Aug 17, 2008 1:35pm

Will Democrats ‘Daisy’ McCain?

The New York Times today takes a look at Sen. John McCain’s instincts when it comes to war.

The notion that McCain, R-Ariz., is bellicose and too eager to take the U.S. to war in Iraq, Iran, Georgia, North Korea, and elsewhere, is one we will likely see Democrats pushing in the coming weeks.

The Times story has a few interesting anecdotes that Democrats will no doubt use in an attack portraying McCain as too eager to attack.

Some show McCain as among those leading the charge to segue from attacking Afghanistan to attacking Iraq. On Jan. 2, 2002, he yelled to sailors and airmen on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, "Next up, Baghdad!"

And while McCain later came to criticize the Bush team, he early on told CNN he would have named Donald Rumsfeld to his cabinet and would also have offered Dick Cheney the vice presidency.

Team McCain has been trying to portray Obama as weak on national security, a la Adlai Stevenson, Mike Dukakis and John Kerry. We’ll see if the Democrats have any success in making McCain seem too eager to go to war, a la his fellow Arizonan Barry Goldwater, whose alleged desire to start World War III was so notoriously depicted in the famous "Daisy" TV ad.

- jpt

User Comments

The choice of leadership is McCain (bad) or Obama (worse)…
Their appearance with the televangelist was a prime example…
Couple that with the “do-nothing” Congress and its leaders, Pelosi and Reid, and you have an accurate picture of “miserable failures”…

Posted by: Jayhawk | August 17, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Extremely important anecdotes about John McCain.

Posted by: Danny | August 17, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

The fact that McCain doesn’t roll over and play dead just points up how weak Obama really is. An attack on McCain in regards to national security will only hurt Obama with undecided voters and fire up the Republican base even more. The Reps have both Obama’s and McCain’s intitial responses to Georgia – they also have Obama’s position shifts that now parallel McCain’s. Proof that Obama’s not ready for primetime, but plays a mean game of Follow the Leader.

Posted by: marylou | August 17, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

In 2000 America thought Bush would be a better president than McCain. Its true we we elect McCain then America is doomed.

Posted by: Keith | August 17, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

McCain has displayed very poor judgment such as the Iraq war which puts serious question marks on his so called foreign policy credentials.
Being a POW does not qualify him to be president.

Posted by: Kenny | August 17, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

McCain can’t wait for another war. He is a hothead with a temper. Obama is more thoughtful and will prevent wars that don’t have to be fought.

Posted by: Bonzai | August 17, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

The congress can’t do anything because of the Republicans using the philibuster a record number of times, and when congress passes a bill Bush will just veto it anyway. The Republicans can’t admit that their time has passed, and that they totally screwed up while running the country.
Obama 08!

Posted by: Thomas | August 17, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

The more the NYT attacks McCain, the more the Republican base gets fired up. The people who are going to vote for McCain will take the NYT attacks as a SYMBOL of McCain’s qualifications to be POTUS. Also, the people who seriously read the NYT are not going to vote for McCain anyway. The NYT should either just report objectively or stay out of things. They make things worse for the left when they try to help. Idiots

Posted by: NYT Does not Get It | August 17, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

WOW,
We finally got it. Thank you for finally showing your hand McCainites.
So, your worried that he revealed the Real McCain…McWar…more war…McCain spreading freedom and democracy all over the world for him and his 5 million dollar a year rich friends. Oh, so you thourhg you were rich with 1 million a year, sorry to break the news to you. But, here is the good news, in order to make sure his rich friends keep ALL their money he is going to let you keep your. Oh yeah, and don’t worry about social security because once we’re in enough conflicts I am sure he has plans to get plenty of the older folks killed off with the youth he will be sending around the world to start wars.

Posted by: shellgirl | August 17, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

McCain’s eyes really light up when he talks about his black and white world view, sacrifice and causes that are greater than our own self interests.
I am not that keen on following McCain’s tough talk down a road that could end in many battles and a war or two.
He said that he “wants to fill out his education by talking some art classes.” I think the world will be safer with McCain working in pastels.

Posted by: doug | August 17, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Peacenuts. Why do you think Putin moved in Georgia?
Because you and the press have weakened the President so much with your adolescent yammering that Putin pretty much figures he can do whatever he wants….that’s why?
If the Orookie, by some miracle, wins…look for more of the same in the next 4 years. You think nuclear power plants are risky…you ain’t seen nothin yet!

