Barack and Bill Lunch

Wow Obama is a cheap lunch date!!!
Bill wants him to lose. I know it.

Look at that, questions taken from reporters.
That’s what a candidate who is unafraid of the press does.
McCain came out of hiding place today as well, getting ripped by a reporter from Maine. I am guessing that he is going back into hiding.

Lets see a liar supporting another liar, what a surprise!
Ryan C. – What reporters was McCain hiding from?? I do not consider people asking question from the liberal entertainment org. such as the New York time, MCNBC, CBS and so on!!
And why we are on it, what tough questions has Obama ever answered from anyone?
Also what was promised to Clinton to help Obama?
Is Biden going to drop out?? Is Obama going to Drop Biden, because of Obama’s indecisiveness’s?

Bill knows a little thing about lying to our face too.

Bill Clinton did say that Obama had to beg for him to help him. I guess the begging has started and it does make Obama seem weak. Very weak.
The thoughts going on in Bill’s head. I can only imagine.

Bill loves Hillary and will do anything he can so she won’t be blamed for Obama’s impending loss. You’re better than this, Bill – but we understand.

IGNORE THE GREEN SARAH POLLEN!
Take a hint: Sarah Pollen is all the way in Alaska.
Leave her there with her troopergate!
John McCaint = Bush = 8 years of national and international FAILURE and bad luck for Americans!
Sarah Pollen ‘SHARES THE VIEWS’ of McCaint!
That should be the target.
Obama has the Intelligence, Vision & Vigor to successfully handle the numerous challenges facing America.
McCaint lacks the vigor and vision and intelligence to handle the issues.
That is why McCaint want the election to be non-issue based

Our media is definitely being manipulated. Some because they want so badly for Obama to win – but others because they’re afraid of his team of lawyers and a lawsuit. Remember how Obama won in Chicago? Remember how he blocked a re-vote in MI and FL? Remember how he used the Department of Justice threat to stop the Ayers ads? The Harvard lawyer knows how to use intimidation and the legal system.

I can just see Obama on his knees begging Clinton to run out for a hail Mary pass. If Clinton has an ounce of decency left, he’d say ‘Punt, you fool!’
Obama famous race-baiting trick certainly tainted Clinton’s legacy. Bill has a good memory.

This is great.
Bill is a great speaker and campaigner and no matter what your opinion about the man, he will have a positive impact on the campaign. There is no question that Bill Clinton is respected in the battle states.
It will be interesting to see where all of the photo opts and video interviews will go. This will get a lot of press, too, both locally (of course!!) and nationally. This will increase and clarify the message and get the issues and policies of the Obama/Biden ticket said over and over. More above the muddy non-issue landscape.

Yes mary lou but they are losing, big time. That real clear electoral map looked totally different last month.
Obama 216, McCain 217. Obama is in serious trouble. No way MO is going Obama, and I predict Ohio won’t either. Obama is even losing in Indiana. Which is the neighboring state to Illinois. What a loser.

Seem like Obama is helpless. He can’t give a speech without a teleprompter and he can’t run a campaign without the Clinton’s. What did he have to promise Hillary to get her to throw her support his way at the DNC. And how much more of his office did he have to give to Bill to get him to try to save him? I originally thought he was a smart, capable candidate. Now I beleive he’s just a talking head that can only do what others set up for him. He won’t get my vote. And to the dem’s that are saying they will leave the country if he loses, please do. Jay Marvin has said it on his show. He wants to go live in France. I hope he does and I hope he takes all the other cry babies with him.

I see two presidents standing together. Where’s the old guy who hides behind women’s skirts?

2 presidents have lunch.
and y’all know it.
lol
Mccain wobbles across a room and shouts some angry words and “Palin”
then answers no questions and gives no answers…
like I said 2 Presidents have lunch.
2 Presidents that bookend the last 8 horrible years.

When you look at the Democratic ticket and bench you just know how weak the Republican’s are. I mean the old timer can’t get out from Palin’s skirt. She has proven to be a parrot. What a joke. The Republicans will win when they stop peddelling dog food.

It’s written all over Bill’s face. He want Obama to lose — and so do I.

“I’m going out this month,” Clinton said, “as soon as my Global Initiative is over I’m going out.”
HA! CLINTON IS BLOWING OBAMA OFF!!!!!

The meeting between a former Democratic President and the current Democratic candidate for President speaks worlds about the absence of a meeting between the current Republican President and the currrent Republican candidate.

spock: “Lets see a liar supporting another liar, what a surprise!”
BWAHHHHAAHAAA!!! That’s hysterical coming from a Grandpappy McSame supporter! Both the Geezer and Gidget are the true champions of lies, deceit and misinformation!

