Fact Check: Kissinger Defends McCain’s Iran Stance

HA HA HA,
poor kissingger. He was looking like he supported the Democrats there for a while, LOL!
Thank God someone pointed that one out to him, enabling him to flip-flop back to the Republican dogma.
Ahhh, those adorable signs of aging…

Take a look at the debate again. Obama did not say that Kissinger supported engagement with Iran AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL. He said that Kissinger supported ENGAGING Iran. Get it right.

Of course Kissinger favors McCain’s position on Iran.
And, of course, John McCain recognizes what a Presidential position relative to Iran (the ones who took our citizens hostage…remember Obamabots?) is, and Obama does not.
Once again, John McCain proves he is a capable and experienced leader.
And, once again, Obama proves he is not.
Pretty simple.
So, where is the story?
Anybody But Obama…

“they do agree talks should begin without preconditions.” lead with this and your fact check will be slightly more factual. spin it all you want, but obama was right on this one.

Obama’s naivete and lack of understanding on key foreign policy issues is truly frightening. For someone who prides themselves on “nuance”, in the one area where “nuance” is key, he FAILS.
Obama also did not present himself as statesmanlike or composed. He was rude, interrupting Sen McCain several times, pointing his finger at the moderator, etc. I was disgusted with his behavior and demeanor.
And when he had to jump up and down like a child with his “ooh, ooh, I have a bracelet too…” and THEN COULDN’T REMEMBER THE SOLDIER’S NAME AND HAD TO LOOK….
that wasn’t missed by ANYONE. His contempt for our military is very upsetting. Our beloved fallen are NOT a talking point and a way to try and score political points.
Obama does not deserve nor is qualified to lead our men and women as Commander in Chief.

Obama has made it very clear before, and did again tonight that he didn’t think such talks should begin at the presidential level. So, this statement that Kissinger disagrees with Obama starts with the incorrect assumption that McCain’s misstatement of Obama’s position is accurate.
Here is Obama’s statement during the debate:
“There’s a difference between preconditions and preparation. Of course we’ve got to do preparations, starting with low-level diplomatic talks…”

Obama lied! AGAIN!

“Once again, John McCain proves he is a capable and experienced leader.”
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His “insight” on Iraq:
I think the victory will be rapid, within about three weeks.”
John McCain, January 28, 2003.
“It’s clear that the end is very much in sight…It won’t be long. It, it’ll be a fairly short period of time.”
John McCain, April 9, 2003.
“Well, then why was there a banner that said mission accomplished on the aircraft carrier?”
John McCain, responding to assertion by Fox News’ Neil Cavuto that “many argue the conflict isn’t over,” June 11, 2003.
“I’m confident we’re on the right course.”
John McCain, March 7, 2004.
“We’re either going to lose this thing or win this thing within the next several months.”
John McCain, November 12, 2006.

I saw Kissingger last week on CNN. It was as Sen. Obama said.
Kissingger is a lying for McCain.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/20/se.01.html
Why do republicans lie for each other?

Donna and George as your official spin doctors, get real, be fair or get off the air.

I can’t believe people on here are saying Obama won. McCain clearly won the debate. McCain was even better on the economic portion that I thought for sure would be Obama’s strength. McCain made Obama look very naive and inexperienced on foreign policy. I though Obama sounded as if he was regurgitating lines his advisors had made him memorize. McCain came across as really experienced and knowledgable. I was really impressed with McCain.

Theresa:
Kissinger will say anything to make it seem that his thoughts are important. He screwed things up badly 40 years ago. So he is an authority …… at screwing up.

Obama won. McCain was lost on the economy. On foreign policy Obama had an advantage on Afghanistan and McCain on Iraq.
Obama has better judgment.

I agree…I thought it spoke volumes that Obama had to read the soldier’s name off his bracelet. Showed it for the gimmick it is (sort of like the American flag pin he now insists on wearing). I am the wife of an active duty career military man who is deploying for the 3rd time and I can tell you right now that I am voting for McCain. Not a doubt in my mind after tonight’s debate.

THERE IS REPUBLICAN ASTROTURFING GOING ON HERE. Obvious Astroturfing is Obvious.

Pubguy…. It just shows how litle class Obama has . He’ll do,say, or use anything to win!! It just struck me as pathetic that he had to read it of the braclet. It was just a low in the debate for me….

“I am the wife of an active duty career military man who is deploying for the 3rd time and I can tell you right now that I am voting for McCain.’
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Most veterans are supporting Obama.

Oh, and did anyone notice McCain referring to what “President Eisenhower” (yes, PRESIDENT Eisenhower) was doing during WWII? Ike didn’t become president till 1953!

Obama would have received a passing grade if this was a debate class but this was a Presidential debate! He gets an F in my book! He made faces, got clearly angry and interrupted several times. He clearly does not care about Israel! His lack of experience as McCain said is DANGEROUS! When Obama said you can’t look into Putin’s eyes McCain said I looked into his eyes and saw K-G-B! It was a great one liner that the media missed! TOO BAD!

GLT21 GREAT LINK! thanks!!!!
so far I find this, boy! are you sure this man is friends with McCain? AT ALL???
KISSINGER: We have a number of common issues that we have to settle, if possible, with Russia. We need Russia for a solution of the Iranian problem. We may need Russia if Pakistan evolves in some of the directions that it might.
We have to face the fact that the first shot in Georgia was fired on the Georgian side. Now Russia reacted in an excessive manner. But we should not make the whole relationship depend on the pictures that you showed (ph).
And I would urge the new president, as I’m urging this president, to explore the possibilities of cooperation and be very sure before we go the route of cutting off WTO and the other international measures for which cooperation with Russia may be very important.
And I think also that this Russia is not democratic, but it is also not what it was before, and that one must permit some evolution to take place.

Yeah…Obama made a horrifying gaffe by not remembering the name of the dead soldier on his bracelet. So painful to watch. He came across as a kindergartner in grade school in the bracelet response to McCain.

Sure, gop astroturfing might lead one to THINK the military troops are for Mac…

McCain is youthful, clear and powerful. Obama, although less than before, still stammers and stutters one time, and still a lot of uhm, uhm, uhm. Unless you are seriously biased, McCain won the debate easily.

I SENT THIS LETTER TO MY REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS:
We demand that Congress stops adding earmarks and pork within the contents of the “Bail Out Bill”. In addition we do not want a payout to ACORN — or any organization like ACORN.
We feel this is an egregious abuse of House and the Senate positions in Congress. Enough is enough.
We will no longer continue to vote or support any Representative or Senator who votes for bills with earmarks and pork or allots money to ACORN.
I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE WHO WALKED AWAY WITH TONS OF MONEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BAIL OUT.
If the government agrees to pay off mortgages for people who bought homes they could not afford — then the government needs to pay off ALL mortgages for ALL legal American citizens.
I don’t want my tax payments used to pay off somebody else’s home!
I PERSONALLY AM AGAINST A WALL STREET BAILOUT BUT AT LEAST FORKING OVER A THIRD OF THE MONEY — WITH THE REST CONTINGENT ON EFFECTIVENESS — MAKES SENSE.
I AM TOTALLY AGAINST GIVING 10% TO ORGANIZATIONS LIKE “ACORN”. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BUY HOMES THEY CAN’T AFFORD. DO NOT BAIL THEM OUT.
NORTH CAROLINA TAXPAYER

CNN votes:
Who fared better in the first presidential debate?
Sen. John McCain 27% 33453
Sen. Barack Obama 67% 81556
Neither 6% 6821
Total Votes: 121830

McCain is youthful, clear and powerful. Obama, although less than before, still stammers and stutters one time, and still a lot of uhm, uhm, uhm. Unless you are seriously biased, McCain won the debate easily.
Posted by: crab selector | Sep 27, 2008 12:46:49 AM
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Who fared better in the first presidential debate?
Sen. John McCain 27% 33453
Sen. Barack Obama 67% 81556
Neither 6% 6821
Total Votes: 121830

GIGI–
It must be pointed out that the Obama campaign sent emails to all of their supporters to watch the debate on CNN…so the poll response is no surprise to be overwhelmingly for Obama.

First of all, the Wall Street bailout is too expensive. I agree on that, and the bailout ought to be minimized.
But the economy DOES need a stimulus, new infrastructure, new railroads, investment in new industrial and commercial facilities that bring jobs, research, and development, and those categories are exactly what much of so-called “pork barrel spending” actually ARE. John McCain does NOT get it. PORK HELPS THE ECONOMY. Even if it is trayf. Spending also helps, by pouring money into the economy. But spending WISELY – into areas that benefit the economy in the long run – is a good idea. It need not make a profit for itself, but it must benefit the public good.
Spend Baby Spend!

GIGI**** Those insti- polls dont count for anything. Not a large enough sampleing, you’ll see tomorow when the new data comes out. Obama just had a very bad nite, maybe next time he’ll do beter??

DRILL BABY DRILL!!!

Didn’t the Dali-Bama look like a man-child up against the veteran? You know, wet behind the ears and snotty.

McCain is a grouchy troll who needs Ritalin to improve his social behavior.

A liberal is a conservative who’s seen others who have gotten mugged by reality and doesn’t like it.

Spend Baby Spend! Spend Baby Spend! Just not the overblown $700 billion welfare for the rich, which sucks. Spend on ordinary Americans, on the public, on infrastructure, on investment.
Spend baby spend!
drilling is bupkis

— Then how do you explain that 600 tons of yellow-cake uranium the U.S. military removed from Iraq??? —
The Tuwaitha nuclear complex was dismantled after the 1991 Gulf War. But tonnes of nuclear material remained there under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), until the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq when it was left unguarded and looted by Iraqi civilians
http://uk.reuters.com/article/burningIssues/idUKL0768496820080707

GIGI**** Those insti- polls dont count for anything. Not a large enough sampleing, you’ll see tomorow when the new data comes out. Obama just had a very bad nite, maybe next time he’ll do beter??
Posted by: ynot | Sep 27, 2008 12:57:57 AM
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we will see then =D
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GIGI–
It must be pointed out that the Obama campaign sent emails to all of their supporters to watch the debate on CNN…so the poll response is no surprise to be overwhelmingly for Obama.
Posted by: smartsy | Sep 27, 2008 12:52:03 AM
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well… did anyone get it?
I didn’t and I recently signed up to their website.

John McCain is so obsessed with Iraq it’s just driving us into a deeper hole every day. 10 billion dollars – $10,000,000,000 every month spent on Iraq that never provoked a war with us, I just don’t get his obsession. Obama has a much broader and realistic vision of how to use our military and rebuild our economy. To all of our young people fighting in Iraq, I wish you could come home yesterday.

“Posted by: ShawnHH | Sep 27, 2008 12:19:54 AM
Henry is so irrelevant. ”
Trouble with that is OBAMA brought him into issue, and got it wrong.

Why wasn’t John McCain wearing an American flag pin on his lapel? Why does John McCain hate America?

