In My Inbox Just Minutes After the Bailout Bill Went Down

We need to wipe the slate clean… It was a Republican President that screwed things up and him and all of his ilk must go!

*snicker*

Obama / Biden 2008
Peace

OK, How many Democrats voted against the bail out? YOU DIDN’T mention that in your comment. Doesn’t the democrats control the Congress? So what is the deal here, tell the democrats to shore up their own party to pass this bill, before throwing rocks in a Glass house.

Republican constituents don’t like this bill. Irresponsible people took out loans they couldn’t afford, the Democrats forced the banks to make the loans (just look it up), and Wall Street greed added fuel to the fire. Responsible taxpayers are expected to pony up $700 billion and why — so that banks will continue to make loans and America’s credit train can keep rollin’ on. Enough! Let the market work as it will and the chips fall where they may.

a dem. congrats to the 94 dems who voted no to this bailout. noone bails the middle class out and wall street sows what it reaps. thats free enterprise.

Good Lord! McCain needs to suspend his campaign, cancel the VP debate, and get back to his office and back on the phone in DC, stat!

McCain tried so hard to take credit and now Schmidt just made a fool of him…
What a joke…

NINETY FOUR DEMOCRATS VOTED AGAINST IT!! 94 Bill so bad a big MUD SANDWICH even the DEMS can not Stomach IT!!!!!

marylou: Where–EXACTLY–would we look up the “fact” that the Democrats forced banks to make bad loans?

How can Republicans face down Osama Bin Laden if they can’t take a partisan speech by the speaker of the house? Simple answer: They can’t. What a bunch of babies. “Nancy hurt my feelings! I’m going to cry to my mommy and take nap now. I want my banky!”

Deregulation was by far a republican mantra albeit some democrats wanted it too. Because Democrats did not fight back hard enough to change that mantra, both parties are complicit to this mess. Both parties negotiated and came up with the bad bill and it took both parties to bring it down. Thus both houses and both parties should share the blame equally for trying to pull the wool over the taxpayers eyes once again. Our government has been hijacked (both parties) by the constant prostituting of our elected officials by lobbyists. Down with lobbyists!

If anyone is dumb enough to think that George Bush is solely responsible for this current crisis, they don’t deserve the right to vote. If Obama, from his high horse, says one more time – ‘we shouldn’t be here to begin with’, he should lose the election on that alone. Finger-pointing makes him look like 5 year old, not the next leader of the Free World. Yesterday is past – the crisis is now, and we need the smart people in this country to propse multiple plans to get things back on track. Isn’t it possible that McCain and the rest of the nay-saying Democrats and Republicans actually believe this IS a bad thing and we need a different/modified approach?

Well, since some say this began b/cause of a bill under Clinton’s watch (w/ a repub congress), then this mess can be laid at the feet of the Repub administration. The buck stopped there.

So, Nancy Pelosi failed to show leadership in getting all of the Democrats to vote “yes”…..
No word on ABC. To be expected from a “news” site that is paid to place Obama campaign ads on it’s web site.
Day 27: How much is ABC paid by the Obama campaign to host web ads and how is that not a conflict?

listening to the conference on bloomberg radio. The repubs blew the plan up based on idealogy. One quoted”if we vote for this socalism won’t end”
Other repubs feelings were hurt by Pelosi’s comments and voted No.
These clowns don’t understand the entire economy is impacted here not just Wall St.
Once again the right wing extremists have messed up the country.

This will just kill McCain on leadership, the economy, etc. Voters just see a political opportunist who used a crisis to make himself look good. And then he doesn’t even deliver in the end with his own party.

Nancy Pelosi failed to get enough Democrat votes to pass the “Obama ACORN Money Grab Act of 2008″.
What a weak “leader” she is.
The Democrat party has more than enough votes to pass the Obama ACORN Bailout, but Pelosi couldn’t get enough of them to vote for it.

Obama said McCain deserved no credit for the bailout bill….
Once again, HE WAS RIGHT!

