Fact Check: Obama Misleads on $250,000 Tax Claim

I have always found something suspicious about Obama’s claim that 95% of Americans will not pay taxes.
There has to be a catch.
And also, Obama’s already back to his “I’ll agree with John/Hillary on that one.”

McCain is clearly more fully versed, educated and experienced. While McCain is full of specifics, Obama, as always, is full of general comments. Does it bother anyone else that Sen. McCain always references Sen. Obama, as Sen. Obama, whereas Obama, consistently shows disrespect my calling Sen. McCain “John”?

I am sure Obama is misleading about his entire tax plan.
If you look closely at it. It is identical to The German post war, miracle economy plan, It worked them with the situation they were in, and the circumstances of the times. I do not Think it can work today in the USA.
No matter how he does it, we still will have to pay for our own defense.
Most of Obama’s other plans and policies were borrowed, made up or just a way to sweet talk people into voting for him.

Lee
You just gave me a reason to vote for John McCain. You are a deadbeat

McCain looks desperate and tired, but remember McCain’s Vice President can see Russia from her backyard.

John McCain said he knows Henry Kissinger for 35 years and he would not agree to talks with out preconditions, but the TRUTH IS.. Henry Kissinger is in agreement with Meeting with other without preconditions. How come McCain can’t look Barack in the eye. never looked over to his opponent.

Keep in mind that Barack Obama closed by discussing what the American dream has become, while John McCain closed by saying he didn’t believe “Obama has the knowledge or experience” to run our country. Just like always, McCain wastes time attacking Obama but comes off as a bumbling, lying fool

Well, that’s better than having a VP who makes up history with a tone as if it were the truth. Just think if Biden had to report on something really important. His story of FDR coming on the television in 1929 was hilarious! He would be quite entertaining, until he says something that risks our safety.

I thought the debate went well. Both men seemed prepared. Obama still comes off as someone who is a puppet with words and slogans. He mentioned having worked on various pieces of legislation but when you actually look at the voting record it does not support his claim. I just don’t think this is the right time for him to become President. He needs more experience and less rhetoric.

Obama is a fraud. His entire campaign is scripted plagiarism
http://www.charlesrehn.com/charlesrehn/books/aconversationwithamerica/talkbacktoleaders/obamaandthedncplagiarism.htm/democratobamaplagiarism.htm

Another lie in the serial liar’s entertaining mouth.

Kissinger did not say he favored unconditional talks…he said he favored direct talks. Big difference. I guess Barak’s ivy league liberal education did not include English

McCain did not give us any FACTS during his debate. He has lied about SO MANY THINGS in this campaign its unreal. Independent groups who rate commercials have said he has SIX major, outright lies in these commercials. WAKE UP people and vote for the candidate who will make the country better. …. It’s NOT McCAIN.

Obama won this debate hands down. We hee hawwed when Obama made the remark about McCain singing about bombing Iran.
Great job Obama – Just wish you would have asked him if he’d ever seen a war hhe didn’t like.

I can’t believe these are the only two people we have to pick from for our president! Maybe Obama and McCain should get together and work on the economy issues until they come to an agreement. Just like a jury!

I feel McCain won the debate tonight.

So if higher taxes start on couples making 250,000 per year why doesn’t he say that or families. In my world if a couple makes 250,000 per year that means 125,000 each doesn’t it? or 100,000 and 150,000, or even 50,000 and 200,000. So someone making 50,000 per year could see the taxes on their family go up.

McCain is commanding in tonight’s debate; Obama, weak. McCain speaks like a President; Obama like a politician.

Michelle sure popped up in the camera fast after the handshake.

GIGI is a paranoid nutbag

The debate was all between Professor and a student or a novice.
How many did Obama say
” I agree with McCain..”
Good now Obama will vote for McCain. Its tough on him to decide anyway.
McCain/Palin 08

GiGi.. did you happen to notice that Sen. McCain’s mother is 96? He’ll most likely outlive you

You McCain supporters are on crack
Obama just defeated McCain on a debate mostly about foreign policy. All McCain can do is talk about his past involvements while Obama talks about the future.
Obama gives very clear plans for the Economy and Taxes…. I never hear any plans from McCain. He just tries and lie about Obama’s.
Obama is the person who seems under control while McCain stressed out. He seemed like he was going to blow up a few times.

Obama will say anything.
He is a fraud

$250000 per year is not rich- upper middle class maybe, but certainly not rich.

Brian, you must be a member of the press. No one besides them thinks obama won that debate. Seriously.

For all you liberals who think the answer is more taxes for those whose income is over $250,000 per year, are you aware that CURRENTLY the top 2% of income earners pay HALF of all income tax proceeds, the 58% below that pay the other half, and 40% of income earners pay NONE? Is the top 2% paying HALF of all taxes not paying their “fair share?” Need to make them pay more? Say goodbye to jobs, if you have any concept of where they come from!

Good grief!..what has ancient marital history got to do with current affairs?..get real or we’ll discuss Monica Lewinski in the oval office! Tonight was another instance where Obama drones on with pie-in-the-sky rhetoric and no concretes. The country is in need of someone with strong leadership experience to navigate international waters…only sheep would consider a vapid slick speaker as qualified to have his finger on the button! Wake up!

I believe Obama won the debate!!!!!

People of Missouri: You can file an unconstitutional lawsuit against any Missouri official that usurps the FREEDOM OF SPEECH. The Missouri ethics rule has no power to enforce any rule that is unconstitutional. Take up the fight and make those unconstitutional official pay to the tune of $20,000,000 for each enforcement of their unconstitutional rule.
Senator Obama has finally showed who he really is. The unconstitutional tactics used in Missouri are like the tactics of Hitler and the Nazi party. No where in this great United States of America should we let such unconstitutional rules stand to govern a free people. Missouri returns to slavery and Senator Obama leads the way.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

Each has his flaws and greats. But honestly after close observation Sen.Obama edges Sen.McCain on more greats than flaws. When someone is confident, he knows he is standing on a solid ground. That is what Sen.Obama projected throughout the campaign and debate.

At the end of the day I would be more fearful and cautious of McCain if I were the president of some of the uncooperative or rouge nations.
Obama on the otherhand, leads me to believe he can easily be distracted with a few card tricks, some shell games and magic tricks.

To Doc: Did you actually BELIEVE Obama when he said he didn’t hear all the racist comments his “mentor” Wright spewed? What about the “Tony” Rezko connection & Obamas call for ethics reform in Washington? Do you believe that Obama isn’t “tight” with Bill Ayers, a terrorist in the 1970′s, who has never apologized for what he did? Key excerpts from 09-23-08 Wall Street Journal article by Stanley Kurtz:”
Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
The CAC’s agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers’s educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism.
The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama’s first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers’s home.”
NOW, how many questionable associations does Obama have to demonstrate before you understand what his philosophy really is? He has not been forthright about any of these. And you think McCain lies and gives half-truths.LOL

John McCain won this hands down.

And yes the way he said Pakistan and Taliban was said with an accent that any American not raised muslim would not have.
Posted by: s.b. | Sep 26, 2008 11:03:20 PM
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well I’ll be darn… I’ve heard of geographical accents but I reckon I’ve never heard of Religious accent…
I wonder what accent Wiccans use…

Obama a leader on foreign policy…Yeah right.

Gigi – you too are an idiot

At least McCain was born here and has served his country.
Posted by: karen | Sep 26, 2008 11:14:30 PM
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so did Kerry, did you vote for him?
I’m scared! I don’t want another Republican President…seriously! can anyone blame me?!
I feel awful for my child, this is not the country I envisioned for him.
And now Republicans want us to trust them again?

No Clarity he doesn’t. Your just another hippy drinking the kool aid.
Rezco, Ayers, Wright, Flager, Chicago Land….Connect the dots and you might come out of your trance.
I already have my messiah. You appaers to think Obama is yours.

It seems that once again people on here, who purport to be Christian, feel the need to use the Lord’s name in vain. Obama has never called himself such and your mocking attribution goes against what you should have learned in Sunday school, if you ever went.

To WhitemoonG and MinniePearl:
Thank you for the facts. Your point is well-taken.Somehow, the liberals want to put forth an agenda that if you work hard, delay gratification by getting your education before having children, pay for your own families’existence, you should be punished by paying high taxes to pay for non-working people’s existence, and if you are very hard working and make above $100,000, you should be punished by being taxed at a greater rate, or was it $200,000 or $250,000 that Obama mentioned-it’s a moving target America. Wake up!!!

Guess again, gigi… I voted for Kerry last time and Gore the time before. I happen to be an informed intelligent independent voter. I research facts and the candidates and go from there. I don’t vote by party. That’s crazy. So, no, I didn’t give you Bush and I pray that you don’t give me obama. We do need a change, but obama is so wrong on so many levels

AMERICANS: Senator Obama is using police tactics in the United States of America to stop FREEDOM of SPEECH. It is not the duty of The Missouri Ethics Commission to usurp the freedoms guaranteed by the BILL of Rights first amendment in the American Constitution.
How does The Missouri Ethics Commission and law enforcement guarantee that Senator Obama is telling the truth, the whole true, and nothing else but the whole truth? The Missouri Ethics Commission is saying only other people lie and use deception, not Senator Obama.
The Missouri Law must be placed under the scrutiny of the State and Federal Supreme Courts. Such unconstitutional laws must be stricken from the books.
Obama must be stop by the Attorney General for using unconstitutional methods, deception, and lies. It is evident that Missouri supports slavery and Senator Obama leads the way. It will be a horrific day in America when Americans are denied FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

Thanks, bil, we all needed a laugh.

After watching McCain tonight.
How did W ever come in the picture.
00/04 should have been ALL McCain.
Its never too late though.
McCain 08

I have news for folks that think Obama can raise a lot of revenue by taxing those with incomes over 250K. People with that kind of income don’t just get it from salaries like those of us under 250K. They have more ways to avoid taxes than you can imagine. Such as, deferring business income, investing in tax exempt instruments, like state bonds, or taking their business out of the country.

Call a lie, a lie. What happened to objective journalism? Why is ABC saying that Obama “misled” when they call John McCain a liar at the drop of a hat, or do they think that Obama is such an empty suit that he doesn’t know the details of his own policy. Note to the media–credibility is a lot like virginity…once you lose it, you don’t get it back.

its nice Mcsame agrees with binmissing on were the war should be fought

If you think 250,000 is rich that’s fine. Once I get to making that much money I will be sure to raise my prices enough to compensate myself for the extra taxes I pay and make your dollar worth less. Sorry poor folks your never going to be able get a away from paying taxes. You either pay them directly or you pay them indirectly though more expensive goods and services. It’s better to not pay them all together. Abolish the FED and the IRS. It’s time you get up off the couch stop feeling sorry for yourself because the factory shut down and learn how to do something else. The “Pursuit of Happiness” has never been a guarantee. Time to grow up.

Can anyone tell me why the press – ABC in particular at this moment – keep saying obama won the debate?? I don’t understand why they like this guy so much. Seriously, help me understand, please…

All the idiots who post here…..How many of you make between 200 and 250k a year where this story matters?

Why is this a surprise? Besides spending days memorizing his answers, Obambi looked weak on National security and condescending in a way. McCain came through as genuine, knowledgeable and in command.
This is the kind of leader I want! Of course liberal news outlets such as CBS and CNN have their pro Obama polls out showing he won the debate- fox his own showing McCain blowing Obambi out of the water!
I guess we’ll see in the next few days how the poll move!

McCain Double Speaks – He is for low taxes but going to make my employer’s health benefits taxable income and give me Swiss cheese in a tax credit? Tax is a tax is a tax. He just does not get it.

I’m not sure but I would think an expert on the “deficet” would probably know the proper spelling.

Posted by: s.b.
I’m probably voting for McCain, but your comment is really uninformed. The “a” in Pakistan and Taliban is not pronounced with a hard “a” like in “apple,” overseas in the east. The English language doesn’t have the sound “a” (soft a like in ahhhh). All Obama is doing is pronouncing these names in the way people from those countries would pronounce it.

I thought they were both good. Obama was good, seemed a little irritated and miffed at times. Lots of sighing. McCain was good too, even funny, light, but serious. Obama was way too serious at times, but I thought he should be given his inexperience…he wouldn’t ahve come across well joking about anything. Very very tough. I think I’ll probably vote McCain, but I did like Obama tonight…far more than at any other time during this election campaing.

Umm, $200K is close to $250K. McCain didn’t mention the middle class once during the election. Did you hear it? Barack one this hands down. McCain wants to fight fight fight. Cut spending? How do you cut spending while spending money in war while our economy suffers.

Most of you are still wearing the republican blinders. I guess ya’ll just havent learned from the last 8 years. Good grief, its obvious Obama won this debate tonight…..

This debate clearly was a wash. In both national and local coverage the it was a win for the candidate the person supported.
I had laughed out loud when I saw a big Obama Wins! screen. I wonder what the leanings are for the former Democratic White House communications director George Stephanopolis are?

Scooter Grandpa Ryan was a young 40 something. A little different from McCain’s 72.

Has it dawned on any of you that both campaigns have lied, told half truths, and been vague about reality. It’s all about getting elected and saying just enough to get the independent vote. We are so polarized in this country that elections don’t come down to Democrats and Republicans. They come down to those independents that really look at the issues and think outside party ties. Honestly, both candidates haven’t layed out distinctly how they would fix the economy and we all now know that it’s all about the ECONOMY!

To quote David, “Good! If you are a couple making that much money, you’re rich. Works for me!”
Well david, if you’re making $50k per year, you might not feel rich, but I bet you someone making $25K per year thinks that you are. He might even want to get his hands on your hard earned money! But I bet you won’t give it to him. Why is ok to take from people making $250k? They’ve earned just like you’ve earned whatever you’ve got. If you want more, work harder.