I work with the Military, and out of 100′s I have talked to, only one or two say the war was a mistake.
And, most importantly, only a handful support obama, with most cussing his name like a sailor.
So, this MYTH that most Military supports Obama is not even appropriate for LaLa Land that most far lefties live in.
Maybe a day actually talking to a group of soldiers will give you more perspective.
But, be careful, as most I have met will present you with a Deliverance Moment if you show that Obama Libtard attitude too strongly.

I am so impressed with Obama tonight. Like another poster said McCain looked so grouchy, sneering, and condescending, he will drive us into isolation. He obviously has has a lot of experience and seems to have been very confident of his views tonight, but they just seemed not the right views and direction for our country anymore. At least he didn’t seem as insane as his campaign has been lately, but I just don’t agree with his hawkish views and his tax policy is a complete joke. I am so sick of our “trickle-down” economic policies, it does not work and now we have proof thanks to this massive financial failure, thanks to John McCain’s disdain for any regulation.

Just yesterday, CBS News’s Katie Couric, after interviewing Sarah Palin, who called the idea of meeting without preconditions “naïve,” checked with Kissinger. Couric: “Incidentally, we confirmed Henry Kissinger’s position following her interview. He told us he supports talks, if not with Ahmadinejad, then with high level Iranian officials . . . without preconditions.”

I was surprised how the debate’s undertone was stability/experience vs. change/vision. It was a bit like watching my father and brother go at it. How does someone choose between his Dad (who has simply lived life longer and tends to be wiser) or his brother (who is his peer and wants an America for his generation too!)? I kind of wished “Mom” (aka Hillary) jumped in during the debate and declared that the world needs both stability and change!!

LOL
Palin giving back tainted money from gov. campaign
By STEVE QUINN and JUSTIN PRITCHARD – 3 hours ago

what is happening to our democracy? i expected a debate in front of the american people to discuss what their plans are about the bailout of wallstreet fatcats. while the rest of us the average folks sit on our hands waiting for these crooks to tell us what our future holds.
at best both candidates just repeated the same old talking points we have heard all week.
they were given the opportunity during the debate to tell us the truth about cuts in the budget and they both danced around it.

To all you democrats who are defending Obama by saying that the conversation isn’t about talks at the presidential level:
You seem to be forgetting the fact that this particular controversy is in reference to Obama’s own words, when He agreed that he would meet without preconditions with the leaders of “Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea” in the first year of his administration. He then accused President Bush of trying to “punish” the leaders of those countries by not meeting with them.
Obama said that “he” would meet with those leaders, and made it clear that he believed President Bush should be meeting with them now. Since Bush is President, and Obama is running for President, we *are* talking about having talks at a Presidential level. Kissinger and McCain don’t support that because they both understand the elementary principles of foreign policy.

WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 (UPI) — Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says the United States should begin direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program.
Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran “without conditions,” ABC News reported.
The opinion of the former secretary of state for Republican presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford differs sharply with that of the current GOP administration, which has maintained a strict policy of not negotiating directly with governments deemed to sponsor international terrorism. The Bush administration has demanded that Iran dismantle its nuclear program as a precondition for any direct talks.
The other former secretaries of state, Madeleine Albright, James Baker III, Warren Christopher and Colin Powell, were asked to identify the biggest challenges the next president will face. They answered the fight against terrorism, restoring America’s reputation abroad, r-building U.S. economic power and global climate change, ABC reported.

HOW STUPID IS EVERYONE INVOLVED?
From the reporter who asked the question, to every public commentator or even other reporters out there. I am a democrate YET, the outright baise on behalf of Obama, not to mention plain stupidity on behalf of most journalist today, is making my decision quite easy, even if its out of anger.
The reporters question was not specific enough! Typically no president has ever meet a head of state (FOR WHICH THERE HAS BEEN POLITICAL CONFLICT) With out a representative from our country meeting with them first. Normally multitude of times.
But that was not the reporters question was it, It was, Should there be talks with high levels of Iran? This is the obvious answer of yes. However the media has reshaped it to mean should the president have one on one talks with high levels of Iran. Of course not, not until others, such as Embassadors, Secreary of State, and such have gone first, and layed the ground work for these more important talks. Second, Should there be conditions, Absolutely, WAIT!!!. These conditions are actually what the secretary of state and others are there to setup. This is their job. So.. to clarify… There are no preconditions (normally) to speak with the Secretary of State. But then there are, YES, preconditions setup in order to sit down with our President. If any one with a normally size brain, and of course not routing for Obama, and also not willing to distort the truth, it would be easy to see. Any reporter such as the one who wrote this column and many many more, need to find another job. Because you forgot the meaning unbaise reporting.

LOVE IT!!
I knew Obama’s lie about Kissinger would come back to bite him in the ass.
Now he’ll make the rounds of interviews proving Obama a liar.
Sweet.

Sen. Barack Obama showed a lot of disrespect by keeping referring to Sen. McCain by John.
Sen. John McCain all night refer to him as Sen Obama.
It says a lot about a person.
RESPECT!

Me Again
That reporter who Initially asked the question. Katie Couric. Henry Kissinger is not the type of man, to allow his words to manipulated or distorted on behalf of Obama or even McCain his own friend. The media is really getting careless now.

Caley, the difference in these two is night and day. McCain has CLASS and Obama does not.
Take note of when both were at Ground Zero and McCain placed carefully his rose on the memorial site, and Obama THREW his.
HUGE difference. IMMEASURABLE.

Fox News Poll has McCain winning the debate overwhelmingly.
I think the numbers were:
86%-12%

So, in other words, Kissinger is saying Obama lied.

If even liberal MSNBC thought McCain won, it must have been a landslide.

Obama was having a senior moment. Let’s give him a break.
I watched the debate a second time and wow did McCain knock the lipstick off the pig.

It seems that it doesn’t matter to the “media” that they are simply supposed to report the news, not to give us their personal opinions. They are so against McCain that it’s totally ridiculous! Obama was talking about health care, education, etc. when he should have been talking about Iraq and our economy. It scares me to think that he might become our future president! Wake up America! Obama might be a great orator but he’s not for the U.S.A. McCain knows what needs to be done and tonight he proved it. Obama was rude and simply tried to turn things around whenever McCain came up with the “real” solutions to some of our problems, then Obama jumped on the bandwagon like a little kid. Obama was the One who didn’t like to be on the hot seat, not McCain. McCain was cool.

McCain is flat out wrong on his failure to give Afghanistan number one priority and move significant number of troops from Iraq. He is also wrong to cede western Pakistan to al Qaida just because Pakistan has nukes. Like it or not, we WILL get nuked sooner or later if our leadership lacks the guts to go in there and finish the job.

The reason Obama said, “I have a bracelet too” is to draw attention to the fact that McCain was using the bracelet talk to appeal to people’s patriotic emotions, in order to get their vote. To me, this is the truly underhanded behavior, when politicians like McCain play on people’s sense of patriotism, instead of appealing to their reason by presenting better ideas. Bush did this consistently. Losing every debate, but pandering to fear and nationalism, never saying anything intelligent, he got two terms in office. It is because of Bush’s unnecessary war that the soldier McCain referred to is dead, we still haven’t caught bin Laden, and we have a fiscal crisis.

Gigi: Didn’t Hillary have to give back some “tainted” campaign money?
LOL LOL LOL

To all you liberals using “McSame, McLame, McBush, etc.”….the man’s name is McCain. I could care less who you vote for but grow up and give the man enough respect to call him by his given name. Whether you like him or not, he has sacrificed enough for this country to at least deserve that much respect. It’s not only liberal politics that have only allowed 4 Democratic presidents to be elected to office in the last 50 years. It’s your disrespectfull, elitist, know it all attitudes that chase the populist of this country into the arms of the republicans election after election. You people just don’t get it.

I’m sorry GLT21 and GIGI, but I’ve read the entire transcript several times and first of all Kissinger only speaks about 4 times and NOWHERE IN ANY OF HIS COMMENTS DOES HE SAY THAT HE SUPPORTS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SITTING DOWN WITH IRAN OR ANY WORLD LEADER WITH NO PRECONDITIONS – NOWHERE, someone didn’t make very good grades on reading comprehension in school, huh???

“Biden Makes False Claim About McCain Tax Increase”
by Associated Press
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/26/biden-makes-false-claim-about-mccain-tax-increase/

Beyond the debate:
AMERICANS: Senator Obama is using police tactics in the United States of America to stop FREEDOM of SPEECH. It is not the duty of The Missouri Ethics Commission to usurp the freedoms guaranteed by the BILL of Rights first amendment in the American Constitution, Freed Of Speech.
How does The Missouri Ethics Commission and law enforcement guarantee that Senator Obama is telling the truth, the whole true, and nothing else but the whole truth? The Missouri Ethics Commission is saying only other people lie and use deception, not Senator Obama.
The Missouri Law must be placed under the scrutiny of the State and Federal Supreme Courts. Such unconstitutional laws must be stricken from the books.
Obama must be stop by the Attorney General for using unconstitutional methods, deception, and lies. It is evident that Missouri supports slavery and Senator Obama leads the way. It will be a horrific day in America when Americans are denied FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

Andy, Obama bringing up that bracelet was the most depressing moment for me from that debate. Seeing him rummage though his notes to find the dead soldier’s name had to make that kids mother feel devistated. She should write to Obama and demand the bracelet back and give it to McCain. If he didn’t care enough to learn something as simple as that poor man’s name, he should have never brought it up. Obama is a career polition who cares about no one other than Obama.

McCain: “We showed ‘em”
by Mosheh Oinounou
OXFORD, MS — Sen. McCain rallied nearly 1,000 supporters at a watch party at an Oxford bar following Friday night’s presidential debate.
“Do you think we showed ‘em who is qualified to be commander in chief tonight?” McCain said to cheers at the Lyric Oxford. “I hope I made you proud tonight.”

Kissinger did not say US should negotiate with Iran “without negotiations” he said:
KISSINGER: Initially, yes. And I always believed that the best way to begin a negotiation is to tell the other side exactly what you have in mind and what you are — what the outcome is that you’re trying to achieve so that they have something that they can react to.
Now, the permanent members of the Security Council, plus Japan and Germany, have all said nuclear weapons in Iran are unacceptable. They’ve never explained what they mean by this. So if we go into a negotiation, we ought to have a clear understanding of what is it we’re trying to prevent. What is it going to do if we can’t achieve what we’re talking about?
But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government.
Uhhh, hmmm…..
Get it right, taking two words out of a long explanation and using them to give incorrect or inaccurate information IS STILL A LIE!!

