Top Clinton Adviser Wanted to Go After Obama as Lacking American Roots and Values

Gee! Sounds like the McCain Campaign.
Smear, in-fighting, unfocused, mud slinging and smattering, lack of decision making, and unsuccessful.

Penn is the gentleman who has taken money from the Colombian government fo the free trade agreement? Let us be serious, nothing would have stopped Obama from winning because since February he has won the nomination. It is harsh to try to serve America, what has not been said about Obama: is he black enough? is he white enough? is he American enough, is he crazzy enough? etc. America is awaiting for Obama’s leadership, the world is awating for Obama’s leadership, great visionary leadership which will get America out of the darkness of the Bush’s years of faillure. God save America from McSame.

I would love to see some of barack’s internal memeo’s. The media’s never ending quest to damage the Clintons is sickening.

I disagree! She did so take his advise! Remember Pennsyvania? Scranton? Hillary talking about growing up w/ those American “values”, shooting her gun? She pushed the “American” meme as far as she could!!!

Rachel- that’s right. It’s just a great big sexist right, left wing conspiracy against poor lil ol Hillary.
Vomit.

Hindsight is 20/20. Agree or disagree, the Clinton’s went easy on Obama because of the democratic party.

Disgraceful! Have these Clinton people no shame?

is it novemeber yet? I want this election over. While people continue to demonize the Clintons Obama gets no vetting. Obama supporters are so vile and I dont know why their canidate won, and the meida is not dooing their job.

Soldier you tell me why is it that clinton memo’s are getting released now? I wonder if all the defects from the clinton camp to the Obama camp were paid to tell their story. Obama is telfeon for now. He will probably win, but the sad part is he wont deliver on any of his hopes and change.

Work hard – get a degree .. make as much as you can so WE liberals can tax you more! OH – the American dream! Sigh!

So Reverend Wright was actually a wax figure being controlled by srings .. like a puppet!? Wow ..

Angie she did not make Rev wright say those things he said it himself, just liek she didnt make Obama call rural people bitter clinging to religon and guns. So you don’t need Clinton supporters fine, but I pray for you and the country that Obama keeps his word but we know how he changes.

Rachel
The point is he did not do her dirty like she did him, the white typical grandmother thing was blown out of proporation if thats the case why is he in hawaii with her now,as far as the pastor mocking hillary he had no control of that he wasnt even there

Rachel- uh, their memos are getting released now because all of her advisors are releasing them. it’s in-fighting. they are all shooting at each other. it’s the CLINTON CAMPAIGN releasing the memos, sister. no, no, no- it’s all Obama’s fault. He’s so sexist! (even though he’s never made a sexist remark) He’s anti-American! (even though he’s never made an anti-American remark).
The point is this: People voting for Hillary Clinton were not voting for a democrat. They were voting for a clinton and a woman. That’s all they cared about- that she was a woman and a Clinton, period.

“Save it for 2050″
??!!
Chances are, if he were working for Obama, he’d be saying the same thing about getting a female President!
That man is just plain nasty and repulsive. I hope enough of this crap leaks out that makes him untouchable to future candidates. Make this man work for a living for once.

SOLIDER
the thing the clinton supporters dont understand is
1 Its not the medias fault who hillary picked for her campaign
2 Its not obamas fault she ran a bad campaign and ran herself into debt
Maybe the hillary supporters should spend less time bashing obama,And more time thinking about things she did and said and maybe they will see the light!!

We all know that if a white candidate had been in a similar church for 20 years… or been friends with a homegrown bomber… or taken a kickback from a slumlord… both the media and the Democrats would have seen to it that his quest for POTUS was ended. It’s truly a mystery to me why Obama is given a pass by the media, the Democrats, and his followers.

People, STOP IT!!!!!!
let’s win!

Why are you all calling Hill a witch? She did not go along with this. That is why she lost, she should have brought this all out. Give he American People the truth! McCain will not follow suit. He called him on the race card, and he will tell the people the true about the Obomination!

Angie, I’ll tell you straight up what Clinton should have done. She should have stormed and rigged the caucases like Obama did. And she should have done everything in her power to let the country know about Rev. Wright earlier in the primaries. Obama claimed the nomination because the caucases gave him enough momentum to get past the Wright roadblock. And don’t tell me the caucases were fair; seek and ye shall find the truth on the internet.

Soldeir he doesnt have to make a anit american remarka his friends and supporters speak volumes for him along. Like I said it doesn’t matter anymore he’s got the nomination. Who cares about the other half of the democratic party as long as they sit down shut up and get in line right?

I wonder if Obama being in Hawaii has anything to do with his birth certificate? Just as I wonder if that passport breach had anything to do with it? Maybe the Enquirer could put a reporter on it.

JKR:
“The citizenship thing is still in question.”
Of course it is in question. And unicorns play in my backyard at night.

LeeLee, we wont’t get anywhere with the Obama supporters, so I suggest we just say our peace and leave them to their’s. They say they don’t need the Clinton supporters so I pray for them that they are right and that Obama is everything they hoped he was. The sad part about is that by tearing Hillary down no Obama supporter has told me why I should vote for Obama except for some idle threat about roe vs wade. I am not sure they could tell me why I should vote for him, because they would have to change their reasoning the next day the way Obama refines his position.

I’m with you, Marylou – she should have stomped a mudhole in his sorry butt.
PUMA!

Allen, what do you mean lived the american dream? If you mean going posh ivy league schools you are right! I don’t many african americans who grew up on food stamps who when to private schools in Hawaii or lived in indonesia so he lived a dream alright but he didnt have it as hard as he is trying to make it.