I think Bill should give up his job as a fortune teller. I love you Bill but Mccain 216, Obama 217 says Obama loses

stephen gianelli
seems sexism matters most when you are for not giving women the rights they deserve…
That would be the McCain Palin tichet…
you know the one with the guy who has made more than one sexist joke and who laughed (on camera of all places) as Hillary Clinton was called a *#$%^…
yeah all that bologne is going to blow up uin your face
one ticket is fighting for equal pay for equal work (which I personally as a guy can’t believe that is not the law already ugh)
and women to have the right to do with their bodies and have the right to be educated as to birth control…
one ticket fights for the healthcare issues that are killing women and mom’s under it’s out of control lack of humanity toward women’s issues in healthcare
there is one sexist platform in this race…and it doesn’t use a trojan horse VP to try and manipulate that truth.

“Ryan C. – What reporters was McCain hiding from??”
Any. He hasn;t taken question from his pool reporters or held a pressers in weeks.
He has given two interviews in the last 2 weeks and blew off Larry King because Camobell Brown asked Tucker for an example of Palin being CiC and Tucker coulnd’t do it.
“I do not consider people asking question from the liberal entertainment org. such as the New York time, MCNBC, CBS and so on!!”
So McCain can face down Putin and capture Bin Laden but he’s afraid of the liberal media?
“And why we are on it, what tough questions has Obama ever answered from anyone?”
He was just on O’Reilly. Conversely McCain would never appear on Keith Olbermann’s show.
Why? Because he is a coward.

Notice how people on the right argue.
They need to lie to make a point.
(Lipstick gate)
They need to predict the future to claim Obama is lying.
(Obama will raise your taxes!)
They have a deep seated need to insult the opposition rather than point out any errors in the policy.
They need to pretend that the current mess that we’re in hasn’t been presided over by Republican control.
Then they yell and try to cut off the mike.

While Palin is tied to McCain’s hip to build crowds and avoid the press, Obama has an four prong attack of himself, Biden, Hillary and Bill to unleash on the battleground states. They can hit Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Florida at the same time while McCain-Palin can only hit one. Then, they can all come back together for mega-rallies. All this will dominate the news cycle for October.

“but Mccain 216, Obama 217 says Obama loses”
I hope Obama is elected and gets to work fixing our schools.
Look at how poor in math right wingers are.
Last I checked 217 is higher than 216.

mkoch
And the lefties are different?

Oh look, we can’t point out the obvious hostility between Clinotn and Obama.

for those who truly want the best President for their children, our troops and America: Write In Senator Clinton on November 4th!

on a lighter note, they both look dapper :)
handsome men.

Bill, I love you man. But, I disagree.
McCain-Palin08 … “Made in of the Right Stuff”.

Obama paying his “dues” to Don Clintonio…..getting his marching
orders while pretending to give them.
You can bet that Obama has pledged
money from petty cash to help Hillary
in her hour of financial need. You
can also bet that Obama will be washing
his hands with Lysol after the his-
toric handshake. No, the Clintons will
never go away. Yes, they will continue
to rule their party.

Look at the good news Debra!! McCain is gaining!!!

chris..I love Hillary too, but no write ins or sit outs….B. Hussein inches closer to WH. Hillary would understand our voting AGAINST Obama. I think she, Bill and Chelsea will too.

Ole Bill also thought his wife would win the nomination and he also thought that the blacks would support Hillary. Wrong on both counts, Bill. Quit your guessing.

McCain has gained about all he’s gonna. The post-convention pendulum will be swinging back soon.

The Clintons should flip him off their shoulders (like he did Hilliary). Obama is a fake.

I love the pseudo Hillary “supporters” amongst the right. No Hillary supporter would vote for McCain. No Democrat would, either. They’ve seen the result of Republicans in power. These are all Republicans just trying to rile the Democrats, because they can’t win on policy.

Lies. Innuendos. Insults. Strawman attacks. Doesn’t the right have ANYTHING to run on?

“Fixing our schools?”
Yes. Obama plans to scrap No Child Left Behind, invest in charter schools and work on a merit pay system for teachers.
McCain wants to hand out vouchers for private schools.
Obama understands that education is key to us keeping market competitiveness.
McCain self admittedly doesn’t know much about the economy and he knows diddly squat about the educational system of this country.

“I hope Obama is elected and gets to work fixing our schools. ”
Him and his terrorist buddy failed in that regard with the Annenburg Challenge. I have no doubt that Barry will have no problem spending our money.

“What a nice thing 0bama said about Clinton today.”
Just a photo op. He’s attempting to recover disenfranchised Hillary supporters that have left the party.

mkoch…I’m a centrist….so is Hillary and that’s why Bill Clinton won. Victacrats don’t get it….they don’t win elections with liberals. They won’t this time either.
Americans historically vote RIGHT OF CENTER…..2008 WILL BE NO DIFFERENT.

Lies. Innuendos. Insults. Strawman attacks. Doesn’t the right have ANYTHING to run on?