Obama has morphed his comments on direct talks with terrorist ever since Hillary and his “now” running mate Joe Biden pointed out his foolish statement.
Why can’t he just say I revised my remarks, instead of saying I never said that. What does he take us for?
Obama is no Kissinger

I am convinced those who thought Obama is the better choice are blinded by the Hollywood Elite and their assertion that Obama is some kind of Messiah.
Someone above stated McCain showed poor judgment in choosing Sarah Palin, that she is a poor choice to be so close to The Office. The Democrats have shown much poorer judgment in choosing someone with no better experience than Palin to be their choice for The Office itself. They’ve allowed someone whose smooth talk and charisma are his most favorable assets.
He seems to only speaks about helping “The Middle Class”, as if the lower and upper class are less important. I, personally, don’t want the taxes for the Fortune 500 company I work for to go up. My employer won’t simply absorb that loss, and the trade-off will likely be the jobs of the hard working people I know and respect. Many jobs lost will likely be the people that can afford to be unemployed the least. Their rent/mortgage, car payments, utilities, and other expenses will fall behind. Their health care will be lost. We cannot afford such tax hikes on the companies which employ so many people at this period.
I fear for my job, and you should, too.
Obama may, at some future time, be a fine leader for the U.S.(should he change his socialist agenda)
That time, however, is not now.

Any of these insta-polls after a debate is useless & meaningless unless you can get a Gallup-like polling sample done by live people on live people.
Extreme bias for any web-based polling because of age of web user are extreme opposite of likely voters.

Nicole,
I, too, noticed Obama had to look at the bracelet in order to know who’s name was on it.
This, to me, was a sign of the true man behind that podium, and a deciding moment for me, as a previously uncommitted voter.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~agreed.

I can tell you what Obama thinks of our soldiers, my grandson is in Kuwait and Iraq, driving a humvee or sometimes the gunner up top in a convoy moving goods and soldiers and watching for IED’s. Obama on his big world photo-op tour, landed, put on a vest and walked right by the guy waiting to shake his hand, went into a building shot some hoops & walked right past them again.Wouldn’t go see the wounded because he couldn’t bring his camera crew in. You think he should be commander in chief?? I think not.He’s a smooth talker & if he gets elected we’re in for something.He is an empty suit.

Hendry Kissinger agreez wid me dat I shuld sit down wid my Muslim bruddah in Iran and talk about how to bring down da man over a big pipe ful of crack. Widout precundishuns.
Hassam Malekem!!

Obama thinks if he can use the buzz word “middle class” we will all swoon over him.
But when it comes to taxes, you tax one of us, you tax all of us. You cannot just take water out of part of the bucket. If you take money away from a company, they just pass their new cost onto us.
John McCain has it right, cut spending and corruption in Washington. Obama’s response in front of the great white Greek Styrofoam Pilliars was 24 minutes of rattling off promises and 2 mins on how to pay for it.
Obama is a say anything, do anything to get elected candidate.
…including lying about Kissinger remarks, wearing a bracelet that means nothing to him and targeting free speech in Missouri

By God, if I was the President of the United States of America, I would issue a warning today to the governor of Missouri to stop the police action of usurping the freedoms guaranteed by the BILL of Rights first amendment in the American Constitution, Freedom of Speech. The warning would include the sending of federal troops into Missouri to guarantee the good people of Missouri their freedoms under the Bill of Rights.
The unconstitutional tactics used in Missouri are like the tactics of Hitler and the Nazi party. No where in this great United States of America should we let such unconstitutional rules stand to govern a free people. Missouri returns to slavery and Senator Obama leads the way.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

The DailyKos prints out a list of all the online polls, and then the little Obamabots go running to vote in every one of them. The list tonight included newspapers in Denver and Atlanta, something called Michigan Live, and of course CNN and MSNBC, can’t remember what else. Ordinary Americans had better wake up and get out to vote, or this country will be taken over by the most dangerous and ill-prepared candidate in the history of this country.

We don’t want to go down the drain with John McCain.

The media is working very hard right now to spin Obama’s and Kissinger’s words. You just watch everyone – the media will parse Henry’s words!
Splice and Dice that tape they will. Here’s an example: I attended the Jacksonville McCain rally on Sept 15 at 8:00 AM where John McCain said the fundamentals of our economy are sound AND he also said all the same things he was quoted as saying in Orlando later in the day. BUT the news media portrayed him as changing his remarks.
This played so well for the Katie Kourics of the world they just kept playing that lie over and over and over until the polls started dipping for McCain. So yes expect the news rooms to produce footage that appears to have Henry establishing Obama as an expert on world affairs.

Obama just has to admit he revised his position on direct talks with the terrorist and this is not a debate point any longer.

The debate over Kissinger’s words will be overshadowed by Obama forgetting the name of the soldier on his bracelet. That said everything we need to know about this candidate.

The DailyKos prints out a list of all the online polls, and then the little Obamabots go running to vote in every one of them. The list tonight included newspapers in Denver and Atlanta, something called Michigan Live, and of course CNN and MSNBC, can’t remember what else. Ordinary Americans had better wake up and get out to vote, or this country will be taken over by the most dangerous and ill-prepared candidate in the history of this country.
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Thanks for the info. will post it everywhere .

***DEBATES POLLS ARE MEANINGLESS:
The Garbage outfit DailyKos prints out a list of all the online polls, and then the little Obamabots go running to vote in every one of them. lOOK:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/26/19044/7434/435/611793

Obama said he personally, as president, would meet with his Iranian counterpart, without preconditions. That is the point the mentally challenged left choose to overlook. McCain mopped the floor with Obama and the democrats are desperate to create some alternate universe where Obama looked knowledgeable. good luck with that.

“I saw Kissingger last week on CNN. It was as Sen. Obama said.
Kissingger is a lying for McCain.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/20/se.01.html
Why do republicans lie for each other?”
You show a transcript to the conversation which verifies that KISSINGER WAS THERE AND DIDN’T TALK ABOUT PRECONDITIONS BEING LIFTED.
Gawd. Your point of citing was what again?

Why do republicans lie for each other?”
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Dems don’t have to lie for one another, because they do pretty well lying for themselves. Like last night when Obama said he warned people of the impending Fannie & Freddie doom. WHAT?!? He took the second largest amount from them in the shortest period of time out of anyone in the senate. He didn’t say sh** about it to anyone. If anyone can prove that he did, feel free to give me a direct quote or a link to some document, because as it stands, he just stood on that stage and told a bold-face lie to America when he said that. Do you know who DID warn of the impending Fannie & Freddie disaster? John Mcain did. In May of 2006 he proposed and co-sponsored a bill in the senate to reform Fannie and Freddie. Guess who blocked it? You got it! The Democrats. Guess who is in that group? Yep! Barack Obama. His Dems also blocked reform on F&F from Bush in 2003, as well, before BO even arrived in the Senate. I nearly tossed my lunch when I heard him say that he tried to warn everyone about this. Is he delusional? He’s starting to believe his own BS?

Moreover, Obama is like a baseball switch-hitter. He does not know if he should bat left handed or right handed. Obama is a very confused person. Obama did not even know to keep his mouth shut while John McCain is speaking. Obama shows impatient and someone that is irresponsible. Definitely not presidential material.
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Have you noticed that his gut instincts are pretty much always wrong? And he waffles around for a week before he settles on a decision? “Call me if you need me.” His judgment is abysmal. He’s not a quick thinker on his feet, and the President will need to be. Not every decision allows you time to mull it over for an extended period of time. Some might, but some are gut decisions, off the cuff, at a moment’s notice. Obama always needs a rehearsal or some memorization. That’s campaigning, but that’s not what the job will entail.

An easy call McCain won , hands down!! ABC has a story about Obama lying during the debate about his tax plan.
Posted by: ynot
CNN conducted a poll right after the debate. Obama won handly! Check your facts!

flip flop
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/kissinger-backs.html

Henry Kissinger says in this article that he does approve of direct talks with Iran. Below is an excerpt from the article and the Link is here: http://deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/1,5620,695261802,00.html?printView=true
“One should be prepared to negotiate, and I think we should be prepared to negotiate about Iran,” Kissinger, who brokered the end of the 1973 Yom Kippur war and peace talks with the North Vietnamese, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. Asked whether he meant the U.S. should hold direct talks, Kissinger, 84, responded: “Yes, I think we should.”
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Henry Kissinger says in this article that he does approve of direct talks with Iran. Below is an excerpt from the article and the Link is here: http://deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/1,5620,695261802,00.html?printView=true
“One should be prepared to negotiate, and I think we should be prepared to negotiate about Iran,” Kissinger, who brokered the end of the 1973 Yom Kippur war and peace talks with the North Vietnamese, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. Asked whether he meant the U.S. should hold direct talks, Kissinger, 84, responded: “Yes, I think we should.”
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Iran is the world’s greatest supporter of terrorism. They support both Sunni and Shite organizations worldwide. These organizations are the ones blowing innocent people up and beheading others. These organizations’ two main goals are the destruction of the Unites States and its allies and Israel and the institution of the Caliphate world-wide. I.E. Shahira law in all countries. So, I’m curious, just what are we to negotiate with them?