If Obama thinks the American people have forgot all about wright he’s got another thought coming…..Obama sat for years and let wright G.D. America and it’s people.Listen to wright say how bad America is that America had 911 coming to us. But yet wright and Obama live in this country they hate so bad….Yes America has done somethings that wasn’t right to their people but times have changes and America isn’t like that anymore….So why doesn’t wright and people like him just stop with the preaching of hate America for what it’s done…How can America grow and be a better place with people like Obama and wright always being mad about the past….we can not change what happened and the people that live today had nothing to do with it our mothers and fathers had nothing to do with it and it’s time to move on and let it go….

Gee, I didn’t know the Clintons were such pure people that they can afford to thrown stones at others.
Of course, we can question the Americanness of hyphenated citizens whose ancestors came from elsewhere–but I always thought that Obama was born in the U.S.? Given all the investigations into his past, I’m surprised his foreignness hasn’t come to light.
You know what? To quote Hillary Clinton during a 60 minutes interview when she wass defending Bill and Genifer Flowers–”if you don’t like him, heck, don’t vote for him.”
End of story.

rachel
Most Americans think that working hard so you can send your kids to good schools IS the American dream. Are you saying his mother should NOT have done that? Are you saying we should elect a President who did NOT go to good schools? What are you saying, besides the fact that you hate Obama so whatever he did must be bad?

jock59801, thats how it feels almost every post I read it oh shut up grow up fall in line or get out of the party. I understand that the primary was close, but can some Obama supporter tell me why they think is out of the ordinary with Hillary having a roll call vote for herself? Its been done since forever. Also the people who so look up to the Kennedy’s he took it to the floor and he didnt have nearly as many delegates as Hillary? why the double standard? As far as Hillary supporters beign not beign satisfied with anything Obama does, funny I was going to say the same thing about Obama supporters. If she goes away(like people say enough of the clintons etc etc.) they scream where is she she is not keeping her promise, and when she goes out and supports him its not enough or she is trying to steal the lime light. I was a fan of Obama a couple years back whe he came to Wisconsin and camapiagned for our governors re-election I thought he was a good guy this primary has changed my opinion.

Is Obama running against Clinton or Mccain?

JOKEROUS
No just stating facts,I dont drink.

jock59801, I will acknowledge their are crazy posters on both sides, but I am not judging based on just internet, I am judging on chosen supporters and people he has given money to/ or gotten money from to further his career.

When somebody brings out the ‘TRUTH’ about BHO’s ‘dark’ past and lies he/she is termed by BHO zombies as ‘negative’ campaigners. The issue is that there so little history of BHO and whatever is available is full of lies and darkness.

With the outbreak of tension with the Soviet Union, Barack Obama is too much of a risk. Hilary was a shoe-in … Putin would have been no match for her! Putin will eat Obama for lunch though, like he’s doing to the young Ivy League educated President of Georgia. I want a seasoned leader, someone who knows how these games are played. I’ll vote for Obama in a few years … if he’s proved himself. For now, my only choice is McCain (even though my first choice was Hilary).

jock:
I am a tentative Obama supporter, but Rev. Wright essentially said “G.D. America and it’s people,”and “America had 911 coming to us.”
More specifically he said “G.D. America” and “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.
He was rightfully angry when he made the former quote, and right to point out the latter since our minimizing our terrorism against others will minimize terrorism against us.

CONCERNED
I bet mccain wouldnt wait to start dropping bombs on russia!!!

JOCK59801
You cant talk to these hillary supporters they are stubborn just like Hillary was when she was losing and refused to give up and LEELEE just makes no sense to me hes senseless!!

rachel, I don’t see why Obama should have apologize or not run for president simply because he didn’t grow up as a poor black man, according to you.

Obama’s birth certificate has already been released. Get with it. You’re wasting your time.
John McCain on the other hand was born in Panama. So if you want to argue you better look at McCain first.

For those who dont know who Obama is or what he stands for – he published two books. Did you know that? Have you read them?
Bother to do so. You’ll know alot about him and can come out of your voluntary ignorance.

His books are getting debunked by the neocons. That is not being debunked that is slander. Hillary will never be President.

Thank you George W. Bush for helping elect Barack Obama for President. You PUTZ!

LeeLee07:
“It seems as if the Wrong Reverend Wright has gotten caught in a time warp…”
Are you suggesting that an invasion and war in Iraq is ancient history?

Well, ella why is great that Obama wrote two books, why would anyone who had any doubts about Obama take any real stoke in things he wrote about himself? I am sure they would take with a grain of salt like Obama supporters would take the book Obama Nation.

LeeLee07
Gee, that’s what Obama said too. I’m glad we all agree.

RACHEL
you know the more and more I read your post you really dont sound like a democrat, But more like a republican you always seem to side with them.

It’s unAmerican to always personally attacking the candidate patriotism. Hillary and McCain both fall into that category, because they are desperate and are willing to do anything to win.

Exactly what does this have to do with Obama? Clinton either for that matter, she didn’t take the advice. The only lowroader was Penn.

Neocons are scared.

amazed08
Do you know why Obama used the “dollar bill” example in the first place? Because the McCain had an earlier internet video that put Obama’s face on a dollar bill, I guess to show how ridiculous that seemed. So Obama didn’t have to say they WILL say he doesn’t look like the guy on the dollar bill, because they already had!

theunshrub: Did you read the article? Hillarys advisor wanted her to attack his patriotism, but she refused to take his advice. Hillary took the high road, get your facts straight.

