By Natalie Gewargis

Sep 1, 2008 1:26pm

Just Askin’…

What would the response be if Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and his wife Michelle had a pregnant unmarried teenage daughter?

– jpt

User Comments

Sorry to hear that, but congratulations.

Posted by: d0 | September 1, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

That’s easy. The right wing moralists would say he’s a terrible and immoral father, and if he can’t be trusted to raise a moral child then he can’t be trusted to govern this country.

Posted by: Callimaco | September 1, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Jake, you know what the reaction would be. Obama’s campaign would be over!! And the fact that Palin opposes sex-ed, birth control and choice makes this a legitimate issue.

Posted by: Yvonne | September 1, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Thanks for trying to put some perspective on this Jake.
I also asked myself what would the response be if any of the candidates themselves had been conceived by an unmarried teenager?
Life is short – let the small stuff go.

Posted by: lucky | September 1, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

Obama took his two children to Wright’s church. Obama made that decision. Sarah Palin didn’t make the decision for her daughter. The media is crossing a red line.
Obama took his children to hear how great hamas was, awards to farakkan, and how horrible Israel was.
Just askin Jake Tapper what would have happened if McCain took his children to such a hate filled place. A place that rose in joy as Hillary was being asked.
Just askin what would have happened if McCain did a home deal like Obama did when Rezko was under federal investigation for influence peddling by patrick fitzgerald.

Posted by: David | September 1, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

ah Jake
you KNOW the answer!
This is really a question of ambition on the part of Sarah Palin. What did she think would happen to her 17 year old 5 month pregnant daighter being thrust into the national spotlight?
Those preganancy rumors started in Alaska last April – long before any so called liberal bloggers picked them up
And the way Gov Palin refutes these rumors is to go public on her daughter’s pregnancy
Too many weird coincidences – is usually not a coincidence

Posted by: alison | September 1, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

Depends whether he had been out there advocating spending taxpayer money on abstinence programs in lieu of responsible sex ed.

Posted by: Liz | September 1, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

I think you know what the answer would be:
It would be rendered in slightly racial tones… and all the network news talkers would be asking if a man who cannot keep his family in line is ready for office.

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

Obama took his children to hear Rev Wright’s rants.
Obama did that.
Sarah Palin didn’t scar her children for life by taking them to a hate filled church.
You are comparing Obama doing something to her daughter doing something.
I hate the way the liberal media covers this election with every fiber in my body. Enough is enough.

Posted by: Dan | September 1, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

Like David said…
Democrats are treated by a separate standard on virtually every issue.
Look at how the right went after John Edwards and his family… even after he dropped out of the race.

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Or let’s imagine if Michelle Obama had a DUI like Todd Palin or if she had stolen drugs from her charity like Cindy McCain or if she was involved in an “accident” in which someone had died like Laura Bush. I think we all know the double standard that’s at work here.

Posted by: khal02 | September 1, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

If one of Michelle and Barack’s daughters got pregnant at 17, unwed, there would be direct questions if not inflamatory criticisms on the values the Obama family held in their household. I want the American people to be fair. You can NOT chastise Obama on his “lack of experience” and then turn right around and pick a VICE PRESIDENT with as little if not far less experience and say, “she is ready to lead this country.” Nor can you suggest you are trying to rally the conservative and evangelical base with a candidate who has a 17 year old, unwed, pregnant daughter. She is not a BAD person – just not the right person. This is McCain’s fault for choosing her, not hers.

Posted by: KAYV | September 1, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

I actually think this makes Palin a better candidate… if she uses it as a reality check.
I am sick of all these right wing blowhards talking against gays and blacks for their “immorality.”
Well, guess what, even straight, white Christian girls don’t follow the standards that the right wants to legislate!
So stop blaming Hurricanes on blacks and gays. And ask yourself… why, when you pray for rain to ruin the Democrat’s convention… why would God send a hurricane during yours?

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

Obama would make an excuse how society failed his daughter. Not take responsibility as a father. Blame the society. Say that if she had more sex education, blah, blah, blah. But take responsibility of being a role model for his daughter? Nah. That takes a village!

Posted by: Rebecca | September 1, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

The right would be attacking of course.

Posted by: Kathy | September 1, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Obama did cocaine, Sarah Palin never did that but lets get on todd palin.
Obama did crack. But lets get on Todd Palin drinking decades ago. Obama drove on crack.
Obama the cokehead and his supporters go after todd palin.
Sarah Palin never did crack like Obama.

Posted by: James | September 1, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

To be fair… Palin did take her kids to church. And I think most people would be surprised about what her preachers had to say about America. But I do think a white preacher can criticize the soul of our nation in ways that a black minister cannot.

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Obama did cocaine.
Sarah Palin never did cocaine.
So if you libs want to go after Todd Palin fine.

Posted by: Dan | September 1, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

Obama is somewhere right now smiling a broad smile. maybe he has a sly grin. This is a disaster for the GOP. But questions persist: How old is the boy? How do we know Bristol is 5 months pregnant? Will Sarah produce a birthcertificate for Trig?

Posted by: Kevin | September 1, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

You can figure out the answer to that question by looking at how the Republicans/conservatives have responded to other teen pregnancies (such as Jamie Lynn Spears). They claim there must be something morally deficient about the upbringing, etc.
I really hope conservatives use this opportunity to take a good look at reality: teen pregnancies happen to people of all races, ethnicities, religions, and economic classes. It happens because, no matter how much you tell your children to not have sex, biology is fighting you every step of the way. Comprehensive sex education is the only way to make sure that, while children know that abstinence is the only way to be 100% safe, they will also know how to protect themselves should they choose differently.
Best of luck to Bristol Palin. Even with all the support she is obviously going to have, being a mom at her age is going to be hard.

Posted by: Gretchen | September 1, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

Actually Sarah Palin did marijuana.

Posted by: Vanessa | September 1, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

You seem to forget that Obama himself was conceived out of wedlock. It hasn’t slowed him down.
Teen pregnancy is an unfortunate fact of life. Now that the news is out, the real question is will the blogsphere and the MSM give her any privacy?

Posted by: Barbara D | September 1, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Jake: You should be asking why a mother would expose her daughter to such ridicule for the sake of her political ambitions.People love to see the moral rightous fall. Her stand on sex education will only make the fall steeper.Her daughter doesn’t deserve this.I give her 2 weeks on McCain’s team. Bristol,best of luck and hold your head high.OBAMA 08

Posted by: linda n carolina | September 1, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Conservatives love to dish it out… but they never can take it.

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Looks like the Palins (Note: not just the wife but also the husband) really need to spend more time supervising their kids at home.
I was already wondering whether Governor Palin has any idea of what it takes to raise a kid with Down Syndrome. It demands a lot of work and attention and support and patience from both parents, not to mention the parents have three other kids at home (a son is now in the military).
I thought maybe she’s really very capable.
Now it looks more like a punctured fairy tale.

Posted by: Chris | September 1, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Now let’s ask Sarah why she was a member of the Alaska Independence Party which aim is to secede from the United States of America.

Posted by: doug | September 1, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

USmarine0331,
The difference is Obama’s mother wasn’t religious. The Palin family call themselves “committed christian”. Having a child out of wed lock is not of the Christian faith.
The fact that she has a daughter that’s pregnant and a child that’s 5 months and has down syndrome and she’s still running for VP tells you alot about her character, jugdement and where her priorities lie.

Posted by: Vanessa | September 1, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

they would politically annihilate the Obamas for not being able to manage their family values.

Posted by: nvmojo | September 1, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

Jake, Obama has already answered your question regarding his daughters:
“if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Just another day at the clinic, ya know.

Posted by: Don | September 1, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Repubs would try to destroy him.

Posted by: RJ | September 1, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Really… the point is… it doesn’t matter that her daughter got pregnant.
I do think people shouldn’t make an issue of it.
I do think it is unfair of McCain to take a poorly vetted candidate from a podunk town and slap her onto his ticket… without thinking about how devastating politics is for all involved.
With 2 kids under 5 and a third on the way, I would never put my family through the hell of a political campaign. Especially if I had a special needs kid.
After I saw how Chelsea and Hillary were treated… even with Bill’s soaring popularity… I would never do that to a little kid.
But I think McCain wants to win… so that was his priority.

