Biden’s Gloves Come Off … Against ‘Sexist’ Media
ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe reports: Some might have expected Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., to come out swinging after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s scathing speech last night at the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minn. But Thursday morning, Biden threw more punches at the "sexist" press than at his vice presidential counterpart.
"No one has to wonder about there being a sexist bone in my body," Biden said in an appearance on "Good Morning America." "And the truth is, some of the stuff that the press has said about Sarah, and that others have said about the governor, I think, are outrageous. Look, I think kids are off-limits, flat off-limits.
"I think this stuff about how can she be a governor and vice president and raise three kids — c’mon, whoever those folks are don’t know any strong women," he continued.
"I just think some of the stuff said has been over the top, totally unfair, and has been sexist, and I think the way the governor has handled it has been admirable."
As for how Palin handled her speech at the Republican National Convention, Biden said he was impressed.
"I thought she had a great night," the senator said of Palin. "I thought she had a very skillfully written and very skillfully delivered political speech, and I was impressed with her.
"I was also impressed with what I didn’t hear," Biden added. "I didn’t hear a word mentioned about the middle class, or health care, or about how people are going to fill up their gas tanks."
The Democratic vice presidential nominee noted that the speech reeked of the influence of Karl Rove.
"That’s sort of the Rovian way of doing things," he said. "You know, I think it’s a political skill set that Republicans have used with some effectiveness over the years, and so, it’s not surprising to me.
"I don’t know if they’re effective or not," he said of such tactics. "That’s for the American people to decide. My guess is that they saw through a lot of it. So much of what was said was just simply not true."
The senator cited taxes as one example, noting the case of Palin’s sister, who owns a gas station.
"I should let her sister know she’d be better off under a Democratic plan."
But it was not what Palin said that stood out for Biden — it was what she didn’t say.
"She never once mentioned the word Afghanistan, never once mentioned the word Pakistan," he said. "The phrase ‘middle class’ was not mentioned once."
Of course, some of the things Palin did say served to attack the Democratic ticket, but Biden said he will not ratchet up his rhetoric in response to his Republican opponents.
"I’m not going to change my tone about John McCain, I think it’s just kinda sad the way they went after Barack Obama," he said.
"They’re good funny lines," Biden acknowledged. "I gotta admit, I’m glad they weren’t about me, ya know. I mean, I’m sitting there thinking, ‘Whoa, look at that zinger.’"
And Obama’s running mate has already started raising expectations for Palin ahead of the veep debate on Oct. 2 in St. Louis.
"I think she’s gonna be a pretty skillful debater. I think it’ll be a tough debate for me."
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Sarah shone last night!! She was AWESOME! She’s brilliant, qualified, capable, graceful, and full of great ideas from which our country will benefit! I can’t wait to have her as our next VICE-PRESIDENT! :)
Way to go, Sarah! You’re a great example of authentic womanhood and a smart, qualified Republican!
MCCAIN/PALIN ’08
Posted by: Theresa T. | September 4, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Thank God for Biden. Through the entire speech last night I kept waiting to hear what McCain/Palin were going to do to help our country and instead all I heard was how they think Obama is elitist.
Joe Biden said it best… its about what we did NOT hear.
The reason we didn’t hear anything about jobs, healthcare, afghanistan… is because they’ve got no plan!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA… I can’t wait for one planted question for Palin in a town hall such as… “who is the President of Georgia?”… just to watch her fumble and bumble will be a fun sight to see.
Anyone can read a teleprompter… but can you debate Joe Biden on foreign policy? HAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Blake | September 4, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
The pupose of Sarah Baracuda’s speech was not to outline a McCain Admin policy, rather to introduce Sarah Palin, a ball of fire, as we saw.
At the same time, though, it is clear, from the speech, how the policy is gonna go.
Snooty Libs got reason to worry. They are seen now as the problem, and we begin their demolition.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
As a Democrat supporting Democrats downticket and McCain for President, I think the Republicans can breathe a sigh of relief. Sarah Palin did women proud. She will not back down, she will not be destroyed by a pro-Obama media, and she showed how strong women really can be. As a woman, I was proud of her, and I think she will make a fine Vice President. If the DNC doesn’t think this woman is going to bring over some moderate and conservative-leaning Hillary supporters, they are living in Fantasy Land. I don’t like all her stances, but I like Sarah just fine. McCain-Palin have the support of all the women in my extended Irish-American family.
Posted by: Carrie | September 4, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Hey, McCain said it himself – “This election is not about issues. It’s about personality.” So according to him, it doesn’t matter that you don’t have a job, it doesn’t matter if you can’t afford health care, it doesn’t matter if your kids have to drop out of school because they can’t afford it, it doesn’t matter that we’re spending 10 trillion dollars a month in Iraq and our kids are being killed and maimed and there’s no help for them if they make it back to the US alive, it doesn’t matter that our country is a laughingstock to the rest of the world and we’ve lost the respect of our allies. (Now THAT’s dangerous.) And, it doesn’t matter that the separation of church and state, which our constitution guarantees, is in the process of being destroyed, first by the Bush administration, and now by the McCain/Palin evangelical agenda. This election is really a personality contest? Coulda fooled me. I really did think for a while there that this election was about the issues that affect our lives and livelihood. Silly me.
Posted by: 59 year old white woman obama supporter | September 4, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
days through the Republican convention and not a single word about issue # 1, the ECONOMY. Not one word from the keynote speaker, not a word from the VP candidate. All they know how to do is hurl insults. republicans are more concerned with winning elections than goevrning. They say never mind about the disaster of the last 8 years, vote for McCain because she was a POW. Never mind her draconian, insane stance on women’s rights, vote Palin because she is female. This is a pathetic party that is quickly pushing itself into irrelevance. Sooner or later Palin will have to face that devil liberal press. we’ll see how she holds up without the speech Bush’s speech-writer wrote for her.
Posted by: Kevin | September 4, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
My question for the Mcfool followers. What will they do for Americans??? They try to scare everyone as if Obama will not protect us. McDumb says he know how to win wars. What was has he won??? Bin Laden sent minions to this country and killed 3,000 of our brothers an sisters. When it came time to protect America, Bush, Cheney and McCain decided it was best to attack someone who had nothing to do with it. How is that protecting us? How is that following Bin Laden to the “gates of hell”??? He’s in NW Pakistan/Afghanistan. Look there first. That’s cowardice if you ask me. If someone punches you in the mouth, would you go after them or someone standing off to the side? That’s what this administration did with McCains support. How do they explain that? They’re cowards with no sense of duty or honor to those who died on that tragic day.
Posted by: Craig | September 4, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
So, ABC didn’t like my post and they took it off? Isn’t that called censorship? Another thing to look forward to in a McCain/Palin administration…
Posted by: 59 year old white woman obama supporter | September 4, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Joe Biden is a statesman who can call almost every country’s leader around the world and have a direct dialogue with because he has met them. He has been a champion on behalf of women in the United States for writing and getting passed the law for prosecuting domestic violence against women and the legislation to put 100,000 new police on the streets of the US. For these petty attacks from a woefully unqualified neopphyte to attack him and Senator Obama is pure political theater written by a very good speechwriter. For the last three years, Barack Obama has been vetted by the American people. Through over twenty debates, through every vicious attack, some warts, yes, some worries yes. but there is a true sense of hope and future planning instead of staus quo that cannot continue. Let Govenor Palin’s vetting proccess begin now and see where it leads.
Posted by: Frank | September 4, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am
PALIN WORE AN ALASKA FIRST PIN. WHATS WRONG WITH THE AMERICAN FLAG PIN?
Posted by: vet watching | September 4, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am
Uggghhh lord knows I am not a big Obama fan, but I thew up a little yesterday watching this. There was no inspiring message about how to lift yourself up. It was all fire and brimestone, the republicans truly looked like the devil.
Posted by: rachel | September 4, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Please someone help me out to verify the fect that when Mr. Biden ran for USA president twice and he’s got what, less amount of votes than what Sarah got when she ran for the Mayor of a small and unknown town. Shame on you Mr. Biden! Show American people that you have cojones not the otherway around.
Posted by: mtr2311 | September 4, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
I consider myself and Independent voter who votes for candidates not parties. I supported Hillary Clinton 100%, but have tried to keep an open mind about both presidential candidates.THANK YOU SARAH PALIN — YOU’VE MADE MY CHOICE SO MUCH EASIER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: heidi | September 4, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
Let the vetting begin!!!
Insane McCain/Secession Sarah ’08!
Posted by: firedup | September 4, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
The thought of hearing that screechy voice for the next 2 months is too much!I can’t wait for that country bumpkin to talk about foreign policy with Joe Biden. No doubt she will dish out the sarcasm and when it’s time for her to take a punch she’ll turn into the victimized woman who is being disrespected.
Posted by: Ex Republican | September 4, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
Republicans should lose for the mess they have created. Of course Obama and the dems will just add to the mess. Eventually the country will be either smart enough or desperate enough for real change. Ron Paul.
Posted by: Ben Straub | September 4, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Guilliani has to be the slimiest politician on the planet. How much fame and money has that snake gotten from the worst attack on American soil. He is too elitist to have a relationship with his own son. I wonder when he is going to dump his current wife for another bimbo?
Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Nobody is listening to the snooty, sneering Libs.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Lib blood is in the water.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Funny Americans….so the election is about a childish ranting women…about Republicans attack? …Name Calling….not about issues anymore!!Gooduck if you believe 8yrs lesson is nothing……other countries are moving on!
Posted by: Barry | September 4, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
==Funny Americans….so the election is about a childish ranting women…about Republicans attack? …Name Calling….not about issues anymore!!Gooduck if you believe 8yrs lesson is nothing……other countries are moving on!==
Without our money, we hope.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Sarah is an insult to women. She cries sexism everytime a little tidbit is dug up on her. Her speech was written by someone else for her to give. She is not an original or a maverick. She is a unqualified woman trying to fill the void on a horrible Republican ticket. Nice try McCain this country isn’t as stupid as you hoped!
Posted by: Hippiemom | September 4, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
How does 5 years in a prison cell make you ready to be president? Everybody knows McCain has anger issues. Do you think 5 years of imprisonment and torture screwed his head up? Do we really want someone who might has some sort of post traumatic mental illness running our country and especially our military?
Posted by: John | September 4, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
==so the election is about a childish ranting women…about Republicans attack? …Name Calling….not about issues anymore!!==
Nobody is listening to Libs, except to take what Libs say as confirmation of Conservative values.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
==How does 5 years in a prison cell make you ready to be president?==
You don’t know, and THAT’s the problem.
== Everybody knows McCain has anger issues.==
Oh, well.
== Do you think 5 years of imprisonment and torture screwed his head up?==
No.
== Do we really want someone who might has some sort of post traumatic mental illness running our country and especially our military?==
Do we wanna listen to somebody like you who may have mental problems?
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Whenever Joe Biden says he was impressed and that he is worried about his competency, watch out. He thinks this woman is toast. Hope he doesn’t get to over confident.