Angie how am I siding with the republicans like I said I am not voting for McCain but that doesnt mean I am voting for barack. I am a registered dem. Thats another problem with some Obama supporters they dont see how anyone who votes dem cant support Obama, well people like me are out there. I will never vote McCain i may change my mind if Obama can convience me but so far that hasn’t happened so right now its either sitting out or voting 3rd party. I voted for Bill clinton, Al gore, and kerry, unfortuntely only Bill won, but it just gets my gall that people say if I dont vote Obama I am not a dem. I mean If a republican votes against their party on certin issues they are are a mavarick if a dem does they are a traitor I see were were I stand.

894 is a traitor to his party. He’s a liberal.

I didn’t think it could happen in America, but the Democratic primary showed that sleazy tactics could hurt more than help. Most times Hillary resorted to them, Obama got a bump both in the polls and in delegates. Perhaps there is hope for justice.

Angie if Obama is half white and half black why does he identify himself as a african american when he was raised by his white grandma and mother, shoudnt he be called the first mixed president or the first half black president? My point beign he wants to say he transends race and racial bounds but will happily take the title as first african american or black president

John McCain is a naturalized American citizen due to the principle of Jus Sanguinis.
His father was a servicemen deployed on orders from the U.S. government, and as far as I can tell from available law, servicemen who serve overseas, whether it be in Panama, Germany, Iraq, or Timbucktooee, they’re still residents of the United States, his parents are residents of the United States. Being the child of parents who reside, technically, in the United States, he should be a U.S. citizen.
Like I said, he’s a natural-born American citizen. Case closed.
PUMA!

Look there is no doubt that Obama is a us citizen that surely would have been outed by now, not to say that his associates and friends have been a little anit american but I really have not doubts that he was born in America, now how many wives his dad had and whether or not his mom and dad were legally married is different story, but a person doesnt pick their family but they do their friends and that lies my concern.

The same comments that originated with the Clinton campaign are still hitting the blogs. I’ve often wondered how many of her top advisers posed on these blogs to spin a few lies and misrepresentations. All they needed to do was put a little flame to the kindling. Dollars to donuts with or without her approval she had people from her campaign behind most of the Obama smears spreading through the news blogs. McCain’s people paid close attention and have no problems using the same tactics. If the opponent is clearly the better choice for America and you know it then lie and cheat your way past him. That seems to be the new American way.

Obama is friends with,
Oprah
His Grandmother
George Clooney
Paul Volcker
Tim Kaine
Hillary Clinton
Chuck Hagel
and on and on and on.

PUMA is fake.

Yeah, watch us fake it at the polls on Election Day.
PUMA!

For god’s sake. All of this bickering about what shoulda coulda happen during the primary season is water under the bridge. It’s now about Mccain and Obama. If you can get over your hatred, you need to figure out which one of these canidates can lead this country out of this fog that currently persist. Clear your conscience and your head and stop looking backwards. look to the future. God bless us all…

100% american can you tell me why if you have a drop of african american blood you are considered african american. That really needs to change, because then most white americans walkig around are probably black. I bet if we dig far enough I bet we couldnt find that indeed that many people have a little black blood in them. Obama is an american no doubts about that still not sure why its okay for him to call his grandmother typical white but not okay for bill to say jesse won south carolina also. Yeah I know Obama supporters tell me that Obama’s statement was over blown but they still havent said why its okay

Rachel,
Talking about his grandmother was an experience he has had as a child. I didn’t view it as a bad thing. He was just pointing out his own personal experience of people being afraid of blacks even though they are not racist. He was saying we have alot of problems and we still have alot of work to do to get over our racial problems. Bill Clinton is not a racist. He tried to inject race into the campaign with his Jesse Jackson comment. But he is not a racist. Obama is in a unique position to talk about race more openly because he is both black and white.

I think American’s a so skeptical of Obama because they see that the media is in the tank for him and will overlook anything and everything to get him elected. I believe that his birth certificate is a fraud and will be exposed before the election.

What happened during the primaries between Obama and Clinton supporters is now water under the bridge. For the good of all americans, we need to clear our heads and look at Mccain and Obama and make an intelligent decision about which canidate can lead this country back to prominence. Vote 08…

Phew, glad Clinton didn’t take that advice. As for the whole Middle Class in Middle America, well Hillary already used that fact in her memoirs and speeches long before running for Prez. Penn was way OVER PAID.

CHATTAWAY AND SARA
please stop spewing rush limbaugh and fox news lies!!!!!!!!!

IRAQ VET
Didnt you know what puma stands for
PEOPLE UNDER MCCAIN ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!

angie I do watch, and he cleary embraces the the historic impact of his canidacy like he said in one debate its great to have the first woman, african american and john running for president he can’t have it both ways he can transend race or he can embrace it. If you want to be first african american president fine but how much impact can daddy have had on you when he left you at 3? and if you want to transend race please for goodness sakes don’t talk call your granny a typical white person when she helped raise your butt, cause in actuallity during that time there are a lot of “typical whites” who would have disowned their children giving birth to a non white, to this day I wont forget how when my little brother who is mixed piture suddenly got moved to the back of the mantel of his white grandparents house when he starting getting a little color to him. My mom has been on welfare, her mom couldnt help her honestly Obama didnt have it so bad, I would say Bill Clinton probabaly had it worse when he was growing up.

It has been pointed out to me that prior to 1986, someone born abroad was a U.S. citizen only if both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth. Since Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen (he was Kenyan), he actually cannot claim citizenship by jus sanguinis, only by jus soli with Hawaii considered a state. Again, I still don’t think this will have any actual effect on his eligibility, since the U.S. considers Hawaii a state, but in fact if you follow the legal argument that Hawaii is an occupied country and the U.S. has never legally acquired Hawaii, the logical consequence is that Obama is not a natural-born citizen by either place or parentage, and is not actually eligible for the presidency.

