McCain Camp Says Biden’s Remarks on Stem Cell Research are ‘Offensive,’ ‘Disturbing,’ ‘Desperate’

I wish people would differentiate between embryonic stem cell research, which most all pro-life people are against, and adult stem cell research – which has shown greater promise and results – which everyone and their dog is for….. any thinking person knows the embryonic stem cell research is just another way to fiscally empower the abortion industry. My grandmother died with Alzhiemer’s, my mother has it now – but both of these dear ladies would never sanction the killing of an unborn child for any reason – especially to better their own life.

as America is losing it’s battle with world markets on engineers, science, invention, math…
and education on those matters is being frought with battles against anti-science beliefs…
Mccain picks Palin… another reason this is just a sad state of affairs
America goes down the tubes because Mccain wants to continue the tactics of the last 8 years in policy and cover up.
wake up America you have been duped by this for 8 years of decline…tricked and played…
now same team same tactics going for the 9th year.
throw the “anti fact, anti science, cover up mistake” bums out.

One part of this issue that I can’t understand is why anyone would be opposed to even using existing frozen embryos that are SLATED TO BE DESTROYED? Why is there never any outcry from the rabid antis about that? Total hypocrisy, that’s why. Adult stem cells as well as those destined for the incinerator should be taken advantage of for research, and now!

–Pete–Perhaps Obama supporters should know that Obama has AC/DC tendencies and has been caught. It was headlines in the news stand a few weeks ago. Being on the campaign trail and in hotels make it easy. Ask Michelle.

Martin
What’s AC/DC tendencies?

Flynn: I respect your thoughtfulness and understand your concerns. I do disagree, though. And I truly can’t understand how you would be able to vote for the Republican ticket and mantra. I don’t believe Sen Obama will be as far to the left as you fear, because no President can do that and get anything accomplished. But if you actually research where each candidate stands on the issues that will deeply impact the course of this nation, taxwise, healthcarewise…the Republican party only has slander and sarcasm, not solutions. I think John McCain, since he has become the candidate especially, has caved to the pressure of the Republicans running the show. He has shown no real backbone and now with this choice of VP, caved to their political views.

Wow, now we can go into Biden’s church, The Catholic Church, and film the priest saying Stem Cell Research is killing of a living thing.
Go to the video tape. Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth. IS he a catholic?

Biden is a Catholic and supports abortion and stem cell research. Isn’t that being a hypocrite? Isn’t that par for the democratic course?

No wonder Obama is loosing Catholic support!

Obama has AC/DC tendencies and has been caught.
Posted by: Martin | Sep 9, 2008 2:02:24 PM
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Well alright then.
Bailiff, whack his pee pee!
There, he’s been punished

McCain has Sado-masochistic tendencies and has been caught!
video tape at 11!

For someone who refers to herself as a “pitbull with lipstick”, these Palin supporters are surprisingly thin skinned. That and totally hypocrytical. Oh wait, Sen McCain is at the top of the ticket. Whatever happened to him?

Shellyt, I absolutely disagree with you. Mcain shows “no real backbone?” McCain is the man who said, and meant, that he would rather lose an election than lose a war. He then backed up those words by taking an unpopular stand. And the Republican party “only has slander and sarcasm, not solutions?” Shelly, candidates of both parties engage in slander and sarcasm. Barack Obama is no better than Clinton or McCain in that regard. Your response to my post reveals a level of immaturity that is typical of the pro-Obama posts that I read. You indicated that I should “research where each candidate stands on the issues.” I’ve done exactly that, and come to the conclusion that John McCain, while not perfect, is the better choice in this election.

Biden would be President if he had hair -go ask him. he said so.

It’s not above my pay scale to know when life begins. It begins at birth. There, now you know.

From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65qxee
Sunday, September 07, 2008
10 Ways in Which, For Women, Sarah Palin Is *Exactly* Like George W. Bush
1) Like Bush, she is completely against a woman’s right to choose (in fact, she exceeds Bush in that she is against a woman’s right to choose even in cases of rape or incest;
2) Like Bush, she opposes stem cell research to prevent fatal diseases in men, women and children;
3) Like Bush, supports the teaching of Creationism alongside Evolution in public schools;
4) Like Bush, does not believe that Global Warming is man made;
5) Like Bush, has supported abstinence-only sex education methods that have proven ineffective;
6) Like Bush, has virtually no foreign policy experience prior to running for national office–(in Palin’s case, despite a 72-year old, chronically ill running mate)
7) Like Bush, has engaged in conduct that has resulted in current government investigation of her actions;
8) Like Bush, has made statements which indicate lack of knowledge of basic elements of the office they are running for (Palin, July 2008: “What exactly does the Vice President do everyday?”);
9) Like Bush, has been sequestered to prevent her being asked questions that she has not yet been prepared to answer;
10) Like Bush, talks like a reformer–yet in her actions (i.e., relying on lobbying, supporting the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it) acts in the most typical, all-too-familiar fashion.
H/T: On The Issues
Cite:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65qxee

Thinking:
You said that you don’t support abortion in general. I think I can speak for all pro-choicers when I say that we don’t support abortions, either. We support the right to choose. It is an important distinction.

I hear Pelosi’s so worried, she’s going in for more plastic surgery.

Biden sucks,
Hillary will step up to the plate in 4 years.
Sadly, that’s all we have now, but the vindication will be evident.
Let’s just hope Pailin’ McCain hasn’t sunk the ship by then.
IS EIGHT YEARS NOT LONG ENOUGH TO GET BACK ON GOOD ECONOMIC TRACK AND TO START LIVING LIKE THE 90S AGAIN? WHO KNOWNS WHERE THEY’LL BE IN 4 YEARS? BE SMART.

Palin a trojan horse for whom? Russia? Canada? Talking about Trojan candidate, what about Indonesia? Kenya?

Reverend Wright had an affair with a married white woman?
Ahh Obama — what a tangled web you’ve weaved!

Brace yourself America,
Not only will Obama be the first Black/Minority President,
He’s going to convert to Islam while in office!!!
Muwahahahahahaha! (sounds of evil laughter)
He will then have a Harem consisting of several lovely white and Asian dolls to cater to his needs. OH, wait a minute, that’s the Mormons…
And wait a minute part 2, the white and Asian doll thing is MY fantasy…
Never mind

“An increasingly angry black guy…” You’ve got to be kidding me, right? Obama is the definition of cool under pressure. Methinks somebody wants to push a scary, divisive racial theme with absolutely nothing to back it up.
And go get ‘em Joe! As he said, “Don’t tell me where your priorities are. Show me your budget, and I’ll tell YOU where your priorities are!”

I’m intrigued by the “failing campaign” comments about Obama. Of the polls since the RNC, one has shown McCain with a large lead, and based on the 10 or so others showing it within 1-2 points — in the middle of McCains’ bounce — it looks like, well, McCain is bouncing post-convention.
When more attention is paid to Palin’s “naked lie” about the bridge to nowhere and earmarks more generally (it’s starting), the race will be back to where it was pre-convention: Obama ahead by a few points.
Failing campaign? Hardly. Unless you’re talking about McCain’s campaign to convince people he’s anything other than a down-the-line conservative.

Parrothead joe “two drink minimum” biden
is the real deal. It’s Miller Time.

This isn’t offensive. Maybe you don’t agree wiht it but the FACT is that the republicans have been cutting funding for science research for years. Thay think calculators are ran by fairies and that the dinosaurs were put here to test your faith. stupid stupid stupid. Keep after em Biden! everything is offensive to a group of people that are scarred anyway.

I never seen a video of Obama in that church saying the US is “carring out Gods plan” THis women is a lunatic speaks in tounges and stuff. I mean isn’t that what satan does?

It appears to me that the McCain camp’s overly reactive response to Biden’s comment suggests Biden struck a nerve here. Independent voters and moderate Republicans don’t want to see another anti-stem cell, creationist yahoo in charge of Federal policy. This aspect of Palin is embarassing to McCain and is therefore aggressively shielded.

GOP needs a WHHHHAAAAAMBULANCE!

Obama tries to run but he cannot seem to find a place to hide:
First, Ayers. Then, Wright. A good day for Obama NOT!
His past acquaintances just seem to rematerialized and justify those who doubts the shallow one’s sincerity.

This country is sick.
THE SYMPTOMS: I have been on the message boards for many articles/blogs over the past few months… and I find it astounding how many times I have seen Obama referred to as a Muslim, a “monkey”, and a terrorist. I’ve seen him described as an “abortionist” and a homosexual. He’s been called “out of touch,” an elitist, and a snob. He’s been attacked for being thin, for eating arugula, for attending Harvard, and for drinking juice instead of beer.
THE FACTS: So-called “Democrats” are flocking to McCain because their first choice (Hillary) didn’t win. McCain and Palin stand for everything HIllary was against.
THE DIAGNOSIS: Nasty case of racism.

I tend to agree with Ali’s diagnosis. There is an unspoken/coded racism going on here. The Palinazi Party has arrived.

Republicans always say they care but never put their money where their mouth’s are. Stem cell research is something the Republicans have stood in the way for years. So what did Biden say that was untrue?

The GOP response should have been why they refute stem cell research. But instead just another attack on the words of Joe Biden. The GOP strategy is to attack but offer NO help to millions who could benefit from new research. Shame on McCain. Just another 72 year old politician with no solutions to the problems created by the Republican leadership of the last 8 years. Get out of the way, geezer.

Biden who?
Mr Irrelevant

What I find interesting is that the media is all over Palin regarding her Christian faith , which amounts to religious bigotry in my opinion. (Apparently, this is the only association the media and the Dems can come up with that they are trying to use to unjustly smear Palin with). While ignoring Obama’s very dubious connections to, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Pfleger, Khalidi and others, including Dr. al-Mansour,. Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour (born Donald Warden) whose 1995 book claimed that the U.S. government was planning the genocide of black Americans. Dr. al-Mansour also has been a harsh critic of Israel and has served as a major advisor to Saudi Royal family members seeking to improve and extend their influence in the United States. And according to the Social Activism Project at the University of California at Berkeley, when he was still Donald Warden, the fellow was a mentor to Black Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale. Investor’s Business Daily last Friday wrote a fascinating editorial about Dr. al-Mansour’s assistance to Barack Obama. It is a short piece but the news it contains is explosive and certainly deserves careful attention. But, of course, the old guard media is interested only in associations that might hurt Republicans.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305508174916939

Oh for G’s sake. It’s a political campaign, not “Meet the Neighbors”. Every hit gets a hit back, every opportunity gets taken advantage of. And now the new paradigm, instead of going after the opponent, claim victim status. Obama’s been doing it all along (Racism! Muslim! Different! Funny Looking!Mom, he’s looking at me!) both in reaction and proactively (“Now, the Rs are going to say/do something…”). So, its McCain’s turn. Please don’t interpret the tactic as anything other than that – it doesn’t give deeper meaning, signify greater things. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

If John McCain locked himself in a cave for 15 years it would not come close to the tragedy and grief endured by Joe Biden. John McCain is hood ornament on George Bush’s truck. If you got a legitmate problem with stem cell research then say it. But everytime you tell us how you are offended, it makes America want to puke. Give it up, geezer.

We can actually smell the fear coming from the Obama camp. They are swinging blindly trying to make an issue out of anything.

Steve from Danville
Is Obama’s personal life the featured story on the KOS today? It must be coming from some source – poping up all over the place. Proof positive that someone does the thinking for Obama’s lemmings.

Didn’t the GOP convention look like a klan meeting? I mean if they would have brought some sheets it would have anyway.

I seriously doubt that anyone nowadays, including Sarah Palin, does not support stem cell research. That was never the issue. The issue was always EMBRYONIC stem cell research, and the debate ended on that quite awhile ago with Bush’s disallowing of further federally-funded embryonic stem cell research being vindicated in the most undeniable terms possible: Thanks to Bush cutting off funding for embryonic stem cell research, scientists went and figured out how to make stem cells out of adult skin cells. So Bush preserved the sanctity of human embryos and unintentionally brought about what may prove to be one of the most significant medical discoveries ever. Moral of story: when you stick with your principles, the unforeseen consequences are positive. When you think you’re so wonderful, think that morality is relative, and “right” is defined by whatever’s polling better, the unforeseen consequences are disastrous.

If it weren’t for the daily dose of GOP “talking points” that come out of the office of Karl Rove each morning, Republican pundits and bloggers wouldn’t know what to say. Try this: wake up one morning and try having an original thought. Try to form an independent opinion. If you can’t do that then get out of the way, you don’t deserve the right to vote.

A fair question – even if they wish to take offense and dodge it. Medical research that could save so many lives, that could improve so many lives now in torment, with such a huge potential – is being prevented, opposed. The GOP may wish to hide behind personalities to avoid debating the real issues, what they will REALLY do with the Presidency – but that is the real issue for this or any other election.

another free bumper sticker:
ATTENTION, SARAH PALIN:
JESUS CHRIST WAS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER
PONTIUS PILATE WAS A GOVERNOR

Here is what I heard I called my buddy who lives in Valdez and he say this Palin is the shadyest of them all. He’s leaving Alaska because they are all corrupt up there. He said the only reason why she got elcted is because she is not a ” Crusty old white dude” he also said she hasn’t really done anything and she is corrupt just not as baltant as the rest of them up there. And this she as just as much experaince as Obama is a crappy republican talking point. Obama has been campaining longer than she has been govenor.

Let’s stop the hand wringing. McCain and Palin are the same GOP puppets as Bush/Cheney. Obama/Biden rocks by comparison. Cat-crazy Hilltard bitters should be over it by now. No-nothing GOP robots can’t listen to reason–forget them. Independents and undecideds should fish or cut-bait: Do you really think McCain is sound in his mind? Do you really think Palin isn’t some flack put up to make McCain “interesting.”

I cannot understand why the main stream media is ignoring Obama’s admission regarding his Muslim Faith. It was on ABC, for pity’s sake, and they have not even mentioned it.

Watch Palin’s governors’ debate — you will see. Biden needs to be very well prepared.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?sa=N&tab=nv&q=palin%20debate#

There is absolutley no way we can withstand another 4 years of Republicans. I would say I am in the middle leaning left. My Main concern is this next president may very well decide the fate of the supreme court for the next generation. We cannot over turn Roe v Wade. We need to have a democratic nominee with aproval from a democratic house and senate. No choice.