The debate cemented my vote for John McCain…..please please see the light people…wake up before it is too late. Obama is a socialist….Lets not go there.

It’s insane…abc and all the news media keeps insisting their boy won…when in fact, we all saw for OURSELVES that he LOST big time, that he was a stuttering clueless nitwit that kept trying to talk over McCain.
McCain had him on foreign policy, the war, fiscal responsibility…everything!
McCain 1
Barry 0

“You McCain supporters are on crack”
I THINK YOU’RE REFERRING TO BARRY..THE LOW LIFE CRACK SMOKING KENYAN!

SEND OBAMA BACK TO KENYA WHERE HE WAS BORN. Obama may be deported !!!
Obama and the DNC are fighting the lawsuit against Obama and his false citizenship. This is an active lawsuit in the Federal court system. He is actually a citzen of Kenya and Indonesia.
http://www.obamacrimes.com
Posted by: Akitisha | Sep 27, 2008 12:02:31 AM
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This is unreal!!! I hope the judge puts Obama and Howard Dean in Jail! Obama is just like Resko, another scam artist!
This is a real lawsuit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do Good…I remember it well. I was able to pick up parcels of land for cash at low prices because interest rates were over 20%. No one could afford the high interest rates. People that held cash made money. McCain for PRESIDENT of the USA.

Senator MCCain is the WINNER! As usual ABC shows its bias towards Obama. Obama is all smoke and mirrors and no substance. George Obamanopolis of ABC news wants to be Press Secretary for Obama so bad that he will say anything to get Obama elected. It’s not going to work!

THE DEBATE YOU JUST SAW WAS PROOF THAT THERE ISN’T A RECORD FOR OBAMA TO REFERENCE… CAUSE HE CAN’T , CAUSE THERE ISN’T ONE. VERY POOR ARGUMENT TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY.
MCCAIN/PALIN ’08

How about fact checking all of those ads McCain ran saying that Obama will raise taxes on everyone making over $40k per year? Here is an excellent comparison of the actual tax policies of McCain and Obama — basically, McCain gives all of the money to the extremely rich (those making over a million per year) and nothing to the poor, while Obama does the opposite. So Obama’s plan is better for 99% of people, not to mention our country’s fiscal health:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

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To Susan, posting at 11:58:11:
I bet you know that McCain was found to have no connection with the “Keating Five” but the Democrats in charge of the investigation would not let him be released, a very, very ugly political ploy. So for you to bring that up as a stain on McCain makes me think that you, like Obama and the Clintons, like to misconstrue (in polite terms, aka “lie”)the truth.SHAME, SHAME, SHAME

Hey Doc. Wow – you sound like McCain will be lucky to live until Jan 20th when he’s sworn in. Do you honestly believe the GOP would let someone get this far in the election if your projection for his future health were on target? I would rejoice if McCain/Palin win. I believe a woman who has her experience as Mayor and Governor offers more hope than the ‘packaged mystery man – Obama’ and the ‘more of the same Congressman- Biden. Palin is bright and decisive.

Seriously people, OBAMA won this debate. Mccain was like a robot, afraid to look Obama in the face. Obama a puppet?…. NEVER. I truly can’t believe that some people feel Obama was weak tonight… did you listen to the man OR, where you blinded by color? Obama has Americas best ineterest, he can and will make a great President. Honestly look at the position Bush has placed this country in, do we really want to continue down the same path?

If I was an independent I’d be looking hard at Obama. He sounded great tonight. And he didn’t do anything to appear weak. I don’t care what the hardcore repubs think. They are as McCain as the libs are Obama. I just hope the independents and undecided realize that 8 years is enough of the repub bs.

We must thank the internet comment section otherwise, with all the media spin you think Obama won.
i think the cat 5 on financial world must hit the media too. SO we have new faces in. and Pls no Bailout for the Media.
McCain 08
McCain/Palin 08

As I read comments, I cant fail but realize that you people are poor and not because you dont work hard, but you all are just plain DUMB. Who else would vote agains their own interest? Don’t worry, with the way things are, those terrorists wont dare attack us. After all, who would want to attack homeless, jobless bunch of idiots. Bring on McCain and most of you wont even have a job next year and a house soon after than.
Good Luck America… you will need it, and yea call me stupid, moron, whatever you want. I am sure you will remember my words next yr.

It’s funny how MSNBC has Obama winning the debate with about 75% and Fox News has McCain winning by that same percentage. I guess like this message board, you see the winner depending on who you are going to vote for- not msny open-minded viewers!

Hi Michael Genious,
President SENDS the budget to congress, that congress votes on before it goes to president to sign.
Think before you speak, or is it too much to ask!

Hey Amy:
Calm Cool presence of McCain? The guy was plain old mean and tired. What did you watch?

I really dont see how Obama wins this debate…all the liberal netwks are gawking about Obama and it is making me throw up…
Clearly McCain has the vast knowledge in foreign policy and is ready to be
commander-in- chief in day one….Obama is just spewing hot air as usual. What a fraud…

McSame will almost certainly carry on with Bush’s agenda. That’s the point that Barack Obama was making…and sucessfully I might ad. If our country doesn’t come together and prioritize energy independence, education, healthcare as well as actually going after the terrorists with our allies at our side, then we will continue to fall. Come on, Republicans….I used to love Bush Sr. I went to a rally as a teenager with a BUSH/QUALE sign and some wacky hippie threatened to physically attacked me. I get Republicans…I was regitered as a Republican until 4 years ago…even though I voted as a Democrat in ’96′, ’00, and ’04. I just want a lot of Republicans to wake up. Barack Obama is sincerely devoted to the working class. He’s on your side…unless you’re filthy rich. You guys have to get it. Wake up, Republicans…Obama’s your man.

Why is ABC News not fact-checking McCain’s false claims about Obama?? Why is it that the moment the Democratic ticket gets a little out of line they are slammed…but McCain’s camp got SUCH an early and long free ride in ridiculous false ads without anyone saying ANYTHING?

Forget the debate, it does not matter who won.
AMERICANS: Senator Obama is using police tactics in the United States of America to stop FREEDOM of SPEECH. It is not the duty of The Missouri Ethics Commission to usurp the freedoms guaranteed by the BILL of Rights first amendment in the American Constitution.
How does The Missouri Ethics Commission and law enforcement guarantee that Senator Obama is telling the truth, the whole true, and nothing else but the whole truth? The Missouri Ethics Commission is saying only other people lie and use deception, not Senator Obama.
The Missouri Law must be placed under the scrutiny of the State and Federal Supreme Courts. Such unconstitutional laws must be stricken from the books.
Obama must be stop by the Attorney General for using unconstitutional methods, deception, and lies. It is evident that Missouri supports slavery and Senator Obama leads the way. It will be a horrific day in America when Americans are denied FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

Mccain was not born in the U.S.Send Mccain back to Panama, Is there where he was born?

I have seen many debates and I have never seen one Candidate like McCain that was so rude that he couldn’t look the other in the eye.They were both told to look at one another as if they are talking to one another.That old saying don’t trust anyone that can’t look you in the eye when talking to you because they have something to hide is a prime example of McCain tonight with Obama.McCain lost to Bush when he was running for President in 2000 with his own party and I can understand why.He is not President Material.Obama stands up for himself and is calm.That is what American needs as a President to be able to talk to other World Leaders like John Kennedy did and he cares about straightening our Country out

Obama is a joke!McCain was very Presidential tonight. Obama was struggling without his teleprompter.

I am Libertarian so I watched with out bias! McCain always showed respect to Obama by calling him Senator Obama. He was clear and had the facts together and made a convincing speaker. Obama often couldn’t remember McCain’s name and called him Bob and Jim a few times and never showed the respect of calling him Senator McCain. He stuttered and became flustered when McCain mentioned the 800 million in Obama’s earmarks. McCain is clearly the better of the two, but for the sake of America vote Libertarian!

I see a lot of criticism that McCain didn’t look at Obama. Is that the best you can come up with? If die hard Democrat supporters of left wing Obama can’t come up with anything better than McCain looked the wrong way, then he clearly won the debate. No wonder Obama supporters resort to insults and name calling rather than rational discussion.

The result are in..OBAMA 1 McCain ZERO!
According to CBS News / Knowledge Networks’ poll of undecided voters:
40% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. 22% thought John McCain won. 38% saw it as a draw. 68% of these voters think Obama would make the right decision about the economy. 41% think McCain would.
49% of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. 55% think McCain would.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/27/Early_polls_call_Obama_winner_of_debate/UPI-45301222489321/
OXFORD, Miss., Sept. 27 (UPI) — Early polls pegged Democrat Barrack Obama as the winner over Republican John McCain in Friday’s U.S. presidential debate in Oxford, Miss.
A CBS poll of uncommitted voters found 40 percent saying Obama came out on top in the debate, compared to 25 percent for McCain. Thirty-six percent called it a draw. McCain was considered the better candidate in terms of running the war in Iraq, but Obama was selected as the best manager of the economy. The poll had a margin for error of 4 percent. CNN ran an unscientific online poll that drew more than 80,500 votes, 67 percent of which went to Obama compared to 28 percent for McCain. A similar NBC survey drew more than 291,000 clicks and gave Obama the win with 51 percent compared to 35 percent for McCain, while 7.8 percent said they weren’t sure and 6.3 percent called it a draw.

Libertarian Robin Marks
If I thought a Libertarian had a chance of winning I would vote for him. Unfortunately a libertarian vote will only split the Republicans and put Obama in the White House.
Your assessment of the debate is correct.

One should vote for whom they believe to be the best candidate. It becomes a fate accompli to ignore the 3rd party candidates by saying they can’t win. A good showing by a 3rd party candidate sometimes reminds the major parties where the true feelings of many Americans resides.

I think you’re right, Pete. If there was one point that I agreed with Obama on was that the cost of healthcare is strangling businesses. I think this will cease to be a benefit provided by most businesses in the next five years.

Geez, Americans aren’t that dumb. We all know the polls are biased based on the network that showcases them. FOX NEWS GOT IT RIGHT WITH MCCAIN 82% NOBAMA 16%

McCain keeps saying the same old,same old about his 40 yrs ago pow days and then he brought up again about the bracelet from a woman that gave it to him.He never mention her name and of course never had it on.I don’t believe a word he says.At least Obama had a bracelet on and he did mention the name of the person that gave him the bracelet.All the lies McCain throws around and when he’s caught he still looks at the person who caught him and he still lies.Just like he did when he disrespected his own party leding them on saying 1 of 3 will be his VP and then he pulled Palin out of a hat.Not one time did he ever mention 4 for VP.
She was not vetted.She’s kept away from reporters and I can understand why when she gave 2 different interviews and screwed them up.Palin stretches her stories and McCain goes along with it.
Anything for a vote.That lux jet was nothing but a jet that was also used to transport jail birds from one area to another.These two are like ones that tell fishing tales telling ones a 20″ fish when it’s really a 5″.Palin is not VP material and McCain lost his in 2000
running against Bush for Candidate for their Party.McCain even lied to David Letterman when he was to go on his show saying he Needed to catch the plane to get back to DC and here Letterman showed McCain on Katie’s show the same time he was to go on hers.

Hey David,
Check your facts about Kisenger. Kisenger called Obama out tonight and DID say Obama lied and McCain was right.

THE DEBATE WAS CONFIRMATION FOR ME THAT OBAMA IS JUST NOT PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL. SENATOR? YES. BUT NOT A PRESIDENT.

I like the borderline racist comments that have no place in any civilized discussion.
I also like that McCain’s people thought Obama forgot McCain’s name several times saying Jim……
THE MODERATOR WAS NAMED JIM YOU IDIOTS!
I mean, c’mon.
Almost all reviews and polls lean obama. Even if McCain was running ads and had on his website this morning that he had won even though unless he can time travel the debate hadn’t even happened yet, this was a good showing for Obama.

Clarity: One last comment: I haven’t researched McCain’s position on ethanol, but I know he supports nuclear energy plants. Some people do not want food sources used for fuel. Most ethanol in the U.S. is currently derived from corn, a food source. This may be McCain’s reasoning. Just thought you might need to know this so that you didn’t say something that made you look foolish.

McCain clearly exhibited more poise. NObama just didn’t appear very comfortable.

I’m for anything that improves the economy, including raising taxes, as ultimately that will make me more money and improve the outlook for my family.

My taxes are wasted. I’d rather they be wasted in the US than Iraq.

I would rather my taxes not be wasted at home or abroad. You realize the massive bailout is going to cost twice the amount of Iraq. Also Fannie Mae who was not regulated by Senator Dodd and his banking committee are partially responsible for the blow up. Also nobody in the house or senate has had more money donated to them by fannie mae than senator Dodd. Also Fannie Mae has already given Senator Obama $600K and Mcain $150K. How can we let these people structure the bail out when they are being paid by wall street we are getting the screw job.

Hording money, as you are aware, does not make you more money. Spending drives the economy. People who don’t have a lot of money spend a lot of it (which is part of the current problem with mortgages). For what I do, I need those people to spend their money and if they can’t pay their mortgages it hurts my business.
So, I need the economy to be better. If the taxes are spent in the US on whatever dumb largess the government typically chooses, much of the money gets redistributed here in the US. If the money goes to pay for gas in a tank in Iraq, it drives up the cost of living here and not only does the money go poof but it means less money for people to spend here.
So, I have no desire in the least to pay the government more taxes. However, if getting the economy going means paying incrementally more then I’m not worried about it. There will always be way to reduce the tax burden…

The bailout, as proposed, is pointless. No guarantee it will work and if it doesn’t we’ll be worse off than before.

