GOP Senator on Obama: “Do You Really Want to Have a Guy as Commander in Chief When You Can Question Whether or Not He Really Loves His Country?”
The Tulsa World reports that at a breakfast for the Oklahoma Republican delegation to the GOP convention, Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., said voters will ask themselves of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.: "Do you really want to have a guy as commander in chief of this country when you can question whether or not he really loves his country?"
Inhofe later clarified his remarks in a statement, saying "Let me be clear, I am not questioning Sen. Obama’s patriotism, but you have to question why at times he seems so obviously opposed to public displays of patriotism and national pride, like wearing an American flag lapel pin.”
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And yet Rick Davis acts all offended when Obama correctly points out that some Republicans will try to paint him as “other” or “unpatriotic”. Many have been doing exactly that for a long time.
This has been happening for months, mostly under the radar. Now (along with the Republican Congressman from Georgia calling the Obamas “uppity”) it’s starting to pop up into radar range.
Posted by: Lisa | September 7, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Well thank God this guy had the guts to say what millions of us are thinking.
I believe this is the main reason why Obama cannot pull ahead in the polls.
People are still uneasy about Obama. About his friends, mentors,church and why someone that truly loves America would be so comfortable around these people.
Obama supporters want him because they worry about the economy, but totally ignore how he could jeopardize our safety.
Posted by: riley | September 7, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
In his last famous speech, he did say that questions of patriotism and character are off the table. In other words, he fails on both and he knows it. Geeeezzzzzz. What a dud.
Posted by: Mary | September 7, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Oh, it was Inhofe. That explains a lot. The least intelligent person in the United States Senate thinks he can tarnish a colleague’s patriotism just by saying so? But then he has said a lot of even dumber things as if he believed them.
Posted by: jock59801 | September 7, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
This is surreal. Did Mr. Inhofe just emerge from a coma? I have yet to see
McCain wear a flag pin, but I’ve seen it plenty from Obama. Aren’t there more important issues to be discussing? What a moron.
Posted by: Seriously? | September 7, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Questioning someone’s patriotism is unpatriotic.
Posted by: AkaDad | September 7, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
And apparently Mr. Inhofe is speaking to other morons like Riley…
Posted by: Seriously? | September 7, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
riley
How could Obama jeopardize our safety? What do you really think he is going to do? Treason is a very dangerous slander, and can easily backfire on the partisan scum who try it.
Posted by: jock59801 | September 7, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Where was John McCain’s flag pin at the RNC? Where was John McCain’s flag pin this morning on “Face the Nation?”
Posted by: Patrick | September 7, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
It’s not just about a flag pin although it seems strange for Obama to say he took his off after 9/11–while others wore them proudly.
It is about his decisions and who he chose to spend time with, who he chose as mentors.
Frank Davis, Rev Wright, Pfleger, Ayers, (there are more)–these men all have a common theme.
They hate America. And it seemed to be OK with Obama.
When a presidential candidate has to make a speech about patriotism, and go out of his way to prove his–there is a problem.
Wake up people!
Posted by: harry | September 7, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Questioning someone’s patriotism is unpatriotic.
Posted by: AkaDad | September 7, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Let’s see, Sarah Palin’s husband was a card carrying member of the Alaska Independence Party from 1996 to 2002. Sarah attended the conventions with him. And a Republican is questioning if Obama loves his country?
Let’s ask the Palins how much they love this country.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
RESIGN. NOW.
What a scumbag!!!
Posted by: jds | September 7, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Big surprise here. This is the malarky that they’ve been spewing for the last eight months all the while claiming that they’ve never done it. Americans are ignorant if they buy this BS. Steve Schmidt, Karl Rove, and Eskew are the same guys that brought us Bush, and republicans are lining up around the block to buy their new get rich quick scheme. This is just more of the say one thing, do another politics of the last eight years. Only this time there is a doddering old nincompoop and his dog on the advertisement.
Posted by: lying liars | September 7, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Hmmmmm……….
And we are supposed to show deference to the Republicans?
Love of Country or Deference to the Republicans, one and the same?
Arrogance, if you ask me.
Posted by: Thinking | September 7, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
If you still support the war in Iraq after the lies have come out, and you support bombing Iran it could be argued that you don’t love this country or the troops. Why? Because we are broke, and the troops overwhelmingly don’t believe this war was a good idea and don’t want to die for a bad idea.
Posted by: Ben Straub | September 7, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
The real question is does Obama associate with ANYONE possessing good character, honor and integrity that he does not throw under a bus? What IS illegal is bombing the Capitol, the Pentagon and police stations like Ayers. Operation as Chicago slumlord is illegal as Rezko found out. And Obama is associated with both of them. He associates with race-baiters like Jeremy Wright and Khalid Mansour. He backstabbed community organizer” Alice Palmer. He dumped the Maytag workers in Galesburg, IL in favor of his political cronies.Yes Obama is a fairy tale: AMERICAN GANGSTER
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Republicans have been scum since Rove, Bush etcetera came on the scene.
Posted by: jim | September 7, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Look at McCain at the RNC, when he accepted the nomination, did he have on a flag lapel pin???
This is a disingenuous argument. And if the people of this country vote on THIS as an issue, they’re just dumber than I thought.
But hey, Palin doesn’t have the education needd to qualify for this position. Can you be a doctor without have a medical degree? how about hiring an attorney without a law degree? But half the idiots in this country think its acceptable to hire a vice president with a 4 yr degree in journalism, that oh by the way took her 6 yrs and 6 different schools to complete. They have to school her on foreign policy and national security?
Lets defend THAT conservatives. Oh that’s right, guns, God, and gays are much more important.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
How about NO MORE DEBATE? Look at yourself, Mr. Obama.
Posted by: chris | September 7, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
All I know is that BHO loves himself first – he just loves looking in the mirror. He blew it with the flag pin and other unpatriotic stuff (wright, ayres….). How comes those stories just disappeared? Ans: the media is in the tank for him.
Posted by: Beckie | September 7, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
lol Concerned, if that’s your line of argument, McCain has his degree in “presidency”. How stupid. lol
She’s not qualified to be Governor, let alone Vice President of the country.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
is there any intelligent person in RNC?
can’t believe it.
Posted by: zen | September 7, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
I don’t need the pundits, repubs or McCain campaign to tell me to have doubts about Bambi H. Ophra-Obama Jr’s lack of American patriotism.
Obama’s new comments in his own words; McCain is not critizing my Muslim faith.
What do you know. How long can Bambi hide his Muslim faith before his tongue trips him over. Thanks for the priceless jewel Obama.
Posted by: Mrs. Phoenix | September 7, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Every day I think “the Republicans have stooped to an all time low” and then the next day they do or say something even worse. How sad and embarrassing.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Sen Inofe: Would we want a man to be a senator who can’t talk intelligently? I’m not saying he’s a moron but really any man who can’t talk any better than this has to be a moron right? Just saying.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Right zen. Our leaders should at least be intelligent enough with more than one 4 yr degree in journalism.
Palin doesn’t have the education, she doesn’t have the knowledge (proof in the pudding with national security and foreign policy) and she doesn’t have the experience. If she had to hire an administrator to help her as Mayor, you already know what to expect as Vice President. She has no clue.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Maccain = 5th from the bottom in School
Palin = changing 6 colleges before graduation
Where are all smart people in RNC?
We need at least average IQ persons in Oval office.
America deserves better than this.
Posted by: zen | September 7, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
RNC Ticket:
a Senile Grandpa with Bird head beauty queen
What a Joke!
Posted by: zen | September 7, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Stay focused people. It will only get worse in the upcoming weeks. Knock on doors, register voters, donate and VOTE.
Go Obama/Biden/WE THE PEOPLE 08
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Just a suggestion the Obamabots are not impressive. They are divisive, race baiting and are the very things that repel Democrats like me against Obama. I would nix the “knocking on doors thing” Stick with things you are good at like donating money to the “chosen one”.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Get out the vote and send Caribou Barbie back to Alaska. Maybe as Governor she can enroll in Continuing Education in one of their universities.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
New controversy to hit the Palin family the week after next.
The McCain has seen nothing yet.
Posted by: Vanessa | September 7, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Obama wants to socialize America.
Some old corrupt government but much bigger.
Plain and Simple!
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
The really sad thing is that there are people stupid enough to buy into this load of b.s. Our country, goin’ down the toilet. Again. So embarrassing. We are the laughingstock of the world.
Posted by: outtahere | September 7, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Concerned in OH
No, Obama got his degree in Constitutional Law, which is exactly what he will be swearing to uphold as President of the United States. I can’t think of anything more appropriate.
Posted by: jock59801 | September 7, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Palin is a “Jerry Springer mom”. I do not see a “typical hockey mom”.
Posted by: J | September 7, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Obama hangs out with Ayers and Rezko. He has a degree in “CON” Law
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
outtahere, you are 100% correct.
Complete laughing stock. And these ignorants will be whining when the leaders of the world start laughing and ignoring the U.S. Most military members are more qualified for vp than this caribou yahoo. We will get exactly what we deserve.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Obama supporters are growing increasingly angry about the turn of events in the polls. Comments like this only serve to make them more angry.
Posted by: independent | September 7, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
lol Samantha, is that the same school as Bush and Cheney? Be careful who you belittle.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
I have a dream…
President: Barack Obama
First Lady: Michelle Obama
Vice President: Joe Biden
Cabinets:
Louis Farrakhan
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Jeremiah Wright
Oprah Winfrey
And the entire Hollywood value
My welfare check will be double.
I couldn’t wait…
Vote democRATS!!!
Posted by: JohnX | September 7, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
‘And yet Rick Davis acts all offended when Obama correctly points out that some Republicans will try to paint him as “other” or “unpatriotic”. Many have been doing exactly that for a long time.’
Do you really not understand the concept of declaring one’s faults prior to your opponent bringing them up so as to make it look like you are the slighted party and the fault is untrue?? Get a grip on reality!
Lisa, you really need to remove the rose colored glasses, and see the Obamajoey group for what they are truely telling the public.
If you cannot here’s a hint;
Every word uttered is a lie, so belive it to be the truth and elect Obamajoey to office, just as thou we were Clintoons…
Posted by: freethought4u | September 7, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Wow this is sad. Looks like they stisll insist on going after O on the paritisom, even though his family was part of the armed services. I am big Hillary fan and wanted her to win, but the republicans must stop this nasty attacks
Posted by: rachel | September 7, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Well all the republicans trolls are here today…out of the woodwork they come. Their main mission is to throw any smear,lie and inuendo and see what sticks. Can’t talk about issues…that would mean they’d have to think for themselves. Dems are ready this time..we’re going to challenge you on everything.We’re fired up ready to go.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Obama should have Picked the Actress
Jeri Ryan as his VP. he would have
all the Star Trek Fans…
Oh I forgot she is over qualified
for the job when you look at the other
Sides VP………. Sorry…
Posted by: Anita Yova | September 7, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
All the repubs did by parading this uneducated hick to the world is mobilize the center. $10 million in 24 hours means this country doesn’t want a theocracy. Having an intelligent leader to address complex issues is whats important.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
I wonder how long we are going to last before the obvious shows…
that McCain is already playing the same game of hide and seek…and fake call the press names that we saw for the last 8 years…
hide the witnesses and facts from the press…call them names to hide the vaccum and silence that you create
it is only a matter of days before the American people in general start to see this all the same scams of the last 8 years…like Nixon and contra even…and Libby, wmd, the failure of Katrina… hide the facts don’t let the press do their jobs at all costs…
this comment is another red flag that Mccain wants hide and seek leadership and ethics to go on for a 9th year…
same team …same tactics.
facts don’t back them up so play games… and make sure witnesses don’t speak until they are scripted and learned in the cliffnotes of what they need to get ahead… and get what they want…
don’t get played…for a 9th year
throw the bums out!…before America loses more at this game!
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Every Obama supporter that sees this type of GOP behavior should immediately send whatever money they can to the Obama campaign. We have to change the corrupt ways of these classless Republicans. As usual, Obama is right.
Posted by: The Truth | September 7, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Do you really want a Vice President who’s too chicken to answer questions in an unscripted interview?
Do you really want a Vice President who is nothing more but a GOP puppet giving speeches written by Bush’s old speech writer?
Do you really want a Vice President who is an empty pantsuit pretending to have foreign policy experience because her state is geographically located next to Alaska?
Do you really want a Vice President whose speeches consist of more lies to puff up herself than actual truths?
Do you really want this Vice President to be a heart attack or a stroke away from the presidency?
No way! No how! No McCain or Palin!
Obama/Biden 2008 and 2012!
Hillary 2016!
Posted by: Ehhh | September 7, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Mccain and Palin
4 more years of hide and seek government…
you know hide and seek it’s what covered up every blunder we have seen…
and what got us…HERE.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
I hate a fellow Senator questioning someone patriotism.
DISGUSTING.
Posted by: Mark | September 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Gallup – McCain +3
Rasmussen – Tie
Not looking good for Obama.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
There she is Miss Samantha rezco ayers: Apparently this is what she’s been programed to say day in and day out. She does Mr drill,pow,surge proud.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Senator Obama’s degree from Columbia University is in political science. He taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, Law Degree from Harvard.
Biden, law degree.
Miss Congeniality (come to find out that was another lie) can’t even teach a class in this country.
And her slow walking old dude graduated at the bottom of his class.
Wow, the contrast is too stark. This will be much worse than the two oil warmongers we have in office now.
Time to mobilize folks. We can’t let this ignorance take over this country.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
These republican yahoos STILL can’t address the issues. They want this election to be decided on race and gender.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Hit em hard dems…keep it up ….make them eat those lies. Obama 10 million raised on Wed night and we can do it again.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
I cannot support a candidate who refuses to put his hand over his heart when reciting the Plege. Go McCain/Palin!
Posted by: Sallie | September 7, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
For those who don’t recall Inhofe’s most spectacular, buffoonish, lame, and macho comments, let’s revisit the awful Oklahoma City bombings. After that incredible tragedy, which took place in his home state, killing his constituents, he cracked something to the effect of “Fortunately, they were federal workers, so many of them were not working at the time of the bombing.” This guy is an ignorant loser, licking the boots of big oil, and proving it everytime he opens his mouth.
Posted by: Chinquapin | September 7, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Every Obama supporter that sees this type of GOP behavior should immediately send whatever money they can to the Obama campaign
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Hurry Obamabots you have 60 days left. The kool aid is flying off the shelves.
If you really wanted to win you would have convince the chosen one to chose Hillary as VP. Looks like your party was not united after all. My mother in law was for Edwards and now is for McCain after watching the Obamabots spew racial baits and names at older voters like her. You almost had her but she is for McCain. My husband and I were for Hillary. Now we are for McCain.
DNC, you have a problem.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
There are no moose burgers in Washington. Let’s send that uppity hockey mom who looks down on community organizers back to the igloo where she belongs. She can hunt moose, ice fish and procreate all she wants back in Alaska – especially after she and her husband help the final frontier secede from the USA.
Posted by: Sarah 'Too-Chicken-To-Face-Media' Palin | September 7, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I WOULD RATHER HAVE MCCAIN & PALIN IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAN OBAMA ANYDAY!! I AM A REGISTERED DEM. AND RIGHT NOW ASHAMED TO BE!! OUT OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA ALL WE COULD COME UP WITH IS THESE 2 CLOWNS?????? ATLEAST MCCAIN & PALIN ARE THE LESSER OF THE 2 EVILS!!! OBAMA SAYS HE WILL CUT TAXES FOR 95% OF AMERICA????HOW IS HE GOING TO DO THAT?? CAN ANYBODY TELL ME?? ASK YOURSELF THIS, WHY IS OBAMA STATING THAT HE WILL “CUT TAXES FOR 95%” WHEN HE VOTED TO INCREASE PERSONS EARNING $42,000!!!!!??????? I AM ONE OF THOSE PERSONS WHO WILL NOT FORGIVE OR FORGET!!
Posted by: Kym | September 7, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
samantha
lol
“Obamabots” are fighting the same people who got us HERE…
the people whose ethics back a campaign that is the same ethics as cheney and Bush and rumsfeld
play games
that would be people like you.
as you notice Obama supporters rarely quote daily tracking…because only a loser really quotes those.
and you would have to be stupid not to see that they got their shot by playing the system and market a VP that has absolutely no grasp of as single issue we face and now they are going to try and hide her
so Obaviously they are going to get a BIG bump from that tactic
the problem is …it’s based on bologne that isn’t holding water…
she can’t answer detailed questions and follow ups on ANY issue.
and cliff notes for a VP is just …well…
I don’t have to say what the fact that this woman is getting educated in the clffnotes on the world issues because Alaska doesn’t have any of those in it’s state government.
Knowledge and judgement.
she has neither…and only a person who didn’t put their country first would not see that in the next week…
or somebody that unfortunately was as dumb as a rock.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Obamajoey Farakkkan for President. We all want America to become a third World country. Then maybe the next ‘America’ will support us too!!
Posted by: freethought4u | September 7, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
What is the significance of a hand over your heart if you deny hard-working men, women and children a living wage?
What has more meaning, a flag pin on your lapel or action to prevent more flag draped coffins from a needless war?
What is more American, saluting the flag or building homes for people who never had one?
In my mind, the whole conversation is banal when 38 million Americans go hungry every day, when 1 in 8 children is uninsured, when 1 in 4 teens drops out of high school because it does not serve them, when our grandmothers and grandfathers are forced to choose between buying medicine and food.
Excuse me if I don’t join you in debating the significance of a symbolic gesture. I’m busy in deed to make living easier for my brothers and sisters and the world a safer place for us all.
Posted by: ppicard | September 7, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
I wasn’t aware the US patriotism was run like TGI Fridays, with a certain amount of “flair” needed on your uniform to qualify.
This entire event says a whole lot more about the GOP senator than it does about Obama.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
TO ALL OF YOU CLOWNS WHO STATE/QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT MCCAIN LOVES HIS COUNTRY I SAY SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! MCCAIN HAS SERVED HIS COUNTRY PROUDLY FOR OVER 2 DECADES!! CAN ANYONE HERE SAY THAT????
Posted by: KYM | September 7, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
I cannot believe people are still talking about flag pins, especially since I do not ever remember seeing McCain wear one.
Wake up people.
Thanks to McCain’s financial adviser, former Senator “Fore closer” Phil Gramm that lead the deregulation of the financial industry and futures trading, we are bailing out another financial institution – Fannie & Freddie
Other major banks are on the edge of collapse
Trillions of dollars for future generations to pay.
Yet the media allows McCain and Palin to use Fannie & Freddie in campaign stops
Is it too much to expect the media to know extremely important information that is destroying our economy?
Posted by: Julie | September 7, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
“I cannot support a candidate who refuses to put his hand over his heart when reciting the Plege. Go McCain/Palin!”
Again, he didn’t “refuse” to put his hand over his heart during the pledge. The national anthem was playing.
I swear, some of America would vote Putin into office as long as he decked himself out in flag accessories, stapled his hand over his heart and made sure all of his speeches contained “I love my country, but I’m not so sure about the other guy”. Work beyond the visuals, people.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
smaantha
kool aid is what the McCain campaign is selling with picking a VP that shows how he will lead and you bought into it’s nobility…
not it’s stupidity.
and kool aid is anyone who buys into the secret cloak they are laying around her and their factual slips in public speeches not being anything but a continuation of the slime that has destroyed our country for 8 years… covering up hiding…
all the rest…only someone drinking kool aid would not see that Mccain has shown if you liked the last 8 and you don’t like that the Liberal press” were the ones who finally started getting to the truth on wmd, katrina, Libby…etc… this VP pick cover up is exactly …exactly the same tactics Bush Cheney, Rove used on all those issues… …well Mccain’s leadership team (the same guys who gave us Bush and those 8 years of ethics) got 4 more for ya.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Samantha, for those that like Hillary Clinton, understand one thing. With Hillary comes baggage Bill. Most in this country understand that Hillary would not win BECAUSE of Bill. Hillary can best serve this country in another capacity, but most did not want Bill back in the White House. He disgraced OUR house. The republicans are disgracing OUR house in other ways, like praising ignorance and rewarding incompetence. No wonder they’re so happy to nominate the uneducated Palin and bottom of the class McSame, it remains in line with their ignorance and incompetence.
And the downward spiral continues.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Obviously Obama loves America, otherwise he would not have such passion to reclaim America from those who have disgraced it in the past 8 years.
I question whether McCain loves America. He loves the Evangelical vision of America, but certainly not the US Constitution, which requires separation of church and state.
Obama loves America. McCain loves the Confederate Country of Evangelica that he has dressed itself up in an American flag.
If you want to talk about America, be careful of which America you’re talking about.
Posted by: clifton | September 7, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
linNcar: The TRUTH hurts.
My family goes back three generations defending this beautiful nation, uncluding my son’s 21 year service in the Navy. My uncle died in service defending this nation. I am a proud Christian, proud American, proud democrat by birth, proud to have a certified birth certificate from the great state of New York.
And Obama and family are???
I Love America, I Love John McCain.
Posted by: Mrs. Phoenix | September 7, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
keep fooling yourself dl. Obama is over.
The Agents of change so have made some serious miscalculations. And sure Obamabots don’t quote polls, you have been up in the polls for months now- that is until you made a huge mistake at the convention.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Dear Concerned – you are confused.
Obama has never been a Muslim. He is a Christian and has said so many times – attended church for many years.
Obama’s stepfather was Muslim and took him to mosque – but he was a small boy and has never been a member or even tutored in this faith.
At the end, I do need to ask, is it the perception of a lie, or do you object to the Islam religion???
a middle-aged venison eating white woman in Michigan
Posted by: Elcee | September 7, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Well thank God this guy had the guts to say what millions of us are thinking.–riley
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“Guts”? You mean idiocy, right? No one, I don’t care who they are or what their party affiliations or life experiences is any position to question any other person’s patriotism for this country. No one.
The only reason that Inhofe and his party are talking about insulting nonsense like this instead of the unemployment rate, home mortgage crisis, and the cost of gas and healthcare is because they have nothing of substance to say. They drove us into this ditch and have no solutions for getting us out.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Concerned, the entire flag pin mess is stupid. There is no prerequisite that people wear a dumb aluminum pin on their lapel. Seriously. Just like TGI Friday’s flair requirement (10 pins), if it’s going to be required, then make it a mandate. Otherwise? Actually listen to what the candidate says. In this case, I think he’s right — a pin is no replacement for actual efforts to benefit the nation.
I don’t care if you like McCain’s policies rather than Obama’s, but it doesn’t say much for people who hang their entire argument of patriotism on ACCESSORIES.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
The republicans want the people to remain ignorant. They are counting on that to win the election. This is Karl Rove’s mission, to keep em ignorant and voting against their own best interests.
This has become the American Way.
Lets vote ignorance and incompetence into the White House for another 8 yrs.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
concerned in Ohio
why has the Mccain campaign put the Rove cone of silence on their VP caniddate
could it be that she has not one detailed answer to a single issue weare facing?
could it be that her grasp of ANY of the issues we are facing … is non-existent or better yet completely lala land wrong?
could it be that they could have picked a local high school PTA president and she would have had more grasp and knowledge and plans and understanding of what we are facing than Ms “doesn’t believe in science” and “chose schools on the weather”
is not equipped in the slightest way to deal with our nations safety, diplomacy, trade agreements, global warming (ugh that she doesn’t believe in)…
all for a tactic straight out of the past 8 years…
and a cover up of that tactic that is even MORE straight out of the last * years of failures covered up…that got us in the sh!t hole we are in?
throw these bums out.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
try again bc46, Obama is my senator. He has done nothing significant for my state but once again prove that we are full of corruption. That is not an agent of change. Someone who buys homes from those who are a part of “old” Chicago politics.
No thanks, I will stick with the guy who spent 5 years in a cell as a POW, and sacrificed his life for my country.
I am glad my mother in law has come around. She is in a swing state too.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Mrs. Phoenix,
Barack Obama also has generations in his family who served this country (grandfather fought in Patton’s army in WWII, great uncle liberated a concentration camp, grandmother worked on bomber assembly line…)
Who are you to question his family and on what basis?
Posted by: Lisa | September 7, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
“I am a proud Christian, proud American, proud democrat by birth, proud to have a certified birth certificate from the great state of New York.
And Obama and family are???”
Phoenix, Obama and family are in line with you on all of the above, with the sole difference that Obama’s birth certificate was issued in Hawaii. IT’s all over the internet, and has been certified as legit. So what’s your point?
As for lineage that goes back, you must be very proud of your family’s tradition of service. But once you start requiring that of public officials, you’re going down a dangerous road of making some citizens more equal than others. This is a land of immigrants, almost 100% of the population. As long as someone was born here, you can’t start demanding some sort of lineage before they can enjoy the citizen’s rights you enjoy.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
I seriously doubt that any of the Republican leaders love their country. And my doubt is not based on made up controversies like the flag pin issue but on their actions over the last 8 years. Maybe I’m out of touch with Washington, but to me action speaks louder than any symbolic gesture.
Posted by: El_Pajaro | September 7, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Obama had a billion dollars in earmarks in three years in the Senate.
Some earmarks going to benefit his wife’s employer and to his “moral compass” Father Pfleger.
McCain—no earmarks.
He also wasted $6 million on a temple to himself.
Obama will waste our money too.
Posted by: harry | September 7, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Well, I heard out of his own (Obama’s)mouth that he’d been a christian for 20 yrs. He is, however, 47 yrs old. Just exactly what was he in those other years? We have a right to know, if he is a candidate.Was he an atheist? The point is, we don’t know.
As Fred Thompson said the other night at the GOP Convention, there are 2 questions you don’t need to ask re John McCain:
(1) Who is this man?
(2) Can I trust him?
Until we get the *whole* Obama story, we cannot answer yes to either of these questions.
Posted by: Marty | September 7, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
samantha
no fool here
just someone who knew these Rove tactics were coming and making sure people like you don’t keep us on the “hide and seek ethics” express for 4 more.
Rove Bush Cheney tactics work…
obviously…
but this time we know how they work…
we know where they got us…
and McCain hiding his VP …and blustering about the press …and making tactical decisions like the one he did picking his horrifically unaware VP… throwing the nation’s welfare under the bus for his own election…
and then running around calling out the big bad press…
that same big bad press that was called out the same way before they got to the wmd lies, the katrina inept tactical hirings and failures, Libby, the justice department…
these tactics are the same…the same guys who worked with the novbility of the last 8 are now using with their heir apparent John mccain.
America wants the crooks out…
and we will make sure that you don’t keep them in.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Samantha,
Which family – His white family or hisblack side of the family that he clearly identifies with.
Indus
Posted by: Indus | September 7, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Samantha,
Which family – His white family or hisblack side of the family that he clearly identifies with.
Indus
Posted by: Indus | September 7, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Oh sure Samantha, his loss in the primary proves he did nothing for the state of Illinois. You’re just another delusional republican, voting on a man that crashed planes like it was a job requirement.
Being a POW is why you’re voting for him? LOL unbelievable.
And trust me Samantha, I have relatives and friends in swing states as well. My e-mail box is full with comments like “can you believe they’re trying to get over with these two in nomination”
Dem voter registration is through the roof. Most intelligent folks understand the stakes. I don’t get poll calls, and neither do most between the age of 18 and 34.
This election is not about a POW. There were many POWs, he wasn’t alone. This is about much, much more than a POW in Vietnam. And much, much more than a beauty queen with moose burgers.
I am a veteran and will not vote for the POW. I know what he stands for based on what he talks about, and even more important what he DOESN’T talk about.
Its obvious our Education System needs a major overhaul.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Mrs. Phoenix,
Barack Obama also has generations in his family who served this country (grandfather fought in Patton’s army in WWII, great uncle liberated a concentration camp, grandmother worked on bomber assembly line…)
Who are you to question his family and on what basis?