Supporting stem cell research didn’t start today, it has always been a top-priority issue for the Democrats.

It was a fair comment. We can’t talk about stem cell research now in this new “transparent” government. A hereditary form of ALS runs in my family, and stem cell research is the key to finding the cure. I appreciate Biden working toward saving lives in my family!

Fair game? Of course it is. It is an ISSUE. If Palin wants to play with the big boys, then by golly, she better grow herself a set and quit whining about everything being personal to her. Its not. This is about my family and the hundreds of thousands of other families who are looking for a cure for Parkinsons. I don’t care about her family situation one iota.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, call me a Republican. If McCain’s such a Maverick, how come he hasn’t brought any change in all the years he’s been in Washington?

Barack Obama is a Muslim and will turn this country over to the terrorists if he gets the chance, don’t let him have that chance.

So is this the plan? Are they attempting to use Sarah Palin as a martyr? Anything said that attacks Republican policy will be spun into an attack on her? The Repubs are pushing the sympathy card a little hard don’t ya think? Give me a break. I say, take the gloves off. These Republicans have been attacking Obama for months on end. They have whole radio stations that are set up to continually bash Obama and the Democrats hour after hour after hour. In Seattle the station is FOX – KVI 570. I’m sure almost every city in the country has a similar station dedicated to spin and lies.

Mary -
I am betting McCain will pick up your new line of victimhood and issue a press release soon. The whole choice of Palin is a statement of right wing christian victim hood.
You don’t get it, the issue not that she is Christian – I believe every President or VP of the US has been Christian. Why or how would the MSM attack being a christian in the US? The issue should be how does her faith effect what she would do in office. Obama has been asked these questions for 18 months and has been very clear on what it would mean to him. Speaking for the past 8 years, we deserve to know where she stands, as Bush has implied his faith played into some of his worst decisions.
Stop playing victim – tell me how her faith would effect her decision making. At first pass, she is not all that comforting for a person who believes in separation of church and state – of which our forefathers believed had to be a tenet of democracy. Your attacks on Obama when you don’t even know where Palin stands is equally frightening, while not unexpected, are extremely transparent for someone who is defending someone who is so ill-suited.

Jim Rod, could you sound more ignorant?!

McCain is a HilBilly. Even the hilljacks in West Virginia understand that much!

This country is being destroyed by the extreme left and extreme right. The moderates need to come together. Palin is a VP candidate, Obama is the Presidential candidate. Both are extreme. As far as I can see McCain is the closest to the center of the debate.

Posted by: bullyforhim | Sep 9, 2008 4:05:01 PM
MSM Ingoring Obama’s admission of Muslim Faith?
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How can the MSM ignore an admission that Obama never made?
In the interview with Stephanopolous, Obama was discussing critics who try to scare the public by bringing up Obama’s [alleged] “Muslim Faith”, although these same critics know full well that Obama is NOT a Muslim.
He did not say my Muslim faith teaches me etc….
He said, critics bring up “my Muslim faith” to scare the American public.
Maybe that’s why they’re called “scare quotes”.;-)
That you can’t recognize the difference, or won’t admit the difference suggests you’re either being willfully disingenous (i.e. LIEING), or weren’t paying attention.
Statements happen in a context, and take their meaning from that context. Obama was talking about “his Muslim faith” as a lie that his critics bring up to scare America.
I think you are trying to do exactly that: lie about Obama’s faith in order to scare America.

Fair game. Fair question. Fair game. What do you value? How much do you value it? What do you value more? Go Joe! Parents of kids with spinabiffoda and paralysis want to know. Nobody owns this issue and it is pure fair game. If you care about something, then do something about it. otherwize you’re just lip service.

GOP strategy: They got nothing. So just attack and try to divert the discussion into a ditch… turn the election into a mud wrestle. Stretch the truth or make it up altogether. Rely on a lazy electorate who cannot form an independent opinion unless its spoon fed by Karl Rove. Don’t let it happen this time… think for yourself this time. We cannot afford another 4 years or 4 months of failed leadership.

The McCain campaign said Biden’s comments were disturbing, offensive, etc. What is offensive is to not support scientific breakthroughs like stem cell research.

And palin was in a church for 22 years in a that calls Jews an obomination to Jesus. That calls for the murder of muslims and thinks that scientific evidence is Satan testing your faith. She is a folower of witch craft!

And Palins husband is the member of a sepratist party in Alaska that wants to break off from the United States. Hmmmm do you want to keep having this disscussion?

here’s something I don’t get — the religious right are so obsessed with embryos and fetuses, but how come you never hear about them campaigning for better conditions for the actual CHILDREN in our country and abroad?
I’d be more sympathetic toward their cause if they seemed like they really cared about CHILDREN.

A black man and a Muslim saved my life because a republican lied about Iraq and sent me to war. I know Obama is a Christian, but the only people who scare me are the republicans for their lies.

typical response from the McCain campaign. “this is disturbing and desperate” etc. etc., wah wah wah. How about responding about the actual issues, rather than just creating a smokescreen?

LarryMan
You are a scary person because you have no concept of the truth.

dl,
That is the illusion. McCain and Palin do not want to throw the bums (Republicans) out. Just Democrats. You can bet that they will campaign for all the Bush-enablers in the Republican part. Like Elizabeth Dole….classic Washington insider and Bush lackey…McCain and Palin will change nothing…Same old crap, same old policy…

About time – it has been the Republican Karl Rovian style of politics since 2000 to just throw out slam, after slam, after slam including attacks Bush made on McCain, oh and let’s not forget the swiftie classics and the outright slander of multiple Purple Heart and amputee veteran Max Clellan and then Palin’s speech at the GOP convention complete with ridicule and empty of specifics. This woman, this woman repeat THIS WOMAN said she would be an advocate in the White House for children with special needs – SHE (No one else) made the decision to let her child be passed from person to person like a raggedy Ann doll rather than being brought out at the end of her speech and respectfully be placed in the arms its mother. When Biden calls the Republicans to task for stem cell research – you bet your bottom dollar its within limits. The Republicans have vilified the poor, the elderly (you know all those social welfare burdens), those who don’t meet the test of “patriotic enough” those who don’t believe it was God’s will to invade a soverign nation in a war of choice – but they refuse to be held accountable for their position on stem cell research – good, go Biden go. And Hilliary come out there too and put this woman in her place – you have been working for children’s health care, research and a host of programs this woman hasn’t even been briefed on yet. Why is the focus on Ms. Palin? It’s hard to ignore crap when it’s in the middle of your living room.

I was curious about what people would have to say about Biden’s recent comment regarding stem cell research. It does seem to be a pointed remark, directed at Palin, but last I checked, John McCain is at the top of the ticket. And John McCain supports stem cell research. So why did Biden find it necessary to mention? It seems like both Biden and Obama are going after Palin full-force, but they are forgetting that, in the end, we are voting for President, not Vice President.

bullyforhim:
He “admitted” nothing. He misspoke. And you know it.
Posted by: beth
I absolutely do NOT know he misspoke. He claims he misspoke when he said it was above his pay grade to decide when life begins. He did not even realize he had referred to his Muslim faith until George corrected him. It is called a Freudian slip — an unconcscious truth slipping past mental defenses.
And I never claimed he admitted anything. Read my post.

Some of you are idiots. Some of you are morons. Some of you are loudmouths. The rest of you are cool.

I would never donate a single stem cell or a ‘bro to any research organization even if it meant curing Bristol Palin’s baby of Downs syndrome. Messing with stem cells or ‘bros is not what Jesus wants. How do I know? The bible tells me so.

Jim Rod,
You want to talk about adultery? McCain cheated on his crippled wife and eventually left her for a young beer heiress. And last time I checked, he was the one running for president– not Revered Wright.
Also, please provide ONE credible source which reports of Obama mocking Palin or McCain’s religion. Liar.

JOE its childish when its not in your favor and the come back to your comment is stronger than the one you make. Obama is a scary radical terrorist sympathizer and practiced in his church the hatered of America. His own wife made that comment on national TV. That now she loves America because her husband is runnng for president? What will she and they be like when its over and if they most likly lose?? If I do not vote for him I will be labled a raceist. Well guess what Joe?? Better that than voting in the sympathizer preached by a preacher who damns all of us.

The stem cell issue is just one more way that the Republicans want to put us back into the dark ages. They have dragged their feet for years and years over global warming, while the other developed countries have moved ahead with new technologies. They are still arguing about teaching creationism in schools while other countries march ahead of us in the sciences. AND SO ON.
No wonder we are losing our edge in this country. Enough of the old, outdated ways of thinking. I’m voting for Obama.

And you thought the supper collider was going to distroy Earth. The real threat Palin/McCain

McCain spokesman Ben Porritt. “Playing politics with this issue is disturbing and indicative of a desperate campaign.” ….. WRONG Mr. Porritt, 100% – it is indicative of people who since the year 2000 have been fed Karl Rove one-liners, move the goal post, don’t attack us because we’re military, don’t attack us because we have family values and don’t attack us because we’re God fearing and love our country and if you do then you must be anti-military and do’t love our cuontry and you must not have family values and you don’t fear God. You put people in this country in that position long enough and you’ve find out that fighting for a better future is pretty indicative of people who are fed up with your crap.

Really too funny. All these so called *new* republicans that have left the democrat party in disgust over the Obama/Biden ticket. What a crock, and an insult to those of us with intelligence to KNOW your lying out your arses. Time for you new GOP paid trolls to check in and get your Bobble Heads for McCain/Palin gifts.
http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

Posted by: Joe | Sep 9, 2008 4:10:43 PM
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Hey Joe, judging from your remarks you don’t want to see McCain/Palin elected.
I, for one, certainly do not. But ridiculing Gov. Palin’s faith reduces the Dem criticism of Palin to the kind of personal insult & invective that is the stock & trade of the Republican campaign machine.
We Dems don’t do it well – our heart isn’t in it.:-)
Personally, I think her faith is irrelevant. What she believes about God is her own business, and we should respect that – with one proviso….
Her faith & her beliefs become relevant to the extent she wants to translate them into law & public policy.
She hasn’t shown any inclination to impose her beliefs about “creationism” onto the public school system in Alaska.
Despite rumors to the contrary, she never banned any books from the library in Wasilla.
While she may have stated in her church “please pray that God help soldiers in Iraq do his will”, that’s not at all the same as saying that, whatever soldiers do, they are NECESSARILY doing God’s will. (Quite a sophisticated theological position, if you stop to think about it).
The only area she seems to want to impose her religious beliefs on the rest of the country is in the area of reproductive rights. That’s IT.
Maybe that’s all we should be focusing on. We can leave the mob shouting, character lynching, lies, distortions, invective to Republicans. They are much better at it because they are so much more shameless…
…and they really have nothing else to offer this country. :-)

Here is the deal. The majority of Pro-Life people support stem cell research. Its where they get the stem cells that we have an issue. When the stem cells come from an aborted fetus we have issues. That baby deserved a chance at life and now it does not get one. Adult stem cells and umbellical stem cells work just fine for research purposes. Also, people are very divided on using embryonic stem cells. (those that will be destroyed in stead of being implanted into a womans uterus) I feel that dr’s should only take minimum eggs out and not fertilize them to begin with unless they will for sure be implanted. I dont agree with people just destroying them whether for research or not. Biden is a complete idiot when it comes to this apparently. He needs to understand all sides of the spectrum before choosing to insult those of us who are against a certian type of stem cell research. My grandfather died of Parkinson’s, my grandmother died from cancer, using stem cell research one day both of those may have a cure. But please dont use the stem cells of an aborted fetus, it only adds fuel to already huge, out of control fire.

See where both campaigns officially stand on stem cell research and other science, health and research issues, including funding for our research insitutions at http://www.yourcandidatesyourhealth.org.

Biden knew darn well to whom he was refering to……what a heartless b@st@rd…

There is something very odd about Joe Biden.

When Obama picked Biden I wondered how long it would take for him to start offending the majority of listeners. That is his trademark. Time to get to the issues, not taking low blows. If families are to be left out of it anything related like this comment about stem cells should not be used for a low blow. Obama said he would not tolerate it – is he going to fire Biden?
For the one that said to take God out of government, God cannot be taken out of anything. He is in everything. That said, politics is not about religion. We need to know where the candidates stand on the issues. That does involve abortion, stem cell research and that does bring out the moral views of the candidates.

Hey George McCain . . . you put up wonder woman who believes pro life includes the prohibition of a woman to have an abortion even in the case of rape and incest and you call Democrats who call her to task for her opinion on stem cell research out of line. Your age is showing George.

Yea, Bidden should bring up the slick Willy scandel,when he looked the whole country in the face and lied.Larry, you are right, we were doing alright until Nancy and her cronies took control.Been a up battle ever since.Come on people of California,vote her out.

McCain does support stem cell research. It is another example of a time where he didn’t agree with George Bush. McCain and Palin don’t agree about everything. Just like Biden voted for the Iraq War but Obama thinks that people who supported the war don’t have the judgment to be president — or at least that’s what he said about Hillary.

Way to go, Biden!! Now you and Barack need to keep the pressure on Palin & McCain. If those two win, women all over America won’t any rights left. We might as well be living in another country as America as we know it will be gone, especially for women!

“that was offensive” is code words f or “damn you got us good!” …and I’m with the person who said Biden has suffered heads and tails above what both McSame nad his bimbo have. …. HOw wouldyou like to have a child with a spinal defect and know there COULD have been something to save yourchild, but it was against some republicans religion. And while your child may die, that’s a chance they are willing to take!

The Democrats promised us 2 years ago they would make this country better when they took over Congress….we see how far that got us. No way we can let Obama and his cronies take over.

If John McCain had one ounce of courage and one ounce of decency he would call a press conference to denounce the right wing extremists who hijacked the Republican Party back in the 1990′s. That won’t happen because we saw them sitting in the bleachers at St. Paul.

Reuters
During her first speech after being named as McCain’s surprise pick as a running mate, Palin said she had told Congress “‘thanks but no thanks’ on that bridge to nowhere.”
In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called “Bridge to Nowhere,” political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska’s Congressional delegation during her run for governor.
The bridge, a span from the city to Gravina Island, home to only a few dozen people, secured a $223 million earmark in 2005. The pricey designation raised a furor and critics, including McCain, used the bridge as an example of wasteful federal spending on politicians’ pet projects.
When she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she was insulted by the term “bridge to nowhere,” according to Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, and Mike Elerding, a Republican who was Palin’s campaign coordinator in the southeast Alaska city.
“People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I’m for this’ … and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting,” Weinstein said.
Palin’s spokeswoman in Alaska was not immediately available to comment.