McCain now has an excllent reason to suspend the campaign once again and cancel the VP debate.

Perhaps it’s just a ploy so McCain can “suspend” his campaign again and Palin won’t have to debate Thursday.
Now that would be the first thing McCain did that makes sense.

the democrats are the majority they have 194 votes. 90+ dems voted against it.
thanks to john mccains presence on the hill otherwise the 3 page original bill would be law today. with no provisions.
pelosi get over the hurt and guilt trip and get back to work. and this time try a little diplomacy instead of partisan hysteria.
gotta go to work, bye folks.

Before McCain came back to DC the repubs had 4 votes for the passage of this bill, McCain rounded up 63 more votes. I would say that isn’t a failure. Perhaps Obama should have gotten involved and gotten 13 more votes then it would have passed. But alas O was too busy kissing babies and making nasty comments.

THIS mess started with the DEREGULATION ACT in the Carter administration that everyone without income or credit should be allowed to own a home, and then the government run Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were to insure these lousy loans! The Republicans tried to regulate this crisis in 2005 and the Democrats blocked the bill! Use to be to buy a home you needed three things: ten percent down, a stable work history, and a stable credit history and not spending more of your income than what you bring in! SOMEHOW this changed with this “housing act” and then you had people who could not afford to rent getting into mortgages with ARM’s…..NOW we are to bail out the investors who made these bad loans? AND Pelosi wants it to have all these federal earmarks for MORE unnecessary funding of risky mortgages? SHE is an IDIOT!

There are no Good Options.
Pass the bailout – Risk Taxpayers Money
Don’t Pass bailout – Lose your Jobs.
We know the problem:
Deregulation -> Subprime Mortages -> Foreclosures -> Unpaid Loans -> Insurance Bankrupts -> Banks Bankrupt
We Know or options:
Bailout -> Keep Industry rolling -> Out of control inflation -> Bankrupt Taxpayers
No Bailout -> Industry Fails -> Jobs Loses -> Depression

republicans/democrats killed the bill because we called them and demanded their heads if they did not provide provisions that protect us the tax payer. they responded thank you.

It’s easy to say let the chips fall where they may until you can’t get a loan or your 401-K loses half it’s value.No one likes the concept of a bailout but sometimes it’s necessary to overcome ideology and put the country first.Unfortunately, the conservative Republican house members are too worried about reelection and not worried enough about their country.

I know of no one who is willing to vote for Barak Obama after everything that came out about his involvement in this financial crisis. No wonder he wanted to stay away from Washington and put the emphasis on the debate. He’ll not walk away from this scandal unscathed. The American people are on to him big time. McCain will clean house in Washington. Our government has gotten way too big, and would get only bigger under Obama. He even said that he “suspended his earmark spending” when he was called on it by McCain in the debate, which means that he would only start it back up again as soon as possible. Millions of the taxpayers money for his earmarks. Did you see the look on Obama’s face when John McCain said we should curtail all spending in Washington. Obama looked like a shopaholic that just lost her credit card. We can not afford a Tax and Spend liberal at a time like this. And he has the most liberal voting record of anyone in the Senate. We the people will not stand for it.

“More than two-thirds of the House Republicans, as you likely know, voted against the bill, which went down, 205-228.”
Yes we know Jake because FOX news reported it first.

same team
same bologne
throw these bums out

McCain’s statesmanship got the bill this far and without the shameful ACORN payoff the Dems tried to sneak in. Pelosi’s “Democrats first” agenda sank it.

samhiguchi,
Who says McCain should even take credit for the 59 vote increase in the Republicans for the bill? You make it sound like the republicans are a bunch of sheep who will do anything McCain asks for. There were changes and compromises in the bill made in the close door (meaning McCain was not involved) meetings of the committee that may have swayed a number of the republicans and democrats one way or another. Also, to assume that just because Obama was not in DC that he was not talking to people to try to get a bill that would pass is naive. How can you say he was not on the phone when not on the stage or conducting email business with people in Congress.
The point of this article is that McCain’s campaign took credit for something that did not happen. He was not able to get enough Republican support for the bill in order for it to pass, which is what he said he would work to do.