Having followed this contest, I sadly observed that in the past few days when Barack Obama sagged in the polls, the liberal media jumped in to his rescue with a barrage of vicious personal attacks on Gov. Sarah Palin. Obama’s “lipstick on a pig” is a low blow and the liberal media digging dirt is OTT!
Here is one article I find compelling and credible because it comes from no less Obama’s own hometown by Chicago Tribune John Kass. It highlights the difference between Sarah Palin and Obama:
“The young Alaska Republican put her political career on the line by challenging the corrupt, old Alaskan Republican bulls on their sleazy pay-for-play politics and their use of the public trust to fill the pockets of their friends. She didn’t merely talk about abstract change in Washington. She challenged corruption at home, challenged her own party bosses—some of whom are already in prison—at great risk to her political future.
‘It is something I’ve begged and begged Obama to do with the ham-fisted pols in Chicago and Illinois—to not merely talk about change far away, but to take a principled stand even if that stand runs counter to his political interests at home; to challenge the thugs of his own party, to give us a reason to believe he’s the man he says he is. He has politely declined. In this, Obama obviously has more experience than Palin.”

i WOULD LOVE to see McCain putting G-DUB out on the campaign trail.

Too bad O bum a is now thinking about the Clintons’. Hope they tell him so bad so sad, go away……..Me, I’m a Dem who is voting for McCain/Palin.

Maybe. Just maybe. If Hillary gets down on her hands and knees and begs Sarah, she will let her be VP in 2012. Maybe.
Palin ’08, ’12, ’16!
Country First!!!

marylou
as our business infrastructure crash and burn around us
as our foreign relations smolder
as our citizen pound forclosure signs in their lawns
as family members mourn a fallen comrade
ANY MORE EXCUSES FOR BUSH/MCCAIN

Country first.
Obama/Biden.
Don’t fall for the “Experience1…no, wait, I mean change! Yeah, change! Well, I mean, more of the same, but we’re gonna call it change! And stop calling my running mate a pig, even if I’m the only one who did!”

The McCain comment stems from an Oct. 31, 2005, appearance on the Charlie Rose talk show on PBS. He was asked about winning in Iraq. After discussing issues confronting that country, McCain concluded: “Afghanistan, we don’t read about anymore, because it’s succeeded. And by the way, there’s several reasons, including NATO participation and other reasons, why Afghanistan is doing as well as it is.”
A top commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan said Friday that he needed thousands of additional troops to combat violence along the border with Pakistan, a requirement that appears to be at odds with recommendations from Army Gen. David H. Petraeus on future troop levels in Iraq.

“Country first.
Obama/Biden.”
Which country?

wow more lies about muslim bologne…
we are back to 2000 and 2004 again…
same tactics same team…same garbage…
which would mean another 8 years just like we had.
same choice to spend our next 8 years with that same team who tries to play this game of bologne because they have no answers
they have no changes to this policy platform and plan…
the same plan that has been destroying us for 8 years.
how about somebody give is one example of how Mccain is changing anything about the economic platform that has put us here
and please the earmark bologne is the most uneducated argument if you look at who is now on mcCain’s ticket…and that George Bush used the same argument.
but stupid people will be moved by rhetoric rather than going and seeing one campaign has details of the changes to this sinking ship …
one just wants to blindfold Americans with “Obama’s a gay sexist alien from mars who wants to teach buddhism to little children and then harvest their adrenal glands”
Debra
get a new storyline.
and rather than being lazy and using these arguments…go read both of their platforms (you know McCain’s is really simple just photocopy Bush’s…then put bad earmarks…with the caveat not to look at Alaska over the past 2 years percapita ratio of them to other states…and then let the guy who wrote the enron loophole for energy speculators and championed deregulation in the banking industry…make some “small tweaks” as he rewrites it…along with the President of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq …-scheunneman…and then the rest of your lobbyist leadership team have a crack…but still keep it almost exactly the same platform and policies that we have now)
but go read the platforms and educate the fact that one ticket is going to change this crappy road toward the cliff we are on… and one plays games to win an election.
same team same tactics …same 8 years.

Let’s see. Obama has gone around talking about Bush. You would think more than half the country would be voting for him given his campaign is about how he’s not Bush. It’s not working. Even thought the majority of polled Americans can’t really stand GWB, Obama can’t seal the deal. Telling. Very telling. He should be up by much more in the polls.

Hi, Mack!
The United States of America, of course.
What country are you for?
Lies. Innuendos. Insults. Strawman attacks. Doesn’t the right have ANYTHING to run on?
Obama/Biden
The United States of America, first!

Chris – check your facts before you type. Obama was in NYC today for the 9/11 ceremonies. Duh – Clinton’s office is in Harlem, that is in NY, just in case you didn’t know!

Michelle Obamas appearance on “the view” was a farce. the Obama campaign sent a list of questions that could not be asked of her, and Barbra Walters being the left wing liberal she is, said no problem

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Catherine:
“The real reason why Obama did not select Hillary…
ODE TO OBAMA # 14
Now Obama he whines and he moans
But really he shouldn’t have thrown stones.
He made quite a fuss
Threw Clinton under the bus,
And Palin has hurt him to the bones.
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Anyone who thinks Hillary has even the slightest shot in 2012 is delusional. Sarah will carry the ticket for 12 more years. That Manhattan elitist isn’t fit to touch Sarah’s shoes. Pantsuits. Please. She’s such a fraud and everyone I know sees it.
Palin ’08, ’12, ’16!
Country First!!!