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

Who give cares about the children of the candidates? Are THEY going to be running the country? Why can’t the media focus on what is here and now and how inexperienced Obama is TODAY!!

Posted by: Clarice | September 1, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

Obama would say–We are being punished.

Posted by: riley | September 1, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

Simple . . . the answer is that he would either be forced out of the race or would lose in a landslide.
Just another example of how abstinence only sex education has been a colossal failure. Hey Republicans–if you want to promote your own religious & fundamentalist views of sexual mores, promote it in your own home and quit trying to cram it down everyone else’s throats.
Best of luck to Bristol Palin [which is what Democrats do--support your ability to make your own choice in accordance with your own personal, moral, ethical & religious beliefs].

Posted by: Steve | September 1, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Don’t you just love the Republican’s family values? If that were Obama’s daughter, you had better believe that they would have a field day with it.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Believe it or not, Christians and Republicans commit sins, too, and our teenagers have hormones and make poor decisions just like other teens. One difference is that most will also take responsibility for their decisions and raise their child instead of killing it for selfish convenience. I think this shows that Palin has a very normal American family with very normal American situations. She’s real; she’s not a perfect, silver-spooned Washington insider and she can represent us ‘real’ Americans who go to work everday, battle to pay our bills and raise our kids. Teenagers sneak out of even the most strict homes to meet their partners.

Posted by: texasrose | September 1, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

If Obama’s daughter was pregnant she would either get an abortion or bring it to term, unless there was misfortune otherwise. Palin’s daughter is in the exact same circumstance. So what.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 1, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

If it was NObama’s daughter we would hear and see an upwelling of support for the ‘Single Mother’! After all that’s a position they have touted for years that single mom’s are a brave and needy group that should not be looked upon as somehow different. They have pandered to them for years for their vote but I guess it only counts if your a democrat. How liberal they are in their thinking and actions.

Posted by: Fred | September 1, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

From the right: self-righteous criticisms; from the left: vicious rumors. What do you prefer?

Posted by: Julian | September 1, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

It’s nobody’s business what the children of the candidates do. The personal lives of the current Pres/V.P. and the future Pres./V.P. really don’t belong in American living rooms. So is this the first white or black girl to get pregnant at 17? Can we hear about real issues like ACTUAL FACTS about the CANDIDATES and not their Aunt Tilly?

Posted by: Bobbie | September 1, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

great question jake. what kid of mother would put her daughter through the national spotlight during this time? this reflects badly on sarah and mccain (not on bristol – she’s just a kid who wasn’t taught the right family values by her mom who was too ambitious)

Posted by: farah | September 1, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

great question jake. what kid of mother would put her daughter through the national spotlight during this time? this reflects badly on sarah and mccain (not on bristol – she’s just a kid who wasn’t taught the right family values by her mom who was too ambitious)

Posted by: farah | September 1, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Jake, Obama has already answered your question regarding his daughters:
“if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Just another day at the clinic, ya know.
Don
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Don,
I think you’re being hypocrite as well. The answer Jake is asking about is not Obama’s but the one of the Right wing Republicans who think they have higher moral values than anyone else on this planet. Do you see how Dobson was so quick to speak about forgiveness? Think about Rush Limbaugh and Sean Insanity: what would they have said about this?

Posted by: Lance D. | September 1, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Better yet what would the Obamabots say if someone had been attacking the daughter and infant son of Obama for the last several days with a smear campaign? They would be out of their minds calling everyone racist and frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs. But because it’s them doing it, it’s ok.
Obama supporters are truely disgusting on the blogs and comments sections. It’s a big reason why many women won’t support him.

Posted by: s.b. | September 1, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

It’s nobody’s business what the children of the candidates do. The personal lives of the current Pres/V.P. and the future Pres./V.P. really don’t belong in American living rooms. So is this the first white or black girl to get pregnant at 17? Can we hear about real issues like ACTUAL FACTS about the CANDIDATES and not their Aunt Tilly?
Posted by: Bobbie
Huh, then why were there Republicans saying things about Chelsea Clinton? One thing I can say they brought their daughter up properly. One thing about her you never heard anything negative.

Posted by: J | September 1, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

If the Obamas had a pregnant unmarried daughter, I doubt it wouldn’t be a hidden family secret. The Palins were hiding their daughter in an attic, so to speak, which was the behavior of families in the fifties to unmarried pregnancies.

Posted by: kat | September 1, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Lance, I’m sorry if the quote that I posted from BHO got you upset.
Regarding “values”, it certainly is no secret which party is more against abortion. Is it? You’re free to attack me all you want, but you’re really not going to change the political or religious landscape. Carry on.

Posted by: Don | September 1, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Now Palin can add “Grandmother” to her resume’.
Plus will the new grandchild be born about the same time Palin is sworn in as the next Vice-President?
Congratulations and best wishes to them all.

Posted by: Sally J. | September 1, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

regarding your question jake-ah if it was obamas daughter she would have had an abortion (COVER UP) and we would not be having this discussion.
and if obamas UNWED mother whose father was married to antother woman had not decided to keep obama we would not be having this discussion either.
me personally i do believe in a woman’s choice. but i personally would NEVER kill my own baby.

Posted by: sonia trevino | September 1, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Excellent DON!

Posted by: irma | September 1, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

You have to hand it to the Republicans. They’ve got their sheep so well trained they will make excuses for anything the Republicans do. If a Dem’s daughter was pregant, it would be evidence of decadence. But one “Christian” tried to dismiss this event and authoritatively tried to say on one comment that we should remember that Jesus was born to an unmarried mother (which, of course, isn’t true)!
Democrats are sinful but Palin’s single daughter’s pregnant and Cheney’s daughter’s gay and Dubya’s daughter walked around nude in public. That’s all ok on the Religious Right because it’s not the sin, it’s WHO sins!
Democrats waste money on health care and veterans benefits but Palin supported a $233 million bridge to nowhere. That’s ok because low taxes are in vogue – even though our infrastucture’s falling apart.
If the Religious Right is correct in their assessment of the afterlife, a lot of them are going to be sitting in a very hot place for their hypocrisy!

Posted by: Mickey | September 1, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Typo: If the Obamas had an unmarried teenage pregnancy, it wouldn’t be hidden. What does it say about Palin and her husband that they went to such lengths to hide it? So far Palin doesn’t score high marks for honesty on the personal and political levels. I find myself wondering if she’s going to be able to stay around much longer.

Posted by: kat | September 1, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

We wouldn’t be taling about it as they would be marched off for an abortion. I don’t really care as I am pro choice and against Obama.
McCAIN/PALIN ALL THE WAY

Posted by: Debra | September 1, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Don,
I was not attacking you. You knew full well what Jake meant by his question, and pretend otherwise.
My hope is that some day, the shadowy influence that religion has on American politics will disappear. This has always been the main reason why Republicans win elections.

Posted by: Lance D. | September 1, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Believe me, Dems should leave this alone. Barack Hussein was conceived THREE MONTHS before his mom Anne married B. Hussein Sr……so life happens.

Posted by: Debra | September 1, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

i have never heard the right use the fact that obama himself is the product of an unmarried mother used against him. i have never heard that used as a campaign tactic, or otherwise in any way.
to just assume that his daughters would be smeared is a bit of a stretch.

Posted by: sonia trevino | September 1, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

You’re all wrong. First the ultra-conservatives would claim that Obama didn’t pass the values he supposedly holds to his children.
But Obama would then respond with:
Race baiting
Proving he doesn’t really support abortion personally, since his daughter is having her child
Then you’d see Obama say McCain himself is a racist.
I think the Obama campaign would spin this quite well!

Posted by: JA | September 1, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

“My hope is that some day, the shadowy influence that religion has on American politics will disappear.”
Indeed. Those founding fathers were shadowy creatures.

Posted by: Don | September 1, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

just asking; while we are on the topic of candidates children-i remember the way hillary’s daughter was disparaged, and harassed every time she spoke by the very types that cast stones against palen’s daughter now.
common thread? yes they are all women.
hillary supporter.