It’s pretty obvious who won this debate tonight. RON PAUL won this debate tonight. He told you these two weren’t going to do anything to really change this country for the better and their performances proved it. He told you in 2003 the rate at which this country was borrowing money was going to lead us to an economy in crisis like we have today, AND HE WAS RIGHT!!!! VOTE THIRD PARTY THIS YEAR—IT’S THE ONLY WAY YOUR VOICE WILL REALLY BE HEARD!

When will people learn… This country became the economic power it is because of the freedom its citizens have to enjoy free enterprise. Our modern government only restricts growth by over taxation, and restrictions.
The mortgage problem is due once again from the government pressing mortgage companies to provide loans to…. people of limited means… (a liberal agenda) and now we must pay yet more to fix it

JW: I think we agree on much, but the mortgage crisis was caused by greedy individuals who thought they were winning the lottery by getting mortgages they couldn’t afford from greedy lenders who knew they would be reselling the loan anyway and didn’t care that they couldn’t possibly afford the loans.
I also agree that the government restricts growth, but its job (if done correctly) avoids the inevitable wild swings that happen in free markets.

In 2007, the median annual household income rose 1.3% to $50,233.00 according to the Census Bureau.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
If you make $200,000 or more you are upper class and effects less than 2.7% of america. My wife and I made $70,000 last year. My wife is pregnant with our first and just got put on bed rest. 4 weeks till the due date.
I am a union worker(3rd year hvac/refrigeration apprentice) We have saved enough money so she can stay home for 2 months after our son is born and then she has to go back to work. I dont mind paying my share. I enjoy nice roads, schools, fire departments, police, parks,. My mother had to use welfare to raise me and my brother. I grew up in a trailer. I am the first in my family to buy a house without wheels. I am living the dream. Sure I wish my wife could stay home with our child. Times have changed.
$7.50 an hour I work goes toward my health & welfare plan. I pay $20 copays for most everything. It has doubled in the last 5 years. I always ask for the generic brand of prescriptions to use less of the funds from our medical plan.
If John McCain became president I would be taxed on the $7.50 and hour. Obama’s plan is suited for building back up the middle class that was wiped out from the Reagan days. Trickle down economics (Reagonomics) has never worked. Read how the great depression began:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_depression
Have a fantastic day and wish me luck with my first child!
-Kenny

Greed is for sure a huge part of it, but do some research and see who was responcible for the lack of oversight and regulations. these commitees are chaired by the very democrats that not only benifited the most financially, but now have the ‘miricle’ fix… it is criminal.

Sen McCain, you are a man to be respected. Barack O. – grow up and get some respect for your elders.

“put all the children” now that sounds very hitleresk……

Do Good—this problem started to happen in 1995 when the rep held the house and senate.Dem didn’t get in till 2006.The problem that is happening today just didn’t start 2 yrs ago

Any President who is friends with a terrorist can’t be all bad. At least Obama can say that he has experience with terrorism. Can anyone say William Ayers.

I wonder if anyone can show of one single government program that is managed better by the government than by private enterprise?
Anyone?

JT: Agree with much of what you say, but will note two things:
1. Ethanol isn’t the problem; ethanol from corn is. Ethanol from sugarcane is efficient enough.
2. The nuclear assumption is based on current technologies and efficiencies. Investing in this area will likely change the dynamic.
But, right now nuclear energy is not a bad idea.

Medicare Advantage programs is a marketing ploy gone wrong, but atleast it is a option people can choose or reject.

Right when America needs a great president in the worst way, we get these two clowns.I think the manager of the convenience store down the block would make a better president.

Jim….I want some of what you are smoking….Dubya the best president in our history? Are you kidding me? Yeah, forget Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Roosevelt…JFK…just to name a few…you Republicans are freaking insane…..talking about a president who’s said things like “They misunderestimated me” and ‘Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?’

This country was founded by those individual that had grit, a spirit of hope, not hope that some uncle sam would save and help them, but real hope that lead them to create a life, an existence of their own destiny.
Today our country has become lazy, children poorly raised. Adults with no desire to strive for success, always looking for someone else to ‘give it’ to them.
This country became the greatest country in history, because its founders and its people said “We can do it… work hard”
If everyone found and ‘lived’ to true meaning of self-reliant then we would not be having these debates and discussions. The government would be doing the job that our forefathers intended and nothing more. Once again this country would be the envy of the world.
“a government of the people, by the people, for the people”
Not a country of the ‘entitled’

Ethanol is not a solution. The average MPG on that crud drops like a rock so we’re consuming that much more of it and damaging food prices in the process. Corn is the cornerstone for all our terrible food supply… high fructose corn syrup is our best choice to bloated American children!

All McCain could do is strike his one note insistence on the military and on being confrontational. McCain had VERY LITTLE in specifics on any of the issues discussed. Instead all he could do is spout slogans and insults, but he really showed that he will be at least as bad as Bush on the economy, and at least as rigid and inflexible in his foreign policy and continue to put all the country’s eggs in the Iraq basket and let us just rot at home, while he does nothing to help the average people. I am not imitating anything the talking heads have said. I could see this on my own. Obama was head and shoulders more knowledgable on the issues, on details and on specifics of what he would do in each area and he spent more time than he should have had to debunking McCain’s constant lies and distortions and put downs. McCain made an #### of himself being a scolding, condescending old cad with no finesse at all and just a lot of hot air anecdotes that had little to do with the issues. Obama wasn’t even allowed to respond to half the BS McCain said because McCain just tried to shout him down and g###ed on and on. McCain also showed he will continue the same bankrupt garbage that Bush is doing for the most part, with his knee-jerk, rigid, confrontationalist approach that hasn’t worked for the last 8 years for Bush and will just drive America further down the ####…..You must be a doctrinaire reactionary to think McCain did anything but his standard insulting sloganeering. Obama should have thrown it back in McCain’s face that it is he (McCain) who DOESN’T UNDERSTAND much of anything except continuing the same crappy mistakes he’s been making for the last 26 years in the Senate. All he can do is yell ‘surge, surge’ and ‘victory, victory’ and ‘all confrontation, sll the time’. This crap To all you cons who think McCain is so wonderful, you must be indoctrinated morons. Obama was eloquent and specific on his policies, his plans and his knowledge of the issues and their nuances. McCain can’t and won’t stop repeating his same old condescending put-downs, distortions and outright mischaracterizatins of Obama’s record. And whether Obama gets the exact figure of his tax threshold exactly right, this article here on ABC News makes a mountain out of a molehill while ignoring all of McCain’s blatant misstatements. McCain showed, during the debates tonight that he stands for the same old rigid polices of Bush on most things and he is completely a ‘one note wonder’ about military confrontation and about the surge, and he lies about his own record in the Senate. McCain is who helped get our country into the mess it’s in. The press isn’t being biased to report what was said tonight. The cons don’t like it because it shows up their revisionism. In fact Jim Lehrer gave McCain a lot more time for his blowhard sloganeering than he gave Obama time to respond to the longwinded harangues of this old, dead-horse-idea-windbag who is NOT a straight talker but straight out con artist and unmannerly cad.

JL- Thank you for your eloquent, frothing, virulent, scathing tirade of McCain. I truly did not think it was possible for someone to speak that much and not actually have any valid point. Astounding. ;)

McCain gave a good spanking to Obama in the debate. If you are using your brain, you would have seen that Obama is clueless and simply likes to sniff the wind for what is popular. He has no backbone and no real principles. Obama’s only concern is his personal political advancement.

A government who has more control is also the same government that can it away.
Large government dissolves individual liberties into regulated group state-controlled oppression.
It’s what our forefathers left. It is the premise for Communism that always results in dictatorships and human rights abuse.
Vote for Obama and you will have a dangerous Jimmy Carter II with Marxist agendas.
Keep your personal liberties, keep your freedoms, vote for McCain.

I am oustanded that we are even comparing Obama to McCain. McCain comes from a long line of american patriots. He has served his country well for decades in many capacities. McCain will do what is right for the country even if it means standing up to big business. He was one of the key players in killing a sweetheart deal between a big aerospace giant and the airforce that was not in the best interest of america. Americans can’t be serious that they would rather have Obama than McCain.

Obama’s promise of tax cut for middle class is hardly true. He relies on the closing the offshore tax loopholes of big international corporations. Noway, they simply registered in Bermuda like Midland Bank of New York, once becoming HSBC international bank, then it registered in Channel Islands and Obama never can get its offshore profit even he close the offshore tax haven. Ibama is either ignorant in day dream of talking or he is deceiving us for our votes.

Curtis: you are trying to inject KKK comments into the discussion? What about rev wright? what about the NAACP? Stay to the facts and accept the fact that your candidate took a beating tonight and was exposed for the flip flopper and panderer that he is.
Latinos for McCain

21st century ideas are New World Order ideas. New World Order ideas = WWIII.
Obama is all NWO – the US to become the North American Union by 2010. A new currency introduced called the ‘Amero’ and buffering Russia by NATO containment of former provinces.
During Obama’s NWO speech in German, Russia threatened to fly Nuclear bombers over to Cuba? They do not want a US-led NWO.
The world will never be a Utopia, because those in power want to be in control of that Utopia. Greed begets more greed which results in oppressive laws to keep the masses “in check”. Sound like Communism? Yeah. It looks good on paper, but never works in the real-world and simply never will. It goes against human nature and the quest for power.
McCain is definitely the safer bet. Now is not the time for radicalism or the rules of Obama’s reading material “rules for radicals”. We need some change, but the right change. Stable and measured change.

Judith,
McCain bashers have been falsely claiming that he didn’t support the Webb GI bill.
The truth is that McCain wanted the bill revised to include transferability of all or a portion of a service member’s benefits to a spouse or child after serving more than one enlistment.
By supporting this revised bill, McCain accomplished two significant things:
the No.1 request of career service members regarding education and that the GI Bill would help retain the young leaders necessary to maintain an all-volunteer work force.
That is the total truth versus the half-truth that you posted.

Are you McCain people nuts, or just blind. I have watched the whole debate 3 times, on CNN this evening.
McCain is a record stuck on one thing he claims to be the top person on. Foreign affairs.
But sorry folks, he was schooled by Obama.
McCain looks like an uninformed, politician. He distorted facts, would look no one in the eyes, and fumbled through the evening. No wonder he picked someone with less ability than himself.
If he had picked someone with ability, he would have come off as even less capable.

OBAMA IS A FRAUD.
MAC KICKED HIM TO THE CURB IN THIS DEBATE.
I’M EXCITED TO SEE THE BARACUDA WIPE THE FLOOR WITH GAFFE-TASTIC BIDEN.

It makes me sick that people continue to perpetrate this lie that Obama doesn’t put his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. I’ve seen him do it every time I’ve seen him say the pledge. It’s these lies that moved this Independent over to the Obama side. I am so turned off by what I now see as fear mongering and lying, there’s no way I could even consider McCain as President. He would run this country like he has his campaign. McCain is irratic and thinks the country owes him something.

Each man is clearly a reflection of his past. McCain is the third generation of pugistic, military people who want to focus upon the aggression of others and brag about not being “Miss Congeniality”. Obama continues to be the victim of others’ aggression (e.g. racism) and wants to be able to make peace with “enemies”. McCain has trouble imagining this. Too bad John Lennon isn’t alive to see this.

Obama also constantly overstates his record of opposing the Iraq war. He was a lowly state level senator when our Congress voted to authorize war in Iraq. No one was interested on what he thought about the war then, and he didn’t have any skin in the game. He was never on the hook. He wasn’t tasked with the safety and security of 300,000,000 people, if he had been, perhaps he’d have thought differently. As it is, Obama NEVER voted against going to war in Iraq. He didn’t join the U.S. Senate until 2005. We went into Iraq in 2003. What if Sarah Palin went around saying that she stood against the Iraq war from the beginning? In 2003 she was serving as chair of Alaska’s Oil and Gas Commission. You need to have voted against something to say you stood against it, in the context in which Obama says he did. It’s easy to stand against something when nobody cares what you think.

One more thing. If you’re having health insurance issues, Obama will do MUCH more for you than McCain would. Read up.

One more thing. If you’re having health insurance issues, Obama will do MUCH more for you than McCain would. Read up.

McCain has real experience in high level politics, and it shows. Obama stutters, ahhhhs, annnnndsss, ect.. Obama is a junior first term senator. LOL He is NOT ready for the job, he doesn’t have the experience.

Partly it’s because he has a compulsive constant need to tell us about it while saying that he doesn’t like to talk about it, but I get pissed off every time I hear McCain called a ‘hero’ as if he’s somehow deserving of adulation because he was a POW.
Don’t get me wrong. He served his country and he was wounded in the process; but he was no more (and a lot less) of a hero than all of the other vets who faithfully served their country and were wounded.
Regarding his POW experience, he had several unflattering nicknames which belie his performance. “Hanoi Songbird” comes to mind. His propaganda videos for North Vietnam and his willingness to give the North Vietnamese accurate military information did not earn hero status.
Am I saying that he was some kind of traitor? Absolutely not at all. Again, he served his country to the best of his ability and he should be commended for his service no matter what he said or did in captivity. But I do not want to hear him called ‘hero’ one more time.
There were many thousands of REAL heroes in that war and many hundreds of actual heroes in the POW camps – some who performed heroic acts before being captured, and others who simply never gave their captors whatever they wanted.
So the next time he pulls out that story to gain sympathy for himself and distract everyone’s attention from one of his many stupid or nefarious statements/deeds, just laugh. If enough people would do that, maybe he’d eventually have to put a stop to his BS.