“the Obama campaign sent a list of questions that could not be asked of her, and Barbra Walters being the left wing liberal she is, said no problem”
Another lie told by the right wing.
Just like the thrown away flags and calling Palin a pig.
All the right wing has are bs lies.

Also Sarah Palin is getting her first interview today. Not only a list of questions not to ask, but it was done on September 11th so Charly Gibson can not press her on any issues. This woman is a fraud

“Gore/Leiberman were doing better in the polls at this point during their election”
Not really.
Around this time in 2000, Bush led some polls, Gore led some polls.

The Roe v Wade scare tactic is not going to work on women. Nothing will happen to that law.
But with Obama/Pelosi/Dean in control the second amendment might be in jeopardy. BO votes with them 97% of the time.
There are millions of gun owners aware of BO’s voting records on gun control, and his attempts to hide that record.
The way he flips who can trust his word.

“I remember reading on the TUCC website that their congregation pledges their allegiance to Africa first.”
What a shock, yet another right wing lie.
“A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.”

Meanwhile…in Chapaqua, NY…
Hillary is feverishly busy creating posters for her 2012 campaign run.
And Bill knows Obama is toast.

“I remember reading that Todd is active in the AIP.”
Correction.
Todd Palin was a member of the AIP up until 2002 then his wife ran for higher office. Sarah sent their convention this year a congratulatory video.

High level Democrats are admitting in private that they picked the wrong candidate.
McCain sure sent Obama into a tizzy with a woman in lipstick and high heels. Can you imagine how he’d melt against Putin? It’s obvious the presidency is above Obama’s paygrade.

“”I remember reading on the TUCC website that their congregation pledges their allegiance to Africa first.”
What a shock, yet another right wing lie.
“A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.”
Thank you for the correction. They are committed to Africa. Where is the committment to America and the betterment of all Americans? Or is it assumed?

Ryan C…
I’m not positive but I think McCain has said that should be left up to the states.

Yes, one of TUCC’s credos was a non-negotiable committment to Africa. Another was a committment to the black community and committment to economic parity. You may not find all that there now; the site’s been scrubbed as JPT reported right here on his blog.

Nice try Cindy, confusing the numbers of voting statistic with approval ratings. However, anyone who knows anything would point out that the two are unrelated. They are both numbers, however, and I congratulate you on recognizing that.

McCain thinks Roe v. Wade was a flawed decision. He’s right. McCain has said that he would appoint SC Justices who may one day overturn it. It won’t happen anytime soon, but I hope so too.

No confusion I see.
McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time. Bush has a 30% approval rating.
Obama votes with the Dems 97% of the time. The Dem Congress has a 9% approval rating. (Down from 16% this summer.)
Looks like more people would agree with McCain’s votes than with Obama’s.
If you don’t understand that now, you will in November.

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Mack:
“Only a fool would trust his word.”
That includes his claimed Christian faith.
.

“Gee who else had a disdain for big briefing books and let us get attacked on this day 7 years ago.”
LOL! The plan was developed and put into action under clinton’s watch – not to mention the first WTC bombing. It’s quite disengenuous to blame Bush for 9/11, but I understand liberal frustration and desparation.

mkoch – 9% and 97% are percentages not numbers, nice try

Sue-Anne, abortion may very well be immoral. However, some people would disagree. It is often said that you can’t legislate morality – if people are FORCED to be moral, are they really being moral?
If I were you, rather than misstating your opponent’s intent, I’d suggest coming up with compelling arguments to support your view.
If you could convince me God exists, and you know what God thinks, and that life begins at conception, and that at conception we are all granted souls, then I’d be on your side in a minute.
Seriously.

“Congress ALWYAS has terrible ratings.”
The lowest in history? Can you spin it a bit better than that?

It isn’t just overturning Roe v. Wade. Sarah Will make sure that a constitutional amendment banning that sinful practice altogether gets passed. She’ll veto everything until it happens. She’s doing GOD’S work. Everyone I know knows it!
Palin ’08, ’12, ’16!
Country First!!!

“I hear the hostility and jealousy of the lunatic right. ”
You’d better have your hearing checked. Seems like ever since Palin entered the race there has been nothing but whining comong from Barry. Ready to whine on day one.

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base, poach Hillary votes and stoke a class divide. Palin wasn’t the best or most qualified, it’s because he knew she would be a draw to small town America whom they are duping (Sara Palin ain’t like you, folks).
How is this being a “maverick”? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out. Obama said it pretty accurately too – Lipstick on a pig, is still a pig.
The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy and is avoiding the press indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one. She is running for the second highest office, but can’t answer questions from the press or public? This doesn’t alarm anyone?
I lost all my respect for John McCain. He’s not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.
What does it say about a campaign that has to “mimic” what and whom Obama is, not to mention hijack Obamas core message of Change from day one just to poach votes? Is that all they view Obama as, a “product” a “formula”, a “personality”? It makes McCain look weak and more importantly, the American people stupid if they fall for it.
Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause or question just because she has an “R” in front of her name? How can anyone make a honest, clear determination reasonably in less than 60 days?
Bravo America! We look like complete idiots once again while the world watches. I am truly embarrassed of my country. I guess all isn’t lost, at least many will have Palin’s eye glass frames while our country crumbles economically. We are such tools.

