years in a racist church listening to anti-American sermons while pursuing political power by any means possible after having served in leftwing Alinskyite organizations before going on the cuff with a slumlord who later made the purchase of his home possible.
Get real. Mainstream Marxist on the take fits better.”

Oh, first the rightwingers were convinced that the Hawaii-birthcertificate was absolutely and undeniably false and they had a photoshop to proof it. Today WorldNetDaily itself – the boss of Corsi – had to affirm that they had checked the birthcertificate and acknowledge that it was ligit.
And now suddenly the people with Photoshop on their computers claim they have undeniable proof that they have found a Kenyan birth-certificate …

Willem, the attorney who filed the lawsuit and did all of the research is a democrat in Pennsylvania.

And I’ve heard the Republican judge already has thrown it out of court.

Joe, its not America thats at fault on the wrong side, its Bush. How dare you associate the rest of us with that man.

What was that about ‘frivolous lawsuits’ a couple of years ago?
Well, that was a perfect example of a frivolous lawsuit.

Mike, Obama supporters not only put Bush down they put America down and you know it.
Michelle Obama “America is a down right mean Country” Obama’s biggest supporter

Mary, putting Bush down is not putting America down and you know it. He is not the fuhrer, after all, is he?

Human, McCain was born in U.S. territory, his father was a Navy officer, Kenya, IF that is really where Obama was born, (notice big IF) is NOT U.S. terrritory. His mother also moved to Indonesia when she married his step-father and became an Indonesian citizen, thereby making Obama an Indonesian citizen. He even went by his step-fathers name Soetoro.

Where are they keeping grandma Durham, his typical white person grandma? Why isn’t she at the convention?

REPUBLICANS AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE THANKING GOD TONIGHT THEY ARE NOT RUNNING AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON!
Polls were right, she would have beat him. She is just showing to the world tonight how their idiot candidate was the wrong one.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN, NEVER OBAMA!

Hillary may have to toe party lines, millions of us don’t.
Country first! You don’t hand the highest office in our country over to a questionable newbie, ever. Love ya Hill, but screw it….never Obama.

S Adams in the Panama Canal Zone it was never a territory of the USA Mccain says he was born at a hospital on the Coco Solo Naval Air Station the hospital was built 8 years later till then everyone used the local hospital!
MCCAIN was not and is not a natural born
citizen.
The Panama Canal Zone was never A USA territory!
Article Two of United States Constitution:
The President must be a natural born citizen of the United States, be at least 35 years old, and a resident of the United States for 14 years.

Hillary knows where its at NO to MCSAME
YES TO OBAMA !!

RonaldR5–interesting information. Birds of a feather…

Ronald – You are full of baloney. I’ve got the records of the Woods Fund – they are right in front of me. You want to say how often they met?? Or who they gave money to? Ever served on a non-profit board? Any idea how much interaction there is between the people on those boards? Didn’t think so.
If you’re worried about corruption, you might want to look up Cindy McCain’s Daddy – the one who left her the millions and her sister $10,000 – all money he made from booze and racetracks – a felon who actually went to jail for his crimes (although not as long as his brother – and unlike Cindy – who didn’t serve a day for her theft or illegal drug use). And I would imagine John McCain was alot closer to his children’s sleezeball grandfather (whose money is driving his campaign – and his political career) than Obama ever was to anyone on the Woods Fund board. Or you could research the Keating 5 – I believe that little episode with John McCain cost us $20 Billion dollars. If that doesn’t get you anywhere – try last week’s newspapers – where it was revealed that Cindy McCain lied about MOTHER TERESA. Sleeeeezy.

Mary, You think people are all good or all bad, and that is not reality. Reading your comments makes me think you are uneducated and don’t know the difference between news and rumors. You have no ability to think rationally. I know I am wrong because I am judging you only on a few statements in one blog on one evening. I am sure you have many great qualities I don’t know about. And you have many examples of great intelligence I am not aware of. So don’t judge others based on partial information and don’t spread distortions. Being religious, I believe you find God in the truth and the devil in distortions. Rev Wright supports the devil when he distorts the truth and shares the word of God when he tells the truth.

S Adams “All U.S. territory is any area belonging to and under the dominion of the U.S.”
Really? The Bush Administration is not going to like that …
They think Guantanamo Bay is OUTSIDE the US and that’s the reason they think they can hold people indefinitely and without due process….

Virtually everyone who knows anything about the economy – from the Fed Chief to Wall Street to industry leaders like Warren Buffett and T Bone Pickens to regular Americans who have to actually buy groceries and pump their own gas know the economy is in deep trouble. The economic analysis in this piece is tripe. Maybe if you’ve got an heiress behind you -like John McCain and others, it all looks rosy – but to most of America it doesn’t. And that’s not because they are ignorant. It’s because they are hurting.

ENOUGH OF REPUBLICAN CORRUPTION!!
ENOUGH OF REPUBLICAN LIES AGAINST DEMOCRATS!!
ENOUGH REPUBLICAN AGENDA!!
THIS TIME,
DEMOCRATS ALL THE WAY!!

O-ver for MAObama
Just say “no” to socialists.
Socialism kills.
Nobody’s swimming TO Cube.

barack was born in the USA making him a US citizen regardless of where his parrents were born
lucky for Barack his mum was American and his dad was here on a student visa!