CNN LIVE EVENT/SPECIAL
The Next President: A World of Challenges
Aired September 20, 2008 – 21:00 ET
AMANPOUR: Secretary Baker, you just talked about strategically, not tactically. Let’s talk about Iran, which has been a strategic and tactical headache for the United States over the last 30 years.
Let’s say, in the few weeks after the inauguration of the next president, a message comes from Iran that the Iranians are ready to do a deal, all conditions on the table. Is the advice to the next American president to once again put conditions to expect Iran to cry uncle or to engage?
Secretary Albright?
ALBRIGHT: I believe we need to engage with Iran. I think the whole point is you try to engage and deal with countries that you have problems with and take the Russians (ph)… AMANPOUR: So what do you advise the president when he gets this message across his desk or it comes to the State Department that the Iranians are seeking feelers?
ALBRIGHT: You begin to look at what level to talk at. And actually, something like that happened when we were in office. And you begin to find the right level.
And I think it’s one of the most important relationships that we need to work on. We are not gaining anything by this. And I — while there are many issues, ultimately, Iran has benefited the most from the war in Iraq. And I think that we need to deal with them.
AMANPOUR: The intelligence assessment that’s going to be given to the next president says that Iran, they believe, will continue to seek to enrich uranium, but at the moment they don’t see evidence of building a weapon.
Can the United States, despite all that’s been said up to now, can the world live with a nuclear Iran?
POWELL: The Iranians are telling us that they are developing a nuclear program and they’re doing it for civilian use and for power generation.
Once you know how to do that, that 5 percent enrichment, you can scale it up to 90 percent enrichment and make a weapon.
So I agree with Madeleine, and I suspect my other colleagues, that we should start to talk to them. Don’t wait for, you know, a letter coming from them. Start discussions. We were talking to them up through the middle of 2003.
AMANPOUR: So take the initiative?
POWELL: Yes. Why shouldn’t we?
(CROSSTALK)
POWELL: We did.
BAKER: We did. In our administration, way back in ’91.
POWELL: We were talking to them through 2003 at a low level. And then it was stopped. And so find a way — and don’t make it, “Let’s get together and talk just about nuclear weapons or just about this or just about that.” Start a dialogue at a low level and let it grow over time.
SESNO: Might the next president have to have a showdown with his Israeli allies, to tell them to hold back?
CHRISTOPHER: I must say our relationship with Israel needs to be strong enough so we can say to them, “Look, we want to have a comprehensive dialogue with the Iranians. We can’t be complacent about the nuclear possibilities in Iran, but nevertheless we cannot afford not to have a comprehensive dialogue to see if it can be stopped,” because, frankly, the military options here are very, very poor.
And if that’s what the Israelis are advocating, I think that we have to tell them that we think their military options are very poor and we don’t want to go down that route.
SESNO: So neither candidate, neither of the men who would be president has taken the military option with respect to Iran off the table?
CHRISTOPHER: I didn’t say to take them off the table.
(CROSSTALK)
BAKER: Can I just say one — one more thing? When I was in office, we had a standing policy with the Iranians. We were ready to talk to them, provided it would be done at an official level, at the level of the secretary of state, and they did — they wouldn’t — they didn’t have enough domestic political support for that.
Having vilified us as the Great Satan for so long, they couldn’t get the domestic political support necessary to meet with us. So it wasn’t the case of our — we hadn’t been isolating Iran from that standpoint. We offered to meet with them at the level of secretary of state.
And I think a well-placed, quiet, private phone call to the Iranian leadership, if you can find out which leaders to talk to, to the effect, “Look, if you do so much as aim a missile or anything else toward Israel or toward anything else, toward Israel or toward us, our strategic nuclear deterrent can be re-aimed in 20 seconds,” they would understand that, I think.
AMANPOUR: I’m sure they would.
(LAUGHTER)
But the question is, do you want to change the policy? And do you want to actually try to engage for strategic reasons?
BAKER: We ought to engage, yes.
AMANPOUR: To use them for help in…
POWELL: I think we’re all saying yes.
BAKER: We’re all saying you ought to engage, I think. I don’t know. I haven’t heard Henry. He may not.
(LAUGHTER)
KISSINGER: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we — we know we’re dealing with authentic…
(CROSSTALK)
SESNO: Put at a very high level right out of the box?
KISSINGER: Initially, yes. And I always believed that the best way to begin a negotiation is to tell the other side exactly what you have in mind and what you are — what the outcome is that you’re trying to achieve so that they have something that they can react to.
Now, the permanent members of the Security Council, plus Japan and Germany, have all said nuclear weapons in Iran are unacceptable. They’ve never explained what they mean by this. So if we go into a negotiation, we ought to have a clear understanding of what is it we’re trying to prevent. What is it going to do if we can’t achieve what we’re talking about?
But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government.
ALBRIGHT: I think also we need to make clear that what we’re doing is not counterproductive. At the moment, I think we don’t understand Iranian society. It is not monolithic. There are various aspects of the fact that Ahmadinejad is not particularly popular. There are economic issues.
And the more that we go around vilifying them, we create — put him a stronger position. And so not only should we do these steps that the others have been talking about, but we have to make sure that we’re not undercutting what we want to do by creating a bigger problem than we have.
AMANPOUR: So it looks like there’s possibly some different advice to the next president.
And on that note, we’re going to take a break. When we come back, we’re going to discuss Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and the war on terrorism.
FRANK SESNO, CNN CO-HOST: And welcome to the Lisner Auditorium on the campus of The George Washington University in the heart of Washington, D.C. Thanks for joining us. I’m Frank Sesno.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CO-HOST: And I’m Christiane Amanpour.

Hmmm, okay, let’s start with ‘negotiating’ with these people, at a ‘lower’ level. You know, global citizen to global citizen: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080926152921.p3wozs19&show_article=1&lst=1

McCain won the debate, pure and simple…
- A Democrat

Obama seemed so angry, like he was seething inside. That’s what scares me so much about him. In his book he says that “white people like a black man if he is not angry”. So I sense he is repressing it. The look in his eyes is frightening. Where is the “charisma” that everyone talks about? I don’t see it.

To the statement above, “SPENDING FREEZES DO NOT HELP THE ECONOMY. SPENDING FREEZES HURT THE ECONOMY WHEN IT’S DOWN!” Are you crazy? If our finances at home are tight, the only cure that works is to STOP SPENDING! Have we lost our common sense?

I am a democrat and it was easy to see that McCain won. It is pathetic to see the MSM spin the verdict…

UHHH I agree STEVE-MAK-MAGGIE-Vs-Kikz-zank

Your right I agree

McCain is a real leader. He has the determination and the ability to solve problems. He speaks about concrete matters and facts. You can understand him perfectly.
Nobama is nothing but smoke. He only has a good-looking appearance and a flowery speech. Whenever I listen to Nobama, it always happens the same. After 5 minutes I wonder, what has this man said? and I don´t remember anything substantial.

This an exerpt from a conversation if Obama gets his way So President ahmadinejad you say we should look the other way when it comes to nuclear weapons and then we can have peace in the middle east Your right I agree.I have a nuclear weapon someone gave it to me I have had it on my wrist since august I cant remember who gave it to me
where is the engraving

UHHH Stephen from Indiana your right and I have plan to fix that I have nothing of substance to say but I can assure you I will fix that

For anyone who hasn’t checked it out,
http://deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/1,5620,695261802,00.html?printView=true
You should probably read that, unless you’re going to ignore the fact that McCain was wrong regarding Kissinger.
The term precondition, and I think this confuses a lot of people, means that they have to change (usually “democratize” or “disarm”) before the United States will sit down and talk with them.
It doesn’t mean to send out low level secretaries to communicate and talk to other low level secretaries, EVERYONE does that and accepts that as good standard practice.
The issue here is that if you refuse to talk to your enemies until they cooperate, what incentive do they have to cooperate?
They’re not children, you can’t refuse to talk to Ahmadinejad until he gives up the candy, because guess what, he likes his candy, and doesn’t quite care for America.
America needs to talk to our enemies. This doesn’t mean paying them, agreeing to their terms, or appeasing them.
It means talking. Talking as opposed to war, and anything that can avoid the loss of American life and ensure a peaceful resolution is a step that must be taken.

SAME OLD CRAP FROM MCCAIN—–LISTEN TO WHAT I SAY——–BUT DONT LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE DONE—95% WITH BUSH—SURE TRIED TO LIE HIS WAY OUT OF THIS ONE.
WHAT IS NEXT BOMB BOMB IRAN—I DONT THINK WE COULD AFFORD IT.

Rodney thats not true 95% with Bush I think you need to check some facts.He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s “broken with his party,” has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.

Gee, one more foreign policy position that Barack Obama obviously doesn’t understand. There are already so many, which last nights debate showed so clearly, that it’s hard to keep track of them all. Obama proved again last evening that he is an empty suit with no knowledge or expertise on much of anything. He’s not even qualified for the job he has now, and he’s certainly not qualified to be president.

Obama: “Surge will never work.” “Well, maybe the surge has worked, but not the political solution.” “I never expected the political solution to work.” AND NOW: “I WILL RETURN TO WASHINGTON – IF I AM NEEDED.” Isn’t Obama a sitting Senator? Isn’t his job to be in Washington, during a crises? Presidential material? DUH!!

all of the secretary of states last week were closer to obama’s stances than McCain’s.
Including Kissinger
who said last week, that he would meet Iran at the Secretary of State level TO START with no pre conditions.
to the point Powell asked him on it…and he said yes.
all the secretary of states agreed with the guy who actually had the guts to look the other guy he was debating with…you know not afraid he woukld lose his temper…ugh.

This just proves that Obama is a lightweight. His handlers over prepared him for this debate and it showed. His noted efforts to tie McCain to Bush fell like fall leaves in a forest. If he can’t remember what someone like Kissinger says correctly how can we expect him to remember and bring back to the USA what opponents like Iraq’s president says when he sits down with them without preconditions to discuss Israel, nuclear bombs and human rights???
A mind is a terrible thing to waste…

To rodney:
Gee…You sounded so ANGRRRRRRRRRY!
Switch side and you’d feel better.
For the FIRST time in your adult life you are PROUD of your “SWITCHING” I DID!

Clinton pushed for easing up on credit for low income home buyers and got his wish. Bush WARNED against this dangerous path soon after taking office. WARNED AGAIN to Dodd and others more recently – FELL ON DEAF EARS – AS DODD AND OTHER DEMS LEADERS WERE UP TO THEIR EYEBALLS IN BED WITH COUNTRYWIDE, FANNIE AND FREDIE. BUSHES FAULT – MY BUTT!!

WHERE DO YOU WORK —ON WALL STREET

It’s amazing that ABC would make mountains out of little things Palin or McCain say that might not be correct, but something as huge as the Henry Kissinger ‘precondition’ falsehood argued by Obama Friday night is relegated to this little corner of the web page. I am so disappointed at ABC’s partisan politics. There was a day when news media organizations could be trusted for their objectivity. If Obama said the world was square, ABC, CBS, NBC and perhaps even CNN would report that not only as fact, but give back up ‘news’ to support it as fact. Unbelievable!

I don’t know you “won” the debate but the impression it left with me is that we need someone ready to be president on day one and Obama would not be ready on day one. So, I guess that means I’ll be be voting for McCain.

Fact checks re. history of the easing of mortgage credit trace back to the early years of the Clinton Admn. Right, Manitu – Bush sent out storm warnings on this as early as 2001. IGNORED!

Yeah thats it rodney I work at walmart you got me I am a dumb guy and yes Bush did push for Iraq It amazes me that when you cant prove a fact you resort to name calling and insult slinging.

Dodd and Frank pushed us into this crises and now they are trying to say this $700 million package is the answer. Barney’s lover was a key exec at Fannie while he was making sure they kept making crazy loans. Did you know that?

Oh my!! Gotta love the “head in the sand” libs!!
Osamamama FORGOT the name of the soldier whose tag (political prop) he was wearing!!. He LIED about what Kissinger said regarding talks with Iran and he was plain rude when he kept interrupting McCain every time McCain made a strong point.
What was his major defense each time. Classic, rather then factually refute McCain all he could come up with was a lame “not rue, not true”.
Domestic finance part was a draw but McCain literally dismantled the novice Obamasama in the foreign policy portion, the major part of the debate.

Obama was DUMB to bring up Iraq. EVEN NOW, Iraq is considered to be an issue WITH A WHOPPING ELEVEN PERCENT OF VOTERS!! AND… Obama made himself “A FOOL,” out of that issue anyway!!

What the hell does Kissinger mean by “any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality”? lol
What is Kissinger’s ‘reality’ day to day given his ADVANCED AGE? lol
Kissinger is being deceptive!
Kissinger is being the typical dishonorable Republi-con, for whom truths and lies are not moral and ethical guides to right living. They are rather mere tools of expediency, the means to ends.

Funny. Katie Couric said, during her broadcast last night, that she called Kissinger. He said he supported the idea of talks with leaders(Iran) without pre-conditions. In reality both sides are right. Talking without pre-conditions, but someone other than the president. So this fact check is a myth. Neither side is completely right.