I have questions…why does pro-choice mean “must have an abortion” to fit into that category? …why do “pro-choice” advocates rail against war but not against the death of a baby? … why does stem cell research have to be embryos when adult stem cells work better? … why is it considered racist if you don’t vote for a candidate that is black and democrat, but it is not racist to call a conservative judge “too white” just because he is black and conservative? … why has it been alright for 8 years to call a sitting President a monkey, Bush/Hitler, a criminal and every other derogatory name imaginable, but it is not alright to say someone with big ears looks like a monkey and acts unAmerican because he has deep ties with known criminals and antiAmerican preachers and terrorists(American terrorist Ayers)? … and why is it than when Barack Obama says people are being racists it is okay but if McCain says the rabid press is trying to sink Palin then he is a victim? …and finally…why don’t some of you actually study what is going on and react accordingly instead of spewing stupid remarks with the maturity of a 9 year old (sorry 9 year olds…I didn’t mean to insult you in the comparison)?

Ms. Palin – Joe’s right. If you want to be an advocate for children with special needs – and that’s what you said you were – then how come you’re against stem cell research. That’s okay, we understand and we understand that person opinion regarding life, alternative life-style, abortion, pregnancy before marriage and a whole litany of issues from politicans into the pulpit are hot topics – but when you use your child, your daughter and your life experience as mantra for doing a Karl Rove speech you have then entered into public opinion and brutal politics – remember, you’re not a whinner. So either muzzel George McCain and handle it yourself or get yourself ready and buy some kleenex. Women want and deserve equality and when you step into the game of politics – equality can’t be limited to “dear me, I think I have the vapors…”

Doug – the problem isn’t the talk radio itself, it’s the moron “ditto heads” like you that blindly accept anything they say and call it fact.

I’m glad Joe Biden brought up the issue of stem cell research. I was angered by Bush’s decision to put personal religious beliefs ahead of research which could save or improve the quality of life for Americans who struggle with serious medical conditions. Joe Biden’s comments (at least as quoted in this article) seem entirely reasonable. What is the McCain/Palin campaign complaining about?

Maybe Stem Cell research could help John McCain with his dementia problem, as for his personality problem, there is no hope for that.

God is in control of Stem Cells not the democrats. Lets get this lady elected and she can put a STOP to all this sinful behaviour in this country. This is GODS country, lets get some good moral Christians running it to bring order back.

Denise wrote”The Democrats promised us 2 years ago they would make this country better when they took over Congress….we see how far that got us. No way we can let Obama and his cronies take over”
Oh we will get’er done after Nov 4th Hon. We will have more Dems in the house and senate and will be able to pass laws to help the middle class without chinless Mitch McConnell and his wonderless Repukes filibustering.

Posted by: LIFE | Sep 9, 2008 4:33:23 PM
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LIFE: A “fetus” is not a “baby”, that’s why we call it a “fetus”, a “embryo” is even less a “baby”, that’s why we call it an “embryo”
Calling a fetus or embryo a “baby” doesn’t make it so.
An “embryo” may be “life”, but then so is a “skin cell”.
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My point is, you can’t arbitrarily “re-define” words just to suit your argument.

6 months ago John McCain was nothing more than a bug stuck to the windshield of the Republican Party. Now that he’s fully embraced the right wing, he is the mascot for the George Bush School of Politics. Voters: pull the plug on Bush once and for all. Trounce the geezer in November.

Palin brought it up in her acceptance speech…she shouldn’t have brought it up if they don’t want to talk about it.
Republicans are always crying about something.

Absolutely fair game. When are the cons/pubs going to learn they can’t have it both ways?

Larryman
sorry i didn’t get to comment earlier
meds are for people who put religion in front of facts
Mccain’s call out the press call them liberals and unpatritotic and sexist…while you hide your witness in a back room teaching her everything she should have known before she was picked…
calling out Change is coming…while you don’t offer a single change or answer to the hole we are in…
ain’t change dude
So those meds you tell me to take …you should stop taking them…that’s why you believed the same bologne when they fed it to you about weapons of mass destruction, global warming, Libby, energy meetings, Iraq causing 9/11, judicial appointements, katrina …
etc etc….
same team same tactics
go off your meds dude it’s the same kool aid that got us here…
foll us once shame on you
fool you for the 438th time…
then you are a moron.

I gotta tell you I liked McCain until he went running to an untested housemom to rescue his campaign. He was doing just fine before then. I’m not voting for that idiot Obama, but I’m not voting for McCain, hiding under the coattails of an unqualified woman who should be at home helping rais her 5 children. I guess I’m voting for Bob Barr or not at all.

My goodness, she is little miss victim, isn’t she? She is no Hillary!

and you have to love that fake dl
making up a bunch of bologne arguing under my name for Mccain
that sums it up …Mccain supporter needs to resort to hiding who they are…

Another anti-science Republican candidate….*yawn*
So, what’s new?

Down’s syndome is trisomy 21. Every cell in the body, including the stem cells, have three chromosome 21. Treating with stem cells from the patient’s cord blood, etc would be treating with trisomy 21 stem cells – not helpful.
Here is McCain’s position on stem cell research:
Q: Would you expand federal funding of embryonic stem cell research?
McCain A: I believe that we need to fund this. This is a tough issue for those of us in the pro-life community. I would remind you that these stem cells are either going to be discarded or perpetually frozen. We need to do what we can to relieve human suffering. It’s a tough issue. I support federal funding.
Source: 2007 GOP primary debate, at Reagan library, hosted by MSNBC May 3, 2007

Biden is right to call her on it. Palin has a child with Down’s. That dosen’t have anything to do with Biden’s remark. Palin said in her speech she would do everything she could to help families with children who have dissabilities. Well, help them how? Saying your going to help without an explanation, is nothing but empty rhetoric.

McCain the Weathervane
and
Palin Pants on Fire
have no real answer to any questions

Another anti-science Republican candidate….*yawn*
So, what’s new?

Another anti-science Republican candidate….*yawn*
So, what’s new?

I’m an Alaskan that is already fed up with Palin as governor. She’s ready for Washington because she flips and flops like no one I”ve ever seen. Oh, and by the way – this “fiscal reformer” who wants to cut out “excess government spending” billed the taxpayers of Alaska for 312 nights per diem for evenings she spent in her own home. Let’s see, she’s only been governor for 20 months, take out weekends and you pretty much have the majority of her term…312. She’s spent nearly $44,000 of the taxpayers money flying her husband and kids around. Seems Sarah wants everyone to be fiscally responsible for HER. She’s a joke.

The evangelical right is blood thirsty. They never see a war that they don’t like. They will vote for McCain who is an admitted serial adulterer. I haven’t heard them condemn the pregnancy of unmarried, 17 year old Bristol Palin.
How they distort the Christian message! Jesus was a peace maker and cautioned repeatedly about the sins of fornication and adultery.
And the “faith”based initiative–giving our taxes to preachers–isn’t that unconstitutional?

McCain panders to the far right and will say and do anything to get a vote. Enough Republican lies and rhetoric.. Change is coming and it’s OBAMA NOT McSame and his side kick.

Global warming deniers.
Against embryonic stem cell research.
Fiscally disastrous.
These aren’t conservatives.
Why are we heading for the next Stone Age?
Use your brains people. Throw these bums out.

I wonder if mccain couldn’t finish his term if palin would see it as a sign from God that she needs to bring his teachings to the masses?

Are people really too stupid to know the difference between supporting womens right to choose and “being for abortion”?????
Obviously nobody wants to kill an unborn child, but you can’t make it illegal due to circumstances such as RAPE, or the life of the mother.

OK, McCain Palin supporters — especially the HRC Dead-Enders — Answer me this: When Roe v. Wade is struck down by the new Supreme Court President McCain puts into place (3 new Justices will be appointed in the next 4 years — replacing liberals or moderates) and certain states outlaw abortion — what should the punishments be?
What should the punishment be when a desperate 14 year old in Alabama tries to bet rid of the baby her step-father impregnated her with?
What punishment should a 25 year old woman in Louisiana, who is already the mother of 3 children under the age of 4 get when she tries to get an abortion because a condom broke and she couldn’t afford a better form of contraception — after McCain vetoed a bill requiring insurance companies to pay for birth control pills even though he supported making them pay for Viagra?
What punishment should a doctor in South Carolina get for performing an abortion during the 1st Trimester for a life-long patient who learns she is giving birth to a baby that will die an agonizing death over several months after being born?
You all DON’T think, do you? You look at your slogans and partisan knee-jerk reactions and you have your racist remarks and your anger over perceived slights and forget what is REALLY important.

Thanks to Bush, America is a 3rd world joke with regard to stem cell research, just like we’ve fallen behind in so many other areas. Gramps McSame will continue Bush’s policies. Instead of getting our prescription drugs from Canada, Americans — the few who can afford it — will be travelling to Europe or China for medical care.

and Larryman
it was the republican congress and McCain’s guru specifically that wrote his economic platform (literally) Gramm…who championed the enron loophole, deregulation in the banking and mortgage sectors (literally championed it through congress), and fought for the oil lobby.
Now he has set the tweaks to mcCain’s photocopy of Bush policies…so the country got pushed down this hill by the republican congress and the dem congress may have not been great at putting the breaks on but it’s kind of hard when the driver is still the guy steering…
now Mccain scream change is coming…and then silence because he realizes he doesn’t have any changed plans.
stupid is as stupid does… fool us once shame on them
fool us twice shame on us
fool you again…then you are a moron

It raises the legitimate question as to why the GOP and Palin are against Stem Cell research and science in general… as a species we must advance scientifically or perish on an overheated planet.
This is no time to elect Palin, a member of the “flat Earth Society” with her Creationism nonsense

Hi Alyssa, lets assume you are an Alaskan like you claim. Then you are in the minority, 20% of voters, who do not approve of Sarah Palin. Take your sour grapes elsewhere. If she used $44k in airline use (I have not confirmed this), she made the state $2.1 MILLION by selling the governor’s jet. So, she made the state $2,056,000.00 by giving up this elite luxery.

If McCain overturns Roe v Wade, women will still get abortions– except they will be illegal back-alley butcher abortions. And if any of the conservative Christians think a pregnant woman is “getting what she deserves” by getting an UNSAFE illegal abortion, then they are not true Christians. They are disgusting, sadistic psychopaths.

Here we go again. Liberal half truths as usual. The issue is not stem cells… it is embryonic vs adult. McCain/Palin are against embryonic from murdered children and not adult stem cells or umbilical cord stem cells from dontated cords.
Embryonic stem cells have never been show to produce any results whereas adult stem cells have.

Louise, no they don’t think. Until it effects them. These are the same people that gun down clinic employees while screaming “Pro-Life”. Idiots.

Bush spent the last 8 years ignoring scientific reports and altering them for political gain… why go down this suicidal path with another term of science bashing.

@ Claire,
Be careful. What you said about eggs, zygotes, etc was well reasoned and indicates that you have an education and knowledge. With intelligence and education suddenly being anathema, you wouldn’t want anyone calling you an “elitist,” now, would you?”

Senator Biden’s words are only “offensive” and “disturbing” if you disagree with his basic argument in favor of stem cell research. If you agree, he’s simply speaking the truth. This is an election year, this is a bitterly contested presidential contest, and Senator Biden’s comments point out a key philosophical difference between the two parties. I would hope they would have been spoken even if none of the candidates had a special needs child. They certainly shouldn’t be withheld because one of them does.

Republicans have the worst ticket possible that women is no Hillary and the people here saying they are Hillary supporter voting for McSame, I think you are lying. You are nothing more than Republicans that wanted to run against Hillary you are not fooling anyone.
Because true Hillary supporters would never, and I mean never vote for a Republican!!
We know what that would mean to women rights, McCain doesn’t support Women rights he has voted against them every chance he gets.
Republicans have shown just how big of hypocrites they are with Palins pregnant daughter because we all know if she was Obama’s Daughter it would be a huge Deal to Republicans, just like if Michelle Obama has stolen drugs from a charity like Cindy McSame has!!
Republicans = Huge Hypocrites

have ABC’s Charlie ask Palin about the “second coming” and the end of the world as well as an affair or two! show stoppers !

ali,
I read something today written by a catholic woman, who’s convinced all of this Roe v. Wade talk is a lot of election year nonsense – for both parties. The right has had 12 years of legislative control – six with a Republican president – and the issue never came up. It’s a political carrot that they dangle . . . like George W. Bush dangling the “Osama bin Laden” carrot to get us into two wars.

McCain isn’t going to to anything to overturn Roe v. Wade with a majority of democrats in the house and senate, even if he wanted to which I don’t think he does. No president is going to take that on with all the other issues there are and cause his favorability rating to plummet.

Harry Reid, the senate democratic majority leader, is pro-life.

Not one of the people that are supposed to represent us in congress and those in the Senate can be help blameless for the woes of our Nation. Democrats have been less than productive since they took control of the House. I am sorry, but you can’t blame that on the President. He can veto things and has, but Congress has to come up with the good ideas and decide how to pay for all the schemes they dream up. Wake up folks, both parties are guilty of not living up to their oaths of office.

Patrick,
If we believe in Creationism we cannot believe in Archeology – sorry but Archeology has proved many of the accounts in the Bible to be true. You may want to read Case for Christ it lists several of these.

The only way the world is going to end as was prophesized by Palins preacher is if McCain is elected, dies and Palins got her
second coming finger on the red button.

Biden said: “We’ve heard not a dime’s worth of difference between the McCain-Palin ticket and the Bush Administration on medical breakthroughs that millions of parents and doctors believe could save lives and transform the quality of life for countless Americans.”
What is it Biden is asking for? McCain favors stem cell research. In 2004 McCain was one of 58 senators who wrote a letter asking Bush to lift his restrictions on funding for embryonic stem cell research. He is clearly saying the “McCain-Palin ticket” here. McCain’s positions are well-defined.

Palin is enough to make me want to give up on politics forever….

“”HELLO? Biden, anybody home?
McCain SUPPORTS stem cell research!”"
Not really. Old, adult cell lines don’t hold the true promise embryonic stem cell lines do. But never you mind…the Europeans and Chinese will find the cures and we Americans can go beg them for help.