Angie you know what I will concede that Obama is not racist, but my question still lies in the double standard as why its okay for him to say certian things and other people cant? I think as soon as we let go of the double standard, like people protesting fox for calling michelle Obama obama’s baby momma(which was wrong) but Luda’s song black president which calls hillary a b will probably be the next big hit in rap the better we will be as american people.

“It has been pointed out to me that prior to 1986, someone born abroad was a U.S. citizen only if both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth”
LOL that is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard. Is this really the only way you can bring Obama down? You’re wasting your time. Really you are. I’m trying to help you out.

And what’s so great about Mark Penn’s background and values? He’s a lobbyist and, as we all know, lobbyist’s value only one thing – money. Not much of a character reference.

is it novemeber yet? I want this election over. While people continue to demonize the Clintons Obama gets no vetting. Obama supporters are so vile and I dont know why their canidate won, and the meida is not dooing their job.
Posted by: rachel
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OK Ladies and Gentlmen…Everyone has vented off.
Now lets get back to business. These endless
discussions are exactly what the opponent wants!
Distraction, confusion, and division. The only way
he will win is to have the democrats break into
splinters. History is on his side because this has
happened in a large number of previous elections.
Time will heal wounds, remember only Democrats
have hearts of gold. We need all your energies to
focus on winning!

Rachel
I listened to that speech obama made about his granny and he said he loved her very much, And was thankful for her rasing him but did not like the way she spoke about black people i have a cousin that is half white and black and she goes through the same thing whites talking about blacks and blacks talking about whites and she HATES IT her mom is white and dad is black and she likes BOTH COLORS, As far as obama being bad off he wasnt born with a silver spoon, but i do belive his grandparents were a little well off he worked his way through school and on scholarships as far as bill i would say he was a little better off than obama.

maybe that was his way of letting his grandmother off the hook for saying things that hurt his feelings? its a typical white response.
people love to pick threw what everyone says with a fine tooth comb but to me it would make perfect sense that somethings he would have heard from her he also heard or seen in other white people.
it doesnt take to much common sense to know children in that day were taught not to trust african americans and so even though they know its wrong doesnt mean its not always in the back of their head.

Obama’s so-called un-American characteristics are to my mind are the very best thing about him. He is young, a tad short on experience — but he is worldly in ways that no other presidential candidate since Thomas Jefferson has been. They certainly are what attracted me to support him more than a year ago. I hasten to add that I am near 70 yr old WASP grandma — and I like to think that I still have enough of my marbles to recognize that Americans had better take out some time to rethink their values.
“… O brave new world that hath such people in it ….” Time for every one to be brave and sludge forward and to cherish the past, but also to let go of it.

Obama in politics for 11 years and discovers “change” and “no more politics” of old. His pastor and church tells the real story. Obama has values, not the values our country needs…

as all puma’s know, bho is not only unfit to be potus, he will be shown to be ineligible to run based on dual citizenships, and/or natural citizenship….the other shoe will soon drop.

Obama’s colleagues (Dems and Reps) at the Congress call him a Con They do not hesitate to tell this to reporters as well, however, most of the reporters are FEARFUL and hide the TRUTH about Obama. Why the reporters are so afraid of Obama??? I am just curious.
Obama is a CON-MAN. Beware!!!

Life in Hawaii does not limit one’s access to fundamental American values. In fact, the story of Hawaii has contributed to the strengthening of core American values. It put to the test the very ideals we cherish. America would not be what it is today without the history and culture of Hawaii.

angie I forgot to add, I am not sure which is better growing up without a father or with an alcholic father. I for one would be happy if Obama and Bill could get it together because they really have somewhat similar backgrounds.

I’m a Hillary Clinton supporter. However I will be voting for Obama this November. Country before party. Obama’s voting record and platform are pretty much the same as Hillary. I’m voting for my kid’s future.

BO is the media’s choice, my choice will be anybody except “The One” on election day.
******* PUMA, now more than ever ******

Remember, we must choose who ever we think would be able to provide leadership in all facets of America. Not just war. I am appalled that people cannot let go of the racism which is instilled in their very fiber. This, to me, means in any ethnic community. Senator Obama is a breath of fresh air after the war mongers like Bush and McCain!

Senator Hillary Clinton knocked herself down and showed that she did not really have a clue about effective campaigning to Americans who are tired of the same innuendos and character assassination she used along with her trusted advisor, former Pres. Bill Clinton. She seems to think that by knocking others down it will make her look good. Where are her American values? Aparently fairness, intelligent dialog, and the presentation of ideas were not a part of her strategy!

Supposed PUMA people: If Obama loses there is no way Hillary will win in 2012. In the Democratic Primary you need the black vote to win and Hillary won’t get the black vote. She won’t even be the only woman because Sebillius from Kansas will probably run as well. But of course this is all moot when Obama is President.

Hilary Clinton got what she deserved – to lose! The majority went for Sen. Obama because he has something to offer which will make a difference! Hilary Clinton would have done what ever it takes to win—ethical or not! Her lies about Bosnia really were an insult to the American people. I could never vote for a chronic liar like her who is supported by another chronic liar, Bill Clinton, “I did not have sex with that woman!” They would have made America the laughing stock of the world!

“Supposed PUMA people: If Obama loses there is no way Hillary will win in 2012. In the Democratic Primary you need the black vote to win and Hillary won’t get the black vote. She won’t even be the only woman because Sebillius from Kansas will probably run as well. But of course this is all moot when Obama is President.”
Not any more, we (blacks) are the “new” minority. Next time around, both parties will be courting the Hispanic vote. By the way, has anyone told you that Obama will win because he has 90% of the black vote? How many of those black votes did Kerry have?
PUMA!