Posted by: sonia trevino | September 1, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

Debra, I don’t know your knowledge of biology but Obama was born 7 months after the marriage. So being conceived three months before the marriage is a bit of a stretch. Don’t you think?
But the problem is not being conceived out of or in wedlock. It’s the difference in attitutde between Reps and Dems about these issues.
Palin/McCain/Reps are supporters of abstinence-only education. Obama/Biden/Dems are not. And this episode is another example that it simply doesn’t work. This pregnancy wasn’t planned and from the wording in the press release, it is obvious that they think Bristol and Levi are too young to be with child.
Palin is anti-choice yet clearly thought Bristol had a choice to keep the baby. IOKIYAR?

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 1, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Willem,
I think the message is this:
Democrat sins are threats to national security and unforgiveable.
Republican sins are personal and forgiven.
End of story.

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

“My hope is that some day, the shadowy influence that religion has on American politics will disappear.”
Indeed. Those founding fathers were shadowy creatures.
Don
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What does the influence of Evangelicals on American politics has to do with the founding fathers. Nothing! Absolutely nothing!

Posted by: Lance D. | September 1, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

I’m conservative, but not so much so that I would say the parents of a pregant teenager were bad parents.
It happens to all kinds of people, of every part of the country, of every religion, of every class and rank, of every color. That’s life. To make a case of this is just embarrassing.

Posted by: Randy | September 1, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Palin goes to a dominionist church… she definitely believes that Christians have a duty to impose Biblical law over all people. It is totally inconsistent with our form of government.

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

Lance,
Just a suggested reading assignment: “Signers of the Declaration of Independence”, George F. Cooledge & Brother.
I highly recommend it.

Posted by: Don | September 1, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Obama’s mother had him when she was 18, and she and her husband abandoned the child Obama.
Palin’s family didn’t abandon the Bristol’s kid, they showed the love, forgiveness, support.
What a big difference!

Posted by: golfgirlusa | September 1, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

obama would get rid of it
“Be punished with a baby” – Remember??
Let’s not forget – obama was born to an UNWED mother!
These comments are a DISGRACE!
Don’t throw stones – we can & will throw right back!!!!

Posted by: Abby | September 1, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

The reaction from whom?
The Moral Majority and Christian Right would blame Michelle for being a working mother instead of spending her time 24X7 with her children.
‘Family values’ would be questioned, and these people would dig up every ‘inappropriate’ photo they could find of the daughter dressed in typical teenager clothing and having fun with her friends. They’d paint her as an out-of-control teenager, and Barack and Michelle as out-of-touch, unaware and not caring parents. The underlying message would be ‘bringing ghetto values to the White House’.

Posted by: Tom J | September 1, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

I love how people love to speculate about Obama would kill his grandchild…
but then howl with outrage about how mean people are to Palin.

Posted by: blip | September 1, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

The land of the hypothetical is the province of fools.

Posted by: Don | September 1, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

‘sonia trevino’, I suggest you refresh your memory about the ‘joke’ McCain made about Chelsea Clinton and Janet Reno. It might stop you from putting your other foot in your mouth.

Posted by: Tom J | September 1, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Palin is not the only one who thinks that Bristol had a choice to keep the baby or not.
McCain has said similar things in 2000, when asked if his daughter got pregnant: it would be a “family *decision*”. He followed that up with:
“The *final decision* would be made by Meghan with our advice and counsel,” McCain said, referring to himself and his wife, Cindy. When reporters suggested that this view made him, in fact, pro-choice, McCain became irritated. “I don’t think it is the pro-choice position to say that my daughter and my wife and I will discuss something that is a family matter that we have to *decide*.”
Decision implicates choice. He and Palin are clearly pro-choice for themselves and their own families but anti-choice for others. That’s the hypocrisy. They think they can make wise decision for themselves but they don’t trust you to make your own.

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 1, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Egad, the ring wing nut jobs would go absolutely berserk!
Comments demanding to know who the BABY MAMA’S BABY DADDY was, and how can it be that someone running for the highest office can’t keep track of his own family, etc. etc.
The manufactured outrage would be palpable, and of course the racism would come to the surface.

Posted by: ChrisNBama | September 1, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

If Palin resigns as nominee, it’s more likely to be because her links to the Alaska Independence Party and/or its people turn out to be true:

Posted by: Tom J | September 1, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Repulsive?? Yes, its “shocking, shocking” to think or speculate that the GOP and their base on the religious right would take an opportunity to impugn the moral standing of Democrats or the “left.” Shocking, I say, inconceivable.
Seriously, now, the point is that this country has had to listen to the endlessly hypocritical and self-righteous blather of the right for a decade even as their political icons fall one after another to scandal and the inevitable messiness of being human. The Democrats are equally fallible; they just don’t pretend to be “holier than thou.”

Posted by: cameotoo | September 1, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

It wouldn’t be covered. It doesn’t fit the agenda to get him elected.

Posted by: Irish Gal | September 1, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

To answer you question: undoubtedly, Dobson would be all over the airways holding up the Obamas as the proof of the moral decline of America.

Posted by: Rick | September 1, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Let’s see, if this were the Obama’s it wouldn’t even be talked about. They sat in that black liberation church for 20 years and he said that he didn’t even think the church was controversial and the left didn’t say a thing.

Posted by: Ron | September 1, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

It would be no different if it were the Obama’s.

Posted by: Susan | September 1, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

if it were the Obama’s with a teenage daughter having a child there would be a press field day. we would here about statistics of black teenage pregnancy & the like. you guys would be talking about how this is relevant not how the McCain camp needs to tread lightly on the subject

Posted by: Eddy | September 1, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Oh, I don’t know what their response would be but they would probably understand that these things happen. At least we didn’t carry on outside the Dem convention and kept it peaceful. I just saw the Obamazombies young kids protesting, destroying public property, getting arrested, etc. Aren’t you glad we didn’t behave like that when the Dems had their convention? You guys act like wild animals! It’s disgusting. You attacked Hillary supporters and ran us down during the primary season and now you have your crew in at the GOP convention getting arrested, etc.

Posted by: Mary Anne | September 1, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

to Mary Anne,
can you republicans in hillary’s clothing please go away now? i’m tired of you phonies. you’re a republican just admit it. stop trying to pass yourself off as a democrat & hillary supporter. please the sideshow is over.

Posted by: Eddy | September 1, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

What a disaster this pick has turned out to be … The idea that McCain would place someone who was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska less than two years ago a heartbeat away from the Presidency is shameful and an outrage.
If GOP supporters were not fact-immune follower automatons, they would see the plain truth of that fact. Palin is in no way ready for prime time. And certainly not for the Presidency of the United States.
And I could care less about her pregnant daughter. Although I have to love the indignation coming from the GOP sheep about this considering how hey clucked with glee over Chelsea Clinton and other examples. Hypocrites.
There are at least half a dozen women GOPers whou would be better suited for this position, Liddy Dole, KB Hutchison, Jodi Rell, Condi Rice, etc.
This proved that Putting Country First is a political slogan, McCain is a tired, old liar.

Posted by: Mario | September 1, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Oh, and David? Ever hear of the Keating five? I match your Rezko and raise significantly.

Posted by: Mario | September 1, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Eddy,
I love how you guys always say it would be a press field day if it was Obama, wah, wah, wah… Yet you and your brainless leader had no qualm about sexually bashing Hillary Clinton day after day, after day. when the press started to scrutinize Obama he was on a plane going somewhere and said he thought it was unfair that they were so intent and checking into his history, etc. How would he have liked to have been Hillary and have that done to him every single day. Get over it! They’d have a press field day! You’ve got to be kidding to even make such a comment. What was it that Bill Maher said about the press and Obama? They fawn over him so badly it is like they want to have sex with him. Just because it is now the general election and now Obama can’t wave his wand and get everything and everyone to go away you start crying the blues. If he can’t take it and you can’t take it than he shouldn’t have run. What did they tell Hillary? It’s politics, that’s the way it is. But you can bet your boots if she evened the playing field and starting jumping on him constantly about his race everyone would have been screaming bloody murder. Another case of Obama and his groupies saying do as we say and not as we do. Good riddance! I can’t wait until that elitist sexist pig Obama is defeated in November.