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Yes, too bad Obama DURING THE DNC CONVENTION couldn’t get the name of the concentration camp that his uncle “saved” right:
“I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps,” Obama said, slowly and methodically. “And the story in my family is that when he came home, he just went into the attic, and he didn’t leave the house for six months. Alright? Now, obviously something had affected him deeply, but at the time, there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain.”
That may be a fact,– but only if Obama’s uncle served in the Red Army of Joseph Stalin, which liberated Auschwitz Jan. 27, 1945.
The Obama campaign says the mistake was not as horrific as it might seem. His uncle was there at the liberation of Buchenwald. Obama just confused the names of the concentration camps.
DNC CAN YOU GET OBAMA TO STOP TELLING LIES AND GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT? I KNOW SEVERAL JEWISH VOTERS WHOSE VOTES OBAMA LOST JUST BECAUSE OF THIS.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Obama loves the country so much he is going to let his big Gov’t take care of us.
He’ll give us $1000 even if we don’t pay taxes.
Give 47 million free health insurance(even illegals)
We can quit our jobs and let the rich take care of us. They don’t deserve all that money they worked for anyway.
Posted by: sally | September 7, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
What actions has Barack Obama taken as a community organizer, law professor, state legislator, or U.S. Senator that provide any evidence that he’s not a patriotic American? Why would someone spend his entire adult lifetime in public office or teaching about our nation’s laws if he weren’t patriotic? The people who question his dedication to our nation’s ideals are responding to innuendo and rumor. I’d suggest they read his books. There is simply no way to interpret his words or his thinking process as anything other than deeply appreciative of the brilliance and practicality of our nation’s founders and the very high principles that form the basis of our national identity.
Barack Obama is seeking office because he thinks we can move closer to our best goals of opportunity for all. It’s not unpatriotic to point out where we fail to live up to our ideals– it’s what democracy is all about! More importantly, his analysis of how we’re not the best we could be is accurate. We have millions of people who can’t afford basic health care. People are losing their homes and livelihoods because of unregulated housing and credit markets. Our economy and foreign policy are bound to our dependence on fossil fuels. We’re fighting an endless war that’s bankrupting us now and for years to come, killing or damaging for life our young men and women, and preventing us from investing in the energy technologies of the future. We face an increasingly competitive global environment, but the McCain campaign is framing its vision around a cultural divide left over from the 1960′s. Let’s stop using “patriotism” as a wedge– that, as someone said earlier, is itself unpatriotic, and it distracts us from our national needs.
Posted by: NER | September 7, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
What actions has Barack Obama taken as a community organizer, law professor, state legislator, or U.S. Senator that provide any evidence that he’s not a patriotic American? Why would someone spend his entire adult lifetime in public office or teaching about our nation’s laws if he weren’t patriotic? The people who question his dedication to our nation’s ideals are responding to innuendo and rumor. I’d suggest they read his books. There is simply no way to interpret his words or his thinking process as anything other than deeply appreciative of the brilliance and practicality of our nation’s founders and the very high principles that form the basis of our national identity.
Barack Obama is seeking office because he thinks we can move closer to our best goals of opportunity for all. It’s not unpatriotic to point out where we fail to live up to our ideals– it’s what democracy is all about! More importantly, his analysis of how we’re not the best we could be is accurate. We have millions of people who can’t afford basic health care. People are losing their homes and livelihoods because of unregulated housing and credit markets. Our economy and foreign policy are bound to our dependence on fossil fuels. We’re fighting an endless war that’s bankrupting us now and for years to come, killing or damaging for life our young men and women, and preventing us from investing in the energy technologies of the future. We face an increasingly competitive global environment, but the McCain campaign is framing its vision around a cultural divide left over from the 1960′s. Let’s stop using “patriotism” as a wedge– that, as someone said earlier, is itself unpatriotic, and it distracts us from our national needs.
Posted by: NER | September 7, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
no more haide and seek ethics and scams hiding the facts… keeping VP Palin in a backroom where they teach her cliffnotes on how to be the leader of the free world and cover up their mistakes…
no more cartoonish versions of Bush wmd state of the union…slipping in jets on ebay and then saying it wasn’t a small cartoonish version of those same ethics…
what is to come John mcCain…
more covering up…more shutting out the public view of your mistakes and unethical tactics…just like your team has brought us for 8…
well no more destroying America on the 9th.
throw these crooks out!
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Marty, Obama’s mother was secular — as religion’s a social construct usually passed on in families, it’s no surprise. Later on, he clearly felt drawn to Christianity.
This is a problem, the amount of religion that’s gotten mixed up in politics. You don’t have to be a faith to be a good person, let alone Christian. There is nothing wrong with raising children outside of a religious mindset — it’s possibly more fair to the kids, because then they can explore and choose a faith as adults.
But if we’re headed in the direction I THINK you’re hinting at — just because he wasn’t a Christian does not mean he was a Muslim. You don’t have to have a religion. Many get along fine without one. So the absence of a strong Christian affiliation did not leave a vacuum with some mystery religion in there instead.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Face it the Republicans can do and say what they like and Democrats can’t. Why that is I do not know, but is a fact of life.
I would like to think that these blogs really had some influence in politics, open politics up to the average voter, but in the end, nothing.
Posted by: Thinking | September 7, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Obama considered joining the military but decided against it.
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It just like him marking “Present” 143 times.
He goes comatose when has to make a decision.He needs a shrink!
McCain/Palin 08
Posted by: vic | September 7, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Marty, we have the *whole* Obama story. He didn’t identify with any religion until he joined the church. Millions of people do that, have done that, and continue to do that in this country.
Just like millions change their religion well into their 20s and 30s. So you can let go of the implication that he was practicing another religion. That’s not true and its just something else you republicans like to pretend exists.
Keep it Real, and Keep it Honest.
This election will be about Integrity, not hockeymoms or POWs.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Oh sure Obama has won and will win Illinois. Most people here are just talking about the favors he will have to kick back to Illinois if he gets in. And how they are sure to get the Olympics in Chicago if he does. Illinois and Daley and his cronies are out for payback. Top City of Chicago workers are forced to attend Obama’s fundraisers. Blago is out for Blago
But the state my mom in law is in you guys have a problem. I am laughing.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Again, racism rears its ugly head.
Mr. Obaba is our 21st century man, our bridge to the future. Mr. McCain is a one-way ticket to American’s ugly past.
Obama is brave. McCain is weak. Obama puts America first. McCain/Palin puts Jesus first. Obama understands the working man. McCain is oblivious to the working man and just about everything else.
Posted by: Cali | September 7, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Today’s Gallup: McCain 48% – Obama 45%
Finally Americans are coming to their senses.
Dem for McCain/Palin
Posted by: JAKE | September 7, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Concerned, you republicans have proven that you can lie with a straight face. ALL men were required to register with the Selective Service. ALL men.
The only lie is the one you republicans tell every time you open your mouths.
Posted by: bc46 | September 7, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
How could anyone possibly question Obama’s love for this country?
He never heard any of Rev Wright’s sermons cursing America.
All of Chicago knew, even his friend Oprah but not Obama.
So you can’t blame him for staying in that anti-American church for 20 years, he never knew.
Rest assured Americans–our country is safe with Obama’s superior judgement.
Posted by: cindy in nc | September 7, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
We deserve 4 more years of the same, failing economy, more war, loss of national stature, no healthcare, weaking of SS, failing banks, housing, jobs, a weaker press, unaccountability of government, lack of vision, and direction.
Posted by: Thinking | September 7, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Samantha,
You are wrong.
Obama did not even introduce his uncle, Charlie Paine, at the Democratic Convention. John Kerry did. John Kerry correctly named the camp as “a Buchenwald camp”. On the stump, months and months ago, Obama incorrectly said it was an Auschwitz camp. His campaign corrected it later.
But now I have to ask, what’s your point? Barack Obama’s great uncle, a WWII veteran, liberated a death camp. To chortle about a name confusion is to show you are losing perspective and focusing on the petty.
I’ve got to say, Samantha, you get a lot of these facts — not partisanship or interpretation, but FACTS — dead wrong a lot of the time. A simple check would tell you that Obama did not make this mistake at the DNC. It makes me wonder where you get your information from, because it always appears in your posts with the worst possible untruthful twist on it.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
No, no, no, God D@mn America
Posted by: Barack's mentor of 20 years | September 7, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Obama keeps trying to compare McCain and Palin to Bush but no one is buying it. All of Washington knows that McCain unlike Obama has stood up for the Country and its people. MCain and Palin have fought against corruption. Obama has been on the side of corruption from the beginning.
Obama is all talk. What has he ever done for America? NOTHING
Democrat for Palin/McCain
Posted by: al | September 7, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Obama and the modern Democrat party wants our country to become more socialistic
…bigger government..”redistribution” of wealth..are the hallmarks of classic Marxists Socialism
PS…”Progressive” is a code word for liberalism
PSS..Liberalism > Socialism > Communism
Posted by: neville | September 7, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Gosh bc46, I should vote for Obama because their were more black people like me in the audience than there were at the RNC. Do you think that is something to compel me to vote for Obama?
What a concept, I should vote for someone because we share the same skin color. So what about my Caucasian husband who is also a Hillary supporter that is now voting for McCain?
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Concerned, Obama’s brother does not “live in a box” in Kenya. This sort of mindless elitism drives me insane — are you even aware that the majority of the world doesn’t live like the Western nations? Are you aware that standards of living in Kenya are dramatically different? I’m pretty sure you’ve never been in Nairobi. I have. Viewed through a US filter you see one thing. When you actually see how the country operates, and Nairobi in particular? Not so much.
On top of that, it’s hilarious to see that Republicans are all for nepotism and taking advantage of family connections, but shun any sort of social outreach (like nationalised health) that would help people they’re not related to. And it looks like Obama’s brother is a better person than most Republican lawmakers — they mouth off a lot about pulling yourself up on your own merits, but Obama’s brother is actually doing it. AND he says loudly that he doesn’t want any handouts.
The arrogance of some US-centric people astounds me sometimes. Learn some more about the world you crow about leading.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
I am thrilled about the McCain/Palin ticket!
Obama was ignorant and arrogant to choose Biden over Clinton. It is his own fault that he will lose this election.
Gallup Poll: McCain 48% – Obama 45%
A democrat who is proudly voting for Palin/McCain-Change we will vote for!
Posted by: MikeDC | September 7, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
I hope Senator McCain comes out and condemns Senator Inhofe as soon as possible, just as Senator Obama attacked the questioning of Gov Palin’s family situation.
Posted by: markymark | September 7, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Gallup polls don’t mean didly squat..
Individual battleground states do and looking at several battleground states, MCCLUELESS is in trouble.
Colorado-Tied
Michigan- Barack by 4
Iowa-Barack by 15
Virginia-McCain by 2
NM-Baraack by 11
NORTH DAKOTA!!!!! Barack by 3 which bush won by 28 points in 2004
Ohio-Barack by 2
Pennslylvania-Barack by 9
Florida-MCain by 4
Minnesota-Barack by 12
And by looking at each states new voter registration for democrats it looks to be ROUT!! So keep looking at these lopsided gallop polls and when President Obama is named the winner, yall will have your mouths open.
Posted by: Felix | September 7, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
No grace,
The point is that Obama is fake. You and I have had this argument before. What person forgets the name of the Concentration camp unless it is from some written canned speech in an attemot to woo Jewish voters. Voters that Obama has problems with. Obviously Kerry wasn’t given the “new revised script”.
This is in the same vein as Obama and the Selma incident, and the Ebony magazine incident. If you are telling the truth, you won’t need your clean up crew to step and and clarify your erroneous statements. Erroneous statements about your heritage, your “family”.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Samantha, I can’t help but noticing that you constantly bring your race into discussions. I initially thought others were bringing it up, but they’re not. You just keep personalising absolutely everything.
The comment that there were 36 African-American delegates at the RNC is a reported fact. It’s wholly your own leaps of logic that make you conclude that people are saying you should vote Democratic because of that figure. No one’s saying that. So — I’m not sure that constantly taking offense (and constantly reintroducing your race, which most posters don’t know because of the miracles of internet posting) is useful, except to derail discussions.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Do Republicans think only republicans died in the world trade center or on flight 93, or at the Pentagon? This really why Republicans can not be reelected in the November election. Republicans have managed to take the good will of the American people, and turn it into division, debt, and unmerited war. These republicans don’t seem to care about truth. Any LIE will do to win. The end seems to justify the means. There is no discussion of the issues that affect the American people. Only us against them! There is no way a republican should be elected. Remeber 911. Remember the patriotism, the unity, the sense that we would all go to bat for one another. Today on the coming anniversary of 911, we are left with the mess created by republicans. If you can’t talk about the issues, and what is good for America, go to you know where…….
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Issue—Energy / Oil / Nueclear
McCain–Drill AMERICAN oil so that we use AMERICAN energy which will create AMERICAN jobs for the AMERICAN people
McCain–Build AMERICAN nueclear plants
Obama – No drilling , no nueclear plants
Posted by: neville | September 7, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
I remember when the republicans took Michelle Obama’s “Proud of her Country” statement and spun it to mean the opposite. I wonder how they will spin the story about Mr. palin and his membership in the AIP which is an organization that wants Alaska to be separate from the other 49 states. Here’s a guy that doesn’t want to be part of the USA for Christ-sake. This also tells a lot about mc-more-war’s decision making abilities. Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
I just read that Palin is going to give her first interview as VP pick, to Gibson! I can’t wait to see it!
Obama needs to go on vacation again. I’m sick of looking at his face. He is so arrogant, it is disgusting!
Democrat for Palin-McCain 2008
Posted by: pat | September 7, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
NO I DO NOT want Obama as president, he gives me the creeps and I cannot stand to watch him cause he is full of it!
He does not deserve to be the president of the US he is NOT qualified or patriotic. AND HIS WIFE???
There is no choice it’s McCain/Palin
THEY ROCK AND ROLL and are what AMERICA NEEDS! THEY REPRESENT AMERICA!!!!!
Posted by: michaele | September 7, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Alaska would have been smart to secede from the Democrat socialist union. I’m hoping for Texas.
Posted by: Sluggo | September 7, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Issue – Size of Government / Taxes
McCain – Smaller govt./ lower taxes
Obama – Bigger govt. / higher taxes
PS..Obama wants the Bush taxs cuts to EXPIRE and he wont admit that would result in a TAX INCREASE…. but Obama claims he would then give the middle class a tax cut…( net result = Obama will give you a SMALL tax cut after giving you a BIG tax increase)
PSS..Obama is pretty slick.
Posted by: neville | September 7, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Samantha, I can’t help but noticing that you constantly bring your race into discussions. I initially thought others were bringing it up, but they’re not. You just keep personalising absolutely everything.
The comment that there were 36 African-American delegates at the RNC is a reported fact. It’s wholly your own leaps of logic that make you conclude that people are saying you should vote Democratic because of that figure. No one’s saying that. So — I’m not sure that constantly taking offense (and constantly reintroducing your race, which most posters don’t know because of the miracles of internet posting) is useful, except to derail discussions.
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Then why did your Obamabot bring up diversity as a reason for me to chose the DNC??? Why did your Obamabot mention tapes of the RNC and the lack of diversity. Yes this is personalized. It is my country and my vote. I think YOU are bothered because you like the other Obamabots assume that everyone of color is voting for you guy. It is interesting that only Obamabots get upset when I do say that I am of color.
You are the ones who brought race into this election by calling Hillary supporters racist and then extending that to McCain supporters.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Obama – show us your draft card (and your birth certificate). That shouldn’t be hard if you’re what you say you are. Come on – clear the doubt.
Posted by: Soetoro NO! | September 7, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
neville,
I realize that you are republican and you, like the repubs, like to confuse the facts. Obama will cut taxes for 95% of the people. He will let the tax cuts expire for the rich, the ones that mccain was originally against but now is for. Obama will cut taxes on anyone making less than $250,000/year. Obama/Biden 2008 will be GREAT.
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Where was diversity in the DNC for Debra Bartshevich?
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
I remember when the republicans took Michelle Obama’s “Proud of her Country” statement and spun it to mean the opposite. I wonder how they will spin the story about Mr. palin and his membership in the AIP which is an organization that wants Alaska to be separate from the other 49 states. Here’s a guy that doesn’t want to be part of the USA for Christ-sake. This also tells a lot about mc-more-war’s decision making abilities. Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Issue – Earmarks / Spending
McCain…has NEVER take a single earmark and wants to cut spending
Obama – has NEVER condemned the earmark process and wants to create additional government programs ( Every program he proposes will cost the taxpayers more money)
PS..Liberals / Progressives / Democrat
Three different words with the same goal …turn the USA into a Marxists Socialistic nation
Posted by: neville | September 7, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
It all comes down to whether or not you think we should continue the bush policies. If you think the war should continue indefinitely, while we spend $10,000,000,000 a month, and you think that bush has done well with the economy then mc-more-war is your man. If you think that it’s time we start to get out of iraq and do some positive things for the average American instead of just the top 1% then vote for Obama.
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Sure, Sarah Palin made decisions as mayor. She made a decision to hire a lobbyist to go after federal earmarks. She made a decision to support the “bridge to nowhere.” She made the decision to fire the police chief for political reasons, and she made the decision to try to ban library books.
Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Republicans are mocking the important issues that face the nation. They have no solution, just more of the same. The republican agenda or lack of an agenda is unAmerican.
We won’t let you make this election about personalities. You can’t hate who you will. Someone has to be a grownup and do what is right for America. It isn’t republicans.
If you are undecided, I ask you to look at the issues. What vision has the republican paarty given to America. Can you an average American afford another 4 years of a republican administration full of liars and bullies. Don’t stop here, study the issues.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
I wonder how they will spin the story about Mr. palin and his membership in the AIP which is an organization that wants Alaska to be separate from the other 49 states. Here’s a guy that doesn’t want to be part of the USA for Christ-sake. This also tells a lot about mc-more-war’s decision making abilities. Obama/Biden 2008!!!
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So if you find that so objectionable for Palin, tell me why did Obama and Biden vote for a bill that could have led to Hawaii’s succession from the US?
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
DO YOU REALLY WANT McCain as president who puts votes before country oh that’s righr he was a POW.so it doesnt count. McCain choice of VP was for campaign reasons only not for leadership just like Rove said. If he is elected may God forbid he could have chosen no one less qualified to be CIC. Governor less than 2 years and with no FP policy experience. All she does bring to the tickets is scandles, like the GOP
DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM ALREADY!!!!
Posted by: MERLE7 | September 7, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Concerned in Ohio, let’s be accurate about what Obama said today about the Bush Tax cuts:
“Even if we’re still in a recession, I’m going to go through with my tax cuts,” Obama said. “That’s my priority.”
What about increasing taxes on the wealthy?
“I think we’ve got to take a look and see where the economy is. I mean, the economy is weak right now,” Obama said on “This Week” on ABC. “The news with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, I think, along with the unemployment numbers, indicates that we’re fragile.”
and there’s this:
The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama’s tax plan would benefit middle-income taxpayers more than McCain’s. However, Obama would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year also would see taxes rise.
McCain’s plan cuts taxes across all income levels. It would cut taxes for those in the top 1 percent by more than $125,000, raising their after-tax income an average 9.5 percent, the center concluded.
Posted by: Sandy | September 7, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Anyone considering voting for mccain needs to do some research about the guy.Here is some info from his own party:
Former New Hampshire Republican Senator Robert Smith publicly voiced his concerns, once saying McCain’s temper ‘ … would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger’.
That sentiment was echoed by Mississippi Republican Senator Thad Cochran, who told a Boston newspaper: ‘The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.’
Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Obama: I was going to eliminate the Bush tax cuts before I was not going to eliminate the Bush tax cuts.
Is Obama creepy or what?
Posted by: Soetoro NO! | September 7, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
It all comes down to whether or not you think we should continue the bush policies. If you think the war should continue indefinitely, while we spend $10,000,000,000 a month, and you think that bush has done well with the economy then mc-more-war is your man. If you think that it’s time we start to get out of iraq and do some positive things for the average American instead of just the top 1% then vote for Obama.
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
The Brookings Institute and the Urban Institute are liberal hack organizations. Not a good source for numbers.
Posted by: Sluggo | September 7, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Did you guys see the latest word that Obama is backtrack on his tax cut pledge? That’s it… he’s completely sold out his base, from drilling to Iraq to eavesdropping and now tax cuts.
This guy is shameless. His only goal is to make it to the top. He’s not a compromiser or a unifier, just a power-mongerer.
Posted by: trustthesky | September 7, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
The American people will eventually snap out of their trance and see the fraud that Palin really is? I mean come on!! Do we really want to put this woman a heartbeat away from the presidency when she can’t or doesn’t even know where pakistan is or who is shiits or sunnis is? Do we really want her to run this country when she ran her town of 6000 into debt with 22 million? She is a habitual liar with a series of scandals and investigation circuling her head with a teenage pregnant daughter. I dont’ want that no where near the white house. I don’t want my daughters to see her as a role model cause she isn’t. She is a disgrace and I hope that barack and joe biden hammer her on the issues cause that will really expose her. The media will eventually let her implode and give her enough rope to hang her and mccain to hang themselves with when a serious question is asked that she doesn’t know the answer to. And the debates will really expose her to how inadequate she is to potentially be heartbeat away from the president As a 36 year old WHITE WOMAN, she gives me the creeps with her right wing nut beliefs that her and Mccain will try and impose on me and my family. I can tell you one positive thing, she made the hillary supporters come to their senses when she opposed everything clinton stood for and I am one of them.
Posted by: Amy | September 7, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
jpt,
it’s reporters like you that have been giving Republicans a free pass on this subject.
for god sake, reporters need to get some backbone.
Posted by: RJ | September 7, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
The truth is not on the side of republicans. If you are independent, please do your homework. the republican are telling some bold faced lies, and they hope you don’t read. After you have found the truth you will want to vote for Obama without question. The republicans have no agenda for America
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
I’m sorry this flag pin thing is still an issue. McCain didn’t wear a flag pin during his acceptance speech last week.
But then, again: noun, verb, P.O.W., consequently no one out there will “notice.”
Posted by: M | September 7, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Just because mc-more-war was a pow does not mean he should be president. The guy used to have a spine but now is nothing but a flip-flopper and a panderer. He’s also an OLD fart. The real straight-talker, John Murtha said that the Presidency is no place for an OLD man. There’s a reason they make pilots retire at age 60. mc-more-war needs to retire with his millionaire wife. (The one he had an affair with after his first wife waited for him to come back from the war.) Obama 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Oh, look!
Obama Supporters have gotten their little gerbil feet stuck to the spinning wheel and are now going around in circles.
Just like Obama.
Spin, Gerbils, Spin! :D
McCain – 48%
Obama – 45%
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.”
- Susan B. Anthony
Posted by: LeeLee07 | September 7, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Do you really think only Republicans died on 911, or in Iraq, or Afghanistan?
Will you reelect the republican party who created all this us against them nonsense.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
trustthesky
You are correct! As soon as Obama sees the public going for an issue, he’ll change is position on a dime and join right in. Within a week, he’ll be saying it was his idea all the time.
As someone said, ‘fooling some of the people all of the time’. Doesn’t say much about those being fooled. Does it?
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
This is not the America I once knew. Are these the days where you can proudly sit for 20 years listening to a Reverend who hates his country, where you can proudly claim that you hate your own country, while still become president?
At least I know that if I had such deep criticism about my country I wouldn’t be so shameless as to run for President. Lord knows I have issues with my country. But it’s my country and I will not tarnish it with such hateful ideologies.
McCain is the only choice. Hillary was my first.
Posted by: mccain 08 | September 7, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
mc-more-war quotes:
“There’s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along.” [MSNBC, 4/23/03]
“Because I believe that the success will be fairly easy,” [CNN, 9/24/02]
“We’re not going to get into house-to-house fighting in Baghdad.” [CNN, 9/29/02]
“But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” [MSNBC, 1/22/03]
“But I believe that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators.” [NBC, 3/20/03]
“It’s clear that the end is very much in sight.” [ABC, 4/9/03]
“This is a mission accomplished.” [This Week, ABC, 12/14/03]
“I’m confident we’re on the right course.” [ABC News, 3/7/04]
Can you estimate when we can bring our troops home? (Matt Lauer) “No, but that’s not really important.” [ABC 6/12/08]
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Patrotism is not in what one wears or does not wear,it’s in what you do for your country.And that is seen in how Obama worked selflessly for his community which the Republicans riducle.Fellow Americans it is the community that makes a nation and if McCain’s republicans are saying working in and for the community is not part of gorvernment then they have no business coming to power.I therefore urge all my fellow independents to vote massively for the candidate who cares about our communities Senetor Obama.
Posted by: conern NJ | September 7, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
People, you are wrong about what Obama said about his tax cuts. Personally, I don’t want a president who can’t take a changing situation into account and act accordingly. We’ve seen what happens with the stubborness of the current president.
Obama isn’t going back on his tax cuts.
Even if we’re still in a recession, I’m going to go through with my tax cuts,” Obama said. “That’s my priority.”
What about increasing taxes on the wealthy?
“I think we’ve got to take a look and see where the economy is. I mean, the economy is weak right now,” Obama said on “This Week” on ABC. “The news with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, I think, along with the unemployment numbers, indicates that we’re fragile.”
Posted by: Sandy | September 7, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
McSame = Warmonger
McSame = 100 years in Iraq
McSame = 90% voted for Bush
Palin = She was for Bridge to nowhere before she was against it!!! ha..ha..
Palin = Who?
Palin = What do we really know about Wasilla and its pregnancies?
Mcsame/Idiot 08
Posted by: Lisa | September 7, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
A blogger makes a good point, do we need another cowboy president. McCain has a history of a very bad temper. Speak or act first, think later. A hair trigger temper..holding the key to nukes…um….
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
community organizing is such a terrible thing anyone who isnt a lobbyist is stupid and moronic
i will campaign on experience and then decide to go agianst everything ive said and pick someone who has zero experience to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and then i will hide her away so she cant answer any questions and i will only bring her out to tell lies
i have said the first great decision as a potential president was the vp running mate and i have said that for me it is extremely critical because of my age….
but i am throwing that all out because i cant win without a political stunt
Posted by: bhrandon | September 7, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Palin will hide from the press. Why?
They will not expose her to any interviews by responsible media if they can at all avoid it. My guess is “maybe” Faux news, but that is it. Why? Because daily more and more is coming out about this woman. So far it seems she has lied more than she has done anything else so far. Wait, am I being sexist? Well, I will risk it while we fact check Sarah Palin, the rock star candidate some are saying will be the Republican candidate for President in 2008.
1. Sarah Palin sold the Governor’s plane on Ebay, and made a profit: Umm, no. She did list it on EBAY 3 times, but it failed to sell. She finally sold it through a broker, at a loss.
2. She is against earmarks, and has stopped them in Alaska: False. In fact, she submitted $197 million in earmarks in her current administration, the highest amount based on population of any state. In fact, the people of her town get 50 times the pork of the average citizen in the US.
3. She takes on the lobbyists. I guess this is true in one respect. She took on one lobbyist, when she put a lobbyist on her payroll to help get those earmarks and pork projects approved!
4. She has ties to extremists, She gave a speech to a group of extremists a few months ago. Her husband was a member for a long time. This group has stated that they hate the American flag, that they hate American institutions. Their founder died in an illegal attempt to buy plastic explosives!
5. If the real measure of experience for the presidency, then Palin has more experience than does Senator McCain.
6. She was before the “bridge to nowhere” before she was against it. She only opposed the measure after the project gained national attention as wasteful pork spending and was ridiculed. Once it was obvious it wasn’t going to happen, she withdrew her support. I thought Mavericks stuck to their guns no matter how the wind of popular opinion blew? Seems that rule doesn’t apply to THIS maverick.