I think it’s accurate enough, as couples are the biggest issue… how many people do you know that make that much money all by themselves?!
(Not too many, I’d guess!)
Meanwhile, McCain viciously insulted one of Pakistan’s two major political leaders, by saying that he ran a “failed state”.
He never once pointed out that General Musharraf took it upon himself to start a border war with India that killed thousands, was exiled for insubordination and inciting a coup, and then conspired with his military cronies to overthrow an extremely popular democratically elected government!

Judith:please don’t speak for all of us military members and families when you say the military promotes Obama. Keep supporting him and then cry when the military doesn’t get a raise one year, or sees cuts to the benefits they were promised upon joining the military. Obama has all ready said he’s going to cut the defense budget. Yes, raises do come from that budget. You might want to rethink the candidate that you’re promoting. McCain will take care of the military, Obama wil not.

“McCain has real experience in high level politics. Obama stutters.” – Posted by jon
Aside from the fact that his “real experience” has produced a neverending stream of absolutely contradictory statements on nearly every possible issue for the last 25 years, and aside from the fact that in his old age he can’t seem to stick with an opinion for more than a day, and aside from the fact that all those years in the Senate haven’t done anyone but him (and the wealthiest among us) any good, he continually stutters and ahhhhhs and uhnnnns while tripping over names, policies, facts and his own outright lies.
I’m sure, though, that a man who simply can’t look his opponent in the face would make a really good negotiator with the likes of a Putin, right? Oh, wait, I forgot. America doesn’t negotiate with countries that don’t do as they’re told. We bomb ‘em to teach ‘em a lesson; and if they have oil, we invade ‘em…even if invading ‘em means that thousands of our best and bravest are killed, nobody gets the oil, and we have to pay more for our gas guzzlers.

Again I say it….Obama…ah ah ah stutters. LOL He just doesn’t have it together, and his inexperience shows. He is lying to get votes. His tax plan will raise taxes on everyone that makes dividends, or capital gains. This is typical bait and switch lies.

“McCain will take care of the military. Obama will not.” – Posted by J
Maybe we weren’t listening to the same debate. Both of them talked about cutting the military budget. It needs to be cut. It HAS to be cut. We can’t afford to spend more for the military budget than all of the rest of the world put together anymore.
In addition, from a national security point of view, we can’t afford to be eternally engaged in multiple wars. What happens if there is a need to actually defend this country? We don’t have the available manpower or the equipment to effectively respond to a serious attack without letting the nukes fly, and we certainly don’t have the ability to engage with a third enemy. If, for example, Chavez decides to use the Russian weaponry he’s buying to carve up South America in order to build a ‘Greater Venezuela’, who’s going to stop him?
Putting all of that aside, you should do some research on McCain’s ACTUAL RECORD when it comes to his votes in the Senate on appropriations bills that would benefit veterans and the men and women currently in our armed forces. He has a real easy time saying “NO” when it comes to your medical and financial wellbeing. It almost seems as if he believes he’s the only man who really deserves anything because of service to his country. Obama, in contrast, has just the opposite attitude.

250G. Wonder how many people are in that tax bracket. With McCain having 7 houses, 13 cars, wondering if he knows what it’s like to be an average voting citizen. From what I have learned, McCain seems to come from a privileged pedigree compared to the majority of voting citizens.

Which college did Obama attended? He needs to get his money back. Obama stutters so much and sometime hard to follow when he talk. I am not trying to be funny but Obama remind me of Bush when he talk.

How many paid bloggers are on this site?!
As someone who watched the debate without going in with a strong feeling toward either candidate, I’m surprised by so many comments that McCain “won”. No one “won”. But I must say, McCain SHOULD of won, but didn’t. I think that’ll help Obama greatly, especially since this was supposed to be McCain’s turf.
Many of you are also making some interesting comments alluding to Obama being a Muslim. You can’t have it both ways – you can’t blame him for going to a CHRISTIAN church for 20 years with a reverand you don’t like, and at the same time state he’s a Muslim. He is not.
Please people, let’s deal with facts and not spin.

I was on the fence until last night. I was really dissappointed in Obama’s performance last night. I was hoping to see him come up with some specifics on what he would do for the economy and foreign policy. I was really surprise to see that some people actually thought he won the debate. Sad to say, but I think Hillary would have put up a better fight. Objectively speaking, McCain clearly won the debate. Obama never seemed to answer the questions and at times seemed to babble on with no point. He also came across as disrespectful by referring to Senator John McCain as “John”. He tried to impress his audience with his pronounciation of “Pakistan” and “Taliban”. I typically vote Democrat or Independent, but I am leaning towards McCain.

J Mc is one little knuckle head!!!

Remember the Keating Five, McCain was one of the 5 Senators that was involved in that scandal. It was the Savings and Loan scandal, that cost the taxpayers 500 Billion dollars almost 20 years ago. What else is ironic, is that one of the people was George W Bush’s brother. I guess you can say, steal with one brother, while you vote with the other brother.

“He tried to impress his audience with his pronounciation of “Pakistan” and “Taliban”"
I think that betrays your bias. Why would you assume he’s pronouncing them correctly to impress the audience, as opposed to pronouncing them correctly because – y’know – it’s correct?

It seems strange that John McCain would choose a running mate who is the subject of an ethics probe of this sort, which if it turns out badly could damage his chances right before the election. But this only proves what a high risk gamble the decision to choose Palin was in addition to her serious lack of experience should she ever become president in the event of some national emergency.
Do we really want a 72 year old “high risk” gambler, who sings “bomb, bomb Iran”…who reacts without questioning that “we are all Georgians”…who violated the military code of conduct as a POW by giving more than name, rank and serial number (he gave the location of his target and his base in return for preferential treatment by his captors)… who divorced his first wife and mother of his children, Carol, not for biblically allowed reasons (adultery) but merely because, while waiting faithfully as a POW wife, she was in a car wreck on Christmas Eve and when McCain returned 2 years later, she wasn’t quite the “fashion model” anymore (she gained some weight and walked with a limp, So much for “in sickness or in health,” right?, who was found guilty of GROSS POOR JUDGMENT in the Keating 5 scandal, who erratically suspends his campaign for the POTUS because he is un-prepared and scared…
Sadly, McCain’s life story is that of a morally bankrupt individual and he is NOT qualified to be president nor commander in chief.

When we went to war with Panama, we got Noriega and that was it. Only an idiot would try to change an entire regime, when, all ya had to do was pluck out Saddam as we did Noriega>>>if that really was the issue. The “surge” was not necessary, cause, the reduction in violence has been from the fact that we “hired” all of Saddam’s former party members (The Awakening). We could have done that without any troops. BUSH/MCCAIN/FAILIN are slap idiots!

WOW!!! Gotta mark this day down on the calendar. ABC writes a negative story about Obama. Probably won’t see this again until after November elections.

the goal of media today is to inform. right. or to create conflict so you come back so they can push ads to sell you things. don’t be stupid.
25% of mccain’s tax cuts go to families making more than $2.8 million. go to taxpolicycenter.org. the tax tables are right there for anyone who has a brain to read directly.
while we’re on topic, which bracket are you?.
……………… MCCAIN …………. OBAMA
Income ……. Avg tax bill ……. Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M …. -$269,364 (-4.4%)… +$701,885 (+11.5%)
$603K and up…. -$45,361 (-3.4%)… +$115,974 (+8.7%)
$227K-$603K…… -$7,871 (-3.1%)…….. +$12 (+0.0%)
$161K-$227K…… -$4,380 (-3.0%)….. -$2,789 (-1.9%)
$112K-$161K…… -$2,614 (-2.5%)….. -$2,204 (-2.1%)
$66K-$112K …… -$1,009 (-1.4%)….. -$1,290 (-1.8%)
$38K-$66K …….. -$319 (-0.7%)….. -$1,042 (-2.4%)
$19K-$38K …….. -$113 (-0.5%)……. -$892 (-3.6%)
Under $19K ……… -$19 (-0.2%)……. -$567 (-5.5%)
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/?postversion=2008061113

Obama and McCain did well. McCain certainly didnt mop the floor with Obama has many republicans thought he would. And this was supposed to be McCains debate topic. I believe both mislead on what they can do giving the current economic crisis. McCain not looking at or directly addressing Obama did not impress me. Obama sounded more presidential to me. I think McCain = past and Obama = future. I also think McCain and Bush’s idea of isolating countries with no direct talks has proven not to work and McCain will continue this policy. This Independent will support Obama

As a POW, McCain gave out more than “name, rank, and serial number!” McCain gave the enemy the location of his base as well as the target he was going to bomb. He also told them his father was the famous Admiral McCain. In return, for giving out confidential, classified information in violation of the US military Code of Conduct, McCain was given preferential treatment by his captors. Upon McCain’s POW release and return to the states, within 1 month McCain divorced his first wife, Carol (she was a former model), because in the 3rd year of her loyal waiting for her POW husband and father of their 3 children to return, on Christmas eve while in route to deliver Christmas presents to family friends she was injured in a car wreck that required 20 operations and left her with weight gain and a limp. In total violation of biblical teaching, that states flatly that divorce is allowable only for adultery, McCain ditched Carol and married Cindi; hence, McCain and Cindi are committing adultery before our eyes. Bristol Palin, the daughter of McCain’s VP nominee, is an unwed, teenage pregnant mother having committed adultery in violation of Biblical teaching. McCain-Palin=Adultery First! McCain-Palin=Broker than the 10 commandments! Too bad McCain-Palin actions are in direct contrast to their Christian right-wing holier than thou attitudes and policies.

OBAMA IS LEADING! In the polls, in history, in new voter registration, in fundraising, in campaign management, by every metric possible! Conventional wisdom has always said that you can determine how a president will lead by observing how he leads his campaign and the decision he made in picking his vice presidential nominee! Obama/Biden 08, real leadership for a new generation! What a STELLAR campaign being run by an incredible young, American leader! Go OBAMA/BIDEN

Abortion must remain as a private matter between a woman and her God. The government has no business criminalizing her no more than it should criminalize MCCAIN for his adultery! A sin is a sin. However, no one is really sure whether abortion is indeed a sin or not. Fact is, research shows that abortions decrease in regions where comprehensive sex education and support care are taught and offered. Fact is, Palin/McCain are against such education. Fact is, ALASKA HAS THE HIGHEST ABORTION RATE IN THE USA!!!

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.
White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you. White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family
“I don’t know why they’re trying to paint this [legislative investigation] as a Democratic partisan attack,” said state Sen. Wielechowski. “The thing I constantly remind people of is: Democrats didn””t push this. You know who pushed it? It was the Republicans. This is the thing people conveniently forget now. There were no Democrats out there screaming for an investigation.”
The House Judiciary Committee vote to endorse the issuance of the subpoenas included five Republicans and two Democrats.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-troopergate21-2008sep21,0,2158301.story?page=2

Katie Couric earned my trust with this interview. I have a whole new respect for her and her shows. Katie is the new Walter Kronkite, the most trusted voice in America!

I thought John wasnt going to this debate because he had to put the country first?
Dem or Rep…Doesnt matter my sheeple friends the big bankers are taking funny money derivatives and buying us out of our home and land anyway.

Sen. McCain keeps talking about his experiences and about Sen. Obama’s unexperiences on most of the questions. Give me a break. Just answer the questions, what’s so hard. that’s what the debate for. this was just wasting tax payers money and time with no real answers to the questions. an experience person that is a heartbeat away and really love this country is not going to choose un-experience VP. what the un-experience VP can do when he/she becomes P.

What a decrepit joke has been forced on the nation by the Bush/Mcain/Failing ticket! Every week its some new, erratic, self-serving deception foisted by the 72-year old con artist. The old pimp, he literally discriminates against Sarah Failing before our eyes, by ordering her to be treated differently than the other candidates. Sarah is so un-prepared, it’s ridiculous! She is naiveté in full bloom. Really, it’s just sad, quite sad and pathetic.

He threw a John McCain sounds even worse than throwing Hail Mary passes! Oh my God, he threw a John McCain at us. I cannot describe the desperation tactics of the McCain/Failing ticket any other way. Lord help us all, McCain is abusing the Hail Mary with this VP pick of Sarah Failing!

Why do you say is a lie about the tax,Is obama president.Has he implemented the tax.Abc lies.All our eggs are in one basket.IRAQ,IRAQ.WE have lost every thing over iraq war.

Tears and more tears… The big, bad, bogeyman Obama was rude to the sweet, cute, cuddley little bitty Johnnie boy. Gimme a break. McCain needs to take his filibustering butt back to the senate and hope he gets re-elected. He must be held accountable for his erratic behaviors. Political stunts every other weak, such as canceling the debate and then showing up with wet britches just doesn’t cut it! McChicken is a wimp with a Napolean complex! The usual, little man syndrome!

He threw a McCain = another term for TEMPTER TANTRUMS!