Denise: Last week, I watched Nut Cases for Christ….the RNC.

As A PUMA, this is delicious.
We tried to warn the DNC and they flipped us off.
We tried to warn Obama and he flipped us off.
Now, Democrats have the very least experienced candidate of ALL candidates — at the TOP of their ticket; they have a guy whose been in Congress LONGER than McCain who can’t keep his foot out of his own mouth as their “agent of change” VP; they hand-picked Nancy Pelosi as their image of a competent female leader — and did nothing else for two years; while McMaverick shook up the entire world and (to loud guffaws from DailyKos and Keith Doberman) hand-picked Pistol Packin’ Palin who keeps puttin’ a foot in Barack Obama’s mouth… and then we get to vote for a true American hero who is a true reformer with results.
What was the DNC thinking?
Oh, as usual, they weren’t.
Good riddance.
Love, PUMA

Biden is right on. Not everyone makes $125,000 a year as governor of Alaska. Not everyone can afford the additional expenses that come with a special needs child. Stem cell research can help eliminate tragedies by ensuring babies are born healthy. Boo on McCain – tell the truth!

So If they pick on her religious choices thats outta bounds, Offensive disturbing. Mention her political views thats sexist and uncalled for , Mention her family and thats wrong and in bad taste . mention AIP and the lies she told about the bridge to nowhere and your bad for doing so a liberal attack dogs . So you can’t judge her on anything personal , political, religiously,Family choices , NOTHING even if its true or calling her on a lie, BUT let you say anything you’d like about Obama make fun of Comm.Organizers, and his family bring up rev wright 10 million times but nothing on her church or Mccains lack of until he ran for president let them say their Mavericks when she fought as hard or harder then anyone for earmarks 27 million for a town of 8,000 and he is such a maverick he has voted with the president only 90% of the time now thats a maverick but mention any of those things and your being low , heavy handed, attack dogs etc. . but we can say when even members of the GOP that were on the trip say it wasn’t so and wrong and McCain knew it to say Obama blew off troops because he could not have a photo Op but they ran that ad anyway but the left is wrong for telling and pointing out the truth I guess what your saying is you can do it as long as you LIE but don’t you dare tell the truth we don’t want to hear it !

I don’t understand why everyone is saying that the country only recently went to crap. Just because there is a Democratic majority in the House doesn’t mean that they are the cause of everything bad. They are the ones that brought the truth out that the Bush Admin has been ruining this country for eight years.

The Repugs accuse someone of sinking to a new low?……….I’m back, I just fell off my chair. When Palin was mayor rape victims had to pay for investigation kits to save the taxpayers money. Now that’s low.

Patrick,
She never banned any books. Get your facts straight.

Do you suppose that Howard Dean and all his wise dem cohorts are still shell shocked? CNN and MSNBC moved into damage control immediately after Palin’s speech and have been working 24/7 for Obama ever since. Obama is trying to remain calm but it is obviously having an affect on him and his campaign staff. They all have the deer in the headlights look about them. Seems like there were many democrats that just “couldn’t get over it” like the presumptive Obama thought. McCain and Palin Rock 2008!

Why does the ABC News headline emphasize that the Republicans object to what Biden says? Is that bigger news than what he said? It sounds as if ABC has picked a side. No wonder Sarah Pain is giving her first interview to Charlie.

I don’t care if life begins at conception– I’d STILL be pro-choice.
Anyone who thinks a pro-choice woman is going to use abortion as a means of contraception needs to get their head checked.

Right, she never banned any books. She called the librarian and asked if she could do it, and when the librarian said “no,” Pain fired the librarian. Public outcry caused her to be rehired.
Charlie should ask Sarah if she knows about the Bill of Rights, particularly the First Amendment.

There is no link between stem cell research and most birth defects, especially Downs Syndrome. With recent medical advances that have been made, stem cell research is not the issue it once was – other better methods are being discovered. This is a new low for Biden.

If Biden hits on stem cell research, he will cause christian religious groups to unite more and more against Obama and give their huge donatins and support for McCain/Palin!
I don’t think that is a very smart strategy!

The problem with embryonic stem cells is that they just don’t work, period. If you read up on them they are long on promise and short on delivery. Adult cultivated stem cells have an amazing track record that is growing by leaps and bounds every day. The problem I have is why do we continue to waste money on the potential and not spend it on the proven track record?
Not only have I read this, my daughter’s friends mom recently went through a battle with brain cancer where they used stem cell therapy that literally saved her life. Where did they get these cell? They came from her and we didn’t have to destroy a life.

I ask Bob Barr to drop out off this race immediately for the good will of God!
This libeterian who was going to vote for Barr , is for STRONG SUPPORTER OF SARAH PALIN!

Pat,
I don’t think the map will change over Christians much over the coming weeks. The battleground is for independents.

“Biden’s church has a history of pedophiles abusing young boys.”
More than a few of the peope in Congress have the same problem, Democrat AND Republicans.

Responder NO when you call and ask 3 times howwould you ban books and if you could if you wanted to .It is obvious to me if the librarian answered back positive to banning books the next step is OK here’s my banned books list and since she did not get the answer “Well what books do you want banned and I’ll do it Sarah Palin took the next step which was fire the librarian and try to find one that will say when asked can we ban books “well yes we can what ones did you want banned” but since the public outcry for this vengeful move by Palin luckly the librarian got her job back . so she want just asking a question if that was the case no one would have been FIRED !!!!!! moron

We don’t need someone a heart-beat away from the presidency who is another right-wing radical. McCain will govern in the middle…but Pallin? That would be Bush 2.0…shoving religion down our throats…governing on the Bible and not logic/intelligence/science…and setting back social progress and scientific research another 4-8 years.
I am not playing down religion (I am religious)…but come on people! Can we make sure we pick a president without the governing philosophy of “blind ignorance” again?!

MAVERICK??? NOPE. Insular Opportunist not to be trusted. CHECK IT THE REAL MCCAIN in his own words: http://therealmccain.com/squad/?utm_source=rgemail:

regarding comments by shelleyt – so you think McCain can actually LEAD? You don’t think he will continue all the worst aspects of the Bush administration? You really think he will be that altruistic if he wins? That’s a BIG risk to submit the world and the US to….and if he kicks off before 4 yrs you REALLY think Palin has the depth to lead?……..give me a break!……have no fear, the Dems can do it. Vote Obama-Biden.

Embryonic stem cell research is wrong. That’s the question I had with McCain when he said at Saddleback that be believes that life begins at conception. Anyway. Embryonic stem cells aren’t even proven to have benefit. Why kill babies because you think it might help? Adult stem cells adult stem cells adult stem cells.

“”After the call to the librarian, nothing else happened. She did not “try to have them banned”. She asked a question and got a response. If she wanted to have them banned then she would have attempted to ban them.”"
Mayor Palin asked the librarian three times how she felt about having ‘questionable books’ pulled off the shelves. Then Palin DID try to fire the librarian for not supporting her in the election. Only because the town folk had an uproar did little Missy Sarah back down.
If she had real power, Palin would ban books.

What exactly CAN we ask the VP nominee without offending her?

CHRISTIAN FOR PALIN and all other Neo-Cons asking for Jewish support-
A) The Dems are Pro-Israel…
B) Don’t give us that crap…neo-cons just believe in that garbage about the Jewish people needing to be in Israel for the Messiah to return.
I’m Jewish, and I’ll vote with my brain and not a bunch of garbage. OBAMA-BIDEN!

Libeterian for Palin: I agree, Bob Barr should quit and give his support to Obama/Biden!

Responder,
Get your facts straight. Try checking the Anchorage daily news. THE LIBRARIAN WAS FIRED.
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html
Typical GOP: if you don’t have the facts, keep repeating the BS and pray that no one calls you on it.
Where I come from, we call it LYING. You and Sarah Palin have that in common – that and counting on low-information voters to believe your every word.

Andrew,
You ask why kill babies.
They are frozen cells in a can that will be thrown in the trash if they are not used. So what is all this talk about killing babies. They are frozen, they will never be humans.
No one is killing babies.

Biden was right on the money. It’s time they start calling Palin on all of her supposedly strong stances – she talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk. Obama-Biden is the only sane choice in this election.

We loathe you Sarah Palin!
We do loathe you!I never thought that I’d vote against McCain but with Failin he deserves all my ridicule and ill-will; not only mine but every true human’s!
Obama/Biden 2008!

It seems to me that our country’s media banned the Danish cartoons of Mohammed. Our liberal media banned any bad news about Obama. Our liberal media protects democrat politicians. Should we go on with the censorship of the MSM?

Listen if we can’t experiment with stem cells then we shouldn’t experiment with any cells at all. What I mean is for all those people out there that can’t get pregnant on their own and need a little help from the doctor “aka baby maker”, well sorry folks, it is going to have to be outlawed. I mean think of all the eggs that are just killed off and discarded in the process of just trying to get one fertilized. Not to mention the use of fertility drugs. If God meant for all women to have children, they could have them and if God meant for all men…well you get the idea.
Seriously, I’m so sick of the arguments about abortions, conception, stem cell research, etc., and it is all about the fact that everyone thinks they know God better than everyone else. Next we will be hearing that Palin’s daughter is pregnant not because she had a moment of hot kinky sex but she is actually carrying the second coming of Christ. Shall we build an alter or perhaps a golden calf would be more appropriate for the occasion.

aviva you’re a fraud.

Imagine a Supreme Court with more rightwing nut picks, pick by McSame / Falin they’ll be in your bedroom , your schools will be all Christian schools or they might as well be everything you watch , read listen too, I mean talk about banned books this country will not be the same in 20 yrs if they get to appoint any of the next 2-3 judges to the high court hell you could have this exchange we’re having now would be BANNED just look at what their saying about Bidens comments imagine V for Vendetta right here thats what will happen Art banned music by only approved artist I am fearful for what would become of this country state religion state everything no protest no speaking out and once your, our freedoms are GONE they ain’t coming back !!!!!!

Let’s kill all the unwanted embryos ASAP. We could have huge abortion parties that could be like Botox parties so women could get rid of their unwanted pregnancies in a supportive environment and move on with their lives.

No, liberal weenies, you are NOT ALLOWED to even discuss, much less disagree with, the McCain/Palin position on stem cell research. You are CERTAINLY NOT ALLOWED to point out that their position would deny the benefits of such research to millions of families with disabled children like the Palins.
BTW, just as McPalin owns that issue based on the Palins’ having a disabled child, don’t forget to shut your pieholes about any issue even remotely connected with patriotism or national security. Just in case you weenies didn’t get the memo, John McCain was a
>>>>POW!<<<<
and therefore owns those issues too.
Now shut up, run along home, and stay scared, so we can jam it to you for four…eight…twelve more years.

For those of you who think McCain will win and Hillary will take over in four years – by that time it’ll be too late. The Supreme Court will be so conservative that Hillary’s hands will be tied and won’t be able to make any changes in the direction the original Hillary voters were hoping for in 2008, and many more of our kids will have been killed in the wars McCain gets involved in. Sorry. Flawed thinking. It’ll just be too d..n late.

Yes HAWK, I am an Alaskan – my zip is 99705. Sarah Palin did a good thing by getting rid of the jet, it was rarely used. As for being in the minority, I’d love to see a survey taken somewhere other than the north slope, where Sarah is hugely popular due to her coziness with big oil. Since taking office, when she was mayor of Wasilla she left that tiny town 22 million in debt. Since taking office she has reversed practically every campaign promise and she is currently under investigation for abuse of power. That’s a busy 20 months. Like many Alaskans I feel that Trooper Wooten should have been fired, however Sarah felt she was above the law and when the public safety commissioner wanted to follow procedure and make Wooten’s firing airtight, she axed Monegan. Bad move, Caribou Barbie. The media makes a big deal over the fact that Sarah fishes,eats moose, rides a snow machine,etc – big deal, we all do up here. I don’t need a VP that eats moose, I need a VP that knows what the hell is going on – and that’s not Palin. Feel free to check out the article about her sticking the taxpayers with unwarranted per diem bills – it was on the front page of the Anchorage Daily News today. adn.com

I still cannot fathem why anyone would be against stem cell research. What is wrong with using stem cells from the left over placenta or the cut off ambilical cord after birth. The left over parts are thrown away after the baby is born. God gave us the brains to use to figure things out. It doesn’t make sense to not use our brains to save lifes…

Can’t believe this is even close? How stupid is half of America anyway?
Republicans are in a class of stupid all of their own.
My god, wave a flag and say God Bless America fifteen million times, and the last 14 years of Republican Congressional control (before the Dems took Congress) and the last 8 eight years of Executive control are forgotten???
I’m an independent conservative too!

Linda TX – The only people who truly believe a McCain administration would extend the Bush administration are the people who suffer from selective hearing. McCain has publicly chastised the Bush administration and admonished the Republican Party saying it’s time to get back on track. He has a long history of working closely with Democrats – so much of a history that Kerry wanted McCain as his running mate. Biden, during the primaries also said he believed McCain would bring more to the table as president then Obama. Bush was not at the RNC – he is the first sitting president in recent history not to attend his own party’s convention because McCain didn’t want him there! McCain and Bush have been enemies for a long time, why would McCain want to memorialize him by extending any of his policies? The only policy he has said he will extend are tax credits, because everyone knows you don’t raise taxes when the economy is bad.

Karen you want bad news on Obama even tough its lie after lie there is FOX NEWS !!!! your brain dead pals are all there listening and watching Your best sorce for Official Government news You know their motto We distort, You Comply!

Hey MyHeartBleeds,
I never said anyone was killing babies. I was questioning why its okay for the right wing to characterize the political position of “pro-choice” as “baby-killing” but its not okay to characterize the right-wings lack of support for potentially life saving medical research as an expression of indifference to life.
I personally believe that the way the right wing defines “life” it seems to stop at birth, because they are not so much interested in what happens to people after they are born as they are about what happens to them before.

I am sure if the Democrats win and turn us all into science experiments in a petri dish that I will stop eating, disconnect from my loved ones and die a terrible death of some bizarre form of cancer. This is no joke. The government will run our healthcare and fully fund research on human beings. We will be nothing but specimens to these people. Better be careful when playing games with human life.

why did it take GW’s 2003 Highway funding bill to get Delaware to enact seat belt laws? You would think Joe’s wife and kid getting squashed would make him care?