I hear the hostility and jealousy of the lunatic right. Hahahaha.
Between Obama, Biden Bill and Hill. Palin/McCain are in trouble. McCain can’t leave her side because she inexperienced and he weak. hahahahah!
Even Britain and Europe know who is the better candidate. The only one who don’t get it are the puppet right-wing.
When conservatives call liberals elitists I take as a complement.

McCain = Ready to Lead on Day One
Obama = Ready to Whine on Day One

I think rich people are the most unpatriotic people in this country.
Look at all this country has to offer you in terms of opportunity and you guys complain about paying your fair share of taxes.
Why do you hate America rich people?

Does anyone really believe that the Clinton’s really want Obama elected? The best thin that can happen is that Obama loses. Then Hillary can run again in 4 years. If Obama wins, the Clinton’s have to wait 8 years to run again. If Obama wins, she can’t run against the sitting president. Obama is foolish to trust the Clinton’s to bail him out. They want him to lose as bad as anyone on the right does.

Mack,
Is that an admission that that the Biuh administration lied to get us into Iraq and McCain was full throated in support for the war?
I will stipulate that Biden voted for the IWR.

Wow! what an underwhelming press release. Clinton will campaign for obama when he gets around to it. or just perhaps Clinton gets too busy to do it. He hasn’t committed to anything. Bill sharp as ever playing little BARRY LIKE A FIDDLE.

“Aug 6th Presidential Daily Briefing on Bin Laden”
That’s all you’ve got to pin 9/11 on Bush? Like that was the first time that intelligence showed that terrorists were planning on using transportation as a terror tactic? Read the investigative report and then get back to us. It doesn’t blame Bush for 9/11 in case you just want to know how it ended, but don’t let that fact ruin your hate-fest. And what’s your excuse for the first WTC attack?

marylou – what major issue has Obama voted on period.

Ryan -
What is “fair share”?
Over 40% of the of those who earn $40,000 or less pay no income taxes.
80% of the income tax revenue is paid by 2% the top income earners.
Doesn’t sound fair to me.
There should be a flat tax rate.
Everyone should give their fair share.
The country survived over a 100 years with no Federal Income Tax. Once there was Taxes on income, government just got bigger and spent all it could.

If Dems were really worried about Roe v. Wade, they should have nominated Hillary. You know, a Dem who could actually win the election.
Posted by: marylou | Sep 11, 2008 4:07:03 PM
That’s about the stupiest thing I’ve ever read.

The MSM told us Clinton lost his political mojo. He did not understand the internet age of campaigning. Another flip flop

“What major issue has Obama voted against the Dems on?”
MaryLou, this is a red herring.
The issue is not how much you vote against your own party.
The issue is whether you agree with policies that are failing. Obama doesn’t have to break away from Democrats.
But it was a nice try.

Bill, a compulsive liar, told Barry ´Don´t have inadequate relationships at the Oval Office´

So when Obama talks about changing Washington, what he means is he’ll institute the Democratic policies that lead us down the path to Socialism. That isn’t change, and it isn’t anything new.
The best reason of all to vote for the McCain/Palin reform ticket for true change.

“Is that an admission that that the Biuh administration lied to get us into Iraq and McCain was full throated in support for the war?”
I don’t support Bush, and I didn’t voted for him in either election. I have no idea if he lied outright or was misled himself. The fact is that there are members of both parties that were beating the war drums at the time. If he lied then he deserves to be prosecuted.

“The Dems had full control over who their nominee would be. Neither Obama nor Hillary had the required number of pledge delegates, so it fell to the Superdelegates to choose the nominee.”
Obama won the pledged delegate race. The Supers were not going to overturn the will of the voters. The Supers shoul dbe done away with anyway.
“Their sole duty is to put forth the strongest candidate.”
Obama consistently polled better than Hillary in head to heads with McCain and he showed he had a much stronger on the ground organization and fundraising apparatus.
He is the strongest candidate.

The Democratic policies that led to the greatest economic expansion in history? Really, marylou.
Here’s “socialism” for you, marylou:
The roads you drive on. The clean, safe water you drink. The 40 hour work week. Child labor laws. Social security. Free public education. Women’s right to vote. Civil rights.
All of these things were liberal, progressive stands.
Conservatives fought against each and every one of them, crying “socialism!”

“Obama won the pledged delegate race. The Supers were not going to overturn the will of the voters.”
And what about the supers that voted against the will of the people that they represented. Kerry comes to mind.