The Obama Missouri Political Truth Squad supported by the police and government officials is an unconstitutional action. It reminds people of Hitler and the Nazis of World War II. The truth squad is prejudging persons by saying that only Senator Obama tells the truth, doesn‘t sway from his position and definitely never changes his mind. That in itself is a lie. We all know that Senator Obama distorts the truth and that Senator Obama lies.
All person have a constitutional right to talk and print criticisms about anything, including Senator Obama. We all have a right to our opinions whether the Missouri Ethics Commission likes it or not. It is Senator Obama’s responsibility to prove that people are telling lies about his character and affiliations. People know the truth about Senator Obama and it seems that the truth squad would not know the truth if it fell on them.
The Missouri Ethics Commission is not above the BILL OF RIGHTS of the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. Bill of Rights Amendment I:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The above includes The Missouri Ethics Commission. The Missouri Ethics Commission does not observe THE BILL OF RIGHTS and The Missouri Ethics Commission is guilty of unconstitutional acts.
The Attorney General should start immediate action to stop the unconstitutional acts in Missouri. Any one citizen or group of citizens can file suit against The Missouri Ethics Commission and any official usurping The Bill Of Rights.
Missouri returns to slavery and Obama leads the way.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

Obama was not well-versed at all in the debate. He stuttered throughout, and called Senator McCain “Jim” and “Tim.”
I am a liberal Democrat, but cannot vote for someone who has written only two bills and has one of the worst congressional attendance records.
Obama also has the dead eyes of someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Federal Bailouts (so far):
$8,900,000,000 IndyMac
$30,000,000,000 Bear Stearns
$85,000,000,000 AIG
$200,000,000,000 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
on top of $9,000,000,000,000 debt and Bush is seeking $700,000,000,000 more to bail out the fatcats! wow!
Who do you think will pay?
Republicans love to BORROW and spend! Hmmmmm..we”ll sell some I.O.Us (govt bonds) to get all this money, right? China is the leading purchaser now, right? Our debt is staggering, right? When our credit cards get maxed out, no one wants to give any more credit, right?

America lost its relationship with Venezuela because Bush/McCain refuse to talk with our enemies. In the meantime, Russia is talking with our enemies and forming new alliances. Are you republican robots truly as ignorant, stupid and illogical as you sound?

It”s really about a difference in philosophy. The republicans have it backwards! They insist on de-regulating business while regulating individual’s bedrooms, women’s uterus’s, as well as all civil liberties. On the other hand, democrats regulate business (so that we don’t have to bail out AIG’s at taxpayer expense…don’t have ENRON’s) while protecting individual civil liberties! Democrats are for CHOICE in all matters; whereas, republicans are for more torture – Abu Ghraib – Guantanamo – killing – Lying – slander – Denial lack of accountability – SPIN baby SPIN! McCain/Failing for more pork barrel pigs in lipstick!

Dani -
I would like it better if McCain would call Obama “Barack”, just like he calls Jim Leher “Jim” instead of “Mr. Leher”.
In other words, you can view this as an insult from either direction. In any case, each is choosing to address the other for effect, seeking to diminish the other in some way. It is so silly.

26-28 years of experience. come on now, with 20 years of experience, Sen.McCain still couldn’t be a Republican Presidential nominee. on year 2000 Sen.McCain still not as experience as G.W.Bush, eventough G.W.Bush was younger. It took Sen.McCain another 8 years of experience to become R.Pressidential nominee. why does it take so many years? is there no other good nominee from Republican between age 40-60? Where are the younger generation? Do they all don’t have enough experience for President of United States? Do they all need to wait for another 8 years or wait till 70+ years old so they can claim that they have tons of experience compare to younger Presidential Nominee from Democrat?

CommonSense – you’re lying again!
The collapse of AIG, Freddy and Fannie is due precisely due to government intervention by Democrats (Dodd, Frank and Obama). They attempted social engineering by coercing these institutions to loan money to poor people (subprime) that couldn’t afford to make the payments got us here.

No more social programs..we need a spending freeze..lower taxes on businesses and stop appeasing the enemies of this country. By the way “CommonSense” doesn’t know anything about Venezuela..the reason the USA and Venezuela do not see eye to eye is that South America will not listen to anyone in this country anymore..so If you think Obama will charm Chavez..DREAM ON..

Chuck :
McCain could not look at Obama because he has a problem with anger. He needed to keep his cool, and if he were to make eye contact he might go on a rant and start cursing. I am serious. He was very close to letting loose several times and if he had it would have been the end of him. Total meltdown.

jb- McCain losing it?
Not hardly.
Obama was the one stuttering and interrupting. He wasn’t really looking at McCain as much as glaring at him.
He seemed very inept at all this.

I’ve heard this kind of stuff before.
What Obama doesn’t plan for is the hundreds of small business owners that will drop their company health insurance plans, (because of high taxes) and send their employees to Obama’s national health plan.
Obama is planning for 50 million uninsured. But it could be as high as 100 million after it is all said and done.
Your taxes WILL be raised. (There is no other way to do all of what Obama plans.)

Undecided doesn’t sound undecided to me.
Commonsense however does have common sense.

Michael, clearly you are the typical republican who fears everything. You have no confidence in America, so, you want to put a fence around you and live in isolation. Obama won the debate on foreign policy and everyone saw it. Obama knows how to negotiate and doesn’t fear talking to our enemies. I understand why Bush/McCain have low self-esteem and so much fear. Both were beer drinking frat boys who scored in the bottom of their classes. Their low intelligence has made them behave as traitors. Heck, McCain even made between 20 – 30 propaganda videos for the enemy during his captivity.

Wow the Marxists are out in force now..
You make too much money! Give it to me!
Maybe the reason you don’t make very much money is because your hands are always out waiting on someone else to take care of you. Listen, the “rich” already pay MORE then their fair share. We need smaller government not bigger. The real answer is to cut spending not increase taxes/spending.
Some statistics for you all:
Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income. The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%). The top 10% earns 43.11% (2000: 46.01%); the top 25% earns 65.23% (2000: 67.15%), and the top 50% earns 86.19% (2000: 87.01%) of all the income.

Sarah Failing, people who never blink are scary people!

The only thing I fear is people that try to get elected by playing off the class warfare card.
Poor, Middle and Rich are all citizens.
To get one class to hate the other all in the name of getting elected is dispicable.
People like you fall for it hook, line and sinker.

OBAMA IS FOR THE FREE MARKETS OF CAPITALISM, constrained by the conscience of sensible government regulation! Obama understands that the government is just as essential to capitalism as is the consumer; and, he understands the government’s role to enhance and create new industries and markets when the private sector is failing to do so. For example, Obama sees that the markets are not “laissez faire capitalism” when it comes to our energy industries. This is evident by the abnormally high gas prices that are hurting the consumer. He understands far better than Bush/McCain that our way to independence is through alternative energies, such as FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY, BIO-MASS, BIO-DIESEL, WIND, SOLAR, BIO-THERMAL TECHNOLOGIES. Obama knows how to unleash NASA again, unfettered by the sinister repression of free scientific thought, the BUSH/McCain sought to SILENCE and edit the scientists. Obama respects the opinions of ECONOMISTS, unlike Bush/McCain/Palin, who tried to pander with gas holiday gimmicks. OBAMA 08, YES WE CAN!!

Michael -
Up early are we?
I didn’t say he lost it. The reason he didn’t lose it is that he did not get personal by looking Obama in the eye. Once John gets personal he gets ugly. Yes Obama speaks in spurts as he assembles his thoughts, and one gets the idea he is parsing his talking points, stringing them together. What would you do, come up with something completely fresh and new every time? McCain does the same thing but in bigger hunks. Last night he repeated many of the same things he says at his Rallys. But that’s not what I am talking about. I am talking about the way each candidate chose to address each other, the camera, the crowd, and the moderator, for better or worse. Obama looked at McCain. McCain avoided looking at Obama. No reason to be overanalytical, but if you have a theory as to motives, please share it.

As a POW, McCain gave out more than “name, rank, and serial number!” McCain gave the enemy the location of his base as well as the target he was going to bomb. He also told them his father was the famous Admiral McCain. In return, for giving out confidential, classified information in violation of the US military Code of Conduct, McCain was given preferential treatment by his captors. Upon McCain’s POW release and return to the states, within 1 month McCain divorced his first wife, Carol (she was a former model), because in the 3rd year of her loyal waiting for her POW husband and father of their 3 children to return, on Christmas eve while in route to deliver Christmas presents to family friends she was injured in a car wreck that required 20 operations and left her with weight gain and a limp. In total violation of biblical teaching, that states flatly that divorce is allowable only for adultery, McCain ditched Carol and married Cindi; hence, McCain and Cindi are committing adultery before our eyes. Bristol Palin, the daughter of McCain’s VP nominee, is an unwed, teenage pregnant mother having committed adultery in violation of Biblical teaching. McCain-Palin=Adultery First! McCain-Palin=Broker than the 10 commandments! Too bad McCain-Palin actions are in direct contrast to their Christian right-wing holier than thou attitudes and policies.

Did anyone else heard why the economic meeting held this week when into a complete meltdown. It was because of Obama inability to chair the meeting. The democratic leaders had Obama chair the meeting so they can come with a statement saying that Obama took charge and show strong leadership in the economic meeting with the President. Unfortunately, it did not go as planned. It was said that Obama started the meeting confused, using wrong facts, and not able to get his words out. All attendees were promised not to say anything about what happen in the meeting. It you noticed no one from the democratic party that attended the meeting mentioned any things about Obama’s performance, chairing the meeting. If Obama had performance well, you better believe the party would have shared it with the media.
How can I get or hear the full script of the economic meeting?

CommoSense is really for the fist stage of the new Socialism, first “State Capitalism”..jut like what Obama is proposing more government controls and social programs..among them a huge state agency to regulate your medical issues..then watch and see the final nail in the coffin..the USA will be another socialist state.

Basically, America has lost its farming base and its manufacturing base. Driving our economic growth for the last eight years has been the FINANCE BUBBLE, credit and mortgages, coupled with exotic derivatives and other risky financial instruments. We need a leader who can inspire America with a vision that results in Americans actually MANUFACTURING something of value for the world other than EXOTIC FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. OBAMA stands alone as the candidate taking us in that direction.

Last night, Obama did not look well and a little old.

Obama has no experience,all he does is TALK..TALK..Obama is way over his head..

John McCain and Linsdey Graham got it wrong! There is no greater honor than running for President of the United States of America (the POTUS). Erratically suspending your campaign, breaking your agreement to debate this Friday, and running away from the POTUS to hide in your old job of 26 years, shows a lack of respect and total disdain for the competency of your former colleagues. Furthermore, it’s clear that you did it because you were un-prepared to debate, afraid that Obama was going to defeat you one on one, as the polls show that he did, and that you are unable to multi-task! You momentarily abandoned the most important, patriotic honor anyone can hope to have, seeking the POTUS as your party’s nominee. Once again, you rejected the will of the American people for the debate this Friday in support of your own erratic agenda; and, then turned around and showed up anyway, just like the FLIP-FLOPPER that you are. You are not running for Senate re-election, McCain. However, in running for the POTUS, your action was a gimmick and distraction, from both the work of the Senate as well as the Office of the POTUS.
McCain, you are a distraction to both. Please take your Circus act, with all your lipstick, pigs, moose, 13 cars, 11 houses, 2 wives (Carol in the eyes of God and Cindi the adulteress), power abusing, de-regulator, Phil Gramm nation of whiners, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, unwed teenage pregnancy, ethics investigation, stick the $1,000 rape kit to the victim in Wasilla, bunch on your Bridge Outta Here. John McCain, sit down and shut up!

Finish this sentence:
ess is an angry ______ _________

Hmmmm…..whats the best saying to use here….the hurt dog makes the most noise…the empty wagon rattles the loudest?? either one works. On this board, all the initial outrage seems to be coming from the right. No one lost or won that debate last night, however, there is an honest shift towards Obama in the last few weeks that will continue over the 5 weeks because; he has a stronger better funded campaign and the country is naturally leaning to the left now after 7 1/2 of the worst U.S. years since the Civil War.

John McCain and Linsdey Graham got it wrong! There is no greater honor than running for President of the United States of America (the POTUS). Erratically suspending your campaign, breaking your agreement to debate this Friday, and running away from the POTUS to hide in your old job of 26 years, shows a lack of respect and total disdain for the competency of your former colleagues. Furthermore, it’s clear that you did it because you were un-prepared to debate, afraid that Obama was going to defeat you one on one, as the polls show that he did, and that you are unable to multi-task! You momentarily abandoned the most important, patriotic honor anyone can hope to have, seeking the POTUS as your party’s nominee. Once again, you rejected the will of the American people for the debate this Friday in support of your own erratic agenda; and, then turned around and showed up anyway, just like the FLIP-FLOPPER that you are. You are not running for Senate re-election, McCain. However, in running for the POTUS, your action was a gimmick and distraction, from both the work of the Senate as well as the Office of the POTUS.
McCain, you are a distraction to both. Please take your Circus act, with all your lipstick, pigs, moose, 13 cars, 11 houses, 2 wives (Carol in the eyes of God and Cindi the adulteress), power abusing, de-regulator, Phil Gramm nation of whiners, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, unwed teenage pregnancy, ethics investigation, stick the $1,000 rape kit to the victim in Wasilla, bunch on your Bridge Outta Here. John McCain, sit down and shut up!

Republicans are for PRIVATIZING WEALTH while SOCIALIZING THE BAD DEBT mistakes of the fatcats!

It”s really about a difference in philosophy. The republicans have it backwards! They insist on de-regulating business while regulating individual’s bedrooms, women’s uterus’s, as well as all civil liberties. On the other hand, democrats regulate business (so that we don’t have to bail out AIG’s at taxpayer expense…don’t have ENRON’s) while protecting individual civil liberties! Democrats are for CHOICE in all matters; whereas, republicans are for more torture – Abu Ghraib – Guantanamo – killing – Lying – slander – Denial lack of accountability – SPIN baby SPIN! McCain/Failing for more pork barrel pigs in lipstick!

If you think Bush is bad, just wait until Obama gets into the White House. Bush is a big government Republican and Obama is nothing more than your typical tax-and-spend liberal Democrat. Hey, if you think about it Obama has more in common with Bush when it comes to the issue of spending. Hmmm… Perhaps McCain should start running ads making that point. Well, guess what? The bill is coming due and I’m not talking about the $700 billion bailout for Wall Street. There is a $53 trillion nightmare over the horizon in the form of medicare and other entitlement commitments. Now, how are we going to afford socialized medicine and all the other promises Obama is making? McCain may not be a conservative in the mold of Reagan, but he does believe in common sense spending and limited government. I’ll take McCain over Obama any day.