Actually, she did try to ban books and she did try to fire the librarian for insubordination. There was a huge outcry and Palin backed off. When Sarah became mayor of Wasilla she was drunk with power for a while and pretty much tried t run the place like her own little kingdom…or like a Bush.

mystery
and if you win
sounds like we will throw the planet into a fictionville while we drill drill drill and destroy it for our kids.
this throwing science under the bus that has wrapped us for the last 8 years because of mentalities like yours have risked our kids’ futures.
nice really nice

Mystery,
I would rather take my chances being a democratic specimen then a republican croney any day.
Your blog was just more of the fear mongering from the re-pubican party.

patrick wrote:
God sent his son in the form of a downs syndrome baby to test our faith
If this is true, the second coming already started on the day George Bush was sworn in.

David Benyuayn,
Actually Palin belongs to an anti-semitic church and obviously Obama is not muslim. But then again facts don’t matter for the GOP.
Lies, corruption and innuendo work just fine!

Hey Steve from who cares…you want to talk about an original idea…why don’t you take some of your own advice. All you demo craps can talk about is Bush…Bush! Take your rhetoric and stick it in your port side.
Hey Joe…What a BIGOT you are! Your kind is the cancer in America that we need to get rid of. And another thing…use spell check you idiot…it authority not athority. You need to go back to elementary school.
Hey Ejack…you want to talk about how long McCain has been in Washington…what about Biden? Congress is the only job Biden has had! You may want to check your facts before you start talking out of both sides of your face.
See You in November.

OOOOOOOPs, I mis-read and attributed the comments I was responding to to the wrong person……..however, my response still stands even tho I directed it to the wrong person………….excuse me, shelleyt! However, Flynn Duffy is wrong altogether………

well pam i am not glad your vote is gone but if that is your reasoning…yeah you are not what anyone would call smart or filled with character if you can throw all those ethics and values under the bus in Hillary’s face all for spite.
and you would be one person that got what you deserve
hope you never have an injury or situation that science can help or back up and be thrown under the bus for Palin’s backkward war aginst advancement.

After every election of a public office position, they generally have the right to fire or request resignation of staff members. It was no different with Sarah Palin and she should not be critized for letting people go who were not up to her high standard.
If Obama is elected, thousands of employees will be looking for new jobs. He will put in his own people and that is scary, considering the type of people he likes to have around him.
If my kids came home with a book promoting homosexuality, racism, terrorism or a overly sexual content, I would have marched right down to the library and then city hall.
Obama and too many of his supporters seem to think anything goes and everything is ok. There should be no limits at all.

Then, there is the growing scandal about the Biden/Obama pork relationship…
Specifically, Obama sought more than $3,400,000.00 in congressional earmarks for clients of the lobbyist son of his Democratic running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware.
Records show Obama succeeded in getting $192,000.00 for one of the clients, St. Xavier University in suburban Chicago.
Obama’s campaign has taken a hypocritical stance against the world of lobbying in the nation’s capital.
Obama says he limits his own efforts to get money for pet projects — a process known as earmarking — to those that benefit the public while the facts say different.
However the pork is politically classified, Obama requested over $1,000,000.00 in earmark pork for every day he has been a member of the Senate.
An analysis for The Washington Post by Taxpayers for Common Sense of Hunter Biden’s firm’s lobbying business found that its clients collected $2,700,000.00 in earmarks in the last fiscal year.
And, Obama would have us believe he is an agent of change while he blasts Washington for decisions made while he was a member of a Democrat majority Congress…
Pathetic and desperate…
Anybody But Obama…

Wade wake up the dems have been in “control ” since jan 07 and as to control they have not had a majority that can puch any Agenda and if they did manage to get anything thru there was Bush with the Veto pen that he did not use till then not ONCE in his first term and not until dem legistlation started coming thru even with bi partisan support he still vetoed it so how is that Control of the house and senate you don’t have a clue I mean saying the last several yrs they had control did you flash back to the first Bush admin or something ?

If we all pray hard enough piplines will appear, wars will be won, diseases will be cured, you will get your house back, all of the real issues we face today will just go away! Of course everyone knows the big guy in the sky is all for more pipelines it is his will.
It’s like she’s her God’s attorney reading his will.

Answer to D
You better believe I am not the only one who feels this way!
The only way I might consider obama is Michelle Obama to bend over and apologize from hillary in public for calling her
‘If you can not run your own family, than you can not run a country”
Also I want the DNC to admit they were wrong not to stop the MSM trashing Hillary!
Or Obama to dump Biden and pick Hillary as his VP!
Hillary’s appearence on TV asking our vote for Obama will only turn me off more and more and will make me get more angry and remember the old bad primary days!

PAM – are you serious? If so, please don’t even bother voting. You’re not smart enough. So you’re going to cast a vote for a ticket that opposes what you supposedly believe in…because you’re POUTING? Get a grip. If you decided to cast a vote for McCain based on issues, policy, past performance…I could respect that. But casting a vote because you think you’re getting even? That’s ridiculous. I live just outside Fairbanks, Alaska and by the time we cast our votes it’s pretty much over anyway, we don’t make much difference. But I still take my right to vote very seriously and would NEVER throw my vote away or use it in such a ridiculous way.

richardcranium,
The dems have not had enoug majority to get anything done.
Bush did not veto one bill until the dems got the small majority and he has been on a veto fest.
Laws get passed when a President signs it. All of them. So you keep blaming the Dems and ignore the facts. Those things called facts don’t seem to be visable to republicans. It has to be some fear mongering lie before the republicans buy it.

The original contentious debate was over FEDERAL funding of EMBRYONIC stem cell research. That Biden and apparently most people have forgotten this key distinction is why a lot of people on this site are talking past each other. Stem cell research is wide open and, if embryonic stem cell research is so potentially lucrative, there should be lots of investors drooling to make money.

MAC – you can ask her where she bought her glasses. She seems comfortable with that.

Hey Jayhawk (are you a fictional creature?).
Let’s hear you spin Sarah Palin spending government money to pay herself to live at home and to pay for her kids to go on vacation, and then come up with a spin that reconciles McCain’s stated aversion to lobbying with the fact that his entire campaign team (almost) is made up of lobbyists.
And to anyone who thinks McCain won’t do what the neo-cons tell him, just like Bush did, you have to look at his RECENT record, not ancient history. He has abandoned very “maverick” position he ever had, and has fallen completely in line with the lobbyists and neo-cons. He even picked their Vice President, not his own.
To those really worried about 4 more years of the same, get off these boards, donate your time and money to getting them out of the White House.

ALICE – not true, not even close to the truth. Check your facts.

can you republicans get a single fact straight
alice in miami
that is a lie again another one pushed by the bush cheney mccain campaign to keep covering truth in the 9th year…
go look at the elections in wasilla and the votes for Biden…and see just how wrong you are or how big of a lie you just told…
make up more numbers why don’t you

I’m outta’ here – back to work – you guys have a great afternoon!

Kathy,
Your vote means nothing.

FACT CHECK.ORG—SEPT 9,2008–Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.

Pam – I agree with you. The Democratic leaders stopped representing the people when, before the primaries even started, many threw their support toward Obama – they annointed him as the chosen one long before Super Tuesday. Had top officials not muddied the waters with their overly vocal support of Obama and criticism of Hillary, the primaries would have had a different outcome. Since Hillary is out, the next best thing we can do is look toward McCain, a moderate who has a long history of working side by side with democrats.

hey Obama will carry MA!
I DON’;T THINK SO!
OBAMA WILL EVEN LOOSE MA!
Mcain/Palin a landslide victory!

I ahve to agree with few bloggers here!
For the first time I am not going to fllow Hillary and won’t vote for Obama!
If Hillary keeps going out and campaigns for Obama she will loose her own base too!
I can associate myself with Sarah Palin!
McCain/Palin 2008!

I have to agree with few bloggers here!
For the first time I am not going to fllow Hillary and won’t vote for Obama!
If Hillary keeps going out and campaigns for Obama she will loose her own base too!
I can associate myself with Sarah Palin!
McCain/Palin 2008!

Jim MA you are funny
Massachusetts would be at the state border with pitchforks if Palin showed up.
so would most of the states in america.

Alice in Miami,
so a town is dumb enough to vote for an ex-cheerleader-cum-beauty queen, and that’s the criterion for putting her in the White House . . . I thought it was because she sold her plane on ebay – whoops, she lied. Maybe it was because she refused to take money for the “bridge to nowhere” – oh, yeah, she lied about that, too. Perhaps she didn’t try to get earmarks for the City of Wasilla? – darnit, $22 million, and JOHNNY “CRASH” MCCAIN’S THE ONE WHO OUTED HER??
Yeah, you’d better stick to the whole, “she got more votes than Joe Biden” schtick. Oh, wait, given that she came from a town of 6,000 and Joe Biden won 116,000 votes. That would mean that Sarah Palin stuffed over 10,000 ballots into the ballot box and the City of Wasilla fell for it.
The truth is that she won 114,000 votes STATEWIDE when she ran for governor. No, that still doesn’t work . . .
I KNOW! SHE WON MISS CONGENIALITY!!!

To “LIFE”:
You write:
niccolo m:
["I am sorry...most people don't find out they are pregnant until they are around 5-6wks old..."when a heart starts beating".
This no longer makes it "just a bunch of cells", this makes it "a living thing".
A heart beat represents a life that is just beginning. "A life that deserves a chance."
Therefore, "I choose" to "call it a baby."
Whenever a person is "pregnant" and in the early stages you never hear them say, "Oh my little embryo" "oh my little fetus" no they refer to it as their baby. Its a baby, you need to go and read up on what all develops w/in the first month of life and then maybe you will understand just a little bit.]
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I don’t dispute that a fetus is alive. of course it is.
But what being “alive” has to do with being a “human being” or being “a baby”, that I don’t see.
The mother’s own beating heart is alive – it is not a baby, nor is she a baby.
The mother’s breathing lungs are alive – they are not a baby.
From a different perspective, a patient at the end of LIFE can be “brain dead”, but still have a beating heart and breathing lung. They can be kept artificially “alive” long after they have been declared legally dead.
Note: by law – and common understanding – a brain dead patient – is not even consider “alive”. The person is legally dead.
So, having a beating heart does not mean what you seem to think it does.
I also find your play with words “fetus”, “baby”, “my little embryo” irrelevant.
In my experience, when a woman is pregnant, people do NOT ask after the welfare of the “baby”, “fetus”, or anything else….
They ask after the welfare of the “pregnant mother”.
We ask of the pregnant mother “HOW are YOU feeling.” How’s “the pregnancy treating you”.

Gov. Palin, real change, real success, real person and she did it without the help of criminal muslim money, like Obama.
Refreshing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Susie in FL. | Sep 9, 2008 6:41:13 PM
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Good Post!
No rev. wright, fr. pfleger, rev jackson, farrakhan, hamas, black panthers, resko, auchi, ayres, muslims of america, ludacris, and PLO.
12 good reasons NOT to vote for Osama.
Palin has my vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t care if life begins at conception– I’d STILL be pro-choice.
Anyone who thinks a pro-choice woman is going to use abortion as a means of contraception needs to get their head checked.

oh yeah. a landslide. that’s rich. As IF northeast states will elect someone who has a vaguest possibility to office who believes in creationism. While there may be ample stupid people in this nation,and while this ticket is EXACTLY like Bush right down the wingbat who takes zero responsibiilty for his own choices and declares the war he started as “God’s war”, no way in hell you’d ever get a landslide. the northeast and california are kind of parculiar in that we weren’t big fans of the scarecrow in the wizard of Oz. We like a candidate that has a brain.

One thing is clear . . . Biden is arguably the dumbest human form in the entire free world.

total lie about sex ed to kids who are 5. What he wants is what we had in mass , and that is that you WARN kids who are in school that IF someone touches you in private areas that is wrong. It is sex abuse prevention, you moron. IT is a good idea. Too bad it didn’t happen before the priests molested those boys.

Hi,
While I’m here, I wanted you to know that I cheated on my husband with his business partner and got on a plane for eight hours, before driving 45 minutes so I would lose my baby. I don’t believe in birth control or abortion, you know. But I do believe in infanticide.
Oh, and I’ve caught John checking out my behind (te-hee-hee!) He cheated on his first wife for Cindy, he’ll DEFINITELY cheat on her with me!

You go Sarah!!!

Obama is going to lower taxes. period. end of story. anything else is a lie. Obama is going to LOWER taxes for middle income.

The DENIAL OF SCIENCE and the DUMBING DOWN OF AMERICA are very real events to prop up retarded republicans who are in bad need of STEM-CELL research…Film at Eleven….Back to you DOUG!!!!!!

Good point Sue. I think Obama needs to come out and say just that. Obama is giong to lower taxes. Anyone who says anything different is a LIAR. Period. Throw it back on them. CAll them a liars if they are liars. I like Joe. he’s tough. I hope we see more of this.

Thank you, Aborted Fetuses for Palin.
Fellow fetuses . . . wait, I’m not a fetus . . . but if I was a fetus, I would feel just like you about me. And John, of course. Wait, can a fetus vote? Why are you disgusting fetuses wasting my time!
Go away! I have a pedicure coming up. Charlie Gibson’s going to do it for me!

I agree with the poster who wonders why no one differentiates between embrionic stem cell and adult stem cell research. But beyond that, I just don’t understand why McCain can simply SAY, with fighting words, I’m going to make change and so many believe him. Obama says HOW he wants to change the educational system, redirect the war to Bin Laden, the guy who actually attacked us, How he’s going to make health care available to more, STOP giving money to the greedy oil companies – you know, all that money they took from us… Does anyone realize you never see/hear from the VP? Do we really think McCain is going to play sec$ond fiddle if he’s Pres? She’s fun, but the plane didn’t sell on eBay and lost money. She gave up on the bridge after it was already dead. She’s not watching over and guiding her kids. And if Obama’s daughter was a teen and pregnant, it would be the end of the world for the Republicans. I just don’t get it. Of course Biden has every right to go after her on stem cell. The Repubs can’t have it both ways.

swl writes: “any thinking person knows the embryonic stem cell research is just another way to fiscally empower the abortion industry.”
try again, swl; any thinking person is probably also a reading person and knows that embryonic stem cells are harvested from frozen embryos created for in vitro fertilization, the majority of which are THROWN AWAY; also, embryonic stem cells yield much better results because they have not yet differentiated themselves; the adult stem cells do not—repeat, NOT—work as well; i know this because i am married to a liver pathologist who’s been working on stem cell research for the past ten years; there’s plenty of embryos ready all the time and therefore no need to turn to “the abortion industry” (??) for donors;
i realize that ignorance and stupidity have been elevated into virtues by the right wing, since those traits proliferate among them, but now your ignorance and/or stupidity is preventing the funding of vital medical research and thus costing even more lives. i thought you people were “pro life”; if only you were also “pro brain”–

PRESIDENT OBAMA, PLEASE DO NOT BE DISTRACTED BY THOSE WHO ARE ANGRY AT YOU FOR NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON. COME NOV. 4, YOU WILL GET YOUR CONGRATULATORY PHONE CALLS.
AMERICA LOVES OBAMA.