“Susie, Bill Clinton captured, tried and lockeed away the people involved in the first World Trade Center bombing. Go ahead, look it up.”
I thought we were talking about preventing attacks (flashback to Ryan blaming Bush for letting 9/11 happen), not slapping handcuffs on a few terrorist thugs after the fact. Oh, and BTC let OBL go when he had his chances. After Billy-Jeff’s first encounters with terrorism, what exactly did he do to prevent future attacks? Not a damn thing worth mentioning…

“And what about the supers that voted against the will of the people that they represented. Kerry comes to mind.”
That cut both ways actually.
Some people said they would vote as their district did and followed thru on that.
Others stated they woudl vote for the pledged delegate winner.
That is the problem with Superdelegate voters, they can vote for whoever they like. I hope they are eliminated from the primary process next election.

Democrats, please answer:
- Do you really think that the withdrawal of our troops from Irak will make us safer? they will be sent to Afghanistan. Obama wants to increase our soldiers there.
- Do you really think that rising taxes and government spending will help taxpayers and improve the economy? less money for people to live with.
Sounds funny that when socialism has failed in Europe, we want to import it to America. Have a look at Europe and see its disastrous results.

Cindy, percentages ARE numbers, they’re the things we use to count.
Now stop dodging the fact that you lost, the whole “voting with” thing has NOTHING to do with approval ratings.
Further, your analogy is further flawed, because no two Democrats can agree on anything, and there’s no way to judge if Obama voted with Reid, Pelosi and Dean. For instance, I know Obama and Dean opposed the war early on. So stop being silly.

“Ryan C., you do know that Obama isn’t for single payer healthcare, don’t you? Dennis Kucinich was the only Dem candidate who was.”
Kucinich was the only one for an immediate single payer.
Edwards, Obamas and Clinton’s plan have the pathways for us to get to single payer.
Obama has spoken about single payer and he just doesn’t think the country is ready for that infrastructure wise or politically.
“Obama isn’t even for the Universal Healthcare Hillary supported.”
Obama felt that making coverage mandatory for everyone (he mandates coverage for children) would lead to problems like they had in MA.

“- Do you really think that the withdrawal of our troops from Irak will make us safer? they will be sent to Afghanistan. Obama wants to increase our soldiers there.”
Yes. I think going after the terrorist network that attacked us on 9/11 will makes us safer vs killing Iraqis in a civil war we helped foster.
“- Do you really think that rising taxes and government spending will help taxpayers and improve the economy? less money for people to live with.”
Historically the economy performs better under Democrats than it does under Republicans.
Bill Clinton raised taxes, signed SCHIP and balanced the budget.
“Sounds funny that when socialism has failed in Europe, we want to import it to America. Have a look at Europe and see its disastrous results.”
Disastrous results of a better health care system, a better standard of living and a currency that is worth more than ours?

“They only wanted to vote for a woman. Now that we have Palin, none of them have a nice word to say about Hillary. She’s such a fraud.”
Sue-Anne, your vote is based on anatomy, then, and not policy or beliefs or record?
Scary.

considering the obama lemmings chose emotions, speaking ability and youthfulness over experience, issues and leadership, how can they criticize others for supporting sarah palin for such “virtues”?

Chris -
I don’t. I just find Republican criticism of Obama’s experience equally hypocritical under the circumstances.

McCain gives an interview! First in a month:

JohnTx,
Actually that was his 2nd interview this month.
He still has not held a press conference or even taken questions from the national pool of reporters following him on the campaign trail.
He canceled with Larry King last week because Campbell Brown humiliated his spox Tucker when Tucker could not come up with an example of Palin leading the AK National Guard.

Mkoch, I travelled to Europe and found people really fed up of too many taxes, excessive goverment legislation hindering the private initiative, state organisms full of debts which wasted plenty of money, etc. The socialdemocrats in Germany began with Schroeder to reform the wellfare state because they couldn´t afford the expenses, the same that Sarkozy is trying to carry out in France. Even Blair kept many of the tories´reforms.
America is a great country because many foreign people came here escaping from oppression and looking for a better life. We never had a Hitler, a Mussolini or a Stalin, different types of totalitarians, and I pray God it never happens here.
Denigrating America has become a sport overseas but we have one of the oldest constitutions in the world, 1787 before the French Revolution. We must be proud of this. While in Europe they had old absolute kings, we could vote our presidents.

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mkoch:
“In order to win, the Democrats only need to tell the truth about Republicans. Republicans need to lie in order to maintain power.”
Ever consider the integrity, character shown, and experience instead of party there cowboy?