Sally -
That was George W. Bush’s meeting.
They met at the White House (Thats where our presidents live and work).
If you want to see a transcript you would have to get it from GWB. If it would make Obama look bad, you can bet he would show it to you. Why don’t you just pinch your nose with your fingers and hold your breath until he releases it?
Really – catch a clue

The most significant change that Obama/Biden will bring to the White House is leadership that actually leads, by changing our government’s strategies and culture so that they have a better fit to the global economy. Obama has an excellent ability to shape a strategic vision of a realistic and attractive future that binds us together as Americans and focuses our energy toward super ordinate goals as a nation. Obama stands alone as the candidate who can frame messages around a grand purpose with emotional appeal that captivates the best in us. Transformational leaders not only talk about a vision; they enact it. They walk the talk by stepping outside the executive suite and doing things that symbolize the vision, the way that Obama performed during the primaries and the way he has run a STELLAR overall campaign. Obama stands alone as the candidate best equipped to demonstrate a Can Do attitude with an image of honesty, trust, and integrity. OBAMA IS THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! OBAMA 08; Yes We Can

OBAMA IS LEADING! In the polls, in history, in new voter registration, in fundraising, in campaign management, by every metric possible! Conventional wisdom has always said that you can determine how a president will lead by observing how he leads his campaign and the decision he made in picking his vice presidential nominee! Obama/Biden 08, real leadership for a new generation! What a STELLAR campaign being run by an incredible young, American leader! Go OBAMA/BIDEN

CommonSense…most of the people who post on here regularly know you are a lefty shill for the Democrats. Your rants go ignored for the most part. You flat out get it wrong so why don’t you go back to guarding the keys to the room where Obama has tied up Reverand Wright, Bill Ayers, and most of his other shady Chicago connections. You can let them all out after election day.

Will someone correct this Rookie? Whenever he says he will cut taxes on 95% of Americans I cringe because no one corrects him-About 45% of Americans do not pay anything in taxes!!!! How do you cut nothing?
Obama, how about being honest to the American people. This is the country of opportunity! Stay in school, learn some skills, set some goals and with hard work good things will come. Pouring money into the system or taking from the wealthy will not help. It creates a system of “expectation or entitlement”. Wake up America!

Families making less than $250K/year won’t really get any tax break. Those who are over $100K will see very little if any tax break. Those earning less than $100K are already paying a smaller percentage, so the total tax cut they’ll see will be tiny.
What liberals fail to understand is that raising taxes will slow down the economy, which will raise unemployment. So, first, a family earning $60K/year will save $100 on taxes. Second, someone in that family will lose their job and their income will drop to $30K. Who wins?
Obama will raise taxes on businesses. As a result, companies will just ship more jobs overseas where taxes are more reasonable. The end result, again, is a slowing economy and higher unemployment. The tax base will decrease and the total tax revenue will go down, despite higher percentage rates. What will the democrats do in the next election then? Raise taxes some more?
Don’t believe in Obama’s communist propaganda (rob the rich, give to the poor) – everybody looses in the end under Marxist regimes.
Vote McCain/Palin!

commonsence…you really need some help…seriously !!!!

Palin’s 2 ethics investigations, and out of control daughter (who was statutorily raped) fit McCain’s erratic, poor judgment character>>>generally, Republicans view laws and rules as something to bend or skirt (pardon the pun) around. The McCain-Palin ticket is the biggest insult ever…ever…ever>>>WHAT A JOKE!

So $200,000 vs. $250,000? Big whoop. It’s still about double what I make and it’s definitely rich. Obama is right. McCain is wrong. And for those of you misinformed idiots who claim that “Obama is a socialist” – remember that it’s Bush and the GOP who are trying to socialize the financial infastructure right now. LOL

One of the reasons Obama did not want to attend the economic meeting, he did not want to be contacted with the bailout plan because it favor some of his old partners at ACORN which is under federal investigation. This information was undercover in the economic meeting, which upset most the republican leaders that attended. The bailout will allow 20% of the profit to be given to the group ACORN that Obama was once a lawyer for two years and work for. If the old bailout planned (with McCain forcing Obama to attend) had passed and once the people find out about the money going to ACORN and people learned of Obama associated with ACORN, then Obama could had said “I did not know about it being in the bailout plan and I was not part of those meeting that agreed with it.

Sally – that’s bullcrap and you are a liar. Thanks!

When we went to war with Panama, we got Noriega and that was it. Only an idiot would try to change an entire regime, when, all ya had to do was pluck out Saddam as we did Noriega>>>if that really was the issue. The “surge” was not necessary, cause, the reduction in violence has been from the fact that we “hired” all of Saddam’s former party members (The Awakening). We could have done that without any troops. BUSH/MCCAIN/FAILIN are slap idiots!

Common Sense is a lefty liberal loon. Leave Sarah Palin’s family out of this!!!
Barry Obama has no judgment! It was exposed last night repeatedly!
Here’s a piece of common sense for you….your golden boy Sheik Al Barrack Hussein Obama is going back to Chicago defeated. He will probably resign frmo the U.S senate because he used that job only as a prop to get him to run for POTUS. Maybe a community league will hire him as a basketball coach…more in line with his resume anyway.

Posted by: CommonSense ..i know you won’t reply to this because you are deaf, dumb and blind…but, seriously, do you actually believe the C R A P you type?…all kidding aside, i’m curious.

You’re all a bunch of morons. Do you really think any of you are going to change anyone else’s opinion on this board? Give a person a computer and they all think they’re great intellectuals and philosophers.
Get real, try not to have preconceived ideas and sit back and listen to these debates without prejudices. Then on November 4th make a decision.

CommonSense you are a fool..DO NOT COMPARE PANAMA WITH IRAQ..you are another ignorant left winger.
Panama is a christian nation that didn’t pose a mortal threat to this country..have you forgotten about 9/11 you FOOL.

CommonSense..get out your dictionary, look up ” idiot”…go look in your mirror and take a pill. denial is your worst enemy.

Irrespective of what we do with the taxes, the only long term solution for the Federal Budget is to reign in spending which is McCain’s forte.
In the past week, the Democrats have proven things are going to be business as usual by secret spending meetings and politicizing the market mess.
If they were truly smart they would try and get the focus off of that mess because its roots only lead back to them not their opponents.

balanced blade: Obama and Acorn
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI
http://archive.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/barack_obama_sought_the_new_partys_endorsement_knowing_it_was_a_radical_left_organization
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/05/obamas-acorn/

McCain was the clear winner in my eyes. Obama is a rookie and shows no command of the topics. God help America if Obama is elected. Do we really want a socialist, far left leaning society?

I’m not sure where everyone else lives in this country, but where I am from, anyone who makes over $100,000 is rich, so 200k or 250k: what the hell did McCain mean last night when he said he would be interested to see what Obama’s idea of “rich” is? I am a college educated-single woman, going to graduate school next year, and I will only see a salary of 200K or more if I dream really hard or marry rich, so sorry mr. McCain that YOUR idea of the average american income is 1/4 million dollars per year. McCain is a Joke, and his running mate is such a bad joke it’s no longer funny. In the words of John Stossel, GIVE ME A BREAK!

George Bush has been president for almost 8 years. His economic policy is the same as McCain’s – trickle down, minimal regulation.

TROOPERGATE – Trooper Mike Wooten was disciplined long before Palin took office as governor. A bipartisan committee of the Alaskan legislature voted 12 to 0 to investigate Palin after she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan after it was learned that he had refused to fire the already disciplined Wooten who prior to his discipline had been involved in a messy divorce with Palin’s sister. The situation regarding Palin’s sister’s divorce and some inconsistent statements by Governor Palin call into question the real reasons for this firing. In fact, Governor Palin had used her Chief Of Staff, Mike Tibbles, her husband, the state’s Attorney General and herself to contact Public Safety Commissioner Monegan no less than 24 times in regards to complaints about Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten. Common sense tells us that she “abused her power as governor.” Go figure…

Wow! So he said $250,000 income instead of $200,000 income. That’s a major mistake? It’s sure going to affect almost all of us, isn’t it?

Isn’t Obama the second biggest recipient of Freddie Mac political contributions after Chris Dodd? And Franklin Raines is one of Obama’s top economic advisors, the same Raines who collected $90 million while running Fannie Mae into the ground? Fundalmental reforms were put forward by McCain and others in Congress to rein in Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae in 2005 but liberal Democrats like Chris Dodd, Barack Obama, and Barney Frank killed it. Remember these are the same guys receiving the lion share of political contributions from both organizations. Now look at the mess we’re in. Funny how you all want to put Obama in charge of the economy? Yikes!

JB – I guess you don’t read the news – it was held yesterday, at the White House, about our economy.

Obama/Bailout/Acorn – Obama connection with Acorn to release 20% of taxpayer profit from bailout plan. Thank God for McCain for helping to uncover this and help killed this plan.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI
http://archive.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/barack_obama_sought_the_new_partys_endorsement_knowing_it_was_a_radical_left_organization
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/05/obamas-acorn/
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/25/kill-the-bailout-more-acorn-funding/

McCain lied repeatedly about Obama’s record last night and ABC quibbles over $50,000? Talk about media bias! ABC is obviously in the tank for McCain

Richard Says:
I hate seeing ignorant people saying that Obama is a fraud. Specifically those who naively support the bullying Republican party without just cause. Though I cannot find any particular just cause to do so.
Who is it the media is picking on? Who is it Hollywood is picking on? Does not Obama run negative ads? Who brought on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae ans squelched corrective legislation?
If the Republican party bullies, well we would have to say the Democrats connive and denigrate.

How come McCain forgot to wear his flag pin last night? Does he no longer support the troops? Symbols matter! McCain needs to show us that he loves America and supports the troops! Without wearing a little metal flag pin that’s made in China on his lapel, how will we Americans know that he’s patriotic? I am so confused!

The McCain/Obama debate shows me that Obama is a dreamer with empty meaningless words. Obama is totally out of reality. He will cost taxpayers more than the financial crisis we suffer today.

The simple fact is that for most Americans, Obama’s plan will lower taxes while McCain’s will raise them. For the very richest American’s the reverse is true. See CNN’s summary of the non-partisan Tax Policy Institute: http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

I have no problem with socialism anymore. President Bush and Hank Paulson want to socialize the banking sector to protect the wealthy and Rush Limbaugh says that’s okay. So socialism is a-ok with me now! Except for healthcare and things that will help poor people. I think socialism should be reserved for those who deserve it most – the rich. They worked hard for their free money and should be rewarded with more. Yay for socialism!

raise your hands if you think CommonSence has no commonsence

Do you realize that a lot of small business owner file their company income in their personal income because it is cheaper than file the profits under the business. So a lot of small business owners will file person income taxes over the 250,000 even though they personally don’t make that much. These people then are going to pay more in taxes which in turn will affect their business. If their business has to pay more in taxes then they wont be able to hire more people and they might even have to let people got to make budget. This dose not sound like a good idea to. So taxing people who make 250,000 or more on paper might sound good doesn’t really work out so well.

Raise your hands if you think LordHelpLiberals is a deluded dumbf–k.

If you really want an answer as to why we are in this economic mess and why Obama is a disaster waiting to happen, then read this article.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13931

Two points I’d like to make in contrast to some of the comments here. There are many more I could make, but I’m too tired.
#1) Obama does NOT oppose nuclear power. There are safety issues with storage of spent fuel – problems with transportation to Yucca, the fact that Yucca is not open yet and may never open, and the fact that we have uranium being stored onsite at nuclear facilities all over the country. If those issues are satisfactorily resolved, Obama will be on board with building new plants.
#2) McCain’s health care plan will cost us a ton. I’ll suddenly be taxed on the $14,000 it costs my company to provide my medical benefits. And, should they decide to do away with medical coverage because of McCain’s move to independent insurance, sure, I’ll get a $5000 tax credit, but I’ll have to come up with the additional funds to actually purchase the insurance. We know the insurance lobby in Washington is one of the most powerful and they will do everything to protect their interests. You can darn well bet this will include price increases on medical coverage. It’s a disastrous plan.

jb: So you want post under my id what a shame. You learned well from your master Obama to lie and cheat if you can not win.

OK Raven.
If it was a White House meeting, it was called by George W. Bush, who is the president. When the president calls a meeting he runs the meeting. There is no such thing as a presidential meeting where someone else is in charge. (Someone on the board has suggested that Obama was running the meeting and could not preserve order) Neither Obama nor McCain is president. There can be only one president at a time. If Obama or McCain was president, they would have called the meeting and invited whomever they wanted to invite to deliver the desired results. From what has been reported the meeting was a circus. Look – you don’t like Obama and will believe any negatives anyone wants to tell you about him. This is trite.

Ok..i am a moron…my dad and mother were sister and brother and also my aunt and uncle..i don’t have a clue about anything..i only comment here because i do not have a life…so, please allow me to rant and raqve aboutr nothing at all..it gives me something to do…my wife left me last year to be with her sister.

Americans are really fed up with McCains Dramatics and twisted misleading lies. All he did was act like a cranky, disrepectful old man who is either too scared or too ugly to look is opponent in the eye!!! BIG Win for Obama!!! Big win in NOV for OBAMA!!

I am so confused by McCain not wearing a flag pin last night. I want to vote for him, but now I don’t know if he’s patriotic anymore. How can I vote for a man who doesn’t support the troops? Has McCain gone over to the terrorists? Is he working with Al Queda now? How can he go around without a flag pin? Why does he hate America now?