7. She stated that Obama has not authored a single piece of legislation in the US or state senates: FALSE. Obama worked with a Republican to expand efforts to track down WMDs being sold on the black market. He lead initiatives in Illinois to study racial profiling, to record interrogations in death penalty cases, and co-sponsored ethics reform legislation. This is just SOME of the work he did, but should be enough to disprove the lie.
8. Palin said: “The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.” False. According to an independent group, unless you are among the top earners, you will see your annual income rise as a direct result opf Obama’s tax plan. Capital gains and dividend interest tax would rise, but only for the wealthiest Americans. And small businesses would see their taxes go up only if their earnings exceeded $250,000.
9. She is governor of the state that produces 20% of our nation’s energy supply. Misleading. While Alaska does indeed produce 20% of the nations energy supply, she has no control or say about that supply. This is not Saudi Arabia. The energy companies decide what is done with this “energy.”
10. She is in charges of Alaska’s National guard. This has been used to state that she has command experience, and that she has foreign experience, and that she has experience commanding troops in the fight against terrorism and in Iraq. Incredibly misleading. While she is commander in chief of the Alaskan National Guard, she has no say in their deployment outside of Alaska. She isn’t even consulted. In actuality, no one has yet to find a single order that she has issued to the troops.
11. Huckabee said she, “got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States.” Incredibly false. She received a total of 1,525 votes in two campaigns for mayor. Biden received 76,165 votes before he dropped out of the race.
12. Palin is a supporter of stevens (I think that’s the name), the senator now under charges for numerous ethical and campaign violations, even leading a 527 group to help him win his election.
13. She took on big oil. Yeah she did. The fight was about how to divvy up the windfall profits. In fact, she has been a hardcore big oil politician. She even opposed and sued the Bush administration for placing the polar bear on the endangered species list because that would protect the polar bear’s habitat where oil company’s want to drill.
14. She attends a radical church. One sermon in that church has stated that terrorist attacks against Israel are God’s retribution for not accepting Christ.
15 She attempted to ban books from the town library as Mayor. When the librarian refused, she fired said librarian. Eventually she had to rehire that librarian because of the uproar it caused.
16. She believes that all abortion should be made illegal, no matter the circumstance. This includes rape, incest, or the danger to the mother. This is a direct attempt to mix church and state. She also believes that birth control (except abstinence) is wrong, even between married couples.
17 Did I mention she is under investigation for a breach of ethics in political firings when she tried to use her office to carry out personal vendettas, and then lied about it? Now she, and McCain want the investigation to be moved from the bipartisan committee that is investigating it to the personnel department. They believe that is the appropriate place for this matter. I guess it is just a coincidence that the members of the personnel department that would conduct the investigation are all appointees of Palin.
In short, the McCain campaign can not afford to have her interviewed by any respectable journalist. She would have a lot of uncomfortable questions to answer. Questions about her patriotism, questions about her radical right wing views. Questions about her ethics. Because of her Rock Star status, people WOULD tune in to that interview. Even a seasoned politician would have a hard time fielding these kinds of questions. She could end up losing not only moderate voters, but the base as well. Therefore it is my guess that she will be held back from the press, and only make speeches to voters. Eventually she will be given to FOX news for some softball questions, all approved in advance. She will also likely be part of a McCain style Town Hall meeting. You know, the ones where only staunch supporters are invited, and they are given the questions that will be asked by the campaign itself?
The McCain campaign can not afford to have an election about the issues, especially when it comes to their new VP She is a ticking time bomb, in more ways than one
Posted by: pt | September 7, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Progressive positions which are profamily, and pro middle class. Republicans have no positions that benefit the common good in America. Don’t be fooled by republican trash talk, and their mocking of 1/2 the electorate. Republicans think America’s issues are funny, to be laughed at, mocked, and belittled. Where are republican solutions for the economy, trade, health care, and education?
Instead, republicans want to win the elections based on personalities. Do not be fooled. They, republicans are not interested in truth, but instead perception. They want to misinform enough to confuse you. They tell lies as a means to an end. They make up stuff. Go to the source when you read these blogs. Go to the source. Don’t trust the sound bites or what biased folks tell you, go get the information yourself.
When you do, I’m confident ordinary Americans will prefer progressive positions. I would like the media to be more responsive to ordinary Americans.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Obama was against the Bush Tax cuts before he was for them!–Concerned in OH
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Look, if you are a McCain supporter at least know his positions–it’s McCain who was against the failed Bush tax policies that he now supports. Obama has never supported them.
You can call them “cuts” if you want; all they do is implode the national debt. You can’t spend more revenue than you take in without creating debt. I suggest John McCain try a basic economics course. I have to assume they didn’t require it at the U.S. Naval Academy.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Oh, for heaven’s sake, Samantha — do as you like. Clearly you’re determined to make race a big huge deal in every conversation, so have at it. If you can’t see that your constant personalization of every topic is deteriorating the discussion, there’s not much that can be done about it.
The only reason I addressed you is because you’re here a lot. Simple. The only specific interest I have in you is pointing out the factual errors you constantly, constantly post. Not opinions I don’t agree with — but factual errors.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Apparently McCain didn’t always love his country.
In John McCains’ acceptance speech he said, “I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else’s.”
Sounds like the 1st couple decades of his life he didn’t love his country.
Posted by: ken | September 7, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
I want know who the hell jim inhofe is to ask if somebody really love his country, We are the ones the will be questioning his motives by trying to divide the country, by brain washing some people by tell them that some of us don’t look like them or don’t go to the same church. SAME ON YOU inhofe, you are a disgrace.
Posted by: dennis | September 7, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way! I actually liked the guy at first, when he was running against the evil Clinton machine; but after seeing Rev Wright God damning America…well it just sort of turned my stomach. And Obama’s explaination was even worse. For 20 years he listened to this guy put down my country! Add Rezko, Ayers, Sinclair and the list just goes on amd on! Sure makes McCain look a lot better to this independent!
Posted by: Ed | September 7, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
WOW! Same old tired flag pin crap. Don’t these guys have any answers to our problems?
Posted by: NubTail | September 7, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Ed, if you think Wright was something, just wait until you get a look at Palin’s preacher…
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
For those republican who are able to think, it is like this… The money pie is out of order, and needs to be fixed. Bush put all America’s money in the hands of the rich, in an unnecessary war overseas, and to pay overwhelming debt. Your pay check is smaller, and your jobs are going overseas. China is our banker..
the dreaded Obama will THINK about real ways to correct 8 years of trouble. mcSame will continue Bush policies.
If you are an ordinary American you need to vote for Obama.
I suggest that you don’t vote for right-wing slogans.
A thinking
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Obama: “Small town folk are so confused about the complexities of life that they cling to their bible and tote their guns wherever they go. Now, you people in San Francisco are elite and intelligent and … WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS BEING RECORDED?”
“Well, that was probably a poor choice of words …”.
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
POLLS THAT MATTER
The State-by-State Electoral College Map:
Obama 301
McCain 224
Tie 13
Ypou need just 270 to win. Obama has 31 in reserve and when he gets Florida and Virginia, it is over.
I can see why the Repugs are pannicking. They have had a negative bounce in the polls that matter after their convention.
McOldman is toast.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | September 7, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Republican are wrong again. The whole Wright sermon is available on the internet. Oh by the way, to the uninformed republican, go hear the whole sermon. The remarks were taken out of context. Do a bio on Rev Wright. Skip the talking points. Rev. Wright is not against America. Go find out for yourself. Stop listening to rigght wing junk slogans.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Is this SERIOUSLY all they have on Obama ? My God….
Posted by: Chad | September 7, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
I’m not trying to convince you to vote for Obama, Samantha. At all.
What I’m trying to do is counter your false assertations, which you’ve apparently heard and picked up without examining them or researching, and are now spreading around to anyone who will listen. Your vote’s gone, I’m not looking for it. But hell if I’ll stand back while you pepper undecideds with untruths about Obama — untruths it takes a Google search and 20 seconds to disprove.
You’re the one constantly saying that black people are “supposed” to vote for Obama — I’m not. I think that’s a daft idea. You vote for the person whose plans and vision you agree with. Not the one who’s got the same skin tone, or the same reproductive organs.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Grace…it ain’t just Wright. There are all the other associations! That is what you seem to be missing! The gay sex allegation and admitted drug use ain’t what I look for in a president!
Posted by: Ed | September 7, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Watch out, if they the republicans keep talking they will have to tell the real truth about their agenda. Republicans don’t want you to know how selfish they are. The changes Obama is talking about will only help average Americans? Independents you wouldn’t want the family friendly, middle class friendly policies Obama offers over the republican plan, what ever that is, would you?
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
OMG I can’t take Obama any more.
Now he has switched positions on tax cuts – is willing to keep Bush’s tax cuts if there is a recession.
Someone please pin this guy down!!
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Not caring about public displays of patriotism never bothers me.
What really worries me is a candidate who:
claims to be ready to lead yet is not even ready to take legitimate questions from the press; or
claims to be ready to lead but sounds like he is more ready to retire.
Posted by: chris | September 7, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I would argue that if you really loved your country, you wouldn’t have sacrificed it’s blood and treasure for a war based on a lie.
Posted by: cincyr | September 7, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
I have to wonder about McSame’s comment that he didn’t really love the U.S.A. until he was captured and imprisoned in North Vietnam. Seems to me, conservatives went ballistic over what they claim was a similar comment by Michelle Obama. Oh, I forgot that conservatives are the only patriots in this country. I guess we must assume that McSame loved this country before he said he did. Obama/Biden 08!!!
Posted by: caliguy55 | September 7, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
More pettiness. Get to the heart of what is your truth. What you are saying makes no sense for average Americans?
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
So Jake, when are you going to mention Obama’s Freudian slip about his “Muslim faith” in his interview with George Stephanopoulos and how that is resonating in the blogosphere?
Posted by: Joe | September 7, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Oh, lord, Ed. If you’re willing to believe Sinclair, a con man who failed a lie detector test and was arrested on a decade-old warrant under a different name (of the many he’s had), then this is a lost cause. I mean, honestly. Sinclair’s even got a history of trying to blackmail public figures. And he’s not got a single shred of proof that might makes his case remotely worth investigating…
…I mean, come on.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Caliguy,
Most people’s true love for their country comes in the 20s – the same age when McCain was captured.
McCain’s love was a result of seeing how unjust other countries can be.
Michelle Obama, on the other hand, only recently while in her 40s realized her love for her country.
This “love” was a result of her husband, Barack, doing well in the polls.
QUITE A DIFFERENCE, DON’T YOU THINK?
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Again, republican foolery. I could find someone you know and assassinate your character too. Sto mwith the nonsense, what about the American people. Are you independently wealthy. If not then democratic policies will help you family. Republican policies will throw you to the wolves.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Inhofe isn’t the most credible attack dog against Oama. He’s spoken many a diatribe against global warming, stating it’s a myth. Like the McCain and his camp, Inhofe also likes portray himself as a media critic. Recently, the Oklahoma Democratic Party has demanded that he return thousands of dollars of campaign contributions back from the idicted Ted Stevens of Alaska. His credibility and ethics as an attack dog without the lipstick probably rival Sarah Palin’s.
Posted by: kat | September 7, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
84,000 jobs lost in the last month
I’m sure a “community organizer” with a law degree is going to fix that!
Posted by: mccain 08 | September 7, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
What’ wrong with that question?
All you have to do is read Obama first book ( the book was written right after graduating from Harvard) and you will see that he belongs to that group that think “all the worked problem is because America did something wrong”
Posted by: FRIEDA | September 7, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
I personally found the part of Obama’s interview with George Steph interesting when Obama said, “my Muslim faith” and George quickly corrected him, saying “you mean your Christian faith?”
Posted by: Paul | September 7, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Grace…Sinclair recieved death threats from Obama’s goon squad! I guess Rezko didn’t sell Osnoba a house. Rev Wright had some different meaning when he was God damning America. Ayers was actually trying to help our country when he set off his bombs! Michelle meant she was proud before but just now realized it!Oh thanks…now I get it!
Posted by: Ed | September 7, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
No don’t embrace anybody. Go find the truth for yourself, stop spitting out talking points, lies, misstatements, half truths, creating devisive misperceptions that speak badly of republicans. If you read you will vote for Obama.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
How come the Republicans don’t jump on McCain or Palin when they don’t wear their “flag pin,” and when does wearing a flag pin signify your love for your country. I don’t wear one and I dare anyone to say that I don’t love America. Sometimes, the arguments coming from the conservative side are so rediculous and they would be funny except these idiots, like Senator Inhofe actually believe their own drivel.
Posted by: algwriter | September 7, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
The thoughtless find people who agree with them, the thoughtful are brave enpough to go find the truth.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Do you think only republicans died on 911?
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Enough with the Sinclair gay stuff. It only weakens your cause.
Why stoop to such nonsense to attack Obama when he himself provides so much material???
The most recent being his SUDDEN willingness to keep Bush’s tax cuts in place if there is a recession.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
so Jake
I hope Charles Gibson is actually going to follow up questions when he “interviews” palin next week.
I hope when you asked what questions should be asked …this past couple of days you are passing those on to Gibson.
He sure didn’t ask hard questions with mccain…. so it is not surprising that they picked him for the first “interview”
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Now we are getting closer to the truth. Keep on, tell the readers about your biases. Lety your true colors show. Independents need to know who they are voting for.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
I personally found the part of Obama’s interview with George Steph interesting when Obama said, “my Muslim faith” and George quickly corrected him, saying “you mean your Christian faith?”
__________________paul____________
Paul,
I had to rewind that part of the interview. Obama scares me!
Posted by: mow | September 7, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
“The Bible says two men ought not lay down together!” Carl Childers
Even Carl knows better than Obama!
Posted by: Slinblade | September 7, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Sigh. Ed:
Sinclair is so wholly unreliable, I have little doubt that he’d think an unaffiliated phone call was a death threat. And then would claim it was Obama on the other end. Seriously, the guy’s just not reliable.
And you’re right, Rezko didn’t sell Obama a house. Obama bought a house and Rezko bought adjoining land from the same owners at the same time. Then Obama bought 1/6th of Rezko’s land, at exactly 1/6th the original purchase price. The homeowners verify that the OBama offer was the best one they had.
Reverend Wright, fiery preacher. I’ve heard worse, and am generally unimpressed with the amount of religion in politics these days. Wright’s not remotely an issue for me, he’s not even an out-of-the-mainstream church.
Ayers was never convicted, and more importantly, OBama was SEVEN. Ayers has been an upstanding citizen in the 40 YEARS since, and they served together on a board. I don’t see the point in this, it’s more hyped-up jingoism to me, trying to push an anti-patriot angle.
As for Michelle, the woman clearly is proud of her country. The flap’s ridiculous, in context she’s talking about how the youth, grassroots movement has overwhelmed her. And yet again, this is part of the “he’s not really an American” bullcrap.
Do you not see how ALL of the stuff you’ve just reeled off has NOTHING to do with the issues? It’s all just the same tired whisper campaign to make people think that Obama is somehow not quite as American as most Americans. It’s cynical and dumb.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Again, to the misinformed republican: Obama has law degree that includes international studies. He actually knows something about foreign policy.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Jake
the Gibson interview that they just announced better be real…and not pre approved questions or ABCNews will be taking the hit.
Charlie talked about his similar experience to the guy who was arrested at the convention …a week or so ago.
about how when he was younger and trying to get a difficult story how he fought for it…
his interview this past week with mccain was fluff …
and I am sure that is part of the reason they granted it.
their are far too many hard issues questions that Gibson’s interview better not be fluff this time…
and I would hope you are going to fight for the network to make sure that doesn’t happen.
ABC News outside of you and one or two others needs just a little redemption from a lot fo fluff that has gone on.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
One can easily infer that the reasons which those communist Viet Kong suggested to release Mccain are: (1) Could bea goodwill to his Admiral father (2) All information has been debrief (3) He is useless in the prison, as well as a pilot again because of his physical disability. and lastly (4) It’s no longer fun to be with him.
Posted by: Sutter197 | September 7, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Ferraro was being interviewed within four days of being announced.
Dan Quayle gave an interview one day after being selected.
We are now on Day Nine for Palin and are told to expect another thirteen before she’s ready.
This is a pitbull with lipstick? More like a cowering chihuahua.
Obama, Biden and McCain have faced tough questions from the press this weekend and shown their mettle.
WHERE IS SARAH PALIN?
Come on, Republicans.
Ditch hockey mom Eagleton and give us a VP who is more meat than sizzle. I’m never going to vote for a ticket containing a VP who can’t even answer questions without a script or a teleprompter. I can picture her facing Putin now. “Just one second, Mr. Putin! JOHN!! Where’s my teleprompter?! YOU PROMISED!!!”
Posted by: Sarah 'Too-Chicken-To-Face-Media' Palin | September 7, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Inhofe has some nerve. Why doesn’t Inhofe question Todd and Sarah Palin’s patriotism? Todd was a dues paying member of the Alaska Independece Party from 1995-2002. Sara attended conventions and has been closely linked to it for years. I watched her gushing speech to the AIP convention this year. This is a group that advocates for Alaska’s secession from the US. AIP’s founder, Joe Vogler, said “the fires of hell are a glacier compared to his burning hatred of the US”. He so hated the US that he insisted upon his death to be buried in Canada.
That’s some patriotism isn’t it?
Posted by: Mom in Virginia | September 7, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Do Republicans think only republicans died in the world trade center or on flight 93, or at the Pentagon? This really why Republicans can not be reelected in the November election. Republicans have managed to take the good will of the American people, and turn it into division, debt, and unmerited war. These republicans don’t seem to care about truth. Any LIE will do to win. The end seems to justify the means. There is no discussion of the issues that affect the American people. Only us against them! There is no way a republican should be elected. Remeber 911. Remember the patriotism, the unity, the sense that we would all go to bat for one another. Today on the coming anniversary of 911, we are left with the mess created by republicans. If you can’t talk about the issues, and what is good for America, go to you know where…….
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
you all do realize that the sinclair interview was pushed by the same guys that pushed the gay rumor about mccain in North Carolina in 2000?
or are you just all that ill informed?
again anopther sign that mccain took on the same slimy ethics people that we Bush and Cheney and Rove used for the past 8 years covering up and sliming the truth and sinking the nation…
Mccain is keeping that going.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Obama confirms he is a Muslim on ABC. Obama: “My Muslim faith” Steven at BucksRight writes: “While lobbing a baseless attack accusing Republicans of trying to paint him as a Muslim on ABC’s This Week, Obama paints himself as a Muslim. The Obama campaign is in such a panic over his poll collapse that the candidate doesn’t even know what he’s saying anymore. This is the gaffe that will keep on giving.”
Posted by: Mary | September 7, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Independents,
Lets see, so far we have republican gay bashers, the religious intolerant, and fear of income redistribution even if it might benefit them. Have it got that right.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
“…opposed to public displays of patriotism and national pride, like wearing an American flag lapel pin.”
Was he talking about McCain when he gave his acceptance speech before the RNC?
Since McCain wasn’t wearing a lapel pin, he must have been sending a secret signal to his nazi brethren.
Imhofe is that FRUITCAKE that believes that global warming is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people and compares people who believe in it to the Third Reich. McCain believes global warming is real and that it is caused by humans, so…?
Posted by: mila | September 7, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Samantha, spin it however you’d like. Every time you take personal racial umbrage with someone during an internet discussion, someone who has no idea or care what race you are, you’re dragging the discussion off-course. I was suggesting you rein in on the race ID-ing (I mean, no one else on this board reels off their demographic at every turn), but I was also operating from the assumption that you cared about the discussion. My mistake.
Just watched the “my muslim faith” interview. This is idiotic. He means “John McCain doesn’t talk about my SUPPOSED muslim faith”. You’re all going nuts over something that wasn’t even an error — “John McCain doesn’t talk about Muslim faith” wouldn’t mean the same thing, he stuck “my” in there to make it clear it was a comment directly at him. On top of that, he was stating the parallel with “my Christian faith” up until George stepped in to correct him mid-statement.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
her global warming stance explained in detail how she came to the stance that she does not buy into global warming
her knowledge of russia, north korea
the spread of terrorism
her understanding of the constitution
I mean sooooo many questions you better hand Charlie Gibson the lists you received Jake… just to remind him of all of the issues which she has either denied science on not “been paying attention” really or utterly wrong on…
and outside of drilling and building a pipeline what exactly is her energy “expertise”
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Love comes in many ways, different forms, different style, but not just letting your plane shot down.
Posted by: Sutter197 | September 7, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Inhofe is a repugnant little man.
This is a man who says he loves “his” country sooooooooo much, but when he’s asked to put the money where his mouth is, Inhofe is not at home.
He voted against Senator Jim Webb’s GI Bill.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Republicans are into symbols, like flags, because they are so bereft of real values. They have raped this country the last 8 years…run it into the ditch…and they have the audacity to say that Obama is not patriotic because he doesn’t wear a pin.
Posted by: Two-cats | September 7, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Please Americans, do not let hollywood runs the White House.
Posted by: Sue | September 7, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Muslim faith? Why did Obama say “my Muslim faith?”
Posted by: alex | September 7, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
COUNTRY FIRST.
COUNTRY FIRST.
COUNTRY FIRST.
McCAIN/PALIN ’08
Posted by: ROBERT | September 7, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Obama is Christian, another republican lie..Shame on you, republicans.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
We actually know more about Palin during these last two weeks than Obama during the last 19 months. She’s had several interviews with CSPAN with people calling in and asking her questions as governor of Alaska; Obama never has given such interviews. The only time ABC News probed Obama with any depth was during his last debate with Hillary. When is ABC News going to properly vet him?
Posted by: Joe | September 7, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Slinblade, exactly how old do you think I am?! Interesting.
Choice is important to me. But equally important is American standing in the world and diplomatic resolution. I’ve been living abroad for the past 8 years, and had the chance to watch as the Bush administration both wrought absolute havoc and caused our international reputation to go straight down the toilet. We don’t have many friends out there anymore.
Having seen the US’s actions through the eyes of foreigners (who get dragged along in our wake, a lot of the time unwillingly), I am not willing to vote for a bellicose and impulsive man who helped drum up the Iraq war and proceeded to threaten Iran and start swaggering at RUSSIA. And I am CERTAINLY not ready to vote for a woman who will be a step away from the Presidency and who doesn’t seem to even have any curiosity about international relations!
For better or for worse, the US have a lot of say in the rest of the world. That relationship used to be a good one. In the past 8 years, it’s turned ugly and resentful, like a bully who constantly smacks the other kids on the playground. I’d prefer to get back on an even keel before the playground kids team up and turn their backs entirely.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Wait.. Which country are we talking about, U.S., Kenya or Indonesia?
Posted by: S Adams | September 7, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
McCain is the only one calling for unity and no partisan politics…he’ll hire Dems and Reps to do the work in changing Washington…..this guy has a record of doing just that. He was even asked to join the Dem party some years back and as Biden said “he’d be proud to run with him”. McCain has CRED and a record for working across the aisle and will bring Americans together. Obama will be divisive.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Do Republicans think only republicans died in the world trade center or on flight 93, or at the Pentagon? This really why Republicans can not be reelected in the November election. Republicans have managed to take the good will of the American people, and turn it into division, debt, and unmerited war. These republicans don’t seem to care about truth. Any LIE will do to win. The end seems to justify the means. There is no discussion of the issues that affect the American people. Only us against them! There is no way a republican should be elected. Remeber 911. Remember the patriotism, the unity, the sense that we would all go to bat for one another. Today on the coming anniversary of 911, we are left with the mess created by republicans. If you can’t talk about the issues, and what is good for America, go to you know where…….
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Democrats are into symbols, like the Che Guevara poster that is posted in one of Obama’s campaign offices. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution’s first firing squads. He founded Cuba’s “labor camp” system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. Democrats do this because they are so bereft of real values. Democrats have raped this country the last 8 years…run it into the ditch…a due to their refusal to drill for more oil that would help reduce gas prices and their lack of support for our brave fighting men and women in Iraq. And they have the audacity to say that they are patriots. What a lie.
Posted by: Mary | September 7, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Obama is pretty pathetic. I kind of feel sorry for him because he looks like such a sad loser now. Palin is the change maker that Obama says he is. It is hard to trust someone like Obama when all he has ever done is give speeches. He should have taken over Rev. Wright’s church. He is a good preacher.
Posted by: Dan | September 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
We actually know more about Palin during these last two weeks than Obama during the last 19 months. She’s had several interviews with CSPAN with people calling in and asking her questions as governor of Alaska; Obama never has given such interviews.
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Joe, you are talking about an interview that took place in February of this year. Palin has granted absolutely no press availability since the VP announcement.
This is unprecedented restriction in the history of VP nominees. Draw your own conclusion.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
JOe
that is …
there are no words as to how factually debased your comment was….
lol
and everyone knows it.
tell me what are the answers and stances that Palin has given on any issue facing us?
you know from all of those “interviews” and questions she took on C-SPAN?
you don’t know…
neither does anyone else…
and how many times did they ask a follow up after she got her 30 second soundbite out.
Obama has done hundreds of follow-ups open town halls …dinner meetings and cooffeeshops where people got to ask questions…and they were taped most of the time…
your comment doesn’t add anything to the discussion if it has as much fact in it as Palin’s speech.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
GOP fails in Loving country, making this hell to it, playing dirty games with nations with freaken war reason and economical robbery.
They betraed America and all the best of it.
that ios why they need that demonstration-convention trying to sey, in spite of all we did to you – we love America.
No, you do not.
You are the source of Republican’s Crime Era.
Posted by: Linda,Fl | September 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Inhofe was a real estate developer and became president of the Quaker Life Insurance Company. That company went into receivership while he managed it; it was liquidated in 1986 during the Iran Contra affair, and despite a two year investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission into accounting irregularities connected with the failure, Inhofe was never charged with any criminal offenses, and has since denied any wrongdoing or personal relationship with Oliver North.[5]
Posted by: Okie | September 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Huffington has some questions about McCain pushing around a woman in a wheelchair!
Posted by: Thinking | September 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Reading all the messages in this board, I found out one thing: Human mind is strange. The dualism and egoistic perception induce different opinion & views on any truth. This could be my last post as I am very dissapointed. The only advise I can give is: Think what our nation will become in the future. More war? More depression? More ethical immoral? Think for the future of your children, grandchildren, parents…… So, put aside your personal & emotional urges. Vote the right candidates who would give us hope and change for the betterness of this country and the world.
Posted by: Sutter197 | September 7, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Republicans if you woul avail yourselves of the facts, then you would stop calling people names. Do you think only republicans died on 9/11?
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Not only does Obama reluctantly wear the flag pin to show patriotism, his campaign threw away 12,000 flags after the Democratic Convention. They can try to spin it all they want by saying that they were going to use them again , but they were in with the garbage in dumpsters and found by workers cleaning up. Thank God they were given to the republican party to re-use.
That’s how much the Democats love America, they were only using the flags as props.
Posted by: S Adams | September 7, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Democrats are into symbols, like the Che Guevara poster that is posted in one of Obama’s campaign offices.
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False, Mary. A just-opened office in an outpost (Texas, I think) had a Che poster in it from previous tenants. When a news crew arrived to report on the opening of the office, the official Obama campaign saw the poster and it was removed.
Factcheck is there for a reason, people.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
I am very shocked at what is happening with the Repubs. The only thing that came too my mind when McCain hired Palin as veep. is OH WOW Mr. is going too try and *ussy his way into the white house.
McC is using this woman for his own means. This shows more than any other thing could of what the inane thinks of women.
Posted by: mannaw | September 7, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Thinking–The only person more stupid than Ariana Huffington is the person who reads her website and actually believes it. I don’t want to read about McCain and a woman in a wheelchair because it’s pure crap and a waste of my time.