Posted by: notafool | August 17, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

“Peacenuts. Why do you think Putin moved in Georgia?
Because you and the press have weakened the President so much with your adolescent yammering that Putin pretty much figures he can do whatever he wants….that’s why?”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Putin moved because the U.S. military is bogged down in a costly war of choice in Iraq.
The fact is, whether you like it or not, Putin can do any damn thing he likes right now, and because of the Bush/McCain foreign policy, we have no recourse but to continue begging them to stop.

Posted by: ChrisNBama | August 17, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

“Putin moved because the U.S. military is bogged down in a costly war of choice in Iraq.”
Didn’t you notice? That war is over. We won…despite the sincere efforts of the world press and people like you.
Try to keep up.

Posted by: notafool | August 17, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

You really can not change who you are -McCain is very likely to take us to another war – no doubt about that-
you can see it , you can feel it, and you may see it if he is elected and we were faced with an international crisis,
especailly if he surrounds himself with the likes of Rummy, Cheany, Rice -
Give credit to Colin Powell -
Obama need to ahve as his secretary of state of Defense

Posted by: sameh | August 17, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Obama’s WHY CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG diplomacy will cause him to be the doormat and laughing stock for all of those who wish us harm. Georgia invasion by Russia may be evidence that this may already be happening. OBAMA IS SENDING THE WRONG MESSAGE TO THE BAD GUYS.

Posted by: Temagami | August 17, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

notafool.
Recent polls say that less than fifteen percent of voters think that Iraq is still an issue. Those number continue to drop as success rolls along. Some of these bloggers will never accept that no matter what.

Posted by: Temagami | August 17, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Who’s surprised that NY Times is floating these balloons on behalf the Obama camp and the DNC?

Posted by: p0s3r | August 17, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

The NY Times has done everything but admit that they are in the tank for Obama and slant their stuff accordingly. NO SURPRISE HERE. Also people who watch the evening news on a regular basis are give a pro dem slant -EVERY NIGHT – no wonder so many people are politically misinformed.

Posted by: Manitu | August 17, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

The NY Times has done everything but admit that they are in the tank for Obama and slant their stuff accordingly. NO SURPRISE HERE. Also people who watch the evening news on a regular basis are give a pro dem slant -EVERY NIGHT – no wonder so many people are politically misinformed.
Posted by: Manitu
Cleary it is you who are politically misinformad. The times back Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: roxanne | August 17, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

” -McCain is very likely to take us to another war”
Why so…Eisenhower did not. Grant did not. I don’t think Andrew Jackson did so.
A good question to research is whether any military man has EVER taken the country into a war. Of hand, I can’t think of one.

Posted by: notafool | August 17, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

marylou
The democrats have over 2 million more new registered voters than the republicans. To day Obama has raised 401 million and McCain 170 million. Who’s fired up?

Posted by: roxanne | August 17, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Many years ago I was attending a Quaker boarding school(high school). Ike (General Eisenhower) was running against Stevenson. Almost all students and staff were dems and supported Stevenson. I happened to ask our very elderly school nurse(Quaker)who she was going to vote for. She said “Oh, I like Ike.” I was pretty much floored. I asked why. She responded, “Who knows more about keeping the peace than a man of war.” Very wise lady as that’s exctly what Ike did do for eight years. He kept the peace. McCain seems in the same mold.

Posted by: Manitu | August 17, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Notafool:
Lincoln and Truman served as well apparently. Any other quips?

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | August 17, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Roxanne.
AND, OBAMA OWNS MOST OF THE NEWS MEDIA, THE ENTERTAINMENT MEDIA, MOST GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, MOST UNIONS AND MOST OF ACADEMIA….. AND AFTER ALL OF THAT HE IS ONLY TIED WITH MCCAIN…. ISN’T SOMETHING CLICKING IN FOR YOU?

Posted by: Manitu | August 17, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

Why is this a matter of the Dems *daisying* McCain and not the whole ountry just being sick to death of running around the world threatening to punch every perceived bad guy in the nose?
Our economy is in shambles, our roads and bridges are literally falling apart, our schools are decaying and our students are failing…yet McCain sees everything through the military will fix it lens.
We absolutely need to reinvest in OUR nation for a change or there won’t be anything left to defend.
Why not ask McCain how he intends to pay for all his black and white, good and evil bluster if he feels we shouldn’t tax anyone?