Sara “will be voting for Obama this November. Country before party. Obama’s voting record and platform are pretty much the same as Hillary. I’m voting for my kid’s future.”
What voting record? He wrote down “Present” for almost all issues up for a vote in all his 143 days as Senator. Jellyfish have more spine than this clown.
Go ahead and vote for The One. Unfortunately your kids will learn it’s ok to straddle the fence, and not have a single conviction strong enough to develop their character or individuality.

This election is amazing. Those who don’t vote for Obama are racist. Those who don’t support Hillary Clinton are sexist. Those who don’t support McCain are age prejudiced. Amazing. … … Neither Obama or Clinton have served one day in uniform yet think they know more about war than generals who have spent a lifetime gaining training and experience. … Knowing that 73% of the American people and the US Supreme Court support the Second Amendment in it’s broadest interpretation, Clinton and Obama both still support circumvention of the Second Amendment, ignoring the Constitution, Supreme Court and basic democracy. … Hillary authored a bill which Obama supported that would give health care and other aid to illegal aliens. Both support amnesty, open borders and NAFTA. … Obama wants higher taxes, another stimulus giveaway and more welfare. None of which has worked in the past. … McCain won’t be a great president, maybe not even a good one. He will be much better than Obama or Clinton.

Obama has nothing to offer but higher taxes, higher food prices, higher gas prices, a lower standard of living, a bunch of give away government programs and a weakened military.

It would have been good if clinton could have been Obama’s vp, that no longer possible too much tension. Any other vp that he selects anything negative will be reflected on Obama, that wouldnt have been the case with Clinton, unlike kaine, selibous, biden, anything Hillary said would have been attributed to herself. She would have been the perfect attack dog had tensions not escalated. Obama says that Hillary will be in the forfront of any healthcare strides his adminstration makes, I am not sure I believe him. I think that once he wins the Presidency its see ya later Hill.

again, this is all moot. bho will be shown to be inelegible to run for potus based on among other things his citizenship.

LeeLee, it’s too late for Len, he’s already been assimilated into the ranks of brainwashed Obamabots. For them, there is no hope.

Nothing has made me more happy than to see Hillary Clinton lose. Now nothing would make me more happy than to see Obama lose. I love how Democrats eat each other. McCain is the worst candidate the GOP came up with and now the Democrats are eating each other. I love it!

Obama/Edwards in ?
PUMA is reality !

I studied Obama’s church. It just like every other church. They worship a man and believe in fairy tales. Churches suck and every politician should not be allowed to attend any church. It clouds reality from fiction thus causing irrational decisions.

IRAQ vet – Thanks for asking, but my husband, who is 6’4 and 200lbs told me to tell you “no” he doesn’t need your damn shoulder to cry on and as a former member of the military, you should NOT be asking men that question. Something about the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.
PUMA!

Rachel; You were an awesome read on these posts. You stayed decent, focused and stuck to your point of the “Double Standard” being part of the injustice and problem for a lot of Dems.

LeeLee,
Look here sugar…you’ve been crying more than my 4 year old niece. I’m always here for you if you need me. I’m sure your husband is a fine man and all but I am here to support you. I’m a Democrat. That’s what we do.

Graham, how do you know Obama didn’t mark that box? Where can I read that other than your post? It’s very interesting if that is a fact.

Actually everything Graham has stated is true. It’s the reason alot of people like Obama.
He did NOT state he was black on his application to Harvard Law. That is a fact that can be verified. I think the NY Times had a story on it.

So A, you attack Clinton and Obama supporters……See people, these are the ones creating deeper tensions between the Dems….

Honest John Edwards endorses Obama. Opps, John Edwards is now under the bus.
One more of Obama’s frieds bite the dust.
It’s PUMA time.

Iraq Vet; does your wife support an Obama/Clinton ticket?

To Irma and Iraq vet Obama didn’t have to state he was african american.
He got into harvard on his essay how he as an african american worked with inner city kids back in chicago.
He did mention he was african american.
He had it in his essay.
He got into columbia also because of affirmative action.
Obama wants to keep reverse discrimination going.
To Iraq vet are you in favor of affirmative action. Obama wants to elect supreme court judges that keep it going at our colleges.
To Iraq vet Obama calls ICE agents terrorists for electing illegals.

Get the Clintons out. Barack is the new Democracy. The Clintons never contributed anything but problems!
Go Barack!

@IRAQ vet -
Your poor wife, sleeping with the enemy! Lol.
Let us know if you bring her around to your way of thinking.
I have been blogging for months now and it looks like none of us, Hillary, Obama, or McCain Supporters, have changed one mind! In essence, we have been at a stalemate for months. Maybe it is time we all dug a foxhole and crawled in or just go ahead and wave a white flag of surrender to each other, nah, we would NEVER do that! :D
PUMA!

Okay, Okay A; I made a mistake. You’re PUMA. That’s okay. I have had a man for 18 years now and he sides with me about the injustice we witnessed against WOMEN. He also happens to be a very intellectually gifted man, not making this up, just bragging.

Coup of the century!!!
This is looking like a supreme PR strategy where Obama isn’t intended to win the nomination.
Obama fever is seeming cannon fodder to draw scrutiny away from Sen. Clinton and contrast her strengths as a candidate. It appears that without a suitable weaker democratic opponent Sen. Clinton has had to many vulnerabilities. (Whitewater, Bill, etc)
Contrasted against Obama’s urban culture of hate against white America Sen. Clinton looks like Mother Teresa.
Sen. Clinton contrasted against Sen. Obama after a convention coup makes her electable and a “Comeback Kid.”
The RNC & Hillary campaign have 2000+ pages of opposition research on Obama and no doubt Hillary has an “August Surprise” for Obama.
We still have to get past Obama’s birth certificate, allegations of recent drug use, and alleged Michelle Obama “whitey” video.
Not to mention Obama is losing ground with the jewish vote over an Israeli perception of a necessary “strike” against Iran’s nuclear program.
A possible “October Surprise” by the Bush administration either in Afghanistan or Iran makes Hillary look like the stronger Democrat candidate.
If you send someone to battle as “Cannon Fodder” can you tell them they are the “”Cannon Fodder?”
If the Clinton’s leak oppo research of decent proportion they could potentially turn delegates and the American public against Obama at a crucial time of a vote and sweep the convention.