Posted by: Mary Anne | September 1, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Lance,
Just a suggested reading assignment: “Signers of the Declaration of Independence”, George F. Cooledge & Brother.
I highly recommend it.
Don
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Thanks for suggesting. I am certainly not versed in American history as you do, but I still think that believing in the destruction of Israrel as a way of redemption–and seeing any heightening of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a sign of return of the Christ–as anything to do with the founding fathers.

Posted by: Lance D. | September 1, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Well, since Obama said he supports abortion rights because he wouldn’t want his young daughter be stuck with a ‘mistake’, then I guess he’d take her for an abortion, right?
Now, if he tried to keep that a secret, and the right-wing press and bloggers tried to pry into it, how would YOU react.

Posted by: Mike S | September 1, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

That is easy…
1. The MSM will be all over ther story
2. Statistics of black teenage pregnancy will be all over the news
3. Religious right will be all over the story
4. Right wing echo chambers, columnists and talk radio hosts, will be all over the story.
5. Jake Tapper will report on it on ABC news
6. Drudge report will be all over it

Posted by: Bee | September 1, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Obama’s campaign would have collapsed. The media and right-wing would have field day. Yet, since this is happening to a Republican, everyone all of sudden feels compelled to respect their privacy.
Obama released a statement saying to “BACK OFF” and I agree. That demonstrates class! Unfortunately, I doubt he would have received a similar class act if the situation was reversed.

Posted by: mysteryegg | September 1, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

More trouble for Ms Palin:
“Palin Served As Director Of 527 Group Called ‘Ted Stevens Excellence In Public Service, Inc.’”
McCain is opposed to 527s.
And a group supporting Ted Stevens? I thought she was a ‘reformer’ and stood up to the Alaskan Republican Party-bosses?
Hmmmmm
What more will we find? I guess she’s out befóre the end of the week.

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 1, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Mary Anne,
PUH-LEEZE!
1. give me one concrete example of Obama himself or one of his main advisers saying something sexist about Hillary.
2. if you think McCain is going to win, than i’ve got a bridge i’d like to sell you.

Posted by: Eddy | September 1, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

By the way, that abstinence-only education that Palin supports sure worked out well for her daughter there.
Also, pointing out that her daughter didn’t CHOOSE to have an abortion seems kind of odd, since McCain and Palin want to take away that choice altogether and let the government decide for you.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

I’m really shocked at the assumption that everyone who is pro-choice would abort an unexpected pregnancy, or one that would lead to a child with a disability. I’ve got news for you: you’re in a lot of trouble if you think all women think like that. I am pro-choice, and staunchly so, but I would never have an abortion. Why? Because I would never judge anyone else (I think I read that in the Bible somewhere?)

Posted by: Jen | September 1, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

Why are people so focused on this and not on:
- Palin’s outright lie on her stance on the bridge to nowhere
- Palin’s outright lie on her relationship to Ted Stephens?
- Palin’s appearances on the Alaskan Independence Party convention?
- Palin’s lies in the troopergate scandal?

Posted by: joe | September 1, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

“Question: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
The pledge, of course, was not written until 1892 and the words “under God” were not added until the 1950s.

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | September 1, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Why posit this question?
However, in response, the Dobson and conservatives factions would hold him and the family up to the most viscious ridicule imaginable. Rush, Hannity and others like them, would be expressing glee and excitement for such a “gift” for the Republican campaign.
They are most hypocritical folk in this country. I pray everyday that this country will survive and move forward in spite of their mean, harsh, disrespectful rhectoric.

Posted by: marian | September 1, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

it would have been a non issue if it was obama
for instance it was non issue that obama’s father was polygamist.
more relevant question is whether this would be an issue if palin was a man? no.
statment that this proves palin is selfish in fact implies that a woman should stay home and look after babies and teenage daughters and give up jons etc. that betray so called obama fans sexism
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btw initial rumors about this propagated by obama supporters at daily kos and andrew sullivan were as disgusting as rumors that obama is a muslim . but how many of you protested ?

Posted by: sfernando | September 1, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

McCain’s decision is a disaster …Could it be that grand Ayatollah of Republican Party imposed Palin on McCain?

Posted by: Bee | September 1, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

JPT: OK, let’s play the “what would the response be” game some more. Imagine if Obama’s VP pick claimed executive and readiness for the presidency based on six years as part-time Mayor. One visual is all they’d need. Have we seen this on ABC news yet?

Posted by: teth | September 1, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

We’d never know about because the baby would be aborted.

Posted by: KB | September 1, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

I have never seen such ugliness as I’ve seen coming out of the mouths of Democratic men. Thanks for proving my point — the party is filled with mysogynists.

Posted by: Peach | September 1, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

He would be called unAmerican, of course!
True Americans who put their country first are the only ones fit to be parents!

Posted by: cincyr | September 1, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

He would be called unAmerican, of course!
True Americans who put their country first are the only ones fit to be parents!

Posted by: cincyr | September 1, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Hypocrisy, thy name is Sarah!
Somewhere, Mitt Romney’s head is about to explode. The number two pick of the GOP primary gets passed over because McCain wants to pick an un-vetted Spears-Family-On-Steroids person he met for fifteen minutes because the GOP is more interested in their Soap Opera Saga than in a “competence” meme.

Posted by: Jackie | September 1, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

IF YOU CAN’T RUN YOUR HOUSE, YOU CAN’T RUN THE WHITE HOUSE. Period!

Posted by: Diamond | September 1, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

Obama said: “I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.”

Posted by: ObamaFriend | September 1, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Jake, you already know the answer to your question. Hurricane Gustav would have taken a backseat to the story. You and your peers would be running it loop after loop, and questioning the Obamas’ values all way down to their first generation.
But Jake, here is one for you and ABC and the rest of the press, what would you guys have been saying if Barack Obama had chosen someone with the exact background as Sarah Palin? Honestly, by now, Barack Obama would have been demeaned, denigrated and called every name in the book. For starters, one can already hear that it was his first executive decision, and he flubbed.
I know it is difficult for you guys to see it, but for those of us watching from the outside, the coverage between Obama and McCain is pretty darned one-sided. The double standards in McCain’s favor stinks to the high heavens.
Today, everyone is giving McCain Kudos for going to the Hurricane zone to talk about the disaster. Give me a break. You guys don’t see the politics of it all. During Katrina, he and Bush were eating cake. He voted against every bill to help the people of Katrina, yet he gets a pass.

Posted by: saybah | September 1, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

The republicans are LIARS, BIG FAT LIARS
This proves this woman and her abstence oonly does NOT work
McCain had his 3 am test and FAILED
he put Politics first and country LAST
Plus this woman is linked to Stevens

Posted by: Time to vote for BARR | September 1, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

Maybe this has gotten some mention already, but…can you imagine the reaction from the right if it had been Chelsea Clinton who was the pregnant teen a few years back? There would have been such a hue and cry about what horrible parents the Clintons were, and it would have been taken as prima facie evidence of same.
I don’t think this necessarily reflects poorly upon Mrs. Palin, who seems like quite a decent sort of person, if hopelessly underqualified for the office for which she is nominated. Maybe in a few years, but not yet. Sorry John.

Posted by: Blaine | September 1, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Is this going to be a regrettable choice for McCain? I don’t think so….
First, she does have the fundie credentials – she’s against abortion (and sex ed), against gay marriage, against your soul unless you have given it to her particular brand of god, etc.
She very well have been pregnant when she got married. Keep in mind that it was 20 years ago – AKA, a “youthful indiscretion,” and that the GOP consider “youthful indiscretion” a valid excuse for an act done by one of their own in his 40′s when the guy is in his 50′s.
So her kid got pregnant – that just proves that everybody is subject to their version of sin, and that with their version of god on their side they can overcome that sin.
The most troubling thing they will have to deal with is the abuse of power. Now, folks with a decent head on their shoulder will recognize that her acts towards her ex-brother-in-law are scary.

Posted by: Tom Woolf | September 1, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Debra… Barack’s a good man; McCain’s a good man. This question is about a hypothetical, and everyone knows that folks like Rove, Rush and Hannity would try to destroy Obama if the roles were reversed. That is all they do: inject mean spiritedness into every conversation they have

Posted by: jake | September 1, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

I can’t wait for someone to ask Sarah Palin if she still supports abstinence only sex-ed since it worked out so well for her own daughter. Just get the kids married and everything will be alright.
Sarah Palin needs to be in Alaska taking care of her own house, she has no business trying to take care of mine. Her own daughter proves how stupid her right-wing, ideas are. At this point I wouldn’t put this hypocritical woman in charge of a dog shelter. Go home Sarah, your daughter needs you more that the rest of America. And get your other daughter some birth control while you’re at it.

