Biden Defends Comment That, for the Wealthy, ‘It’s Time to Be patriotic’

Yeah, that’s a great solution, tax the hell out of investors you stupid liberals. Where’s all the disclosure about how the DEMOCRATS were the ones who blocked any accountability to FM/FM?
This whole economic spiral is due to SOCIALISTIC policies where Dems think it’s a “RIGHT” for every American (whether they can afford it or not) to own a home.
I WANT TO HEAR WHY THAT WAS ALLOWED! The Democrats have run this country to the ground and they’re snowballing the American Public with their Kong size cover up. Pathetic.

This little dust up may help Obama in the long run because so many people think that Obama is going to tax the middle class when in actually the Obama tax plan us BETTER for the middle class than McCain’s.
Thus when the dust does settle everybody will know that Obama’s tax plan is to give tax cuts to 95% of working families whichi is 90% of all Americans (the middle class), people making >$250,000 will have their taxes increases to the level it was in the 1990′s, and seniors making <$50,000 will have NO TAXES.
The MORE people know Obama's tax plan the BETTER for him.

Someone has to pay for the trillion dollars we owe the Chinese. The wealthy got the biggest tax cuts under Bush’s tax cuts.
Why shouldn’t the wealthy help save our economy, especially since they have benefited the most?
I makes be sick every time I hear O’Reilly, Hannity, etc. talk about income redistribution. Greedy people that make several million dollars per year.
Where is the religious right? They know what the Bible says about helping the least of these.

Hey Sam -
Think again girl. Obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts lapse, which means a tax INCREASE to ALL families making (combined) as little as 42,000/yr. He’s going to increase taxes on corporations, which, we all know corporations don’t pay taxes because the goods and services they provide to us will COST MORE so they can PAY the tax increases.
Taxing the rich MORE will only mean they buy LESS and employ FEWER PEOPLE!
Increasing investment tax (capital gains) will mean LESS MONEY being invested and stock values declining which means your retirement and pension accounts will be worth NOTHING.
Obama also wants to reinstate the death tax (or increase it) so when you have a family member die, you owe the government HALF of their estate value – not sure what the ceiling is, but that’s a FACT!
Obama has you guys so snowed you’ll be in a blizzard if he gets in.

Even McCain intitially condemned the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, saying he could not vote for them in good conscience. The gravy train years are over for the super rich. They’ve done very, very, very well over the last 8 years and it’s time for them to pay their fair share. And when you put your perceived self-interest aside for the good of the country that is patriotic.
Democrats are motivated by love of country, the GOP elite is motivated by love of the almighty dollar. We see how good that’s been for the country over the last 8 years.

BOTTOM LINE AGAIN PEOPLE:
The reason we are in this MESS is because your democratic congress extended mortgages to RISKY people. Period, that’s it! So much for helping the “poor”. Knowingly giving these mortgages to those who could not afford it or playing the housing market like a casino (flippin’ houses without ever living in them to make a profit) is IRRESPONSIBLE.
If you had a friend who you knew had bad credit, would you lend them 200-400,000 for a mortgage? Bet not and that’s the jist of this mess.
Better start googling what went on during the Clinton years regarding “redlining”. I dare YOU!

Trickle down tax cuts did not work:
A recent Treasury Department release, “Tax Relief in 2001 Through 2011,” shows the reduction in taxes that four hypothetical families with modest incomes are receiving as a result of “legislation enacted during the President’s term in office.”[1] The implication of the release is that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts have been highly beneficial for such families and hence should be extended.
An examination of the calculations on which the paper rests shows, however, that 100 percent of the tax benefits the Treasury computed for all four of its example families come from just three provisions of the 2001 and 2003 legislation: (1) the improvements to the Child Tax Credit; (2) the creation of the 10-percent income tax bracket; and (3) “marriage penalty” relief. By reporting only the aggregate effect of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts on these representative families, Treasury’s release masks this fact.
Some readers may mistakenly conclude from the release that many of the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 are contributing to the overall tax benefits the example families are receiving, when, in fact, few of the 2001 and 2003 tax-cut provisions touch low- and middle-income people.
The Treasury release consequently is likely to do more to obscure than to illuminate the choices policymakers face regarding which provisions of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts to extend and which to allow to expire as scheduled at the end of 2010.
http://www.cbpp.org/3-3-03tax.htm

Biden you can start by giving more to charity (his tax returns have been released). I give more to charity than this guy does.

Nice link – worried about paying for social security and medicare. Obama wants to nationalize healthcare, isn’t Medicare national health care – the government can’t even fund Medicare for ONE group of people and they expect to nationalize it for ALL? Gee, just like we did the mortgages? Everyone is entitled to everything and Obama wants everyone to go to college too? Give me a break!
You may think taxes are “patriotic” but I am sick of watching people get refunds of $5,000 who make over $9.00/hr from EIC and Obama is wanting to triple that – great! Now I get more out of my paycheck each year, but I should feel great because I am helping the poor. NOT!
The US government was not intended to be a source of benevolence and neither is my paycheck. I’m already paying for SSI and Medicare and will probably not get a thing when I am eligible. I’ve had it!
Entitlements – gag me.

How about this Joe?
I say it’s time you and your elected cronies (of whatever political party) start showing YOUR patriotism and reduce government spending across the board. Reduce taxes across the board. Reduce or eliminate handout programs across the board. Stop rewarding sloth, laziness, greed, across the board.
And help return this nation to its values:
Self-reliance
Thrift
Limited government
Merit based achievement
Individualism

Hey Joe,
What about all those taxpayers who after deductions, credits and the EIC pay ZERO taxes?
Are they patriots?
And how will Obama’s tax cuts help them? Last time I checked 0 x 0 = Zero. Or are you using that Democrat math?
obamayomama: I have been making the point that when the Bush tax cuts expire everyone’s taxes will go up if Congress does not intervene. Sadly, no one wants to face facts. Glad you get it.
Now, those who don’t want to face facts, just what is the likelihood if, when the Bush tax cuts expire, Dems hold the majority in Congress–what do you REALLY think is the likelihood of tax cuts for anyone? From my experience, the Dems never saw a tax they didn’t think was too high.
Oh, sorry you think President Obamessiah will take care of it? Time to read your Constitution boys and girls–tax bills start with Congress not the President. He only gets to sign it if and when it shows up on his desk.

This is not a winning strategy for the Dems to tie paying taxes to patriotism. As another poster pointed out, some people don’t pay any taxes. Are they unpatriotic? When I see someone decked out buying groceries with an EBT card, it makes my blood boil. This is not a winning strategy.

Why do you people keep saying the rich got the tax cuts under Bush?? My husband and I are retired. Under Clinton in the 90′s (due to the highest tax raise ever by any President (1992)when we were working, we never got a refund back. We paid through the nose. We retired in 2000 when Bush was elected, and due to his tax cuts, we get a refund back every year. He rolled back the tax tables and upped the standard deductible and dependent deductible. He has also given two tax rebates back to the people. My daughter and her husband make exactly $250,000 together and their taxes are unbelievable. They couldn’t even deduct for their two children because they made too much money. So I’m sick and tired of hearing about all these tax cuts Bush did for the rich. My husband and I both have a small pension from our company (which is taxed) and our Social Security payments (which we earned, having paid into it for 35 years), so we are definitely not one of the rich!! If Obama gets elected, I worry because no Democrat has ever lowered taxes for anybody!! And why do all the movie starts hate Bush if he gives them all these tax cuts!!!

OH, and gee, how about we drill for our own energy resources and provide JOBS HERE IN THE USA so we can PAY more taxes to give to the lower classes. How about instead of strangling General Motors and taxing our corporations to the tune of 35% and forcing standards upon them (so we can all be green), why don’t we eliminate a lot of that and let the free market THRIVE. Gosh, what a concept. GET OUT OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR’S WAY and quit using the government as a welfare company.

Of course Biden who gave $396 dollars total in charity is VERY patriotic! I hope the congress has to pay their portion for patriotism. My guess is they won’t, Hoe can people be so stupid???

What about the illegal immigrants? How will Obama tax them? Oh, that’s right, the Americans will be paying for the health care and welfare for all the people who do not belong here. We will be a third world country like Kenya when Obama is done.

The GOP has held the White House 28 of the last 40 years, including the last 8; nominated seven of the nine Supreme Court justices and held Congress for 12 of the last 14 years, including 6 of the last 8.
It would be great, if the GOP Cultists, would remember God gave them brains… to actually use.
The only Socialism is the Corporate Socialism, bailing out failed Corporate entities.
Me… I’d prefer to help PEOPLE in need, than corrupt Corporations.

Typical White Elephant: *HIGH FIVE*
Trickle down taxes only land on the CONSUMER regardless of tax bracket.
Obama has everyone starstruck with his 95% mantra, so starstruck that they don’t realize how all his other tax increases and elimination of tax breaks will affect them in bad ways. Many of those 95% americans WORK for that 5% who are also referred to as EMPLOYERS!
Gag me, I am watching OReilly who is talking about the filthy rich and billionaire and liberal financier George Soros back Obama.
wow, one of his campaign advisors, Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran. Wow. Penny Pritzker, another Obama filthy rich supporter and campaign worker, if not advisor. All these ultra rich Chicago backers. Hmmm, wonder how far away we are from Chicago Mafia backers?

Yes, Jon, there are people in REAL need, but there are also people who know how to play the system. We call them parasites living off your hard-earned money. My husband worked for Pratt-Whitney in the 60′s. We had two small children. I didn’t work because of the children. He made $2.60 an hour. We lived on peanuts and the pawn shop! Never thought of asking the government for money. We had too much pride. Today, there is no pride, just gimme, gimme, gimmee.

isnt it rather telling how just the THOUGHT of a liberal black man with his “uppity” hand on the the tax handle has the rich white upper crust (aka lady rothschild & co.) shaking with dread…
pathetic but its soooooo sweet!!
PAYBACK TIME!!!!!
I FREEEKING LOVE IT!!!!!!!

It’s ridiculous to tie patriotism. The average american is taxed to extremes now. Obama can’t cut taxes. Congress has to do that. We don’t need a king that makes all the decisions. What’s he and congress going to do about about the high gas prices? We don’t need the rich pitted against the middle class. Obama is taking money from those he and Biden are slamming. They’re only giving lip service. After the election, the pols need a good cleansing.

Bah, I think Barney Frank, along with Obama were in on the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Commissions as well as ACORN. In fact, dear Obama made a lot of commissions, second highest in fact. Why don’t you read up on who is really responsible for this housing financial crisis??? And who sits on the Banking Committee — Chris Dodd — a Democrat! And also, the economy was doing great until the likes of Pelosi and her bunch were elected in 1994. Naturally they weren’t going to help Bush in any way –they made sure everything was going to go downhill. Their boss is George Soros, by the way. He runs the Democratic Party. Of course, there really isn’t a Democratic Party anymore. It’s the Progressive-Socialist-Communist Party.

Jessie:
Read my initial post again. You have misquoted me. I am not “rich”, I am in the middle class and am being taxed out the whazoo, so much so that in the last 5 years, I have lost over 20% of my income.
So, SUCK IT.

That’s the way it was back then. Nobody made too much but we knew it wouldn’t stay that way. We still were happy because we were young and probably didn’t know any better. I later went to work for Pratt too after the kids were in school, and now we both have 401K’s, thanks to United Technologies, of which Pratt is a division. So Pratt eventually did great for all its employees. The 401K’s are the best thing a company can do for an employee. And besides the 401K, we each get a pension from Pratt. So glad I was a slave for a while. Proves if you work hard, good things happen.

lynne the movie stars all hate bush because he is a moronic conservative and they are intelligent liberals .
thats why they (almost to a letter) support obama. they dont mind paying taxes because they are trying to be ethical ,like most liberals .
their aim is not to make the most money ,or save the most, but to GIVE the most back to the country and its hard working people.
check out what these “liberals” give to charity yearly ,non profit REAL charities too ,not the sham charities the republicans set up that actually MAKE MONEY!!!
support who your conscience allows but dont try any of that republican bs about ” oh when i went to school way back when i had to walk…AND IT WAS UPHILL BOTH WAYS(and my shoes had holes in them etc etc !!”
sheesh!

Lynne:
You can’t make sense out of way left liberals. The ultra rich dems (Oh, I forgot to mention Kerry & Big Ketchup) pointing their fingers to rich republicans…pots and kettles I say.
The funniest part is where George Soros, who pays NOTHING in American taxes funds these whackos via moveon.org He’s got Obama in his pocket – right where he wants him.
I, for one, don’t want Obama in because his dirt will come out during a presidency and not before (that’s how it’s planned with the media)- he’s getting softball interviews while Sarah Palin is getting crimes committed against her by the left. I don’t wanna hear about lipstick, pregnancies and all that rot; I want to hear about SAL ALINSKY and what association Obama has with him. I want to hear about Sal’s son writing about how Obama is following Sal Alinsky’s book about radicals to the TEE. THOSE are the ISSUES.
And, now, today, Michele Obama is telling us to vote on issues and not because someone is a hero or is pretty; GAG ME – and people are voting for Obama because he’s BLACK? AND, he keeps reminding us he’s black?
Sorry for the rant. All this spin just has me riled – no accountability for the liberals.

yeah lynne do some reasearch on 401K s will you? they are another HUGE republican engineered rip off lie, for the average employee anyway .
sure , they do allow someone to get a pittance return after about 25 years (that is IF the financial market dont go under,like they just have started doing …ask ANYONE what their 401 k is worth this week vs last month…SHAME SHAME ON YOU REPUBLICANS !!!)
i see your point lynne ,but you need to quit living in 1964… you know ,if someone could go back to 1864 , they could actually LEGALLY OWN A SLAVE(s) AND MAKE ALOT MORE PROFITS AND NEVER WORK A DAY.
SOUNDS LIKE THE REPUBLICAN DREAM TO ME!!!
its inevitable that the 401k fund structure will be re-vamped to be fair for the employee under the democrats , and it wont be a tax loophole anymore for the rich.
THINGS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT!!GET READY!!

bah, for your information, our money on our 401K’s are not tied to the stock market. At present, we are getting 6.5% interest, and when we retired, were getting 12% interest. So we have quite a nest egg — if we can just keep Pelosi’s hands off it. She says she is going to put another tax on these mean old rich people with their big 401K’s. But we already pay tax on any withdrawal — like 28%!! In fact, I paid all my income tax on my 401K each time it was deducted from my paycheck. I only owe tax on the interest.

Milton -
Hahahahaha, don’t drown in the koolaid

Milton -
Hahahahaha, don’t drown in the koolaid
—————
Don’t worry,
With the republican econonic “plan”, I won’t be able to afford it

whatever lynne ,some people want to be fairly treated AND get a vacation once in awhile.
you sound bitter now. i will let you fume in private…but remember this …your taxes ARE going up ,and your kids too, and i am glad!
YOU SHOULDVE WORKED SMARTER INSTEAD OF HARDER!!!
and yes lynne most actors and actresses (movie stars) are very intelligent, they can read(and understand) literature that most people couldnt even begin to comprehend ,most of them anyway .
and, again if you want to be fair ,check the charity funds that the democrat “movie stars” (that sounds so beverly hillbilly, dear ) give to and who is doing the giving…

It’s always great to see guys like Joe and “Barry” pushing tax relief for millions of Americans who don’t pay a red cent in Federal taxes. What these deadbeats are able to do, quite reliably, is locate the D’s on a ballot and check the boxes next to them; and as long as they are able to do this, they can always count on being the beneficiaries of a grateful Obama administration. Do you, as a taxpayer, ever wonder how much economy-stimulating crack or MD 20/20 you could buy with $1,000 in “Obama Dollars”? I’d bet you anything a good ACORN community organizer could tell you!

Is it fair to assume that Biden meant to say the rich had not been patriotic by his phrase “time to be patriotic”? Now think about Obama’s wife’s statement about her “first time proud about America”.

You GO “PaPa Joe”!
A single mother from West Virginia.
Momma’s4Obama/Biden08!

NOT ONE SERVICEMEMBER MAKES $250,000
Their sacrifice pales in comparison to the CEO’s of this country.

sad to say lynne but i have met you..well people who are just like you …i have worked for them and know what? they (evidently from the wages they offer) expect me and the rest of their employee/slaves to eat peanuts and sit at home every night watching shadows on the wall (like they did ..sigh…)while they pay “peanuts”.
not happening anymore, illegal free labor is on the way out ,and employers are going to be watched A LOT more closely how they treat the american worker.
those good old days(for the rich anyway) are going to be memories by and large in 10 or 15 years, and things WILL be different. GOOD RIDDANCE AND I HOPE ALL REPUBLICANS WILL MOVE TO HAITI AND SAVE A LOT ON TAXES!!!!

I’m middle class. I made $45,000 a year, until I recently was laid off. I’m not lazy, obamayomama. I also know that the Clinton years were excellent for ME, economically. I know that I’m much worse off now, (and also much more unemployed) than I was then. I remember the Reagan years. Unemployment and homelessness were all I heard about as a youngster. How can anyone possibly think that a republican administration can fix this??

How do I sound bitter??? I have three wonderful children, my son was a pitcher in the major leagues, my daughter is a Material Engineer at the Los Alamos Lab, and my other daughter is a Supervisor for Palm Beach County. I have 5 wonderful grandchildren and I go to Las Vegas twice a year!! What is wrong with my life?? I just don’t want to see it destroyed along with my children and grandchildren’s lives. I used to never worry too much about who was President, Democrat or Republican, but this year is different. There is something really strange about this election and who is really pulling the strings for Obama. When you go into that booth or stall to vote, think about it for awhile and ask yourself what Obama really stands for. We don’t know!! But, really, bah, I’ve enjoyed chatting with you. I’m not going to change you and you’re not going to change me. Hopefully we will both come out on top either way. Have a good night!

yeah lynne same to you. enjoy your lifestyle while you can , you and your family will defnitely be required to make some changes soon though.
ps…might want to stock up on some Planters tm.

Lynne, above, is exactly right.
We DON’T know what Obama stands for.
The liberal media and their absurd love affair with this man, have not done their job and made him answer the tough, necessary questions in order for us to find out who he really is.
In three weeks, they have investigated and pried into the life of Governor Palin, who is running for Vice-President, ten times more throughly than they have ever looked into Obama’s life.

Bah, Jessica B., and Samantha,
I am just dumb misplaced hillbilly from Kentucky here in Chicago.
Couple of items: Liberal Stars are niether more or less ethical than those of us who are moderates with conservative leanings. It is nice that they have their thoughts and they get to play. However, they like others tend to like sound bytes and not the truth.
Current economic crisis – three parties at fault – 1) the Banks who made loans they never should have to those who did not have the means of paying. 2) Congress – Democratic and Republican who pushed banks to make loans to all americans so they could share in home ownership. 3) The people who took loans for more than they could afford to buy omes to keep up with Jones, to pay for weddings or with ARM’s and then claim they didn’t read the papers about rate increases or prepayment penalities.
I am no where as Intelligent as Hillary Clinton, but obviously she skipped school the day they taught reading as she claimed that she could not read those loan papers. Kentucky Public School, and University of Kentucky taught me how to read. Unlike a lot of people, I read all contracts I sign. Holdover from having served in the US Army (by the way when did Sen. Patriotic Biden serve?? Oh thats right he never did!
My wife and I earn 250,000 a year, we pay 20% federal taxes, State income taxes, county sales tax (the highest in the nation), and we give 15 times more to charity than Sen. Biden.
I do not need an idiot to tell me if I am patriotic or not, and not some liberal who has only been that way in the last 7 years. Unlike my family and my friends all of which pay taxex, buster our asses to get to where we are.

Way to go Chris!!! Now, you are intelligent!!! You hit it right on the mark.

“The American economy is the envy of the world, and we need to keep it that way” “I’m not an economist” “The fundamentals of our economy are strong” George W Bush – Aug 9, 2007
“The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should” John McCain – Dec 17. 2007
“Our economy, I think, still the fundamentals of our economy are strong” – John McCain – Sep 15. 2008
Does anyone see a pattern here? Are 50% of the American people really stupid enough to still support either of these two clueless idiots?

Obama is tied to radical left wingers who want to turn the US into liberal Europe. George Soros? Maybe many of you don t care about this. But this American does. Lady Rothchild, a famous wealthy Hillary supporter just withdrew her democrat support in favor of John McCain citing loyalty tocountry above party. I acknowledge this woman’s courage.

Palin Email Hacker is Son of Democrat Tennessee State Senator according to the FBI
David Kernell, a college student has been positively identified as the perp who hacked Sarah Palin’s Yahoo account.
State Rep. Mike Kernell said today that he was aware of Internet rumors about his son being the subject of speculation that he accessed the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
Asked whether he or his son, a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville, had been contacted by authorities investigating the break-in of Palin’s account, he responded:
“Me, no.”
As far as his 20-year-old son, David, he said: “I can’t say. That doesn’t mean he has or hasn’t (been contacted by investigators.”
Kernell, D-Memphis, cited the father-son relationship.
He said he had talked to his son today, but that he talks to his son regularly.
He declined further comment.

The Liberal media is such a SHAM in this country its unbelievable. When MCcain puts out an AD its Negative, When Obama does the same Negative Ad, its Fighting back, Sheer Hypocrisy.
The Washington Post had a survey recently showing 75% of Obamas ADS have been Negative while only 55% of MCcains were Negative, but if we are to believe all the Noise from the Liberal media one would think Obama is such a nice guy and Mccain is the bad negative one. People can believe what they want, come Nov 4th AMERICA WILL DECIDE!!.

ABC needs to report on Amir Taheri’s story about how “Barack Obama tried to stall GIs Iraq withdrawal” for political gain, and why China got the oil contracts in Iraq instead of USA, how democrat senators Claire McCaskill, John Kerry, and Schumer, asked the Iraqi government not to grant any oil contracts to USA until after the elections. Also, stop playing softball with Obama, and be hard on him as you have with Governor Palin.

Patriotic to pay more taxes? This idiot had been in Washington way to long. This is the change we are supposed to vote for?

PALIN BACKED RON PAUL DURING PRIMARY? http://www.veeppeek.com
MORE AND MORE KEEP COMING OUT ABOUT PALINS ALLEDGED AFFAIR. http://www.hotpres.com

C’mon people. Really? Like tax increase/cuts, what Biden says, what Palin wears are the most important things that need to be debated right now. Really?
Problem is that none of our interests are being served by either party, and probably haven’t been in the last 8-12 years.
Clinton’s last 4 years mired in scandal, Bush an utter failure, do-nothing Republican congress, Do-even-less Democrat congress after that. Seems there is blame to go around both sides… but it still doesn’t solve a single problem.
We’ve all had our eye off the ball for so long debating both sides’ ‘manufactured talking points’ it’s no wonder they’ve been robbing us blind and selling America to the highest bidders whether they be corporation or foreign country.

The Obama Campaign
“Obama or DIE”
Puff Daddy/P Diddy/whatever chanted “Obama or die” and urged his peers to elect the “first black president.”
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. ”
“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.”
“I want everyone to give me $5 dollars. I dont care how poor you are. you can afford $5 dollars!”
The spectre of race riots in the street if Obama does not get the nomination is reminiscent of Obama’s cousin in Kenya, Raila Odinga, and his party, the ODM, threatening and then causing mayhem after the 2007 election in Kenya.
Brazile used scare tactics to assure that Superdelegates supported her candidate, Obama, by saying that “there will be blood” if her candidate did not receive the nomination.
Tennessee state Rep. Mike Kernell (D) has his son David hack in to Governor Palin’s email.
There is a connection between David Kernell and David Plouffe— Barack Obama’s Campaign Manager!

I am asking everyone to email a note to Senator Boxer who is the head of the Senate Ethics Committee to ask him to investigate Sen Obama breaking the Logan Act in his attempt to get Iraq to not withdrawl troops until he took office. This is a well known story with Iraqi saying he requested it. Here is the note I sent. you can put your name in place of mine at the bottom. Please make sure you include your name and state and county at the bottom. You can exclude pumapac if you desire. Please do a bcc or blind copy if you can to prowl@pumapac.org
The more people who do this the better chance we have of getting some action on this terrible act of treason and selfishness allowing people to maybe die in a war so he could be elected. Everyone is invited to come to blog.pumapac.org a place where the common person is trying to have his voice hear. A super friendly place. please pass this around to other blog sites that might attract people to join in this effort.
Senator@boxer.senate.gov
SUBJECT: Obama in violation of Logan Act!
9/19/08
PumaPac.org
Contact: Murphy@pumapac.org
Dear Member of the Senate Ethics Committee,
I am writing to request that you open an investigation into the actions of Senator Barack Obama with regard to his July visit to Iraq. News reports, as well as the statements from Senator Obama’s own campaign, confirm that Senator Obama attempted to negotiate a plan for troop withdrawals and a framework for the American presence in Iraq in such a way as to benefit him politically. This is clearly an unethical way for a member of the United States Senate to act, using his status and leverage as a Senator and prominent candidate to undermine the Administration and to benefit his own political career. It also appears to be a direct violation of the Logan Act.
From the Logan Act:
“Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
I am a member of Puma PAC, People United Means Action (http://pumapac.org). We are the Voice of the Voters in the Democratic Party and we strongly oppose Senator Obama’s selection as our Party’s nominee. We believe he is an unethical politician, disloyal to the fundamental values of our democracy.
Thank you for your consideration and time.
Sincerely,
first initial and last name and county state
Puma PAC Democrat

To: Democrat No More/Sep 19, 2008 2:31:03 PM
Count on me. I will send a similar email to my military and civilian friends to ask them to write to Senator Boxer. Thanks.

From “A Simple Lesson in Economics” by David Kamerschen, Ph.D
Putting tax cuts in terms everyone can understand:
Suppose that everyday, 10 men go out to dinner.
The bill for all 10 comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
Man 1 would pay $0
Man 2 would pay $0
Man 3 would pay $0
Man 4 would pay $0
Man 5 would pay $1
Man 6 would pay $3
Man 7 would pay $7
Man 8 would pay $12
Man 9 would pay $18
Man 10 would pay $59 (the richest)
So that’s what they decided to do.
The 10 men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite
happy with the arrangement, until one day the owner threw them a curve.
“Since you are all such good customers”, he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20″.
So now the dinner for the 10 men only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat free.
But what about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his “fair share”?
The six men realized that $20 divided by 6 is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then Man
5 and Man 6 would now end up being PAID to eat their meal.
The restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same percentage as they were paying, so he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
Man 5 now paid $0 instead of $1 (100%
savings)
Man 6 now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%
savings)
Man 7 now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%
savings)
Man 8 now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings)
Man 9 now paid $14 instead of$18 (22%
savings)
Man 10 now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings)
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the
restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
“I only got a dollar out of the $20″, declared Man 6. He pointed to Man 10, “but he got $10!!”
“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed Man 5. “I only saved a dollar too. It’s unfair that he got TEN TIMES more than
me!!!”
“That’s true!!” shouted Man 7. “Why should he get $10 back when I only got $2? The WEALTHY get all the breaks!!!”
“Wait a minute, yelled the firs! t four men in unison. “We didn’t get
anything at all!!. The system exploits the poor!!!!”
The nine men surrounded Man 10 and beat him up.
The next night, Man 10 did not show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time
to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have
enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!!!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. They people who pay the
highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too
much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.
There are lots of good restaurants elsewhere.

I seem to remember a time when it was patriotic to fly and respect the Flag, and to support our military in time of war, regardless of the politics.
Man, talk about a paradigm shift!

By definition, your business is still a small business, and not a large corporation. Therefore, you will actually fall under the part of the Obama tax plan that allows for tax RELIEFS. It’s great that you have a company, live happily, and have 11 employees. The reality is that you are a good person, and are personally accountable to the people you employ. The trickle down theory does, most likely, work in your situation. However, your company, most likely, does not even come close to the amount of money even the smallest of big businesses bring in in a year. They employ hundreds of people, and most employees will probably never meet their CEO, making the business impersonal and objective. Therefore, a CEO who makes more money than all of his employees put together has no reason to improve the standard of living for his employees. He doesn’t even know them!
Democrats cater to the needs of the majority, which includes small business owners and about 90% of the rest of Americans.

Both parties serve special interest groups, and thats it. I’m voting against Obama on a single issue. Patriotism,I’m my brother’s keeper, gimme a break. We’re all out for ouselves. Its the American way.

He who has the gold makes the rules. Social Darwinism at its finest.

I was one of those women who raised two children, went to college, and held down a job for 4 years without the help of welfare and other such programs. If I can do it so can you. Dont be so lazy and get up and be somebody. Its your right as an American to better yourself and help this country to be strong. Not cry for a handout. ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU…BUT ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY!! I think that was a dem that said that!