Posted by: S Adams | September 7, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Grace, When have “foreigners” ever liked America” Remember “The Ugly American” published back in 1958? So please stop promoting the myth that George Bush has made America unpopular in the world. America has always been unpopular. The facts are that an Obama Presidency will not change the World’s view of America for the better. It may even make America look weak and stupid to our enemies who will disrespect the US even further by voting for an inexperience cry baby who likes to play the victim and whose references include corrupt Chicago political fixers, loony racist preachers or unrepentant terrorists.
Posted by: gary | September 7, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
S Adams, did you know that the author of the “flags in trash” story is the exact same guy who published a bunch of fake Kerry quotes on the FOX news site four years ago? FOX had to apologize for it. Look it up.
He’s done better this time; this way, it looks like the GOP potentially could have though that neatly rolled, collected and stored flags were meant for the trash.
What sort of idiots carefully collect all the props at a campaign only to throw them away?! Especially when you routinely need tons of little American flags?! This isn’t about DNC waste, this is about GOP theft.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
I’m so excited about Palin. She is coming to my state soon. I just made an awesome poster for the rally. I have heard people at my school who use to be all about Obama talking more and more about Palin. Palin is the real thing. Did I mention I excited!
Posted by: Zack | September 7, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Dan
it’s not about “speeches”
it’s about “answers”
and follow ups…
why do your beliefs and policies and processes work?
that happens in interviews and questions with follow ups…
Obama has done that almost every single day since he announced…
and anyone who has been there when he did it is probably voting for him.
I saw both of them…and Obama is good…and Mccain is good…on the first question
secodn Obama will go off on a long logical path…
Mccain gives a quick rejoinder or excuse…
and on the third…
Mccain goes for …the joke, the anger..or …drum roll..”POW”
Obama and Biden can talk about all the issues we face in deatail and breadth.
Now Palin…can’t seem to get the first one right yet…
they will “school her” in the 30 second soundbite of wealthy cowboy diplomacy and economics… and might even take a swing at one follow up now and again without a joke or an insult or an attack
but we will see when someone is actually able to call out the 30 second soundbite bluff…
the worst decision judgement by a Presidential candidate in the history of our nation…
and now they are trying to cover it up with the same tactics that were used to cover up wmd, Libby, the justice department, the inept mistakes of Katrina…etc…
no more. throw the crooks out!
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Palin is a real agent of change. Excerpt from Newsweek article:
“Palin has given jobs to friends and appointed lobbyists to oversee industries they used to represent. There’s nothing illegal about it—that’s business as usual in politics. But part of Palin’s appeal is that she markets herself as a reformer who fights against cronyism, when in fact her record shows her to be, in many ways, a typical politician who rewards her friends and punishes her enemies.”
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Yes, and we will question McCain’s VP picks close ties, if not directs ties with the AIP. AFterall, Palin’s husband is a member and why would we want someone on our ticket whose family does not want to even be a part of the country?
Posted by: Peggy | September 7, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
If you are an ordinary American you need to vote for Obama.
I suggest that you don’t vote for right-wing slogans.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Zack
More people saying Palin is the worst VP candidate in our history… asking questions about her sheer volume of blankness on any issue we are facing or any proof that she understands thekm enough to get us through them…or even assist getting us through them…
or asking how she doesn’t believe really in science…or global warming or evolution…
is not a good thing
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Folks, Obama is just a politician, lighten up, he’s neither a saint nor a devil, he’ll just do or say anything to win an election.
Posted by: Charles | September 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Gary, ever lived outside the US? Most foreigners like the US, it’s where television shows and music come from. In the past 8 years, it’s also been where war comes from, and that war’s swept up a bunch of troops from other countries. Foreigners have seen their governments sending troops to fight a war that practically the entire nation thinks is stupid, but it has to be done because the US is the big force in the world right now (though, Russia…)
They used to think we were bossy, but not stupid. Now they think we’re bossy, stupid, and possibly pathological. Amazingly, foreigners are able to draw a distinct line between disliking the US government and liking the US people — a skill I have yet to see in operation from the US towards “foreigners”.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Mary the newsweek artivcle makes her sound not only like a religious zealot but one that used her political power to reward and punish her personal relationships…
and that she has no clue on issues that face our country.
read the article again.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
grace,
Factcheck is not always correct and tends to have a leftist slant. So, sorry, facts are facts. An Obama campaign headquarter office did display a poster of Che and the excuse it was there before is just not credible in my view.
Posted by: Mary | September 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Debra, I agreed. Obama and the liberal Dem leaders have divided the Dem Party seriously this election year while the GOP successfully unit their own Party by chosen Palin, a typical conservative from their republican base.
Posted by: stock_craft | September 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
The only “change” Palin brings to the election is lipstick Other than that it same right wing corruption different day.
Posted by: Peggy | September 7, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Dl
Obama only says what he thinks will further his carrier. He has changed positions so many times on so many issues in the past two years no one knows where he stands. He had time to make a difference in Washington but he did nothing. Look at how he left Chicago in shambles. I don’t know how anyone can even consider trusting Obama. Obama is all talk and vague solutions and poor judgment.
Obama’s celebrity peaked too soon. Now he is old news. Maybe he should have continued dying his hair so he could keep the college kids interested.
Posted by: Dan | September 7, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Blogger, you didn’t miss a thing. Obama is a Christian. You still have republicans circulating misinformation, ignor them. They goal is mischief. They mis state reality so often, they lack any credibility.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
The biggest hypocrites are Palin fanatics. They were the same folks crying up a storm that A)Obama is inexperienced and B)Obama is an unknown and his supporters are cultists and fanatics.
Palin has been a nationally known entity for less than two weeks and folks here and at her rallies are giddy. Nobody knows anything about her and she is scared to do do any real interviews, she’s an image not a candidate.
It looks like folks were just jealous of Obama more than anything.
Posted by: Jonze | September 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
I think its time for McCain to move aside Sarah Palin should be the new president spread the news Sarah Palin is the real thing PALIN for PRESIDENT PALIN for PRESIDENT everyone knows this lets get this train moving and let this so called straight talk express derail itself
Posted by: beyond hope | September 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Wrong again, republicans mistate the facts so often, they lack credibility.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
If i am an ordinary citizen I have to vote for Obama!?
Problem: I don’t want to be ordinary, I want to be an extraordinary American citizen, I want the best for my country!!!
Posted by: Charles | September 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Dan
Most of your comment had a typ-o
you typed Obama you meant Mccain.
“Mccain only says what he thinks will further his carrier now. He has changed positions so many times on so many issues in the past two years no one knows where he stands. He had sooooooooo much time to make a difference in Washington but he did nothing. “
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Zack how do you know she is the real deal, how long have you known about her? It’s amazing how people can get so excited about someone they hardly know. She’s going to have a lot of people walking around with egg on their faces in the weeks to come, wait and see.
Posted by: vote4peace | September 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Plain isn’t qualified to be VP. She doesn’t know the issues and everywhere she goes, she just reads from a teleprompter. She used to be a sports caster.
If she ever gives an interview, she will get the questions ahead of time. The dumb media won’t do their job and ask her any hard questions like they did with Hillary. If you’re a former beauty queen like Palin, the male media will give you a PASS.
Posted by: jellybelly | September 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
S Adams,
Were you really angry?!
Alf
Posted by: Alf | September 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
This guy will flip flop and do and say anything to get elected….kind of like when Rev. Wright said to Moyers, “Obama says what he has to as a politican”. Who here doesn’t think BO would sell his soul for this? My guy, McCain risks being unpopular within his own party often, and tells you he’s never been “Miss Congeniality”. He and Bush have not been big fans of one another and I’m sure they don’t like each other now. BO needs to go back to the Senate and try SERVING this country for more than 143 days! Never Presidential material….McCAIN/PALIN ALL THE WAY!
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
dl So all you Obama supporters think attacking Palin on her conservative Christian conservative religious beliefs trumps Obama belonging to a church for twenty years that teaches black liberation theology? Bring it on.
Posted by: daryl | September 7, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Ed, I look forward to watching an interview with Palin about international issues, the war in Iraq, and education. At the moment, every day that goes by makes me more and more certain that she’s holed away learning how to divert those questions. That’s not promising to me, and it doesn’t say much about McCain’s judgement, that he picks someone he then has to kidnap and indoctrinate.
Can’t you see that he should’ve picked someone who already held these opinions? It doesn’t work to just project McCain’s opinions onto her, like she’s some sort of cipher. I don’t want to suddenly get to know the Real Sarah Palin two years down the road when she’s President Palin.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
How can anyone question Sen. Obabma’s patriotism based on whether or not he wears a pin? What about Todd & Sarah Palin’s ties to the Alaskan Independent Party separatist group, which promotes succession from the union? Doesn’t sound too patriotic to me!!
Posted by: GeorgiaforObama | September 7, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Dan: Obama is all talk?
Bwaaaaahhhaaaaahahaaaaaa.
Palin gives a scripted speech full of lies. Lies about Obama and lies about her own accomplishemts.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Although Sarah Palin is allowing an interview under scrutiny, she may carefully negotiate which questions are deemed off the table, therefore crafting her manufactured popular image, and withholding valuable answers to some serious ethical and judgment issues. We need to do something. We need to collectively send an email to ABC news. I believe I heard that Charlie Gibson may do the interview. We need to make sure that they place Palin under the same scrutiny as they did Obama, especially during that ill-fated debate when they invoked flag pins, and Wright, and Ayers, and questioned his patriotism. We need them to ask the tough questions voters need answered.
Posted by: Take action | September 7, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
someone find me a report from Alaska that says anything about a single issue we are facing where she shows a grasp of it
and then show me one report where someone says she grasps any of these issues
and then show me a report somewhere that someone says she reaches across aisles outside oil and gas revenue issues (including a pipeline in the oil and gas revenue dependent state)…
she has an 80% approval because they are an oil economy dependent state?
guess who has made the most money in the past few years ?
you guessed it Alaska. of course they have an 80% approval…ugh..
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
John McCain is afraid to campaign without Palin. His rallies are going to have 20 people, hers 2000. He’s created a monster (in more ways than we realize, I think). I thought Hillary might have a problem being in the number 2 position but she looks meek compared to the pitbull. McCain better not make her mad. Scary, scary woman.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Bloggers, I have this to say. Progressives need to fact check republicans often. They mis-state and lie alot. Check them. Don’t let independents be misinformed. They want to make the election about personalities. It isn’t. The elction is about the important issues facing the American people. Republicans think only they love their country. The evidence is to the contrary. The republicans want to win the election by smearing the opposition. Don’t let them. Make them tell the truth about their negative motivations. Vote for hope, and vote for change. Obama/Biden
God bless America
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
William of Orange,
Pop quiz:
Which of the following positions does Barack Obama hold today (09/07/2008):
1. I will get rid of Bush’s tax cuts and shift the tax burden to the wealthy.
2. I will keep Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy if the economy goes into a recession.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
I look forward to watching an interview with Palin about international issues, the war in Iraq, and education
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hahahahahahah
Somebody is still writing her script. The they have to load the teleprompter. Then she will read it. Then all the fundie dummies will say she’s a genius!
Posted by: jellybelly | September 7, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Jonze: What you said is on the money and worth repeating. These same fanatics will be ready to throw her under the bus once more and more things about her are revealed. They can’t help it that they are so desperate. Mark my words and wait to see how they’ll respond to her in the coming weeks. Out of all the more qualified female candidates at John McCain disposal they’ll find out she’s not it.
Posted by: vote4peace | September 7, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Grace..your point is good, except for one thing! Your true liberal colors are showing through! You try to put McCain and Palin down because you can’t show Obama’s good! There aint much there, is there? I am not crazy about McCain, I am just being forced to choose the lesser of two evils!Get it? I’ll simplify: Obama-evil
McCain- less evil
Thanks and have a good life!
Posted by: Ed | September 7, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Mary: “facts are facts” and “just not credible in my view”.
Those two things don’t jibe. Facts are facts. That you chose not to believe them only speaks of your inability to admit that you were wrong.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
It amazing that the Palin fanatics are all juiced up over someone who’s only spoken words so far are coming from a Bush speechwriter at a time they’ll trying to pull off their “Change” sham. Barack is right, she’s just more of the same.
Posted by: vote4peace | September 7, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
McCain will fill his cabinet with Reps and Dems, the best and the brightest and the rich ones will have to agree to take a $1 a year. . . this is the guy who is a UNIFIER and not DIVISIVE, like Bozo.
Arent’t the Dems the party of “tolerance”…and kicked Hillary to the curb. I will not stand by and watch them do it with Gov. Palin. I was a Hillary supporter (not party loyalist/platform voter) who will be thrilled to vote McCain/Palin!
Axlerod is uglier than BHO who has that wart on the side of his nose…very pronounced on the O’Reilly interview.
Never vote Axlerod’s sock puppet.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
William of Orange,
Another pop quiz:
Which of the following positions has Obama held this past week?
1. The surge has not succeeded
2. The surge has succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Well, Sen. Inhofe, if you are not questioning Sen. Obama’s patriotism, why should we? And why did you bring up that question after all?
Posted by: Chris | September 7, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Obama “My Muslim religion” isn’t qualified to be President. Obama doesn’t know the issues and everywhere he goes, he just reads from a teleprompter. He used to be a community organizer. Obama was trained to work in the Alinsky method of community organizing. Saul Alinsky, the radical University of Chicago-trained social scientist. At the heart of the Alinsky method is the concept of “agitation”–making someone angry enough about the rotten state of his life that he agrees to take action to change it; or, as Alinsky himself described the job, to “rub raw the sores of discontent.” Whenever Obama gives an interview, he makes a bunch of gaffes without his handy teleprompter. “57 States” “my Muslim religion” etc etc etc. The dumb media won’t do their job and ask him any hard questions like they did with Hillary. If you’re a former member of the racist black liberation theology church, the liberal media, in the tank for Obama, will give you a PASS.
Posted by: Mary | September 7, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
daryl
we don’t attack Palin on her christian beleifs
we attack her on her throwing science out the window when they don’t stand so well with the bible’s literal interpretation.
we do not need someone (our founding father’s set it up so we wouldn’t have someone) putting faith above law and science.
this woman obviously has a history of putting faith before law and science.
that is bad…very very bad.
but more than that it is her complete lack of grasp on ANY of the issues our country is facing that is why we “attack” her…and Mccain showing clearly that hiding the witness and covering the truth from sight…and then trying to blow smoke with the press…
is exactly what the last 8 years have been.
This woman is the worst candidate we have EVER seen be nominated for a postion dealing with the white house cabinet …never mind being an aging heartbeat away from being the leader of a freakin screwed up world that these tactics have brought it there.
throw the crooks and bums out.
no more hide and seek ethics and governemtn.
america …don’t be played for another 4.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
REALITY CHECK.
==============
Americans have a choice………
If you like to pay higher taxes,social
programms,higher gas prices,more government,very weak defense and foreign policy ultra left liberal wing
agenda…vote Obama…
If you like LESS TAXES,SMALL GOVERNMENT
STRONG DEFENSE AND FOREIGN POLICY….
VOTE FOR McCAIN/PALIN ticket.
Posted by: ROBERT | September 7, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Even though a person’s choice of church is private, I would hope that Palin gets some exposure on her Dominionist church, which makes Hagee’s church and views look rather moderate. I will say there’s a lot of enthusiasm expressed in her church with the drumming, swooning and arms outstretched with the receiving fingers for the Holy Spirit. If the media can replay the Wright videos round the clock, perhaps they would oblige with the Palin church videos.
Posted by: kat | September 7, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Debra
Mccain through out the unifier title when he picked the anti woman woman as his vp.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Ed, I’m a liberal, unapologetically so. A huge issue for me is healthcare. I’ve lived in two different countries with some form of national health insurance. Ironically, my taxes in the US were actually HIGHER than the ones in the countries where I lived — the US offering no healthcare at all, and my resident country offering free healthcare entirely.
I want a president who will provide comprehensive health. I know what it’s like to live in a country that provides it, and what it’s like to live in a country where you can’t get it. I’ve always been lucky enough to be able to pay for private, but there are people who can’t. I believe it’s my moral duty to make sure impoverished people get medical checks, and I think that the government’s the way to do it. When you put what is a compassionate task totally in the hands of private business, the compassion quickly gets whittled out as “efficiencies”.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Grace,
Name those countries.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
McCain will fill his cabinet with Reps and Dems, the best and the brightest and the rich ones will have to agree to take a $1 a year. . . this is the guy who is a UNIFIER and not DIVISIVE, like Bozo.
Posted by: William | September 7, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Willem van Oranje, FACT: An Obama Campaign headquarter did have a poster of Che on their wall. Deal with it.
Posted by: daryl | September 7, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Mary,
Try watching the entire interview with Obama on ABC to understand the context of the converstation. Obama did not state that he was Muslim, he was speaking about the attacks from those on the right (like you) ignorantly and incorrectly labeling him as being a Muslim. I understand that ‘context’ is a difficult concept for many of you on the far right but I’ll do my part to help you out.
Lastly, I want to pass along that if you have employer-provided health care, McCain’s ‘health’ plan will tax you on the cost the employer pays on your behalf. For example if your employer pays $2,000 annually to cover you with health insurance and you pay $500 to the company to offset part of the premium, you will have to pay income tax on the difference of $1,500 under his ‘plan.’ Currently, these benefits are not taxable to you. I guess he has to do what he can to fund those tax credits for big oil.
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
robert go look at the numbers
taxes are going to get raised…Mccain is asking you to “read his lips”
so either you can paick obama who is telling you who he is going to tax and who is going to get a rebate…
or the guy who is lying about any taxes.
there is no way that Mccain won’t tax…chances are he just will make sure the middle class carries more of the burden than Obama will…when he comes abck and tells the American people that “things have changed”…
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
I am in mourning for my country when our leaders?/our politicians (the best corporate money can buy) engage in scurrilous attacks like this and continue to sell us out.
Not being a politician, I however, question McCain’s love of country, when despite saying one thing he does another (that is a lie when our kids do it) …and selected an unqualified running mate (one minor heart beat from the presidency) . Last I heard neither pit bulls nor hockey moms were qualifications to be president…but they both McCain & Palin seem highly qualified in the lie & smear dept. if nothing else. The last 8 years of lies and spies was enough. No more of that propaganda crap please.
Obama and Biden make me think there is a chance that the real America might have a chance of being returned to us. They talk straight…but even more they walk the walk they talk.
I feel that Obama/Biden can save us from the current corporate takeover of America, from the deregulation and outsourcing of America and our jobs, from the Republican recession and maybe even from the devestation of global climate change.
Both McCain & Palin have documented histories of lobbyist/corporate connections that are over the top.
To the Neocon takeover of the Republicans I say:
Fool us once (shame on you)
Fool us twice (shame on us)
Posted by: Lee Lull | September 7, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
JA: UK and NZ.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
JA: What is your problem with Obama’s position?
Have you noticed that the economy is hurrying towards a recession real real fast right now? Lots of people will be following the fall of the DOW tomorrow because of the news of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac this weekend. It might be spectacular.
McCain only NOW expressed that he’s a bit worried. After a year of bad economic data, he only now things it’s tough?
McCain is right, we need change in Washington. McCain is fully incapable of adapting to changing circumstances. Obama is.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Palin should not be allowed to hide from the media or to give fake interviews.
Oh, I have to be tutored on world issues, then I will talk to you, but only if you give me the questions ahead of time and let me read from a teleprompter. Cause I’m a hockey mom. Duh!
Leaders around the world are laughing at us.
Posted by: jellybelly | September 7, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
again Mccain’s healthcare does nothing to fix any problem
it is the same as Bush.
the same as almost all of his policies.
Posted by: dl | September 7, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
We know Rev Wright fought on the frontlines in Vietnam but McCain only flew over vietnam.
What about hate mongers like McCain`s spiritual guides Hagee and Parsly.
Posted by: Krista | September 7, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
William,
My point regarding my two pop quizzes is, to put it mildly: Flippity Floppity Floo.
Yesterday the surge didn’t work, today it was successful beyond belieft.
Yesterday Obama was against keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy based on PRINCIPLE, today he’s thrown principle out the window.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
I`d rather vote for Obama who provides real solutions than McCain who is running on experience and POW.
And did i hear McCain talking about change. He is so lacking ideas that he now has to copy Obama`s campaign message.
Posted by: Keith | September 7, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Grace,
Do your research. Universal Health Care in the UK ONLY APPLIES TO ENGLAND.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Since Obama and his supporters can’t stop talking about Palin, let’s see ABC News have a round table debate between Obama and Palin with both George Stehanopoulos and Charlie Gibson moderating. After watching her eviscerate her opponents in a similar debate when she ran for governor of Alaska, I predict the Barracuda will shred him to pieces for crabs and fishes to feast on. I’m sure the McCain campaign will agree to it, but will Obama and his supporters agree to it given his past poor performance without teleprompters?
Posted by: Joe | September 7, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
“Palin should not be allowed to hide from the media or to give fake interviews”.
Palin is a control freak.
Posted by: William | September 7, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Grace,
And oh yeah, NZ has notoriously a bad UHC system.
There are wait lists for surgery beyond belief.
People are being urged by the government not to go to the hospital unless a real emergency.
DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Can nOBAMA compare McCain. Obsolute not Obama.
Jonh MacCain loves this coutry
Posted by: Andrew N | September 7, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
It would be very dumb to question the patriotism of a candidate running on a major party ticket.
This is just dumb. How about the candidate that actually collaborated with the communists in vietnam and also grounded 5 US fighter planes?
Posted by: Keith | September 7, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
dl – you insult women. I know scads of them that are thrilled with Gov. Palin… and the few women in this country that strap one on everyday, are fewer than you want to think.
This is one Hillary supporter who is going to fight for a McCain/Palin win. I’m not waiting 24 more years to vote a woman into Washington..she is the American dream…humble roots, college grad, broadcast journalist, PTA mom, city councilwoman, Mayor, Governor and now VP….she is one of the people, MORE than the exotic one, Rootless Cosmopolitan, World Citizen, Barack Hussein Obama.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
“I’m sure the McCain campaign will agree to it, but will Obama and his supporters agree to it given his past poor performance without teleprompters”?
I’ll take that bet Ace. Palin only likes to attack when there isn’t anybody there to call her on it.
Posted by: William | September 7, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Here ya go Grace………….READ UP
ACT New Zealand Health Spokesman Heather Roy today released new information revealing that hospitals throughout New Zealand were under-funded by $94.6 million in the year to June 2004.
“Figures obtained under the Official information Act show that, while total DHB deficits came to $58.3 million, the Hospital Provider Arms – the DHB branch responsible for providing hospital services – registered a $94.6 million shortfall,” Mrs Roy said.
“This is why Health Minister Annette King is hiding the real total waiting list numbers, and has avoided answering my questions for the past three months.
“I recently revealed that, at the end of June 2004, over 56,000 people were booked for operations or on the Minister’s Active Review – the waiting list to get on the waiting list. Ms King refuses to provide numbers of patients referred back to their GP.
“Prospects are even worse, however, for the tens of thousands waiting for surgery to be performed this financial year. Contrary to the Minister’s claims of huge cash injections into health for the 2004/05 year, 11 DHBs received less funding this year in inflation adjusted terms.
“The truth is that Prime Minister Helen Clark’s claimed $547 million increase for DHBs this year is nonsense. Of this, $218 million is to fund Disability Services (Aged Care) not previously DHBs’ responsibility – and the actual increase, of around $300 million, doesn’t even match inflation.
“The new confirmation that Hospital Provider Arms ran a $94 million deficit shows, once again, that hospitals and patients are paying the price of Labour’s deception over health funding and waiting lists. Without doubt, this will become even worse this year,” Mrs Roy said.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Inhofe is a typical right-wing nationalist – he could care less whether the country is in the tank as long as the people who put it there are wearing flagpins.
And this from a McCain supporter, whose candidate for the highest office in the land said today that because Russia sits just across the Bering Straits from Alaska this means that Sarah Palin has foreign policy experience. Anyone who trades in that sort of logic should be disbarred from consideration for any sort of public office. Neither America nor the world needs another four years of the GOPs’s mixture of intellectual laziness and religous zealotry.
Posted by: Jack | September 7, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
McCain is Washington:
* Voted with Bush 90% of the time
* Has 169 lobbyists working for him. Obama has 0
* Gave tax breaks to oil companies
* Opposes equal pay for equal work for women
McCain is more of the same. Vote Obama.
Posted by: RealMcCain | September 7, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
America has the option to chose between an intelligent president with real solution(Obama) and somebody who will continue the policies of the worst president in US history(McCain).
The choice is very clear and all those who love America understand that.
Posted by: Kenny | September 7, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Daryl:
No, fact is that that was a poster from a previous renter of the office. That picture was taken when the campaign moved in.
But if you think that such a thing is a HUGE issue for you. Soooo HUGE that that it’s an ABSOLUTE DEALBREAKER for you.
Go Right Ahead. Vote against your own interests and your family like healthinsurance.
At least you will have not voted a guy in office who hasn’t been caught with a leftover Che-poster in one of the campaignoffices.
That should really make you feel better. No matter that you risk going broke because you can’t pay the healthcare your kid might need in the future. You’ve saved the country from an invasion of Che-posters.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
JA – you forgot Obama flip flopping on his answer about conception at the Saddleback Faith forum.
King of Flip Flop….he will become more outspoken in weeks to come, about drilling too…..mark my words.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Watch out Debra, Grace may accuse you of derailing the conversation because your post hints of your being a woman.
Obambots= True hypocrisy
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
dl
Read some history books about political
campaigns…
Back in ’84 between Reagan/Mondale
debate…quote:Reagan said:i will not
raise your taxes…..and Mondale said:
my opponent won’t tell you…i just did.
You know who lost the elections…It
was Mondale…..
You don’t tell the voters:i will raise
taxes to a certain group of citizens
because you will lose the elections..
Americans don’t like to hear about
taxes either way….
Posted by: ROBERT | September 7, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Trish, I am an Independent and not a party loyalist like Hillary has to be. But, I bet, privately in the booth, even she and Bill will vote McCain, as they remember the treatment by their own party this year! HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN/PALIN
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
McCain said Palin has foreign policy experience because Alaska is close to Russia. How pathetic. How can he be a president than Bush?
Posted by: Keith | September 7, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
At least you will have not voted a guy in office who hasn’t been caught with a leftover Che-poster in one of the campaignoffices.
_________________________________________
And he would have not voted for a guy that used Cocaine (which is a felony) and bought his house from Tony Rezko’s wife, associated with Ayers, attended Wright’s church for 20 years.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
JA, what you fail to realise here is that while there are waiting lists in NZ — THEY STILL GET SURGERY. In both countries, in fact, you can “go private” if you wants faster service. The point of national healthcare is not to provide top-notch healthcare to all comers. It is to ensure baseline healthcare for all, where you can get affordable prescriptions and regular doctor visits, and even surgery — WITHOUT going bankrupt.
These systems protect citizens from going to totally bankrupt if you need a liver transplant. They protect people from missing something like diabetes because of regular doctor visits. In the US? We don’t have that protection. We’re not looking out for the least of us. And that’s a filthy shame.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Obama, speaking to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on “This Week,” was talking about what he described as “smears” that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Christian.
“Let’s not play games,” Obama stated. “What I was suggesting – you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come.”
Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, “Christian faith.” WOW!!!
Posted by: kelly | September 7, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
It,s the usual republican smear campaign to scare the hell out of their base. The commander in chief they have now got us in the wrong war in iraq and remember John Mccain voted 90 percent of the time with his commander in chief. Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and President Obama is an american just as i am american and i serve in the military and believe me there are corporate titans and lobbyist who have not serve a day in the military and will sell our country to the highest bidder and you better believe their patroitism will not be questioned sounds something like this OH he.s a good fellow.