Posted by: emme | September 1, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

He would be slaughtered in the press. There would be a constant sneering discussion about those terrible “liberal” family values and the fact that Michele Obama ever worked outside the home would have made her guilty of her daughter’s demise. There would be endless and heartlessly personal discussion about the father, the age of the father and questions asked about statutory rape. I am a Mom and a professional. I’m the primary breadwinner for my family and I run a business. But, in all honesty, my family comes before me and if I had a daughter, pregnant while she was still a child herself. I would never, never, never expose her to the National press for my own personal gain. Never. I think Ms. Palin shows deep personal flaws in choosing to subject her young daughter to this kind of scrutiny. I hate to be the one to say it but this young woman needs a mother right now.

Posted by: Ignatious | September 1, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Re Mary Anne and her “Another case of Obama and his groupies saying do as we say and not as we do. Good riddance! I can’t wait until that elitist Obama is defeated in November.”
another reason I question not having the trimester limitation expanded to the say.. 160th.

Posted by: Kelly Scott | September 1, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

I don’t feel inclined to cast stones at the Palins for having a pregnant teenaged daughter; I have too many friends who’ve been in the same boat. But for crying out loud, this woman now has a 4 month-old infant with Down’s Syndrome *and* a pregnant underaged daughter. Does she really need to be running for national office, too? Speaking only for myself, if *I* were in that position, and just holding down my normal, average, not all that exciting, day job, I know I’d feel like I was stretched about as thin as I could handle.
This whole thing just gets more and more absurd, every day.

Posted by: Anne | September 1, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

The commenter who wrote:
* * * * * * * * * * * *
“But, in all honesty, my family comes before me and if I had a daughter, pregnant while she was still a child herself. I would never, never, never expose her to the National press for my own personal gain. Never. I think Ms. Palin shows deep personal flaws in choosing to subject her young daughter to this kind of scrutiny. I hate to be the one to say it but this young woman needs a mother right now.”
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
has got it right, I think. Not to mention the 4 month old baby.

Posted by: Bartelby the Scrivener | September 1, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Most conservatives I know would wish the daughter and her child well, and express pleasure that she chose to have the baby.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right | September 1, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

Most commentators are men, so I know this is going to be hard for you guys to follow, but a woman does not get on a plane and travel when her water breaks — she goes to a hospital. There is something rotten in Alaska, and it’s not just the garbage can’s outside the canneries. The doctor who delivered sarah’s baby is a friend that she named “Doctor of the Year” and appointed to an Alaska health commission. I’m not a reporter, but that looks just like a payoff to me.
Also, Bristol was out of school for 5 months with mono! If this is true, it must be a drug resistent strain. This needs to be followed up by the media and the CDC. But she was also given three citations for traffic violations over this 5 months. What’s really going on here? Who the heck are these people?

Posted by: robin | September 1, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

What if it wasn’t an Obama daughter that was pregnant at 17? What if it was a poor Black or Hispanic girl who lived in the projects and whose family didn’t have one-tenth of the resources (both economic and non-economic) to help her that the Palins have to help their daughter? I don’t know what Gov. Palin would say, but I know what her advocates on the religious right would say: “Just another example of how Godless liberal policies mix with lower class values so poor (read: minority) girls get pregnant just so they can collect welfare checks. We need more good Christian family values, not liberal give-away programs.” Don’t believe me? Just read Ann Coulter, James Dobson, and their cronies. The most hypocritical two-faced people on the face of the planet. Good luck to Gov. Palin and her daughter in dealing with life’s difficulties. May this episode teach their supporters a little compassion and true charity towards others. Goodness knows, they could all use it.

Posted by: Charlie | September 1, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Jake,
I love your question because it turns the light back where it belongs. It’s a brave question because you, like us know the answer. I hope Gov. Palin and her family get through this tough time as best possible. I also know you know what the storyline would be if one of Obama’s girls was pregnant, guess we are not quite as far as we thought.
Thanks for asking the tough question!

Posted by: Bill Ohio | September 1, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

“I have never seen such ugliness as I’ve seen coming out of the mouths of Democratic men. Thanks for proving my point — the party is filled with mysogynists.”
You don’t know many Republicans, do you?

Posted by: Leonard Tamulonis | September 1, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

What’s this about Obama and his wife “scarring” their children by bringing them to a “hate filled” church?
Nonsense. Even a fool can see that the Obama’s are a deeply loving and together family. Kids follow their parents and peers, not their preachers.
Wasn’t it Rev Jerry Falwell who said that America deserved 9/11 because of liberalism? The churches of Falwell and Robertson resounded with far more hate than that of Rev Wright. Hatred of gays and liberals, and people who are not “one of us”. McCain used to consort with Rev Hagee until he was forced to admit the preacher’s crude anti-Catholicism.
BTW, this epsiode shows McCain’s political judgement in a disastrous light. He allowed himself to get starry-eyed about how much good a pretty young right-winger would do for his image, ignoring the personal baggage she carried with her.
Contrast that with Obama’s cool and rational process of elimination to come up with Joe Biden, and the months long vetting process it took. McCain’s choice is looking like an ad-hoc attempt to capture the news cycle after Obama’s speech.

Posted by: toby | September 1, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

I feel sorry for Bristol. If her parents were committed to giving her all the support she needs, her mother would not have chosen to run for VP.
One might even question the judgement of someone who thinks they can balance the love and care a small baby needs with campaigning. I don’t know what decisions their family makes, but it is interesting that the Obamas say that they could not have had Senator Obama run for President if his wife’s Mother had not been available to join with them in care for their daughters.

Posted by: doro | September 1, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

This same question could be asked about if Cindy’s drug problem had been Michelle’s or if Obama had cheated on and then dumped his disfigured wife for a younger, richer woman.

Posted by: Chris | September 1, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

What would happen if McCain was friends with terrorists, racists, and criminals like Obama is? Just askin’.

Posted by: Cory | September 1, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can’t tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.

Posted by: anna | September 1, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Ellen705 i agree parents should be responsible for their children-so how could obama raise/baptize his young impressionable children in the wright church. imagine the trauma growing up hearing your nation is evil. that is very conflicting for a child.
hillary supporter

Posted by: sonia trevino | September 1, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

WHO is the father of this girl’s baby?? Some sites report he’s twice her age? Is that true??? If its such a blessed event and everyone is so happy, why didn’t they already get married? Why not announce their engagement? There are still more questions than answers. McCain’s top two advisors still refuse to say when McCain found out, even in response to DIRECT questions? One can only assume he found out AFTER he announced her? What else will crop up? Already today, Palin’s announced her unwed teenage daughter is pregnant, Palin has hired a lawyer to defend her in the TROOPERGATE scandal … what is next?? Why did the GOP pick the “soap opera” meme instead of the Romney “competence” meme?