I”m sorry about your miscarriage Dee Dee. The heart is a muscle so why folks focus on heart muscle is odd. Because you have muscle tissue that contracts doesn’t mean you have a cognizant being. Which is why they probably focus on a heart beat so much because that is one of the earliest things to develope.The brain and teh central nervous system developes much later. Isaw the ultrasound when my kids were 10 weeks gestation and i can’t tell you they were in there. I didn’t see it. I wanted them, I hoped, I wanted them to keep going and be developed full term into my baby but what i saw was a being that responded with only autonomic responses to stimuli. It was a little creepy to me. ARound week 30 on I saw more of soemoen who moves more slowly and deliberately and then they seemed more babylike. But those earlty first and second trimester ultrasounds were like seeing aliens. I don’t have an opinion on whether I Think abortion is right or wrong i think that is up to God, but I personally don’t think the baby is all there until it is, and i Think that happens long long after it was an embryo.

daddyblue
Now I’ve had just about enough out of you negative Nellies from the left. I will have you know that I am running for Vice President and you have to show me deference. John says so.
Besides, what have scientists ever done? Wait . . . I have my talking points, right here . . . “DRILL BABY DRILL!”
That’s right! Chant with me everybody!

Sarah Palin wrote that other aborted fetuses would like her too. She is right, pedicure appointment or not, she will be a maverick for aborted fetuses everywhere with special federal holidays like “Dead Fetus Memorial Day” and Aborted Fetus Marches. We need someone in the oval office who will blow off the trivial things like Iraq and the state of the economy and focus on important issues like “a fetuses’ right to have a concealed weapon”, “banning of dirty books being available to fetuses”, “allowing the pledge of alligence” to be recited in utero, etc. These are the real issues of this election. Go Sarah Barracuda!

No one, including pro-choice advocates, WANTS to have an abortion or wants their kids to have abortions. Here’s what always shocks me – where is the righteous indignation for the kids of abuse, the kids being beaten and starved by their own parents. Look up Nixmary Brown. Read the story about the woman who microwaved her baby, the dad who beat and locked his kid in the closet, the dead boy in the trunk, the shaken baby… WHERE IS THE FIGHT OVER THE KIDS WHO ARE HERE, NOW. And you want careless teens who don’t want their kids to NOT use birth control?! Where’s the advocacy for those who are HERE!! Why aren’t they the first to be protected? It’s appalling!

FELLOW REPUBLICANS!
If you vote for me, I will make everyone on this blog who doesn’t agree with us shut up forever (choreographed pause). I will have them fired from their jobs (slightly longer choregraphed pause). And I promise to show my jugs to all of you sweaty longshoremen!

It appears that the Republicans find it offensive and disturbing that someone might actually talk about an issue. Remember, according to the McCain campaign, this election is about personalities, not issues.
No Way, No How, No McCain/Palin!

Well, dl,
The difference is that Obama and Biden vote to appropriate the earmarks…
Huge amounts of earmarks…
All 50 Governors are just there to try and get their share of it for their constituents…
Which is their job…
How about the total amount of earmarks that Old Joe Biden has secured for his son, Hunter Biden…
Or the amount of earmarks that Old Joe has secured over his 35 years as a Washington insider…
Not just over the last year or so…
Although, the amount for Old Joe’s cronies is significant…
Old Joe Biden can run, but he can’t hide his pork barrel, earmark record…
Nor, can he hide the Obama connection to the earmarks for his son, Hunter…
Anybody But Obama…

Posted by: tara | Sep 9, 2008 7:04:54 PM
I don’t care if life begins at conception– I’d STILL be pro-choice.
Anyone who thinks a pro-choice woman is going to use abortion as a means of contraception needs to get their head checked.
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I agree and think your message bears repeating.
I do think that people who support a woman’s right to make her own choices about her own body should avoid falling into the trap of using the “artificial language” of people of who oppose recognizing a woman’s right.
Like the Queen of Hearts in Alice in Wonderland, words to them seem to mean whatever the want them to. Black is white, up is down, left is right, embryos are babies, “life” begins at conception.
(As if the debate were about when life begins, rather than when a human being becomes an “individual human being” with separate “individual rights”.)
“Pro-life”, “life begins at conception”
“baby-killers”…
These words as normally used in other contexts before the “pro-life” propaganda seized on them and twisted their accepted meanings, bear no resemblance, to how they are now being used by people who refuse to recognize a woman’s “ownership” over her “own” body.
Maybe pro-choice supporters should seize the language of “ownership”, so beloved by the Republican party, and frame the debate in those terms…
…Republicans do look at the world entirely in free-market terms.

I want everyone in this country to know that I’m not doing this for you; I’m not doing this for my beloved aborted fetuses; I’m not doing this for Charlie Gibson’s foot fetish! I’m doing this because I am a vain and ambitious sociopath, who’ll show you her jugs if you’ll vote for me!
. . . and John.

Sarah, if you show your jugs to all of us down here at the docks, we’ll all vote for you and John twice just like we did for GW in 2004 and 2000!

Since when is the truth and a good point a low blow? McCain and his fellow dark agers are on the wrong side of stem cell research . . . research that has been shown to help with many diseases. Biden does a good job of going back to the issues.

MAVERICK?? I don’t think so. More like a typical Washington opportunist. CHECK OUT the real John McCain!!! http://therealmccain.com/videos.php

1. to whomever said something about socialism, i’ve thought for years that Jesus would have been a socialist.
2. it can’t be possible to say guns/war and Jesus in the same sentence and think you’re a Christian.

Uh Sarah, I think you’re losing some of your votes here. Let me give you a quick primer in voter demographics: Although Ohio and Michigan have many Teamsters, Neveda, Florida and Colorado have more aborted fetuses (who according to the latest polls are more likely to vote than Teamsters). Since the total number of electoral votes in these aborted fetus states totals to 41 (versus 37 for Ohio and Michigan), you need to take off your Teamsters t-shirt and put on your aborted fetus hat, at least until the polls indicate otherwise.

Sara, Sara, Sara, Sara, Sara, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, Sara, Sara!!!

Hawk,
It’s hard to discuss ethics here. I appreciate your views; I confess that not being religious or caring one way or the other about whether or not God exists, and of course, the fact that I am male, makes it hard for me to feel passionate about abortion. I view this as a woman’s issue. Historically, the decision to care for a child has always been the exclusive province of women. You may have noticed that women – regardless of faith – feel strongly on this issue. Men who have opinions on it are often guided by faith or occasionally by experience. Having read the Decision of the Court, written by Justice Blackmun, I think that the state of Texas left a loophole in their laws that compelled the decision. A woman stabbed in the stomach suffered a miscarraige and sued the prosecuting attorney to prosecute her attacker for murder. She lost, and he was prosecuted only for aggrivated battery with a deadly weapon. The state of Texas, in that case, defined life as beginning at birth, not conception.
This is why having a WISE judiciary is better than having a conservative or liberal judiciary.

My junk is registered as a deadly weapon in New Jersey.

Flynn Duffy, St. Louis
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You make great points and I agree with most of them. No doubt McCain will begin day one to secure a great legacy as the reform president, I think this is his one if not his greatest concern. If we give him the chance for the next four years, our nation might have a chance to reduce the waste in Washington, thus leaving an opportunity for our children and grandchildren to prosper. I do not see Obama having the internal fortitude or desire to buck his party to bring about true, meaningful change…he will be looking ahead..to his next election…McCain won’t.

gomac, what informed comments. just like a republican – uneducated, proven by poor spelling and sentence structure, which we seem to see a lot of with the myriad of shallow comments. not BECAUSE you’re republican, but because those seem to be a huge population of republican voters. and this is why we keep having the presidents we have and the economy we have and the gas prices we have and millions without health insurance that we end up paying for anyway… keep talking. you just keep proving our points. too many media followers, not enough researchers.

Curious Indep: Sara is not a Liitle Person. She rocks….BARRACUDA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA!!!!!

Gomac,
I’ll field this one. There are certain contexts we expect to see censorship. In our homes, we share a television set with our children. In the car, we share the radio. Some words and images have been determined unfit for children, hence laws outlawing pornography before the age of 18. So the FCC censors certain images and words that are considered by and large to be inappropriate. But books, Gomac, are where ideas come from. This is where people like Aleksander Solzhenytsen waged war against the Soviet Union, describing the awful things he saw and suffered in the Gulag Archipelago. It was where Victor Hugo waged war against the injustices in France. And it is where, Gomac, we will ultimately defeat the cancer that has marred the party of Lincoln, neoconservatism.
Ideas are the cure for despots like George W. Bush; the torturers, the intolerant, the entrenched. Imagine, Gomac, how you would feel if the left suddenly took over, committing high crimes against your country, and the media never reported on it. You would feel helpless, angry, and you would need a way to express that rage. So you wrote a book or a song or made a movie, but some liberal took exception to it, and had it banned. So you had no means of peacefully expressing how you felt.
Would you quietly accept it?

This is not a good argument for the Obama campaign. Lots and lots of parents can relate to the Palin’s situation with their youngest son. No one, except pharmaceutical executives, employees, and stock holders, can connect to stem cell research. Biden should have brought stem cell research in to the mix in another way. The McCain campaign wins a few more votes with this silly statement.

For the umpteenth time, McCain-Palin, and pro-lifers are not against all stem-
cell research. We are opposed to research that blatantly destroys human
embryos in order to use their stem cells for medical purposes. Many people do not know the numerous adult stem cell success stories that have been recorded. Why use something that is controversial and has NOT produced any cures when another ethical sources of stem-cells have delivered? Even as of last year, it was reported that we now can change adult stem-cells so that they have embryonic-like ‘pluripotent’ characteristics. Get with the science!!!

Just a Mom,
In a sea of insincerity and cynicism, yours is the only post I have read that wasn’t trying to score points, yet makes one with deadly accuracy. Harriet Tubbman: “Keep going.”

If Bush and McCain are pro-life then why did they send 4,000 Americans to die in Iraq? There were no weapons of mass destruction. It was a trigger-happy exercise in futility. Senator Hothead McCain is the most dangerous man in the world.

So the McCain campaign couldn’t answer that question either. This has long been the response – Don’t talk about the issues. The majority of the country supports this research and again they find themselves on the unpopular side. Sadly I’m afraid we may not here ANY policy statements from the Republican ticket until the debates. We’ll see what the governor has to say for HERSELF with Charlie.

Sarah’s friends call her ‘cuda. Obama’s friends call hin from jail. Ask Resko and Auchi their feelings on the subject.

Sarah’s friends call her ‘cuda. Obama’s friends call hin from jail. Ask Resko and Auchi their feelings on the subject.

I can see that you really are Confused.
Palin didn’t say that she sold the plane on ebay, she said she put it on ebay (it got one bid, I believe, which was not accepted). And she didn’t say she sold it for a profit. That would be ridiculous–it was a used plane. She rejected the bridge because it became an embarrassment to her state and its residents. In this, she ended up opposing both Republican Senators from Alaska and Biden and Obama, all of whom voted to fund the bridge. For you to assume that “she’s not watching over and guiding her kids” is quite presumptuous, audacious even. From what do you draw that conclusion? Her pregnant daughter? Her son with Down syndrome? Do enlighten us. “And if Obama’s daughter was a teen and pregnant” and chose to bring that child to term, Republicans would support her decision just as they support Bristol’s. Of course, most Republicans would prefer that if she planned to keep the baby, she would marry the father and raise the child in a two-parent home. After all, it’s not Republicans who consider an unplanned pregnancy a “punishment.”
“Of course Biden has every right to go after her on stem cell.” Of course, if he thinks it’s the thing to do, but if so, he has the duty to be explicit with his charges. He did not specify embryonic stem cell (face it, he didn’t want to specify embryonic stem cell). As far as I know, that’s the only stem cell research Palin opposes. (It was also this reporter’s duty to specify such which he/she didn’t do either.) And by framing the issue with his flippant “Well, guess what folks? If you care about [developmental disability], why don’t you support stem cell research?”, Biden is in effect saying that people with special needs children are not entitled to a moral/ethical opposition to embryonic stem cell research. It’s a reworking of John Edwards’ ridiculous assertion in 2004 that if only George Bush hadn’t prevented stem cell research from going forward (and remember, it’s only embryonic stem cell and it’s only a federal funding prohibition), Christopher Reeve would have been up and walking. It’s stupid and offensive.

Yes, martha S! Stick it to those libbies with those TALKING POINTS!
Who’s Resko?

On the original question of embryonic stem-cell research.
The Republican party’s position on this issue is morally incoherent.
This is easy enough to point out:
1. The Republicans ban all “future stem-cell research using embryonic stem cells”
2. The Republicans permit current & future embryonic stem-cell research based on “existing” stem-cell lines.
This is morally incoherent.
Either the use of embryonic stem-cells (whether existing or future!) is murder, or the use of embryonic stem-cells (whether existing or future) is not.
You can’t have it both ways.
To be consistent, the Republican’s should have banned all embryonic stem-cell research outright. They did not do this.
3. What Republicans seem to object to most vociferously is the destruction of future, fertilized embryos necessary to create new embryonic stem-cell lines.
But they do NOT oppose, and are not trying to outlaw, in vitro fertilization clinics. For every successful pregancy using in vitro fertilization techniques, thousands of unused, fertilized embryos are created, discared, and destroyed on a regular basis, and will continue to be created, discared, and destroyed.
The Republicans and the Pro-life forces are doing nothing to stop, what in other contexts they would call a “Genocide”.
This is actual puzzling to me. If aborting a fetus is “murder”, if you think that a fertilized embryo is a “human being”, the the real “holocaust” of babies, the real “genocide” is occurring every day in fertilization clinics.
Why no protesters lined up in front of in vitro fertilization clinics?
Why is all this attention paid only to abortion clinics?
A real mystery.