Posted by: timothy sanders | September 7, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Dave, Stop the Name Calling which is a typical Obama supporter tactic when they can’t deal with the truth about Obama.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Grace,
Yeah, they get surgery if they don’t die first!
And even then, many doctors REFUSE to diagnose real illness for the elderly so as to cut costs – leaving them to die.
And get this………THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE VOLUNTARY SURGERY PAID FOR OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS WITHOUT BRIBING DOCTORS.
It’s a cute little idea, but it is FLAWED.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Sorry to burst your bubble Debra, but Hillary lost the nomination because she didn’t play to win. I agree that she would (and should) have been a strong candidate in the general election but Obama had a better campaign strategy and was more aggressive in states that Hillary’s camp ignored. (Remember Hillary’s quote “it’ll be over by super-Tuesday”?) That’s why she lost — not because of the media or sexism or anything else. If you are actually a former Hillary supporter voting for McCain solely because of the Palin VP pick, you either are not informed on the issues or don’t care about them — either way please stay home on election day.
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
The McSameBush campaign said that Palin will not do any interviews unles she is treated with “deference.” Like some little lady in the 19th century.
Somebody tell this fool that Putin and Afghanistan will not treat her with deference!
Posted by: jellybelly | September 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
McCain, Palin and Bush are the same. They have the same old ploicies that we want to change and turn the page over on November 4. We can’t no longer wait for another four years in the White House.
Obama/Biden ’08
Posted by: I.A.T smith | September 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
And get this………THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE VOLUNTARY SURGERY PAID FOR OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS WITHOUT BRIBING DOCTORS.
————————–
JA, that’s flat-out untrue. If you want to pay and go faster, you go private. That’s how it works.
Your information is not reality.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
McCain = Bush
what part of Bush do you really want to keep?
Posted by: Gus | September 7, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
JA: “hospitals throughout New Zealand were under-funded by $94.6 million in the year to June 2004.”
OMG. That’s it? Underfunded by $94.6 million?
NZ-Dollars? What’s the exchange rate?
And when the deficit is corrected, how much are New Zealanders paying for their healthcare? And compare that with how much we are paying? And then compare the quality of healthcare they get and we get?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Re: “you forgot Obama flip flopping on his answer about conception at the Saddleback Faith forum.”
WHO CARES. He’s running for President, which has nothing to do with most of the stupid questions asked at that fundie forum. Obama should have skipped it.
Posted by: jellybelly | September 7, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Debra, let them insult women, they will regret when they see the final reult.
My family now votes for Republican.
Posted by: Sue | September 7, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
“I voted for Hillary and would never vote for Obama now”.
Time for you to check into Uncle John’s campaign headquarters for better talking points. Yours are getting old and stale.
Posted by: Trish | September 7, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
William,
Guess what the budget is for the NZ health care system?
Are you aware of the budget and population size?? LOL
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Grace, At least in the US the “impoverished” get health care, ever heard of Medicaid? If Obama gets his way and we go to a government run Universal Health Care, Health Care will be rationed and FEWER people will be getting health care, maybe no one. That is the track record of the Nations that have government run health care programs. So if you are really interested in making sure the “impoverished” get health care, vote for McCain/Palin.
Posted by: terry | September 7, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
To those hilary supporters who are ready to jump ship and vote for Mccain you will be sorry he is already sounding more and more like obama just listen to some of his ads after the convention, they are actually using new words as change and out of touch in their ads all from the obama campaign ads. You see if you can,t beat em join em. Unite behind your party their are very serious issues in this country that need to be worked on .
Posted by: timothy sanders | September 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
William of Orange,
ONCE AGAIN, please research the NZ health care system
Their quality of health care is HORRENDOUS.
Wait times for surgeries have increased drastically. People are dying because wait times for coronary surgery have doubled over the last year.
WAKE UP.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
It’s a cute little idea, but it is FLAWED.
———–
Explain to me how a sudden, unforseen illness resulting in the loss of your home, your savings, everything you have — remind me how that’s not flawed.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
McCain is the one who DID NOT WEAR A FLAG PIN during his speech at the convention! McCain and Palin are LIARS! People need to smarten up and really listen to what they are saying and then look at the FACTS. They don’t match! How can people say they back Palin when they don’t know anything about her. McCain doesn’t even know her! He said: “she sold the state plane on Ebay for a profit!” TRUTH is she placed it on Ebay, but it NEVER sold. She sold it to someone else for a LOSS. While this isn’t that important politically, it show McCain DOESN’T KNOW HER or what he is talking about! I am especially disappointed in the women. I am a 50 year old, white, educated women and I just don’t get what is going on. Don’t you want a person who is truthful?? You’re showing yourselves to be ignorant and I’m embarassed by it.
Posted by: Teri from Ohio | September 7, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Gus,
Obama = Ayers/Wright/Rezco
what part of Ayer/Wright/Rezco do you really want to keep?
McCain/Palin 2008
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
“I’m not questioning his patriotism, just his apparent opposition to displays of patriotism.”
Ugh… its so transparent. To them its one and the same. Obama is opposed to displays of patriotism that are used to hide something less noble.
Posted by: Nick B | September 7, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
My posts can be stale as Wonder Bread and I my husband and I are Hillary supporters that are voting for McCain. Mother in law is an Edwards supporter that is voting for McCain. Aunt in Florida is a Hillary supporter voting for McCain. College friend and her partner in Colarado – are Hillary supporter voting for McCain.
Paste all the links you want. We are people who voted for Hillary in the DNC primary that are now voting for McCain/Palin.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
JA: “Are you aware of the budget and population size?”
No. You want to tell us?
And then compare that with the US?
The US on average pays twice as much for less quality with the rest of the Western World.
So I’m confident you won’t come back with correct numbers. But go boy, go fetch those numbers for both NZ and the US.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Grace,
Here’s a solution: BUY HEALTH CARE AND HAVE THE GOV GIVE A TAX DEDUCTION FOR IT.
People have enough money to buy cable tv, but don’t want to pay for their own health. It’s sickening.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
dl
You really wanted to say ‘anti abortion’ didn’t you?
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Sorry Dave….50% of Americans vote on emotions….who they feel is deserving of the job. I am 50 and usually vote right of center and have voted both Rep and Dem. I am not a believer in all the PROMISES of either party. I like that McCain is INCLUSIVE and wanting leaders in BOTH parties to work together….a reformer and a Maverick. I also can’t stand Obama…seriously…not for Prez. I don’t care what he does after this, hopefully serve his country more than 143 days (Senate). Community organizing (getting asbestos removed from a building) doesn’t count in my books. I also watched a bio on him today and the early 80′s are a mystery. He was living on the streets and doing drug, his two friends from Pakistan won’t give interviews. BO has no character witnesses except his Indonesian half sister he lived with as a boy, and Michelle (who has her own issues against whitey).
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Hasta la Vista McsameBush! And send Palin back to her igloo!
Posted by: jellybelly | September 7, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
William of Orange,
The population of NZ is about 3.9 million. So let’s not compare it to the US when it comes to total cost. It’s kind of stupid, don’t you agree?
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
So Obama isn’t patriotic because he doesn’t wear a flag pin in his lapel?
News flash-wearing a flag pin in your lapel doesn’t make you patriotic any more than walking into a garage makes you a car!
My favorite definition of patriotism is from Mark Twain: “A patriot supports his country at all times, and his government when it deserves it.” Amen, Mr. Twain.
Posted by: Traci | September 7, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
JA, have you actually experienced the NZ healthcare system?! You speak like a person who has learned much through the all-seeing Google, but has no idea what information is real and what is not.
The system in the UK is different from the one in NZ. NZ is much more basic, and I’m hearing they’re looking at going totally private — partially because employers offer the over-and-above healthcare. In the UK, I paid for nothing and my aunt skipped a waiting list for a knee replacement by going private. In NZ, I got a good amount of basic health and paid a very low copay per visit. In the UK, my uncle had a stroke and went national all the way with it.
I’m not saying we need to follow either of their models. I AM saying it’s totally unacceptable to me that people living in America find themselves paying hugely inflated medical service costs if they don’t have healthcare. I was caught unawares by this on a business trip back to the US. Twinged my back, couldn’t move well, went to the ER. Eight hours and an x-ray later, I was prescribed some pills. Total cost for this visit? $1,500. Which I had to pay in its entirety.
So no, I don’t quite think that the US system is fine as it goes now. I have insurance now, but I am also in a position where I can pay for it.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Obama will love his country if he wins.
If he loses, that’s another story. He’ll have to go to the polls to decide whether he has a future in politics to decide if he’ll still love his country.
Posted by: JA | September 7, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
So Obama isn’t a patriot because he doens’t wear a flag pin in his lapel?
News flash-wearing a flag pin in your lapel doesn’t make you a patriot any more than walking into a garage makes you a car!
My favorite definition of patriotism comes from Mark Twain: “A patriot supports his country at all times, and his government when it deserves it.” Amen, Mr. Twain.
Posted by: Traci | September 7, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
What Americans should be asking if they want someone who is displaying the beginning symptoms of Age Related Dimentia.
Posted by: Alex | September 7, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Obama voted 85% of the time as Bush on war issues….didn’t support the war because HE COULDN’T VOTE AT THE TIME. He would have friggin voted present anyway, we all know that.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Grace, So your idea of being “fair” is for me to pay for your health insurance? I would rather use my hard earned money to save up for a potential disaster like the one you describe. Or, if you have a home, I assume you can afford health insurance. If rent and cannot afford insurance, you can go into any free clinic or hospital and get the health care you need there. Truth is, the issue is not people getting access to health care, everyone in America has access to health care. Remember Hillary’s bogus story about the lady who died because they had to medivac her to another facility because she did not have any health insurance? You guys can’t even come up with any true examples of people going without health care. You Dems are just a bunch of liars who want to take food out of my childs mouth to pay for a big boon doogle government welfare program that will make health care worse and less affordable, not better.
Posted by: gerry | September 7, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
All this talk I’m looking at here about Love of country or non Love of country. How that the Dems. nominee is or is not for His country. If We the People elect the Reps. back into the higest Office of our land after knowing he has voted with BUSH 90% of the time. Did he vote with the Pres. on taking away our constitutional rights? Our Liberties? All under the delusion of “What’s Best for the Americain people ‘that we love’”. As my nephew used to say “BULL MANURE”. What does this destorying of our rights have to say? I haven’t heard any response form you McBushers on that subject! All you’ve hammered on is somebody that just bring back our rights and liberties. Plus our pride in of self and Nation….
Posted by: mannaw | September 7, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
I prefer someone with enough tenacity to dare to ask if his country is off course or not, rather than a nut who professes patriotism even in the face of it turning into a facisit state and then still pretending everything is the same as it was 40 years ago. Phoney patriotism is not a good quality.
Posted by: eyeonyour | September 7, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
To those hilary supporters who are ready to jump ship and vote for Mccain you will be sorry he is already sounding more and more like obama
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Timothy you do realize that the above statement wasn’t exactly edifying of your own candidate? Like I said the problem with Obama is the Obamabots. With supporters like you guys who needs opposition? You say that the RNC is putting fear into their base for Obama. You guys are doing a good job of that all on your own. So much that the supposed RNC base actually has some DEMS like Lieberman in it now.
Hey DNC!!! GOT BASE??????
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Clearly anyone still talking about a stupid flag pin isn’t exactly trying to reach for the “smart” folks. (lol) Can somebody tell these idiots to start talking about economy, education, employment, etc. Seriously..a flag pin?
Posted by: Dems | September 7, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
JA, the McCain proposed health care credit is $5,000. My individual premium cost annually is $6,000, and I am a young single woman with absolutely no expenses or preconditions. Something tells me that that deal won’t look so good 10, 20 or 30 years from now, when my health changes.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
gerry..hate to tell you but you already pay for other people’s health insurance. You pay for medicare, medicaid, and your high premiums are to cover people who don’t have insurance.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Palin doesn’t speak like a VP. IS SHE REALLY READY FOR THE JOB?????
I DOUBT IT 100% .
Posted by: I.A.T smith | September 7, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Mary, I didn’t call you names, and those black helicopters hovering over you are not from the UN. I am a former McCain supporter who can’t believe how he has changed in the last few years. He should have given the cold shoulder to the ‘religious’ right and been a TRUE maverick to break this country free from fundamentalist ideology. Instead he caved in, drank the Kool-aid and picked a VP who could not be more of a fundamentalist. Single issue voters (read:’religious’right) will be the downfall of this country. Of course they won’t care because while we will be (and practicaly are now after 8 years of W) owned by China, weaker than Russia and at outsmarted by India, at least we’ll have prayer in the schools, creationism in the textbooks and abortion will be banned in all cases including rape incest and the life of the mother. Kind of like a Christian Saudi Arabia without the oil. I cannot and will not feed that monster by voting for McCain.
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Why between the two ABC blogs…Political Punch and Political Radar they have several headlines from the ABC George interview this AM (I didn’t see) and no headline of the “MUSLIM FAITH” gaffe? What the?
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Dave…this mary agrees with you 100%.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
to jellybelly: you write so matter of factly .i like john Mcain but i will not vote for the same old washington politics as usual and one question did you see either convention what inclusion did you see. YOU must of had your blinders on if you saw inclusion at the republican convention forgive me that pretty photo opt of palin and mccain at the convention is not inclusion but division.
Posted by: timothy sanders | September 7, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Was McCain wearing a flag lapel pin when he spoke last week at the convention? I don’t recall that he was. So he doesn’t love his country either.
Posted by: kat | September 7, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
So your idea of being “fair” is for me to pay for your health insurance? I would rather use my hard earned money to save up for a potential disaster like the one you describe. Or, if you have a home, I assume you can afford health insurance. If rent and cannot afford insurance, you can go into any free clinic or hospital and get the health care you need there.
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Do you know this in theory only, Gary? Because it’s not true. If you have any sort of assets at all, you will not be able to get free healthcare. If you have bought a house and you can make those mortgage payments but not healthcare, then you get breast cancer — you’re toast, there goes your home.
You shouldn’t have to choose between your health and a roof over your head, or your health and your retirement. I’m willing to give up some of my hard-earned cash to make sure that the woman down the road can keep her house and get a mastectomy.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
The Republican Party adopted its platform during its convention this week that calls for a ban on abortion. The ban has no exceptions for rape or incest or to protect the life of the woman.
Posted by: wolfpack777 | September 7, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Debra…We all know that Obama is a Christian. My question to you is why do you hate Muslims? This country was founded on the premise that you can be whatever religion you want to be or you can be no religion at all. There are many good American citizens who happen to be Muslim. I think you do them a huge disservice. This is their country too.
Posted by: Marika | September 7, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
wait, this old meme? I thought this had come and gone. Heck, wasn’t it asked during the PA primary debate?
Also, I am confused as to how “questioning whether or not he really loves his country” does _not_ qualify as questioning his patriotism. Isn’t the former term a definition of the latter?
Posted by: Soup | September 7, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
There is nothing that makes me madder than these self righteous Republicans who presume to tell someone else they are not patriotic or they don’t love this country. Who the hell promoted any of these idiots to god status one who can read anothers mind and soul.
Posted by: ronnieraygun | September 7, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
JA: “The population of NZ is about 3.9 million. So let’s not compare it to the US when it comes to total cost. It’s kind of stupid, don’t you agree?”
JA: that is why the term “per capita” was ‘invented’.
You found it, didn’t you? And you found that per capita, NZ pays far more less with far better results. Didn’t you? You just won’t admit it.
And one more lesson for you: the smaller the population, the more they have to pay for fixed overhead costs. When the population pool is large, fixed overhead costs are spread over more people, resulting in lower overhead costs per capita.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Just got a call from my sister in law in Wisconsin, She saw the McCain speech and has now changed her mind to McCain. She felt bad about not being DNC loyal but said that Palin situation more closely mirrors her own and with McCain being for the troops and so much Military experience (she served in the reserves) she is going McCain.
Her quote “Obama is looking tired and slipping all over himself. He can’t keep a story straight”
She also brought up Ayers and his self serving DNC speech. I never saw the Ayers anti Obama ad. She said it was on Fox news and made her think that Obama just has too many unknown qualities and “sketch” associations.
I told her you know how I have felt about Obuma all along. I say principles before party, race etc.. I feel that you should vote for the PERSON that you feel will do the best job and for me that is John McCain. We talked about the policies and were just like Obama is so flaky in Illinois and has these criminals as associates who even knows if he is not one or means what he says plus he flips flops all over the place.
There is nothing consistent at all about Obama except he is for Change. My other relatives are in Minnesota, Ohio, Texas, I am going to see whats up.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
to samamntha ; No man or woman knows the hour of time of their death . The republicans sure will try and tell their base through fear of death we can stop it, get out. ask why. not how. Liberman is nothing but a split voter. Just like he jump ship so will other republicans and we welcome you . your eyes have not been open please don,t close them . Some people don,t like change until something affects them negatively and for a lot of americans flag waving or not we have been affected negatively by 8 years of bush/cheny domestic and foriegn policy blunders. Some of us are bleeding sam.
Posted by: timothy sanders | September 7, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Grace, If you want to pay for the lady down the street to get health insurance, go right ahead. Again, I do not want to be forced by government fiat to hand over my hard earned money to some government bureaucrat who will have the power of life and death over me. A government run health care system = Rationed health care = higher costs = poor health care. A government run health care system will allow some government bureaucrat to have the power to deny a mastectomy to your lady friend down the block.
Posted by: gary | September 7, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
mary: “Fact: Obama did say: “my Muslim religion” deal with it. ”
OOOOOOH, you said “my Muslim religion”
Now YOU are a Muslim too!!!!!
Fact: Mary did write “my Muslim religion” deal with it.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Nice try Samantha. (Don’t forget your cousin in PA, another important swing state) How much are you paid to do this? I could use some extra $$$ but don’t do ‘phony’ very well. My advice to you would be to break up your posts so that they don’t sound like campaign press releases.
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
to debra: You don,t get it damn hes smart thanx to the current administration foreign policy blunders its not safe to fly around the world waving the american flag you might get yourself killed even if you come in peace. Why do you thing bush,cheney and condi always go to iraq and its a surprise to the troops and the american people that they even left the country.
Posted by: timothy sanders | September 7, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
dave, you wish. If you were truly concerned you would ask for more info so you could brainwash her. I am laughing so hard. You guys really think that your BASE is solid. which is why you will lose. And yes as someone who has gone to grad school in MA, CN, grew up in IL Lived in CA…I know people and I have relatives all over.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
And Who Wasn’t born in the U.S.ofA.? Oh yeah! McCain!
Posted by: mannaw | September 7, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Debra – Please define “true blue American” from your previous post. Thanks
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
I guess under the stylish glasses and perky speeches Palin is just a typical politician after all.
Newsweek:
“Palin has given jobs to friends and appointed lobbyists to oversee industries they used to represent. There’s nothing illegal about it—that’s business as usual in politics. But part of Palin’s appeal is that she markets herself as a reformer who fights against cronyism, when in fact her record shows her to be, in many ways, a typical politician who rewards her friends and punishes her enemies.”
Posted by: mark | September 7, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Good thing a Republican in Denver had the good sense to collect all the flags from the Greek rock concert/Obama speech week before last…..THAT WERE IN THE TRASH, DESPITE AXLEROD SAYING THEY WERE STOLEN! Boy Scouts and Vets collected them and handed them out in Colorado yesterday at McCain rally…20,000 of them from the trash. Camp Obama can spin it any way they want…..they didn’t have recycle bins out for these flags, and I’m glad the rally yesterday looked so beautiful with all those waving flags. They were told to take them HOME or leave behind and they would be distributed to different memorials by Republicans.
Way to go….McCAIN/PALIN
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
debra…once again you’re peddling falsehoods. The story about the American flags being in the trash is totally untrue. They were, in fact, taken without authorization. Apparently the Republicans did a similar thing in 2004. They truly are childish.
Posted by: Maura | September 7, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Inhofe? Isn’t he that rightwing neanderthal who is pro-global warming???
When the GOP had the Senate, he was head of the environment committee, and spent all of his timing trying to destroy the earth.
Rightwing criminal thug, Inhofe.
No surprise there.
Posted by: jj | September 7, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Mark….wow, lefty lib Newsweek said something like that….wow. I’ll take TIME over Newsweek.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
I Have to agree she tipped her hand with that whopper, Samantha is definitely a Republican plant. McCain is FOR THE TROOPS?! LOL!! He voted AGAINST the GI Bill because it might encourage the troops to to leave the service and collect their well deserved benefits. Yeah, he’s for the troops all right, he’s for them staying in for 100 years.
Posted by: mila | September 7, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
gary: “A government run health care system = Rationed health care = higher costs = poor health care.”
This is just plain stupid. None of these ‘equations’ are true.
The CURRENT system of health care is RATIONING health care: 47 Million of people are uninsured. That’s rationing healthcare in it’s purest form.
And because you have rationed healthcare to a smaller portion of the population, you are now forced to provide Emergency care to the ones who are not insured. Emergency-care is on average FOUR times more expensive than (preventative) Health-care.
And that leads to poor healthcare.
FYI: Emergency care is NOT healthcare; it’s SICKcare. There is a fundamental diffenrence.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Sorry Maura, saw the TRASH bags full of flags on a website….didn’t look like recycle bins to me. Glad the Republicans love our flag and know how to treat it. Don’t bother spinning it….Axlerod didn’t think on this one…they were too busy partying at the concert.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
2nd request
Debra – Please define what a “true blue American” is. (from your previous post)
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Debra: Oh that Carl Cameron Story again.
Bwaaahaaahahaaaaa.
Republicans are so proud of their American flag, they even use it to fabricate underwear from it.
That’s the quickest way to soil and stain and desecrate the flag.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Anyone who would throw 12,000 new flags in the trash shouldn’t be commander in chief and probably doesn’t love our country.
Posted by: Janet | September 7, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Samantha, you’re great…I am so sorry you catch flak from fellow African Americans. You are in the minority (no pun intended) as I’m sure you know the black support for BO is 98%. Didn’ see any blacks at the Rep Convention (maybe 5 courageous souls).
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Hi Saddlesablazing, welcome to the blog. Sometimes things get childish, apparently.
And I agree with you that there’s way too much emphasis on religion in this campaign.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Obama is patriotic. McCain is patriotic. They just have very different views. The flag thing was, like just about everything else in this campaign, a rumor. The Fox reporter apologized. Obama is not a Muslim. He grew up in a secular household with a Muslin step-father. That’s it – no drama there. He was baptized as an adult. The slip of the tongue in the interview (“Muslin faith…”) was a slip of a tongue. Nothing more, nothing less. These guys have been campaigning endlessly and McCain’s had his share of slips as well.The right to vote is a sacred responsibility, people. Take it seriously. Check out McCain’s positions and Obama’s positions and then see where you stand. Whatever you choose, do vote.
Posted by: Wiscon108 | September 7, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
debra…I saw the flags too. They were neatly rolled up and in bags. Didn’t know they were supposed to be in special “recycle bins”. You are unbelievable!
Posted by: Maura | September 7, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Dave….SOMEONE WHO PUTS THEIR COUNTRY BEFORE THEIR EGO.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Please advise on the patriotic way to store and transport thousands of tiny American flags. I was not aware that “rolling the flag carefully around the pole, then bundling and putting in sacks” would be so hideously unacceptable.
I mean, people are aware that garbage bags are sometimes used to cheaply transport bulk goods from location to location, right?
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Maura, not the website I saw them on…they were in TRASH bags in no rolled up order…..they were thrown in with TRASH. Wierd way to recycle for the Dems, who didn’t think this one through….so be glad the Republicans did their share it SAVING them and sending them HOME with the CROWD or were told to leave behind so they could be DISTRIBUTED to MEMORIAL SITES.
WAY TO GO McCAIN CAMPAIGN.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Rick Davis, McCain’s campaign manager, told Fox News today that Palin wouldn’t subject herself to any tough questions from reporters…
Davis shrugged off the criticism and said Palin would do interviews, “When we think it’s time and when she feels comfortable doing it.”
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I.E. WE’LL WAIT UNTIL WE CAN FIND SOMEONE TO PITCH SOFTBALLS AND ASK ONLY PRE-SCREENED QUESTIONS. GIVE US A CHANCE TO PREPARE HER TO SPIN HER ACTUAL POLICY DECISIONS.
SHE’S A HOCKEY MOM YA KNOW. IT’S JUST NOT FAIR TO ASK A POTENTIAL VICE PRESIDENT -THE SECOND MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN OUR COUNTRY – TOUGH QUESTIONS.
BESIDES, SHE IS JUST A “SMALL TOWN MAYOR” WITH REDICULOUSLY RIGHT WING VIEWS. IT’S BETTER IF WE JUST LET HER READ THE SPEECHES OUR BUSH SPEECH WRITERS PREPARED FOR HER. WE KNOW MANY IN THE U.S. WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING IF WE JUST PUT A FLAG BEHIND HER.
Yah, that’s the change we need, right?
Posted by: Can't believe the guliblity | September 7, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Debra: “saw the TRASH bags full of flags on a website”
On a Rightwinger site?
And they had pictures?
And it’s SOOOOOO hard to make pictures of flags in a trash bag and claim the ‘Dems’ did it.
Rightwingers are totally incapable of stealing a bunch of flags, put them in a trash bag and make pictures of it and then claim the ‘Dems’ did it.
It would be TOTALLY inconceivable that Rightwingers could even THINK of such a thing. Carl Cameron is SUCH a standardbearer of unbiased reporting.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Don’t you love the way Rove and the neo-cons use wedge issues to divide us?
They don’t want us to be just Americans.
Why? What is THEIR agenda?
Posted by: Gus | September 7, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Interesting Jim for a Dem you’re watching FOX the #1 rated cable news for years….why? BECAUSE THEY ARE FAIR AND BALANCED AND RIGHT OF CENTER, NOT LIKE IN THE TANK CNN OR MSNBC.
Why would a Dem watch Fox, they all hate it so much?
Glad Gov. Palin is going with Gibson. EVERYONE wanted that interview, and I didn’t want Couric to get it. She was horrible with Hillary during primaries and embarassed herself.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Debra, you know you are using the exact same propaganda tactics the Nazi’s used before 1933. Don’t you?
Are you proud of yourself?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Can you trust a candidate who took 20 years (and after the story was leaked) to distant himself from the pastor who hated Americans more than anyone in this world? Wakeup, liberal Dem and Americans.
Posted by: stock_craft | September 7, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
“Why would a Dem watch Fox, they all hate it so much?”
Fox News has the most balanced viewership of any news source; 39% Rep, and 33% Dem.
Present company excluded, of course.
Posted by: drjohn | September 7, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Hey Debbie..who says I’m a Dem I am an registerd Independent. Hillary was treated badly and their are lots of different people with lots of different opinions in this country. If you want to “box” something up try your narrow views of people.
Posted by: Jim | September 7, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
McCain: Here is how much he loves the vets….Veteran and military bills since 2002. 25 bills. 4 yes votes, 10 no votes, 11 missed votes. Irag and Afghanistan rate him a D. Disabled Vets give him a 20% and Viet Nam Vets..15 no votes on key items.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
This whole flag thing’s actually gotten pretty hilarious.
So the Republicans claim they “rescued” flags… carefully bundled flags, that look from the photos like they are intended for reuse. And now they’re screaming about how they were going to be thrown out in the trash.
Well, I hope the party is ready to start renting some serious warehouse space, because this is evidently the “right” way to dispose of an American flag, according to the Flag code
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Good to know FOX IS TRIPLE THE RATINGS OF THE OTHER TWO….AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Carl Cameron *fabricated* Kerry-quotes in the 2004 election. FOX-news had to retract the story after they were caught.