S Adams, I’m glad you are suddenly realizing there is going to be a huge dilemma there for the Republicans and the Bush administration in particular.
I know that Republicans, when they are suddenly faced with a contradiction, just lash out incoherently to mask their panic.
I understand that.
When McCain would get elected, it would pose a huge problem for the Republicans. Legal scholars all agree that the issue has not been properly settled. When McCain is declared natural born, it automatically follows that GB is US Territory.
That’s the reason McCain wants Guantanamo Bay closed. So he can be president. What do you think, is McCain willing to release ‘terrorists’ unto the American public, just for the sake of becoming President?

hfp,
Romney was the one who brought up the fact McCain cant be president.
It has been debated in the senate and even his own campaign has said should he win the election his ability to take the oath may face legal challange!

Nah, been settled, no legal challenge for McCain whereas there IS one for Obama.

Night S Adams

Current State Department policy reads: “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”[13] However, the State Department is of the opinion that this does not affect those who are born abroad to U.S. citizens and who otherwise meet the qualifications for statutory citizenship.[14]

the hospital has already confimed his birth there

In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain’s eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a “natural-born citizen.”

Ryan:
“but the biggest recipients of its largess has been the private schools McCain children attended (and only while they were attending)”.
________________-
This is an out and out lie!
Quantify the charity PERCENTAGE WISE
distributed by the McCains and the Obamas……. withOUT fibbing, and you will get a clear picture of generousity of money and self on the one hand, and of parsimoniousness on the other.
And it won’t be the McCains who come up on the short end of generous!

S Adams: “I’m leaving you to your delusions. Good night.”
S Adams suddenly realizes this campaign is far from over and realizes McCain and the Republicans have made some serious strategic errors. Their own words will come to bite them. Most don’t realize it yet, but it appears it has become apparent to S Adams.

hmmmmm
Are you a Pakistan passport control agent ? How would you know what passport he used ?
I could get a Indonessia passport if my mum married an indonessian! I dont have to give up my USA passport to get one!
That the rules there! My sister taught english over there and that how easy it is! It not exactly a nation that wants to keep people out!

What are the Obama activists….they are almost as large as the group he’s talking to? Why the need for that. Sen. McCain just goes to town halls and passes the mic to anyone in the room with a question, unlike Bozo who is afraid of question, especially in debates which he fails so miserably.
NEVER OBAMA, HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN

“I’m just going to remind everyone here, this election is not about me, it’s about you,” Obama said. “It’s about who is going to be fighting for you, who is going to be listening to you, who has been, for the last 20 years, standing side-by-side with you. Making sure that unions can organize, making sure that people who don’t have health insurance can get health insurance, making sure that kids can go to college who couldn’t go before. Who has a track record of fighting for you?”
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LOL which fictional character is he describing here? He’s hoping for the sucker votes with this list of blatant deceptions. Pied Piper!

republicans have never done a damn thing for the workers.
The workers in this country need ot band together and keep the rpeublicans out of congress and the white house.
The fact is if we do not get more moeny and benefits into the hands of the workers this economy and this ocuntry will not get any better.
McCain has no plans to return prosperity to the worker. McCain’s pan is the same as Bush’s plan, get the money to the welathy and the corporations and they supposedly will create new high paying jobs and pay people more…
That didn’t happen when Bush gave out tax breaks, so why would it work if McCain does it to… it won’t
wake up people, a vote for a republican is a vote for 4 more years of republican crap

“I could get a Indonessia passport if my mum married an indonessian! I dont have to give up my USA passport to get one! ”
NO YOU COULDN’T… BECAUSE INDONESIA DOES NOT SUPPORT DUAL CITIZENSHIP WITH ANY OTHER COUNTRY!
And as to the question of what passport Obama used…… it’s a matter of record.
Do your homework!

dean O!
And your guy McBush – he is 100% blue-collar guy. 11 or 7 houses or 5 houses, private plane, 500 dollar shoes, country club, water skiing with Georgia president (Do you remember Kerry), etc.. He really understands how hard it is to be poor or middle class…
Come on, dean O, you can do better than this,

Never in the entire history of America, has anyone presidential canditate emerged as strong as Sen. Barack Obama. Obama has ispired millions of Americans and has given them a glimse of their long forgotten dreams. I think this guy has come on the right time when the Americans peopls are desperate in need of a wise leader to rescue the country from sinking and to restore back into the hearts of every single America the hope the had lost in their own country. Those who are intensively working to undermine Obama’s call for a foundamental change in this country of great previlage are those who has disregard for the middle class Americans and the working class America. I only hope that we look not into our racial class. We’re one people of one country. let’s unite to change this country. God bless us all, God bless America, and God bless our heroic leader Sen. Barack Obama.

Everyone’s talking about Barack being black all the time, but he is no more black than he is white. It’s not like he only got 30% of his white mother’s genes and 70% of his dad’s. OK? He’s both.
So let me ask this question. If he was 1/4 black but looked mostly white, would you vote for him? What if he was 1/8 black?
Do you see how stupid this whole issue of race is?

Steven from time immemorial, blacks in America have always voted for white candidates. So what are you talking about? The truth of the matter is this: most white Americans are turning their backs on Obama because of his looks, and not because of his economic agenda and foreign policy issues. Let’s face it, Obama looks more black than white and above all, he has a black wife. His daughters look black as well. Race is a very big factor in this campaign. Even Hilary and Bill Clinton the so called first black president raised the issue of race during the primaries. The Hilary camp all along believed that Obama will not win in the general election, simply because of the fact that he is black. They introduced the issue of race in the democratic primaries. Hilary was once quoted as saying, “He can’t win, don’t you that see he is black?”. As long as blacks remain subservient to Bill Clinton it is okay. As soon as they seek higher offices and leadership positions it becomes a problem with Bill and some in the Democratic Party, who probably believe that it is not in the genetic make up of a black man to rule or govern? I want someone to convince me that this is not racism.