Posted by: Chuck | September 4, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
==Sarah is an insult to women.==
Lib women.
== Her speech was written by someone else for her to give.==
They all are.
== She is not an original or a maverick.==
Oh, well.
== She is a unqualified woman…==
A Lib would say that, when threatened.
==… trying to fill the void on a horrible Republican ticket.==
We don’t expect a rabid Lib to like the GOP tix. That’s ok cuz we don’t need you. We got Sarah “Baracuda”!
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Dems new strategy is to tag Sarah Palin with Bush. They didn’t succeed with McCain because everyone knows they hate eachother, so now they says it about Palin. I saw her speech, and I don’t think she looked like Bush one bit. Obama is the charming IVY-league bubler of words in the crowd running for office.
Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | September 4, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
is it just me or have the GOP become exactly what they joked about obama
empty speaches, no experience, no substance…
the whole gop convention ahs not mentioned any plans…
its only attack attack attack… with no substance
talk about empty suit…
packed with lies! how many bald faced lies did she tell last night?
the bridge to nowhere? uhmmmmmm you supported that governor…
“if the democrats become elected we will all die!”
“we are in trouble in the economy because of the democrats… shhh nevermind the last 7 years we were in power”
oh and sara palin could have never got as many votes for mayor as biden got for president…. not even if she won 100% fo the vote, it would take 2 election cycles in her small town
my god this is a joke
Posted by: Bhrandon | September 4, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
That was the most sarcastic and downright nasty political convention I’ve ever seen. I still can’t figure out what the republicans are for… but I get the message that they have no respect for Obama. Underestimate Obama at your own peril, fools.
Palin proved she can act as tough as Bush and read Rove’s teleprompter. Big deal. There are hundreds of thousands of women who could do that. Why would I be impressed?
Student council? Maybe.
VP? Not gonna happen.
Posted by: mgks | September 4, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Sarah was/is Fantasic! She is someone who this country can look up to. The McCain-Palin ticket will make sure the middle class and healthcare are in the priorities. That is why she brought up her youngest child.
Go McCain-Palin!!!!!!! Problem solvers!
Posted by: lyle | September 4, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Sarah “Baracuda”: Sounds like a real American, to me.
The problem isn’t that conservatism is too strong in this country; it isn’t strong enough…until last evening, that is. Americans WANT Conservative, and they’re showing it.
Angry white males, just like ’94, are chomping at the bit, and we’re taking this country back this November!
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Pnader! Where was he when the same crap was happening to Hillary. He could care less. He know there are in for a fight now & that the sexist crap has pi**ed a lot of women off! Biden needs to go to ancestry.com & find his roots because what he is pedaling as blue-collar doesn’t look very blue to me!
Hillary 2012
Posted by: rockthebleachers | September 4, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Lib detractors against Palin don’t have an audience, and their remarks go only to energize Republicans and independents who felt that they had nowhere to go.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Chuck,
I couldn’t agree more. That’s very uncharacteristic of Joe Biden. Man, the Obama team must have done a good job reigning this champion. Although I love the new and disciplined Joe, I must say his maverick style is what attracted me to him. Like you I hope he does not get over confident.
Posted by: D | September 4, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Mr. Incredible, can you do anything other than call people liberals?
I think given the past 8 years, I think “conservative” might be the new bad word.
Posted by: Mr. Super-incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
==Hillary 2012==
Palin will run in ’12, and she will smack Hil down.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
2000, 2004, 2008, Rove, Limbaugh, Bush- Cheney, McCain-Palin.
By order of importance and influence.
Posted by: Thinking | September 4, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Not trying to burst any bubbles, but Biden “the Statesman” is a bit of a stretch. Mr Biden has a history of plagiarizing – from his university days, law school and even in public political forums where he out right, without even changing a word or two, used a British politian’s (Neal Kinnock) speech during a 1987 campaign speech. Biden initially denied any wrongdoing, claiming that this was just an inadvertent lack of acknowledgement. Yet there were other instances of rhetorical borrowing from speeches made by Robert F. Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey. And the fact that Biden had given other speeches using the Kinnock passages without acknowledgment suggested that the lifting was more than just an inadvertent oversight. Is he really the Statesman we want near the White House?
Posted by: NOLA56 | September 4, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Sometimes a good offense is a good defence. I see the strategy Mr. Biden and I hope it works. Focus on what’s important but be careful, even a dog on a chain can bite if you don’t keep a wary eye on it.
Posted by: James | September 4, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
==Mr. Incredible, can you do anything other than call people liberals?==
You must be embarassed to be Lib. Gee, that’s tough.
==I think given the past 8 years, I think “conservative” might be the new bad word.==
While you are concentrating on the past eight years, we are concentrating on the next eight years. Sarah “Baracuda” is the future, and it is bright. Right now, the rabid Lib of O and B isn’t lookin’ too good, thanks to “Baracuda.”
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
As an independent, I’m looking for what these people are going to do.
What I saw last night reminded me of the first GW Bush convention.
I hate to say it, but the republican party created the economic and foreign policy mess we’re in today. The debt has EXPLODED and I don’t see any sign that they get it. McCain has toed the line with Bush for 8 years. Maverick? Who are you kidding? We need policy.
Palin can attack Obama all night long if she wants, but frankly I’m sick of that ole GOP viscous personal attack game. Look where it got us.
Posted by: will | September 4, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Working Title: High School Musical, Palin Plain and Evil or Palin the Impaler?
Why does she remind me of a popular teenage cheerleader, the one who bullies smart kids but later ask them to help her cheat on a test? Fine, she can succesfully rally her base, that’s how she became governor but in light of this speech, she’s just a bitter woman who’s been rode hard and put away wet. Putting lipstick on any pit bull doesn’t make them any safer. They are still a threat to the neighborhood.
Posted by: William | September 4, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
For the jerk above who would not do some research, let me educate you a little. Joe Biden got almost 80000 votes this primary alone. That’s about 9 times the population of her town. She would have had to get 100% of the vote for nine years in order to get as many votes as he got during this primary. Are we really that dumb?
Posted by: D | September 4, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
The “Baracuda” is in the water and she smells blood!
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Oh no! Rove! Well Joe, if he did write it I assume he gave her permission to do it. Taking someone elses work and making it your own isn’t nice.
Posted by: david | September 4, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
I’d like all of you who state that McCain/Palin are problem solvers to give examples. Because in the past week of the RNC, not one specific example of resolution has been put forth. It’s obvious to me, and indeed, any rational person, that those of you who are convinced McCain and Palin are problem solvers are going strictly on an emotional viewpoint, as they have yet to submit any solutions to the issues that plague us today. Watch Campbell Brown’s interview of Tucker Bounds if you want confirmation of Palin’s “abilities”. It’s hilarious.
Posted by: Anie | September 4, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
==Are we really that dumb?==
Well, yes, Libs are.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
I think Obahma doesn’t knwo where the hole in his ass is!
Posted by: diana | September 4, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Republicans Message = we will all die and be tortured if the democrats get the white house, and the economy and jobs will all evaporate and america will die in fire and brimstone
Democrats Message = If we all band together and work hard for our dreams the american people can change how america is and make it work for them, restore america, restore americas image, restore americas greatness
i mean, its like night and day with these people….
guess whos been in charge for the last 8 years… the republicans!
oh but but but the congress has been democratic for the last two years…
ok so you guys can F things up for 6 years and we have to reverse all those 6 in 2…. oh but, wait, you have to do it with a president who vetos everything coming across his desk and a congress that isnt a phillabuster
i mean what ajoke… thanks but not thanks mcsame and lamelin
oh hey paylin what experience do you have again?
community organizer… obviously you dont know what a community organizer is, its someone who organizes people who feel their government is overlooking them…
which is what you republicans are still doing… not one word about how they will change what is going on…
oh wait… im sorry they will drill everywhere… ok there now we know the platform drill drill drill drill drill
ohhhh teh evil oil companies… but not that evil because we still want to drill drill drill drill
Posted by: Bhrandon | September 4, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
that was soooo cute
bunch of ballface lies
but cute.
Posted by: Omentum | September 4, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
==frankly I’m sick of that ole GOP viscous personal attack game.==
So what? You weren’t gonna vote Republican anyway.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
SHE NEVER MENTIONED HEALTH CARE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
SHE MENTIONED NOTHING… if anything they said americans need to figure out how to pick themselves up… you are all a bunch of whiners we made it why cant you
thanks but not tahnks rethugs
Posted by: Bhrandon | September 4, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
It is not very difficult to blurt out a speech written by some backstage attack dogs. The difficulty is ahead when Palin faces the media and get drilled on her knowledge of real world politics that are far different from those of Alaska. She called herself a lipstck wearing pit bull. What do you call a she pit bull. I think the gloves may have come off with her shreiky speech. It was difficult to hear her voice for more than a few seconds. McCain-Pa(l)in.
Posted by: BeeVee | September 4, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
some are comparing her to reagan…. give me a freakin break
keep pumping her up and she will pop.
Posted by: Omentum | September 4, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
It is not very difficult to blurt out a speech written by some backstage attack dogs. The difficulty is ahead when Palin faces the media and get drilled on her knowledge of real world politics that are far different from those of Alaska. She called herself a lipstck wearing pit bull. What do you call a she pit bull. I think the gloves may have come off with her shreiky speech. It was difficult to hear her voice for more than a few seconds. McCain-Pa(l)in.
Posted by: BeeVee | September 4, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
D = misinformed
Biden got all of about 9300 votes in the 3 primaries he was in. Still more than the town that she was mayor but not more than her state!
Posted by: rockthebleachers | September 4, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Don’t let these Libs tell you that you need affordable healthcare, or that you need good paying jobs, or you need a better education! And who really gives a crap what the rest of the world thinks about us! I sure as heck don’t.
Vote McCain/Palin!!
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
First time in my life I will be skipping an election. All of the chosen candidates are not what we need. I’m out….
Posted by: XJSCAVE | September 4, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
I had trouble with the lies about taxes. The fact is that Bush has given tax breaks to the extremely wealthy at the expense of the middle class. Obama says he will cut…CUT…C…U…T taxes for 70% of Americans. I’m pretty sure I fit into the 70th percentile. How about you? Meanwhile the republicans have borrowed over a trillion dollars from China to pay for the disaster in Iraq (that McCain voted for) knowing full well that it will be paid by our grandkids. And the whole drill here now spin…that’s got big oil written all over it and what does it do to lessen our dependence on oil? Why do so many people vote against their own self interests? It seems so sad to me, the sheer ignorance of these people. They see some small town woman standing proud…all I see is a snake oil saleman. Can we servive ANOTHER 4 years of this republican insanity?
Posted by: MaxMax | September 4, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
What she had was nothing more than lies and ranting. After King George.. we really need someone who is under investigation for abuse of power. The Dems offered solutions. The Republicans offered ranting and jokes. Way to go.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
To Rachel (the post at 9:14:08 am)
Biden did get more votes during the primary than Palin did running for Mayor. Palin received 616 votes in 1996 and 909 in 1999. Biden received 76,165 votes in the 2008 primaries. This is according to Jim Kuhnhenn, political reporter for the Associated Press. Next time Rachel, wait for the answer to your question before you go off on Biden or anyone else for that matter.