I’m a bit miffed that HC did not take the advice to go after Obama’s Un-Americanism. I had never felt regret about making a lot of financial sacrifice for her until this news came out.

our country is funny how every race except blacks are allowed to support each other regardless of facts….its great reading this blog and sharing ideas with other AMERICANS but at this point im done my mother and father always told me “dont argue with folks about religion or politics” besides i gotta get up and work on history lesson plans so i can teach obamas kids at the university of chicago in the fall…..peace and love…oh yeah i didnt mean to hurt anyones personal feelings please forgive if i did….

Clinton won more primary delegates where all the people can vote. People in the military, people who work on shifts. Where the most people can vote. Obama won the contests that restrict the people voting who work on shifts or are in the military or are elderly and can’t travel far. Obama won the caucuses where text messaging activists showed up. Clinton won the texas primary where everyone voted while Obama won the caucus.

To JJ McCain sacrificed for his country.
McCain flew fighter pilots.
Obama is terrible with numbers.
Obama says 57 states.
Obama says 100 million died in Burma.
Obama says 10,000 died in a tornado in Kansas.
Obama did get affirmative action he got poor grades at Columbia and got into harvard.
Obama was 30 when he was in harvard law.
McCain was a teenager at the navy academy Obama as a teenager when to Occidental College and then was able to transfer to Columbia and got poor grades at Columbia.
McCain was tested at 130 IQ in the navy and flew planes. Obama is terrible with numbers and could never have flown planes.

JJ McCain was a teenager in the Navy Academy.
Obama as a teenager did terrible in school.
Obama waited a decade to go into harvard law.
Obama was 31 at Harvard law competing against people a decade younger.
Easy to do well when you are 30 competing against kids.

Jock Obama wouldn’t allow Michigan and Florida to hold revotes.
He knew Clinton would crush him there.
Obama is an illegitimate candidate.
Clinton won she got the most votes. She was robbed by the party bosses who didn’t why to deny the african arab american candidate even though he got less votes.
Obama won the superdelegates while Clinton won the real voters by 300,000 votes.

@ Sam:
Obama NOW wants to give Florida and Michigan FULL votes, not the half votes they got from the DNC. Now, this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out, because, Obama changed the rules. During the primaries, he wouldn’t have even considered giving Florida and Michigan full votes because he would have lost the nomination. Now, that he is the presumptious nominee, he feels he can change the rules yet again. I still think this convention is going to be full of suprises and the greatest surprise will be on Obama. The division in the Democrats is to wide and deep this year, the GOP will win in November. Obama’s popularity, flip=flopping, weak agenda and plans will not be enough for the Dems to take the White House.

K yeah real important how someone does as a teenager at the navy academy.
McCain was able to pass flight school which is very hard.
I guarantee you Obama could never pass flight school he is illiterate when it comes to math.

Navy Academy is very competitive McCain’s son has a 3.3 GPA and is very low in his class.
They also don’t grade on a curve like other schools. There is no grade inflation there.

Not intending to brag, but I would have done a better job than Mark Penn. The fact is, Obama’s values are a curious set of values that are not common to the middle or working class, but more in line with the “aristocratic left”, which by and large has become quite arrogant as they tremble with the trappings of potential power, the MoveOn Mafia and the like. Perhaps an aristocratic, arrogant attitude represents American values, but I don’t really think so.
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The inevitable Obama, think about it.
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“Navy Academy is very competitive McCain’s son has a 3.3 GPA and is very low in his class.”
So? So is Harvard. Excuses is all I ever hear from the GOP.

“The inevitable Obama, think about it.”
Bingo. That’s why Hillary lost. She assumed she was the winner. That was an insult to the voters. When she was losing is when she did better but it was too late.
And now the PUMAs are making the same mistake. You think you’re helping Hillary by acting the way you are but Democrats won’t forget your pathetic attitudes and Hillary will never win.

The # 1 priority for Democrats this year isn’t the economy, it isn’t gas prices, it isn’t healthcare, it isn’t even education. This is taken straight from the Democratic Party Platform — “33 The Democratic Party believes that there is no more important priority than renewing
34 American leadership on the world stage. This will require diplomatic skill as capable as
35 our military might. Instead of refusing to confront our most pressing threats, we will use
36 all elements of American power to keep us safe, prosperous and free. Instead of
37 alienating our nation from the world, we will enable America –once again –to lead.” I don’t want my children to be saying — boy, the Europeans sure do like us — I want my children to be safe, well fed, well educated, and have a higher standard of living than me. America first — even if that means country before party.

To many, Mark Penn may have seemed like an incompetent version of Carl Rove.
The selection of Mark Penn was poison for Clinton’s presidential aspirations because it was seen by many Democrats as a sign of the kind of morally bankrupt and Machiavellian staff that she might choose to surround herself with if she became president.

Obama just went through the longest primary ever. He’s human you idiots. I guess seeing old relatives like great-grandmothers isn’t important to some of you. But to a person with family values it is.

Irma, you’re right, I’m sorry. Its late.