LottaLenya,
YES, thank you!
Did you say something nice about me? What’s a “embrionic stem cell?”

Joe,Joe….lowkey it, will you….nice kid from Scranton making an ass of himself. You will end up with a reputation like the big dude’s.

Stem cell research is already being used by the Republican party. McCain was cloned from George Bush…..

Actually McCain said that Palin sold the plane on ebay and made a profit lol

Joe Biden has been known for years for having a very, very ugly mouth. His only weapon is to insult people because he truly has no orginal thought. He adds absolutely NOTHING to the Democratic ticket. He just makes it that much easier to vote McCain/Palin.

Curious Indep,
I resent that remark! I am not some sweaty dockworker who helped GWB steal two elections . . . wait . . . was I supposed to say that?
Put that on a list of Questions Charlie can’t ask me while he’s giving me my pedicure.

With lies, deceit and treachery, neither McCain or Palin appear fit to serve the AMERICAN PEOPLE. McCain’s new ad is an EMBARRASSMENT to himself and the GOP! I know republicans who are repelled by it! If his advisers keep this up, insular McCain the Maverick will drive what’s left of his cattle herd over a cliff!
Videos of The Real McCain can be found online at the RealMcCain website. It is a worthy look!

I fail to see how these comments were offensive.
She said in her speech she’d be an advocate for those with disabilities. Stem cell research has the possibility of ameliorating, or perhaps even curing, some of these conditions.
She brought up her advocacy, and Biden brought up a valid issue.

BULLETIN FOR THE PHONY “SARAH PALIN” WHO
DOESN’T HAVE THE COURAGE TO GIVE US SOME DECENT INPUT ON THE ELECTION, BUT IS ABLE TO GIVE US A VERY GOOD IDEA OF THE STATE OF HER THINKING PROCESS.
“SARAH,” DARLING….WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE NOT A FETUS. YOU ARE MISSING A BIG PART OF A REQUIRED PART TO QUALIFY….BELOW THE HIPS….HINT….HINT….HINT.

Boy, you clowns are amazing.
Don’t you guys know the facts? Anyone who does their own research, and doesn’t get their news from Entertainment Tonight, should know that the federal government has no problem with stem-cell research. If you are a private organization, you can do all of the research you want. The law says that the GOVERNMENT won’t pay for it!
I’ll bet I just got a bunch of “DUH”s out there in blogger-land!

Small town for change is not welcome in Ohio!
We’d rather traditionals with reform in the White House!
Thousand showed up today to see palin in OH!
McCain/Palin 2008

To “SARAH PALIN”…THE SO-CALLED PHONY:
I just read some more of your crap.
Sarah, seek out the Lord Jesus….get help, babe.

I actually received an email to join “women against palin”. It seems to be quite a movement. Smart women won’t be fooled by her. Well maybe republican women.

Biden is a Roman Catholic and accordingly, the Church has condemned embryonic stem cell research as a grave moral evil.
Biden is not only complicit with this evil, but also is a terrible example of the faith he publicly professes to follow.
Why won’t the media report that?

I am waiting on the Biden-Palin debate. I believe Biden wears a size 12 shoe and he is use to the taste of shoe leather. The comment regarding stem cell research proved this point.
Biden it’s your fault, you listened to Obama, as you stated, Obama is not fit to lead.

JOHN McCAIN
vs.
BARAK OBAMA
Favors new drilling offshore US
Yes
No
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
Yes
No
Served in the US Armed Forces
Yes
No
Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS
173 DAYS
Will institute a socialized national health care plan
No
Yes
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
No
Yes
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No
Yes
Supports gun ownership rights
Yes
No
Supports homosexual marriage
No
Yes
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
No
Yes
Voted against making English the official language
No
Yes
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
No
Yes
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN
15% (no change)
OBAMA
39.6% – (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that ‘Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.’)
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K – tax $4,500
Single making 50K – tax $12,500
Single making 75K – tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K – tax $18,750
Married making 125K – tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K – tax $8,400
Single making 50K – tax $14,000
Single making 75K – tax $23,250
Married making 60K – tax $16,800
Married making 75K – tax $21,000
Married making 125K – tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren’t high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least….New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

I don’t understand why people would disagree with the policies of McCain and his puppet-master Palin, but would still vote for them. She’s an “average American woman”? You want someone with no experience to be the leader of the free world? Just because experienced politicians (Bush/ Cheney) have failed does not mean we have to go extremes here.
There is no such thing as bad publicity and we all know Palin has received a boat load of it in recent weeks. Obama has been out of the lime light the past few days because he is diplomatic enough to not make a scene about Palin’s lack of experience, her pregnant teenage daughter, her extremist Christian beliefs…
Take a look at where these people (Obama/ Biden/ McCain/ Palin) stand on the ISSUES. What is important to you? Health care? Foreign Oil? The housing mess? The economy? Brining jobs back to the US? You are voting to make one of these people your leader, your decision maker. Make your choice based on the ISSUES!!!

Posted by: Wade | Sep 9, 2008 8:46:31 PM
palin never said she sold the plane on EBAY. She said she put it on EBAY.
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C’mon Wade: P
Indeed, Palin never said she sold it, she only implied it.
McCain HAS repeatedly said she sold it on eBay, and he adds she sold it for a profit.
She did not sell the plane for a profit.
She sold it at a significant loss to one of her own political supporters.
If you want to talk about facts, at least do us the courtesy of talking about ALL the relevant facts.:-)

Obama is loosing at polls NOT because of Palin !
We Republicans planned this a year ahead!
WE first voted for Obama at red states at the primaries that Hillary could not carry! after getting rid of Hillary, we than put a woman on the ticket and bingo,
We will win again!If you stupid Democrats believe the Obamacans and Obamabots than you deserve to be called stupid!
That was the trap for U!
You could have picked Hillary and would have been up by 15 points now!
McCain/Palin 2008!

I am getting tripple orgazm to watch the MSM’s anger on Palin’s success.
Those broadcasting girls and boys look ugly, Their faces are down and getting longeeerrrrlike John Kerry!
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

So now, not only will Palin not be interviewed ’til she is treated with “deference,” but democrats are not allowed to state policy positions on anything that might suggest a reference to Palin’s family, which she thrust into the limelight. Sarah Palin may be the worst thing that has happened to actual feminism since some idiot decided that feminism was about burning bras . . .

How can Palin go around saying she opposed the bridge to nowhere when she favored it for YEARS until it was clear that it was a lemon. But even when the press keeps asking she just keeps repeating the obvious lie.
I think she is SO much like GWB — just repeat the lie over and over until people think it is true.

Why is the headline on this story “McCain Camp Says Biden’s Remarks on Stem Cell Research are ‘Offensive,’ ‘Disturbing,’ ‘Desperate’”?
Why should the response of a campaign spokesman on either side be a bigger story than what one of the candidates originally says? I could accept including the opposition’s response in the body of a story, but why should that be the headline of the story? Why can’t the media simply report what that candidates themselves are saying, and let us decide ourselves what we think about it?

The post above on McCain vs Obama has some bogus numbers on taxes. The tax plans according to tax policy center are as follows. These numbers are the average estimated change in taxes for each income level.
MCCAIN
Income tax
Over $2.9M -$269,364
$603K and up -$45,361 $227K-$603K -$7,871
$161K-$227K -$4,380
$112K-$161K -$2,614
$66K-$112K -$1,009
$38K-$66K -$319
$19K-$38K -$113
Under $19K -$19
OBAMA
Income tax
Over $2.9M +$701,885
$603K and up +$115,974
$227K-$603K +$12
$161K-$227K -$2,789
$112K-$161K -$2,204
$66K-$112K -$1,290
$38K-$66K -$1,042
$19K-$38K -$892
Under $19K -$567
If you make over about a quarter million per year, you are better under McCain’s plan. If you make less than a quarter million, you are better under Obama.
However, note that under McCain’s plan the national debt goes up by about 1.2 Trillion $ compared to Obama. This could devalue the currency and could hurt you in other ways, but if you make much more than a quarter mil a year, this is probably not as important.

In Feb of this yr, McCain, once again voted in favor of federal embryonic stem cell research, against Bush. McCain has always been in favor of it.
This was just another issue that McCain crossed over and voted with the Democrats.
Instead of believing, the liar, Biden everytime he opens his mouth, why don’t you people look it up, then comment on the facts and not conjecture.

I think John McCain has a reasonable stance on embryonic stem cell research. I wish he had chosen a VP who was equally moderate. Unfortunately, 19% of US Vice Presidents have unexpectedly become president due to the death or resignation of a president. So, yes, we need to give serious consideration to Sarah Palin’s stances.
From PewForum.org, here is John McCain’s position: “McCain opposes embryonic stem cell research that uses cloned human embryos. In 2006 he supported a trio of U.S. Senate bills designed to increase federal funding for adult stem cell research, ban the creation of embryos for research and offer federal support for research using embryos slated for destruction by fertility clinics. In 2007, in what he described as “a very agonizing and tough decision,” he voted to allow research using human embryos left over from fertility treatments.”

rick–
why?

Can we just leave god out of all of this? For the love of all that is good, people…start using your logic and reason! God isn’t going to fix our country. God is not going to fix the housing crisis. Jesus IS NOT going to show up and solve our problems in the middle east. HUMANS and IDEAS are going to get the job done. PEOPLE…yes, fallible PEOPLE will either fix or doom this nation and planet. I find it absolutely insane that god still has his nose poked into our business vicariously through infinitely selfish indealouges and hate-mongers who have every ideal BUT god in their hearts. Honestly, let’s start THINKING about things a bit.
Like it or not, this is THE most important medical issue of this generation, and we’re f***ing BLOWING it by talking about jesus and god. We have an obligation, not only to our country and it’s citizens, but to the WORLD and hers as well, to either say “yes” or “no” based on science, facts, and reason.

McCain dated a stripper? Then left his first wife for a younger and richer version — how ugly! This does not seem very Christian to me. He is not a family values candidate. Call me nuts, but I am another republican for Obama.

Err… Rev Wright’s actions sound a whole lot like McCain’s. Having an affair, breaking up marriages, and leaving his wife for a younger woman. (not to mention the stripper thing…)

Obama quote regarding Palin: “A pig without lipstick is still a pig”.
Can you imagine the uproar if McCain had said this about Hillary. You Libs and your co-conspirators in the MSM would SH!T a brick. And you know it. To all Catholics and protestants: It is a sin to support any politician who promotes infanticide!!

Palin gave this speech a few months back about how “God wanted us to build this pipeline that I support… not the pipeline proposed by that other company that i didnt’ give the contract to … so lets pray that we can do God’s bidding”. She sounds like such a complete wacko!
you tube is great isnt’ it?

In august the founder of Jews for Jesus came to Palin’s church and preached that there were terrorist actions in israel because god is punishing the Jews who don’t accept Jesus. That is just disgusting. Palin just sat there and listened. She should have walked out — right? Or does this rule only apply to Obama?

Dont’ forget how, last month when they floated the gov of virginia as a candidate for democratic vp, Rove went ballistic about how a one term governor hardly has the experience to be vp. But with Palin… no problem there.

There are a few honest republicans out there. People like Peggy Noonan, David Frum, Charles Krautheimer, Pat Buchanan… they all said that Palin was completely politically motivated, and although she may help McCain get elected, she would be a terrible vp. They all said that this was McCain abandoning his last principles… and these are real republicans speaking.

SoChristian–My point exactly, it’s okay for the libs to put down McCain for the failure of his first marriage (it was a mutaul separation from his first wife and the stripper was in 1958, way before he married his first wife), but the Democrats do not see a problem with Rev Wright breaking up 2 marriages and almost his own.
Hypocritical!

Last I checked Rev Wright is not running for president.
How many marriages has Obama broken up? Hmmm… that would be none.

Adams: You are right, I would not vote for Rev Wright for president either. Nor would I vote for McCain. I vote christian values. If you have been divorced, you are not a good christian. Marriage is forever.

Respect My Authority!

Our country’s health care system is becoming a disaster. For some frightening reading, go look at life expectancies of various countries — we rank about 40th. Behind cuba and croatia, which are third world countries.
Why is the situation so bad — because only the rich can afford real health care, and it is getting worse. Insurance is getting more and more expensive, and more and more people are having to go without.
I’m a MD and every day I see people making choices of what medicine they can really afford — even if they really need the medicine to live. It is sad.
Since i care a great deal about this issue, I’ve read through the position papers of the candidates very carefully. I’ve also read the position papers of the democratic and republican parties. Without question Obama’s plan makes much more sense to me.

I HOPE OBAMA GETS AIDS, SO HE CAN BE LIKE ALL THE HOMOSEXUALS THAT SUPPORT HIM!

People one can play sports with asthma. If the military denies them, that is their rule. It’s referred to as Exercise Induced Asthma. Just as the military used to refuse those that had kidney stones. But you can still play sports with renal stones too. West Point can still refuse on those grounds. Though in the desperate climate the military is currently in, I doubt anyone is refused.

SoChristian–I am a Christian and I would never see myself divorcing my spouse, however, judge not lest ye be judged. Thank God, I have never been in a bad marriage, but there are many men and women who divorce and it has nothing to do with being a bad person, maybe they are trying to get out of a bad situation. Mental and physical abuse, drugs, the economy, mental disabilities, it’s all out there and no one should be expected to live in that situation. At least Republicans do not believe in same sex marriage, that is not Christian, neither is abortion. I could never vote Democrat just because I think these are 2 very unchristian positions that Democrats believe in.

I truly believe that McCain is pro-abortion. He was pro-abortion his entire life until he started running for president, then he switched — do you think this is something he really cares about? I don’t think so.
More important to me is how a Christian treats the poor and less fortunate. McCain and the republicans are a party that really caters to the rich. Just look at those massive tax breaks he is proposing for people who make over a million a year. Why? Because they support him. We need money to support the poor in our country. We need money to give people health care. The rich have the money. How can he give such big tax breaks to the upper 10% ?
Another issue that speaks to me as a Christian is how much he cares about not killing people. Supporting this crazy war in Iraq has killed thousands of innocent americans — and tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent Iraqi men women and children. Obama had the sense to realize that this was the wrong war — and he let the world know that it was wrong from the very beginning. McCain just went along with Bush’s insanity.