I ;hope McCain heads back to Washington and KNOCKS HEADS. He needs to impress upon the House Reps that they need to be bigger than the partisanship that the Dems are showing– Pelosi is NOT helping matters with her remarks BEFORE the vote. Yes, the Republicans did not deliver 50% but the Democrats only delivered 60% of their members as well. Neither side should be proud of what has happened. And Schmidt did jump the gun, but his basic point that McCain helped bring more republicans into the fold is correct. Hopefully, McCain can now convince more of them to come along. This is one time that his ability to work across the aisle will not help, because no democrats will be allowed by their leadership to work with him this close to a crucial election. And its a damn shame.

i can’t believe some of you are actually demanding that they hurry up and rob us.
the day that obama supporters fanatically demand that a plan proposed by george bush must pass now will go down in history.
other ideas, and proposals will now come forth that will provide us more protection.
90+ democrats voted against it this was a bi-partisan defeat. the democrats did not have their own party on board.

tina: “So, Nancy Pelosi failed to show leadership in getting all of the Democrats to vote “yes”…..”
Typical Republican. You seem to think everyone belives it’s all a game, all about scoring a point. I can’t believe you honestly think it is BAD THAT DEMOCRATS WANT MORE THAN A BARE MAJORITY ON THIS.
This is nasty medicine, it is admirable that Democrats are willing to keep re-working it until they satisfy the representatives of as many Americans as possible.

This is the 1st time in my life I am truly scared. The bailout isn’t perfect but it attempts to stop a depression. There is no stopping the recession. America can recover from a recession, not a depression. Republicans are playing politics with America’s future. They want go against ideology to prevent a crisis. That is the real problem. They caused it and don’t want to pay the POLITICAL PRICE.

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Blame the Dems for trying to bail out the worst President in history.
Only in a Republicans mind.

Reread what you wrote, Mr. Tapper, and I noticed this time what I didn’t notice initially. You said that you got this in your mailbox moments after the vote. It quoted Schmidt from Sunday. I had thought you were saying that the republicans had sent it along, trumpeting a success that did not happen. Now I understand, I think. WHO SENT YOU THAT EMAIL? I assume it was the Obama camp, gloating? This is hardly the time to celebrate, regardless of your politics. So, please, Mr. Tapper, tell us who sent you that quote at that time.

I’ll happily live in tent and dumpster dive if it means the end of the republican party.
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Don’t forget your tetanus shot.
Pelosi and Reid could not get all Dems to vote for this stupid bill.

This how it works…
Most reps didn’t voted for it, so dems who are afraid of losing their seat voted against it.
The reps don’t want to take the burden of voting for an unpopular bill, so at the end we must all pay a much higher price..

Hey “concerned in OH,” do you know how to read? There was a deal UNTIL McCain got to the house republicans. He broke this, and he’s going to buy it, and there isn’t anything he can do to change that. the more he tries to be a great leader, the worse things get for him, and for us!

This bill is supposed to be bipartisan that’s why both candidates were on board. There should be no finger pointing, and no one take credit.
First Obama last Sunday said on Face the Nation that he deserves the credit and McCain doesn’t deserve any.
Second Nancy Pelosi spoke before the House (last one to speak) and made a political and campaign speech. She injected politics when the agreement was no politics. This is for the nation.
Nancy Pelosi should be ousted as Speaker.

Maybe Obama can ‘PHONE IT IN. “” and then give back the huge amounts of money he got from Fannie and Freddie !!

@Stephen Gianelli
NEWSFLASH: the Democratic party controls both houses of congress, and decisively the House (where the measure was defeated).
Any failure of passage therefore must be laid exclusively at the feet of Democrats.
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Gosh, wasn’t that the point of the republicans failing to vote for it in the house? so the they and McCain could blame the Dems? What do you think McCain was talking to his buddies in the house about? This is a political tactic that is hurting our economy. McCain is going down for this. In the words of Letterman, “This smells.”