The said it was a ‘just a joke’
It’s election time again and Carl Cameron has another story. About flags this time.
FOX news apparently is a Comedy-chanel.
I guess you guys all wear brownshirts and wear your flags as underwear.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Debra: “FOX IS TRIPLE THE RATINGS OF THE OTHER TWO….AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.”
So was Goebbels
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Debra,
Thanks. For years I voted democrat. My mother raised me that way. I hated Carter and thought he was awful. Then the following candidates Mondale and Dukakis were terrible. I did not want to vote for Dukakis or Bush. Clinton was someone I believed in I voted for him twice and felt good about my vote.
I also felt great about Al Gore and that election was a fiasco.
The following election was where the dems started losing me. Kerry was an awful candidate. I did not understand why the DNC could not get someone stronger, and I NEVER trusted Edwards. I was NOT SHOCKED at all when the affair came out. I thought that Hillary should have run then but I knew she had just taken a senate seat and needed to do right by NY (unlike Obama and IL).
When Kerry lost I though okay Hillary will be all good for 2008. Then my own senator, this empty suit comes along and gets nominated. You know I was through at this point. I am tired of voting for DNC nominees that I don’t believe in. While I never voted RNC before I like McCain, and always did. I like Huckabee too.
I took at look at myself and thought, that I was mostly influenced to vote DNC because of my family and the parties strong connection to Blacks during the 70′s until now. I also did not like the African American bas members I knew who were calling Hillary a racist. it was unfair and frankly racist.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Fearmongering Republicans are NOT patriotic because Bush has flushed this country down the crap hole and left us with enough debt for the next two generations… when you idiots vote for Mccane I trust you can accpet all the economic suffering to come while he chooses one of his seven houses to relax in with all his republican cronies who continue to maintain the rich 2% status quo while the middle class continues to suffer… The Rev Wright and Ayers is soo damn tired.. try Palins husband wanting Alaska to be independent… your hypocrisy is phenomenal… we are STUPID, STUPID, STUPID… Mccane shovels the bullshit and you idiots swallow it like mindless fools… Country first… nah.. just spin the bullshit an watch how dumb they are.. I just need to do like Rove and Say anything… they are stupid and would believe it… FACTS people, just the facts.. YES THERE ARE WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION.. mY HEART pains as the loss of life for an Idiot and all the fools who STILL gonna follow him… McSame, Palin, what a load of crap… They know we are stupid, stupid, so they got a shot no matter what… heaven help us in November…
Posted by: JohnF | September 7, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Grace why would you put flags to be used again in trash bags with cups/food/garbage? What makes you think they were in recycle bags…I saw the bags with my own eyes. Dems are just back peddling now because they DIDN’T THINK TO RECYCLE….THEY LOVE TO FLUSH MONEY DOWN THE TOILET WITH THE ROCK STAR PROPS/CAMPAIGN.
Just live Gov. Palin said….they sent the styrofoam colums back to Hollywood lot….they should have thought of what to do with all their flags before the Boy Scouts and Vets gathered up the flags.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Willem van Oranje, Do you want to force US citizens to pay for the health insurance of 20 to 30 million illegal aliens? Obama does. As to the 47 million figure you quote, about half include illegal aliens and another large percentage include people in between jobs and another large percentage include young people who can afford health care insurance and choose not to buy it. So when that is all added up, the 47 million number is reduced by 80%. So in your world view we should turn our health care system upside down with a government take over to insure that at most, 10 million people get insurance?
There is a much better solution and McCain has the answer. Give every family a direct refundable tax credit to make health care affordable. Again, I do not want health care provided by government fiat so some bureaucrat can sit on high, under Lord Obama’s direction, making life and death decisions over my life.
A government run health care system = rationed health care = poor or no health care = high cost due to a top heavy bureaucracy filled with red tape, corruption and incompetence.
Posted by: gary | September 7, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Stock craft
Rev Wright served in Vietnam on the frontlines just like McCain who only flew over Vietnam.
Now you have two of McCain`s spiritual guides who will not serve America but rather spew hatred against fellow Americans. I`d chose Rev Wright over these two.
Posted by: Krista | September 7, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
“This whole flag thing’s actually gotten pretty hilarious.”
I agree Grace. Unfortunately, when someone doesn’t have knowledge of or care about the issues, the flag is used as a weapon. How anyone thinks that wearing a pin or waving a flag has anything to with patriotism is beyond me.
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Gary
Government runs healthcare in England. It is one of the best.
Posted by: Keith | September 7, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
“I saw the bags with my own eyes”
No you didn’t. You saw pictures.
Fabricated pictures.
Just like the pictures of WMD’s in Iraq.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
DNC spokeswoman Karen Finney issues a statement: “American flags were proudly waved by the 75,000 people who joined Barack Obama at the Democratic Convention. John McCain should applaud that, but instead his supporters wrongfully took leftover bundles of our flags from the stadium to play a cheap political stunt calling into question our patriotism. On the same day he agrees to join Barack Obama at Ground Zero on September 11, John McCain attacks the patriotism of Obama supporters who so proudly waved the American flag at our historic event in Denver just days ago.”
UPDATE II: Another statement from the Democratic National Convention Committee: “Stories circulating about flags at the Democratic National Convention are false. We distributed more than 125,000 American made flags at the Convention – the flags removed from Invesco field were intended for other events and taken without permission. It’s disappointing that someone would take American flags without authorization and then falsely describe how they were being used. We have the utmost respect for the American flag, and it’s sad to see them being used for a cheap political stunt.”
Posted by: Peggy | September 7, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Senator Jim Inhofe don’t worry about Senator Obama’s patriotism which in his heart, with the Christian way he conducts himself by not going on the attack the way you just did. Also by traveling across America for the past 19 months Obama knows more about American patriotism then you or Rove.
Posted by: John Jr. | September 7, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Sarah Palin became a first term mayor of Wasilla with 616 votes.
616.
Yes, indeed. You heard that right.
616.
Ha.
Hahaha.
616.
Hahahahahahaha.
616…
Woohaha.
Posted by: trent | September 7, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
McCain “loves his country”, just not it’s veterans! He’s all for using the military to bomb other countries, but he obviously could care less about those who have to do it.
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-McCain voted against an Amendment to establish a $1 billion trust fund to provide improvements to health facilities that treat veterans and military personnel paid for by allowing dividends and capital gains tax breaks, for those with incomes greater than $1 million to lapse in 2006.
-McCain Chooses Corporations Over Veterans, Voting Against Adding $1.5 billion to Veterans’ Medical Services in 2007 Budget by Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes.
-McCain Voted Against Mandatory Funding of $6.9 Billion in 2007 Budget and $104 Billion Over Five Years for Veterans” Health Care.
Posted by: Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran | September 7, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Government run health care in GB is horrible and I have family there, as well as in Canada. They would love to have our health care and freedom to choose doctors. When visiting here, my grandma needed attention and said it was superior to the treatment she got in Canada.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
You McCain supporters are trying so hard to defend his poor judgment in his VP pick. Am sorry but nobody is buying your spin.
If you think American`s will reward republicans for a poor work done over the last 8 years then you are definitely on Kool Aide.
8 is enough. I love America.
Posted by: Kenny | September 7, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Debra, you are confusing two different things.
There are photographs of tons of American flags neatly rolled and tucked into industrial black bin bags. These were clearly for reuse, and these are the ones the Republicans snagged.
You’re also seeing photos of trash bags from within the field, where a few flags are in with a bunch of actual garbage. To fish out that flag, covered with soda and nacho cheese and who knows what, was not what the Republicans did. I guarantee you similar minimal flag-trashing happened at the Republican convention, because that is what happens during events.
And when all is said and done, if you are so intellectually incurious as to hang your vote on how a delegate from Oregon treated the 10 cent flag he accidentally spilt orange juice on — well, you deserve what you get. What is it with people and symbols.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
While we are on the subject of flags, did you know that the flag of Nepal is the ONLY national flag that is not rectangular?
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Debra
Dont lie. I have family in GB and Canada who think their health care is excellent. In GB you sometimes have doctors visiting you at home. That is how good it is.
Dont lie just to defend McCains poor judgment on healthcare.
Posted by: Ron | September 7, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
I SAW “FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE” ONCE ON CABLE.
BY GOP SPIN STANDARDS, I GUESS I HAVE “INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE”.
Too funny!
Posted by: Ask Carl Rove | September 7, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Some obama supporters are now parroting talking points that the DNC did not throw 12,000 US flags in the trash. They claim the GOP stole them. Did they file a police report? huh? LIARS! we all saw the flags in trash bags.
Posted by: geevill | September 7, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
McCain will lose. Americans are not stupid enough to give republicans another 4 years. Thats a wish.
Posted by: Keith | September 7, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
I was shocked.. shocked.. to see McCain NOT wearing a flag pin!!
This is proof he is not American enough!
(right cons? is that how we’re really to judge patriotism?)
or is this just another Rove wedge issue to divide us?
humm…
Posted by: Gus | September 7, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
gary: “Do you want to force US citizens to pay for the health insurance of 20 to 30 million illegal aliens?”
You already ARE paying for healthcare for illegal aliens. Four times more expensive care than necessary.
And these ‘illegal aliens’ are paying for YOUR healthcare through their jobs.
Just pulling numbers out of your a$$ and inflating them to 200% is not going to change that fact.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Samantha you are brilliant, and the Dems better not come to my door either or I’ll keep my pepper spray close by. I happen to be and Independent, who usually votes Rep, but voted Clinton, and Gore….I am unusual to say the least, not being a party loyalist. However, interesting 50% of Americans do vote on EMOTIONS and not platform….how many promises actually come to fruition. I don’t want the pony Obama is promising and TAX HIKES IN THIS SOFT ECONOMY THAT OBAMA WOULD DO WOULD WORSEN OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATION!
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Obama was in Germany telling the roaring crowds that all the worlds problems are because of Americans
Posted by: scamp | September 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
According to McCain`s logic if i live in Buffalo which is close to Canada then i have foreign policy experience.(Palin and Alaska close to Russia).
Wow!! What kind of president will McCain be?
Posted by: Krista | September 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
KENNY,
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public. Carl Rove doesn’t!
Many Ameicans are extremely gulible. They’ll believe the party who created our curent mess are the ones who will to change it – just as long as they play the National Anthem while hey say it.
Posted by: Don't Underestimate Stupidity | September 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
I’d love to see how many posters here have actually been PART of a government-run healthcare system. As I said, England and New Zealand treated me pretty well, though on different levels bureaucratically.
People seem to be wilfully ignoring this fact: government healthcare does not mean the abolition of PRIVATE healthcare. You still want to go private? Good on you, off you go. No, you don’t get your NHS taxes back, but what’s because you’re choosing to amp up your coverage. NHS is basic health care, though I does cater for all ailments.
Sure, people carp about it. They also whinge about the BBC license fee, because they have NO IDEA how awful and biased media coverage is in countries that don’t have the BBC to set a neutral standard. People whine about absolutely everything if given the chance, and you’ll never find everyone happy at once.
Yes, you’ll probably hear how good the US private system is. Should be, it’s costing an arm and a leg. The point is, basic health care SHOULD be provided, and the best way to ensure that everyone who needs to get covered pays up is to do it through government taxation.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
America is still waiting for Palin to answer seriouse questions about her patriotism(Alaskan separatist), Trooper Gate, her ignorant sermon about God wanting America to attack Iraq and other extremist positions.
We are waiting.
Posted by: Krista | September 7, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
“industrial black bin bags”, fancy words. Coulda just said “garbage bags”.
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I could have, Concerned, but we were talking about two different photos. In one, it’s clear medium-sized garbage liners. In the other, it’s… industrial black bin bags.
See, words can be used to highlight differences between objects. In fact, I think that’s why most words were invented.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
McCain wants the insurance companies to stand between you and your health.
Posted by: Ron | September 7, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Hitler used two slogans to brainwash his rabble into following his lead:
Blut & Boden – “Blood and Soil”
Land Erster – “Country First”
McCain is a nice enough guy on the surface, but clearly the RNC has adopted Nazi tactics.
After Hitler was elected, he started various unjustified wars, and 4 years later, Germany lay in collossal defeat.
History will repeat itself, if we only give McCain’s party the chance.
Posted by: clifton | September 7, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
“GOP Senator Jim Inhofe on Obama: “Do You Really Want to Have a Guy as Commander in Chief When You Can Question Whether or Not He Really Loves His Country?”"
Different day, different Republi-con, SAME RACIST RACE-BAITING using ‘code words’!
Do McCaint-Bush-Inhofe really love Americans when they continue to destroy America lives BOTH at home and abroad, IN IRAQ?
Can anyone name anything of constructive/consequence that McCaint-bush-Republicons have created for Americans in the past 8 years?
But every awake American is aware of McCaint-bush-Republicon:
911
Afghanistan-Pakistan
Iraq
Georgia-Russia conflict incited by bush-McCaint
Hurricane Katrina
Depleted US economy
Job losses
Housing crisis
Record budget deficit
Wasting of Clinton budget surplus
Etc, etc
This time around, Americans are AWAKE to the B S of Republi-cons, who have been destroying every aspect of American life for the past 8 years!
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
McCAIN DOESN’T HAVE TO WEAR A FLAG PIN…FILM OF HIM COMING OFF PLANE, WALING DOWN THE RAMP AND SALUTING WITH A BROKEN AND BATTERED BODY AFTER 5 1/2 YEARS OF TORTURE, RETURNING TO U.S. IS ENOUGH FOR ME, AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS….This man’s life story is amazing and I saw it again today in a one hour bio. Obama’s bio was empty and only raised more questions about what he did in the early 80′s when he was living on the street and doing “blow” as he refers to it. His druggie friends would not be interviewed and two Pakistani friends from college would not be interviewed either. WHO WILL ATTEST TO THIS GUYS CHARACTER EXCEPT INDONESIAN HALF SISTER WHO ONLY LIVED WITH HIM A SHORT TIME, AND MICHELLE? Rev. Jeri Wright? Ayers? Rezko? Anybody?
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Debra
Rev Wright served in Vietnam on the frontlines just like McCain who only flew over Vietnam. Does Rev Wright have to prove his patriotism?
Now you have two of McCain`s spiritual guides who will not serve America but rather spew hatred against fellow Americans. I`d chose Rev Wright over these two.
Posted by: Krista | September 7, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
Krista,
America is still waiting for Obama to answer serious questions about his patriotism and his good buddy Ayers( ” I wish I could have bombed more”), Rezco gate, and his loony racist Pastor Wright (“God D### America) and the question no one has asked Obama: Do you believe in the black liberation theology teachings of the church you belonged to for twenty years?
We are waiting.
Posted by: sandra | September 7, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Debra
when will McCain`s awful VP pick take questions from the press?
Posted by: Kenny | September 7, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
I want to pass along that if you have employer-provided health care, McCain’s ‘health’ plan will tax you on the cost the employer pays on your behalf. For example if your employer pays $2,000 annually to cover you with health insurance and you pay $500 to the company to offset part of the premium, you will have to pay income tax on the difference of $1,500 under his ‘plan.’ Currently, these benefits are not taxable to you. I guess he has to do what he can to fund those tax credits for big oil.
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Sandra
Obama has faced questions on those issues and Americans dont buy your smears. Thats why he continued to win more states even after that.
Now how about Palin? She can run but she cant hide because she is directly involved(she too part) whereas in Obama`s case those people only know him.
Posted by: Krista | September 7, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
The best part of this Palin frenzy was to watch the pro-Obama media go out of control beserk.
It’s a good thing for the world to see how far the media will go to get him elected.
And how funny now the Obama camp/media has dropped saying Palin isn’t experienced enough. They realize now she is more qualified than he is.
Their only hope is to trash her.
I’m still waiting for the MSM to vet Obama. How about the Obama/ACORN connection?
Posted by: harry | September 7, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Krista, McVeigh was a Gulf war veteran, Does that make him a patriot?
Posted by: sandra | September 7, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
When is Obama going to answer questions about his mentor Frank Davis?
And why he chose to launch his career in the house of a domestic terrorist.
What a patriot…
Posted by: riley | September 7, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
There has been another time were nationalists were questioning the patriotism of fellow countrymen and asked them if they loved the Heimat enough. They also were deeply in love with their flag. The more the better. With lots and lots of lapel pins on their clothes.
They also wondered if that ‘other’ religion was the ‘correct’ religion.
It was also a time where the country was in a huge recession with rampant inflation.
It was not a happy time. And it only got worse.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Debra LOUDLY says: “McCAIN DOESN’T HAVE TO WEAR A FLAG PIN…FILM OF HIM COMING OFF PLANE, WALING DOWN THE RAMP AND SALUTING WITH A BROKEN AND BATTERED BODY AFTER 5 1/2 YEARS OF TORTURE, RETURNING TO U.S. IS ENOUGH FOR ME, AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS..”
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If that were him today, that soldier would have to fight for his healthcare because what was good enough for McCain is apparantly not good enough for today’s vets per Mccain’s horrible voting record against Vets.
On at least 10 occasions since 2003, John McCain has voted against funding of increased healthcare benefits for veterans returning from Iraq or Afghanistan. Here are some of the key votes:
• In 2005 McCain opposed an amendment that would have provided an additional $2.8 billion for veterans medical care.
• In 2006 McCain opposed a plan to add $1.5 billion to veterans programs with money used by closing some corporate tax loopholes.
• In 2006 McCain opposed a plan that would automatically increase funding for veterans health programs by indexing the appropriations to inflation. The bill would have automatically indexed spending to rise or fall depending on the number of veterans.
• In 2005 McCain voted against a measure that would have targeted $500 million for veterans mental health programs.
• In 2006 McCain opposed an amendment that would have added $430 million for veterans outpatient services.
Posted by: Peggy | September 7, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Obama has said America’s best days are behind her.
McCain has said America’s best days are ahead.
That says it all.
I’ll vote for the hope and proven change of McCain/Palin. They’ll always put America first and will work on behalf of all Americans regardless of party. These two will go in and clean up the corruption of Washington politics!
Posted by: marylou | September 7, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
I’ve heard it said that the only foreign experience Obama has is the two times he visited IHOP.
To me, there is NO comparison or choice:
The VP nominee on the Republican ticket trumphs the presidential nominee of the Democratic ticket.
Posted by: New Englander | September 7, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Krista, Obama has not “faced” those questions: For example:
You belonged to a church for twenty years whose Pastor, Rev. Wright, preached black liberation theology from the pulpit. Are you a believer in black liberation theology and if not why did you remain in the church if you did not believe in the teachings of the church?
You said that Ayers was “just a guy in my neighborhood” when in fact Ayers hired you in 1995 to chair the Annenberg Challenge whose mission was to improve schools in Chicago. Based on the Annenberg Challenge Final Report it failed. Whose pocket did the 110 million dollars go into from the funds that were allocated to the project, including $60 million dollars in public funds.
Your buddy Rezco helped you buy a house when he was under investigation for corruption. You said that was “bone headed”. Was there ever anything you did to steer public funding to Rezco Slum housing projects in Chicago?
Posted by: gary | September 7, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Samantha says: “I also think that he would buck his party and reach across party lines.”
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Yes, he demonstrated that beautifully when he did not pick his first choice, Leiberman and went with Palin to placate the far, far right wing of the Republican base.
Posted by: Sorry 4 You | September 7, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
Why does Inhofe think Government funded Health Insurance is good enough for him.
But not for you?
Why do YOU have to pay for HIS healtcare, but HE does not have to pay for YOURS?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Marylou -
Obama has said America’s best days are behind her.
McCain has said America’s best days are ahead.
When and where was that said? Please send me the link to the quotes. And if McCain thinks our best days are ahead and Obama does not, why is Obama the one with firm, definitive policies to move us forward?.
Posted by: Peggy | September 7, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
As a person from Oklahoma, I am ashamed of Senator Inhofe for sinking to this level. There are quite a few Oklahomans questioning his patriotism by what he has voted for and who he has voted against during his time in office. If you have questions about it start looking at his record.
The great people of Oklahoma see patriotism as more than just wearing some flag pin.
Shame on the Tulsa World and ABC for making this ridiculous statement newsworthy.
Senator Inhofe should choose his words carefully when representing our great state if he wants to remain in office. We have come a long way in the stereotypes of our state and this is setting us back 25 years.
Posted by: Dee | September 7, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Willem van Oranje, I agree, there are way to many government workers getting free health care on our dime. McCain is right in order to reduce the cost of government we need to do a top down review of all those wasteful government programs and get rid of them. Glad your on board with McCain/Palin
Posted by: gary | September 7, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
It’s clear.
They are in full Attackmode because they know they can’t win on the issues.
That’s why they have to make up ‘facts’ like Flags, or taint current connections with higly respected members of society who have a questionable past. They claim to be Christians for whom forgiveness should be a central tenet of their faith; yet forgiveness is totally absent in their thinking.
These people don’t put Country First; they put Partei first.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Krista, I agree, When will Obama answer the below questions? The voting public has a right to know.
Krista, Obama has not “faced” those questions: For example:
You belonged to a church for twenty years whose Pastor, Rev. Wright, preached black liberation theology from the pulpit. Are you a believer in black liberation theology and if not why did you remain in the church if you did not believe in the teachings of the church?
You said that Ayers was “just a guy in my neighborhood” when in fact Ayers hired you in 1995 to chair the Annenberg Challenge whose mission was to improve schools in Chicago. Based on the Annenberg Challenge Final Report it failed. Whose pocket did the 110 million dollars go into from the funds that were allocated to the project, including $60 million dollars in public funds.
Your buddy Rezco helped you buy a house when he was under investigation for corruption. You said that was “bone headed”. Was there ever anything you did to steer public funding to Rezco Slum housing projects in Chicago?
Posted by: Erin | September 7, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
John McCaint DESERTED his partially incapacitated and OLDER wife, along with HIS CHILDREN, in order to ‘marry up into money’ and down into YOUNGER FLESH.
That is not character in a man.
That is self-centered OPPORTUNISM!
And that is the same selfish and self-centered political opportunism we witness in McCaint as he flip flopped to support 90% of the time, BOTH at home and abroad, the destructive policies of a vision-less and INCOMPETENT and wild bush, who has been ruining America and making the world peace-less for 8 years!
The failures of McCaint-bush we know are innumerable; but can anyone name any constructive accomplishment of McCaint-bush for the past 8 years?
We cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
The old self-absorbed opportunists, McCaint, CANNOT change his selfish ways!
America needs a Natural Born Leader of INTELLECT, VISION & JUDGMENT.
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
If the media had discovered that Michelle Obama was a member of a secessionist party (a fact about Palin’s husband accepted by the McCain campaign) republicans would be frothing at the mouth. Because he’s married to a republican it’s all fine and dandy. This guy was on stage at the RNC being whooped and cheered, a guy who for several years thought it would be better NOT to be a part of the union. And republicans complain because Michelle Obama said she hadn’t been proud of her country – at least she recognised it as being her country, not a political arrangement she wanted nothing to do it. Talk about patriotism!
Posted by: Jack | September 7, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Just a quick question about Palin and abortion, if she is anti-abortion because human rights begin at the time of conception, is she anti in-vitro fertilization too?
Posted by: Deidre | September 7, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
gary: why do you have to cloud your language in vague terms like ‘wasteful government programs’?
Why don’t you be blunt and say it like it is?
McCain wants to get rid of Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, SCHIP.
Admit it.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Partial birth abortions.
How can Obama reconcile his support for this procedure with his religion…regardless whether he’s Christian, Muslim, whatever?
Posted by: New Englander | September 7, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
If you think this is a fair line of attack then you should be aware that Senator Obama dislikes this country just as much as any Republican. I’m going to vote for Obama because I want Democratically appointed Supreme Court justices. If he loses to McCain, big deal, Hillary can run in four years and we’ll get those appointments.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 7, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Peggy, I’m sure there are reasons why McCain votes as he does in regard to the Vets you bots proclaim, BUT NO ONE questions his brotherhood with Vets and love of service…..DIDN’T SEE ANY VETS IN BO’S AUDIENCE, in McCain acceptance speech VETS EVERYWHERE. There were good reason probably envolving $$ that McCain voted as he did. Didn’t even bother reading your post, as it is hillarous to think BOZO WOULD CARE FOR VETS MORE THAN McCAIN.
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
“Do you really want to have a guy as commander in chief of this country when you can question whether or not he really loves his country?” Huh. I mean he didn’t choose a VP whose husband belongs to an organization that wants to secede from America. Hmm – not wearing flag pin, seceding from the union – which is more unpatriotic. The only thing I don’t get is where is the outrage about this. I guess if you’re a republican, your patriotism can never be questioned.
Posted by: E ross | September 7, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Isn’t Obama supposed to be running against McCain? Why are he and his supporters so obsessed about smearing Palin? Is it because they are panicking over the fact that her selection as McCain’s VP is now causing Obama to fall behind in the Gallup, Rassmussen, Zogby and CBS polls? Where is Biden in all of this?
Posted by: Joe | September 7, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
“Do you really want to have a guy as commander in chief of this country when you can question whether or not he really loves his country?” Huh. I mean he didn’t choose a VP whose husband belongs to an organization that wants to secede from America. Hmm – not wearing flag pin, seceding from the union – which is more unpatriotic. The only thing I don’t get is where is the outrage about this. I guess if you’re a republican, your patriotism can never be questioned.
Posted by: E ross | September 7, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Willem van Oranje
It’s clear.
The Obama kool aide drinkers are in full Attackmode because they know they can’t win on the issues.
That’s why they have to make up ‘facts’ like Palin’s child was really her daugters, or taint current connections with higly respected members of society who believe in christianity. They claim to be tolerant and for women’s equality for whom giving a woman a fair chance at breaking the glass ceiling is a central tenet of their creed; yet fair play is totally absent in their thinking.
These people don’t put Country First; they put Partei first.
Posted by: hugh | September 7, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Peggy, Obama told a 7 year old little girl (In response to why do you want to be prez)….stammering, as always, he said that he wants to see this country be what it used to be, or some inane answer. Google it. He implied that our best days are behind us.
McCain the optomist is for me
Posted by: Debra | September 7, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Debra: “BUT NO ONE questions his brotherhood with Vets and love of service.”
Yes there are. They even are organised: Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
jellybelly…What a joke that is. Palin isn’t qualified to be VP? But in your eyes Obama is qualified to be POTUS. You are a comedian. You lose with that point big time.
Posted by: carolyn | September 7, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Debra- You make me laugh. I thoroughly enjoyed the speeches by Vets at the DNC, the moving tribute and honor of 50+ retired Generals, etc. The difference is, the DNC does not “pimp out” their veterans as they believe they are true Americans not owned by ONE political party as you and McCain would have us believe. That is patriotism at its core.
Posted by: Peggy | September 7, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Anyone who votes for a Republican after what they’ve done to the country, is clearly unpatriotic.
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Debra- If we get 4 more years of Bush with McCain/Palin and that is exactly what we will get – I will agree with Obama 100%.
Posted by: Peggy | September 7, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
To William:
In regards to your comments about Obama being “flippity floppity” on the issues, what about McCain on the issue of the confederate flag. In his own words, he apologetically denounced raising the flag over the S. Carolina Capitol building, when he previously supported it. After divine enlightenment (yeah,right), he changed his mind and declared that his judgement had been a , “sacrifice of principle for personal ambition.” HIS WORDS NOT MINE. Seems this wasn’t an isolated incident, but more of a motis operande!!! Obama flips flops my arse! If he does, he isn’t the only one! GO OBAMA/BIDEN !!!
Posted by: GeorgiaforObama | September 7, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Debra: “He implied that our best days are behind us.”
And you truely believe that the US is currently experiencing the best days in history?
Are you SO out of touch with this world?
Let me guess. You also believe that Bush has done a heck of job. Right?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
If the McCain camp believes they have it bad now wait until the week after next.