I apologize for that remark. It was in very bad taste. Adams, you should apologize too. We should live in a better country where people don’t say such mean things.
Did you hear the awful things that McCain said about Chelsea Clinton. Just horrible. Now I’m going to support Obama.

I know a pit bull. That pit bull is a friend of mine. And, Barry, you’re no pit bull.
Turn out the lights, the party’s over.

Lipstick on a pig is a well know expression and you know it… oink oink.

Maybe Sarah Pale-One should wake up and grow up. A few tips for her now that she is about to become a small fish in a big pond. (1) If your old enough to fall pregnant then you are old enough to be spoken about in public. (2) You don’t get a free ride if you are a woman. (3) Running a $22 million debt as mayor doesn’t make you an executive with experience. (4) Just because you believe in Jesus doesn’t mean He believes in you. But lots more tips for Sarah at http://angryafrican.net/2008/09/05/a-letter-to-sarah/

This is probably of the first instances we’ll see of Biden’s recurring, and incurable Foot in Mouth Disease.
The democrats are digging themselves into an election grave with their own mouths. Let them talk….the more they talk, the lower they sink….till they sink so low they’ll never rise to win in Nov.
from an ex-Democrat voting for McCain/Palin because we don’t need an anti-American racist bigot for President with a VP who insists on proving what an ass he is each time he opens his mouth.

S. Adams -
I’m glad you at least stick to your convictions. I’ll tell you though, the Republicans are NEVER going to reverse Roe v Wade. Never. They’ve been trotting that issue out to appeal to “values voters” such as yourself for YEARS now. Then as soon as they are voted into office, they usher their “culture-of-life” rhetoric back into the corner for another four years.
Has anything ever been done about it? Nope. Have they even really tried? Nope. Why? That’s their big wedge issue. That would destroy their big hook. They might lose you guys without it.
Vote for them if you need to, just don’t hold your breath for them too.

My candidate will challenge corruption and waste in members of his own party, and has a history of doing so. Does yours?
My candidate is not above self-criticism and admits when he was wrong. Does yours?
My candidate values the opposing party and the wisdom that they have to offer. Does yours?
My candidate recognizes that this country wants elected officials to pull together, instead of a tug-of-war. Does yours?
My candidate recognizes that the major problem in government is greed, and its many forms. Does yours?

Dear Angry African,
You said, “(4) Just because you believe in Jesus doesn’t mean He believes in you.”
I disagree absolutely with this statement. I believe that in just about every reasonable denomination of the Christian Church, a personal belief in Jesus – with all that entails – and acceptance of Him as one’s savior is the linchpin of salvation.
Can you please express yourself as to exactly what branch of Christianity does not believe this, and how it legitimizes you to presume the salvation status of another fellow Christian – presuming you are a Christian?

Sigh,
I have no delusions concerning Republicans support for abortions. Unfortunately, it is here to stay no matter who is in office. My concern is that Obama supports partial and late term abortions with no restrictions on when it is unacceptable. He also supports minors getting abortions without parent consent and supports crossing state lines to do it. He also supports that if a child lives through an attempted abortion it does not have a right to medical care. That is not right. It is bad enough that abortions are allowed in the 1st trimester, when a baby has a heartbeat as early as 3-4 weeks.

Wow,
This food fight seems to have gone, once again into a frothing rant about everything but the topic.
I guess Biden must be right.

Posted by: Mean Hombre | Sep 9, 2008 11:16:51 PM
You say:
“Roe V Wade: Republicans want to send it back to the States where the “real” people can have a vote and a voice in whether it really should become the law of the land.
This is the “fairest” way for such complex social issues to be resolved. The Dem-Fascist party of Obama/Biden fear the people as they will lose overwhelming government control and will be set back in their effort to enforce uniformity of thought throughout the land.”
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I beg to differ:
1. It is not, as you assert, a complex “social issue”, it is a complex “moral issue” that should be left to each woman to resolve according to her own conscience or the guidance & doctrine provided by her own religion (note: not all traditional religions consider abortion immoral, not even all Christian denominations think it is immoral).
2. There is nothing “fair” about sending individual rights back to the states to be rescinded by the will of the majority. Have you ever heard of the tyranny of the majority? The majority is NOT the guarantor of what is right. That is why we have a constitution – to protect against the tyranny of the majority.
3. You obviously disagree, but the majority of Americans feel that although abortion is always regrettable, it is nevertheless a woman’s right – NOT THE GOVERNMENT’S – whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term.
A woman owns her own body – and the gov’t and a minority of religious zealots should keep their paws off her body.
I imagine your tune will change when the Government comes after your kidney, or FORCES you to give blood.

If we follow through on the logic of banning abortion in the extreme, we are indeed saying that a woman, or a person for that matter, does not OWN their body, at least when considering certain medical procedures.
The ramifications run in all directions here, but that which I enjoy most is that in following the logic of Government ownership, the public would essentially abuse such ownership, willingly or otherwise.
Pregnant women could readily argue that since the government now owns their bodies, they must also feed and house said bodies, etc. Men, for fear of sexual descrimination by the government could rationally argue that they too are entitled the same benefits as women.
The government would then have to step in and feed and house the public in general.
The incentive would be for the population to procreate like rabbits.
In the end, America would become the largest welfare state in the world!
Food of course would invariably be Soylent Green.
AHA! That’s the Republican Dream isn’t it???
A slave/welfare state that consumes itself! Hooray!

Yeah, let’s argue about when life begins…like we’re going to solve that one in the next few months. Meanwhile kids suffer with no health care, stem cells research could be saving thousands of lives…but no, let’s accuse anyone who mentions sex education odf wanting to give condoms to 5 yr olds. Lies, distortions, distractions.
Same old politics, same old McCain.

Democrats,
There are a number of things in this election that are simply out of our hands.
Irrational thinking and or behavior one.
If you couldn’t change your spouse, boyfriend, girlfriend or child you’re sure as hell not going to change a PUMA or fundamentalist. Let’s not get distracted from the positive things we can do. get out the vote etc.
That’s how we’ll win. Engage these people with the name of someone you registered to offset their vote. Show them the list of potential Democrats you just picked up from Forest Lawn or casually mention your breakfast with Jesus and their name coming up while hewas commiserating over his disappointments. As he’s often said to me, “Jesus H,lighten up Kelly and just do what’s in front of you.

Hey Leonard Peltier, using the name as an homage? If you don’t know what I’m driving at; please accept my apology in advance.

americans r so stupid to think the presidency is a buety contest.u think u r failures bcos obama can rise to diz level.if nt ur prejudices how can u compare the dem ticket wit dat of the replcns.anyway a people deserve what they get.n dats the mistake btw bush n algore.hopeless generation,,u like the message bt nt the messanger.go ahead the world is watching u

Looks like Obama is finally moving beyond his “McCain = Bush” strategy (anyone with half a brain knows that’s not true), and is going for more negative tactics. Obama’s best ads are when he sticks to his agenda. The current strategy is going to work against him.

mccain can use negative adds and win an election but not obama,since the american people understand nottting but negative adds giv it to them.this is not a beauty contest pls its an election.do the write thing.elect OBAMA/BIDEN 08.PLS 4 OUR OWN GOOD.

Obama denounced Reverend Wright.
Reverend Wright is not running for office.
Reverend Wright is irrelevant.
Posted by: republican for obama!!!! | Sep 9, 2008 3:04:30—————- It is relevant to a lot of people. He was his pastor and spiritual mentor for 20 yrs preaching hate about america. If you think they are still not talking regularly, you are wrong and he is bamboozling you.

If you want to talk stem cell research, how about we talk about the adult stem cell research. Right now adult stem cells are being used in over 70 clinical treatments. Embryonic stem cells are being used in 0 clinical treatments.
Maybe Biden needs to talk with his bishop on that topic as well.

DONT LOWER THE STANDARD,PALIN CANT TAKEOVER IF MCSAME DIES,NO MATER HOW U FRAME I JUST DONT C HOW SHE CAN.CLINTON DOES. NT PLAYIN.OBAMA/BIDEN 08

The way Ms. Palin and her friends were showing her son with down syndrome on the stage and her public demonstration of affection for the boy makes it clear that they were trying to take advantage of the boy’s condition for political purpose. I didn’t worry too much about it, but my wife, mother of two, felt sick about it. This was an act of political cynicism and desperation. Aren’t we all used to seeing the use of illness of celebrity figures as the rallying cry for actions against cancer, alzheimer’s etc? Whether you like it or not, Ms. Palin’s son is no longer a little baby son next door. Very few know about my neighbor’s 6-month old son who has down syndrome. He is an ordinary boy! Biden’s comment is quite legitimate in this context.

This is for some of the so-called (fake?) Hillary fans posting in this blog. If McCain wins, what makes you think Hillary’s turn will come in 2012? If she manages to get the nomination, she will be trounced by Ms. Palin. A truncated Democratic Party will ensure that. It is time to be real and not “dumb”, my friends.

dl,
That is the illusion. McCain and Palin do not want to throw the bums (Republicans) out. Just Democrats. You can bet that they will campaign for all the Bush-enablers in the Republican part. Like Elizabeth Dole….classic Washington insider and Bush lackey…McCain and Palin will change nothing…Same old crap, same old policy…
Posted by: indy_voter | Sep 9, 2008 4:21:33 PM
—————————————-Same could be said about Obama and Biden. Biden has been a senator for 35 yrs, so where is Obama’s change?

“Let us make the frenzied media assault our WAKE UP CALL that if we do not take action now we will lose this election. Let the attacks of the elite media on this special woman be constantly remembered and rally us to victory.
Many (especially older voters) are fooled by the supposedly unbiased anchors. When we listen to the elite media and see their comments. These are the people who vetted Obama with the same tenacity as a mother vetting her child. In contrast we all watched as the elite media salivated like wolves snarling and slashing at the Governor and her little daughter before Governor Palin’s speech. Then immediately after the speech (when they had gathered the entire pack for the vetting kill of “this woman”), we saw fear on their faces. They had that undeniable acute depressive look of a bad cop caught with his hand on the throat of an innocent woman.
Some in the media had the integrity to apologize and some (like Olberman and The “hard ball” liberal were fired but others (like the CNN crowd) are unrepentant and now they are reuniting the pack. Like herd out of a Thomas Kuhn novel they are intellectuality rationalizing their abhorrent behavior and reforming as would a clutch of corrupt policemen.
The pundits on both sides are excused –they admit their bias but these “Journalists” are like a doctor who prescribes you a drug without telling you he/she is getting a kickback! For all those professionals who use the public trust to advance their own agenda— the Olberman firing is your wake up call–that one is for you!!
We must recognize that the founders of America never planned for a biased media with a stranglehold on most of the news America reads and sees. The field is unbalanced yet we must win, in part because those who unbalanced this election must not be allowed to prevail. All of us must dig deeper to support Senator McCain and Gov. Palin. Get involved NOW and/or send as much as you can afford NOW –The media is doing their best to elect their chosen one –lets all do our part ASAP. Dealing with Media bias is like dealing with a corrupt police force –they will always self justify. They will not fix themselves. Go to the McCain site and get involved and/o donate as much as you can afford today. Let’s get America back and show for all of history that in America the media cannot anoint our leaders.

Barack Obama wants to live in the White House – but his youngest half-brother lives in the poorhouse.
George Obama, one of the candidate’s seven living half-siblings, lives on pennies a month in a hut in Africa, the Italian edition of Vanity Fair revealed.
“No one knows who I am,” George Obama, 26, told the magazine. “I live like a recluse, no one knows I exist.”
He lives on the outskirts of Nairobi in a 65-square-foot shack decorated with posters of the Italian soccer clubs AC Milan and Inter, and a calendar of beaches.
“I live here on less than a dollar a month,” he said.
The younger Obama has a front-page newspaper photo of his famous brother, the Democratic candidate who lives in a $1.65 million restored Georgian mansion in Chicago.
First Mr. Obama Help your own brother before trying to fix The family’s of America…

Why is it that when ever a “hot button” issue comes up The MSM (including ABC) runs headlines that feature McCain’s response??? On the opposite side you paint it as Obama attacking. Clearly stem cell research IS an issue that is open for discussion & is a clear difference. The McCain camp is crying foul because they KNOW it’s a loser for them. So by screaming loud at first mention of the issue & crying foul they try to remove it as an issue. A compliant media assists.
It’s time for the media to report the facts & ask the same hard questions to McCain & Palin that Obama & Biden have been graciously answering. The media is teetering on the brink of obscurity for a reason…

Thing I would like to say to McCain/Palin supporters:
1) I love my child more than anything in the world, so how is wanting my child to live a healthy normal life offensive to Republicans? Shame on you.
2)If something has potential to save my father’s and million’s of other people’s lives then I will fight any ignorant till my last breathe.
3)I believe in god. And god does not want me to play spectator to demise of my loved ones. He wants me to do whatever I can to love them & save them.
4)Unfortunately every intelligent question/debate started by democrats is conviniently labelled offensive by Republicans because they rely not on intellect but on emotional spin on topics to mislead an ignorant voter base.
5) Most people comparing adult to embryonic stem cells are ignorant. Adult stem cell reseach is nowhere near embroynic stem cell. In fact due to the basic difference between adult and embryonic stem cells, many things are impossible with adult stem cells.
6)God has created me free. And this country where I live reflects that. I will never give up freedom for a little security. I would never want to live in China where the government tell me whether I should or should not have a baby.
You cannot force me into choosing between my faith and my freedom. My belief in god does not chain me to the words of a book. It much bigger than that. I believe if you do good, spread love and believe in existence of a god who loves his children, you have served your purpose here.

So now we can’t talk about stem cell research because Palin has a handicapped child? What a load of (you know what). I am really getting sick of this idiocy out of a formerly honorable man. McCain has completely sold out what made him a “maverick” in order to get his parties nomination. Palin was another pick of the religious right to cram their beliefs down the throats of all the other heathens.
Let me guess, if we talk about energy policy that would be sexist too because Palin is from Alaska. Right? Is anybody else hearing the Twilight Zone theme playing? We certainly can’t debate abortion or the lack of adequate support for families in crisis. That would be sexist too since Palin gave birth and her family is in crisis with her teenage daughters pregnancy. Is there any issue left that we can debate?

You missed a great opportunity when you let Mitt Romney slip through your fingers America! Man of God man of integrity, and I don’t make any opologies for saying “man of God”