Okay then. McCain get the blame no matter what happens. Dems have a MAJORITY. They could have passed it themselves. But, the fear of the upheavel at the ballot box squelched the support of those incumbatents. : ) pun mine.
Let the Blame Game begin.

There was a deal UNTIL McCain got to the house republicans.
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The Republicans in congress wanted MORE protection for the people and ACORN out. And while the new bill doesn’t have total protection, it is HEAD and SHOULDERS above Thursday’s plan.
The first time the House GOP leadership was allowed to be a full participant was in that White House meeting. John Boehner says that no one was giving the House GOP the time of day until McCain got involved.
But I think I’ve made clear to many of you that if it were not for John McCain supporting me at the White House when I said whoa, whoa, time-out, they would have run over me like a freight train.
Thank you John McCain

The culprits are primarily in swing districts. This isn’t about principle… it’s about going home and telling constituents that they “stuck it to wall street.”

“This crises was caused by Barney and the very idiots that are “bailing” us out. The Democrats have a lot of nerve. I am ashamed that I voted for them all of these years. It will never be my party again.”

the crisis wasn’t caused by “barney”
it was caused mostly by the years between 2000 and 2006
when lobbyists and spending for the wealthy and corporate greed went crazy…
the last 2 years has been trying to clean that mess up…while the same team that caused it…fought the clean up …
and now they continue to play some “feelings hurt” blow hard bologne
in the face of deregulation gone amuck.
stop the deregulation lobby is to blame first.
the same people who wrote mccain’s economic policies and platform.
this garbage about 12 people’s feelings being hurt because of Pelosi “caused them to not vote”

Dear Leenielamb -
It still amazes me that anyone can think one man has the power to create this big of a mess – you’re wrong in stating this is all George Bush’s fault. And if anyone thinks either Obama or Sen McCain can come in and clean house in one fell swoop, they are also mistaken. It’s ‘taken a village’ to create this mess and it will ‘take a village’ to get us out of it. Again, what can possibly be gained by finger-pointing at this critical time in history? Everyone needs to get over it and lets get on with it. We’ve all lost something and no one deserves to lose their job, their retirement, their home, etc. No doubt it’s obvious I’m a McCain/Palin supporter, but I’m not dumb enough to think that this duo has the power to change the world. But they are a starting point.

Question to Obamabot:
Have you read the bail out bill?
Answer: No.

No Obama will text you his opinion of the bill.

@Jimbo
The deregulation of the banking industry is all on the republicans. they filled their pockets with cash over the last 8 years and turned their backs on the American people. Please — buy a book, learn to read. Educate yourself.

Mccain
can’t get the republicans to back something he says they need to
how is that leadership.
is he going to say…Pelosi “offended” them so they voted on that instead of the welfare of the country?
throw these bums out …NOW!

“the last 2 years has been trying to clean that mess up…”

Harry Reid: REID: Is this pleasant work? No, it’s not pleasant work. Look what’s happening with the calls coming into our offices and the e-mails. People are very unhappy with what we’re doing, but we believe we have an obligation to the country and that is Wall Street and Main Street.
THAT IS RIGHT HARRY AND YOUR DEMOCRAT REPS ARE AFRAID THEY WONT GET RE-ELECTED AND THREW YOU AND PELOSI UNDER THE BUS

Thank you Mr. McCain. I was really hoping to send my daughter to a public college – but the odds of that are looking slimmer and slimmer everyday. The deal was ready to go – there was bipartisan agreement – and you flew to Washington in your private family jet and blew it. I imagine your children, in whichever of the five of six houses they happen to be in – will be very happy in their Ivy league schools.

Ryan – Rick Davis is still being paid on a monthly basis for the great lobbying work he did for the lenders. Even while he is part of the McCain campaign.