A new controversy surrounding her family and their dealings.
Posted by: Vanessa | September 7, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Currently serving military donations have strongly favored Obama actually:
From the AP, 8/15/08, the article begins:
WASHINGTON – U.S. Soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous White House campaigns in which military donations tended to favor Republicans, a nonpartisan group reported Aug. 14.
The article closes:
Among Soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 Soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
Posted by: Danny | September 7, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
On the Rasmussen site today they stated this:
McCain earns the vote from 89% of Republicans while Obama is supported by 81% of Democrats. McCain also manages to attract 15% of Democrats while Obama gets 9% of the Republican vote. Voters not affiliated with either major party remain fairly evenly divided between the two men.
I guess about now Obama and his camp are thinking to themselves that it was a very poor judgement call to offend the women supporters of Hillary Clinton, when they bashed Hillary, during the primary! Oh yes, he’s a really bright guy! He didn’t even realize how important our votes would be in the general election and that we could tip the scales. He should have realized that from the fact that the black voters put him over the top in the primary! He’s a real Einstein! I hope it continues to tip in McCain’s favor and that Obama loses the election to him! I will dance in the streets!
Posted by: Mary Anne | September 7, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Patriot, Thanks to President Bush, we have not been attacked since 9/11. After 9/11 the Nation went into an economic tail spin and thanks to President Bush, the economy recovered. After Katrina the Nation went into an economic tail spin and thanks to President Bush the economy recovered.
Problem is, after two years of the Dems in charge of Congress, the Dems have brought more economic havoc than 9/11 and Katrina combined. Even President Bush cannot help us. Only you can help us by voting out the Dems and voting for McCain/Palin. Be a true Patriot and vote Country first. McCain/Palin 08
Posted by: hugh | September 7, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Debra says “Didn’t even bother reading your post, as it is hillarous to think BOZO WOULD CARE FOR VETS MORE THAN McCAIN.”
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SOme of us research policy and use our minds to make an informed decision.
Posted by: Peggy | September 7, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
McCain ‘loves’ Veterans.
Yes he TRUELY does. He says so in his speeches. Where it doesn’t cost him any money.
Word’s are cheap. McCain’s words aren’t worth the paper it’s written on.
He fought against Web’s GI bill as long and as vehemently as he could.
Until the bitter end. Where he lost and had to surrender. Again.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
So this is what you meant when you say you do advocate positively for your candidate? You can certainly see why I might be a bit confused.
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You are voting for Obama. You are already more than a bit confused. Don’t feel sorry for me. I don’t for you.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
hugh,
Exactly what economic legislation did the Democrats pass that caused “economic havoc”?
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
McCain had to find out in the Media about the conditions in Walter Reed.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
Mary Ann,
Obama is arrogant and cares nothing about anyone but himself. If you look at his interview today it was all about him. He say “me” or I in that interview countless times.
Like I said. The ant and the grasshopper.
Meanwhile I am watching McCain on CNN and the POW tape. Remarkable man.
Soon came November. The DNC base had scattered everywhere. There was no Kool Aid left. The Obamabots were thirsty for CHANGE and began to starve but Obama had no substance to give them. The Obamabots went to the voters they had alienated and called names to ask for help for Obama. The voters replied “You lazy fool Obamabots! The whole summer you danced and sang at the convention and chose the wrong VP not thinking about our party’s future. Go away now, we are voting for McCain/Palin and we can’t help you”.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Mary Anne, you are so right! And don’t forget Donna Brazile who said that they don’t need the old map – they have a new demographic – African Americans, University students, rich Liberals and late-drinking Liberals. They don’t need blue collar working class men and women, Hillary 16 million voters, Reagan Democrats any longer. Last I heard, they now need Ohio, which they said they could win without!
Posted by: Beckie | September 7, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
This is the new Republican strategy now..to question Obama’s love for his country. What did Obama do to show that he did not love his country. Most Americans believe that patriotism is saluting the flag or singing the national anthem while its being played but like Obama I believe that giving back to your country by doing community work,volunteering your services for your community, helping out with after school programs,national service..just doing stuff to help your community without looking for pay..that is the highest form of patriotism..Anyone can put his/her hand on his/her chest during the playing of the anthem and at the same time ripping the community off..Obama is right Patriotism is giving back. The Republican made jokes on community service at their so called convention and have the nerve to call Obama an elitist..a guy who did community service to uplift the Community..Those who laugh at community service are the elitists.. In the Republican convention.. Most of the attendees are rich people and people pretending to be rich who look down on the poor and struggling..no wonder they laughed at the idea of community service. The Republican party is responsible for the economic mess the country is in right now yet they have the nerve to hold up signs in their so called convention that read “COUNTRY FIRST”. $10 billion a month to Keep the troops over in Iraq to fight an unjust war(efforts should have been in Afghanistan) Anyone who believes that there is no connect between the billions spent on the war and the current state of the economy got to be on crack/cocaine or something else equally as desensitizing. Obama is talking about investing in America again and growing the economy..all McCain talks about is war,war, and more war and when he’s tired temporarily he switches to his service in Vietnam..The man is war oriented..we need a leader who is domestic policy oriented and that is Obama. McCain said the other day that he does not know anything about the economy. Its the economy stupid! If America vote McCain into office in November then you get what you deserve..an economy slumping further and a man who is going to pick fights with CHina,Iran, and North Korea. Heaven help us all and save us from the Republicans!
Posted by: Stanley | September 7, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Patriot, The Dems and Obama have refused to drill for more oil, build new refineries or new nuclear power plant greatly contributing to gas prices to sky rocket. The Dems have failed to address any key economic issues such as lowering corporate taxes to stimulate business and create new jobs. The Democrats keep spending spending spending making the deficit go higher and higher. If Obama gets elected the economy will really go south with higher taxes, higher spending, higher deficit and blocking the US from getting the oil,coal, natural gas we need to keep our economy growing. Obama and the Dems will be a greater disaster to the economy than 9/11 and Katrina combined.
McCain/Palin 2008
Posted by: hugh | September 7, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Dear ABC:
This story is about 2 days old, so why….oh, you got the first interview with Sarah Palin…well congratulations, but what did you do to deserve that honor.
Silly me. Nevermind.
Posted by: doug | September 7, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
obama has been scrutinized from one end to the other—all anyone can find is childish third grade bs——all we need for mccain is his involvement for the past 8 years—and that should be enough—–95% in favor with bush —MAKES HIM MCBUSH—-AS TO OTHER NEGATIVES WE COULD GO ON FOREVER. I LIKE FLIP FLOP THE BEST —FIRST HE WAS THE EXPERIENCED CANDIDATE—NOW HE HAS TRIED TO PIRATE OBAMAS CHANGE PLATFORM—WITH MCCAIN HE SIMPLE CHANGES TO WHATEVER HE THINKS YOU WANT TO HEAR—-REMEMBER 26 YEARS AND NO CHANGE—-MCDUMMY HAS RUN OUT OF TIME
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
McCain dresses up the GOP’s Elephant with a pair of highheels and smears lipstick on it and proudly declares: “Voila: Change!!!!”
No John. That’s an Elephant in Drag.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
HUGH
YOU COULD ALWAYS TRY TO GET THE IRAQ OIL THAT CHINA IS GETTING——WHAT AN OUTRAGE.
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
The Democrats are being blamed for our current economic woes.
Who has been in power for the last 8 years? It’s time to give it up neo cons.
You failed and you failed miserably.
Posted by: Gus | September 7, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Beckie,
Donna Brazille. Nah, she’s not biased. She is an idiot.
Like I said that is what Obama gets for letting the Bratz kids run his campaign. As for the African Americans a minor flaw is that most of the African Americans reside in Southern states that going red anyway.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
@ Samantha. What a ridiculous accusation to make. Take a look at McCain’s speech the other night. He used the words, I, me, mine or myself over 200 times in his 50 minutes. In other words that’s twice as often as Obama did in his speech in Denver. Also try looking about and see what other POWs have to say about McCain- mainly why they aren’t voting for him, though that’s partly down to the good chance that he won’t finish his term in office alive and has chosen a running-mate who makes Dan Quayle look like a genuine world statesman. When you aim your criticism, try to make sure that the accusations you are making don’t apply twice as much to the side you are allegedly supporting.
Posted by: Dave | September 7, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
DAVE
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT SOME NAM VETS KNOW MORE ABOUT MCCAIN THAN HE WOULD LIKE THEM TO.THIS IS THE ONLY THEY CAN GET BACK AT HIM.
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
hugh,
In other words you can’t name anything. The Bush supply side tax breaks that have ballooned the deficit are still in effect. Even McCain admits that drilling won’t lower gas prices.
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
$10 says Axelrod doesn’t let that moron see the light of a camera again w/o his trusty pacifier, the teleprompter.
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Obama’s been appearing on the stump and taking questions for the past 18 months. Since being nominated as VP, so has Joe Biden.
Somewhat ironically, the only person still using a TelePromTer on the trail and NOT answering any questions is…. Sarah Palin. She continues to give the (inaccuracy-riddled) acceptance speech we all saw at the convention.
So there’s not much to crow about on the Republican side.
Posted by: Grace | September 7, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
ONLY A REPUB GRASPING AT POLITICAL STRAWS WOULD QUESTION OBAMAS LOVE OF COUNTRY…..
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
Dave take a look at your own party and I was actually speaking of the interview today with George Stephanopolus not Denver. As far as the POW’s not voting for McCain big deal. I am black and not voting for Obama (sorry grace). I never said that all POW’s were voting for McCain. I admire McCaine’s sacrifice and service to my country. Yes i admire that far more than Obama’s journey of self discovery through taking cocaine and thinking about taking heroine.
Like I said I prefer McCaine’s character.
Why should our kids JUST say no to drugs when the man we are electing to our highest office can’t.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
you know the republican are losing when they start bringing up pathetic issues like that. Hurray higher education. Had they been ivy leaguers like Obama/Biden they would know what to talk about instead of being repetitive with boring issues. Lapel pins are not paying bills. Smart people in white house=change=better America= Retrieving our international respect and admiration
Posted by: yoye777 | September 7, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
This disgusting slander from the GOP must stop. All the repubs have left is try to swift boat anyone who opposes their failed policies by questioning their patriotism. Well, here’s news to you hypocritical GOP bottom-feeders – the most patriotic act is to oppose the republicans. Your party cares nothing about this country, and that’s been amply proved by the last 8 years of nightmarish Bush incompetence and abuse of power.
Posted by: Tom | September 7, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
The Republican party is for rich people and people pretending to be rich..there are a few on this blog site. Look at their convention..the audience did not look like America..this is a cosmopolitan country for speaking out loud. No wonder the laughed at community service..most cannot identify with that and the pretenders don’t want to be associated with that. Community service is wonderful and inspiring. To see young people give back to their community is applaudable and is the highest form of patriotism. They laugh at community service and then call Obama an elitist. A man who worked in the community to make a difference. Heaven help us all and save us from the elitist Republicans!
Posted by: Stanley | September 7, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
McCain loves Veterans sooo much.
As Member of the Senate Committee on Armed Services, he had to learn from the Washington Post about the conditions at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
McCain was OUTRAGED I tell you.
OUTRAGED.
At the Washington Post …
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Concerned in OH
When did he say that?
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Pathetic, hysterical GOP. The person whose patriotism is in question is McCain. No one who loves this country could risk such an obviously unqualified VP becoming president. McCain has clearly put getting elected before the good of the country. Obama has been dignified, principled and intelligentm while McCain has been reckless, thoughtless and amoral. Makes the choice of who to vote for easy.
Posted by: Tom | September 7, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
Samantha: “Why should our kids JUST say no to drugs when the man we are electing to our highest office can’t.”
Palin said she has smoked marijuana, but says she didn’t like it and doesn’t smoke it now.
“I can’t claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled.”
hmmm…decisions…decisions….
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Stanley, Obama’s community service: Obama was trained in the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to “rub raw the sores of discontent,” in Alinsky’s words.
In a 1971 book called Rules for Radicals, Alinsky scolded the Sixties Left for scaring off potential converts in Middle America. True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.
Guess Obama is now trying to use the lessons Alinsky taught him by infiltrating the highest office in the land. Just hope the public wakes up in time to see that behind the mask that Obama is wearing, hides the true face of a radical whose friends should tell you who he really is, Wright,”God D### America” Ayers “I wish I could have bombed more, and Rezco the convicted felon with ties to Palestinean terrorists.
Posted by: marian | September 7, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
TOM
THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO BE CALLED MAVERICK–JUST SHOW US HOW IT IS TO BE A —-D—AVERAGE DUMMY—MCCAIN IS DUMB NO QUESTION ABOUT IT
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Tom, Palin has more experience than Obama so I would rather vote for Palin for President than Obama.
Posted by: hugh | September 7, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Had they been ivy leaguers like Obama/Biden they would know what to talk about instead of being repetitive with boring issues.
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Here the Obamabots go. Are you implying that ivy leaguers are only Democrats? Because I am ivy league and I am for Mc Cain. So anyone that does not attend IVY league schools cannot hold a discussion or bring up valid issues.
HELP
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Repub’s want to question his love for his country – why is that? Because he is black? Because he was a community organizer? Because he has a muslim first name? This repub slimeball is not worth even mentioning his name – white upper class, wealthy, elistist members of the same party. I mean how many blacks did you see at the GOP convention (party) last week? So when you talk of out of touch and elistist people, please remember this slimeball from Oklahoma who blows more than the tornado’s that come thru there. If wearing a flag pin is a measure of how much I love this country – then damn I must hate it because the last thing I would again is wear a flag pin of this country….
Posted by: jozy | September 7, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
MARIAN
I WOULD RATHER HAVE WRIGHT LIVE NEXT TO ME THAN MCLIAR AT LEAST HE IS HONEST
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
The raging right-wingers on this board attack Obama’s patriotism, while ignoring Palin’s ties to a party that wants to secede from the union. They attack Obama’s courage while ignoring the fact that McCain didn’t have the nerve to stand up to the fringe neocon wing that now dominates the GOP. Thay accuse Obama of changing positions while ignoring the fact that Palin was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. The GOP has completely lost it, it seems. After 8 years of failed leadership, the GOP simply can’t be trusted.
Posted by: fred | September 7, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Concerned in OH
I read that piece and I can’t find where Obama said he would keep the tax cuts for the rich.
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Humm ….. I don’t know what election is about … no issue ..
I am sorry to hear from good person
Posted by: Sam | September 7, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
NMP,
I agree with you but looking at my choices I would rather vote for a president with a VP that tried grass and did not like it, than a president that tried and continued to try cocaine and thought of trying heroine, that coupled along with the associations of Wright, Rezko and Ayers. No thanks.
Like I said I am sure that Obama was good at teaching “CON” law.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
Jozy, Obama’s race or name has nothing to do with anything. What counts is Obama’s experience including Obama’s community service: Obama was trained in the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to “rub raw the sores of discontent,” in Alinsky’s words.
In a 1971 book called Rules for Radicals, Alinsky scolded the Sixties Left for scaring off potential converts in Middle America. True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.
Guess Obama is now trying to use the lessons Alinsky taught him by infiltrating the highest office in the land. Just hope the public wakes up in time to see that behind the mask that Obama is wearing, hides the true face of a radical whose friends should tell you who he really is, Wright,”God D### America” Ayers “I wish I could have bombed more, and Rezco the convicted felon with ties to Palestinean terrorists.
Posted by: marian | September 7, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
fred, At least the Separatist movement in Alaska doesn’t want to blow up American like Obama’s buddy Ayers does.
Posted by: Kay | September 7, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Any woman who votes for McCain deserves to get payed less at work, and you also deserve to lose the right to control your body when Roe v Wade gets overturned.
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
Patriot,
Roe Vs Wade is a phony issue. Even if it is overturned it will go back to the States and be decided by the elected representatives of the people, not some unelected judge. The only State that may place any severe restriction on abortion is Utah, so no worries.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
mary
So we should vote on women’s RIGHTS?
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Any woman who votes for McCain deserves to get payed less at work, and you also deserve to lose the right to control your body when Roe v Wade gets overturned.
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Wow more gems of humanity from the Obamabots. I have my own business now and I am an educator (I practically do it for free), I write and make money from that also and I make more money than my husband. Enough for him to spend time doing what he truly wants to do.
I am voting for McCain. And with your statement above you call the RNC the fear monger? say it ain’t so DNC say it ain’t so.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
I dream of a world where politicians, black, white and red and all politicians children would join hands and tell the truth…
I have a dream today..
By the way, you should be uneasy about ALL of them. They all thrash and pummel truth as if it was a home invader. Politicians should NEVER use the word character. Pass that as law, I dare ya.
Posted by: valiant | September 7, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
How can anyone support having politicians control your life? I thought this was the land of the free.
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Mo
At least we know Rev Wright fought in Vietnam just like McCain who only flew over Vietnam. Who are you to question his patriotism.
What about McCain`s agents of intolerance who are now his two spiritual guides. All they do is presch hatred against fellow Americans.
Of course they are Rev Hagee and Parsly.
Posted by: Krista | September 7, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Samantha – Some of of deal in facts. You may be “all that and more”, but your candidate is not:
McCain Opposed Equal Pay Bill for Women, Said They ‘Need Education and Training’ Instead. McCain skipped a vote on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act that would ensure women have the opportunity to recover back pay for discrimination once they discover it. If he had been there to vote, he said he would have voted against it and that women “need education and training” rather than an equal pay bill. The bill addressed a recent Supreme Court decision that said Steelworker Lilly Ledbetter could not recover back pay for 19 years of discrimination at Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. because she had not discovered the unequal pay until she retired. The bill would amend the 1964 Civil Rights Act to allow employees to file charges of pay discrimination within 180 days of the last received paycheck affected by the discrimination. [Source: aflcio.org; H.R. 2831, Vote 110, 4/23/08; Associated Press, 4/28/08]
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
OMENTUM
HIS BROADCASTS REALLY WERE TERRIFIC WHEN POW
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Obama’s policy is hope and audacity.
McCain’s policy is a proven failure. His policy is exactly like Bush-Cheney’s.
I rather take hope and audacity than failure.
Posted by: Quy Tran | September 7, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
it’s like, how hard would it have been for John McCain to have at least worn a flag lapel pin while he was being tortured, so rude.
And I forget, the most patriotic person is the person best for the job? Like how the person who loves sony the most is its CEO.
The GOP is backwards, and a GOP victory only means the US will continue to slide. I hope when China is the new super power that McCain’s and our nostalgia can feed and house us.
Posted by: ia g | September 7, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
NMP, women already get the same pay for the same job description as a man. Its the law. There are already enough laws on the books regarding gender discrimination, we do not need any more. What Obama is proposing is to determine a jobs worth by government fiat rather than the free market. I do not want some government bureaucrat under the direction of Lord Obama telling a business or a union that a secretary job is of equal worth to a carpenter job. That is just plain autocratic and the US didn’t fight the Revolutionary war to just be run again by another autocrat like King George or should I say King Obama.
Posted by: Sara | September 7, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
You are right Concerned in OH. My mother was on welfare my entire childhood. She was my inspiration but at times I felt she gave up on her own abilities and frankly could have did more. I had a job before she did. I did not like having my fate or happiness in the hands of others. I don’t like being a victim. Worked as a waitress at 14 as soon as I could legally work. My tips could get us off welfare but my mom liked that crutch. When I was 18 I said I am outta here and went to college.
I give back to my community and I pay taxes. I have no problem paying taxes.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
krista, Just another Obama kool aid drinker, the truth about Obama hurts, that is why you cannot refute anything I said, just name call. If any of the below is not true, do please refute it with some factual information. Bet you can’t.
Obama’s community service: Obama was trained in the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to “rub raw the sores of discontent,” in Alinsky’s words.
In a 1971 book called Rules for Radicals, Alinsky scolded the Sixties Left for scaring off potential converts in Middle America. True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.
Guess Obama is now trying to use the lessons Alinsky taught him by infiltrating the highest office in the land. Just hope the public wakes up in time to see that behind the mask that Obama is wearing, hides the true face of a radical whose friends should tell you who he really is, Wright,”God D### America” Ayers “I wish I could have bombed more, and Rezco the convicted felon with ties to Palestinean terrorists.
Posted by: marian | September 7, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
SAMANTHA–
WHATEVER YOU DO —–DONT HATE YOUR MOTHER–IT WILL ONLY HURT YOU IN THE END
I SAY IT AS A FRIEND
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Krista: what proof do you have that the rev fought in Vietnam. He was only in the Marines for 2 yrs. More than likely a Section 8 (nutcake)
Posted by: Russ | September 7, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Patriot, Now your true colors come out, an autocrat at heart, just like your hero Obama.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
FRED:
“They attack Obama’s courage while ignoring the fact that McCain didn’t have the nerve to stand up to the fringe neocon wing that now dominates the GOP.______________
Obviously you did not here McCain’s acceptance speech where he said that his Washington was in dis-repair and the Repulican Party also needed to be fixed.
He said further that he would reach out to anyone… regardless of their political ties… to fix it!
It was a moving, eye-opener of a speech…not in the rhetorical preacher type speechifying of Obama kind of a way… but in a thought provoking of what was wrong… and how he was going to make it right!
And it didn’t cost him $6,000,000 to do it!
Posted by: america*centric | September 7, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
Sara – I see that – All the Stats “support it”- (snark)
Women workers in their 40s earn 20% less than men, according to an analysis of government data published yesterday. Research for the Office of National Statistics found that the gender pay gap jumps from 1% for women in their 20s to 20.3% for full-timers aged 40 to 49.
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
Shame on the Republicans.
They’ll tell how they love our country, even pretending that they love it more than Democrats. Why?
They pretend that greater love only to hide the truths that indicate the opposite.
Those who REALLY love their country and its people would NEVER send that country’s young men and women to an unjust, illegal and senseless war that takes away the lives of thousands.
Doing so is not only and simply a political, strategical and economical blunder, it is a sin, it is a crime and it is TREASON.
Republicans, except for Ron Paul, apparently do not care about that greatest patriotic treasure of the USA: the American Constitution.
Shame on the Republicans. They have burned the noble face of a fair and just America, that was admired all over the world, and they have the blood of our youth that was unnecessarily spilled on their hands.
Good Americans will let them pay for that, by ensuring that Republicans will not be in power for many years to come.
Posted by: maria | September 7, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
Sara-
The Wage Gap Persists
The wage gap between the sexes still plagues the American workforce. In 2004, median annual
earnings for full-time year-round workers (which include self-employed workers and other sources
of pay differences such as annual bonuses) demonstrate that women earned just 76.5% as much as
men.24 Out of 19 Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries,
the United States has the largest gender earnings gap, save for Austria and Switzerland.25
In 2007, median weekly earnings for women in the U.S. were 80.2% those of men. For most
women of color, the earnings gap was even larger:26
• African American women earned just 70 cents for every dollar earned by men in 2007.27
• Hispanic and Latina women earned just 62 cents for every dollar men earned.
• Only Asian American women’s earnings were closer to parity with men’s: in 2007, they
earned 95% that of all men. However, they earned 78% as much as Asian American men.
The wage gap is also more pronounced for older women: in 2007, women over 25 earned 78% that
of men in the same age group while women aged 16−24 earned 92% as much as their male peers.28
Equal pay is a problem in every occupational category, even in occupations where women
considerably outnumber men. In 2007, certain professions showed a significant gap:29
• Women in professional and related occupations earned over 27% less than their male
counterparts, while women in sales and office occupations earned 23% less than similarly
employed men.
• Female elementary and middle school teachers earned nearly10% less than similarly
employed men, despite comprising 82% of the field.
• Female registered nurses earned more than 10% less than their male colleagues, although
90% of nurses are women.
• Female physicians and surgeons earned a whopping 41% less than their male counterparts.
• Female college and university teachers earned over 25% less than those who were male.
• Female lawyers earned 23% less than male lawyers.
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
MARIA
I TRULY THANK YOU.
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
mary
China controls the lives of women. Do you want that here?
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Obama is a con man. Nothing more.
Posted by: Beth | September 7, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
There is a clear difference between Obama and McCain concerning the future of this country.
McCain wants to continue the same failed Bush policies but Obama wants to cleam the mess left behind.
Those of you Conzies who think Americans are stupid enough to vote four more years of failures are in for a big surprise. Americans will vote with common sense not out of fear.
Posted by: Independent | September 7, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Patriot, If Obama gets elected and implements his health care plan, everyones life will be controlled by the government.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
inhofe needs to quit… did mccain not stand in front of the world at the RNC and blatantly say that it took him to leave his country to love it? naw that is a fact… the obama jabs are speculation! the gop will stoop to any level to win the election…. smdh
Posted by: Bhudda Flii | September 7, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Patriot, If Obama gets elected and implements his health care plan, everyones life will be controlled by the government.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Russ
Rev Wright fought in Vietnam and nobody can deny this. Go find out for yourself.
Thats a fact.
Posted by: krista | September 7, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
The Government paying for health care is controlling people?
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
I don’t hate my mother. I hate that she did not fight for her own happiness. During the 80′s she spent a lot of time hating Carter, Reagan and the RNC. Governor Thompson of Illinois. She took politics seriously and felt they kept blacks down. I asked her if she thought about looking for a job and she said to me that I don’t want to spend my day working for white people. To me this is very defeatist. That is what I hated where were we in the equation?
Sure we can vote for McCain, Obama or whoever but ultimately the Hope or change is in you. Reagan did not keep my mother from looking for a job. Harold Washington did not help her look for one as first black mayor of Chicago. You make your own life.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
McCain has said that he had to leave this country before he knew he loved America.
Does that mean that he never loved America untill he left? Or we shouldnt question his patriotism because he is white?
Posted by: krista | September 7, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
Under Universal health care, doctors and patients make the decisions, not some HMO bureaucrat.
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
NMP, So? There are some very good reasons for the data you cite. Women work part time, work in jobs that are more flexible, thus pay less, stop their careers to have children, pick jobs that are not as technical in nature such as Engineering. If you want an autocratic approach to deciding what job based on gender gets what salary, that would literally destroy our economy. Not only would businesses be against it so would unions. Women have the same opportunity to get the jobs men have at the salaries men make. If a woman wants to be a engineer, a carpenter, a auto mechanic, a VP candidate like Palin, they have the opportunity to do it and no one is holding them back. People that think that Obama’s economic policies will improve the economy and create jobs need to look at his autocratic proposal to decide what a job is worth based on gender and they will see, Obama will destroy our economy, plain and simple.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
SAMANTHA
I TRULY KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO START LIFE WITH NOTHING—–BUT MY MOTHERS LOVE KEPT MY HOPES AND AMBITION UP–SHE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN ME——GUESS WHAT IT REALLY WORKED–YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS—AND SHE IS STILL ALIVE
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
To independents who happen to read this blog,
Republication make up things. Please do your research. Republican want to make the election about personalities. Don’t be fooled. There are really important issues on the table, such as war and peace, the economy, educating your kids, and health care.
Read, get both sides of the story. Make up your mind after you have done your homework. Don’t vote based on right wing talking points.
God bless America.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Fact: The economy does better under Democrats than Republicans. If you don’t believe me, look it up.
Posted by: Patriot | September 7, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
When you have two running for President a question like this shouldn’t even be thought of but it does now. Especially when one party doesn’t even mention “Victory” , or “Success”, or “Winning”. Instead it’s Losers, failure, killers, thugs and defeat. Can you imagine this party during WWll?
Posted by: Kenny Jones | September 7, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
“He said further that he would reach out to anyone… regardless of their political ties… to fix it!”
And where did he reach out? In his first decision with probably very real consequences for the US?
A Religious Fundamentalist Firethrower. That’s ‘reaching acros the aisle’ according to McCain.
What do we already know about her?
- Proven to be liar.