“Obama outperformed Hillary consistently throughout the primaries in head to head polling vs McCain. ”
Where does that information come from?

mkoch….i think everyone understands that Americans are faced with yet another Presidential election where the major party candidates are nowhere near prepared to be the President we need them to be (only Senator Clinton is capable of being that person)

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Ryan C
“If my party had a dozen Congressmen and Senators resigning, going to jail or being indicted for everything from bribery to hitting on pages, I would ask that you focus on the candidate too.”
Thanks. Considering the past records of both parties, it’s time integrity, character shown, and experience count.
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it’s time integrity,”
Woudl that be the McCain integrity after launching negative ad after negative ad with misleading and at times sleazy attacks, McCain blames Obama for the environment because Obama did not join him for townhalls. s McCain in control of his own campaign or not?
“character shown, ”
Would that be the character that caused him to drop his long held position against offshore drilling when it became politically popular?
Would that be character that called Bush’s tax cuts irresponsible during a time of war that he now wants to make permanent?
Would that be charcter that caused a victim of torture to suddenly think torture is ok?
Would that charcter be the guy who hired a man for his campaign that 8 years ago smeared his then 2 year old daughter?
“and experience count.”
What good is experience when you couple it with poor judgmen
McCain says he knows how to get Bin Laden. Well why the hell isn’t he telling Bush?

i’m a progressive/liberal, and i cannot trust obama, especially given his hypocrisy, his horrendous judgment (subjecting his daughters to the occasional, yet disruptive and hateful rants of his pastor), and the hate and racism and sexism that he has intentionally or unintentionally inspired in many of his supporters (intimidating and harassing African-American supporters of Clinton is only one example). That is not the “change” i want. of course, mccain and palin do not have the policies i agree with, but i am more comfortable with the devils i know then the one i don’t. in any case, i would be unable to look my child in the eye and sleep well at night if i voted for a lesser candidate. Thus, I will be writing in Senator Clinton’s name on November 4th.

the links i provided have the polls showing that Clinton would have fared much better than obama against mccain, more often then not…

chris, if you are honest and sincere in your argument, I can only say that writing in Clinton will do nothing but help put McCain in office.
I’d like to hope you reconsider, and stop putting such faith in conservative talking points.

“the links i provided have the polls showing that Clinton would have fared much better than obama against mccain, more often then not…”
They erase links on the blog.
Just tell me where I can find them.
Again out of 54 polls between 9/07 and 5/08, Hillary won 27.
Out of 83 polls between 9/07 and 5/08 Obama won 55.
Also Obama margin over McCain was on average higher than Hillary’s lead over McCain.
My source are all the polls taken which are listed on Real Clear Politics.
What is your source?

“McCain has a background of loyal service and sacrifice to the country.”
His greatest loyalty and service seems to be ended when he left that prison camp.
His loyalty and sacrifice since then has been at best a mixed bag.

mkoch wrote:
“Every conservative attack on this thread has been an insult, a lie, or a psychic prediction of future events”
BillW wrote:
An extreme and gross statement. Typical of Obama supporters.
And I reply:
Which manages to be both an insult and a lie.
:)

Go McCain / Palin. America is with you

Actually, Sue, maybe half of America is with McCain/Palin. The other half is with Obama/Biden.
Country, not Corporations, first!
Obama/Biden 08

mkoch…..obama claims to not take corporate or lobbyist funds, but he has no problem taking money from their ceo’s and spouses, respectively….rules were made to have loopholes…

Chris, as best as I can tell, Obama is still leading electorally in both electoral summations I can find.
The only thing that will make him lose is Democrats and progressives splitting up. There are millions more registered Democrats than Republicans. Republicans know this and will try to splinter off as many as they can.
Don’t fall for it.

Chris,
She lost.
She lost because she made poor choices in her advisers and strategy.
The right wing was going to come with knives out, that I certainly agree with.
But Hillary had so much baggage and such a built in public perception, there is no way she wins the general election.
And her selection as VP?
We’ve seen how much of an attack dog she has been so far this campaign season and to describe my reaction as underwhelmed would be accurate.
Her heart’s not in it. And if her heart would only be in it when she stood to gain personally from it, then she doesn’t deserve the job in the first place.

“also, considering the democratic primaries ENDED months ago with obama as the nominee, it would be hard to find polls now that compare how Clinton would fare against mccain as opposed to how obama would fare.”
That’s why I used the sample of 9/07 thru 5/08. That takes us thru the primary season from the first debates thru most of the elections.
When I said old info I was referring to the electoral college poll which had some updated polling but alot of it was from Feb & March. IOW, the map tells you

“A liar eh? Name-calling is also *very* typical of Obama supporters. It’s a loser’s last resort.”
Lies and hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.

Well, now we know Palin has dropped the Bridge to nowhere reference from her speeches and that she “didn’t blink” when asked to run.
I think the former is news, but I’m not sure about the second.

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mkoch:
“BillW, if you’ll notice, I did not call you anything. I called your statement a lie.”
Hey cowboy, labeling what I said as a lie, is calling me a liar and is name-calling. Then since you threw the first stone re name-calling, I returned it by calling you a loser.

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mkoch:
“BillW, your attempt at Gospel…needs work.”
Agreed. It will be finished in the coming days. :)

ryan c…..considering that obama unfairly and maliciously used the race card by implying that Clinton disrespected MLK when all she did was acknowledge LBJ’s contribution to the Civil Rights Movement was emotional manipulation at its core…..she may have lost the nomination, but not at the cost of her principles, and in no small part due to those easily brainwashed by obama

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Ryan C:
“Lies and hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.”
Now now pilgrim, not so quick. I was for Hillary Clinton.
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mkoch…i am a liberal/progressive and i have become very frustrated with the direction this new democratic party has turned…..pelosi lacks the bite or courage to finally use the democratic majority to bring justice to this worst administration in the history of our nation, or bring about the good policies and plans for which the democratic party used to stand for…..furthermore, the anger, arrogance, ignorance, naivete, sexism and racism as displayed constantly by those who supposedly support obama is an example, coupled with their comparative lack of knowledge about the actual details of his policies (much of which were influenced or borrowed from those of Clinton) is narcissistic at best and dangerously cult-like at worst…..Clinton may have no chance at becoming our next President, much as America, our children and our troops need her, because mccain and obama don’t measure up, but that doesn’t mean i have to stand by and watch as the mob mentality of obama’s lemmings (who are not all of obama’s supporters) attack and harass and falsely accuse anyone of racism for the simple fact that they don’t support obama…..

“considering that obama unfairly and maliciously used the race card by implying that Clinton disrespected MLK when all she did was acknowledge LBJ’s contribution to the Civil Rights Movement was emotional manipulation at its core…”
Actually, I agree with you there on that one, Chris.
That was BS of the highest order.
Of course, Clinton laid the groundwork for the right’s attacks on Obama, so neither side is innocent.
But I don’t need innocence. I need politician who are ready to fight for common Americans, not tax cuts for bloated corporations. Ones that understands the delicate balance between capitalism and social responsibility that makes us the country that we are. One that knows sacrificing freedoms for some faux security IS letting the terrorists win.
The Republican have shown they haven’t learned these things yet.
Thus, without fanaticism or blindness, but with pragmatic, guarded optimism:
Obama/Biden 08

Dreaming: Obama/Clinton ticket. If the Clintons go to bat for Obama during these last 50+ days of campaigning and help him WIN ‘handily’ all is forgiven. Bill and Hill are back in my good graces (which they lost campaigning against Barack). Nothing says Power more than the Clintons.

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mkoch:
I’ll apologize if you can tell me where that’s from…
You mean the ‘Bless you” bit? I don’t know it’s origin, but I heard it at least 30 years ago. Thanks, but no apology needed.
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Looks like I’ve wasted another perfectly good hour, as the Tappan Brothers say.. Oh well, you people be nice now, but don’t overdo it… :)
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mkoch:
“I will say that I have yet to find in recent days a conservative attack that did include, sir, a certain shading of the truth, a certain exaggeration or omission of fact”
Then you’re not looking closely, but your statement is indeed true with regard to me. Thanks. Otherwise a Freudian slip and please disregard my thanks.
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Oops, my bad. That’s what I get for trying to talk edycated like a city slicker.
I suspect, though, you got my point.
:)
I’m sure you’ll disagree, but all I’ve seen from the right are smears, innuendos, outright lies, manufactured outrage, and a staggering amount of misdirection.
When there is actual substance, they tend to slink away.
But that’s just my perspective. :)

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mkoch:
“I’m sure you’ll disagree, but all I’ve seen from the right are smears, innuendos, outright lies, manufactured outrage, and a staggering amount of misdirection.”
Hey, I tried to be nice, but you won’t let well enough alone. Please be specific now, and state verbatim exactly which of my statements you object to. I’ll be back later or tomorrow to reply. You can count on it.
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“Hey, I tried to be nice, but you won’t let well enough alone. ”
I wasn’t speaking of you, Billw, I was referring to the 99% of the other posters out there. I don’t consider you “the right” or the spokesman for it.
Most of the posts have been drive-by smears, no substance, just as I said. Your initial comment to me was free of that, and I give you credit for it.
As to your initial comment, I’m all for “integrity, character shown, and experience” and I saw that in McCain in 2000, but not in 2008. I see more of it in Obama, today.
In McCain I see a man who embraced his opponent when he should have decked him, and who has reversed himself on all the important things and the only reason I can see for this is naked ambition.
I am certain you have a different interpretation, and you’re welcome to try to convince me.
I would like that, I WANT a right wing that can defend their beliefs without resorting to O’Reilly debate techniques: Lies. Innuendos. Insults. Strawman attacks.
The rest of the conservative posters have been less polite than you, however, and less than factual.
The Virginian: If you want to call me that, smile!
Trampas: With a gun against my belly, I – I always smile!

They also spoke about what the next president can do to help make the economy work for all Americans, as it did under Pres. Clinton…

Obama, a 1\2 black African, was in HARLEM to visit Pres. Clinton, 1\1 white…wait did I get that UPSIDE DOWN (who went to whom?)
The Clintons owe a lot of money for Hillary’s failed campaign, and after Palin enters the race, Obama goes to Slick Willie’s HARLEN office, and Obama says that President Clinton is the smartest man in politics! Then why did Hillary lose to a junior senator? Guess Obama blinked (but it is not really his money anyway). Is that the way Obama will deal with Iran?
Obama wants to get away from personal characterics and to issues–but what issue is involved with LIPSTICK?
The democratic party has to be the DUMMIEST on record for this election to even be close!
Billy Bob, Florida where Obama said our votes could not count BEFORE he said they could count. Flip-flop!