Hey J,
I’m no PUMA but I support LeeLee 100 per cent, she is one of the most dignified supporters of Democracy I’ve ever encountered on this blog. If she believes that PUMA is the right pursuit, she is definitely deserving.
That being said, the point about the “inevitable” Obama is exactly what it is, I agree with you in part, it was a Mark Penn mistake to create Hillary’s aura of inevitability. Obama’s campaign has done exactly the same thing for the general, and it will no doubt backfire.
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Obama cannot possibly lose, right?
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Harvard was recently forced to change its honor system to reflect the practices at other colleges — in 2001 a record 91% of Harvard students graduated cum laude, magna cume laude, or summa cum laude. Google it if you want to read more about the scandal. But, needless to say, honors at Harvard mean very little. The real test for a law student is getting published — the real test for a professor is getting published. Unfortunately, though, Obama never published any academic articles.

No Problem David in Texas. I am sleepy too so good night and take care. I do hope the DEMS unite in a very real way. Obama/Clinton ’08-UNITY. I know people are going to lash out at me now, so perfect time to avoid the abuse. Good night….

Obama acting like the inevitable? He’s trying to make history…this ain’t going to be easy.
Hillary was up by 20 points…Obama does not have that luxury. He knows he’s in for a dog fight.

JJ,
I would expect a maverick to end up closer to the bottom of the class than the top. I would expect a) a book worm, or b) a brown noser, or c) an extremely poor person that has to pay their own way, and work twice as hard as the rest of us to end up at the top of their class. Obama was not the C case, he was either A, or B. In any case, this has exactly zero bearing on his capability to lead.

“When will the Democrats realize that Senator Obama will not win in November? ”
First of all Obama has had a consistent lead in the polls. Second of all we knew the risks with Obama. We still want to take the risks because Obama could potentially become one of the best Presidents. All of these attacks on Obama were the same attacks leveled against Ronald Reagan. This idea that he’s just a celebrity was leveled at Reagan. The attacks that he’s just a good speaker was leveled at Reagan as well. If America can look past differences and seek a leader than Obama is the obvious choice.

Yes, Harvard has changed the requirements for latin honors because their grade inflation was notorious. In 2001, 91% of the class received latin honors — other Ivy league schools were complaining because it put their students at a disadvantage. It doesn’t make a difference what it is today — it matters what it was when Obama graduated. But that is besides the point — what matters on law review is publishing and what matters as a professor is publishing. Look at almost any professor’s CV. especially a law professor, and you will see article after article. That is curiously missing from Obama’s resume.

The central problem with the americans is that they don’t get the connection between “military might is right” ideology and its debilitating affects on domestic infra structure and economy.
This is apparently so by polls that show the number 1 issue for americans now is the economy and that the Iraq war is second. . . . as if the two are mutually exclusive.
But the current phony war has treaded on, or has now depleted over 1 trillion dollars of tax payer funded U.S. treasury; triggered disruption in oil markets ; has connections to the international food crisis and has directly caused inflation and economic constriction here this year, massive casualities notwithstanding.
Relax, the public intellectuals don’t get it yet either or at least are not allowed to talk about it on the Belt Way shows.
Meanwhile, you people act as if saluting the flag and shutting up and never investigating what alternative meanings of patriotism might exist and that might be apparent in your own nation’s history–that incidentally have been identified as “populist,” not “aristocratic liberal left”–is all that is required of your civic duties.
Therefore, you will ride your military hero worship all the way down into the gutter of despotism along with the rest of the nation, and the Pentagon will be happy to let you do it because the harder work of realizing Constitutional principles and running an effective Republic have a nasty habit of being resilient to your guns and machismo if you ever woke up to realize the error of your ways and the true power that you, “the people” possess.

Hillary should have followed Penn’s advice!
He was right……….and still is!
Obama is no American in terms of experience or values.
I voted for Hillary, because of these very concerns.
MCCAIN IS THE ONLY TRUE AMERICAN NOW IN THE RACE.
WE MUST CHOOSE A TRUE AMERICAN FOR OUR PRESIDENT… MCCAIN 08′

The reason I will not vote for Obama is because he said that he 1)would raise the capital gains tax even if ncreasing the tax rate did not result in any increased revenue for the federal government and that he 2) would raise the capital gains tax rate even if it stifled economic growth. Obama said that the current low capital gains tax rate is unfair. That means that Obama thinks Americans who sell their homes should pay higher taxes — even though the housing market is in a huge decline. That means that Obama thinks retirees taking disbursements from their retirement accounts should pay higher taxes — even though prices on food and gas are going through the roof. That means Obama thinks that businesses should give more of their profits to the government — even though they are struggling to stay in business because consumer confidence is low — and reinvest less money in their capital improvements. To me, that sounds like a recipe for economic disaster disguised as a fair tax policy.

Since when is Hawaii not part of the United States?

Hillary deserves a roll call vote says Eighteen Million Voters! That’s the way it is supposed to go down but it’s just one more thing Obama needs to CHANGE to get himself SELECTED. What makes him think he above anyone? This election process has been more contrived and controlled than 2004 and everyone is just letting him take over- The DNC move, His 747 all pimped out with his lazy-boy throne embroidered with “President” already embroidered on it and his very own ObamaStalin emblem painted on the tail minus the flag- thinks he’s gonna be on a dollar bill- Rolling Stone wasn’t good enough for him- Oh, No.

The Real Democrats are Hillary Clinton supporters. I don’t don’t where those “other ones” came from. I just hope they disappear after Hillary’s name is put in nomination as it should be.