The daddy’s basement posters here have no clue what their parents will be having to pay if Obama is President!!! Oh wait…many of them have no daddy. Once they become real Taxpayers they will change their tunes. Hey when you go to your mommy for your allowance..do not be surprised if half her pay check is eaten away by the Obama taxes. Spoiled children. I hope we have a big depression…so these kids will see what we older Americans learned. But they have no idea how to survive…yea…I’m for thinning out the weak in the herd.

Sally -
I think you may have misread something. I didn’t post under your name – maybe I was addressing you. I don’t know how to post under anything but jb. I’m thinking that if I did post as sally, jb would not appear, so why would you think it is me?

Common Sence – you’re right, you ARE a moron. Common Sense, on the other hand, is a very smart and well-spoken poster whose posts make good, clear sense to me. Good luck, sounds like a hard life being so stupid. LOL

The most significant change that Obama/Biden will bring to the White House is leadership that actually leads, by changing our government’s strategies and culture so that they have a better fit to the global economy.
Obama has an excellent ability to shape a strategic vision of a realistic and attractive future that binds us together as Americans and focuses our energy toward super ordinate goals as a nation.
Obama stands alone as the candidate who can frame messages around a grand purpose with emotional appeal that captivates the best in us. Transformational leaders not only talk about a vision; they enact it. They walk the talk by stepping outside the executive suite and doing things that symbolize the vision, the way that Obama performed during the primaries and the way he has run a STELLAR overall campaign, the way he won the debate.
Obama stands alone as the candidate best equipped to demonstrate a Can Do attitude with an image of honesty, trust, and integrity.
OBAMA IS THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! OBAMA 08; Yes We Can

you AMERICANS are all R E T A R D E D..seriously.

Kimbers is right, Patrick, the Spectator is a trashy, biased, partisan rightwing rag that’s all opinions and no facts. It is not credible or respected by anyone but other partisan wingnuts. Decent people don’t take it very seriously. Next!

i resemble that comment..i am also a moron

well, CommonSence…. how nice of you to call Americans names….yea we made it possible to you to say that…saving your butts for over 100 yrs now.
But since you could not post anything bad about your government in your local paper…it’s nice to see you can post that here.

For every rant by CommonSense…3 bloggers change their allegiance to McCain. Keep it up!! McCain/Palin thanks you for your support!

“thousands of people loose their jobs”
his has been happening for the last 8 years under the Bush administration. Why would a continuation of the same policy under McCain make things any better. It is not all related to taxes, and there is not enough money in “earmarks” to make a difference. In fact, on the local level, federal spending is good for the economy. Look up “depression, great”. Largely, we are suffering from a lack of imagination.
And Commonsense has a lot of sense.

Obama took a little political license as all politicians do and used the couple instead of the individual number for his example, so what. I wonder why the article doesn’t mention that Obama’s statement was in response to a flat out lie by McCain when McCain said Obama’s tax plan would raise taxes at 43K. ALL independent tax reviews of the two plans show Obama’s plan giving far more of a break to the middle class and McCain’s plan giving far more to the highest of incomes. Obama is absolutely correct when saying McCain is in this for the rich and why wouldn’t he be, McCain and his wife are worth over $100 million. Nothing that McCain does as president will ever affect him or his grandchildren.

Does anybody not remember that (many years ago in a country not so far away) MCCAIN was rabid in supporting the deregulation of Wall Street? So Cindy and his other buddies could skirt the rules and make huge fortunes? Look how well that worked out for the average American. If you don’t thinks McCain’s millions are on Wall Street being handled by the big guys you are very naive. Now look what’s happened – GREAT JUDGEMENT, MCCAIN.

I think I understand why McCain wasn’t wearing his flag pin now: it’s pretty clear that he is a “Manchurian Candidate” and his North Vietnamese handlers have finally “activated” him. That explains why he was like a robot that couldn’t look Obama in the eye last night. But McCain – being a godlike American POW hero – had a backup plan. He knew that the North Vietnamese commies wouldn’t support the troops and that when they took over his mind with their dirty commie codeword, the first thing they would do is force him to stop supporting the troops by not wearing a flag pin. So McCain made sure to wear the flag pin every day so that true Americans who watch FOX News would know that when he STOPPED wearing it, that it was time to come to his rescue! Don’t worry, John! I got the signal! I understand that you still support the troops and love America, but that your mind is being held hostage by Vietnamese commies! I am going to out and burn down a Vietnamese restaurant today to help save you! USA! USA! USA!

I wil say one last thing…you all S U C K !! Obama is like G O D …he is my G O D …he will rule and punish you non believers.

Obama and his wife are Nazi wife-swapping devil-worshippers! If you don’t believe me Google it! I am not crazy!

Obama and wife lure white Christian children into their basement and then murder them and use their blood in satanic rituals. If you don’t believe me Google it! I am not crazy no matter what Dr. Frankel told the court!

I think Commonsense is off his meds. But he is right about one thing, a lot of Obama’s supporters think of him as The Chosen One.

We can fix our economy right now if we would just sharply increase taxes on employers, savers, investors, big business, small business, anyone who would start a business, and workers who make too much money. We need more power and authority for the wise, selfless, government bureaucrats in Washington who really understand our economy and how to fix it. Then, acting only in the public interest for the good of all peoples, without any influence from special interests or politics, they can impose new regulatory burdens on the stupid, greedy, corrupt businesses that actually hire the workers and pay them their wages.
We also need more money and power for Washington to increase federal spending by an additional trillion plus dollars. Then, we can give $50 billion each year to the UN to fight a global war on poverty. As a nation of hopeful peoples, we could then also spend so much more here at home for child care, health care, welfare, education, state and local government spending, new green energy based on love rather than greed, and retooled cars designed for the social good, all run by the government and those same wise, all-knowing, non-political, government bureaucrats in Washington.
This is the Barack Obama economic recovery plan. He got it from the same people who developed the Hugo Chavez economic plan for Venezuela. Honest.

Congrats folks on finally unmasking CommonSense. His last post about Obama being his “god” reveals his identity as a cult leader. That is
all Obama is…a cult leader with a legion of goons brainwashed to believe him to be a messiah.
Thank God for common sense Americans coming to THEIR senses that McCain is the only choice. The ONLY choice.

Diane – Don’t you understand what’s happened? Our John has been brainwashed by a bunch of damn yellow commies and we true Americans need to step up and free him before Obama and his America-hating wife can seize power and impose radical muslim socialism on America. Either you’re for us or you’re against us! I am launching a secret, rambo-like attack on Vietnam to free McCain’s mind. Are you with me?

CommonSense…are you threatening the US? Where are you from? Are you telling us that Al Queda will bomb us if Obama is not elected? MMMMM….a great reason to vote for McCain!!! We in this country do not stand for threats!!! We are not dictated to!!! You need to have the FBI look at you….I consider you a threat to America!!!

Commonsense,
It’s sad you have none. I’m so glad you live in the US where you can spout off all the dribble you have stored up in that tiny little mind of yours.
Obama himself, said we were facing the greatest crisis since the Great Depression and you would have them sit in their rooms and stay up all night cramming for the debates like some 20ish frat boy afraid of failing his finals.
McCain showed true leadership in not putting his own ambitions in front of the good of the nation. The Republicans were not majorly included in hammering out a “true” deal and it only stands to reason that the Next President should be heavily involved in determining the policy that will effect generations to come. Obama said, “Call me if you need me, I be there in a hurry, and that you can depend and never worry!” paraphrased. What a sad, weak, and lame, comment to make. Not ready to lead Obama!!!
I thought Obama did better than I expected but I still think McCain aced the debate. Round 1 – McCain

As an undecided voter, I looked this up wks ago. BO is accurate. In the washington post it lists the tax proposals of both candidates.
I was concerned about McCain’s lack of eye contact and smirking during the debate. I was expecting to hear more about rising costs of living expenses we’ve had b/c of the Bush Administration. The debate did make it seem like McCain has been a part of the problem, giving breaks only to the wealthy corporations. I’m having doubts about McCain after that debate.

i am a card carrying Ronald Reagan conservative..it appears commonsense has taken my name and using it..what an idiot…

Does anyone else have a sick feeling that if McCain is elected President , we will end up in another major war? I get that vibe from him.

I am a card carrying Blockbuster renter and I am organizing a supersecret mission to Vietnam to free John McCain’s brain. Who wants to get in on the action. No military training necessary, just come over my trailer and watch some Rambo movies. But you have to bring your own gun. USA! USA! USA!

This from ST -
“Regarding Obama’s proposed tax increase: Currently, the top 10% of income earners (household) pay 68% of all Federal Income Taxes. And this is not enough? How long before he will take the next step and have the top 10% of earners pay 100% of the taxes so everyone else can be deadbeats? How greedy. How socialistic. How un-American.”
ST – Bingo! You got it right!

Obama and his wife are nazis just like Vladimir Putin and Hillary Clinton. Anyone who is not a extreme rightwing conservative is a nazi. I am not crazy. If I was crazy, would the orderlies let me use the computer in the dayroom? No!

All the polls show Americans now understand Obama is the stronger candidate. You right wing fighters just keep swinging against the wind. Obama will be the next President of the United States and finally we will have a President that will put Americans before corporate welfare. I’m out, have a great day — Obama/Biden 08’

McCain does not blink – like a lizard or a mighty komodo dragon. Our enemies will quake in fear when they see that our President is a powerful, remorseless killing machine like a komodo dragon. When Vladimir putin sees McCain crush the skull of a small deer in his mighty jaws he will no longer rear his head in Alaska’s airspace. I am not crazy. The doctors are liars!

Obama kept agreeing with McCain during the debate. Let’s face it, Obama did okay during the debate but he LOST… Now I’m outta here!

Obama won the debate, I still support Hillary, but Obama won it. McCain is not even a consideration…I cannot even understand how ANYBODY would even consider McCain/Palin, they are whackos.
Obama/Biden ’08 Hillary/Pelosi ’12

Patrick – face it, McCain lost. Obama won.

I look at these comments and it is little wonder why we can just buy your vote every four years. You foolish people seem to think that these elections are about some petty little issue.
In the end, the candidate who is subject to the least amount of bashing takes all. So my friends and I just have to fund some so-called citizens group that is eager to sling mud on national television. The best investment we ever made was in Swift Boats. You fanatic patriot types are never in short supply.
Oh I’m sorry; you all like to think that you voted for him. Well then, this mess is your fault isn’t it? HA, HA, I love it.
I mean, you can’t really fault the man himself; he was just acting on some advice. The real power lies with those that influence him. You must never forget that all politicians are in fact just influence peddlers. When it comes to the Bush Dynasty, well let’s just say that we got those good old boys locked up tight. That’s right, we’ve had em for years, suckers.
For those of you, who are worried about money, don’t be. They have a printing press, and can make more of it at any time. It is after all, just a bunch of worthless little pieces of paper. But as long as you fools are willing to go out and work for it every day, it doesn’t really matter anyway.
See you morons at the polls, I got to go whip this fool into shape.
MCAIN! GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE!

Diane – the more you deny that you’re crazy, the crazier you appear.

Barack Obama and his wife are nazi devil worshipper wife swappers who don’t recycle. I know this because of the Google. My dog told me this and I googled it and it was true. I am an older woman with education and experience and I am not crazy.

Dianne – I agree. We need a non-blinking, giant-reptile as a President. But I disagree with your characterization of McCain as a Komodo dragon. I see him as a powerful nile crocodile, lying in silent wait for America’s enemies, ready to spring forward on his powerful hind legs, propelled by his massive tail, to grab them in his terrible jaws like a wildebeast and drag them under the murky water for a slow death roll. This is the way I see McCain – as a powerful, ancient crocodile. Like a crocodile, he has the wisdom of age to know that he can kill a wildebeast, but store it’s lifeless corpse in an underwater grotto to devour later. This is the kind of no-nonsense common sense wisdom we need in our half-man/half-reptile leaders.

Yavo – that’s a good point. But why not depict McCain as a fearsome Australian saltwater Crocodile? Their jaws can crush a small volkswagen, much like McCain. And like the komodo dragon and the nile croc, the fearsome Australian saltwater crocodile DOES NOT BLINK. John McCain will NOT BLINK when he is devouring unlucky fishermen in the Australian outback, and that is what I look for in a my giant reptile Presidents. I am still NOT crazy!

I cannot wait to see President McCain take Vladimir Putin’s head in his mighty crocodile jaws and take him under the Potomac for a slow death roll. That is what a leader who doesn’t blink will do to our enemies! USA! USA! USA! I am still not crazy!

ABCStats: How do the rest of know that you really work for ABC? I can say that I have been working for Obama and just realized that he is all-talk,& little action, unless he’s getting money from government to dole out-look at the amount of his pork programs.during his short time in the U.S. Senate…
To CommonSense:I researched campaign contributions & I found that Chris Dodd, Dem. Chair of Banking, Housing, & Urban Affairs took the largest amount of money from the financial, insurance & real estate industry. So how do you pin this financial crisis on Republicans solely.Since Carter Admin, this “home ownership for everyone” MADE banks accept for loans POOR RISK PEOPLE-people who didn’t have job skills & steady employment.
Amazingly, many of you Obamites want to criticize McCain about being a POW, a situation I’m sure he didn’t want, but you’re the same people who didn’t want Kerry criticized for his poor behavior during & immediately after his “service” during the Vietnam War.To those who think everyone passes tax increases on to their customers, many Americans work in the service industry: they teach, they work for small firms, they have SET SALARIES, so they can’t recapture their increased expenses.That doesn’t mean that they want government to step in w/entitlements. You people want it 2 ways-you want: more benefits which people who make more money than you to pay for;to stay home, not give up your time to get job skills & have immediate gratification for whatever you do while you don’t work…Grow up, accept responsibility for yourselves.Don’t look to government to make up for your lack of initiative.