Rodney,
Allow me to explain to you HOW jobs are created since you seemed to blame on Bush or Republicans in general about sending the jobs oversea.
Jos are created when businesses (big one, little one, and anyhting in between) need provide services, create goods, or any business transactions. To do that, businesses HIRE people to “HELP” them achieve their goals at the same time businesses MUST make “PROFITS” to sustain/continue to do business. If those PROFITS are taken away in the form of “UNNECESSARY” regulations or “OVER” taxing, the businesses will NOT survive.
The businesses seek to profit themselves by “finding/locating” the BEST place to do business with maximized profits.
If you want the “JOBS” to stay in the US, which by the way has HIGHEST living standards in the world, the gov’t must provide some “incentives.” These incentives can be tax “break” or “relaxing unnecessary regulations.”
For example, if you call Microft Technical help line with your computer needs, what did you get “Redmond, WA”, WRONG. It is INDIA, Thailand, Phillipine, etc… Try it you may appreciate HOW that affect your jobs.
Quit blaming Bush for businesses sending the jobs oversea. That’s your DO NOTHING Congress.
If you want to change it, Vote and throw all the DO NOTHING bumps out start with Reid and Pelosi and clean BOTH houses, DO NOTHING REP. and DEM.
Then to ensure the “INTEGRITY” of our Congress, while you are at it, throw in something like TERM LIMIT!
That ought to scare the HELL out of them! I’m for CLEAN houses, won’t you join me?

Obama was rude?Are you kidding me? Well, McCain distorted Obama’s position on many points. He had every right to interject and stop the lies. It was discusting. McCain thought he was making a commercial. McCain was rude and condescending. He is not Presidential material.He’s an illitist hothead.He wouldn’t even look at or acknowledge Obama. He served his country and that’s admirable. But not everyone in the military supports his position. Even those of us with family and friends in Iraq don’t support his continuation of the war. And that’s pretty much the only talking point McCain has. He’s a bush clone. For big money and big oil. He will do nothing for me, my family, or the next generation. And Obama is right. Washington fell asleep at the wheel. Militarily and finacially.

I am actually surprised that Obama showed up at the debate instead of having dinner with that CRAZY from Iran who wants to “Wipe Israel off the map!” As to the Crazy’s dinner partners? Unfortunately, I have more than “A passing acquaintance” with those groups – NUFF SAID!!

So, Obama had to look at the soldier’s name. Big deal.My own mother calls me by my sister’s name on occasion. He meets thousands of people daily.McCain had planned on mentioning the bracelet and had plenty of time to memorize the name. He remembered what the woman said. That’s the important point.

No For my self I own a Buissness
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As a woman with a child who stutters, it does not have anything to do with intelligence. Obama stutters. So do millions of other people. It dosen’t mean they are dumb. It’s called a handicap. Like McCain’s deformed limbs. He can’t shake hands properly, or comb his own hair. So I guess that means he’s dumb too.

It’s sad that the average Americans IQ is just above 90 and the Obama campaign know that. They repeat talking points over and over again so most people would think them facts. For you Obama lovers, look at the history of the Soviet Unions socialistic experiment and tell me how well that went. Then relly look into Obama’s proposed programs. You will see he and the far far left of the Democratic party it try to convert our government to the United Socialist State of America. He has always espoused a socialist government. But most of America goes with a sound bite and does not research. Kinda like how they pick celebrities.

This correspondent is not paying attention. Kissinger showed that both men represented his position appropriately. McCain said that Kissinger did not support president-to-president talks, which is true, and Obama said that Kissinger supported starting at a lower level, which is also true. McCain tried (successfully for the media, it would seem) to represent Obama as saying that Kissinger approved president-to-president talks. Obama’s point was that Kissinger approved beginning talks now, without preconditions. It was the question of preconditions, and what preconditions vs. prepration means, which was at issue. McCain is attempting to cast Obama’s statement that we should sit down without preconditions as amounting to capitulation or agreement with a rogue nation’s policies. Obama, on the other hand, defined preconditions as meaning that we refuse to sit down until the other country modifies their policies to suit what we are looking for (ie, what the talks are supposed to accomplish), before we will talk with them. Keep in mind that we did not follow this policy with the Korean conflict, the Cuban missle crisis, the Yalta conference (FDR had major issues with Stalin but still tried to manipulate events in the US’s favor), etc. This is a new Bush policy, and as Obama pointed out, it has been fruitless in the case of North Korea. But I digress… So, in the end, this supposed “fact check” was performed by someone who didn’t follow the argument. I guess that’s what happens when you view the debates as a contest, rather than a debate of the issues. The media likes fights, controversy, conflicts, and inflammatory sound bites.

As a woman with a child who stutters, it does not have anything to do with intelligence. Obama stutters. So do millions of other people. It dosen’t mean they are dumb. It’s called a handicap. Like McCain’s deformed limbs. He can’t shake hands properly, or comb his own hair. So I guess that means he’s dumb too.
Posted by: hannah | Sep 27, 2008 9:40:19 AM
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Isn’t that annoying?
I do feel petty, but GODDD! I HATE IT when I see him do that wicked GRIN of a smile! like someone told him “now SMILE! aaaand now DONT” lol but seriously his short arms are awkward to look at to say the least. just as awkward as Cindy’s overly surgical face, wicked 80′s stripper hair and Carrie Bradshaw on Crack wardrobe.
Yes I was so into Obama’s stuttering before, i saw him make an effort and that kind of made him cute lol! I think if he did lose, it will have the “BUSH KERRY” effect, where people just felt bad for the guy.
WAS IT ME OR WAS MCCAIN SPECIALLY WHITER LAST NIGHT? he looked ghostly!

Posted by: GIGI | Sep 27, 2008 9:37:39 AM I would love to hire you.You seem very genuine and caring and I am sorry you and anyone goes through the tough situations in life.I dont like to think of Myself as a republican I like to believ I am more centered than that.I believe either party has good points and bad I also believe that too far left is just as bad as too far right.I would love to expand my buissness to more locations not for greed but I enjoy what I do and I think what I do I do well and The service that I provide is fair and honest and would like more people to be treated that way
Posted by: reddog0216 | Sep 27, 2008 9:44:32 AM
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WEll I got about 1200 clamoring my name and waiting for me to come back!!!! LOL!
DUNNO WHAT YOU DO but HIRE ME ANYWAYS!!!! LOL!
alas, my business is doomed! NO investors and NO million dollars in any bank to back it up! so maybe your industry is doing well, but entertainment and leisure is a thing of the past
:(

Posted by: GIGI | Sep 27, 2008 9:49:12 AM but entertainment and leisure is a thing of the past
:( Things will come back I think what really hurt the cruise industry was all that disease stuff for a while and 9/11 scared alot of people from that as well.
Hey I have been on 5 cruises I really want to do the one to alaska Have wanted to for years One day i will

Quoting the article:”Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger came to the defense of longtime friend Sen. John McCain following Friday’s presidential debate saying he “would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level.”"
How did I know this would happen the day after the debates?
If you actually listened, Obama said LOW LEVEL DIPLOMATIC MEETINGS…
Stop twisting things.

Reddog….I agree with John,….BUT…Obama agrees with some of the same issues as McCain, it’s the lines that come after the BUT that you need to pay attention to.I find it interesting that the only thing McCain supporters can come back with out of 2 hours of debate are 4 little words. Yes, not all of us disagree with everything McCain says, but there are major differences between the candidates. McCain is a continuation of the current administration. If you like your life then I suppose you picked the right guy. Just don’t enlist or try to get a loan. Or sell your house,or fill your car up, or buy groceries, or get sick, or retire, or try to go to college, or heat your home, or have children, or take care of yout elderly parents,or live in the midwest,or find a decent paying job, or take a vacation,or pay your bills,or…..

To GIGI:
So you are an ANTI-WAR protester with bitterness toward immigration and health are issues.
McCain “bucked” his party on these issues, so you should be happy with his positions. What’s the problem?
Obama will promise you anything to get your vote, then what, Obama FIRST!
I read your “description” it seems to me Obama would be the LAST person you want to be NEAR.
Posted by: Voter In America | Sep 27, 2008 9:42:02 AM
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mmmmmm! I LOOOOOVE been typecasted! what a warm feeling!
DUDE, if that’s what you read… good for you! I’m just trying man! working and trying and don’t get me wrong! I strongly believe “obstacles” is another name for MOTIVATION.
I have always have nothing but HIGH admiration, respect and undeterred fanatism for John McCain!! REALLY! I don’t care about the stepford wife, the cheating, the sprinkled fibs here and there… I even disregard his utter lack of dimplomacy (CHELSEA CLINTON?! she’s a KID!? lol!) DUDE IS A HERO IN MY BOOK!
BUT he’s TOO OLD!
I’m not gambling my government away to an under-educated (I HAVE MORE FORMAL EDUCATION THAN HIS VP!) pregnancy-addict, shady woman who can’t tell foreign policy from geography.
Even if he survives his full term, he is already showing signs of his age taking over his COMPETENCE.
and of course there’s that George W Bush thing… I just despise the man with a hate that knows no boundaries.

Posted by: Bea | Sep 27, 2008 9:58:40 AM I can see from your statments that you are very set in your beleif that it is more of the same but I think you blame the wrong people.More of the same would be Obama doing nothing except raising taxes and giving away the store

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DO YOU LIKE HEAVY METAL? I am a pseudo-celebrity in that genre! I can get you free ticks & VIP to ANYTHING! LOL
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Hmm…You are SMART, HOTTER, and you collected UNEMPLOYMENT!
What happens to all the degrees and different languages, diplomat, VIP, etc…?
Posted by: Voter In America | Sep 27, 2008 9:55:35 AM
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um, do you read?
I have never in my life collected unemployment (IS THIS HOW YOU PEOPLE GET YOUR FACTS? I MEAN… YOU CAN SCROLL UP AND ACTUALLY READ WHAT I WROTE!) LOL!!
I applied because my employer TOLD ME SO, they laid us off! lol! I worked for them for 8 years! – IS THIS SARAH PALIN?
YES my diplomas hang in my bedroom collecting dust. We got laid off in March, and I’ve been trying to start my own business but my only investors come from abroad and even though the Canadian dollar is stronger than the US Dollar (and it will most likely be that way for a WHILE) my US Vendors won’t accept LC’s from Canadian Banks.
what’s your point? you want to invest? I lol! put your $$ where your big mouth is and I’ll make you RICH! lol!

Get educated, “Proud”.
You said:”McCain of course believes in open communication.”
Like singing ‘Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran…’?
Like saying awful things about Chelsea Clinton when she was only 18?
Like making fun of France?
Like cursing and losing his hair trigger temper?
Are those examples of “open communication”?
He acts like a child, and does not belong in the white house.
Obama said he would talk to anyone he pleased- so what. NOT TALKING TO OUR ENEMIES HAS NOT RESULTED IN ANYTHING GOOD. Tell me how it has helped, why don’t you. Go back and listen to Obama mention low level meetings, also.