Obama’s tactics and techniques were words used in repetitive motivational speeches, with high persuasion as mind conditioning and mind manipulation on the American people.
Along with slogans, catch phrases to be used as reinforcements in ads, and statements to keep it working.
That along with evil attacks and vile smear campaigns against his opponents. Appeasement and using peoples values, rights and feelings against them, in a high sales marketing and PR plan.
Using Peoples minds with marketing of the reinforcements is the winning combination Obama used. Uniting the Black community in Solidarity, Campaigning in Churches across the land, Getting volunteers and staff to take people to register, Doing everything needed to help people register. The churches outreach programs registered people and take them to vote. To insure the vote in the highest populated areas.
Hillary used good old Fashion Campaigning, with Presenting Her ideas, her strategies and how she was going to accomplish them, them with facts, data and having the background to show she could and would.
She received the majority of Democratic votes.
With out resorting to brainwashing, Campaigning in churches, and dragging people to register and vote.
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My most startling memory of Ohio Primaries is when obama, kept open polls, reopened polls in the highest populated areas of Black voters. In Cleveland actually picking 3 particular polling places to reopen. That was the biggest travesty of the election process I have ever seen in my life.
When every one in the area was affected by an ice storm. Not all were treated equal.

“It’s her clean and straight forward campaign that makes the choice of superdelegates so wrong. If two candidates tie, you select the best one. The candidate with most character. That candidate was Hillary Clinton.”
That is a just an outright, blatant lie. It amazes me how truly delusional you people are. That 3am AD was one of many negative attacks from the Clinton campaign painting Obama as naive, was released without prompt from Obama. Once again, as I’ve seen thousands of times in this election, baseless claims come flying from Clinton and McCain supporters, with no facts to justify.

who is american?

Clinton’s end strategy worked. The positive Hillary. JOB JOB JOB Hillary worked. The negative campaigning failed miserably and if John McCain watched the Democratic primary he would know so.
Negative campaigning doesn’t work as good at it used to anymore. When people are losing their jobs and homes the last thing they want is a politician comparing his opponent to Paris Hilton or Britney Spears.

Obama will be the Democratic Party’s nominee, because he won more pledged delegates, those determined by the outcomes of primaries and caucuses, than Clinton did. It was NOT a tie. Obama won with super-delegates. Obama would have won had they’re been NO super-delegates. He won fair and square, and all the whining in the world will not change that.

So the tactic this week while Obama is in Hawaii is to dedicate the cycle to more deconstruction of Hillary Clinton and using that retrospective to outline strategies that appear to have failed as a means of ensuring those strategies can’t be questioned when used by Obama and will be questioned if used against him?
That’s backspin, folks. How does it help if Obama is still running against the Clintons? It keeps McCain off the front page while Obama wind surfs.

One thing that is becoming more than clear to me is that these PUMA nuts are probably really Rush Limbaugh puppets. I really believe these are the guys who he suggested such switch as registered republicans and register democrats to get Hillary elected as they felt she would not really have a good chance at beating McCain/McBush. Additionally, if they were truly Clinton loyalist, why haven’t they gotten her out of debt? You know if all of the 18 million supporters would just donate .55 cents each they would get their “saviour” out of debt. So with all their noise making apparently they haven’t even donated .55 Cents let alone a dollar to help her out. So it’s apparent that they really weren’t for Clinton, they were just against Obama. So who cares if they support Obama or not. I was told a long time ago that you can never miss what you never had. Obama never had their support so they are inconsequential. I think one thing they have done is given someone doing psychological research on people with political delusions an excellent pool of people to study. Additionally, some PUMA/AH suggested going to SNOPES.COM to prove that Obama has lied about a lot of things. I visited that site and it proved just the opposite. Obama has been truthful and upfront about everything that he’s said through out the campaign. PUMA – What losers – LITERALLY!

Maybe, if you so-called hard ball democrats believe in that type of campaigning, you could have used it in California to help Grey davis over Arnold Scharwtzenneger.It behoves me how asinine and self destructive you democrats are.You destroy your own, and give the republicans whips and sticks to bruise your backs, and when Carl Rove and the swift boats come at you you have no defense or cover. Is that any way to win an election? Thankfully Mark Penn and his like are now on their way to the dinosuars house as political relics of the past.Have’nt you heard that the republicans were thinking about amending the constitution so that A.S the governor of california, a naturalised citizen could run for President? How wise are you democrats to attack a natural born Citizen? Fools!

I look forward to McCain gaining even more momentum after Labor Day. The Obamessiah is melting.

America is part of the international community. I love that Obama has a unique background and upbringing. This reflects many Americans – including me. I’m a white republican Military Brat (sound like some other candidate?). I think Obama is better suited to represent us on the World Stage.

For Our Buddy Obama, the Workin’ Class Hero

The Working Man’s Party Glenn Thrush, 7 Worrisome Signs for Obama Steve Mitchell, The Obama/Wright/Kilpatrick Collision Jake Tapper, Top Clinton Adviser Wanted to Go After Obama as Lacking American Roots and Values Green Day, Workin’ Class Hero!

Rev Wright, Father plfeger, Jessie jackson
All were members of Obama campaign team.
All close personal friends of his.
You tell me they all said, sent memos, made phones calls, saying nice things about White people, Jewish people, Most elected officials, that was not racial, demeaning, hateful and down right wrong.
Obama himself used race against everyone.
Obama lied to the American people saying wright never said those things in church or in private and he did not know any of them. after being caught came back and said he did. with out an apology for lying or any remorse, he just turned around and called Americans racist with his slavery speech.
Were these people Rev Wright, Father plfeger, Jessie jackson,used to make Obama look like a good guy?
Obama and axelrod are Chicago boys and they play dirty that is where they learn politics and dirty tricks.
Let’s see some of their memo’s
They would probably would make the world irate.