Any Bailout should include plans for CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of members of the HOUSE and SENATE who have had their sleazy hands all over this fiasco. Include previous administration officials, FreddieMac overseers, and anyone else involved in this GIGANTIC SWINDLE….

Thank you Mr. McCain. I was really hoping to send my daughter to a public college
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BETTER SAVE UP MARA JUST LIKE MY PARENTS DID TO SEND ME TO COLLEGE. TRY WORK STUDY PROGRAM AND ONE LESS CASE OF VITAMIN WATER FROM SAMS.

Okay then. McCain get the blame no matter what happens. Dems have a MAJORITY. They could have passed it themselves. But, the fear of the upheavel at the ballot box squelched the support of those incumbatents. : ) pun mine.
Let the Blame Game begin.
Posted by: DiceMan | Sep 29, 2008 3:50:17 PM
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Maybe you should read your own post, DiceMan. If your argument is that the Dems who voted against this did so because of the upcoming elections, what pray tell is the reason soooooooo many Republicans voted against it? Surely it couldn’t be for the same reason only in MUCH larger numbers. It’s their Pres, their bill, their SEC Chairman, their Treasury Secretary. If the Republicans were really putting “country first” and not “my job first”, they should’ve been the party with the higher number of “yes” votes. The bill sucks, and the need for the bill sucks even more. That being said, the Dems saw this as the lesser of 2 evils and voted for it anyway. The Republicans tucked their tails and slinked out of the room like a bunch of cowards.

Concerned in OH ” Lets go take this country back from these Do-Nothing Democratics.”
Wow. After all those years of a Republican President, annointed by a Republican Supreme Court in 2000, with a Republican Senate for many years, and a Republican House for many years, it’s the Democrats to blame.
That’s an incredible persecution complex you’re nursing there. What brought it out? The Democrats refusing to ‘oppress’ the Republicans and ram this bill through on their bare majority.
Your whining is not even internally consistent with the events of the last 6 hours, never mind the last 8 Republican Administration, Congress, and Court dominated years.

“Why couldn’t Obama and Pelosi get the votes???”

jimbo: “The house Republicans said that Pelosi gave a speech that turned them off totally”
Amazing. Is the Republican party sending kindergartners to Congress now? Their feelings were hurt so they want every retirement account, pension plan, and small business trying to meet payroll to feel their pain?

Nancy Pelosi right before the vote on the biggest bailout in American history…
on a vote that she needs the Republicans to vote “yes” on the bill; on the pre-vote “pep talk” to get the Republicans on board: what does this stupid, lying, idiot do?
Pelosi bashes Bush for his chaotic economic policies, and not continuing Clinton’s surpluses.
Nancy Pelosi doesn’t spout a word about 9-11; not a word about the Democrats who ran Fannie Mae into the ground and stole from it; not a word about Dodd and Obama and other Dems being the top money grabbers of Fannie contributions. She is a total, lying, incompetent, stupid, fool.
You want their votes so right before asking for them you rip them to shreds? Even if what she said is true – it isn’t and is non-inclusive – how stupid do you have to be to go rip them and their policies and their president?
She Nancy Pelosi has to be the worst Speaker ever…

You are wrong Cultural Amnesia.
We do not want to see an economic collapse. More people will lose their homes. People will starve. Some military folks have been saying that they are on alert in the event that riots break out.
This is not McCain looking out for us. This is not the GOP saving the day. These are selfish fools, Democrat and Republican, risking our modest lives so they can hang on to their jobs.
I agree Wall Street needs to be reigned in a little, but this needs to happen sensibly, not under the gun. We need to get our feet under us so we can act rationally.

Watch the you tube video “Burning down the House “and you will see that it is the DEMOCRATS that have made this huge financial mess

WOW…
That’s quite a difference from Obama’s call to “stay calm” on the failure to pass the bill.
Since the economic crisis became an urgent and center stage issue, McCain has lost ALL credibility as a Presidential politician. Plus, the GOP vote indicates that McCain is not able to lead even in own party in any direction.
He has as much credibility now as Bush has after 8 years of miserably failed GOP politics.

“We do not want to see an economic collapse”

Zaggs: “jhw, who is sending in the kids exactly? Demorats have been in hyperpartisan mode over this entire bill. ”
Please. This bill WAS REQUESTED AND DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION. It was the REPUBLICAN presidential candidate who tried to make it his own personal campaign commercial. It is the REPUBLICANS who have been in complete power almost 6 of the last 8 years.
And my reply was specifically aimed specifically at jimbo who said: “The house Republicans said that Pelosi gave a speech that turned them off totally”
Change the subject all you want, but Republicans are on record claiming they voted against an important piece of legislation because their feelings were hurt. Poor little babies should grow up and get back to work.

Belle… I know that American workers have been taking hit after hit since the late 1960s. It’s been a long slow slide for working people in this country.
But things can get worse for working people. I live in Michigan, I see, on a daily basis, just how precarious things are for working people.
Detroit, in the last few months, has gone from bad to worse. But we have not hit the bottom yet.

JHW, who didn’t invite house republicans into negotiations? Democrat leadership. Who kept saying a deal was made despite no talking to house republicans? Democrat leadership. who kept insulting republicans during the “negotiations”? Democrat leadership. Who said McCain needed to come back to Washington? Democrat leadership (and sec. Paulson. Yep McCain was called back he did not go as a “commercial” learn some facts idiot). Who when McCain said he was coming back immediately changed their minds and went on a partisan attack? Democrat leadership. Who lied about a deal being in place earlier last week? Democrat leadership. Who decided to set up an ambush at the white house meeting? Democrat leadership (with Obama playing the pivotal role). Who took a bill designed only for quickness of implementation and to scare everyone into action (as admitted by Paulson) and tried to hang every ornament they could from it (like ACORN and trial lawyers)? Democrat leadership. Who after abusing republicans day then decided not to make any of their ideas mandatory for protecting the tax payers? Democrat leadership. Who after all this decided minuted before the vote to spit in the eye of republicans even when they could not deliver their own caucus? Democrat leadership.
Democrats own this one.

Uh oh, Jake, your mask is slipping again.
SanFranNan is the MAJORITY leader. 40% of her caucus did not vote for this bill. She only needed 13 of them.
She is not a leader. If she was, she would understand that when you compromise with people, first of all, you have equal representation at negotiations. You don’t act like thugs. Then, when you bring it to a vote, you don’t club your opposition like a baby harp seal when you are trying to get them to pass your doo-doo sandwich.
Nancy Pelosi-EPIC FAIL!

“Nancy Pelosi doesn’t spout a word about 9-11″
You wanted Nancy to add to her speech the failure of the Bush adminstration to protect us on 9/11?
I thought you were miffed because the speech was unduly partisan?

And for all the “But we’ll die without this bill crowd”, why? 200 economists and alot of other intelligent people think its a bad idea.
Also what does this bill actually FIX? Does it do away with sub prime lending? Nope. Does it do away with the CRA that was forcing banks to make loans to people who alot of times could not afford them? Nope. Does it deal with the buying and selling of sub-prime mortgages? Nope.
Ooohh it reins in golden parachutes for some execs, yippe, such payouts didn’t cause this mess or even have a hand in it. it sets oversights for GSE supposedly……well they had oversight before, like the SEC and congress, whose chair will be part of that oversight and admitted their lack of oversight helped causes the problems. Congress who called such regulators racist before then they tried to do their jobs. Grand.
Its at best a temp solution so we can all do this dance again 30 years down the road.

Our House of Representatives listened to over 200 of America’s top economists and smart people of this country. They did what was right not what was fast and convenient and prosperous to the very rich. The fact that the House of Representatives rejected the bail out is awesome! Here is why. The bill was a just a band-aid that still benefitted the very rich and not the people. It was not a solution to the cause of the problem. This bill would only have postponed the inevitable to just after the next President is sworn in on Jan. 29, 2009. There are real solutions to the cause of the problems of the credit crises not even considered in this terrible fast paced 700 Billion dollar extortion bail out bill for the extremely rich people of this country and around the world.
In January 2009 the 7 trillion dollars in bad mortgage loans that the banks have reported will still be unpaid. Who knows how many trillion dollars of bad mortgage debt have not been reported by the banks. 700 billion dollars won’t even come close to paying for all of this debt. Financial melt down is inevitable. Let it happen now so true recovery can begin. Bush and his Cronies did their best to ram this 770 billion dollar pay off to the rich for making this mess down our throats.
Here is some interesting info. Bush and Chaney have recently purchased homes in foreign counties to for a speedy get away to live in after their terms are over in Jan. 2009. They didn’t want this economy to blow up on them while they were still in office. They didn’t want the blame for their very real immoral, unethical and most likely illegal actions. Yeah they got both.
One last fleecing of the American people was halted by our smart members of the House of Representatives who listened to the people and over 200 of America’s top economists. We can truly thank them for listening to us.
It’s time for the people to march on Washington DC peacefully in protest if they attempt to pass this fraudulent bill again. “The only thing to fear is fear itself.” (President Franklin D. Roosevelt Democrat) Make the members of the House of Representatives and the members of the Senate know they were hired by all of us who voted for them not just a few very rich people. Make them know we are their bosses not a few rich families. We the People: Demand REAL SOLUTIONS FOR ALL PEOPLE not for just a very few extremely rich people!

LOL, McBush is an IDIOT, pure and simple a complete and utter IDIOT!
Jiff

Isn’t it ironic that the Dems who have been telling us for 8 years how incompetent Bush is, rushed to jump on board with his economic rescue plan?

The results speak for themselves.
Heckuva job, McCainy!

Langs, the housing market is cyclical. When the prices go too high, people stop buying. So the prices go down. Eventually the prices level off and buying starts back up. And the prices rise again. It is simple Economics 101.
No one is to blame for that. That is the free market working exactly the way it is supposed to!
The current crisis, however, was due to too much government interference in the free market. The federal government pressured the banks to lend to individuals with low incomes–regardless of whether they could afford to pay the mortgage or not. If the banks didn’t give the loans they were subject to stiff penalties. To compound the crisis, these banks pushed flexible mortgage rates on these individuals. THAT is the real culprit in this crisis.
When prices got too high and the free market began to correct itself, the values of the homes dropped well below the balance on the mortgages. With fixed mortgage rates, the banks would have been forced to just ride out the correction. But instead, the flexible mortgage rates allowed the banks to jack up the mortgage rates. In many cases the homeowners saw their mortgage payments double and even triple. THAT resulted in hundreds of thousands of home foreclosures and left the banks hanging out to dry (so to speak).
While the Republicans are not blameless, the fact is that most of the blame is on the Democrats. Check out the article by the Investor’s Business Daily (posted Sept 15, 2008). It explains it very well. Google it!

Reminds me of when Bush Sr. failed to get NAFTA through congress, after which the ruling class put their weight behind Clinton.

‘Scuse me, that should have been “had the government not deregulated”.