This the Democratic Leadership!
On Tuesday:
“We need the Republican nominee for president to let us know where he stands and what we should do.”
On Wednesday:
“it would not be helpful at this time to have [Barack Obama and John McCain] come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy. … We need leadership; not a campaign photo op.”
On Thursday afternoon:
With the economic news only getting worse each day, I call on the President, Senator McCain and Congressional Republicans to join us to quickly get this done for American families.
On Thursday afternoon
Harry Reid says he’s not scheduling any votes in the Senate for Friday.
The reason: He says he wants to give John McCain “no excuse” for missing Friday night’s presidential debate.
On Thursday night:
“I would suggest that anyone in that meeting who tried to understand what John McCain said at that meeting, couldn’t,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada told reporters Thursday evening.
McCain was the last one to speak at the White House meeting, Reid said, and he “didn’t say anything substantive. … John McCain did nothing to help, he only hurt the process,” Reid said, further chastising McCain for calling for a delay in Friday’s presidential debate in Mississippi. “We should not let this little effort to avoid participating in the debates sidetrack this most important issue,” Reid said.
Quite a PERFORMANCE for Harry Reid!
With Obama talking in a CIRCLE and Harry Reid lost puppy, I can IMAGINE what EXACTLY the Democrats have DONE/ACCOMPLISHED?

GIGI, what on earth are you babbling about? My point was people are judging Obama’s intelligence because of his stuttering. It is not cute or funny. And neither is McCain’s handicap funny. Do you speak english? You obviously have no understanding of the English language or the use of irony.

suppose you picked the right guy. Just don’t enlist or try to get a loan. Or sell your house,or fill your car up, or buy groceries, or get sick, or retire, or try to go to college, or heat your home, or have children, or take care of yout elderly parents,or live in the midwest,or find a decent paying job, or take a vacation,or pay your bills,or…..
Posted by: Bea | Sep 27, 2008 9:58:40 AM
———————-
BEA,
There’s this city in Florida, DORAL FL that saw a HUGE building boom four years ago, it was RIDICULOUS! I lived there until suddenly everything started to go downhill… people were buying million dollar houses like there were on the McDonald’s value menu…
NOW?? ENTIRE BLOCK AFTER BLOCKS out for sale! people are taking 25% or more LESS than what they paid! and they still owe MORE … it’s RIDICULOUS!
I kept wondering “WHO IS BUYING ALL THESE HOUSES?”
Seven years ago I remember going to the gas station with my huge belly (I was preggers’) to pump gas for .99 cents a gallon… NOW? if I see a gas station offering $3.90 I HIT THEM BRAKES and fill up no matter if I need gas or not! lol
THOSE WHO DON’T STUDY THE PAST, GET AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO REPEAT IT.

VOTE4BARACK
“MCCAIN ACTS LIKE A CHILD?” PROFOUND, RATIONAL THOUGHT?? GUESS YOU PRETTY MUCH PROVED MY POINT ABOUT THE LIBS, THANKS!!

There’s this city in Florida, DORAL FL that saw a HUGE building boom four years ago, it was RIDICULOUS! I lived there until suddenly everything started to go downhill… people were buying million dollar houses like there were on the McDonald’s value menu…
NOW?? ENTIRE BLOCK AFTER BLOCKS out for sale! people are taking 25% or more LESS than what they paid! and they still owe MORE … it’s RIDICULOUS!
I kept wondering “WHO IS BUYING ALL THESE HOUSES?”
Seven years ago I remember going to the gas station with my huge belly (I was preggers’) to pump gas for .99 cents a gallon… NOW? if I see a gas station offering $3.90 I HIT THEM BRAKES and fill up no matter if I need gas or not! lol
THOSE WHO DON’T STUDY THE PAST, GET AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO REPEAT IT.
Posted by: GIGI | Sep 27, 2008 10:15:30 AM
And there we have the problem ladies and gentlemen DING DING DING
People were buying houses they could not afford because it was easy to get credit which drove up the prices on house becaus we all learned about supply and demand so cheap housing soared to all time highs people bought up instead of buying responsibly

Slightly O/T, but Obama made a huge foreign policy gaffe (besides saying that Iran is not a threat then saying that it is) when he talked about Iran becoming a threat AFTER we went after Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
Saddam Hussein admitted, while in prison awaiting his execution, that he wanted the world to believe that he had WMD’s because he was afraid of Iran.
To suggest that Iran became a threat because we invaded Iraq may be the single biggest foreign policy gaffe of Obama’s entire campaign.
So meeting with the Hitler of Iran may seem like a diplomatic way of settling a dispute, but McCain appears to be correct by saying that meeting with Iran would only validate their negative actions.
Just my $0.02.

YES YES YES reddog… I see you took your daily McBush medicine? lol!
sorry man! I LIKE YOU I DO, you’re my future boss…
BUT COME OOOON!!!
“TEN Years or so ago, we had such a good situation, cuz i wasn’t president yet and hand’t had a chance to screw things up, and you all got so used to having money and been all like, rich and stuff… that you seem to forget that I became president and screwed things up… you see… so that’s why our economy is so bad. Had your Democratic government not taken us into a surplus, this would have never happened”
LOL!
well at least that’s what I heard.

Bea – If you DON’T like your life then vote for Obama because we’ll be more likely to be attacked by terrorists again if he implements his foreign policy.

Kissinger Defends McCain’s Iran Stance
So who is walking back who’s statement? I Guess that Kissinger had one of those misspeaks.
I think everyone knows where Obama is coming from after 8 years of not talking to anyone, some would say even with our friends, Obama wishes to open up some dialog.
John incase you don’t understand dialog means that the other person gets to talk too. You migfht have to look them in the eye though John. I know, I know that can be hard for you.

Our economy is so bad because. we have been over spending.we need to slow that down Not stiffle it with higher taxes explain this simply If you raise my taxes and my payroll taxes which I pay for the employees do you think that one or two things are going to happen I will have to raise my costs to the consumer or eliminate jobs to stay competitive so we get inflation or job loss

Manitu,
Is ‘VOTE4BARACK…”MCCAIN ACTS LIKE A CHILD?” PROFOUND, RATIONAL THOUGHT?? GUESS YOU PRETTY MUCH PROVED MY POINT ABOUT THE LIBS, THANKS!!”‘ the best you can do?
Why don’t you put some substance behind your words and address the actual points in my post.
We can start with McCain singing,’Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran”.
How is that professional or adult?
Not the behavior of a leader.
McCain will get us all killed. He is unnecessarily antagonistic, not a good tactic to use with lunatics.
OBAMA/BIDEN 08!

McCain is entirely in favor of engaging Iran,..with a nuclear missle.

“I am very frustrated to hear that Kissinger defends McCain’s stance. Did they watch the debate entirely??? At one point, McCain says “Dr. Kissinger did not say he would approve a face to face meeting between the president of the United States and the pres- Ahmadinejad, he did not say that” and there you hear Obama say “OF COURSE NOT”, but McCain keeps going… “He said there could be secretary level…” So they DO agree on that point, and Kissinger does agree with Obama that USA can talk with Iran without preconditions. “The idea is that we do not expect to solve every problem before we initiate talks.” – Obama”
-posted by Hugo
GREAT POST!

Seriously … how can anyone quote Dr. Strangelove in dealing with foreign policy? This guy is as goofy as McSame is … no wonder they agree. Strangelove has a long history of failed wars, gaffes, and downright stupid policies and McSame has the stupidity to claim this joker as an expert … yes … an expert in what NOT to do. Good Grief.

So sick of the POW bull and I spoke to veterans I have a braclet well,you know so do many others and they are not bragging Sick of hearing how McBush is the only one who knows this war.Like he put us therein the first place.No on the job training with Biden by his side he will be in good hands So Mc Clone go screw.

VOTE4BARACK
OK, I’ll bite – when and where did McCain sing, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran – I must have missed that. Source? … AND THAT.. IS ALSO… PROFOUND!! YOUR POINT IS THAT MCCAIN IS TRIGGER HAPPY? YOU REALLY DON”T KNOW MUCH ABOUT MCCAIN. NO SURPRISE THAT YOUR ANNOINTED ONE IS THE FAVORITE OF THE TERRORISTS!! AS I MENTIONED ABOVE, IT DOESN’T TAKE A BRAIN SURGEON TO FIGURE OUT WHY!!

Jo sweet to you he didn”t LIE go read for yourself ……Laugh is on you sweetie

Then again, Ayers did hire Obama to run a multi-million dollar enterprise with no experience to give out tens millions of dollars to help Chicago schools with no noticeable improvement.
The same Ayers who Obama said was “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood”.

Jimbo,
I got no beef against you man.
It’s good to know a Republican who voted for Kerry.

When did Obama agree to oil drilling? Did he flip flop last night? BTW, why did Obama said “your President Bush” to McCain; isn’t not President Bush everyone’s president in America? Obama needs to go back to France, they would support his socialist programs.
Obama was very rude for talking over McCain. Obama also seemed very uptight when things did not go his way, no very presidential.

OH! you weren’t talking about THAT veteran of war who married money?
sorry my bad.

LOL! Weekly magazines MUST HATE the McCain campaign!
I just got my Sept 29 edition (subscribers get it early) AND IT SAYS REPUBLICANS ARE AGAINST REGULATION lol!
guess they should have waited til’ the morning to print! LOL!

I was struck hard when talking about President Bush’s economic policies, Obama looked at McCain and referred to Bush as “your President”. If I were McCain, I’d have called him out on that because, however one feels about Bush, he is “Our President”. This is what’s wrong with our politics today…..it’s us against them and there is no respecft at all. Obama’s comment just proves that he doesn’t have it in him to be “bipartisan”. Even though I was highly embarassed at Clinton’s activities for 8 years in the White House, he was still “Our President”.

Obama lies; Kissinger replies!

Does that sneering steal eye “black thug” stare that Obama has freak out anyone else? I could never except him as the leader of my country.

Obama made note of China’s manned space program and space walk. He said just another example of USA failed education. He may not know it but the US did both of those things more than 40 years ago. While he is correct that the goverement school systems have falling since the mid 60s I wonder why, what happen to the school systems in the mid to late 60s?

Okay OBAMAIANS!! Here is the actual statement fromt he official transcripts:
OBAMA: Look, I mean, Senator McCain keeps on using this example that suddenly the president would just meet with somebody without doing any preparation, without having low-level talks. Nobody’s been talking about that, and Senator McCain knows it. This is a mischaracterization of my position.
When we talk about preconditions — and Henry Kissinger did say we should have contacts without preconditions — the idea is that we do not expect to solve every problem before we initiate talks.
PLEASE NOTE: NOWHERE EVER HAS KISSENGER STATED THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD SIT DOWN WITH ANY WORLD LEADER WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS!