Posted by: Jackie | September 1, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

I believe Obama was right in his statement that families are off limits. Obama has two daughters of his own and we don’t know the future. We always hope they do the right thing but we can’t always be behind them. If one of Obama’s daughter’s I would say the same as he did about families being off limits. And we shouldn’t be quick to critize her daughter because its going on every day of the week. Palin is running for the VP not her family. What is important is the issues we are facing today and how we can make changes. Her daughter’s pregnancy is not important. That’s a family matter. I am not an Obama fan but I thought his answer to the question asked was the right one. I listen to the Maury show and there are young women that have babies out of wedlock and don’t know who the father is. Sometimes they have to test two thru 8 men for one woman. Palin’s daughter knows who the father is and she is going to marry him. I wish her good luck.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 1, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

You people are the biggest hypocrites…if the tables were turned this would be a MAJOR Family value issue. You people will fabricate a story against OBama but give Mccain a free pass… Funny how republicans can preach to the chior about purity and family values but the reality is you are human just like everyone else. You judge Barack to this super human standard but give your own corrupt party members a free pass no matter how low they will go…

Posted by: heidi | September 1, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

Sarah is not responsible for raising her daughter’s child. Her daughter has that responsibility. It doesn’t matter who the father is because we don’t know him anyway and its not our business. Our business as voters is to choose who we think is the right candidate to run this country and what changes are they going to make. As I stated prior teenage pregnancy is going on every day of the week, many teens are killing their babies, dumping them in the garbage or trying to drown them in the toilet. That will not happen in the Palin house. And the teens that are trying to kill their babies will get pregnant over and over again. They plain sluts to me.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 1, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

alison: People should stop worrying about Palin’s daughter Bristol and her pregnancy. Who cares? As long as it isn’t your daughter why worry about someone else’s. I don’t care if she never marries the man or has another child. Palin is the one chosen for VP not her daughter. Palin’s daughter is not in politics and its a family matter not the concern of the media or the public. No one should be shocked at her daughter having a baby out of wedlock. I am sure many of your friend’s if not relatives are doing the same.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 1, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

I am sure that Rush would have something to say>

Posted by: Thinking | September 1, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

Ellen: You can talk to your daughter all you want. Do you know what their going to do when their outside? I don’t think you do. No one knows what their daughter is going to do. Aren’t you aware that there is a University that approves of boys and girls in the same dorm? Where have you been. Apparently your not up to standards of what is going on or your pretending you don’t know. I am sure you know people whose daughter is in the same situation plus you know its goes on every day. Let’s not kid ourselves.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 1, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

If it were one of Obama’s daughters and they made the decision to keep the baby, the Republicans would be all over it. When young white women get pregnant and decide to keep the baby they are doing the right thing. When you black women keep their babies, according to the rhetoric you hear from a lot of people on the right, they are doing it to collect a welfare check.

Posted by: Laura | September 1, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Like Rezko, the Obama house purchase, how much money Sen. Obama has made SINCE becoming a US Senator, how many bulk purchases of his book there have been, Biden and plagarism – the tough questions are only asked of Republicans and not Democrats. Wonder why that is?

Posted by: Stevereno | September 1, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Fair question Jake. We all know where this story would end up. I cannot fathom why knowing what the current media environment is Ms. Palin would subject her family, her daughter specifically, to this. This did not happen while Ms. Palin was running – she knew this and still accepted Sen McCain’s profer. It is utterly irresponsible of her and is again another reason that McCain’s judgement should be called into question.
Not all Republicans or conservatives are excited by the selection of Palin and many are hoping that the convention nominates Romney this week. Remember when Rush, Hannity, etc. were slamming McCain in the primaries? All the reasons remain true – he does not put country first and is more concerned with being popular (especially with the media) than doing the right thing. Enough! We can still nominate Romney!

Posted by: Florida Republican | September 1, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

Mary Anne.
The statistics clearlyn show that 70% of the press on Obama has been Negative. Make sure you have your facts straight when you nake a statement about the Press fawning all over him. The press has been in love with John McCain for 10 years now. He lets them ride with him and gives them open access. They print what he says as the truth and never check it out before it is published. We have to research it and prove that he is just distroting the truth or is out right lying. In this Campaign I have counted 57 out right lies by john McCain.

Posted by: Ted-Zee-Man | September 1, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Sarah looks awfully good for just having a baby 4 months ago. Her daughter looks like someone who just had a baby 4 months ago.

Posted by: Susan | September 1, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

Mariann:
You are a arrogant person, sorry but there are other reasons women need the option of abortion. Women don’t abort on the case a fetus is deemed not perfect. Ever heard of rape, incest, or health issues?? You need to take your righteous talk elsewhere.
What I’d like to know is if her daughter really wants the baby or if she and her boyfriend are being forced by her parents beliefs?
Obama did say this was off limits, but as his supporter I actually do deem this somewhat important. McCain and Palin preach abstinence only and this is the result we will see across our nation as them in head of our administration.Its already been seen as Bush as the leader. A high rise in teen pregnancies because of lack of sexual education, and access to birth control pills, and look other teens will say “the VP’s daughter is pregnant as a teen its ok”. Don’t think so? yeah teens are easily influenced by those in the media.
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Posted by: mia | September 1, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

Any pictures of Sarah pregnant?

Posted by: Barry | September 1, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

Interesting how much anger there is at Obama because he ran for and won the nomination. Europeans wonder how Americans could support any repub, particularly one allied with Bush, and I guess we know the answer – their party made them do it.

Posted by: Jo Martinson | September 1, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

Families should be off limits. But the GOP would crucify Obama over this type of story if the tables were turned.
What should not be off the table is McCain’s abysmal judgment in making this terible and impulsive decision. He had months to think this through, and then gave us the least experienced VP ever? And, basically, because she’s a woman and he thought he might peel off some Hillary supporters? And is popular with the most right wing Christian conservative wing of her party? And knows something about making a state government run at a surplus by allowing as much oil production as the law will allow, and taxing it?
Foist on his own petard. He is the original Maverick – like the irresponsible, vain, cocky and dangerous Tom Cruise character in Top Gun. Only this time it’s not just him who has to live with the consequences, it’s all of us. That she didn’t think the better of it and turn it down speaks to her political ambition and bad judgment. That he chose her over any of the three alternatives who were on the “short list” speaks to his political ambition and bad judgment.
Obama, tested over a 20 month campaign, with 21 debates, countless interviews, and personal appearences, and answers to alomst every question about national and international policy, has proven his leadership and executive skill. It is no small feat, especially against the clinton machine, in a You Tube world. McCain has proven that he is too risky for the Presidency. It’s time to turn the page.

Posted by: Mark from CC | September 1, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

The Right Wingnuts would be foaming at the mouth if Palin was a Democrat and if Obama had chosen her to be his running mate. Are you kidding me? The question cannot be serious.
Remember when Clinton was president and the GOP kept telling us that “Nobody is above the law, not even the president”. Now that Bush is in the WH, he can break any law he wants to, as can his attorney general, secretary of defense, etc., etc. He can illegally wiretap our phones and ignore the Geneva Convention. His aides and former aides can ignore subpoenas. His justice department can indict and prosecute people for their political affiliation alone. He can silence critics by changing the contents of publically financed science. And all of this is okie-dokie with the nuts. They truly are despicable people. The GOP is truly a despicable party.

Posted by: aqualung | September 1, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

While (I hope) most Americans would applaud Bristol’s decision, and I hope she also had a CHOICE in this decision, I feel sorry for her. There is no reason she should be drawn into this media circus. Gov. Palin is obviously more focused on her career than her family. It’s one thing for her to put in long days away from her family on the campaign trail—but they need her right now—fourt month old Down Syndrome child, seventeen year old pregnant daughter. What’s wrong with “Thanks Senator McCain, I’m flattered, but right now my family needs me.” ??
Listen to Joe Biden’s quote the day he became a US Senator contemplating whether or not he should take the job.
To me, one screams “family values” and the other seems very selfish.

Posted by: Jay | September 1, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

Palin’s family problems are not our problems. The following are Palin’s problems as well as ours:
- She has been governor of a state ranking 47th in population for twenty months.
- She chaired a 527 for the King of Corruption.
- She was for the “bridge to nowhere” (while she was running for Governor) before she was against it.
- She fired the top public safety employees in “Moose Jaw” because they supported her opponent.
- She is the subject of a legislative investigation into unethical conduct for another firing.
- A leading Alaskan Republican State Senator says she’s not qualified.
- She says she “hasn’t paid attention to Iraq” and that it was a “war for oil.”
McCain’s judgment on this one has been about as good as his judgment on Iraq and Afghanistan. What an idiot. It says a good deal on his views on women that he seems to have a “thing” for former “beauty queens.”

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | September 1, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

Great question, Jake. They would be the instant and relentless victim of a “high tech lynching” at the hands of the media. Ditto if Obama had offered up Michelle at a biker rally to be in their topless beauty pageant. Or was carrying huge monthly balances on their American Express. Or had so many homes they lost count. Or if Michelle had had a drug problem and was caught stealing. And on and on.