Posted by: G Davis | August 17, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

Mr. Coffee – your post is a stretch. McCain was a man of war just like Ike. Even more so, he was a prisoner of war unlike Ike. McCain CAN make decisions based upon his experiences in war and world affairs. Obama CANNOT in that he has has had NO experience in either. Obama’s foolish predictions re. Iraq are a good example of Obama’s unpreparedness for the presidency.

Posted by: Manitu | August 17, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

“Cleary it is you who are politically misinformad. The times back Hillary Clinton!”
Posted by: roxanne | Aug 17, 2008 3:43:15 PM
_________________
>>but even when they SAID they were backing Hillary, their columnists and editors were all pro-BO.
Go figure!

Posted by: Tres Curious | August 17, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

People who compare McCain to Eisenhower and Grant miss a very important distinction: both of those presidents had been in positions of command. In the military, McCain was merely a fighter pilot, in charge of only his own aircraft. He was never responsible for making strategic decisions.
People who say the war in Iraq is over are ignoring the daily deaths of Iraqi citizens caused by terrorist attack.

Posted by: Ellamenta | August 17, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

McCain has flip flopped on all the stands he took that he used to claim he was a maverick so I wish he would quit claiming he is still a maverick. He’s now a pandering old fool.
He was right when he said it was irresponsible to give tax cuts to the rich during a time of war, that we unfairly put the burden of war on a small part of our society. Now he has sucked up to tax cuts for the rich are great.
He was right when he said it was irresponsible to drill off the gulf coasts risking further pollution, that it was time to drive towards alternative energy sources. Now he has flipflopped for his oil industry donors.
He’s always been seedy and disreputable, he was involved in the Keating 5 Savings & Loan taxpayer bailout. He’s been living it up on his trophy wife’s income, he hangs around with the same elite base that supported Bush.

Posted by: citizen voter | August 17, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Those that say McCain walked the walk are dumber then dirt. This man cost the Navy, taxpayers, and his first wife plenty by being a “Hot Dogger”. The man should not be placed in charge of a box of rocks, much less the USA.

Posted by: Sue | August 17, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Sue
PROFOUND!!

Posted by: Temagami | August 17, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

McWar?
Sure, that’s all he want – more war, more war, more war.
(seems with low intellect he does not know anything else).

Posted by: Linda,Fl | August 17, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

Manitu: “McCain CAN make decisions based upon his experiences in war and world affairs.”
The question is not if he CAN make decisions, the question is if he can make the RIGHT decisions.
Invading and occupying Iraq has been the singlemost disastrous decision in US history. Bar none. McCain was wrong, despite (or thanks to?) his experience.

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | August 17, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

Linda.
Can you be more specific? What country has McCain said he wants to go to war with? Source?

Posted by: Temagami | August 17, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Willem
Really? When was he last time our homeland attacked by the terrorists? WE being in Iraq has caused the terrorists to put VIRTUALLY ALMOST ALL THEIR MEN AND RESOURCES …… IN IRAQ, which meant that they were not over here doing damage. We got rid of some very bad people, made Iraq into a democracy and protected our butts over here – AND YOU CALL THAT POLICY A DISASTER? Now we are in a position to contain Iran, if they decide to get cute with nukes!! We lost over 3,000 people in an hour and half on 911. Our men and women who died in Iraq kept us safe over here. They did their job and we are proud of them and so are their families!!

Posted by: Temagami | August 17, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Obama needs to study the Principal of the Seven Ps. Prior proper planning prevents ___ poor performance.

Posted by: Jimbo | August 17, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

-Obama is more thoughtful and will prevent wars that don’t have to be fought.-
Right, just like with his “thoughtfulness” he has single handedly reduce violence in this district.
The best thing about the NYT rag is ease with which one can discard the A and Metro sections and keep the rest.

Posted by: hype bites | August 17, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

Senator John McCain should be recognized and applauded for his service to our country.This does not automatically give him carte blanche for the Presidency. His bloodthirst for war is not commendable nor healthy for our country, the United States of America. I feel Senator Obama deserves a chance to make a difference. His youth and energy should serve our country well. Senator McCain should retire from politics. His ideology is too reminiscent of our current administration and CHANGE is needed. War is not the answer Senator McCain, being a veteran should have taught you that a long time ago.