One the economy, which is far more crucial than anything else – while Obama didn’t knock the homerun I though he would, McCain just plain struck out. He is clueless – he is weak and letting the party run his campaign. I am not a big supported of McCain, but this man has done a complete 180 since the summer. He has either been lying for years or he has given up himself and decided to let the party spin things and they are spinning out of control.
Let’s start with Palin – a maverick? not hardly, a woman driven to get whatever she wants at all costs, good far right Republican. Why not another female in the party….easily Palin will do WHATEVER the party wants, because she isn’t qualified, but she is a legend in her own mind. Comparing herself to Hillary Clinton – give me a break. If there is a Hillary supporter out there who is for Palin, you should be ashamed – you are not about Hillary and being qualified you are about putting a woman in office – any woman – wualified or not. This woman is NOT qualified. If she were she wouldn’t have to had be sequestered from the media – the party surrounding her to answer her questions like a lawyer around a guilty defendent. Speaking of which…….if she isn’t guilty of anything – then why delaying of troopergate testimonies? All this tainted investigation is a load od crap meant to slung at the democrats – its bull hockey-mom. It showmanship to gain attention as was this weeks lets posepone the debates.
I thought McCain was just trying to bail because he knew is butt had had it on the ecomomy – he blew – missed the boat calling it “sound” just before the market tumbled. Then trying to say that he called the American worker sound….what a laugh when the economy fails and jobs are lost, the workers sitting on their couch dazed instead of being at the place they worked for 20 years – explain how sound that is. And they the scripted Palin trying to say there go those Democrats mincing and twisting words again …this is from the woman who LIES about her record on the Bridge to Nowhere….
Give me a break John, you are no longer your own man – you are scripted and spun by your party. You are not only weak, but you have become a puppet. And to think – I actually considered looking at you when this whole process started. However, you lost me way back at the 100 year remark.
People wake up – the country has been under Republican rule for the past 8 years – Obama said it, we can’t take another 4 years of the last 8. McCain isn’t the man he once was, he is the Repubican party – the man he once was would have never picked Palin – he was losing ground and became desparate and let the party take over – if he can’t stand up to his own party, how can he stand up to the rest of the world.
McCain is living in the past and what we need is a future.
Obama/Biden 08 & 12

Remember when the AMT tax was started. I was to tax only the few “rich” people with over $40,000 income and above average deductions. Now, it is hitting huge numbers of people, but the revenue is so great, Congress can’t change it. Now, rich is being defined as over $200,000.
They say the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street works out to $2300 for every man, woman, & child in this country. How can Obama finance $800 billion of programs by taxing only the 5% making over $200,000?

Ultra: He can’t do all the programs clearly. And McCain can’t keep the war going and drop taxes too.
It’s nonsense.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Give me a break! since when is it vile to be wealthy, i hope that all who would work hard and earn as much as they want aren’t penalized by any politician that wants more of my hard earned money.
This class warfare has got ot stop, the same old victimization speech is sickening, Orataory doesn’t solve problems, placing blame doesn’t solve problems.
When you propose a tax the rich strategy you paly on the weak minded and insite prejudice, tax any segment of society unfairly and you will have a revolution.
STOP ALL THE YAK say NO to BARAK

I am voting for McCain because he wants to cut government waste. and he said it AGAIN last night. Lets face it. There are lot of lazy people working for the post office , dept of motor vehicles, and dept of human services. And they need to be eliminated so governement can run more efficiently.
Do you really want lazy people working in a government run healthcare system ? which is not going to work anyway. Do you think US tax payers should pay for the healthcare costs of illegals aliens?? Do you think all US tax payers should pay for abortions if it is against their religious beliefs? Also McCain has his heart and soul with our military the people who protect our freedom. He is not willing to put a timeline on the war in Iraq and I agree with him. If you were the victim of
the Holocause for example. If you knew that a regiime was stoning women in an another country would you set a time line on protecting those innoncent lives? How could one set a time line . Obama wants to set a timeline no matter the conditions or the consequences and that just shows how heartless that man truely is. Our military men Want to win the war and know in their hearts that they accomplished what they set out to accomplish . THat is the why they joined the military the 1st place. Oblama is totally clueless and heartless.

1percenter — I nver said I was a fan of Mccain, but I’m scared to death of what will happen if the current democratic Congress and Senate, who spend likd drunken sailors, get Obama as a president. They’ll take it as a mandate to implement every conceivable social program…… Which is part of the cause of the housing boom and bust.

Sally — Obama was associated with ACORN? Is that the same group that’s being charged in several states wtih voter freaud?

How is a small business owner going to handle a tax increase if Obama is elected… We will lay off to pay for it. We have too. Does that really make sense?
Think about this reality…
The middle/lower class gets to save 1k in taxes, which is all it will amount to. And those earning $250k annually or more pay another $5-10k per year and lay off to pay for it (nearly 70% of American workers are employed by small businesses)…That is reality economics!
If we elect Obama, this is what I will have to do to pay for more taxes…layoff one of my 5 employees to pay for it. I am hit hard with employer taxes at 25% and personal taxes at 40% I make $300k per year and pay nearly 140k per year in taxes. I employee 5 really good people, but I cannot afford to pay for Obama’s tax plan. I work 70 hours per week, contribute to charities, subsidize health for my employees, have built a strong business, teach my kids to work hard and go to school. I understand there are those less fortunate, but I worked hard to get what I have, I did not choose ARM Loans, I did not pay $0 down for my house, I pay my bills on time and pay my employees very well. There is greed on Wall Street and those who are greedy in buying homes as well.
This is crazy that people are buying that giving my employees 1-2k is really going to help in the long run. What will help is giving me less business taxes, so my employees keep their jobs. You cut my employee taxes, I can ggive an employee a $1-2 raise and that will pay for gas or some extra healthcare…
When are we going to wake up and understand this will kill small businesses and create more hourly employee uncertainty…

mccain should not be allowed to be president for many reasons, including his age, his education, he cost the military lots of money because he is an idiot and crashed 2 planes and ran another into power lines, not to mention he was a POW for years. the simple fact that he was a pow should exclude him because he cant be a mentally there. he also picked sarah palin for vice pres. she has got to be the biggest idiot of them all. he foreign policy experience consists of looking at russia from alaska. i wonder she has ever even seen russia from alaska? obama may not be the greatest choice, but he is a damn good one. mccain wants to keep the rich rich and the poor poor. hopefully palin will be allowed to talk more so stupid americans will see how much worse things can get if we elect more republicans.

“Rick Davis, received $15000 per MONTH from Freddie Mac since 2005, as reported last Monday, and McCain hasn’t fired him.”
David like Obama you don’t have a command of the facts or else you purposely deceive. Rick Davis has never consulted for Freddie and Fannie, unlike Obama’s Raines, and has not worked for the company that did, from 2005 when he quit. “Since 2005″ is a blantant LIE, which is why you are supporting Obama. Birds of a feather…

Charles A. Lindberg Sr., at the time of the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913:
This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the Money Power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation. From now on depressions will be scientifically created.
Today is another sad day for America. Once again, Americans are being forced with a gun to their head to give the fruits of their labor to the international banking cartel via the Internal Revenue Service. This is how slaves have been Made in America. What, you say? “My income taxes provide new roads, education, welfare, coddling illegal aliens and foreign welfare.” Wrong. Space is limited, so I will struggle to give you 15 years worth of research and learning on one short page.
None of your income tax dollars – which you “voluntarily” pay through force and coercion – funds the government. This money, as well as the “withholding” stolen from you all year long, goes to the privately owned “Federal” Reserve Banking System to pay back the money your member of Congress borrowed during the year for a trillion dollars worth of unconstitutional expenditures.

Make IRS check payable to stockholders of private Fed
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Posted: April 15, 2005
1:00 am Eastern
By Devvy Kidd
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
Stop worry who gets how much tax cut.
Start getting pissed that you are paying an illegal income tax. By the way. The Fed Reserve Bank charges the Gov 34% interest on the $$ it lends it.
The last President who attempted to shut down the Federal Reserve Bank and started to print money, Silver Certificates, was JFK. Look were it got him.

I guess someone forgot to tell these BO groupies that Muslims do not have Messiah’s only profits

before some of you get off on the rant about no weapons of mass distruction, i think you should ask the Kirds about the poison gas that kill over 100,000 to me this is mass distruction, and it is a fact that the chemical factorys that produced it was sill able to produce more, also there has been evedince that some of this equiptment was sent to Syria, before we could get there.

Mccain is a war president. His long family military background, his attitudes about bombing Iran (with song)his constant refrain about “winning”, not a war, but an invasion and occupation in Iraq, make him a war president. Pat Buchanan, a Republican conservative said “Mccain will make Cheney look like Mother Theresa”. So ask yourself…which city should the terrorists take out first? Boston, NY? LA? Miami? Choose. Because if we bomb or invade another country, the terrorists WILL retaliate, so choose.

Actually ( you should have seen this somewhere) when the Dems let the Bush Tax Cuts expire the middle class family will pay $3000-4000 more.
That is schedule to expire in about 1 1/2 years. But when you get into details, you also find your deductions and exemptions go poof under Democrat written tax laws.
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Those Lobbyists? Actually FNMA/FHLMC dropped $200 million in the last ten years and hired EVERY LOBBYIST firm in Washington. They were all on the payroll, so no politician can get a real clean lobby firm. Their job was to make sure NO OVERSIGHT or REGULATION was imposed on the Demo-sugarfirms FNMA & FHLMC.

Ultraconservative: Yes. Yahoo or Google “Bailout Obama ACORN” to get the full details.

Ultraconservative: For full details that fully explain the releasing of 20% of the profit from the bailout to Obama’s ACORN.
Lindsay Graham told Fox that the Mother of All Bailouts includes a reported $100 million more in funding for the left-wing housing entitlement thugs and heavily tax-subsidized fraudsters at ACORN. Under the original bailout proposal, apparently, a large portion of any repayment of the $700 billion would go to Barack Obama’s good friends at ACORN with a smaller allocation to debt repayment. Readers heard him say it was 20 percent. http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/25/kill-the-bailout-more-acorn-funding/

Do you know why WALL STREET is doing so good. McCain and the Smiling Senate Members sold your children. A DRAFT is coming. Watch CNN and MSNBC for more. ABC and FOX are Bought out
By GOLDMAN SACHS. Look at the Senators who are smiling for the press.
Looks like a GREEDY Smile. Sold to the cheapest bidder. So Tax money can start again. Ain’t gonna happen. :)
Bruce and Mannie Dalis–Correct Spelling
Micro Computers— Mc
Thank you girls for the correct spelling
of PAC’s contributers.
Mannie…is that like Fannie. mmmmm
:) Thanks GOLD MAN SUCKS.
Lose lips, sink Weapons of Mass Destruction
No To WALL STREET

If you have a Satilite dish, Find a Neighbor with a Land Line System.
Turn to CNN and MSNBC
Hold the phone up to the Tv.
Stealth Ship? :)
Ask You Senator WHAT?
Find out Why You have been Lied to.
No Hurrican?
FIRST Space Walk?
Have you Been living in a Bubble?
Wait till you find out about History.
Find a Neigbor, call a Neighbor with a Land Line
Watch CNN and MSNBC From a Land Line
fox AND abc are Lying to you.
See Fake Hurrican in Maine.
Wait till Later, for More.
Watch WHOLE debate, Never Seen on abc AND fox
See Katrina Left Overs. Looks Pretty Good to Me.
Call fox AND abc and ask WHAT the Heck?
Who made First Spacewalk?
CNN and MSNBC from LandLine
Call Your State Senate Make Vote Today
And Ask Far Out in space Republican WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON…
I’ll have a Book out Later
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Somebody help me, a dumb conservative understand this “rich” issue. If you really believe this class warfare nonsense why tax people on income? It is unfair to tax someone who played by the rules, worked hard and started a business or paid their way through school at a much higher level than someone who made poor decisions. Why not tax the wealthy? Everyone with over 2 million in assets loses them to the government every year. I’m sure Ted Kennedy and the Hollywood liberals would agree to this plan. After all, anyone can live comfortably on 2 million in assets, right? Sorry Gates, Oprah, and others, you need to pay YOUR fair share. If we are going to socialism, jump right in, don’t just put one toe in the water.

Democrats promise a utopia to the masses and that is the reason we are in this situation. A lowering of standards for home loans pushed by the Dems Barney Frank, Chris Dodd etc are responsible. Alarms raised by Pres Bush and Sen John McCain went unheeded. Then they have the gall to blame it on Wall St and the Bushes. Sounds like the old Soviet Union say a lie log enough and loud enough and the masses will believe. My vote will be cast for a team that will put this to an end McCain/Palin.

So Obama is going to punish you for being married. This encourages divorce and that really hurts everyone. So those who are partners really benefit from his plan we should call it the partner tax plan since that is who will benefit while punishing those married to the opposite sex.

Hussein Obama is so transparent- oh yeah-but he’s not Bush – lets elecet him.
He believes in change alright- changes his position-past references – and associations as the occasion requires
He will dupe many americans-
Say the pledge Hussein !!!

There’s no confusion. It is $200,000 per person or $250,000 per couple. So, what? At least, he plans to give an overwhelming majority of Americans tax cuts even if it is 75% instead of 95%. In contrast, McCain wants to give the rich more tax cuts which he strongly opposed in since 2000 until recently.
leigh:
Those are correct pronunciation of “Pakistan” and “Taliban”. Unfortunately, most of us tend to mispronounce foreign names. In this context, Europeans especially the British tend to pronounce foreign names correctly.