Posted by: Ruth | September 1, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

Given all we know about Palin, I don’t think it was irresponsible for her to accept the VP slot, since every candidate has a family and has had to make certain sacrifices to make it work. That’s not unlike any parent in the U.S. who has to juggle home and work life. JFK had two little kids running around the Oval Office, and no one asked whether his duties as a father interfered with his ability to govern.
What WAS irresponsible is for Palin to violate her 17-year-old daughter’s privacy in order to dispel a rumor. Sarah Palin should have released Trig’s birth certificate or her own medical records and kept the focus on herself. By issuing this statement, she made Bristol fair game for the mainstream media. Very stupid, very irresponsible.

Posted by: PalinObsessed | September 1, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

How old is Levi (who should have kept his pants zipped)? Is statutory rape involved? I think voters have a right to know.

Posted by: C. Berger | September 1, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

Jake, you know the answer to your question.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

“Ellen705 i agree parents should be responsible for their children-so how could obama raise/baptize his young impressionable children in the wright church.”
Probably the same way Republican hero Mitt Romney could raise his children in the Mormon Church. The Mormon Church whose founding prophet, Joseph Smith, taught that blacks are not human.

Posted by: Pug | September 1, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

Exactly.

Posted by: Rick Conrad | September 1, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

“Obama would make an excuse how society failed his daughter. Not take responsibility as a father. Blame the society.”
That’s nice wingnut talking points, except the facts are Obama has taken complete responsibility for his children. He’s better educated than you, he’s richer than you and I’ll bet he’s better looking, too. I’ll also bet he started lower on the ladder than you.

Posted by: Pug | September 1, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

Poor judgement.

Posted by: AF | September 1, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

Easy…Obama’s supporters would call the media racist for asking about it.

Posted by: Iris | September 1, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

Ruth: I think if Obama’s daughter was pregnant out of wedlock Palin would advise her to keep the baby because she is pro-life. Plus, I don’t think she would discuss it. Obama said the right thing. Its personal and private and he doesn’t want to discuss it. I am not an Obama Fan but it was great of Obama to say what he said. And he didn’t have to say that. Young girls are getting pregnant every day of the week, some are killing them others are thowing them in the weeds or garbage so its a blessing that Bristol’s mother is pro-life. Teenage pregnancy is nothing new. Just watch the Maury show. Only most of them don’t know who the father is and a lot of them have gone to bed with several men.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 1, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

his polls will go up because people will identify with it..this is not something a parent wish for and all you can do is sympathies with the parent.
Palin handled it with grace so more power to her.

Posted by: joan | September 2, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

Sarah Palin’s family values and affairs surely are the business of the American people. This is a person that needs to be focused and ready to handle the people’s business despite what’s happening in her world and right now she needs to focus elsewhere. Taking care of an infant child with Down’s and a pregnant teen is taxing and requires alot of a Mother’s time and attention. Palin should never have put her daughter in the position she has. She’s a selfish opportunist if you ask me. She should remove herself and go back to Alaska to attend to her family issues. Her daughter needs her mother right now.

Posted by: sandy | September 2, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am

“What would happen if McCain was friends with terrorists, racists, and criminals like Obama is? Just askin’.”
Anna have you looked at teh bush administration in the last 4 years?

Posted by: hjpowell | September 2, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

Is this a trick question? Come on, we all know what the right and Dobson would be saying about the Obama family?
Hint: their responses would not include phrases such “wonderful supportive family” or “good family values”

Posted by: neen | September 2, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am

There’s a stereotype of blacks having an epidemic of unwed teenage pregnancies (and the stereotype is based on the fact that blacks do have a higher rate of that). Because of that, the GOP *and* the mainstream media would talk about this story 24/7 on cable news, ripping Obama to shreds, it would drown out everything else and Obama’s campaign would be finished. None of you can honestly deny it, either.
Of course, the same would’ve happened had Obama confused Shiite with Sunni, Somalia with Sudan, Czech Republic with Czechoslovakia, the Anbar Awakening vs Surge timeline, or had talked of a non-existent Iraq-Pakistan border. McCain did all of the above within the span of a month, which should’ve put an end to his so-called foreign policy credentials. But the media gave him a pass on ALL of it. If Obama had done even ONE of those gaffes, cable news would’ve gone into 24/7 loop mode and torpedoed his campaign. The media sucks.

Posted by: Pepe | September 2, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am

What would happen if McCain was friends with terrorists, racists, and criminals like Obama is? Just askin’.
Anna,
can you spell Keating 5?

Posted by: neen | September 2, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am

If he announced that she was going to marry the father and the family would help the mraise the child together, I think it would dispel a most of any negative response that occurred.

Posted by: Glaivester | September 2, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

You know what, I am getting quite peeved by this notion that someone who is running for President or VP is entitled to privacy. Especially in the case of Palin where no one knows her. There should be no expectancy of privacy when you’re running for the highest office in the nation, or when you are 1 John McCain heartbeat away from that high office.
What is supposed to happen here? Sarah Palin is to be presented to us (the public) on a silver platter, and we should nod our heads silently in agreement and not ask questions? I am not sheep. I actually like thinking for myself, so I will continue to ask questions about this woman who is literally been shoved in my face 4 days ago via the media.
I am not attacking the woman’s daughter because she is pregnant – and I don’t get a sense that is what others are doing on the blogs. However, I am questioning Sarah Palin’s judgment – and for that matter – John McCain’s judgment. It is obvious that McCain did not vet Palin, and so it seems as if it’s us bloggers doing the vetting that should have occurred a long time ago.
No one talked about privacy when Barack Obama was being assailed (and still is) by right-wingers on everything from his religion to his various political views, but everytime McCain is questioned about anything, they wanna claim privacy?

Posted by: neen | September 2, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am

David & Dan,
You’ve been listening too much to Sean Hannity! Prove to me that Obama broke the law in buying his house – prove to me that Obama’s church is a hate filled place. It can’t be done. Conservatives always claim the high moral ground & in this case, their hypocracy is demonstrated. As far as Mr. McCain choosing Palin for his running mate, it demonstrates his lack of judgement, his poor decision-making & that he shouldn’t be the next President!

Posted by: Seymour | September 2, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am

Well, wait about ten years and if one of Obama’s daughters get pregnant out of wedlock you can find out. I think it would be much more interesting to find out the responses if he mishandled a domestic or foreign policy program – although I’m sure everyone would give him a free ride as he somehow blamed it on George Bush. But hey, I realize that genuine interest in what is important TO THE NATION is impossible when one can zero in on the imperfections of someone’s family – be they Democrat or Republican. It’s much better gossip – the other might only affect our everyday lives.

Posted by: Cynthia | September 2, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am

My heart goes out to Gov. Palin.
But in my candid opinion, I think she should have declined the nomination.
If she couldn’t control her Child in a town of just over 8000 inhabitants, how would she be able to control a complex Country like the United States of America should something untowards happen to Mccain?
And to think she is an advocate of abstenance while her daughter was eating the forbidden fruit makes it more appaling.
And to think that some GOP members and some so called Evangelicals are backing her on this is incredible and ridiculous.
Leaders are supposed to be role-models. A bad example has been set, We pray that it does not go round.
It won’t come as a Suprise if it is discovered that Bristol is actually the Mother of Trig or the anybody in Alaska see a pregnant Governor Sarah Palin in 2007?

Posted by: owen jacob | September 2, 2008, 3:42 am 3:42 am

McCain has shown impulsive judgment; he is willing to put the country at risk if it might bring his own gain. Palin is talented and glitzy, but right now her good family values need to focus on those who need her at home – not on gaining fame and fortune thru politics. This is not a patriotic combination!

Posted by: Barbara | September 2, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am

When I read posts in defense of Gov. Sarah Palin, I get worried at what the future portends for American youths.
Barack Obama said his mum conceived him at that age but he seems to forget that his Mother did not aspire for Public Office. His Mother did not even aspire for the post of a Mayor, talkless of a Govenor and now the Vice-President and then, when Mccain’s is juxtaposed with his mortalilty at above four score plus 10, the potential President of the United States of America.
And to think that She held back on this important information until it was broken in the blogosphere gives me a feeling that we are going to be treated to more darker stories about the Palins before November.
Now let’s be truthful; If it had been Barack Obama, I know so many pundits would have suggested that he disqualifies himself as the Dems Flagbearer. But because it is Mccain, his apologists are trying to spin the story as an American family value.
I could remember the castigation that trailed Jamie-Lyn Spears Pregnancy on Entertainment blogsites.
But for a Woman that is an hair-breath away from the Presidency, it is a thing that deserves an applause.