Posted by: bronxliberal | August 17, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

Senator John McCain should be recognized and applauded for his service to our country.This does not automatically give him carte blanche for the Presidency. His bloodthirst for war is not commendable nor healthy for our country, the United States of America. I feel Senator Obama deserves a chance to make a difference. His youth and energy should serve our country well. Senator McCain should retire from politics. His ideology is too reminiscent of our current administration and CHANGE is needed. War is not the answer Senator McCain, being a veteran should have taught you that a long time ago
Posted by: bronxliberal | Aug 17, 2008 8:26:06 PM
A bit harsh, but true.
I would really like everyone to stop knocking Mc Cain’s service or trivializing it. RESPECT PEOPLE.
This does not automatically make him fit for President. Intelligence over Brawn if you please.

Posted by: Mille | August 17, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

I am still waiting for an answer….. can someone out there tell me what was the honorable mission in Iraq?? Why did we lose 4000 brave heroes?? Dont tell me to install Democracy, dont tell me to fight Osama bin Laden, dont tell me to remove saddam Hussien, don’t tell me for weapons of mass destruction. So can someone tell me what was the cause?? Freedom for Iraq?? Please dont tell me we spent 1 trillion dollars, scarred a generation of soldiers and reduced our military for democracy and freedom?? They have 100 Billion reasons to smile those Iraq citizens. Thats how much money they have sitting in a bank while you and I pay our taxes so we can build schools and mcdonalds in Iraq. We were lied into this Iraq fiasco day after day. Oil meney will pay for it, we will find nuclear weapons, stockpiles of chemicals. Yet no one has been brought to trial for this. Iraq is the biggest hoax in the history of humankind. I being a student of history know that the great empires of the past destroyed themselves from within by thinking they could force the rest of the world to be like them. These past attempts all failed. Alexander the great, the Muslims, the crusaders and even the Roman Empire. Did you know that the roman empire also had to hire outside contractors because the military was stretched thin?? Study your history folks or else “you are doomed to relive it”

Posted by: bronxliberal | August 17, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

Still waiting for the answer. Wheres Joe Lie-berman and Lindsey Graham when you need them??

Posted by: bronxliberal | August 17, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Mr. Coffee – your post is a stretch. McCain was a man of war just like Ike. Even more so, he was a prisoner of war unlike Ike. McCain CAN make decisions based upon his experiences in war and world affairs. Obama CANNOT in that he has has had NO experience in either. Obama’s foolish predictions re. Iraq are a good example of Obama’s unpreparedness for the presidency.
Posted by: Manitu | Aug 17, 2008 4:16:36 PM
News Flash Manitu. We still have uh uh an economy to run. An economy that your buddies have run to the ground and alienated our allies. Do you live in America. Do you ride a bicycle, do you have a clue of want we are facing at home. We’re Borrowing money, we spending money in iraq to rebuild it and our bridges are falling. Wake up.

Posted by: Mille | August 17, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Since McCain was featured on Vietnamese radio claiming that he and other Americans committed war crimes, I would have to say that he did do the honorable thing. Most Vietnam vets know that not only what many of them did was wrong, but that the war itself was wrong. Not enough vets are brave enough like McCain to point that out.

Posted by: Mike | August 17, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

By all means, the Dems should highlight McCain’s tendencies to jump vaingloriously on the war bandwagon. After reading the NYT article, I’ve come to the conclusion McCain is like Don Quixote chasing windmills, except he’s earnestly out to destroy them and anyone nearby. The NYT link brought up that soon after 911, McCain proclaimed Al Qaeda was behind the attacks. Never mind, 15 out of the 19 hijackers were Saudi and it was refuted early on that there was no Iraq connection. Never mind, Wanahabism (sp?), the 14th century based extremist version of Islam, was exported from Saudi Arabia. Now he’s waxing bellicose on Russia, like the Bush administration, with a disregard for regional history and the recent chronology of events. I would hope his trigger happy reflexes are examined, and that there’s more originality than daisies involved.

Posted by: kat | August 18, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Actually, this is a good idea.

Posted by: nitpicker | August 18, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

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