Foreclosure, one day the history books will show that it was President Bush’s domestic policies that got us through the various hits that our economy took during his first 7 1/2 years in office–at least up to the current financial crisis. We will have to wait to see how that plays out.
The 2001 Bush tax cuts turned around the 2000-01 recession. The combination of the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts greatly diminished the effect that 9/11 and the corporate scandals had on our economy. Then we actually had 52 consecutive months of job growth (September 2003 through December 2007). It was the effects of the triple whammy of the slumping housing market, the subprime mortgage crisis and skyrocketing energy prices that caused the downturn in the economy. YET in spite of these latest hits to the economy, GDP actually grew the first two quarters of 2008: 0.9% growth in the 1st quarter and 2.8% growth in the 2nd quarter.
Now we have a real crisis on our hands. Government interference in the free market, lack of Congressional oversight, greed and possibly even some criminal activity have made a serious situation even worse.
I don’t know if the $700 billion rescue plan was the best plan. I think I would have preferred that the federal government guarantee the securities by purchasing insurance which would cost an estimated $50 billion. But the difference in that is the $50 billion plan would have cost $50 billion. The other plan could possibly end up resulting in some profits (depending upon how long before real estate values rise again). But either way, with the prices of homes now down considerably, there are millions of buyers almost ready to jump back into the housing market. But now there are no loans available. We need to free up the money quickly. And when that happens the federal government should offer incentives for individuals to purchase foreclosed and properties that are purchased (or insured) by the federal government, with agreements to live in the homes for at least 5 years.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHAT REALY STARTED THIS PROBLEM.AND ALL I ASK IS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS CAREFULY,AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE STATICS FOR BEFORE OUR WORK FORCE WAS SOLD OUT(THIS BY THE WAY WAS AMERICAS BEST SECRET WAS IT NOT)NAFTA.NO FIRST OF ALL A COUNTRY THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE FOR ITS SELF.DOES NOT SERVIVE.WE NEED TO MAKE OUR EMPLOYEES (POLITIONS).RECORDS WILL PROVE UNEMPLOYMENT,WALFARE,WARS.ANY WAY I THINK YOU ARE SMARTER THEN.THE POLITIONS THINK WE ARE.WE NEED TO START CLASS ACTION LAW SUITS OF TREASON FOR SELL US OUT. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE USING THEIR(POLITIONS/LAYWERS)SNAKE AGAINST THEM.LET WE THE PEOPLE USE THE TEETH OF THEIR SNAKE.WE NEED OUR COMPANYS BACK IN AMERICA,DID WE NOT HELP BUILD THEM.THE ONLY LAW THAT IS NEEDED IS THIS.IF ANY COMPANY WANTS ANY AMERICAN CONSUMER THEN IT WILL BE BUILT IN AMERCA,BY AMERICAN HANDS.AND FURTHER MORE.WE THE PEOPLE WILL NOT GIVE YOU TAX BRAKES OR ANY GIVE AWAY TO ENTISE YOU TO COME.YOU WILL MOVE BACK OR YOU(COMPANYS)WILL NOT GET THE CONSUMER OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY.NOW FOLLOW THIS WE AS A COUNTRY CAN NOT BREAK OTHER COUNTRYS.SO EVERY COMPANY WILL HAVE TO BUILD ALL OVER THE WORLD.AND COMPANYS STILL GET RICH.NO IMPORTS AT ALL FOR AT LEAST 20 YRS.WE THE CONSUMERS,TAX PAYERS,VOTERS HAVE THE POWER ESPECAULY NOW.THE SNAKE IS COILED LETS USE IT ON ITS HANDLERS.THEY ALL MADE THE LAWS THAT THE SNAKE CAME FROM NOW NOW.I FEAR FOR MY GRAND CHILDRENS LIVES.LETS DO THIS AND SHOW ALL OTHER COUNTRYS.WHAT OUR FORE FATHERS DIED FOR.WE NOW HAVE THE MEANS TO DO THIS PEACABLY AND WITH THE LAWS OF THE PAST.BEFORE THEY CHANGED IT ON US.THEY HAVE DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE DONT WE THINK.

Mike: Amen. I was told by my congressman today that the problem was that there was too much government regulation.

This crisis is only a warm-up for the social security crash which is directly ahead of us. As we all know it’s totally underfunded but all the politicians are looking the other way and we the people of this country continue to allow them to get away with it.

The Republican House just put the final nail in the coffin of Reaganomics and Trickle Down Capitalism. Additionally,
they have given the Dems a green light to construct and pass a bill that will be their worst nightmare.
Hats Off to the ‘deregulators’!

I am certain Senator McCain won’t make the same mistake twice. He would have brought more Republican votes to the event if he had known Pelosi couldn’t get more than 60% of the dems
Assuming that she was showing anything like leadership was a mistake
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