If a person is serious and really thinks who should lead us and your honest with yourself lastnight showed that person is McCain. He was calm, knew all the answers and secure in his statements. Obama looked unhealthy, angery and just fumbled around trying to answer without looking like a college debate student. You might say you are going to vote for Obama but when a person gets in there to pull that lever they will pull it for someone they know and trust. McCain

I agree Dean, it seemed as if McCain was just reacting, giving frank answers from his own thoughts and opinions. And Obama gave only calculated, carefully worded answers and said a lot of and uh’s while he tried to gather his train of thought. I just believe McCain’s yrs of real experience are much more presidential than Obamas created saga with no real experience to back it up.

Let’s be clear, the headline shouldn’t read as it stands. In the article, it’s mentioned:
While it appears Kissinger and Senator Barack Obama disagree on what level those talks should occur, they do agree talks should begin, in Kissinger’s words, “at a very high level” and without preconditions.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Kissinger would try to lie for McCain…after all this is the same man who said that “military men are “dumb, stupid animals to be used” as pawns for foreign policy.”

Obama won, period. Delude yourself all you want it doesnt matter. Obama was not looking for the name he was remembering the mothers name, if you jackass republicans would of even paid attention. He merely is poiniting out that Mcain tries to win the presidency by being a POW and being a wearer of a dead soldiers bracelet. As a former Army Infantryman I find it more disrespectful to use a dead soldier as a political attempt to win an election. Lastly, Mcain said all the same crap he said at the convention, I got a record, I was a POW. A vote for Mcain is a vote for the continual decline of this country. Think for youself America, your party should not think for you.
Kissinger back peddles and Obama did not say presidential talks from the start. Also, for those who thinks we shouldn’t talk, well that is why we are in the mess in the first place, this is the 21st century we need to be more diplomatic and less trigger happy.

Kissinger has a spotty record
of giving both good and bad
advice to the presidents he
served.
He’s more sophisticated than
McCain to whom war is a
recreational game in which
he’s a spectator and other
people are dying and diplomacy
not worth the effort.

Lol, just researching something about debate and found this interesting tidbit… seems Barack’s church (which he’s disowned, denounced, etc as EVER having had an affiliation with is being investigated for using their church as a political tax-free forum for the Democratic Presidential candidate Mr. Barack Obama… this was found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ and it says:
Barack Obama’s membership in the UCC
In June 2007, US Presidential candidate and longtime UCC member Barack Obama was invited to speak at the UCC’s Iowa Conference meeting and also at the General Synod 26 a week later in Hartford, Connecticut.[37] A complaint was subsequently filed with the Internal Revenue Service alleging that the UCC promoted Obama’s candidacy by allowing him to speak at those meetings.[38]
Barry Lynn, an ordained UCC minister and the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, stated that although he personally would not have invited a Presidential candidate to speak at the meetings, he believed “the Internal Revenue Service permits this to happen.”[39] The church had consulted with lawyers prior to the event to make sure they were following the law and had instructed those in attendance that no Obama campaign material would be allowed in the meeting. Nevertheless, in February 2008, the IRS sent a letter to the church stating that it was launching an inquiry into the matter.[40]
On February 27, 2008, in an open letter to UCC members, Rev. John Thomas announced the creation of The UCC Legal Fund, to aid in the denomination’s defense against the IRS.[41] While the denomination expects legal expenses to surpass six figures, it halted donations after raising $59,564 in less than a week.

Kissinger does not, however, support the U.S. president personally engaging in those talks, a point which McCain sought to drive home during the debate…
If ANYONE can show a single quote from Kissinger saying the President should meet/negotiate with leaders of enemy countries such as Iran, let’s see it.
Since you’ll all such experts on what Kissinger thinks, that shouldn’t be hard.

Problem: We have videotape showing Kissinger saying exactly word for word what Obama said Kissinger said.
Oops!
I think somebody needs to explain those You Tubes to Grampa Henry and Grampa McCain.

Jimbo ……He always brings it up to use it for the soft hearted poeple who are stupid enought to vote for hm.I know many pows and their ideas for this country are a hell of a lot better then some of his….

Since CNN can’t compete with FOX NEWS in viewers, I’d trust FOX long before I’d trust any CNN voting poll results of who won the debate.
Obama, as most liberals do, attempted to manipulate the debate. When he couldn’t find an answer fast enough he had to search for words. Wagging his finger at the moderator and interrupting McCain, showed me that Obama is a novice political clown who has no experience and does show the qualities of being a leader. Could you see him in the Oval Office attempting to persuade diplomats with a wagging finger? Obama is indecisive, arrogant, and has poor judgment. Wrong candidate, wrong time, and choice Obama.
Leaders are developed over time and Obama hasn’t got it.

“McCain says “Dr. Kissinger did not say he would approve a face to face meeting between the president of the United States and the pres- Ahmadinejad, he did not say that” and there you hear Obama say “OF COURSE NOT”, but McCain keeps going… “He said there could be secretary level…” So they DO agree on that point, and Kissinger does agree with Obama that USA can talk with Iran without preconditions. “The idea is that we do not expect to solve every problem before we initiate talks.” – Obama”
The problem here is that Obama has been consistent in saying that as President, HE would meet with these heads of state without preconditions. It was a big issue in the Democratic Primary, so he changed his statement for the general election.
Senator Obama lacks conviction. He clearly demonstrated in the debate that he is nothing more than an arrogant, talking head politician.
It was obvious watching his performance that he studied well while in seclusion this past week preparing for the debate. How pathetic is it that a Presidential candidate, at this point in the election, must study for a week to prepare for a debate with his opponent. Shouldn’t he know the issues, his proposed policies, and those of his opponent forward and backward by now? Shouldn’t he have his presentation well polished by now?
If Senator Obama truly had the knowledge, skills, intuition, and strength of character required of the President, the answer to these questions would be a resounding “Yes”. Unfortunately, the more he talks, the more doubt he creates.

“Leaders are developed over time…”
Excellent point.

I a Army Veteran for Obama!!! Obama was outstanding in the debate and McCain was angry as always!!

I was an Obama supporter for a long time partly because I believed in the things he said and that he was going to be a different type of politician–that he was not going to play dirty like the rest of the politicians.
Also, I thought McCain was the worst person to ever run for President.
I wanted to know more about my hero Obama, but I wasn’t getting much information from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, or most of the newspapers I read. All said Obama was the greatest, but not why.
I found other sources, apparently unbiased sources that researched Obama and McCain. They didn’t seem to agree completely with either candidate.
The more I learned about Obama, the more disillusioned I became.
Obama is the candidate fo cange, but he has a goon squad in Missouri to arrest anyone who says anything bad about him!
Obama’s idea of change is turning the United States into the former Soviet Union–no free speech unless it is good about Obama.
Now, I still not a cheerleader for McCain, but I will vote for McCain to vote against Obama.
Do yourself a favor–research both candidates and ask why Palin’s daughter was investigated more in three days than Obama in two years!
Obama is reckless and dangerous! Don’t take my word, research it yourself!

It’s a good thing the independents will get to decide who wins this election… I enjoyed Obama running rings around McCain on the economic topics; too bad he wasn’t able to answer the question on what he would have to cut back in light of the bailout. Meanwhile, McCain wiped the floor with Obama on foreign policy.

GIGI are you there are you okay???

I think Obama was a bit rattled but I also thought he handled it well

QUESTION: How will a far-left candidate, who has NO record of bipartisan achievement on economic issues or fiscal policy, convince voters that he’s the right man for the job?
During the debate, McCain offered a freeze on discretionary spending, and hammered the point that he had been trying to rein in government spending for his entire career. Obama, on the other hand, offered a laundry list of spending increases. In what way, Bob, does that represent “running rings” around McCain unless you’re just speaking from a rhetorical perspective?
Has McCain consistently prevailed in trying to limit spending? No, he hasn’t. All too often our elected leaders have chosen to spend irresponsibly on pork projects for their districts and have allowed themselves to be influenced by special interest lobbyists.
McCain has often gone “against the grain” by opposing such legislation. The bill that included funding for the “Bridge to Nowhere” is a prime example. McCain opposed this bill, while Obama and Biden supported it.

“historyremembered | Sep 27, 2008 1:44:21 PM”
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Spelling and grammar aside, you MUST be kidding…

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Speak up NOW!! Fox News is reporting as we speak that the Democratic proposal will give a full 20% of any profits realized from this bailout to ACORN!!! OMG! They are the racist mafia/NAACP organization that blackmailed the financial institutes into giving out all these useless loans to people who could not repay them because they said banks could not as a black man for verification of income or of his job because that was “discrimination” against the poor and they deserved houses too! OMG! Tell them all to get off their butts and work like the rest of us that pay all those taxes so they can draw that “check” every month and then they can scream they deserve houses too! Please find your states’ representatives’ pages and write them NOW and don’t let them send OUR TAX DOLLARS TO ACORN!!!

HAHAHA, OBsama got jacked up big time! What a freakin’ liar, this loonytooncoon.

KISSENGER is trying to backtrack from his support for direct diplomacy with Iran, and many former secretaries of state agree with that position. To my knowledge, and high-level diplomatic talks between states begin with the secretary of state, so McCain is just splitting hairs.
See: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/20/se.01.html
Here is a direct quote:
BAKER: We’re all saying you ought to engage, I think. I dont know. I haven’t heard Henry. He may not.
(LAUGHTER)
KISSINGER: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we — we know we’re dealing with authentic…
(CROSSTALK)
SESNO: Put at a very high level right out of the box?
KISSINGER: Initially, yes. And I always believed that the best way to begin a negotiation is to tell the other side exactly what you have in mind and what you are — what the outcome is that you’re trying to achieve so that they have something that they can react to.
Now, the permanent members of the Security Council, plus Japan and Germany, have all said nuclear weapons in Iran are unacceptable. They’ve never explained what they mean by this. So if we go into a negotiation, we ought to have a clear understanding of what is it we’re trying to prevent. What is it going to do if we can’t achieve what we’re talking about?
But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government.

Some folk don’t have to wear an American flag pin in order to discern their reputed allegiance. O has to prove his love of country, Commander McCain has already past that test. Even if left leaning military folk don’t agree with Mr. McCain’s policies, they still highly appreciate his sacrifice and sense of duty. That is too much for the man-child to overcome in terms of the mil-vote. O can’t hold a candle to John’s commitment. It’s simple political arithmetic to KNOW intimately all facts surrounding the death of a fallen hero if you chose to use their sacrosanct service as a mere political prop. Clinton would even understand that. Tortured POW stauts gives Mr. McCain an implicit pass on this on folks. If W did something like that, the BM(big media) would never shut up about it. Obvious serious gaffe swept under the debate stage. Ya boy got schooled last night and y’all are too caught up to know it.
the Deets

Folks, it’s simple really…
Obama, by his own words which are on record, is willing meet with the LEADERS of Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS.
Now, decide for yourselves if this a good idea and ignore all the other background noise coming from a rather panicked Obama campaign.