- Has a real knack for firing people for personal reasons
- Backstabs people once they fall out of favour with her (how many Valerie Plame investigations can this country afford? With real consequences for National Security)
- Likes to ban books
- Loves Lobbyists
The list in endless.
The only thing SP did not lie about is being a ‘fiscal conservative’: She left her small town with MILLIONS in debts. She inherited it with NO debts.
That’s what fiscal conservatives are all about: WE spend the money and direct it to our Rich Friends / YOU have to pay for it.
WE make a Mess of it / YOU clean it up
That’s what Republicans consider Fair and Balanced.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Kenny Jones: “Can you imagine this party during WWll?”
Which Party won WWII? The Democrats.
Case closed.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
OBAMA CAME UP IN THIS WORLD THE HARD WAY—–HE WORKED FOR WHAT HE HAS, AND KNOWS TH PROBLEMS EVERYDAY PEOPLE FACE——-MCCAIN NEVER WORKED FOR ANYTHING—HE TOOK THAT TO THE EXTREME WHEN HE DUMPED HIS FIRST WIFE AND FAMILY FOR A RICH WOMAN–INSURING THAT HE NEVER WOULD WORK AND NEVER KNOW WHAT WE WORKING STIFFS GO THROUGH—-CANNOT BE MORE TRUTHFULL THAN THAT
GOODNIGHT
Posted by: rodney | September 7, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
To independents,
Remember 9/11 is approaching. The people who lost their lives were not all Republicans. Despite what they try to tell you, we all love our country.
After 9/11 America stood together, ready to do what was needed. Bush said go shopping. We went to war with the wrong country. More than 4,000 Americans are dead, more than 26,000 injured. The war will end up costing 2 trillion dollars. This republican administration left people to die in New Orleans, passed an education bill, but didn’t fund it, deregulated the morgage industry allowing criminals to rape the housing market, and nearly destroy our economy, they have sent our jobs overseas, most of clothing and merchandise is made in China, isolated us in the world, and redistributed your hard earned money and mine to the wealthiest in the nation and the world.
The worst of it is they have turned a time of American patriotism in this…us against them with Carl Rove tactics.
Don’t be fooled by the republicans, you can’t possibly want more of what they have already done to this country. At least I hope not. You can’t reason with republicans, they don’t seem to care about truth. They are busy trying to influence the uninformed. They will make it up as they go, lie, mistate, what e ver works. Go, read, study, get the facts, then make up your mind.
God bless America.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Mary, The facts I provided are very accurate and you can look up the very real, very detailed information available to you through numerous public sources. I can not; however, continue to provide information to a person like you who has no interest in facts and only molds and adjust them to fit into your ill-conceived vision of what you want just to make your candidate look good. Good luck to you.
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
mary,
Nobody in the UK is denied healthcare he or she *needs*, nobody.
But if you want a healthcare system where every DEMAND for a CAT-scan in case of a broken fingernail is honored?
Plus a Second Opinion, and a Third?
Be my guest.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Willem van Oranje, and who decides what health care is “needed” the government that’s who. So you prove my point. So who is “silly” now.
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Who was President when 9/11 happened….that’s what I thought. If we get attacked again it will be on Bush’s head because of his asinine foreign policies.I know Clinton had his hand in the pot too.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
mary: “Obama has never reached out to anyone in the GOP on any difficult issue.”
Sigh. Obama’s bipartisan record has been extensively discussed.
But keep on spreading lies and smears. It reflects the true values of the Republican Party and it is more proof that a McCain/Palin administration won’t be any different than the Bush/Cheney adminstration.
It will be worse.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
Mary, LOL Are these Obama supporters really that stupid? William de Orange actually admits that some government bureaucrat will have the power to decide what health care is “needed” and he calls you “silly” You couldn’t make this stuff up.
Posted by: gary | September 7, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
Do republicans plan to live in the world all by themselves. If so, how do you plan to accomplish that? What will you do with all the people you don’t want to feed or educate, or provide health care to. will you build a green zone around your selves. I believe in France not so very long ago the people rose up against those who let them starve. What kind of world do republicans invision. Is that why republicans need so many guns. What is the republican vision for the world. Maybe the wild west, gun smoke, the sheriff, the saloon, and the grave yard. Maybe as I heard a republican say you intend to get rid of everyone who isn’t a republican.
Who is unAmerican? I don’t think it is progressives.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Willem van Oranje , Notice you did not name even one example. So I’ll name the one and ONLY bill that Obama co-sponsered A nuclear non proliferation treaty that was an update of another bill. That’s it. Pretty thin don’t you think? LOL
Posted by: mary | September 7, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Once again, uninformed republicans try to talk about health care. Please go read the actual proposals for healthcare. Don’t take these republicans word, they make up things, misstate the facts, and sometimes out and out lie to confuse you. The only answer is to get the information for yourself.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
During the pivotal Iowa campaign, Obama sought to burnish his populist “tinge” by telling a misleading story about his response to an Exelon nuclear accident that outraged Illinois residents in late 2005 and early 2006. On December 1 of 2005, Exelon admitted that it had discovered radioactive by-products of nuclear power in monitoring wells at its Braidwood plant, located in central Illinois. Citizen concerns deepened when radioactive tritium was discovered in a home drinking well near the plant and Exelon revealed that this substance came from millions of gallons of water that had leaked from the plant over many years. Exelon had not been required to report the leaks since the radioactive discharges had not reached the level of what the Nuclear Regulatory Commission called “an emergency.”
Last November, Obama told a campaign crowd in Iowa that he had introduced a U.S. Senate bill that required nuclear plant owners to notify local and state authorities immediately when even small leaks had occurred. The bill, he told Iowa voters, was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed. I just did that last year,” Obama claimed, eliciting “murmurs of approval” [3].
But, as the New York Times reported in a front-page story two days before Super Tuesday, the truth of what happened after the Braidwood leak was very different than Obama’s self-serving version. “While he initially fought to advance” a bill very much like what he claimed to have “passed,” Times reporter Mike McIntire noted, “Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon, and nuclear regulators. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate despite the removal of language mandating prompt reporting. Instead, the bill simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported links.” As McIntire suggested, this ignominious legislative aftermath contradicted Obama’s campaign claim and followed in natural accord with the following facts [4]:
* Obama had received at least $227,000 in campaign cash from Exelon since 2003.
* “Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.”
* Exelon executives met repeatedly with Obama’s staff to discuss Obama’s ultimately diluted and aborted bill.
* Obama’s chief political strategist David Axlerod had worked as a consultant to Exelon since 2002.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Once again, uninformed republicans try to talk about povery in America. The poor could not leave New Orleans. The poor are not represented, are often unseen, and certainly people like you don’t know the poor. But, that is an aside, go do your homework, readers. Don’t let republicans snow you over with nonsense.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
mary -
well, that’s mighty generous of you mary. Out of your own free will admitting that you were spreading a lie.
You DO know that Obama had crossed the aisle after all.
And no, that bill is not the only one. Obama has found at least 29 senators as co-sponsors from the other side of the aisle on the more importan legislation.
McCain only 16
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Obama 08
the common sense choice.
Posted by: krista | September 7, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Seriously: Obama wears a flag pin because he was called on it. Now he wants people to think that he likes this country. Give me a break. Why don’t you read more about this man and understand politics better. Obama is a fake and a sincere liar and its people like you that eat up this copied speeches that he can’t write himself. When he is accusing McCain of using the word change, Obama copied it from Clinton’s speech along from RFK’s speech of hope and change.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
linda n carolina, Get real, Obama is the one that wants to turn Iraq back over to Al Qaeda and with access to all of Iraq’s oil reserves Al Qaeda will have the means and opportunity to attack us again and attack us hard. So just pray that Obama does not get elected cause if he does, Al Qaeda will rise again all due to Obama’s desire to hand Al Qaeda a victory in Iraq.
Posted by: jim | September 7, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
gary: “and who decides what health care is “needed”"
Your doctor.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Mary – I’ll help William-
Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act
Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act
Honest Leadership and Open Gov. Act
Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimdation Prevention Act
Obama-McCain Climate Change Reduction Bill
There was a provision to his original legislation for which Obama also introduced the Obama0Lugar Threat Reduction. The provision came later and included Chuck Hagel, as well. I could go on and on, but I have stuff to do.
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Obama 08
the common sense choice.
___________________________
…For those with no common sense.
Posted by: Samantha | September 7, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Mary, I forgot to add…. In eight years in the IL. State Legislature, Obama sponsored 820 bills that became law. In 4 years as a US Senator he has sponsored 427 bills and authored 152 Bills.
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
willem van oranje: Who are you trying to kid. Obama missed the senate about 130 or more days, what never there to vote on the war and always answered present. And I know you are aware of that. He did know how to answer like he didn’t know how to answer the questions at he forum interview. He is a poor example of a senator and will be worse as a president. Of course we all know that Biden will be running the country not Obama.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Bloggers,
How do you stop a republican bully? You confront them. You let them know you are not afraid, that you won’t intimidated. Just tell the truth. Republicans won’t care about the truth, but undecided will. Let them know that republican are making up things, mistating facts, and trying to confuse them. Don’t let people forget the facts of the last 8 years. Don’t give them another 4 years. Republicans should justly not be allowed to lead this nation.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Maybe someone should ask Palin that questions since it is NOW on video where she WAS a member of the Alaskan group – FACT
Posted by: McCain = BUSH = LIARS | September 7, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
NMP: Obama hasn’t been a senator for four years yet. Don’t you listen to the news? He never sponsored those bills he missed too many days in the senate to pass any bills and the whole congress has to pass bills Obama himself can’t pass bills. There has to be a vote on it. You better start reading.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
Mariann- You’re right! It’s been 3 years 9 months so that makes his record THAT much more impressive. Thank You!
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Mary get your facts straight. Senator Obama has co-sponsored legislation with Senator Coburn of Oklahoma who is far to the right.Get educated.
Posted by: Deanne | September 7, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
and gary, what do prefer:
Your specialist deciding what care you need?
Or a bureaucrat for a private insurer who wants to make profit?
Or your wallet?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Obama felt that Gov Sarah Palin demeaned “Community Organizer”. I think He and his hate brigade needs a course in English,.Unless they are trying to twist her speech or play the victim.
If you review her speech. I am sure, what she meant–compared to “community organizer” mayor job involves more decision making, She in no way ran down “community Organizer”.Even the ladies at the VIEW think she ran down CO
Posted by: vic | September 7, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
>>>>>Samantha | Sep 7, 2008 9:50:23 PM
———–
Thank you, Samantha.
You presented an excellent, well cited post about just another one of Obama’s lies.
Unfortunately, Obamaniacs cannot figure out how to extract the facts from the chaff….. or to accept the truth when it is not in keeping with your pre-judiced opinions.
Growing up is hard to do.
Posted by: america*centric | September 7, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
A despicable comment. He should apologize.
Posted by: RealisticLib | September 7, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Just came in over Fox news that McCain is leading Obama 48% to 45%. Since he chose Palin his polls increased and they will continue to increase. And if I was Palin I would close my ears to what I don’t want to hear and close my eyes to what I don’t want to see. I can’t wait to see Pelosi’s face should McCain win the election.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Obama/ Biden will have a difficult time because they will be responsible to the people. People are fickle, and you can’t ever please everybody. An Obama administration however will be inclusive and open. Obama policies will be pro middle class, and pro family.
McCain will simply control your pocket book. You’ll be glad if you have a job when they get through sucking the life out of your income with a surcharge for this that. McCain will be responsible to business America. Things like fewer sick days and vacation, or that you’ve got too much family leave, or tax your health insurance benefits. Hears one I heard recently, they plan to charge for for your health/vices. You could loose your job if you smoke, or they give you a year to get your weight down, and blood pressure under control or you pay extra money to keep your job…things like that. They’ll continue trickle down economics.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
Go tell this gentleman to fly a kite!! He just wants us to have another four years of same!! This guy – Republican is one who doesn’t love America!!! Presently America is a disaster!! Another Bank closed today. Friday unemployment at worst level in five years. Worst national debt in whole history of America!! He just wants more of same so he can lie to Americans.
I don’t fall prey to these scare tactics!! Obama loves America alot!!
This is as bad as the new out – Republican Southern “racial label” – Southern Republican legislator called Barack Obama “uppity”. And yes this is an old label used for blacks. Disgusting!!
I am white woman college educated medical professional from midwest, now living in California. And I am registered Republican. I just retired so have been following presidential campaign. And old enough to know the racial label quite well. That southern gentleman is a jerk and yes, appears he is racial. Psychological suggestive and implied reference is sure there. So he denies. What does anyone one expect ??
This lady will be changing party affiliation soon!! And this is sad. I have been registered Republican my whole life!!
Posted by: Sharonklim | September 7, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
A Senator’s job in the Senate is to introduce Bills and he needs to find other Senators who will support that Bill. Okay?
Let’s do some numbers. Let’s count who has a more impressive -bipartisan – record in the Senate. Shall we? Let’s do some counting of McCain’s record vs. Obama’s for the currrent Congress, using the Thomas database (thanks to Paul Rosenberg for his work).
Bills Sponsored:
Obama: 129
McCain: 38
Total Co-Sponsors:
Obama: 547
McCain: 91
Maximum nr of Co-Sponsors for a Bill:
Obama: 36
McCain: 14
Number of Bills With 10 or More Co-Sponsors:
Obama: 14
McCain: 1
Finally, to test the bipartisanship claim.
Number of Co-Sponsors From Opposite Party on 7 Bills With Most Co-Sponsors:
Obama: 29
McCain: 16
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Bill: surely you don’t still believe we went to Iraq to go after terrorists. HAHA I forgot you reps believed every thing Bush said. There were no terrorists in Iraq except Saddam and his henchmen ( that didn’t stop us to us him in the precedeing years).It was all about the oil baby!! Who’s got the oil contracts now…yep the same one’s Saddam kicked out 30 years ago.Where’s Bin Laden Bill? Same place Bush left him 6 years ago. What will we declare victory…oops Bush already did that on the air craft carrier. I quess we will win when? 2 years when another 4,000 are dead? When they agree to our style of democracy? The Iraqi’s, Irani’s , the palistine? They are not like us and never will be. Their religion is their life…it prevades in everything they do the cleric will always rule. Time to bring them home there is no “victory “
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Posted by: bll | Sep 7, 2008 10:01:41 PM
The problem is that a vote for Obama is more a vote for four more years of Bush than a vote for McCain would be!
Obama is a carbon copy of our current BOZO: equally inexperienced (except that Bush had at least managed a state),
both actually running on the same cheery platform of “CHANGE!, and both filled with charisma with nothing else to support voting for him!
COUNTRY BEFORE BROKEN DNC PARTY
MCCAIN AND PALIN
Posted by: eyes open wide | September 7, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
America, republicans are lauging at your concerns. They mock your hopes and dreams. They think health care reform, educating our kids, jobs, and security is funny. Republicans mock the truth, too.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Anyone one know the last time McCain voted? April 2008 thats when.Couldn’t even go back for the new GI Bill.How’s that for supporting the Vets. Go to war and die for us but we don’t things too good for you, you might not want to re-enlist.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Willem van Oranje: I don’t think so. He never was in the senate co-sponsor anything. He only voted present or was absent. He is the worst senator in history. He said he was against the war but wasn’t there to vote. He is a joke.So where was he that he wasn’t in his senate seat over 130 times.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Sorry Bill…my post was for jim
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
NMP: Obama has not been a senator for four years and was absent over 130 times. Where was he at to co-sponsor these bills? At Ayers house or maybe Wright’s. He is the poorest example of a senator in history.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Awe. How cute. Paul Street’s famous ‘Backroom Deal’ with Exelon is rearing it’s head again. How predictable.
Has already been debunked. Factchecker says that Hillary’s campaign could not provide any proof that there had been a ‘backroom deal’.
Exelon lobbied many senators over the nuclear notification bill. Had Obama not agreed to the drafting changes, the bill would have been blocked by the *Republican* majority on the Environment Committee.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 7, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Anyone who knows(apparantly not you maryanne)the state senate in IL knows voting present only represents that you have a problem with a part of the bill. Very common there.130 present votes out of a total of over 4,000. See what a little fact check does.But hey never let the facts get in the way of posting lies and inuendo.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Krista: Common sense doesn’t vote for Obama nonsense does.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
linda n carolina: He didn’t vote present 130 times where have you been? He was absent 130 times and when he was in the senate he voted present because he didn’t understand whether to vote yes or no.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
You know I never thought of it that way but yeah the Senator is right. Why would I want to vote for a wimp that degrades my country? I’m not a german nor am I English. I think I would rather have my interests at heart on the world stage instead of all the other “world citizen’s” If I was voting for a world leader than I can see but I’m not I’m voting for the Americian President. The leader of MY nation. Not the leader of the world. I expect my President to put MY country first.
Posted by: unseen | September 7, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
linda n carolina: How do you know when McCain voted were you there with him?
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
Maryanne: It was the STATE SENATE he voted present 130 times. Gees atleast get the story straight. This has been flying around the internet for months. If he was absent from the Us Senate 130 days….then McCain is about to catch him. He hasn’t been there since April thats 120 days and counting
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Maryanne: Well maybe the Senate keeps records.Do you think?
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Concerned in Ohio: Obama words of audacity and hope are from his pastor Rev. Wright who was preaching those words in his sermon. Obama took those words and published himself a book making a few million dollars. Obama copies from everyone including JFK, MLK and RFK. He doesn’t have the intelligence to write his own words. Biden is a good choice for him because Biden will be running the country and Obama will stand in the background if elected.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
Ignorance is bliss.
Posted by: kgj | September 7, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
linda n carolina: Of course the senate keeps records that’s why they know how many times Obama missed the senate and how many times he voted present or didn’t vote at all. If you listen to the news, the media made a remark that Obama is a sincere liar everytime he speaks. The good news is that Palin got 40 million viewer’s, McCain 39 million and Obama 38 million. I don’t believe he will win the election to be president.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 7, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
You know they say 25% of americans are chronically stupid. Unemployment is what 6%? Not only are they gainfully employed but posting too. Is it any wonder we’ve had 8 years of Bush and Cheney.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
BLL:
“America, republicans are lauging at your concerns.”
Obama’s the one who’s sneering… at the amount of money you gave him to show off his enormous ego and equally large ears in Denver a week ago!
He’s laughing with delight at trashing enormous quantities of American flags!
He couldn’t think to donate them to some inner city schools. Hed couldn’t even see that they were destroyed in a dignified way…. by fire!
It was OK with him……. the one who intends to be the defender of this flag… to throw them out!
As for health care…. his plan was never the perfect one; it left too
many people uncovered!
Obama is words.. just words…. and most of them aren’t even his!
McCain doesn’t have B O’s glitz, but he has substance and experience upon which we can depend.
And he has already proved himself to us by his years of service both in the navy, and in our Congress!
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!
McCain and Palin
Posted by: eyes open wide | September 7, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Maryanne I don’t believe you can “present” in the US Senate.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
We did not trash any flags….they were stolen…lies and more lies. Hey if a repub’s lips are moving their lieing.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
ABC is owned by Walt Disney Company, to someones question. I’m trying to better understand their political leanings. Maybe someone else has facts, not supposition.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
the only reason McCain’s speech was so highly watched was because we wanted to see how bad he was going to do . I wasn’t disappointed. I like the Walter Reed school too…Ha Ha supposed to be Walter Reed Hospital.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
To eyes wide open, you picked the wrong person. I’m not afraid of republican nonsense. You’re a bully. I’ll treat bullies accordingly.
Want to talk about the facts, great, I’ll give you that, if not get back to the issues of the American people. That is what I’m about. I love my country. You love yourself.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Only other thing I learned that night was republicans can’t dance either.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
McCain/Palin ’08. All talk and no substance.
Posted by: kgj | September 7, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
Bloggers, do not let the election be about personalities,as the republicans would like. The election is about the important issues facing the American people. Who has the solutions. Republicans want to talk about people. I want to talk about policy.
Just a reminder to readers, go get the facts from various sources. Fact check the rrepublicans. They have no problem with lies and mistatements.
Posted by: bll | September 7, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Yeah Bll…give it to em. You put out the lies and smears, we’re going to be in your face till Nov. Never again will we let the lies go unanswered. Can’t talk about the issues because McCain is another Bush. …this is our country too and we’re taking it back.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Barack has had 290 missed votes since 1991. That’s 45.5 percent!
He has hit the yellow button 195 votes to enter “present” since 2005.
You can tell he is a strong leader by his inbility to decide what to do.
But he did have an opinion on some things:
“Obama voted to rid our country of DEFENSIVE missles. You know, those missles that would destroy incoming warheads from elsewhere?
In a day when every third world country is developing nuclear capabilities, we will now have to sit back and watch them come…because we can’t defend ourselves against them any longer. ”
Be careful when you vote!
You only get O N E chance!
MCCAIN AND PALIN
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY
Posted by: america*centric | September 7, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
Stupid liberals think the election is about issues. LOl. This election like every election since Washington will be based on the character of the person. why do you think we Americians expect the canidates to posture for us for 18 months. We do you think we expect our canidates to serve hot dogs, to meet and greet, to give stump speeches, to battle each other with TV ads, radio ads, debates, etc.
It is because thru this actions the Americian people can get a glimpse of the character of the person they are going to elect. We want to know how they will respond under pressure, how they respond when required to humble themselves, how they repsond in the limelight, how quick on their feet they are and yes how they respond to bullying, insults etc. All of these things we require our canidates to do so we can judge their character. the issues are always and will always be secondary. If it was a matter of issues we could knock out those in two weeks. It isn’t we require our leaders to undergo test after test before we hand them the keys to the kingdom.
Posted by: unseen | September 7, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Mariann Pepitone – I already answered you. I said You’re right! It has not been 4 years,it has been 3 years 9 months which makes his record even that more impressive.
Posted by: NMP | September 7, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
LINDA IN NC
“this is our country too and we’re taking it back. ”
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….. and where did you intend to take it?
Other people might feel that THEY have dibs on it, too.
You sound like the gestapo! ;-0
Posted by: america*centric | September 7, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
We’re taking it from the 2 war criminals Bush and Cheney. We’re going to take it back to when the world looked to us as a beacon of hope and justice.We gave the repubs 8 years and look at us. Gestopo….anyone who disagrees must be unamerican is that it?
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 7, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
LINDA:
“We’re taking it from the 2 war criminals Bush and Cheney. We’re going to take it back to when the world looked to us as a beacon of hope and justice”
Everyone hates Bush and Cheney….even the Republicans!
But they’re providintg the candidate who can most successfully get us to where you want us to be.
This is the first time I will have voted Republican; I hated the way the Dems dissed Hillary and Bill Clinton and accused them of being racists.
I hate the “get over it “sweetie” attitudc of B O and his bloggers.
But the one thing we share, you and I, is the same goal!
Let’s hope that whoever wins this election will be the one who can achieve it!
Posted by: america*centric | September 8, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
amrica*centric,
In case you have not noticed, America’s greatest territorial threats are no longer the same as when our missile defense system was created or when the untested space based defense system — star wars, was proposed. Perhaps you would like to keep spending money fighting the war from a couple decades ago, but I would prefer a commander-in-chief who looks at the present situation and focuses on where the actual threats are.
Posted by: Steve | September 8, 2008, 4:36 am 4:36 am
Typical Republican bs. Attack with divisive comments then deny the words meant exactly they were supposed to mean. How anybody can be proud to be a Republican is beyond me.
Posted by: indy_voter | September 8, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Mariann Pepitone,
Oh, and Palin is real. She hides behind the men in the Republican party, dodges the press, then wants to be seen as a symbol of equality. Who is the fake? Palin is all imagery right now and a coward for not speaking with the press!
Posted by: indy_voter | September 8, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
McBush is a blundering IDIOT. Doesnt know where he stands from one day to the next. What a joke. If that MORON becomes the next Dictator, ahem I mean “president” I am getting the heck out of here and never looking back!
Jenn
Posted by: Jenny Furlow | September 8, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
wait till the berg injunction against the dnc and bho hits the fan(bho and the dnc were served friday). bho will be shown to be ineligible to be president vis-a-vis his citizenship!!!
Posted by: pp | September 8, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
This from a man who once compared the Environmental Protection Agency to the Gestapo.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | September 8, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
yes, this is what it takes to PROVE that you love America, you have to wear a lapel pin. Not going to school, paying your bills, spenidng 20 years in poor neighborhoods trying to make things better for your fellow citizens and teach Constitutional law. It is a lapel pin.
Senator McArthy is alive and well and been reborn in Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla.
Not for nothin, when you HAVE to wear a lapel pin to show your love for country, this is no longer the country I love.
Posted by: Jason | September 8, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
JASON:
GET REAL!!!!
” going to school, paying your bills, spenidng 20 years in poor neighborhoods trying to make things better for your fellow citizens and teach Constitutional law. It is a lapel pin. ”
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It’s not a matter of the lapel pin alone! That wouldn’t even be an issue if he didn’t surround himself with an army of unsavory characters, a large percentage of whom are anti-American.
And going to school and paying your bills are good goals for EVERYONE and special credit… (except in the way of scholarships and grants)…. is not given to ANYONE for services rendered.
And I don’t think Obama lived in poor neighborhoods to make things better for his neighbors. Once he could afford better, he was out of there like a hot potato out of a kid’s hand…..
And teaching Constitutional Law…. was a J O B….. not a “calling”.
But now that you bring it up……
It would have been politic if Obama,who is campaigning to be our next potus, had used a more dignified means of getting rid of over 12,000 miniature American Flags other than just having them thrown out with the garbage!
Why couldn’t he have seen to it that they were burned?
After all, the American Flag I S the symbol of our beloved country!
Posted by: AMERICAN*CENTRIST | September 8, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
What scare me is the Obama has over 305 advisors and still Obama makes one serious error after another. Either he is not smart enough to listen well or his advisors cannot make Obama listen to issues or initiatives that need to be made. Obama will get our troops into a third Iraqi war and worse an Iran war.
Posted by: Dr Parra, Lt Co, USAF Retired | September 8, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Dr Parra : So having a woman with NO foreign relations experience a heartbeat from a 72 year old man doesn’t scare you? Well how about having a 72 year old man voting against benefits for veterans. They are our most important priority. You claim that you are a Retired veteran yet you are not offended by McCains lack of care for the veterans…you sound pretty fishy to me.
Posted by: vote4peace | September 8, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
How many Americans think we have 57 states? Raise your hands now.
Posted by: Bridger | September 8, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Once again another Republican behaving as if they have a monopoly on Patriotism and Christianity.
You would think the only people fighting in these wars are Christian, White and Republican. It is sad that constant disdain the Republicans have for anyone who does not fit their definition of moral, patriotic or family value
Posted by: AlwaysHungry | September 8, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
umm, Sen. Inhofe ….Obama wore his flag pin when he gave his speech at the DNC, while McSame didn’t….
Posted by: nalakop | September 8, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
My father and mother lie at rest in Arlington National Cemetary. My husband lies at rest in Quantico National Cemetary at the Quantico Marine Base. My grandfather fought in WWI, my father in law in WWII (with a Navy Cross.) My cousin retired from the Air Force. My brother in law was Navy, my sister in law a Marine. I don’t think the lapel pin is necessary.
Posted by: Sheila | September 8, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
Why, when people talk about Universal Health care, do they speak as if everyone MUST get their health care through the government? Can’t Universal Health care allow people who can afford it, pay for private health care insurance as they do now? Can’t employers still provide health care? Isn’t the purpose of Universal Health care to provide health care for those who do not have health care through their employer or are unemployed, and do not qualify for government programs in place now? If, not, why can’t that be the Universal Health care plan. Let those who can pay for it, have that choice. Those who fall through the cracks but still have resources, such as home ownership will be covered without exhausting their savings or selling their home because they needed surgery, for example.
Posted by: Fingers | September 9, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm