Aug 22, 2008 12:17am

What Should McCain Have Said?

Running for Congress in 1982, John McCain was repeatedly assailed as a carpetbagger.

Which he pretty much was.

At a candidates forum when the matter was brought up yet again, McCain responded abruptly, telling his rival, "Listen, pal. I spent 22 years in the Navy. My grandfather was in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move a lot. We have to live in all parts of the country, all parts of the world. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of growing up and living and spending my entire life in a nice place like the first district of Arizona, but I was doing other things. As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi."

It was a devastating remark. In Worth the Fighting For, McCain (and Mark Salter) wrote: "Looking back, I think the race was effectively over right then. I had stunned the audience and finally put to rest the one nagging vulnerability that was still clouding my prospects. But I didn’t know that then. I was just mad and had taken a swing."

My question, regarding McCain’s how-many-houses-do-I-own scandal, is: What should he have said to head off this controversy at the pass?

My suggestion would have been: ‘Truth is, I don’t own any of them, really. Most, if not all of them, are in Cindy’s name.  She’s a great businesswoman whose family has been very blessed, and I am lucky to be able to enjoy their fruits. But ever since I joined the Navy I’ve been employed by pretty much just the government, as either a sailor or a public official, so I wouldn’t personally be able to afford any of them. None of the homes were paid for by me. I have had a few best-sellers, but I gave all that money to charity.’

It would have been better than what he said, I think.

Or maybe not.

What would have been your suggestion?

- jpt

User Comments

What McCain should have said is that nothing I own was bought with the help of a convicted felon. Can Obama say the same thing?

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am

Peach, as was pointed out to you on another board, yes he can. There was no convicted felon involved in the purchase of Obama’s home. Repitition does not endow your comment with truth.
McCain should have just said ‘who cares’ and then pointed to something he planned to do for ordinary people. I cant think of anything he has proposed that falls into that category though.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am

He should have answered it but he was one on one doing a phone interview and probably thought they could fill it in later. It’s NOT the most important thing going through a Presidential candidates mind…..but yes, he should have said Cindy owns alot of properties and I will get back to you on the exact number. Or maybe his name is on only 3 of the properties, and she is on 4….whatever….I JUST WANT THEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
NOBAMA, EVER!
McCAIN ’08/HILLARY ’12

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am

He could have said this
I married very well and after those years in Hanoi I consider myself a very lucky human being.
And while I am a very lucky man who owns several homes which are carefully tended by my wife and our accountants, I know that most Americans are having a tough time paying just one mortgage and my goal as POTUS is to change that.

Posted by: i am so I can!!!! | August 22, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am

Yes, Peach, Obama can. Read the facts, not the spin.
“…whose family has been very blessed…”?!?! Considering some of the run-ins Cindy’s father had with the government about his distributorship, I think I’d drop that.
Just leave it at the truth: Cindy bought a bunch of houses, some for her and John to use, some for their kids use. Which is why John wasn’t sure how to count them.

Posted by: Tom J | August 22, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

I don’t think your suggestion for McCain would have really helpful in that most Americans do not think of their money as his and hers. Most couples in America could not relate to that answer as the average family pools their 2 paychecks just to make the bills. He might have tried explaining a nuptial agreement, again most of America could not understand that as when most become a couple, it is with love and TRUST. Most will not see it as his or her property but since he reaps the benefit of the riches, as their property.

Posted by: aw | August 22, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

Mike -
McCain has told you what he plans on doing for Americans. Not taxing them to death for one. Drilling for another. Letting the free markets work. Maybe you aren’t listening or don’t like the message, but let’s not pretend he doesn’t have ideas on the economy.
And to poster I am so I can: I like your answer; it would have been perfect.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

Mike – Sorry — I typed your name into the Poster Name box.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

Tom – Obama most certainly cannot say he purchased his house without the help of a convicted felon. He’s admitted he showed poor judgment and it was a mistake, why can’t you admit it?

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am

So Mike, you are saying that McCain should tell people that he’ll give them more of what they’ve been getting the last eight years? That’ll go over like a lead balloon.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

What McCain should have said is he didn’t buy any homes from people who were under investigation at the time by the U.S attorney’s office.
Obama got a sweet heart land deal when Rezko was under investigation by Fitzgerald.
Rezko saved Obama 300 grand.
This is not presidential leadership.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

Cindy McCain got a prenup.
Her aunt lives in one of those condos.
The trust fund pays the mortgage to the condo where the aunt lives.
4 other condos were just recently invested and controlled by a trust fund.
In another condo the daughter lives.
McCain before the campaign lived in washington and would also live in the ranch.
He has never been to almost all these condos where the aunt lives and are controlled by trust fund of Cindy’s money.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am

Obama at a billionaire’s home at a San Francisco fundraier disses small town america.
Obama says small town america clings to guns and god.
Obama disses small town america for being anti trade.
Obama disses small town america for being racist and and anti immigrant.

Posted by: Jeff | August 22, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am

Obama wrote 14 letters for Rezko to get him 14 million in government funds.
Rezko was under investigation and Obama decided to do a land deal with him.
How is that presidential leadership?
Rezko way back in 2003 was in the chicago papers for being a crook.
Rezko was under investigation for curroption in many cases and this is who Obama does a land deal with.
What hypocracy someone who did a land deal with Rezko while he was under investigation shouldn’t be throwing stones at anyone.
The way this election is covered by the MSM is a travesty. You people are like Pravda in Russia.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am

McCLAIN actually said the RIGHT THING -
Because it gave NObama the opportunity to raise the “HOME” card !!
McCAIN’s Roberts stated it best regarding NObama:
“Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?”
This gives McCAIN the opportunity to expose REZKO and ALL of NObama’s “PAST and Present Adventures in Chicago Politics”: esp. with Rezko, CAC, Ayers, Wright, Farrakahn, Pfleger, Dohrn, Sharpton et al…
Stay tuned – should be very enlightening
In fact – there is already a hard-hittng McCAIN ad regarding NObama-Rezko !!
McCLAIN or Hillary in ‘08

Posted by: CJB in CA | August 22, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

jpt,
McCain should have said the truth. Which he DID.
These are not business properties owned by Cindy McCain. They are places that the McCain family members stay at.
If John McCain doesn’t know about Cindy McCain’s affairs in getting homes for their family, he has much much bigger problems that just being out of touch with us Americans.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

It does point out that McCain has a life experience that bears little relationship to Middle America.
I think it is about time to bring up McCains involvement with Charles Keating and the Lincoln Savings and Loan Scandal:
After McCain’s election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating’s expense, three of which were to Keating’s Bahamas retreat. Even though he was required to, McCain did not disclose the trips until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights.
And in April 1986, one year before McCain met with the regulators who were investigating Keating, McCain’s wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 22, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

Dan and Peach, get your facts straight. You dont even know who he bought from. You are not going to convince anybody by making stuff up.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

Rezko was shown to be a crook in 2003.
Three years later in 2006 when Rezko was had been in the papers as a crook for three years Obama does a land deal with him.
Rezko was under investigation and in front of the grand jury in several cases and Obama does a land deal with him.
Unreal any other politician would have had their career ended.
And then Obama has the nerve to attack about real estate.
Barry O the hypocrtite Rezko fraud.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

BTW, Rezko is scheduled to be sentenced to Federal Prison one week before the election…
McCAIN or Hillary ’08

Posted by: CJB in CA | August 22, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

Mike – who do you think you’re kidding? One need only google Tony Rezko+Obama to see that Obama himself admitted his mistake. Why can’t you admit he made a mistake?

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am

Mike,
Obama did a land deal with Rezko while he was under investigation.
For Obama to attack McCain on real estate is absurd.
McCain and his wife had a pre nup and have separate finances.
Obama wears ten thousand dollar suits and his supporters make fun of McCain’s shoes. Obama wears shoes at lot more than 520 dollars.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am

Dan….that needs to be addressed and put out there for public consumption. How many of us, if our spouses had multiple properties with family money, would know every property? If he had said the wrong number they would have been all over that.
How about Obama make a deal with McCain for his brother to rent one of the condos since he’s living in a grass hut on $l.25 a day….and Obama doesn’t believe in charity begins at home?
Kinda nice McCain isn’t keeping a tally of all Cindy’s real estate as he isn’t looking to profit from any of it himself.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am

You know RJ if McCain hadn’t been trying his hardest to make the campaign all about trivialities, he could have just said ‘look nobody cares about this, ask me something that matters.’ However, because of the kind of campaign he is running, he can’t do that.
The next step is that the RNC is going to push some minor triviality coming out of the Democratic Party convention that is apropos of nothing, and try to get the press to bat it around and around.
I hate to be the one to say it but McCain was just asking for this kind of treatment in the press. If he is ready to grow up and talk about issues, then the press could be forced to end this type of nonsense.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

Wikipedia on Keating 5:
McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising “poor judgment” when he met with the federal regulators on Keating’s behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him….Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.”[14] On his Keating Five experience, McCain has said: “The appearance of it was wrong. It’s a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do.”[6]
Several accounts of the controversy contend that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target.[21][22][23][9]

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

McCain should have said
My friends, I have wars to win, new terrorist countries to expose and new American military draft law to write. Where’s that private jet and Miss Buffalo Chip? I got a meeting with Phil Gramm about the economy.

Posted by: doug | August 22, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

“[re Obama] (a guy who) got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii”
McCain is supposed to be in Scotsdale at a resort that is likely at least as exclusive as anything Obama was staying at [again, Cindy's boy is out of touch].
Also, McCain was the son of a well-placed Admiral, I doubt his stint at public expense has been much like your average Army soldier. At least Obama worked in the private sector–I doubt Johnny has.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 22, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

RJ family members don’t stay there.
She invested in 4 of them and they are kept in a trust. McCain has never been there.
McCain donated all his 5 books to charity.
McCain donated all his senate salary increases the last 20 years to charity.
Obama keeps all his book royalties.
Obama keeps all his senate salary increases.
Cindy McCain has spent a lot of time helping with operation smile for charity and landmines.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

Dan, Obama never did a land deal with Rezko. Repeating it doesnt make it so.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am

whether somebody has one house or seven houses is not the real issue.
tha point is that maccain can’t see the reality of middle class of america.

Posted by: zen | August 22, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am

McCain deliberately divorced himself from Cindy’s investment properties and income just so this kind of class warfare crap wouldn’t be thrown at him.
Obama really stumbled into a briarpatch and is acting like a Princess; he’ll just have to manage to extricate himself the best he can.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am

Rezko, Ayres, Khalidi, Father Pfleger, Wright.
This Obama has chicago corruption all over him.
20 years he was close with Rezko.
This is change? Doing a land deal with someone under investigation.

Posted by: James | August 22, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am

OOH, who needs investigative journalism when we can use Wikipedia! LMAO

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 22, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am

I think McCain was on a phone interview one on one and was really going to get back to him with the exact number….better to get it right for print.
He will learn from this anytime he gives another recorded phone interview, I hope. I don’t care if he has 27 houses, I want he and Cindy in the White House!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am

To Zen:
Obama dissed middle class america at a billionaire’s house in san francisco.
To Zen:
Yeah Obama who calls middle class america racists, anti trade, cling to guns and god.
Yeah that Barry Obama who does a land deal with Tony Rezko for a mansion. Real middle class.
Mr Arugala and Mr shades and Mr Hawaii real middle class.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am

“Several accounts of the controversy contend that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target.”
Well several accounts of the WTC attack contend that Bush was the mastermind behind it. That doesn’t make it true.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

Dan:
Cindy is rich who stole John from his crippled wife.
John can donate everything because she has enough beer money to share with a few families and not notice in terms of lifestyle.
You are criticizing Obama for what this country is about– working for a living and trying to better yourself. Some Republican.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 22, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am

McCain has two sons in the military.
McCain’s 19 year old son found out his father won New Hampshire while digging his truck out of a ditch in Iraq.
McCain has another son at the navy academy.
McCain raised his sons to serve their country.
Media loves talking about Biden’s 38 year old son going to Iraq but never talk about McCain’s kids.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am

That Obama snake has no idea about service.
He and the media love to paint the McCain’s a certain way.
They don’t tell you that he raised his two sons to serve in the military.
Imagine if Obama had a son who served overseas that is all we would ever hear about.
Already there have been more stories about Biden’s 38 year old lawyer son than McCain’s two sons in the military.
Obama is smearing a military family.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am

Yes, Mr. Coffee. When you can’t argue against the facts, attack the source. Go for it, it’s all you have.
The fact of the matter is that John McCain was found to have conducted no wrongdoing in Keating 5 and broke no laws. Too bad that 3 Democrats couldn’t say the same thing.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am

All McCains supporters can think up is to throw around unsupported allegations and guilt by association hoping that they can get the press to pick up something to ‘investigate’ about Obama. The sad fact is that the press is prone to fall for this type of bull again and again. Real Americans want a real debate – time to start dealing with real issues.
It is time to end the occupation of Iraq.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am

Look, nobody cares about Rezko except Republican operatives and a handful of embittered Hillary “supporters.”
There is no “there” there.
You got nada.
What McCain should have said was whatever the “Bullet” told him to say on his 3×5 talking point cards, but the “Maverick” had to buck the rules.
So he bucked himself.
Republicans, you are sooooo bucked.

Posted by: neojournalist | August 22, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am

McCain raised his sons to join the service.
Obama went to hear Wright’s rantings for 20 years.
Out of touch?
Obama at a San Francisco fundraiser disses small town America.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am

McCain lived in a cell for 5 and a half years while getting his teeth knocked out and having his arms hung from the ceiling. To this day McCain can’t lift up his arms to comb his hair.
Obama sacrificed by going to hear Wright rant about how bad America is.
Obama that spoiled elitist who never sacrificed anything dissed small town america at a san francisco fundraiser.

Posted by: Dan | August 22, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

“You are criticizing Obama for what this country is about– working for a living and trying to better yourself”
Mr Coffee
_____ and YOU’RE criticizing McCain for working and living at trying the BETTER this COUNTRY!
How many years of service in the navy?
How many years as a senator?
And, how many years as a prisoner of war who wouldn’t leave his prison until ALL the POWs were freed!

Posted by: hmmmm | August 22, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am

Yes, Mike — we’d like a real debate. You know – like the townhall talks that Obama initially said he would have with McCain but has now backed out of.
Obama said he’d talk anytime, anyplace with McCain and then backed down. And the guy won’t go to a Fox News debate. If he can’t face Brit Hume, how is he going to talk with our nation’s enemies? LOL

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am

Mike…Condi was in Iraq today and they are talking about bringing home some of the troops next June and most out by 2011…..so what will Obama have to talk about when that’s off the board and he had nothing to do with it?
I just want to see the debates, since Saddleback was such a failure for Obama. Pundits and critic agree Obama is too “nuanced”. Hell most Americans didn’t even understand his answers. Can’t wait for the 3 debates…..
McCain ’08/Hillary ’12

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am

NBC’s Brian WIlliams…who was once on a talk show with Cher, who called him something like a ‘repulsive republican’ or something, led the Olympics Newscast with this story. In a ‘you’re not gonna believe this’ kinda way. So a lot of people saw it.
McCain should have said….
“None. They’re all Cindy’s.”
Because without her, he’d be a WalMart greeter by now. But still a POW.

Posted by: kravitz | August 22, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

Debra, you realize that that leaves McCain as the only one left arguing there shouldn’t be any timetables, right?

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am

Maybe he should have said, “All my connived assets and ill-gotten gains are hidden in my wife’s name and we aren’t going to show anybody anything.

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am

Peach…Obama is finally starting to copy McCain with the town halls. I just wonder if he passes the mike around to anybody to ask anything, or are there plants to ask questions only Obama wants to answer.
NEVER OBAMA!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am

Peach, do you remember any of the ‘town hall’ debates? There was little of substance from any of the candidates. I prefer the format that leaves just the condidates on the floor, forcing them to deal with issues. Unfortunately, McCain seems to be reticent to accept this.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am

McCain to his credit said he would only leave in order of capture so to say he was staying til all POWs were released is wrong. You guys thing Obama is Jesus like. Heck, even McCain said when he passed on the chance to leave he didn’t think the war would last 3 years more.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 22, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

Mr. Coffee, that should be LESS than McCain has.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

kravitz: Apparently you are unaware that John McCain was already a US Senator when he met Cindy. So I don’t think he’d have been a Wal Mart greeter without her. But carry on … it’s most amusing.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

For My Friend, Dan.
McCain has a son who is putting a major bank into bankruptcy by running it into the terrazzo of Sedona.
Just like McCain’s economic advisor Phil Gramm helped UBS create the subprime meltdown that Gramm profited from.
Just like Gramm’s wife (y’know, the one the GOP didn’t like when he tried running for president because she’s asian) helped destroy retirement funds related to Enron by helping that company run into the ground.
Friends who know how to make money off other people’s ruin.

Posted by: kravitz | August 22, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

What a difference a week makes. Started off the week with a horrible review for Obama at Saddleback forum and now he has a little something that will probably backfire in the long run. Can’t wait until Obama has his running mate and then changes his mind and flip flops and wishes it was Hillary….25% of her 18 mill still not going to vote for him…and 11% undecided. Never Obama!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

Mike -
Maybe this will jog your memory:
WASHINGTON — Democratic candidate Barack Obama on Saturday backed away from rival John McCain’s challenge for a series of joint appearances before the political conventions, agreeing only to the standard three debates in the fall.
In May, when a McCain adviser proposed a series of pre-convention appearances at town hall meetings, Obama said, “I think that’s a great idea.” In summer stumping on the campaign trail, McCain has often noted that Obama had not followed through and joined him in any events.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am

Dan,
Take a look at the politico story on the 8 properties. All of them have been used at some time by some member of the McCain family. These are NOT business investments. They are PERSONAL investments.
This confusion really makes it clear that McCain needs to get in touch with economic realities. I do not believe that a person who believes 5 million defines ‘rich’ and doesn’t know the value of his family’s holdings can know what people like me are going through.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am

Debra – Good point. Remember when it came out during one of the Anderson Cooper events that the questions were plants for Obama? Mainstream America hasn’t forgotten either.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

One other thing.
I’m sick and tired of McCain using his POW status to defend himself against his own gaffes. It does a disservice to all our veterans out there, including some of my friends, who do not make excuses for their mistakes.
Being a POW for 5 years doesn’t excuse not knowing how many houses you have. There is 0 connection there. Stop abusing your veteran status McCain.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am

kravitz:
Allow me to introduce you to William Ayers, Rev. Wright, Frank whatever – Communist member and proud of it and Obama’s mentor.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am

RJ:
Why don’t you tell us one single time that McCain has used his POW status to defend against his gaffes. Just one will do.
Can’t do it? I didn’t think so.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

The problem with that – CINDY. It will bring his FIRST MARRIAGE. Hmm… why did you marry Cindy? Blonde, beautiful, when your wife was in car accident?

Posted by: David | August 22, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am

Peach, why criticize Obama for not agreeing to the format that McCain proposed when you aren’t willing to criticize McCain for not agreeing to the format that Obama proposed?

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am

Question: This article states that McCain was a carpetbagger. Is it truly considered a carpetbagger when someone gets out of the military and moves to a state and enters politics?
Where did he live before he left for Vietnam?

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am

Peach,
Gladly. From Ben Smith at Politico:
“McCain aides referred back to McCain’s time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam in defending him from the mockery over his houses.
‘This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years — in prison,” says spokesman Rogers.’”
That is abuse of POW status, and it is despicable.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am

Mike:
Maybe because of this from the Boston papers, and a host of others:
WASHINGTON—Democratic candidate Barack Obama on Saturday backed away from rival John McCain’s challenge for a series of joint appearances, agreeing only to the standard three debates in the fall.
In May, when a McCain adviser proposed a series of pre-convention appearances at town hall meetings, Obama said, “I think that’s a great idea.” In summer stumping on the campaign trail, McCain has often noted that Obama had not followed through and joined him in any events.
***
Sounds to me like Obama backed out of something he initially agreed to. Where did McCain initially agree to some format with Obama and back out of it?

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am

Actually, Peach, McCain was working for his new father in law prior to his first run for congress. Hensley, Keating and others backed his first campaign.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am

What has Obama ever served except himself? Seriously, what charities have they sponsored (he and Michelle). McCain gave the profits from all his books to charity and Cindy works heavily for Operation Smile. I love that Mother Theresa gave her a baby (Bridgette) who would have died if cindy didn’t take her back to operate on a cleft palate…and she just told McCain…meet our daughter.
What have the Obama’s done for anybody. The CNN bios last night, only BO’s sister could fill in all the airtime, whereas McCain could have used another hour.
Bring on another faith forum/debate….no one understands his “nuances”, but he’s copying Hillary now by moving to the center. Even copying her words, “I’ll get up every day and work for you”, blah, blah, blah.
Go away Obama.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am

Peach. You post no facts but here’s one:
McCain talks about the surge was right. Well, Petraeus is not so sure. He says Al Qaedda was doomed was they tried to exercise control instead of kill Americans:
Petraeus believes: “when Sunnis, organizing around traditional tribal leaders, decided to turn the ultra conservative group tried to ban smoking. “That was the turning point when they cut the fingers off the first person who was smoking,” Petraeus jokes. “Can you imagine an Anbar sheik being told he can’t smoke?”
You see, it had little to do with the number of American troops and more to do with “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 22, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am

Peach it only sounds like he backed out if you dont read carefully. Again, Obama proposed the Lincoln/Douglas format and McCain has refused to accept it.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am

RJ:
Your post made it sound like McCain personally defended himself against some charge using his POW status. I had not realized his spokesman had done so.
Your post also said that you were sick of Mccain using his POW status to defend himself against gaffes so I’m assuming there are multiple times this has happened. If so, please share.
I didn’t like it when John Kerry couldn’t speak without mentioning he’d been to Vietnam and I wouldn’t like to see McCain play that game. However, most pundits I’ve heard speaking have said that until recently, McCain rarely talked about his years in captivity.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am

Peach…I think McCain lived in Florida with Carol before moving to Arizona.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am

RJ, there is a better one. After the so-called ‘faith’ forum, McCains spokespersons said “the implication that McCain, a POW, cheated is ridiculous”
But, you know he doesnt like to talk about it (but loves it when others do)

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am

Mike -
We are talking at cross purposes. McCain suggested public meetings between the two candidates. Obama said yes. I have given you two newspaper articles that confirm that. Then Obama changed his mind and backed out.
McCain never agreed to the format of debates Obama wanted. So there was nothing to back out of.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

Peach,
Gladly.
1) POW status to defend against houses gaffe.
2) When accused of having received the questions in advance of the Saddleback forum: “The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.”
3) When questioned about offering Cindy up for a topless beauty pageant: “McCain spokesman Brian Rogers fired back by saying that Americans “know that John McCain’s faith and character were tested and forged in ways few can fathom.”
That’s 3. I’m sure there are more.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am

Well, it’s been fun. This place is addictive. But it’s way past my bedtime.

Posted by: Peach | August 22, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am

Mr. Coffee, I am an American before a party loyalist. Please don’t assume to know where I stand.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Mike – McCain refuse the Lincoln/Douglas style, because it was just going to be speeches on July 4th, when McCain wanted to be with his family, like the rest of America and no one would have turned the TV on.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am

I completely agree with you, Jake Tapper.

Posted by: MayBee | August 22, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am

Debra,
Nice try. McCain was out of the country, in Mexico of all places, on July 4th. While normal Americans were celebrating our independence, he decided to go abroad. Not cool.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am

Meaning COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY. Gerri Ferraro said the same thing tonight…looks like she won’t be voting Obama either. I have to think about who is the best candidate for our country…and BO isn’t. I was for Hillary and switched to McCain.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am

Mr Coffee:
“He can donate money because Cindy has oodles. That can’t be a knock on Obama–that he has to work for a living. Again, some elitist Republican you are.
————–
What some of us have been trying to tell you is that people who are a lot less economically deprived than Obama…. donate larger percentages of their income to charity.
Percentage wise, certainly the Clintons do….and the McCains…. and also all those Obama supporters who donate their millions to Obama, their very special charity!
Obama has more than enough money to spare! Methinks he’s just cheap!
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Posted by: beween the ears. | August 22, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

RJ…Mexico is not “abroad”, and if he was he was probably with his family like most Americans.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

Debra,
I was for Clinton before switching to Obama. It’s amazing we’re on opposite sides now, and sort of sad.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am

Debra,
I don’t remember the US annexing Mexico as our 51st state. In fact, I remember illegals flooding in from Mexico. It is RIDICULOUS for a candidate to be in that sort of country on our independence day. That is the opposite of celebration.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am

Obama says leave my wife out of it…well these properties are Cindy McCain’s and he better lay off this. Why would McCain be in on Cindy’s family business? This will be clarified in a bigger way in the days to come and lets move on to something that really effects us.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am

Debra,
All these family investments have been used by McCain family members, even if they are investments.
Does McCain not know where his family goes on a regular basis?
That indicates he’s got family problems larger than just being out of touch with Americans. I mean, I knew he had family problems after he cheated on his crippled first wife, but this is pretty ridiculous.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am

Debra,
Barack Obama was celebrating our independence in the US, like normal Americans like me and you do.
It’s sad McSame celebrated by meeting with leaders who let illegals flood our country.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am

I hope the Russia/Georgia conflict remindss Americans daily that McCain is the guy for Commander in Chief. Obama would be the biggest advisor driven Presidency EVER….like that Sat. Night Live skit where he’s calling Hillary at 3AM in a panic and smoking again and she says “Man Up Obama”…and tells him after giving him political advice, where the heater in the WH is.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am

RJ….just another self serving photo op, as I recall. Did they get a cover of a magazine that time? Seems Obama has had about 8 Time covers to McCain’s 2, and PEOPLE, and US and Extra interviews….quite the little celebrity, he is. He loses credibility with all his rock star treatment.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am

Hillary is supporting Obama with clenched teeth. The guy is not qualified…lacking in judgement and most of all anti American friends and thoughts….I can’t stand the thought of him as Prez. He’s only offering Hillary the role call and speech to lure her supporters, meanwhile they have 40 people to “whip” Hillary supporters into submission at the convention to prevent any protest. He just tossing Clintons a crumb to get he 18 mill votes. One quarter of that will not budge.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am

Not even a gaffe…McCain was trying to deflect the question because it was an attack…does Obama get asked this? Clinton?

Posted by: Wade | August 22, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am

It was a ridiculous question….was Kerry ever asked this? Who care? Politicans have been wealthy since Washington and this is just so irrelevant. Interviewer playing “gotcha politics”.
McCAIN all the way!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

I care if my President knows that middle class doesn’t mean $5 million dollars and that my President values money just as much as us who have to scrape for it.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am

I do absolutely believe the idea that he ‘forgot’ how many houses he owns is a mischaracterization by the Obama campaign. He was deflecting the question.
Whoever wins this race should hire Jake Tapper as a press secretary.

Posted by: MayBee | August 22, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

Wrong….secretly Hillary would like Obama to lose to prove her point….she was the strongest candidate and will run again in 2012. Believe me, we all know HILLARY WAS THE CANDIDATE TO BEAT McCAIN….ANOTHER POLL TODAY HAD HER BEATING McCAIN 49 TO 42….or some margin like that….I could google it. Anyway….when she won the last 9 out of 14, all the polls had her beating McCain but DNC, Pelosi, Reid screwed her…forcing super dels to push Obama over finish line. HILLARY AND BILL DO NOT IN THEIR HEART OF HEARTS WANT OBAMA!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

they say wisdom is the man who knows what he doesn’t know. mccain didn’t know, he said so, end of story.
how refreshing coming from a politician.
if he were greedy he would know right down to the last condo.

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am

Debra,
Then why are both Clintons supporting him?

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

And RJ….Obama’s mom got pregnant by the Kenyan college student and they married 3 months later, only to have Obama Sr. leave little Barack at 2. She then remarried the Indonesian dad took Barry out of the country and educated him in Muslim (mother Ann was an Atheist). After 4 years she sends little Barry back to granny but stays in Indonesia with hubby #2. Obama’s story is not a very American story and I feel sorry he got parents who abandoned him….a core issue that makes him who he is….empty and detached. He is not your rags to riches story you refer to….more like little boy lost.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

RJ – what are they going to do publicly? C’mon. Just like Condi and Colin may be Republican and should not publicly endorse, but will privately pull the lever for BO, I’m sure.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am

RJ hillary has to toe the party line if she wants to remain employed. the rest of us, and her supporters don’t.

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am

Debra,
John McCain grew up outside the U.S as well – for the first 15 years of his life.
Obama moved to Hawaii when he was 10. Last I checked that was part of America.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 2:38 am 2:38 am

Clinton’s an honest woman. I think she says what she believes – that Obama is better than McCain. If you don’t believe me, watch her upcoming convention speech.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 2:40 am 2:40 am

Right Sonia, just sad to hear Hillary speak with little passion in her voice. It’s hard to sell something even you’re not buying. Too bad she has to play this game. Wish she could just change parties but it’s not that simple. I hope Hill supporters see the phoney olive branch Camp Obama is offering with the role call and speeches. He wants to lure as many of the 18 million he can. He has no intention of offering her VP and she should’t take it….blame her for his loss. I hope the 25% of us NOT for Obama and the 11% undecided DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION. OUR VOICES WILL BE HEARD.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:40 am 2:40 am

Debra,
would you vote for Obama with Clinton as VP?

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am

RJ….no….just can’t bring myself to do it, as much as I love her and wanted she (and Bill). She overshadows Obama and really would outshine him…more #1 material, but they say she’d take it.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am

Debra,
That pretty sad for us. I guess we’ll agree to disagree. Good night.

Posted by: RJ | August 22, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

Good night to you…been fun disagreeing with you.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am

Debra yep it’s just the way the game is played. party loyalty or your out come next election. of coarse hillary has to support obama that’s a given and we get it.
i don’t have to the toe the party line, i did not leave the party, the party left me.

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am

goodnight debra

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am

i would vote for obama with hillary on the ticket absolutely.

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 3:01 am 3:01 am

Sonia….you really want Obama as #1 and Hillary in the shadows, receiving all the blame?

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 3:09 am 3:09 am

I have to tell you, I think it’s Biden and I’m sorry, because I like him too, and he’s strong up against McCain…similar guys. He will outshine Obama too (just about anyone could except Bayh). But Obama’s ego may direct him away from the stronger Dems (Hillary the strongest).
I hate Chris Matthews…..just referred to Obama as “the King”. Ugh….I have a bad taste in my mouth.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am

problem with biden is he has been in politics longer than mccain. what happened to hopey, changy? i thought obama was about change. biden seems like the same old washington style inside job obama has been so critical of.

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am

debra this has been a coronation of sorts so, the status of king obama as (per matthews) is not very far off the mark.

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am

sonia….that’s true…there is nothing new or hopey, changey with Biden, so who will fit the bill on “new politics” with BO?

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 3:36 am 3:36 am

McCain is nothing without his advisors and “surrogates.” Every time he opens his mouth he’s either sticking his foot in or spewing some sort of incoherent gibberish. He’s a puppet. It absolutely blows my mind that Americans would be duped into four more years of this garbage.

Posted by: Hilary Smith | August 22, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am

H. Smith…right he’s a puppet and that’s why he won hands down at the Faith Forum for getting his thougts and feelings out in a way we can understand. His answers are clear and to the point….Obama is “nuanced”. All the critics and pundits agreed….Obama sucked, like he always does with debates or any question and answer. Needs a script. Could give Denzil Washington a run for his money.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am

debra i hear desperation, hostility, and anger from the obama camp. and right before the convention. so much for all us hillary supporters coming on board like nice obedient little minions eh!

Posted by: sonia trevino | August 22, 2008, 3:44 am 3:44 am

Oh come on…
We’ve got a new ‘independent’ conservative group that’s going to try to tie Obama to 9/11 via Ayers.
That makes Obama’s attack on McCain, using Cindy’s houses, seem a nice Sunday walk in the park.
After all, elections are not about the truth, and what really happened. They’re solely about what the voter *perceives* to be the truth.

Posted by: Kaj | August 22, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am

The fact that he didn’t say it or something similar and other comments he has made along the way (the “Cheklaslovakia” comment, for example) suggest that McCain may already have some age-related dementia.

Posted by: Joel | August 22, 2008, 6:55 am 6:55 am

Good piece Jake.
He should of answered more like you suggested. His actual answer does show he really is out of touch with most of us.
Someone mentionned that is what happens when he does not have the answers ala saddleback. I believe that also.

Posted by: kimberly | August 22, 2008, 7:07 am 7:07 am

Can’t believe how many stupid people here are searching for excuses of McSame. Even if those seven houses belong to Cindy he should know. He’s married to her!
I just figured out McCain is not as same as Bush he’s even more stupid!

Posted by: Pascal | August 22, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am

To my way of thinking Jake, you and the rest just don’t get it. It’s not about the number of houses. It’s not about past indiscretions, it’s about the fact that although funny, these “gaffs” are a sign of the infermeties of elder years.
My fear is that this will happen at one of those 3:AM times and he’ll “forget.” I’m really nervous about this. The constitution provides for a replacement if he dies in office. Not so for a mental condition. God forbid we should have to get past this, and then get stuck with a guy like Mittens in office!

Posted by: DAVID NH | August 22, 2008, 7:15 am 7:15 am

I think the fact of the matter is that there wasn’t a good answe to give. Whatever he said, if it was nothing or something, he would have been collared for it. The guy and his wife own 7 houses. (at least!) Thats beyond the comprehension of most Americans. At least by prevaricating, he didn’t give the Obama campaign the sound of his voice saying ‘I own 7 houses’, which might have been worse in some ways.

Posted by: markymark | August 22, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am

Jake is it really so difficult to have to listen to criticism of McCain that you want to carry his water some more? He answered the question how he answered… it’s important for the Nation to begin to finally move past the Hanoi Hilton stories and the DC press BBQs and LEARN WHO THIS MAN REALLY IS. Don’t you think? After 26 years in DC, can any of the adoring press really be objective about McCain?

Posted by: cs | August 22, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am

Mcain-7 HOUSES
MCAIN- 500 DOLLAR SHOES
MCCAIN- PRIVATE JET TO GET AROUND AZ
MCCAINS-700 THOUSAND CREDIT CARD
Mcain is out of touch with the average american!!!! oh forgot one didnt cindy and john owe like 4000 dollars back taxes on some of their many homes could you get away with owing 4000 dollars back taxes???????????????

Posted by: angie | August 22, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am

America should be worried more about some one who needs to look at his card every time he has to say something.
I raised my kids giveing them important points writeen on cards. To memorize & learn them. They never used them while requiered to answear questions from points noted on those cards. Neither did they take them into class nor exam halls.
Today they are sucessful “A” students at a University.
We should expect better from a would be president.

Posted by: S, mengesha | August 22, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am

The answer to the question was known before it was ask and it was ask simply to show McCain as a rich republican snob to stir up class envy. I am afraid that no matter how he answered it, it would have been blown up by the Obama camp. McCains comeback with Resco should make all us wonder about a man who apparently fleeced the Government for millions, providing affordable homes for the poor, with many of the projects failing or done to low standards. We should all ask what role Obama had in getting these funds for Resco but I suppose we’ll find out when Donkeys learn to fly

Posted by: david | August 22, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am

Wonkette: At least Barry’s money is his own, and he’s not some crazy old kept-husband mooch. And Barry made most of his money from his books which he *wrote*, whereas John McCain’s books are all creepily written by Mark Salter.

Posted by: cs | August 22, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am

Ah the POW defense, or shpuld we say the “Kept Man” defense. Turmn out he is just a “Wall Flower”.

Posted by: Thinking | August 22, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am

Mr McCain gave the right answers.
If Mr Obama has a problem with the truth. Then he is in the wrong profession.
If Mr. Obama wants sympathy he is in the wrong profession.
If Mr Obama can not take responsibility for the things he does or does not do. He is in the wrong profession.
Mr Obama is playing on the minds of the American people. He wants people to vote for him out of sympathy, vote for him for his American idol image he a built, and for a speech.
Mr Obama needs to grow up. This is not a game, this is not a popularity contest.
Mr Obama consistently shows bad judgment. That is something we do not need in the White house, running our country.

Posted by: seah | August 22, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am

Jake that’s a good suggestion. McCain walked right into that and now Obama has an opening to paint McCain as an elitist and out of touch.

Posted by: vickie | August 22, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am

I guess John Kerry will not be VP since he is richer than McCain.
Obama was like a giddy schoolgirl yesterday because he finally had something on McCain.
After tanking in the polls, a weak performance at Saddleback, and other Democrats calling him a sissy–Obama jumped on this.
A true act of desperation that allowed Mac to remind everyone of Obama’s sweetheart deal w/slumlord buddy Rezko.

Posted by: riley | August 22, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am

Yea right we all can Identify with our wives having 7 houses and us nothing.
The Typical American Family!

Posted by: Thinking | August 22, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am

For those of us who support John McCain, it doesn’t matter how he responds. Nothing Barack Obama says can change our support for Senator McCain. The more Obama talks, the more he appears on the news, the more the news media tries to promote him, the more money he has to spend, and the more campaign messages I hear, the more sick of him and his rock-star candidacy I get.

Posted by: Carrie | August 22, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am

Carrie, it must be nice to be a millionaire and not have to care about economic and foreign policy, and its impact on your family. I wish I could be as vacuous as you, but I have to worry about supporting kids and paying for my house, so I have to make my decision based on the fact that I can’t afford another year like the last eight.

Posted by: Mike | August 22, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am

That is what happens if Mccain doesn’t receive the questions in advance a la Saddleback.
Kaj,
In the internet age, ignorance should not be an excuse and recipients of information are supposed to be able to decipher between what is true and what is false. When facts can be checked on several internet sites.
A Candidate that disseminates falsehood in order to get my votes insults me and insults everything I stand for.
What it means is that he knows that he is blatantly feeding me with falsehood but knows he won’t get caught because I don’t have the intelligence to know the difference.
Your statement is an indictment on the literacy rate in the US.
And if we continue down the road of swallowing every word that comes out of the mouth of a Politician hook, line and sinker, then the coming generations of Americans are in trouble.

Posted by: Dare Nigeria | August 22, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am

It’s a good answer. But, McCain’s answer was in character with him. He was honest, he doesn’t know. His wife is the business woman and it’s her money. I like that.

Posted by: pls go away | August 22, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

I love the Obama/Ayers ad.
Obama actually calls Ayers “respectable and mainstream”.
Obama calls a guy that bombed the Pentagon, stomps the flag, and recently said he was not sorry, “respectable and mainstream”.
And Obama says uh uh, ee ee, but but…Let Me Be Clear–no one can question my patriotism.
America are you asleep?

Posted by: riley | August 22, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

Jake the problem is…
as much as he is a war hero…
there is a huge financial aspect to being President…
so even if he said what you just stated…
I wrote this before…
It wasn’t that he was lying or senile…
it is the fact that he does not know.
Whether it is because of complicating financials that he is not informed on or other…
he does not know.
How many Americans …especially right now… can make judgments on the countries financial state without the pressure of their mortgage payments, weighing remortgaging, student loans, how their taxes are filled out, their health care being cut off and not having money for their kids, or what to do about your aging parent and the financial costs…
John McCain has none of those factors…not because he earned and had to ever go through those financial challenges…he never has. He hasn’t started a business or had to pay his way through school…he married or divorced depending on how you look at it…into money after a yourth where his wealthy father took care of getting him everything he needed.
That is not spin…that is his life.
That is the point…so get mad…call Obama names… bring up other issues…but John McCain has no struggles with finances or experience EVER with struggles of financial matters to look through to understand what we need to do with this economy.
and yes, that is hugely important.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am

John McCain graduated 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. His father and grandfather were four star admirals in the Navy. Some have suggested that might have played a role in McCain being admitted. His academic record was awful. And it shows over and over again whenever McCain is called upon to think on his feet.
The media — many of them card-carrying members of the John McCain Protection Society — continue to paper over each new crack in the McCain-as-foreign-policy-authority myth: they love McCain, or at least the McCain they’ve created in their minds, and they’re uncomfortable and embarrassed when the real McCain shows that he no longer has much to do with the character they’ve created.
John McCain is as intellectually shallow as our current president. When asked what his Christian faith means to him, his answer was a one-liner. “It means I’m saved and forgiven.” Great scholars have wrestled with the meaning of faith for centuries. McCain then retold a story we’ve all heard a hundred times about a guard in Vietnam drawing a cross in the sand.
McCain was asked to define rich. After trying to dodge the question — his wife is worth a reported $100 million — he finally said he thought an income of $5 million was rich.
One after another, McCain’s answers were shallow, simplistic, and trite. He showed the same intellectual curiosity that George Bush has — virtually none.

Posted by: William | August 22, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

The first thing I saw when I turned on the television news this morning was a ditzy blonde anchorwoman gushing over when Senator Obama would announce his vice president. As a Democrat, I truly never understood what the Republicans meant when they talked about liberal bias. I just flat-out didn’t see it. I can’t predict who will be President next January, but I can predict one thing with abosolute certainty: the mainstream press will continue to lose viewership to Fox News and conservative talk radio. Like millions of Democrats, I used to laugh at Fox, Hannity, etc. Now I listen to them more and more. Yeah, they’re biased in the conservative direction, and their views on the environment and a few other issues. are just plain whacked out, but they’re still more objective on most issues than ABC, NBC, CBS, Newsweek, and the rest of the left-wing press. That’s just sad. The idea of objective journalism is a myth. I guess I was just too naieve to understand that. This election has certainly opened by eyes.

Posted by: Sick of the Media | August 22, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am

the sign of a bad President is one who when an issue like financial understanding comes up…
suddenly resorts to trying to take it off topic.
you know how you can tell because mcCain is doing the exact same things as George W. Bush.
right down to trying to take the ball off what matters in his campaign…
evil men running and fooling perhaps Mccain himself.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

John McCain .. hasn’t started a business or had to pay his way through school…he married or divorced depending on how you look at it…into money after a yourth where his wealthy father took care of getting him everything he needed.-
And what has Obama worked for? His mother was able to play at “intellectual”, his typical white grandmom president of a bank paid for his cushy private school, and did he work his way through Harvard? Nice job waiting for him at Rezko connection firm after graduation (not to mention Rezko had offered him a job while still in college). Obama has done ZERO work to get to where he is expect open his mouth.

Posted by: pls go away | August 22, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Mike, your McCain = 3rd Bush term is old and tired. It doesn’t work, even on Democrats like me. As far as being called “vacuous,” I don’t take offense. People who resort to personal attacks against those with whom they disagree illustrate their own immaturity. I used to do the same thing myself – when I was an eighth grader.

Posted by: Carrie | August 22, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am

pls go away
Obama earned scholarships from a lot of hard work…
while he was living with his grandmother and grandfather in an apartment.
His 4 million came from his own work.
His student loans were paid by him.
His academics and achievements and getting into school all taken care of by…him.
How does a President who has no idea what the challenges FEEL like for everyday Americans trying to balance mortgages or business loans…or student loans or healthcare…or what to do about aging parents when you didn’t marry(again or divorce as the case may be) into multi-millions.
John mcCain needs to have someone hold up a handful of blank tax forms, mortgage applications, student loan applications, requirements for housing for an elderly parent, in home nursing…
and even ex-vets application for government assistance for an education after one tour of duty…
or the help wanted ads for people wiothout a college education that htose soldiers have to peruse every day after “only serving one tour of duty”
and see if he can do any and all of them. See if he has even ever seen one of them…because I highly doubt he ever has.
and if that is the case…how in the heck could he ever understand what are the challenges facing…us.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am

Cindy is rich who stole John from his crippled wife.–
And we thought divorce was legal and free of prejudices and we thought the liberal left was free of moralizing. We thought it was the conservative Christian right that we had to worry about in judging our private lives.

Posted by: pls go away | August 22, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am

Sorry dl, take the propaganda somewhere else.
You want to picture Obama as one of the working class, you must be redefining working class.

Posted by: pls go away | August 22, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

McCain is going to say that none of his homes were financed with 300,000 grand from a lobyist and convicted felon like Mr Obama

Posted by: s.b. | August 22, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

pls go away
Lets put it this way
While Mccain is forgetting or not knowing how many homes he owns…
the guy who Obama is probably picking for VP is hauling his own stumps to the dump himself.
while McCain is getting into schools because his father pulled strings
Obama is working his a$$ off and getting scholarships while he is living in a modest apartment with his grandparents
while Mccain is leaving his first wife in straights to marry a millionairess blonde hottie…
KFed is leaving his first wife in straights to marry a millionairess blonde hottie
sorry KFed that’s right you weren’t married.
yeah sounds like propaganda but it is true.

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Could any answer be worse than
“uh, it’s above my pay grade”.

Posted by: riley | August 22, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

and as far as who helped who buy homes…
how about convicted felons that loaned you jets…and Bahamian home resorts to stay at…
and whom you got contracts for from your father in law
you really don’t want to go down the Rezko line…
you all obviously do not know the details of mccain friendship with Keating
you know the guy who severely hurt our country and whose crimes were on the backs of working Americans…
yeah all the while Mccain is flying on his jets and vacationing at his homes…and introducing him to other Senators…
yeah bring on Rezko…
there is this Billy Club that lies on the ground with Rezko that you all obviously do not know the details of ..
it’s called the Charles Keating and John Mccain’s “best friendship”

Posted by: dl | August 22, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Could any answer be worse than
“uh, it’s above my pay grade”.
Posted by: riley | Aug 22, 2008 9:33:05 AM
If you’re simple minded, I suppose it was a bad answer.
Atrios : While the Villagers seemed to object, and it didn’t go well with the audience, I was quite pleased with Obama’s response that the question of when life begins is above his pay grade. I remember Pastor Tim Russert asking, I think, Claire McCaskill a similar question and she was like, “What are you asking? When does an embryo become ensouled?” Believe what you want, but the important question for politicians is how such things get translated into… policy. And when McCain says he believes life begins at conception (cheer!) it’s pretty meaningless unless he’s asked to explain how that would be translated into policy: Are blastocysts entitled to child support? Do all late periods need to be reported to the Ministry of Health? And, of course, my favorite: Are those who implant multiple embryos during IVF treatments, knowing full well that most will die, guilty of negligent manslaughter?

Posted by: cs | August 22, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am

riley
Those bombings took place before Obama ever met Ayers. At the time of those bombings, Obama was EIGHT YEARS OLD! How many times do these facts have to be pointed out to you idiots? Ayers was never tried or convicted and is now a professor at a University in Chicago!
Do you remember back when you were in school and maybe there was a fight between one group of guys and another. There was always someone who was there but not involved who tried to impose himself into the fracas when retelling the story? This is what I’m assuming happened with Ayers. He may have wanted to be involved but wasn’t. Otherwise why wasn’t he tried and convicted? It’s actually stupid that we’re even talking about this because it has nothing to do with the fact that McCain could not remember how many houses he and his wife have. Then, one of his campaign managers comes out with the statement that McCain was housed for 5 years as a prisoner of war! Absolutely a disgrace. They throw out the POW card every time they’re candidate makes a stupid remark!

Posted by: roxanne | August 22, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

cs
Unless you’re a Harvard graduate…everything is above your paygrade! Particularly when life begins. If you against abortion rights that’s your business but you should stay out of everyone elses!

Posted by: roxanne | August 22, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Of course if he had said Cindy owned all those homes the media would paint him as a “Kept man” just like they did to John Kerry, right?
Oh yeah, that’s right, this is the “Maverick” the press is “his base” and all his gaffes just get swept under the rug….

Posted by: tinat | August 22, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Who cares? Is the media this desperate to save Obama? What about Chris Dodd’s VIP mortgage on his house?

Posted by: geevill | August 22, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

good point made by Steve Benen (Balloon Juice):
The Republicans think they are the ones who own this line of attack. They realize that all the things they said in 2004 about Sen. Kerry can come right back and bite them, as they apply just as fairly (or unfairly) to St. John (did you know he was a POW?). An example:
Joseph Farah, World Net Daily, “President Gigolo?”: But if there is one characteristic of Kerry’s life that should disqualify him absolutely as a candidate for president, it is the fact that he has sought out millionaire wives to take care of him. Not to put too fine a point on it, he’s a serial gigolo. Let me ask you this: How many single women do you know worth a hundred million dollars or more? . . . After raising children with her, Kerry sought and received an annulment of that long-term marriage. Then he married Teresa Heinz Kerry, the widow of a Senate colleague five years his senior. She is worth approximately $500 million. Is marrying well good preparation for serving as the president of the United States? . . . . He’s always had a net underneath him throughout his political career—in his case, a net woven of homespun 24K gold.
And my favorite, Rush Limbaugh:
Rush Limbaugh Online, “John Kerry’s Resume”: [Kerry] has lived the life of a millionaire living off the inherited wealth of his two wives. As an Ivy League educated millionaire who did not have to work for his fortune, Mr. Kerry never had to worry about the money he earned, the taxes he paid, or the programs he and Ted Kennedy forced the rest of us to pay for. . . . Mr. Kerry Heinz is not effected (sic) when these neighborhoods are destroyed and working class families lose the largest asset in their retirement plans—their home’s value.
Goose, gander.
…USA Today breaks it down for you:
By dinnertime, the McCain team had released an ad about Obama and his former fundraiser Antoin Rezko, who was convicted of corruption charges in June. On the same day in 2005, Obama bought his house and Rezko’s wife bought an adjoining lot owned by the same sellers. She later sold a strip of it to Obama.
McCain, who has portrayed Obama as an elitist, is the son and grandson of admirals. The Associated Press estimates his wife, a beer heiress, is worth $100 million. Obama was raised by a single mother who relied at times on food stamps, and went to top schools on scholarships and loans. His income has increased from book sales since he spoke at the 2004 Democratic convention.

Posted by: cs | August 22, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Obama and his people are more clueless than we thought if they believe they can sell the American public that McCain is elitist and Obama the common man. It really makes Obama look bad with such a petty attack.

Posted by: geevill | August 22, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

Arizona is a Community Property State, which means that whichever property was acquired during the marriage belongs to both regardless of who purchased it.

Posted by: mbueno | August 22, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Can people realize that McCain has a very low IQ and therefore if he is not briefed and coatched he will just make gaffs. God save America from McSame.

Posted by: BKMC | August 22, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

I’d love to hear the whole telephone inerview and see why exactly this question was asked and how it tied in to the reporter’s story. It was a set up and I’m glad McCain didn’t just give an answer, that could have been checked and then it would be, McCain said it was 5 houses but it’s really seven. Hopefully, the McCain campaign will put out a breakdown of Cindy’s properties (which McCain isn’t hungry to call his) and whatever they own together.
Personally, I don’t give a s–t it they own 27 homes….as long as they move into White House.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

In a week when the press was all a chatter about how well McCain did and Obama sucked at Saddleback, and he sees the polls slip TO ONE POINT BETWEEN THEM, he should really be hoping his VP pick hives him the “bump” in the polls that he never got, with Hillary bowing out, with his world tour…..he just lags. His VP pick sure has alot of weight to carry with this sorry candidate.

Posted by: Debra | August 22, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

McGoo the elitist. Doesn’t matter how you try and spin it, this is what he is.

Posted by: puma what | August 22, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

bkmc:
“Can people realize that McCain has a very low IQ and therefore if he is not briefed and coatched he will just make gaffs. ”
SOOOOOOO…..
What’s OBAMA’s reason?
EXTREMELY POOR JUDGEMENT?

Posted by: just thinking... | August 22, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

riley, to a radical like Obama, William Ayers IS “respectable and mainstream”.

Posted by: marylou | August 22, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

McCain’s judgment is the real issue here.
He doesn’t manage his own wealth. He delegates it to surrogates. He stays above it. He would do the same to our country’s future…delegating it to lobbyists and lackeys.
If he knows the real answer, he should have said it and this would all be a different swirl. The issue would not have snowballed the way it is. It would have lost its power.
McCain’s judgement in attacking Obama also suggests he is indeed a warmongering fool who should be far from Washington.
McCain created his own gaffe. Obama’s only part was in repeating what Politico had already stated and other before Obama had already seen. So who should McCain be mad at?
Himself.
He is a little man indeed to ignore that fact. It is his own mistake, finally noticed by the press, causing his rapid dowmfall in today’s polling. We’ll see the results soon enough. For now, he can only pull out whatever hair he as left, and ask the people who do Cindy’s hair extensions to do a job on him.
He’s done quite the job on himself.

Posted by: kravitz | August 22, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

“Can people realize that McCain has a very low IQ and therefore if he is not briefed and coatched he will just make gaffs. ”
“Gaffes” are another area BO doesn’t want to talk about. He’s made more in one year than McCain has made in 15. From breathalyzers, inhilators, Auschwitz, 57 states, 10,000 dead, Arabic speaking Afghanis, Kentucky on a map, to you name it. Believe me, BO don’t know didly without the teleprompter.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

“McCain’s judgment is the real issue here.”
That’s another area BO should avoid. His judgement about the surge; declaring that it failed as late as early this year. His judgement about his spiritual advisor for 20 years. His judgement regarding his relationship with an unrepentent terrorist. Nope…his judgement is poor by all accounts.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Peach, McCain was one of the “Keating Five” who were investigated for criminal wrongdoing connected to the savings and loan debacle. Whereas he was legally cleared, McCain was cited for “poor judgment” by the Senate. He also accepted $112,000 in campaign contributions from Keating and his fellow criminals.

Posted by: EdDoc | August 22, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Ed Doc:
Three Democrats were found to be guilty of misconduct in the Keating 5 mess.
McCain was found to be innocent of wrongdoing.
The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[17][16] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising “poor judgment” when he met with the federal regulators on Keating’s behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him….Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.”[20]

Posted by: Peach | August 23, 2008, 6:46 am 6:46 am

What should McCain have said? It doesn’t matter. The fact that he lives *that* high on the hog–whether from his wife’s wealth or no–indicates that something is seriously wrong in America. McCain has been a Senator in Washington, DC, for *how* long? And he has seen *how* many homeless people on the streets of Washington, DC? And he has *how* many houses, still? I rest my case.

Posted by: Martin | August 23, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

how many homes does cindys step sister have? how come the step sister never received any money when her father died?

Posted by: william | August 27, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

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