“Here is the transcript of the back and forth and Barack Obama NEVER said Kissinger advocated Presidential talks.”
Of course not. That’s because Obama is a master at parsing his language and intent after being caught advocating a position that most Americans find appalling.
Please “sgwhiteinfla”… please tell us Obama didn’t mean what he said in the CNN primary debate.

historyremembered – you’re really a piece of work, you know that? LOL!
See why McCain and followers of Palin’s “Sasquatch Squad” have a secret plan to steal ballot boxes in the dead of night in our inner cities.
Watch CNN and MSNBC at 10pm for details!! MUWAHAHA…

Ya’ll we have a month before the elections, but they are going to vote on this bailout NOW!!
Speak up NOW!! Fox News is reporting as we speak that the Democratic proposal will give a full 20% of any profits realized from this bailout to ACORN!!! OMG! They are the racist mafia/NAACP organization that blackmailed the financial institutes into giving out all these useless loans to people who could not repay them because they said banks could not as a black man for verification of income or of his job because that was “discrimination” against the poor and they deserved houses too! OMG! Tell them all to get off their butts and work like the rest of us that pay all those taxes so they can draw that “check” every month and then they can scream they deserve houses too! Please find your states’ representatives’ pages and write them NOW and don’t let them send OUR TAX DOLLARS TO ACORN!!!

Obama has my vote. I was impressed by his attitude and his demeanor during the debate as well as his answers. He doesn’t come across as just another condescending politician. He has great ideas for our country. He had a terrific response to that McCain “bracelet” talk that we have heard before. None of our soldiers have died in vane. They have all done their best and given the ultimate for their country. The problem is the leaders who have put them in harms way to satisfy their own agendas. This talk about Obama having to read the name on his bracelet is just spin. He is the real deal and I think that Senator Obama is our best choice for president.

With Obama, it’s all about appearances and flowing rhetoric. With McCain, it’s about substance, experience and personal sacrifice. That’s what came through during the debate.
Sorry, but during these perilous times, I just don’t trust the rookie politician from Chicago.

Obama is a very, very dangerous person with many axes to grind. Why are liberals so intent on electing him?!? Bush Derangement Syndrome, that’s why! I can’t stand Bush either, but I’m smart enough to look at all the facts and vote for the most experienced, most qualified candidate, and that is John McCain!

With this proposed bailout package, which thankfully will be rejected, Chris Dodd and his friends want to take good care of ACORN, the housing advocacy group currently under investigation for voter registration fraud.
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/09/socialism-in-on.html
Crony capitalism at its worst…

Young-voter said:
Obama has made it very clear before, and did again tonight that he didn’t think such talks should begin at the presidential level. So, this statement that Kissinger disagrees with Obama starts with the incorrect assumption that McCain’s misstatement of Obama’s position is accurate.
Here is Obama’s statement during the debate:
“There’s a difference between preconditions and preparation. Of course we’ve got to do preparations, starting with low-level diplomatic talks…”
Contained in the article above these comments:
According to Obama’s official website he supports “direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.”
Seems Kissinger has the facts and young-voter doesn’t.

You folks need to realize that Palin is just a VP candidate and she has let McCain shine. I thought McCain did very well for the first debate. He had substance when he discussed about tax reform, foreign policy, and domestic issues. He was calm and did well to counter Obama. I loved this debate.
Obama, on the other hand, was a sweet little kid from college wanting to shut the old man up every time McCain scored big on his part of the rebuttal. I think Obama respects McCain and was listening with admiration for the old and wise man. Obama needs the ears of experience to understand what McCain was saying about foreign policy and the tax.
Concerning foreign policy, I do believe that what Mr. Kissinger stated was taken out of context. Thanks to the Cat Couric. She called to make sure that McCain’s interpretation was wrong and Obama was right. Who cares what Mr. Kissinger says at this point? No pun intended. We have to negotiate with dictators with preconditions. What Kissinger meant was that we have to talk to the high level officials with no preconditions and that meant Secretary of State, etc. and not with the president himself.
In other words, we are dealing with folks who have ideologies that are different from ours. We have a democratic principles, in that we would like to liberate folks from all over the world from bondage to their cultures, religiosity, or other social factors that have hindered them to be their own voice, for example, Russia with its communistic views and dictatorship is so isolated that they feel they are not equal with the U.S. and other liberated European nations. Russians have to keep friends with Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and others who embrace their form of ideologies or govt. I am sure the Emirates have joined the U.S. and so are enjoying the fruits and are supporting the U.S. in times of financial crisis. If Russians want to be equal with the U.S., then they should start believing in democracy. The same rule implies to the Iranian govt. Again, Obama did not mention Israel in his debate.
After the debate and McCain’s speech, I was inspired as to the governance of Iran and Russia. They are bent on destruction to the U.S. and Israel.
Stop badgering Palin. She has a common sense. Like most people knew where Iraq and Kuwait was on the map. They learned it by exposure to the world events. So let Palin be Palin.
Vote McCain/Palin!

Honorable,good post and I strongly concur….enough of the bail out nonsense.

I think we really need to remember what a smooth talker the serpent was in the garden when he was talking eve into eating from the tree. We need to be very cautious of our choices,Obama is an awfully smooth talker. We need to use common sense, we always want the easy way out,but just look around us the easy way out has clearly not been easy. As a matter of fact the so called “easy way out” is the reason were in the situation we are in now. There is never anything easy about cleaning up a disaster, whether caused by earthquake, hurricane or terrorism. We need to stop seeking the “easy way” and pull ourselves up by the bootstraps so that we can finish what we started properly, and then begin restoration. But we need to remember that this won’t happen without us repenting of our selfishness, laziness and all of our sins . We have a God who loves us, He’s not angry, He’s sad. God is Holy, Righteous and Just, He can not allow wickedness to endure forever. He does not want anyone to perish. So Loving us to the point of giving His only Son (whom He loves dearly) over to be the sacrifice for our sin, because there must be an atonement of blood for sin. This is how much GOD ALMIGHTY and JESUS CHRIST our LORD and SAVIOR loves us. We need only ask Him for His forgiveness, and from that very moment healing begins. It will take longer than we would like, but if we don’t give in it will be brought about. As the prophet Jeremiah said in the bible(not just for Israel, we are a nation founded on the same God) Jer.4:1-2″if you will return, O Israel, return to me, declares the Lord. if you put your detestable idols out of my sight and no longer go astray, and if in a truthful, just and righteous way you swear, as surely as the Lord lives, then the nations will be blessed by Him and in Him they will glory.” This stands for us as well as Israel and the choice is left up to us!

Wonderful.It was Kissinger..kiss your freedom goodby..when the Viet Cong had some 250,000 troops in South Vietnam,he ordered our troops to not attack them.but stand tall..they didnt and did and within two weeks had to scamble for their lives to get out of Nam..another no win war..like termites they gnaw at the lifeboat of freedom…sigh

Try closing your eyes and listening to the entire debate.
I was actually impressed with Mc Cain.
His age had me convinced that he might not stand up to a trainned attorney.
It was actually Obama flustered , stuttering, and suffering from age farts. John was called Tom and Jim by the candidate, who reminded me of the little dog jumping around SPIKE.

There are a huge number of idiots on this board. I cannot believe the amount of lunacy here. Please stop listening to Faux news and READ a newspaper or a book or two. If you don’t like the NY Times, try the Wall Street Journal or the Washington Post. These are not liberal newspaper, they are both very conservative but they only print real news – not the crap that you people appear to be consuming. The economic proposal is not a democratic plan, but a republican plan. McCain told more lies than Obama. Obama had his facts correct – McCain barely used any facts and kept referring to things that happened before half of the country was born. This guy is erratic and unpredictable. Can you people honestly say that you would be comfortable with him at the helm? Palin is an idiot. McCain is 100 years old. BE SERIOUS. THIS MAKES NO SENSE. PICK THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE COUNTRY. OBAMA IS NOT DANGEROUS. HE IS AN AMERICAN JUST LIKE YOU. STOP LOOKING FOR REASONS NOT TO LIKE HIM.

They are both lying and exaggerating… they are both career politicians in the highest stakes battle for power possible in the world. Go googling fact checks and you’ll find everybody lying. The founding fathers are turning over in their graves to face away from the failed 2-party system.
Palin is just eye candy and an estrogen voting magnet, incapable of leadership or answering a question. Biden was about as stupid of a choice. He is such a career politician and compulsive liar he can’t help making shhh up because it sounds good at the time.

It was funny to Watch what happened at the Debate. McCain was caught Lying about what happened to the War. See why the candidates may not be ready for VP debate at CNN and MSNBC.
McCain may be ready for a DRAFT up palins skirt. hee hee

“President Eisenhower” (yes, PRESIDENT Eisenhower) was doing during WWII? Ike didn’t become president till 1953!”
So you are suggesting President Eisenhower did NOT infact lead the D-Day landings? Your comment is silly. You still call him “president Eisenhower” even if it happened before he was president. Did President GHWBush fight in WWII? Yes or no? Yes, of course – as a young man!

Obama would say anything just to get elected!
LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIR

aha! Barack Obama caught MAKING STUFF UP again!

This is an excellent article , I’m grateful to you , thanks a lot .

ASK KISSINGER ABOUT HIS ABOUT HIS CLIENT BIN LADEN

What is so wrong with talking to Iran? It isn’t like Bush’s solution to bombing Iraq and Afghanistan has helped improve the situation in either country (terrorism) or changed how we are viewed by the people. The idea that America will flex its muscle if you don’t stay in line has vanished from the minds of the international community. We don’t scare anyone and if sitting down and talking about issues is wrong, why do we have a government?

I have been waiting to hear FROM OTHERS REGARDING THE comment made by Obama during his Sunday interview with George Stephanopoulos
a week ago last Sunday….George asked Obama if the question regarding his religion had been put to rest………
Obama replied, I do not think that my MUSLIM, HE STOPPED, AND CORRECTED HIS ANSWER TO THAT OF A CHRISTIAN WAS NO LONGER AN ISSUE, HIS FIRST ANSWER HAD TO BE CORRECT, BECAUSE THAT WAS UPMOST IN HIS MIND………as, THE SO CALLED
REVERNED WRIGHT STATED AT THE PRESS CLUB IN NEW YORK WHEN ASKED IF HE WAS UPSET WITH OBAMA…DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM WRIGHT, SAID NO THAT OBAMA WAS
SPEAKING AS A POLITIAN TO GET ELECTED AND WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED TO HEAR BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT POLITIANS DO.
BECAUSE A SPEECH HE MADE 4-YEARS AGO, DOES NOT A PRESIDENT MAKE. HE USES THE WORD CHANGE A YOU SEE A HERD MENTAITY, WELL I AM 72-YEARS YOUNG AND HAVE NEVER MISSED VOTING, AND EVERY TIME THERE IS AN ELECTION THE WORD CAHNGE IS ALWAYS USED, NO MATTER WHO IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, THE MAIN QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASKED YOURSELF BEFORE VOTING
IS WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE PERSON, AND IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION YOU ARE NOT READY TO CAST YOUR VOTE WITH ANY DEGREE OF INTELLIGENCE. THANK YOU……..