Posted by: JW | September 4, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
FACT: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired lobbyists to bring in millions in federal earmarks and ran up a massive debt. She was almost recalled.
FACT: She supported the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. What you heard last night was a flat-out Rovian LIE.
FACT: As governor for about 18 months, she is the subject of a massive ethics investigation.
FACT: Palin has ZERO foreign policy background, a scary thought considering McCain is 72 and constantly battling cancer. She’s only been out of the country once!
Look. Seems like a great lady. The kind of person it’d be fun to have a beer with. Just like Bush. But let’s not make that mistake again. We need leaders with a bold vision of the future and a plan for how to get there.
OBAMA-BIDEN 2008
Posted by: mgks | September 4, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
==It is not very difficult to blurt out a speech written by some backstage attack dogs.==
All these speeches are written by somebody else.
The Lib vote is a known quantity; we already know they won’t vote Republican. So, what they say is irrelevant.
Let the dogs bark. The train rolls on!
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
To Mr. Incredible
Gosh, good to see you join those staunch defenders of feminism, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, and Bill O’Rielly in the past 4-5 days. Wow. The republicans are the new Gloria Steinem. Will wonders never cease…..
Posted by: hh | September 4, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Rachel,
To your question about verifying whether Sarah P. got more votes as mayor than Joe B. did in the Democratic Primaries, the answer is no–he got more than she did in South Carolina alone. But so what? It’s an irrelevant metric. As McCain’s manager said, they’re not running on the issues, they’re running on personalities. And the best way to do that is through commercials and speeches–and to keep your candidate as far from the press as you can. Rove excels as image-making. Look where it’s gotten us.
Posted by: Peter | September 4, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
==What she had was nothing more than lies and ranting.==
That’s what the Lib machine is telling you to say. Nobody is listening.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
NOLA56:
Your Biden “News” is so old that everyone has heard it long ago. Beating a dead horse doesn’t do much good. Besides the whole episode was a swiftboating by the Dukakis campaign at the time.
However, if you want to go after old history from the ’80′s then let’s talk about McCain and the Keating 5, and the Savings and Loan debacle! Then you see which is worse.
Posted by: Donna Hughes | September 4, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
As part of his “Tax Fairness for the Middle Class” plan, Barack Obama is in favor of nearly doubling the capital-gains tax rate from 15 percent to 28 percent.
Under Obama’s plan to let the scheduled 2011 tax rate hikes occur, and his plan to raise the self-employment tax on those making more than $250,000, the S corporation rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent. The sole proprietor and partner rate would rise from 37.9 percent all the way up to a staggering 50.3 percent. Many Democrats in Congress have proposed making all small businesses (including S corporations) pay this 50-plus percent rate. A small business tax rate that high would be the highest marginal rate faced by them in nearly a quarter-century.
Posted by: rockthebleachers | September 4, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
“All these speeches are written by somebody else.” – Mr. Incredibly dumb
FACT: Obama wrote the entirety of his acceptance speech by himself.
I’d love to see McCain, Mr. 5th from the bottom of his graduating class… even write a complete sentence.
Posted by: Blake | September 4, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Wow, all of you “thank you Sarah!” etc. posters… you do realize her speech was written and prepared BEFORE she was even selected as McCain’s VP, right? It was edited by McCain’s campaign the last few days. So you’re all swayed by and ready to give up your vote to a woman reading a teleprompter who is nowhere near qualified to be one heartbeat away from the presidency? I fear for this country…
Posted by: John | September 4, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Mr. Incredible,
You seem to be having fun supporting your candidate, and it’s something I could live with. People like you can make for a fun conversation. What I despise is the vitriolic rants coming from irrational individuals. After the last 8 years, you might want to reconsider using the word “lib” as an insult. Not that I believed people should’ve run away from it in the first place, but I don’t see it being a disadvantage being labeled a liberal.
Posted by: D | September 4, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
xjscave
press the little “x” in the upper left of your screen and have a nice day
Posted by: Omentum | September 4, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
xjscave
maybe its on the upper right on your screen.
but at any rate
byebye
Posted by: Omentum | September 4, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
I could not bear her shreiky voice for more than a few seconds. It is not difficult to blurt out a speech written by backstage attack dogs. Ms.Pa(l)n has to face the media drilling in days to come that will put her knowledge of world political situation and her grasp of things to test. I wonder what will this lipstick wearing pit bull do then. Attack them?
Posted by: BeeVee | September 4, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
==To Mr. Incredible
Gosh, good to see you join those staunch defenders of feminism, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, and Bill O’Rielly in the past 4-5 days. Wow. The republicans are the new Gloria Steinem. Will wonders never cease…..==
“Baracuda” has the right and correct qualities for the country. Has nothing to do with feminism.
You people are threatened by a strong, intelligent, Conservative woman who just happens to be great-looking, too.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
== …I don’t see it being a disadvantage being labeled a liberal.==
Then, you don’t have a problem with my using it. Good, cuz I’m not gonna stop using it.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
==I could not bear her shreiky voice for more than a few seconds.==
So what?
== It is not difficult to blurt out a speech written by backstage attack dogs.==
All those speeches are written by others. So what?
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
I think Mr.Incredible probably has his own little happy time looking at photos of that “strong, intelligent, Conservative woman who just happens to be great-looking, too.”
Posted by: tubesock | September 4, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
When people find out that Ms. Palin has been nursing at the earmark laden breast of Washington for her entire political career, some daylight may shine on her “change” theme, as well as her speech (“I told Washington, No Thanks.”). The fact is, while the “bridge to nowhere” hasn’t been built, Alaska (Palin) still took and has the money. So all you Republic Party followers, be careful because the truth soon comes home to roost!
Posted by: Thinking Tennessean | September 4, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
==…you do realize her speech was written and prepared BEFORE she was even selected as McCain’s VP, right? It was edited by McCain’s campaign the last few days. So you’re all swayed by and ready to give up your vote to a woman reading a teleprompter who is nowhere near qualified to be one heartbeat away from the presidency? I fear for this country…==
You felt that way before her speech. So, so what?
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
==I think Mr.Incredible probably has his own little happy time looking at photos of that “strong, intelligent, Conservative woman who just happens to be great-looking, too.”==
Typical Lib response. Nobody is listening to Libs.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Mr. Incredible
LMFAO…..what a cartoon you are…..
I can just imagine your comeback
“thats what you are but what am I?”
Have fun wasting your day. goodbye.
Posted by: hh | September 4, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
I understand better why Sarah believes that she is up for the VEEP job. One foreign trip to a Chinese restaurant in Ohio made her an expert in foreign affairs. A mayor of a town with more bears than humans made her an expert in job creation and fiscal responsibility. A mom of a pregnant teenager who practiced abstinence made her an expert in family issue. A membership with a party that is pushing for Alaska to seccede made her an expert in political reform. AND no experience at all in issues that matter made her the perfect outsider who is going to help McCain understand the fundamentals of a strong economy. What a joke!
Posted by: Chrissy | September 4, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Mr.Incredible,
We know you have a crush on secession Sarah, and you won’t to make conservative whoopie with her… but please, give us some substance.
Tell me why you think she’s a strong leader? What has she accomplished? Is there is anything… or are you just supporting her with your second, smaller, brain?
Posted by: obvious | September 4, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
==Ms.Pa(l)n has to face the media drilling in days to come that will put her knowledge of world political situation and her grasp of things to test. I wonder what will this lipstick wearing pit bull do then. Attack them?==
You people were expecting her to stumble and fall last night.
This morning, you are worried cuz she didn’t. You people are wounded and crying about it, too.
So, in those news conferences, your expectations will be stomped on again and again.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
I think Mr. Incredible wrote Sarah’s speech last night. Please note the similar rhetoric,
Lib,
Media,
Who Cares,
Machine,
Nobody is listening.
In the Republican language book (next the creationism science book on the shelf), these selections are considered action verbs. How Incredibly predictable.
I live in McCain’s state, and in that time I have failed to know of anything that he has done for his own.
As far as Barack and his volunteer grass roots that Palin feels carry no merit. Please remember the Susan B. Anthony was a volunteer, please remember that people rebuilding New Orleans are volunteers, please remember that our soldiers fighting this war in Irag are volunteers. Sounds like a lot of responsibility to me.
Posted by: William | September 4, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
200,000 Berlins chanting for BO is enough for me to go vote Republican! When you go looking for adulation from them instead of visiting our wounded soldiers you are nothing but a narcisstic di*k!
Palin may have only made one trip but she got it right & visited and supported the troops. Just because we don’t want them there does not mean you neglect them and show up your only time to vote & then vote “no” to support them!!
Posted by: rockthebleachers | September 4, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Keep it vague. Pack it with tricky little zingers that don’t actually say anything. And throw some red meat to the partisans. And nevermind the facts.
Gosh… she is like George W. Bush.
And, in fact, they are saying the same things about her that they said about Bush: She’s “new,” “the future,” “a rebel,” etc. It doesn’t give me confidence.
Especially when you look at who is clapping for her: the GOP insiders who have run this country from the White House for the last 8 years!!!!
Posted by: blip | September 4, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Get a clue!!! He is the one that pushed off her being a mayor of samll town as meaningless. It was an elected office with responsiblities! He has been elected to nothing that has made him responsible for anything other than his own campaign to run for the next office.
Posted by: rockthebleachers | September 4, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
==Mr.Incredible,
We know you have a crush on secession Sarah…==
A political crush, yes. Absolutely.
Her secessionist views, if any today, are aimed only at making, for the record, what Alaska voters could not do when Alaska became a state. It has nothing to do with seceding today.
==…and you won’t to make conservative whoopie with her… ==
All of us are making Conservative “whoopie” with her. Thursday morning whoopie.
==…but please, give us some substance.==
First of all, you people aren’t interested in Conservative substance. You weren’t before last night, and you aren’t now.
==Tell me why you think she’s a strong leader?==
It’s already been said. I agree with what has been said.
==What has she accomplished?==
Already said.
== Is there is anything… ===
Yes.
==…or are you just supporting her with your second, smaller, brain?==
I support her with my 133 IQ brain, thanks.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
As a working woman who went back full time when my son was 8 weeks old. I am insulted that the press or anyone else has the b$lls to says she can not be VP because her kids need her at home!
I was an RN working as a Nursing Administrator and decided to go back to school to get my MSN and now work as a Nurse Practitoner, all while working full time with 2 part time jobs and gasp… while my son was in school and as a single parent(he was 7 yrs old when his father and I split). My son is now 24,last year of law school,never in trouble and an honor student(ps.. same law school as Joe Biden). My son was honored I worked and went to school. Once saying to me when things got tough in high school “I told my friends my mom understands what I am going through because she is in school also”
Look it will not be easy for either Palin or Obama.If Obama becomes President how much quality time will he spend with his kids? “Oh but being a VP is so important how can she do it all?” Look the bottom line is you do what you have to do and surprise… life is full of ups and downs. “But she may have to be President if McCain dies can a woman do it, with no experience? please…. how about Margaret Thatcher, or does England not count? Isn’t the Prime Minister of Germany and the Phillipines a woman?
Nobody is ready to be President. But I have a feeling Palin does not take sh#t from anyone or she would not be where is is today.
By the way my son is for Obama , I was for Hillary. Made for some great discussions in my house!
Posted by: cissy55 | September 4, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
==I think Mr. Incredible wrote Sarah’s speech last night. Please note the similar rhetoric…==
She said what I think.
Libs are very worried. VERY worried. EXCELLENT!
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
I love Democrats!!! I love Republicans!!! We all want the same thing… good jobs, health, a home, and security. People need to start actually looking at McCain & Obama’s plans if they want to make an informed decision.
Its time for Republican voters to stop shooting themselves in the foot and look at the issues and its time for Democratic voters to stop mocking people who disagree with them and start working to progress the good causes they believe in.
Posted by: Blake | September 4, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Americans, you should learn some lessons after 8 years of the Republicans in the office.
Posted by: Hope | September 4, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Libs are a known factor, quantity.
The unknown factor, quantity — as far as Libs is concerned — is the Repbulican and evangelical force that is waiting to come out the woodwork in November, having been switched to the “on” position by “Baracuda.”
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Yes Hope, we should learn a lesson after 8 years but the only Dem ready for the job is Hillary. So, where does that lead me now knowing that BO is a piece of crap and has done nothing of substance for anyone but himself?
They day McCain is the 3rd Dem.
Hillary 2012.
Posted by: rockthebleachers | September 4, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
What can you say about the Republican ticket.
It really sounds like it’s coming together.
Obama could have been standing tall with Senator Clinton, but instead chose to allow McCain to stand tall next to Governor Palin.
Obama will not win the women this election.
Obama wanted to hog the spotlight.
Now we need a flashlight to find his act.
Obama who?
Go Democrats for McCain!
Posted by: Al from NJ | September 4, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
==Americans, you should learn some lessons after 8 years of the Republicans in the office.==
Foreigners have no business telling me how to think about candidates in my election.
McCain/Palin is gonna win, maybe in a landslide cuz the American People want Conservative, not Lib, and the world is gonna get used to it, or, like you, keep crabbin’ about it, and I don’t care whether you people crab about it.
If you don’t like our politics, don’t take our money.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Being a woman and a feminist, the latter for more than 40 years, I should like to point out that a strong and intelligent woman might have something to point to other than being a hockey-mom. Being a mother is better than than, better than pointing to a weak stereo-type. She compared herself to a pit bull, with lipstick.
There is subconscious inference there… a dog is a dog. Thank you. Woof. Lipstick is a product designed to be applied to the lips to enhance their color and texture to further enhance the wearer’s image and attractiveness to viewers. So she’s a submissive creature, but one that wants to be attractive. That’s not the role model I want for my daughters.
There are many strong and powerful women who have opinions and parent successfully, but do not rely on their gender and the trappings there of (lipstick, pretty princess waves, pseudo anti feminism) to gain points in society.
McCain did not pick any of them. He picked a lady who can stand up like Miss Congeniality and call names with a smile.
Obama won his primary by talking about what he would do, how we could all it together. How we could envision a brighter future and work together to make it happen. He didn’t win by going… “I’m black. I’m a very nice black. You can’t say nothing mean about me, cuz I’m a black.” He is a human being with an idea and that’s what he ran on .
Palin is saying, “I’m a religious conservative. I have such a great education, that I’m not really going to mention it to you, but man, I played a great game of basketball in high school! Oh, did I mention my husband works for oil companies and he’s a CHAMPION snow machine racer! OH yeah! I fire my underlings if they don’t fire my ex-family members! What’s being governor, if I can’t get my way! Ethics are what I feel they are! I wrote Ethics reform, after all, so I’m right! I supported abstinence training! That whole thing about human beings actually liking to have sex on some instinctive level… that’s liberal propaganda! Just tell the kids not to.. they’ll understand. My kid is pregnant, but don’t worry, she’s gonna marry the daddy and everything will be good!”
I’ll tell you what.. if she was a man.. they’d be all over that, all over both those things. But! Now that she’s a woman, we ignore those things?
Is that the role we want for women? Get pregnant young, get married, do what you’re told?
Children are a great blessing. They were in my life, the very best thing that ever happened to me. I have two daughters. I want them to have safe sex when they chose to. I want them to have children, when they chose to. I want them to make their lives as they want them.
So… my kids kept that virginity thing until they were in their twenties. College, dreams, working towards what they wanted to do with their lives. My older daughter is doing City Year soon.
You know what I told my kids when they got near the right age… “Here are the risks, here are the benefits, this is what you can do to protect yourself.” It wasn’t some huge scary secret thing that you had to wait for some magic anointment of the marriage gods for.
I want a role model that talks about truth, working together, honesty, and democracy, not ‘oil’arcy that we have now.
Nix
Obama/Biden ’08
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
The republicans had 8 years to demonstrate leadership. They had total control of the White House, and Congress. And what did we get?
We got F*&^%d. And these same dumba$$s that voted for Bush are grearing up to F%$# us again.
If you are a millionare oil exec, military supplier, pharmaceutical ceo, McCain is your man. For the rest of us, it’s Obama. Vote Democrat! The a$$ you save may be your own.
Posted by: MaxMax | September 4, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
==She compared herself to a pit bull, with lipstick.==
She was calling attention to her tenacity. She has it. Libs don’t like that she does. That’s too bad cuz I don’t care whether they do, or don’t.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Mr. Incredible,
Stop talking. Don’t tell me to vote for Palin if you can’t even tell me why. We’ve been trying to get a real answer out of you and you’ve done nothing but say “its already been said”. NO, it hasn’t been said. And if it has… say it again because its starting to look like this whole Palin thing is just theatrical propaganda.
I am a swing voter, but people like you do not help the Republican cause.
If you have something of real substance about Sarah Palin that could give more credibility to her candidacy other than the vague robust answer that she is a “strong, conservative woman with ‘executive’ experience”. Tell me what she has done with the executive position she’s had.
Posted by: Jerry | September 4, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Mr. Incredible,
Once upon a time, it took months to travel by little wooden ship between Europe and the New World.
Now… information is faster than you can walk from one side of the ship to the other.
They’re not taking our money anymore, Sir. The dollar is worth much less.
Vote McCain/Palin so we can all see what being a third world country is like, up close and personal. Besides, whe haven’t lost enough life yet, haven’t blown up enough building.
Do you really think that abridging the constitution and bleeding out in Iraq is helping anyone except Al-Qaeda?
The first George Bush was a conservative. He didn’t go into Iraq. He told his son not to go into Iraq. W and McCain are not conservatives. They are tax breaks for the rich, misery for the poor (like everyone else, because there is no middle class soon), and spend on war. Spend and war.
In America, our bridges fall, our jobs go out of country, our money goes to China, our civil rights are history, but by goodness, we’ve kept those gays from marrying and kept women from having choices.
The rest of the world has an opinion because when we ruin ourselves, we’re harming them too.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
==Mr. Incredible,
Stop talking.==
No.
Now what?
== Don’t tell me to vote for Palin if you can’t even tell me why.==
I’m not telling you to vote for her. Don’t. You weren’t gonna vote for her anyway. So, nothing lost.
== We’ve been trying to get a real answer out of you…==
Translation: “We want to bog you down in argument cuz we ain’t gonna agree with you anyway.”
==… and you’ve done nothing but say “its already been said”.==
That’s cuz I can’t add anything to what has already been explain to you by McCain, “Baracuda” and others. Their explanations are very adequate.
== NO, it hasn’t been said.==
Not to YOUR satisfaction, anyway.
== And if it has… say it again because its starting to look like this whole Palin thing is just theatrical propaganda.==
You were persuaded of that before last night.
==I am a swing voter, but people like you do not help the Republican cause.==
Oh, well. Then, you shouldn’t be relying on me, rather on those who have already explained it to you.
==If you have something of real substance about Sarah Palin that could give more credibility to her candidacy other than the vague robust answer that she is a “strong, conservative woman with ‘executive’ experience”. Tell me what she has done with the executive position she’s had.==
That has already been ‘splained to you.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Palin = George Bush republican
more of the same, hate and fear
Posted by: concerned parent | September 4, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
If I wanted to say I was tenacious…. I’d wonder why I was talking about myself.. when there’s so many more important ideas that need to be talked about in such a short time.
But then… the republicans are very close to saying, “Let them eat cake.”
For any that may not know… the story goes like this… The people of Paris were starving… there was no bread, no flour for bread, no money to buy bread.
When Marie Antoinette was told this… This poor little princess who had no real experience said, thought about it and said.. “Then let them eat cake.”
The Republicans seem to think that if education is hard to get, that if health care is ruinous to pay for, that if our homes are taken from us, that all we need to do is … eat cake. After all, Cindy’s family could just find that spare 10,000 dollars to start their business and they came from NOTHING.
Somehow, I think people in New Orleans and around this country might think that nothing is a little more intense than only being able to raise 10,000 dollars.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Ordinarily I’d agree that the family and especially the kids are off-limits in political campaigns.
But I’ve seen Sarah Palin deliver (read? give voice to? parrot?) two “speeches” now, at last Friday’s announcement of her selection and at the RNC last night. And in both cases the “first dude” and the passle of kids (last night with the “baby daddy” added for extra spice) are paraded out and shoved in our faces.
Frankly, if the Republicans feel they need the family to sell Sarah Palin to us, then the whole family — husband, kids, in-laws-to-be, lock, stock and barrel — are ALL FAIR GAME FOR COMMENT.
The Republicans opened this door. They can’t close it any time they want to.
Posted by: Paul C | September 4, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Mr Incredible is incredibly funny…
Unfortunately it’s not the deliberate kind of humor.
If I were the competitive guy his party loves so much I’d say: McCain/Palin – for it would eventually and for a long time end the US being a super power.
For my American friends, for human values and for the sake of the great American people who helped freeing my country from faschism: I hope reason will win this time.
Posted by: Vokoban | September 4, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
==They’re not taking our money anymore, Sir. The dollar is worth much less.==
Irrelevant. They’re taking our aid. Hypocrites.
==Vote McCain/Palin so we can all see what being a third world country is like, up close and personal.==
That’s old propaganda.
==Besides, whe haven’t lost enough life yet, haven’t blown up enough building.==
Are you al-Qaida public relations?
==Do you really think that abridging the constitution and bleeding out in Iraq is helping anyone except Al-Qaeda?==
Do you think that our being involved in WWII, for example, helped the Germans?
==The first George Bush was a conservative. He didn’t go into Iraq.==
A mistake, as we now see.
== He told his son not to go into Iraq.==
Had he listened to his father, you would have complaining that he is leting his father run the country.
== W and McCain are not conservatives.==
They are conservative enough for me to wanna stop a Dem from winning.
==They are tax breaks for the rich…==
The ones who make jobs.
==… misery for the poor…==
Who want a handout.
==.. and spend on war.==
Somebody has to stand up in the world community.
==In America…our civil rights are history…==
No, they’re not.
==… but by goodness, we’ve kept those gays from marrying…==
Everybody is either male, or female.
Those who claim to be homosexual are either male, or female. Nothing stops them from marrying those of the opposite sex who claim also to be homosexual.
==… and kept women from having choices. ==
Nobody has stopped anybody from choosing.
==The rest of the world has an opinion because when we ruin ourselves, we’re harming them too. ==
Tough.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
I think you Americans are crazy….
Posted by: Srini | September 4, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
*claps for Paul C!*
It’s not like the Republicans won’t have something to say about Obama’s family or Mr. Biden’s either.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
To Srini…
Well :) of course, but maybe we’ll be less crazy soon.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
==Palin = George Bush republican
more of the same, hate and fear==
Take a look at the comments on blogs, and you’ll see that the hate and fear come from the Left nuts.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
==I think you Americans are crazy….==
I don’t care what you think.
Mind your own third world business.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
You fools in the Third World got plenty on your plates to keep you busy for a very long time. You don’t need to be gettin’ all up in our business up in here.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
After last night, it’s clear that the Left is the problem.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
“You fools in the Third World got plenty on your plates to keep you busy for a very long time. You don’t need to be gettin’ all up in our business up in here.”
You’re right: All the stuff the world produces and sells to the USA is produced by 3rd world countries. Computers, TV sets, High Tech Machinery, German cars…
And the worst thing: they have the guts to demand PAYMENT!
What a bunch of parasites…
Posted by: Vokoban | September 4, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Palin’s speech was hysterical. The woman is obviuosly a wacko. She has such little intelligence about the issues and can’t even get her facts right. She was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it. She has no ideas for healthcare, the economy, the deficit, and no overall foreign policy credentials. She only knows that community organizing is “not real work.” Way to hit people who are trying to make their lives better.
Posted by: JennM | September 4, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
This independent will vote for Palin!
She is fantastic. Anyone who has watched her should be thrilled by her. You don’t see someone like her in politics. So people grab this chance and vote for her!
Posted by: independent | September 4, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Mr. Incredible,
I am on my lunch break, thought I would check to see if you were still here dealing out your whacky retorts.
I see that you are. What a card you are. Maybe John and his soulmate will make you Press Secretary, What a good boy you are…sit boy, sit.
Posted by: hh | September 4, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
These forums really make interesting reads. And being non-partisan I can afford to make such comments.
And Yeah…We got plenty on our plates to keep us busy for a loooong time….
Posted by: Srini | September 4, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
==Mr. Incredible,
I am on my lunch break, thought I would check to see if you were still here dealing out your whacky retorts.
I see that you are. What a card you are. Maybe John and his soulmate will make you Press Secretary, What a good boy you are…sit boy, sit.==
They say thie things that I already think. That means that they see what I see, verifying my views. I like that.
You were already predisposed not to vote for McCain. So, why do we need to satisfy you with anything?
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
==Palin’s speech was hysterical.==
Hysterical is what Libs are this morning.
== The woman is obviuosly a wacko.==
We expect nothing less than that kinda statement from a Lib who is worried.
== She was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.==
With new information, she decided against it.
==She has no ideas for healthcare, the economy, the deficit, and no overall foreign policy credentials.==
Wrong.
== She only knows that community organizing is “not real work.”==
We ALL know that it is not executive work.
== Way to hit people who are trying to make their lives better.==
They aren’t executives either.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Mr. Incredible-san
If people work together, we can solve problems and make ourselves stronger.
Standing up in a community, does not involve being a bully. It involves being wise and helpful.
To just not care what people thing, so that harming others is acceptable, at it’s extreme is sociopathic and probably painful. I hope there will be medical care available for those with those kinds of issues so they can be helped and feel less pain and cause less pain.
Besides.. conservatives are often capitalists.. and real capitalists avoid unnecessary war.. because you can’t sell stuff to dead people.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Looking back at the primaries there were no woman, african americans, or hispanics running for the repub. ticket.This is just to convenient. It seems like they are using her the way they did Katheryn Harris in Florida for the recount. i believe most people will see through this. She’s no Clinton either.
Posted by: Jf | September 4, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
==All the stuff the world produces and sells to the USA is produced by 3rd world countries. Computers, TV sets, High Tech Machinery, German cars…
And the worst thing: they have the guts to demand PAYMENT!==
That’s commercial business, not policy.
However, none of these in-shack-living, shredded-clothing-wearing, donkey-drawn-cart-driving doofuses in other countries got any bidness telling us what to think about candidates running for American public office. We’re gonna do what we believe we gotta do, and they’re gonna like it, or not like it, and I don’t take into consideration whether they like it.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
An artificial neural network can make the same/better decision compared to a human in the face of new information…You’ll probably need a person who makes right choices the first time..
Posted by: Srini | September 4, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
This Democrat wasn’t certain till last night but I will be voting for McCain-Palin. She is clearly a brilliant and principled leader who has actually done something other than give a speech or vote present.
Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
==She’s no Clinton either.==
The powers of your observation are just astounding!
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
“== She was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.==
With new information, she decided against it. ”
I remember your party denying John Kerry this reason in 2004. So why should the Democrats buy it from you now?
Get your values straight! Your hypocrisy isn’t even funny anymore.
Posted by: Vokoban | September 4, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
She’s the attack dog. Plain and simple. If people attack back the republicans will cry sexism. John McCain is basically hiding behind a woman and her children. Too bad that woman is plagued by scandal. The republicans did nothing but mock last night. Nothing they said is going to help anyone.
Posted by: mel | September 4, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
Mr. Incredible….
It is human to care for others. It benefits the person who gives the care, the person who receives it, and the children of the future as well.
Broad stereotypes and a strong us/them message is what children on a playground use to start gangs. It’s what the Republicans use to scare people with. It’s what fuels war and death.
Perhaps there might be a better way.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
==If people work together, we can solve problems and make ourselves stronger.==
Ok, you go first.
==Standing up in a community, does not involve being a bully. It involves being wise and helpful.==
We’ve done that.
==To just not care what people thing [sic], so that harming others is acceptable, at it’s extreme is sociopathic and probably painful.==
We’re not ignorning what people think so that we can hurt them. We are ignorning what they think cuz they aren’t involved in this election. Our decision is our, not theirs.
==Besides.. conservatives are often capitalists..==
Socialists hate us.
==…and real capitalists avoid unnecessary war..==
“Unnecessary” according to whom?
==… because you can’t sell stuff to dead people. ==
Then, people should stop trying to hurt other people so we don’t have to stop them from hurting others. They oughta stop while it’s still up to them.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Sarah showed her skills last night and Biden is shaking in his boots. He knows he has to be careful not to turn his comments into sexist remarks like Harry Reed did last night commenting on the shrillness of her speech. Sarah, you are a credit to all women across America and we are proud to call you our first female Republican Vice Presidential nominee!
Posted by: Daniela | September 4, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Explain why Levi Johnston shouldn’t be arrested as a pedophile.
How can she protect the country if she can’t protect her own kids from pedophiles?
This is his second child; the first was with a 13 year old girl. Even by Alaskan standards (which are very loose) that is a bit young.
Sick…. really sick… yea, we want her in the White House. Her and her husband are good evangelicals, and typical of the breed. But lets move on to other issues.
Her husband and daughter: is child #5 really Sarah’s? I don’ believe so after looking at family photos on the internet. The eldest daughter is the mother for sure, but is the father of that child Sarah’s husband? Let’s do a little DNA test.
Will she support states that wish to secede from the United States, since her and her husband were both in a party pushing to have Alaska secede from the Union?
Will she legalize pot since she smokes it herself?
Will she change her position and start supporting unwed mothers, particularly teens so they can finish an education through college?
Last night, this woman was pathetic. Nothing to say that was grounded in reality and less to say about solving our problems except continue the same old republican bull that has existed since Reagan and have proven a failure to all but the rich. What a joke on McCain by his own party.
Posted by: basementfrog | September 4, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
==…this woman was pathetic.==
YOu weren’t gonna vote for the GOP before she spoke, and you aren’t gonna now. You weren’t changing for any reason. So, what’s your point about which we should be concerned?
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 4, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
basementfrog tries to be even funnier than Mr. Incredible. But he doesn’t succeed.
Posted by: Vokoban | September 4, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
That convention audience sounded like a lynch mob. Scary.
Posted by: carol | September 4, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
There’s no doubt who I’m voting for now after last night. What a skillful speaker. Plus, she has the prettiest VP candidate I’ve ever seen. And did you see her daughter, Bristol’s breasts? I mean, holy foshizzle! What are they triple D’s? Yum Yum!
Posted by: marc | September 4, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Wow.. Basementfrog-san….
Unfounded and hurtful comments do not really support a person’s case.
As a survivor of child sexual abuse, I don’t think that parents can always protect, though it would be nice if they tried.
If her son is a survivor of sexual abuse, then as adults and rational people, we should encourage his healing and honor his courage for surviving. We should not use this as attacks against his family. To do so would be the lowest and worst form of behavior. Petty, cruel, and ineffective.
When we are angry and we make all manner of accusations against those we see as our opponents, seeing what actually is becomes much harder to see.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Reasons Why I Cannot wait Another Minute for McCain and Palin to take Office;
1 – The war in Afghanistan and Iraq will soon include Iran and Pakistan and the US Military will buckle under the burden of our wars
2 – The middle class will cease to exist due to the failing economy, rising fuel and energy costs, lack of jobs and affordable housing and a lack of health care.
3 – American oil companies will start to lose money and profits as the economy tumbles and Americans can no longer drive cars or heat their homes (they won’t have homes anyway…).
4 – Our National Resources and preserves will be laid to waste in a failed effort to create jobs and opportunities for our failed economy.
5 – A total collapse of American banking and financial institutions due to the lack of any rational economic plans.
6 – An influx of wealthy foreign investors and immigrants, primarily from the Muslim world and China, that will snap up companies and real estate at below basement values, resulting in a total decay of American wealth, societal values and morality with the influx of foreign capital, culture and influence.
7 – The final failure of the medi-caid, welfare and social security institutions.
8 – How racism, segregation and hatred will take over Americans as they struggle to pin blame for the failed country and politics.
9 – How America will finally fall and anarchy will reign free and bold!
10 – All so I can say “I told you so” to all the people that think Republicans actually care about Americans. Because let’s face it; Republicans care only about America, not the people living in it.
Posted by: dEvil | September 4, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Nix: “… because you can’t sell stuff to dead people.”
Mr. Incredible: “Then, people should stop trying to hurt other people so we don’t have to stop them from hurting others. They oughta stop while it’s still up to them.”
Nix: Perhaps we should try hunting down those that attacked us and not stirring up civil war in Iraq. Iraq had a secular government that did not have WMD, but did have a lot of oil.
Afghanistan did support Al Queda, did attack us, was a government run by religious extremists who wanted to harm us.
To divert resources from a war against those who mean us harm to one where we destroy our own economy, see thousands of human beings dead, and let the bad guys get away…. I don’t think that was a good idea.
Posted by: Nix | September 4, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
CHECK THIS OUT, HIGHLIGHTS THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY—-
Dear friends,
So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .
Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
common: their gender and their good looks.
You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .
[ This was already posted on Washington Independent comments area,
with a controllable hotmail account, and was obviously meant by the
author to be read. ]
Thanks,
Anne
ABOUT SARAH PALIN
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child’s favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a “babe”.
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months.
She is “pro-life”. She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby.
There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out
there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly
sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
like that of native Alaskans.
Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She’s smart.
Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.
During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later–to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today’s
surplus, borrow for needs.
She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by
her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the
basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s
attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal–loyal to the point of abusing their power
to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated”
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska’s top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that
an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t
fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
her support.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t
like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to
nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.
As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects–which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance–but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.
She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah’s
mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march
to the beat of her drum.
Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President.
There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.
However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.
CLAIM VS FACT
•“Hockey mom”: true for a few years
•“PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
•“NRA supporter”: absolutely true
•social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
•pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
•“Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
•“Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
•political maverick: not at all
•gutsy: absolutely!
•open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
•has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
•”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
•fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
•pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
•pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
•pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla’s history.
•pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny +
Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local
government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
Secondly, I’ve always operated in the belief that “Bad things happen
when good people stay silent”. Few people know as much as I do because
few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
Third, I am just a housewife. I don’t have a job she can bump me out
of. I don’t belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no
fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
cost me somehow in the future: that’s life.
Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah’s
attempt at censorship.
Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can’t recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
for a private person to get any info out of City Hall–they are
swamped. So I can’t verify my numbers.
You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
population of Wasilla, ranging from my “about 5,000″, up to 9,000. The
day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the
current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.
August 31, 2008
Posted by: Cicly | September 4, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Why would Biden go after the “sexist” MSM being that him and Obama have been encouraging this kind of behavior? They did it to Hillary and now they tried to do it to Palin but got called on it.
Posted by: t. hill | September 4, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Mr. Incredible, man, you ROCK!
Those Libs are SO toast. If it weren’t for them the housing market and employment would be up, inflation would be down, and gas would probably be $2 a gallon. Oh yeah, and the Iraq war would have been over YEARS ago.
Thanks for defending Values and Country, dude, it’s only a matter of time before more Americans see through all the Lib LIES and follow your awesomely mature example.
Rock on, my brother!
Posted by: Stee | September 4, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
All I know is that I want to get one thing straight between Sarah and me – ME! What a babe! I bet she shags like a minx! Growwwwwl!
Posted by: Hon | September 4, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
OK, the Republicans pushed the family button by using Sarah’s family as a publicity stunt. But that doesn’t mean that we now get to attack the kids or make hysterical accusations.
No one can prove for certain that the Down syndrome baby is really Bristol’s or that her father has been having sexual relations with her since she was 9.
That’s just off limits here! Besides, things are different in Alaska.
Posted by: Wilfred | September 4, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
I am more excited about the Obama / Biden ticket now. I am not one who thinks Sarah Palin is representative of all woman, just as Hillary isn’t either. A lot of people like her and that is fine. But at the end of the day, she is wrong on the issues like McCain. So Alaska can keep her and love her. And if she is the reformer she claims, she’ll leave her sarcasm in MN and be a good mother and a good governer, and she’ll reach across party lines to assist the New Democrats with their new agendas.
Posted by: Jen | September 4, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Here’s the real problem everyone seems to be missing here;
McCain/Palin are the Republican ticket, Obama/Biden the Democratic ticket!!!
The real candidates should have been Clinton vs Romney.
No matter who wins now, we are all going to be in a sinking boat together! The next president, regardless of party will be a single term only and the “other” party will take over for the second term.
This means 4 more years of failure and disaster, which only gets worse when allowed to fester.
The candidates are all fine people. Those voting for them need to be checked into the sanatorium…
Brace for impact America!
Posted by: Bob | September 4, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Look, Palin is one thing and one thing only: she’s a MILF.
McCain wants her, guys in the GOP want to totally wreck her.
The MILF ticket. Nothing more.
Posted by: Truth Teller | September 4, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Here’s the real problem everyone seems to be missing here;
McCain/Palin are the Republican ticket, Obama/Biden the Democratic ticket!!!
The real candidates should have been Clinton vs Romney.
No matter who wins now, we are all going to be in a sinking boat together! The next president, regardless of party will be a single term only and the “other” party will take over for the second term.
This means 4 more years of failure and disaster, which only gets worse when allowed to fester.
The candidates are all fine people. Those voting for them need to be checked into the sanatorium…
Brace for impact America!
Posted by: Bob | September 4, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
I disagree with everyone on the “SEXIST CARD” B.S.
Questioning Palin about running for VP when she has 4 underage children — one of them PREGNANT and one of them SPECIAL NEEDS is not a gender issue — it is a PARENTING issue. This time the parent happens to be a woman. But I would have the same concerns if the parent were a male. A THINKING adult does not willingly expose their pregnant child to public ridicule on an international scale OR risk negatively influencing other impressionable young CHILDREN by presenting that situation as just another “that’s life” issue.
Additionally, I doubt very seriously that Joe Biden would have RUN for congress 3 or 4 months after his family tragedy. I would EXPECT HIM to stay alot more focused on the needs of his children at that time. But he had PREEXISTING COMMITMENTS. He was already elected. He dealt with it. And I am quite sure that IT WAS NOT EASY and he only had two children.
SP can do what she wants; but it is ill-advised at THIS time given her family issues. If any sexism is involved, it is only because, as the SOURCE of life, women have historically been more responsive to the needs of their children and THAT”S A GOOD THING. AS A MOTHER, I EXPECT ANOTHER MOTHER TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY; because WE’RE EXPERIENCED AND ENLIGHTENED LIKE THAT.
MEN need to learn MORE of that. The real SEXISM, the real SOCIETAL HARM comes into play when MEN aren’t held to that higher PARENTING standard rather than when women are expected to maintain those standards. IT’S ABOUT THE CHILDREN, PEOPLE…DUH!!!
It’s not criminal for the parent of several young children to be ambition-driven. It might not always be self-interested and unresponsive to the family’s needs. But it is ALWAYS shortsighted; because the children DO suffer and so it IS wrong. No rationalizations, dismissals or fingerpointin will change that. I feel sorry for those children. PERIOD.
Posted by: Giselle | September 4, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Afghanistan: not as peep.
Pakistan: mum.
Health Care: nada.
Education: *birds chirping*
Housing Crisis: *pin dropping*
But ooh boy can she Obama bash. She trotted out every tired wingnut stereotype of liberals in the book. And for good measure she suggested that there is something wrong with serving communities in need. Obama will be smart not to get into a debate over whether helping people to help themselves makes him more qualified than serving as mayor of a city that basically ran on federal earmarks. He’d win that debate, but it’s a distraction from the issues and as Rick Davis admitted distracting people from the issues is the entire McCain campaign plan.
Posted by: Jeremy | September 4, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
I found her comments to be so dismissive, sarcastic, and condescending. She offered not one substantive policy position on the economy or national security. We are at war in two countries and she saves her fire for belittling the accomplishments of Obama. She is supposed to be speaking to and for small town America and doesn’t acknowledge that they’re hurting. Instead she goes on a rampage of invective where she positions Obama as one of them. She has a pregnant teenage daughter and didn’t mention her stance on abortion. She has a special needs child and didn’t mention education, but I guess the fact that she cut special education funding by 62% in her state wouldn’t speak well of her. The fact that she failed to mention Obama by name is incredibly insulting and petty. It is clear that with McCain/Palin we go back to a gridlocked system because according to them the Democrats are the enemy. What I appreciate about Obama’s speech last week is the notion that we are all in it together and we can make progress together. What I got from Palin is that if you don’t believe what she believes and come from a place that she deems worthy, you are less than nothing. You are not worthy of being recognized and are dismissed. She is clearly of the mind that there are two Americas and that is just fine with her.
Posted by: Hope | September 4, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
As a Independent supporting many Republicans downticket and Obama for President, I think the Dems can breathe a sigh of relief. Sarah Palin gave a decent speech but gave me no confidence that she is competant to be commander and chief.
Also, selecting Palin – someone McCain and Americans hardly know at all with no foreign policy experience AND no national policy experience makes it clear they are BOTH to Mavericky for my taste. Also, she and McCain are blatantly lying over and over again – not just about Obama’s record but about her own.
No thanks I’ve had enough of a Maverick administration that goes with their gut and then lies to make there case (Cheney/Bush).
No way in H E double-hockey sticks I’m voting for McCain and the pit bull with lipstick.
Posted by: Brian | September 4, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Uh Blake…Palin’s TELEPROMPTER BROKE DOWN HALF WAY THROUGH HER SPEECH.. That is why you see her relying on her notes through-out much of her speech…Hummmm I wonder if Senator Obama would have been able to do quit so well….Just another example of the left jumping to conclusions before getting the facts…
Posted by: Curious Indep | September 4, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
“Uggghhh lord knows I am not a big Obama fan, but I thew up a little yesterday watching this. There was no inspiring message about how to lift yourself up. It was all fire and brimestone, the republicans truly looked like the devil.”
I think I pooped myself laughing while reading this idiot’s post.
Posted by: Jay | September 4, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Unfortunatly Hope, If you dont agree With McCain or Palin they consider you
unpatriotic and unamerican, they dont believe in two americans, just that they are the rightful american and they have the only voice
Posted by: Cicly | September 4, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Sarah Palin reminds me of the woman puking cherries in the film, Witches of Eastwick.
Hey all you “liberals”… don’t be distracted by the Republican strategy [their only strategy] of hurling adolescent insults to preoccupy actual adults who take politics seriously as adults should. These are the little children of the world we all need to coddle; apparently they didn’t get enough love in their born-again values homes. Loving people don’t behave in these ways. Referring to themselves as Christians is as false as referring to them as adults. Christians don’t exploit their babies. Strong people [much less strong women] who are authentically strong don’t act macho.
Really, what we’re dealing with here is people with low emotional IQ’s. The dizzying lack of maturity displayed by the Republican choir is appalling. I think we’re all just a bit stunned by just how adolescent the behaviors are. We all just have to begin treating Republicans as children. And herd them like the sheep they are into to day-care centers for the chronically immature. Booing, hissing, mocking, ridiculing is the sign of deep insecurity, low self-esteem, and ultimately arrested development; they should be considered as patients in a ward, not as adversaries, or competitors.
“Drill baby drill?” Are you kidding me?
Off to a great start? Sarah Palin started out with flat out lies. She took the money Republicans. If you actually read, you’d know the truth versus hearing the lies you’re told by your own people.
And the press did not make up anything about the vetting process, or lack thereof; so typical of Republicans, to say “ we won’t say anything else about the vetting process” because the press is lying? No. The vetting process [or lack thereof] was exactly described by the press. It’s just the same old same old Republican hocus-pocus to throw anyone in front of the bus to avoid the truth [including his or her own – so watch out staunch conservatives. You may feel like a member of the team now, who inflates your low self-esteem, but you’re actually being laughed at by the Karl Roves, gullible little people that you are].
Republicans actually believe the lies their candidates tell them. This is really the joke of it all. Karl Rove is playing his own people. Images of Tammy Baker and Jimmy Swaggert come to mind; a comical display of falsehoods, a gross caricature, and you buy it, gullible little toddlers that you are. Hook line and sinker.
What is wrong with Republican’s? They’re sick, really, really sick people, and the frightening part is, they don’t realize. We all need to realize this.
“Liberal” means loving, intelligent, benevolent, erotic, relevant, altruistic, and literate. Thank you.
Conservative means, under a neurotic fantasy of being Christian while displaying all signs of being hateful, hurtful, and exploitive, lacking all capacity to have aesthetic, and being terrified of self-knowledge.
Attacks on “Liberals”, are just attacks on yourselves, seeing the reflection of what you wish you were, of who you know you should and could be, of seeing all that you lack, and all that you know deep down inside as true.
Left leaning media? Elitist? Come on people. I know you are more intelligent than this.
Posted by: Collin | September 4, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Ummm apparently someone is using my name. I never asked about how many votes Biden got and I was disgusted with yesterday’s republican display. look at my post 9:14
Posted by: rachel | September 4, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
I beleive the people who are dissing me read the wrong post the the statement about biden is from the poster below me
Posted by: rachel | September 4, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Would you look at this! This is posted by dEvil, seems like there is only one thing left for us to encounter…….
The AntiCrist.
Reasons Why I Cannot wait Another Minute for McCain and Palin to take Office;
1 – The war in Afghanistan and Iraq will soon include Iran and Pakistan and the US Military will buckle under the burden of our wars
2 – The middle class will cease to exist due to the failing economy, rising fuel and energy costs, lack of jobs and affordable housing and a lack of health care.
3 – American oil companies will start to lose money and profits as the economy tumbles and Americans can no longer drive cars or heat their homes (they won’t have homes anyway…).
4 – Our National Resources and preserves will be laid to waste in a failed effort to create jobs and opportunities for our failed economy.
5 – A total collapse of American banking and financial institutions due to the lack of any rational economic plans.
6 – An influx of wealthy foreign investors and immigrants, primarily from the Muslim world and China, that will snap up companies and real estate at below basement values, resulting in a total decay of American wealth, societal values and morality with the influx of foreign capital, culture and influence.
7 – The final failure of the medi-caid, welfare and social security institutions.
8 – How racism, segregation and hatred will take over Americans as they struggle to pin blame for the failed country and politics.
9 – How America will finally fall and anarchy will reign free and bold!
10 – All so I can say “I told you so” to all the people that think Republicans actually care about Americans. Because let’s face it; Republicans care only about America, not the people living in it.
Posted by: dEvil | Sep 4, 2008 11:41:44 AM
Posted by: Heavenly One | September 4, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
“Would you look at this! This is posted by dEvil, seems like there is only one thing left for us to encounter…….
The AntiCrist.”
=Posted by: Heavenly One | Sep 4, 2008 12:48:31 PM=
People are the AntiChrist! Don’t you get it yet???
Posted by: dEvil | September 4, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
awwwh Jay thanks for the compliment, I can send you some depends for your bowel control problems. The repbulicans were awful yesterday. They did look like the devils it was nice of the media to try and get a glimpse of the diversity however rare it was. I truly felt like I was in the pits of Hell, but that’s the repulbican’s america. I am sure you can come up with another insulting name for me though besides idiot
Posted by: rachel | September 4, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
As watching the debate last night I just got so upset. I noticed at the end of the debate a little girl tugging at her pant leg just to be shown some attention while her mother paraded on the stage.
Posted by: Maggie | September 4, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Is there a suicide watch on Mark Shields yet?
Posted by: geevill | September 4, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Thank you, Gov. Palin for making it very clear that electing the ticket with you on it will definitely be asking for 4 more years of the nastiness, divisiveness, and lack of policy that we’ve had for the last 8 ………. with even less competence! It always seemed that Sen. McCain was a little different, more authentic and willing to work to solve problems. It’s very clear, however, that you are NO different than Bush and Cheyney. Thanks for clarifying matters.
Posted by: Elizabeth | September 4, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Hmmmm rachel.. wonder how many rachels there are in the world, beside you of course…shows how self absorbed liberals are in themselves..thinking THEY are the one and only in existence…actually I know of 2 very independent republican women named rachel….guess that leaves you out..uh
Posted by: Curious Indep | September 4, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Hey Collin….LEAVE YOU WITH TWO THOUGHTS…ZERO AND DRILL BABY DRILL!!!! LOVE THE SMELL OF PANIC IN THE MORNING…
Posted by: Curious Indep | September 4, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Well curious indep, I have seen another Rachael on here but not rachel, and if I had I would have made a distinction in my name. Anyways, they did mistake me for the poster below and that posters name wasn’t rachel, so it doesnt even matter. Also this year I truly was going to be indepdent after hillary dropped out, but is seems the republicans are out for blood and John isnt the mavrick I thought he was.
Posted by: rachel | September 4, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
I guess the McCain camp thinks Palin can’t write her own speech.
Talk about sexist…
Posted by: eLone | September 4, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Basement frog, you are so off base, I don’t even know where to begin. First off, the liberal media has said nothing about the slanderous remarks you just made as far as her youngest child, her husband and her oldest daughter. Same thing with the comments about Levi fathering another son with a 13 year old? If any of it had any basis, the liberal media would be all over that. You are just extremely threatened and jealous of this amazing woman that all you can do is attack her and her family with lies. As far as the abortion issue, you are wrong again! Why should an innocent child suffer because their parents were careless? News flash, the moment a child is conceived, it will become a human being if allowed. You can’t avoid that fact. You encourage carelessness by allowing them to be irresponsible when they are careless by having an abortion. There are so many people out there that can’t even have children and desperately want to adopt. Are you telling me that nine months of a pregnancy and then giving a child up for adoption will ruin a teenager’s chances in school? Well, “news flash,” you are completely ignorant on the subject and need to keep quiet. I think Sarah with five children has shown that people can still succeed even with children. I also have a friend with seven children that is single that made it through law school. If going through a pregnancy and then giving a baby up for adoption or deciding to keep the baby would affect someone’s ability to be successful, then they had no chance of being successful in the first place. You have bigger problems to worry about like Berg v. Obama. Go to http://www.americasright.com/ to learn more about it. I agree with Michael Savage who is a psychiatrist. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Della | September 4, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Sounds to me like Uncle Joe has it just about right- a decent speech, capably delivered. But not what the McCain campaign needs now.
Here’s what I saw- a speech that could have been delivered by, for example,a San Diego School Board member, a theo-con with an axe to grind with the “liberal” policies that Obama and Biden will espouse once in office.
In sum, a lightweight political hack, doing what she does best- bullying other PTA moms into submission,relying on the few flimsy stitches of scripture that all such people fall back on at the end of the day.
A sociopathic personality disorder, believing in the same messianic vision that guides the current leader of the free world, with a firm and unshakable belief that might makes right, and
perfectly wiling to make war on all those godless Muslims!
YAY!!!!
What the rapublicans have done is to reverse the order of Bush/Cheney, sith the warmongering neo-con at the top of the ticket, and the lightweight theo-con at the bottom.
They are going to end the rapublican lock on power for the next two generations, just as Hoover did in the thirties, by ignoring the handwriting of the prophets, writ large on the subway walls.
…. and good riddance!
Posted by: NotoriousQED | September 4, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
I am sorry for posting under so many names here. I am just lonely and confused and I need desperately to cling to something that helps me ignore my pathetic existence.
Republicans seem to tout more power and authority, so I chose them for my political affiliations. I try to always pick the winning team as my favorite.
I really feel threatened by all the minorities that have invaded America and all the non-Christians with their corrupt moral values. I also am scared of the poor.
Liberals scare me because it goes against my upbringing to not be so selfish and uncaring for others.
Sorry
Posted by: Della, Theresa T., Jan | September 4, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
rachel..It seems to be prevalent on these types of sites whether your conservative or liberal the opposing side want to do as much damage as possible which includes using your name for the benefit of their agenda..I try to stick to facts that I can source..enough with the slams TALK POLICY. WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE POLICY CHANGES AND NOT THE CANDIDATES FAMILIES ETC…
Posted by: Curious Indep | September 4, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Hey there curious independent, how you doing there you sweet baby? Come here, let daddy give you some love. ;)
Posted by: collin | September 4, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
I’m satisfied that Obama/Biden are disciplined and well focused on the real issues that face us. They have a plan and they are executing on it with some percission. It’s too soon to tell whether Palin/McCain can demonstrate substance. We’ll just have to wait and see. But if the election were held today, my vote would go to Obama/Biden and not Palin/McCain.
Posted by: Greg Pool, Hoosier | September 4, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Greg Pool:
What plan does Obama/Biden have? All I have heard from them is “Yes We Can” and “Change.” It doesn’t simply happen by saying it. He has come up with no ways of acting on it. The fact that Biden even said he is not ready says quite a lot. The fact that he chose a VP that had the least amount of votes rather than the woman that had 18 million also says a lot about his decision making skills. Also, he only marked present about 130 times in senate when he only appeared about 145 times. What type of decision making skills does he have if he can’t even vote on anything for most of the time he is present. People are just excited about him because he spouts change, but actions speak louder than words and McCain and Palin both have that to back them up. He has no experience to prove to the American people that he would actually do anything good for this country if he does anything at all except for being “present.”
Posted by: Della | September 4, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Good for Joe but I am still voting for Nader/Gonzalez.
More than anything else the media is responsible for the rise and fall of Obama.
Posted by: Tina | September 4, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Let’s face it – Biden isn’t attacking Sarah because he doesn’t want to ruin any chances at landing her in the sack down the road. He knows a babe when he sees one! Go Joe!
Posted by: JayHawk | September 4, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Nice speech, Sarah. Seems like Karl Rove is still pulling the strings on the Republican puppets. Hey, here’s an idea: why don’t the Republicans make Karl Rove their nominee and get rid of McCain and the hockey mom? O’Bama and Biden have real plans, and are the only hope to restore our country for all citizens, and for the broader world community.
Posted by: denise | September 4, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
As long as you can dream Denise!
Posted by: Della | September 4, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Perhaps part of it is the inevitability of universal suffrage resulting in the “working class” voting themselves an ever increasing share of someone else’s money. There were good reasons the “Founding Fathers” had the Senate elected indirectly, and limited the civic franchise to landed, literate people. It is politically incorrect now to advocate a return to the status quo ante, and indeed the genie has escaped from the bottle.
Posted by: Darth Marley | September 4, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Palin was a lousy mayor who took a town with $0 debt in 1996 and left it $22 million in the hole in 2002, mostly from the hockey rink/sports complex she shoved down their throats which never became the money generator she promised it would. Another white elephant from another white elephant. Even with the stable Clinton economy during most of her mayoral tenure and Jack Abramoff’s crony she hired to lobby Washington to help her now indicted buddy Ted Stevens ring up $27 million in federal pork for tiny Wasilla (pop. 5000 when she entered office) she still managed to leave the town swimming in debt. Three of her pork projects even made McCain’s own wasteful spending list.
She was so heavy handed the town’s folk forced her to hire an administrator to handle day to day operations or face a recall.
As governor she is borrowing from Alaska’s future while she wants to give away today’s Alaskan windfall oil tax bonanza and the huge surpluses they’ve generated in bread and circuses tax giveaways. Alaska gets 89% of it’s operating budget from taxing oil coming out of the ground just like Arab kingdoms and Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela. They have no state income or sales tax up there. Instead of using that windfall to pay for all the profligate spending her Republican legislature keep sending her she’s issuing bonds to pay for it all which Alaskans and US taxpayers will have to pay off in future years while she takes credit for tax “rebates” while she’s governor.
Her fiscal policy is a disaster in the making which won’t hit til she’s left the governor’s office. She’d be a disaster as Vice President especially to a President who despite his grevious wounds and type A personality is already past the age his father and grandfather died of sudden heart attacks.
She can put on all the lipstick she wants but her political record is for the dogs.
Posted by: markg8 | September 4, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
how can any american actually say they are ok with a vp candidate by just a speech? she won’t even go on the sunday morning show’s. she could be president in january if mccain get’s sick again. people go to college for years to learn how is she going to learn about domestic and foreign policy in a few months. obama may not have as much experience as biden or mccain, but he has faced the media and america for 18 months and is still standing and can go up against anyone on domestic and foreign policy.
Posted by: william | September 4, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
mr. incredible,
Gosh alot of people have fed the troll.
I don’t need someone like you to spoon feed me jiberish. Unlike you, who despises “libs”, I don’t hate conservatives. I have very good informative discourse with my good friends who are independant, republican, green, libretarians, liberal, anarchist, socialists,gay, straight, married, divorced, white collar, blue collar, homeless, small business owners, realtors, store clerks, musicans, butchers, hunters, blacks, whites, asian, hispanic, jewish, arab, men women. etc. etc. Most of us are working, going to school, some are homeless, jobless. And all of us agree; We don’t need you. We already know the facts. We all agree that we have to change things in washington, we don’t agree on how to get there, but we agree on what needs to be done. So we will try different ways, some conservative, some liberal, some tax cuts and some tax increases where needed. Whether its a small government or not so small one, it takes money to fix infrastructure, it takes money to buy food, money to drill for oil. These are things we know. We get it, the U.S. is up the creek without a paddle. We have jobs going away to other countries, We have the largest populated country looming over us taking what we have claimed as our resources many decades ago. But there are now about 9 billion people there having the same struggle we are, how to feed their family. They want to buy a car, have their own home. just like the people in Iraq, or Israel, or Norway. So they want the oil that we use, the want the iron ore, the technology. So if mr. “incredible” here would like to tell us his ideas or if anyone else has a really great plan, why don’t you send it on up to the party of your choice. Why don’t you publish it online. I don’t need your affirmation of my choice of party or candidate. I don’t need you to tell me how good your selection is, or how good they are going to do. Please notice I don’t tell you how to vote.
What both you and I need; is for us to come up with some really good ideas, bounce them off one another, and come up the best way to provide for our nation. i.e. Energy; once oil runs out (the price doesn’t matter, the fact is it is going to run out, even if we disagree on when. So, what do we do after we “drill, baby, drill”? What do you want to do? Sit around with our heads up our a**? So enough “its all libs fault” crap, if you hate 50% of the people in this country, then a fair question would be-Why don’t you go where you would feel more comfortable? All my friends (of all forms of persuasion) would like to stay here, thank you very much, and we think that that anyone with your kind of attitude; doesn’t deserve the freedoms we have here. Some of my family have fought and died for this country, but they did not fight and die for me to be called names by the someone with the constipated ideals you hold, or at least espouse.
Have a good day mr. incredible.
FYI:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incredible
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal
Posted by: hh | September 4, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Mr. incredible, you really are incredible. Us Liberals here in the great state of Washington know exactly what do to with little boys like yourself. We’re gun totin’ killers too, baby! See, I grew up in the midwest, and all my old pals are all hunters, bow hunters, real hunters, and we, I, used to beat little boys like you down like the punks you are, harassing women and intelligent people the way you do. You social conservative republicans have it all wrong; see, we’re the new liberal agents of change. We don’t have to capitalize our letters to intimidate people.
Posted by: Collin | September 4, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
John McCain should have picked Michael Jackson as his VP, HE’s Black He’s White, He’s a Man He’s a Women…
Posted by: Cicly | September 4, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Right on, HH!!
Posted by: collin | September 4, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
WOW! It took a long time to read everyone’s posts. I did think Sarah delivered the speech well and whomever wrote it did a good job. One point was a little confusing: she said that the democrats would not say two words “Islamic Terrorism”. I guess my only response would be – - – are we limiting our “War on Terrorism” to just those of Islamic descent? Wouldn’t “Terrorism” be sufficient and more all-encompassing? Give her a decade in Washington, running with the REAL “big dogs” – - – then, we can really determine if the barracuda is a barracuda or more of a flounder.
Posted by: nc4usa | September 4, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
This woman is embarrassing. I voted for Hillary because I wanted to one day tell my children that I voted for a woman to be president. This woman is proud to kill animals and her naive teenaged daughter is so stupid that she posted pictures of herself drinking alcohol with her hillbilly friends online. But who cares about her redneck family, who cares about her opinion of Obama, who cares about her opinion at all? Americans want to know how our next president and vp are going to give us our lives back….how are they going to balance our budget so that China doesn’t own 3 trillion dollars of our economy. What about health care for my elderly parents? What about our veterans and their families who suffer from war & mental illness? Do they even care what we want and deserve to know about their plan? The people who back them have to be the most ignorant Americans that just regurgitate their stupidity and stay defensive and negative. The stock market plummeted today and one of Bush’s cronies got prison time today. Let’s see if McCain has an explanation for that or if he’ll bump his gums like all these other Republican bozos.
Posted by: neelie | September 4, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
I find it very funny that both Obama and Biden would comment on the Teleprompter. I watched them both do the same thing during their convention. They act like they are terrified of this lady. She is definitely a God send. If this is how they act, it would be embarrassing watching them confront foreign leaders. She is definitely not Hillary (thank God) so it looks like your tactics aren’t working on Palin. McCain/Palin 08.
Posted by: Adrian | September 4, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
read through these posts…. what you see among the McCain/Palin fans is their self-possessed anger and venom directed at the snobby liberal spineless dems such as this comment “Snooty libs got reason to worry…now we begin their demolition”
Bush the 4th generation blue blood, Yale grad (thanks to daddy), Maine coast boater with silver spoon= common man because of his learning disability and inability to construct a sentence. Palin unlike Bush=belligerent red neck who did not grow up with silver spoon. Smooth talker. Nice smile. Genuine screwed up family like the rest of us. But do any of you angry Rush Limbaugh fans really think this anti-science, creationist is really fit to sit in that white house and meet with world leaders just because she is a great attack dog? Her policies and ideas speak to an intellectual range as deep as the current “decider” in the white house. Do you angry people realize it is not about showing the liberals how screwed up they are. I don’t want my friends, mother or anyone in the whitehouse who is not only streetsmart as Palin is, but is seriously smart…someone that reads lots of books and reads history and reads about the rest of the world.. and know history. NOne of you celebrity addicted republicans are believable after Peggy Noonan’s open MIC gaffe on sept 3 2008. That says it all. She writes a column in the AM saying how great Palin is, and then 5 hours later she is telling the world (unknowingly) that the Palin is the demise of the ticket and that the Republican’s could have done better. Here is what she said unwittingly to the open MIC: Asked if Palin is the most qualified Republican woman to be McCain’s running mate, Noonan replied: “The most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives and [inaudible] the picture.”"Every time the Republicans do that, because that’s not where they live and it’s not what they’re good at, and they blow it.
Added Murphy: “You know what’s really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.”
Such hypocrisy says it all (google noonan palin and you can read all the details)
Posted by: eblair | September 4, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
I was always taught to be truthful, and a half truth was worse than a lie, also anyone that would tell you a lis would soon steal from you. Think about it, and the last seven and a half years. I have noticed that my bank account is about empty from trickle up ecconomics. They preached trickle down and they were taking every penny they could from the Middle Class working people and the poorest of the poor. I am ready for change…….. sorry McSame and palain DON’T GET IT.
Posted by: Charles Bryant | September 4, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
Mrs Pain has in her own way told us all we need to know about her program.
She is a pit bull with lipstuck and proud of it.
She’ll soon learn that in the lower 48 we strictly enforce leash laws in our more populous zones, not to mention proof of rabies vaccination.
Posted by: Carol | September 5, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
Carol, that is the problem with Washington, any one trying to take a bite out of some good ole boy corrupt ways gets threaten by people as yourself. Also, I do not know where you are from but I believe Alaska is one of the 50 United States. Are you an elitist or a radical?
Posted by: dadminnesota | September 5, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
Carol, that is the problem with Washington, any one trying to take a bite out of some good ole boy corrupt ways gets threaten by people as yourself. Also, I do not know where you are from but I believe Alaska is one of the 50 United States. Are you an elitist or a radical?
Posted by: dadminnesota | September 5, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
An excellent post, and a number of great resources provided, too. Thanks
Posted by: Good Books | September 5, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am
It is not a laughing matter but I just can not believe how many self righteous people are posting about every one else faults and the rock throwing. When will people learn not to throw rocks in a glass house. Go look in a mirror and tell that person all of his/her faults in that life’s immediate surroundings and decisions and take the ridicule that you put on others. When will people learn not to throw rocks in a glass house.
Posted by: dadminnesota | September 5, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am
I wonder – where exactly is Biden’s sexist bone, since we don’t have to wonder about there being one, according to him.
Posted by: Brian | September 5, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Gee, as long as we’re talkin’ about secession…
Did you know that NObama supported a bill by Hawaii U.S. Senator Akaka that Akaka admitted could have let Hawaii secede from the Union, hmmmm:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008503
In the following tidbit, where it tells us who supported the bill, it says that Clinton and NObama did:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Hawaiian_Government_Reorganization
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | September 5, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card
Posted by: newme234 | September 5, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
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