Posted by: owen jacob | September 2, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am

You don’t even need to ask. The truth, whether everyone wants to admit it or not, is if Sasha Obama were a 17-year old black girl and had this baby, the terms “welfare mother” “baby momma” and “responsibility” would have been thrown around more times than you can count.
The election would have been over for Barack Obama and we all know it.
But we’re not supposed to point out double standards. Just remain silent on them.
And pretend like John McCain made something even resembling a rational choice here.
It’s amazing the entire country hasn’t risen up and scorned John McCain for such a rash, irresponsible decision.

Posted by: John | September 2, 2008, 4:29 am 4:29 am

That is one of the only aspects of this story worth publicly discussing (all the rest being the Palin family’s private family matters): right wing hypocrisy on getting to condemn everyone within range unless it falls on one of their own, in which case suddenly “forgiveness” takes on renewed relevance.

Posted by: El Cid | September 2, 2008, 6:30 am 6:30 am

John,
I think you have the wrong Palin in mind, it’s Sarah who was the Mayor, Govenor and now VP candiate, not her daughter. So when you say the Obama seems to forget that his Mother did not aspire for Public Office. His Mother did not even aspire for the post of a Mayor, talkless of a Govenor and now the Vice-President and then, when Mccain’s is juxtaposed with his mortalilty at above four score plus 10, the potential President of the United States of America. I don’t think it was something he needed to remember, since there has been no reports that Bristol is aspiring for public office.

Posted by: Ed | September 2, 2008, 7:46 am 7:46 am

In Law, one of the MAXIMS of EQUITY is “HE/SHE WHO MUST COME TO EQUITY MUST COME WITH CLEAN HANDS.
Her hands are not clean. She has failed one of the tenets of good Motherhood. Being the Vice-President makes are the mother of all Americans and by extension, the World.
But if she could not hold her home, if she could not control her Children because of the demand of Political Office, She should do what is best for herself and her Family – Leave Politics.
See what American Society is turning into – a Society of Moral decadence.
We need a Leader that would lead by good examples. We need a Leader we can look up to. We need a Leader that we can proudly say of “If she can achieve these good deeds, I can do the same”
Not a Leader that our Children will say “If Sarah Palin’s daughter could do this and he mum was rewarded with the post of a VP, WHY CAN’T i DO THE SAME.
IF WE CONDONE THIS ACT AND SWEEPS IT UNDER THE CARPET, American Society is sure sitting on a amoral Time-bomb which, when it explodes, no household would be spared.

Posted by: owen jacob | September 2, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am

I am a christian who believes that no one is perfect. However, it sickens me to hear that many of my evangalical brethren are so forgiving. Yet these are the same ones who attacked Obama during the Rev. Wright uproar. So is grieves me to hear so many admiring Palin for having such courage. I have a question, why are those same individuals not as supportive of the countless teenage mother in america. If it was little Suzy or Felicia, these same people would be be saying things like, “where were the parents”, “the MTV generation is out of control.” Remember, my christian friends, God is not a Repulican or a democrat. He is forgiving to all!

Posted by: Whit | September 2, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am

If it were Obama’s daughter I would feel the same. This is Palin’s daughter….not her. We cannot control our children, we can only instill in them what is right and wrong; they have to do the rest. I’ve known ministers children, children that were brought up in a christian home, and hormones just get the best of them at times. So what is the big deal….we all make mistakes and the judgement doesn’t lie with us.

Posted by: MEW | September 2, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

What shocks me the most (all the
other scandals aside):
Is it now considered a
family value for a woman with
5 kids (the youngest of which is
four months old and a special
needs child and a teenage girl
pregnant out of wedlock) to up
and run for VP of the US?
Enjoy.

Posted by: Tim Fuller | September 2, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

I wonder if people understand that the story is not about the pregnancy, but the fact that it was concealed.
Sen McCain and his staff is making this to be a “Great American Story”. They are applauding Gov. Palin for sticking by her family and supporting her daughters pregnancy. The problem that I have with this is, if this was such a great story, why wasn’t it introduced when Gov. Palin was introduced. From my perspective, Sen McCain was attempting to play on the heartstrings of many Americans with the revelation that the youngest Palin had Downs Syndrome, she married her high school sweetheart (by the way I did too), her husband is a snowmobiler, and she is a member of the NRA. Well, I ask, Why not share the pregnancy at the same time. Let it be known that she is excited about becoming a grandmother. That the father of the child is planning to marry her daughter.
The fact that the story only broke after bloggers made such “radical suggestions” that the infant was in fact the daughters, lead me to wonder if Sen McCain and his staff knew of the pregnancy or even learned of it during the Vetting process.
I can understand why Sen McCain wanted to pick Gov. Palin for his VP. Appeal to the Clinton’s bitter supporters and attract a larger woman vote. However I ponder this question, will this decision prove that Sen McCain is more ambitious about his ascention to the White House or does he really put “County First”.
And to regards to the question, “What if this was Sen Obama”. Do we really need to entertain that question. I know the politically correct response is, It is no different. However we all know that is not true. There is a double standard in this country in regards to race and sex.

Posted by: Frank | September 2, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Had this been Chelsea Clinton or one of Obama’s daughers, the GOP would have held the child up as the prime example of the valueless, amoral, secular product of the liberal fringe. Rush and company would be having a field day. And we all know it.
That being said, Bristol Palin is a 17 year old minor who deserves her privacy.
So, in that vein, what matters in terms of this election is this — what mother would knowingly put her child through this? Either Palin is extremely naive and didn’t think there would be any press about this, and she doesn’t strike me as a naive woman, or, she’s opportunistic and would rather seek national office than focus on her family.
Palin is young. Her state is going to be in the forefront in the development of a comprehensive energy policy. She’s well poised as governor to be highly involved in that process. On a personal level, she’d gain huge national exposure. Exposure that might propel her to the number one spot on the GOP ticket in 2012. Even if she had to wait until 2016, she’d only be 50 years old.
It’s just a question of where her priorities lie. It’s a question of her judgment, of her character.
And McCain’s judgment as well. For all the charitable work Cindy McCain does, you think John would have thought about the impact this would have on Bristol. No teenager wants her personal information to become public knowledge. Remember in 2000, when the media reported that Jenna and Barbara Bush has asked their father not to run for office because they wanted to be able to make the transition from high school to college on their own terms.

Posted by: merry in jersey | September 2, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Ruth T doesn’t pay attention so good.
Also, why is Jake asking questions to which he already knows the answer?
The culture warriors love to have enemies. That’s why Bill O’Reilly can sexually harass an employee while wearing his wedding ring and Limbaugh can be married a gazillion times and have a hillbilly heroin addiction, and still claim a vast “conservative” audience. It’s not about doing what’s right. It’s about winning a “war”.

Posted by: slag | September 2, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Jake,
I need a little clarification on your question. You didn’t indicate whose response you are interested in. If you are referring to the reaction of the Obama Family, it is impossible to know how they would handle the situation. However, it is possible that their personal reaction would eliminate any public response.

Posted by: Andy Burns | September 2, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

If it was Obama’s daughter, the very same conservatives who are now oh so understanding of the Palins situation will cast the Obamas as typical of black America. They have already called Michelle Obama by the choicest names, now they will also shower his children with a tirade of unspeakables. If you don’t serve their purpose, the right, esp. the religious right, will cast you as worse than the devil. Sad but true.

Posted by: bob | September 2, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Say Malia Obama was 17, she’s 10 now, the conservative zealots would scream that not only are the Obamas unfit for the White House, that they are also unfit parents that don’t teach abstinence at home.

Posted by: eddit | September 2, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

Palin’s bio is heartwarming and good fodder for the media but it’s disingenuous.
I can’t think of anyone who can parent 5 children, be active in the care of one who has Down Syndrome, be emotionally available for an unwed pregnant teen, have a successful marriage and sex life, attend hockey games and carry out the duties of Vice President of the United States of America (in addition to taking vacations and taking care of other personal needs).
She will not be involved with her family and that’s ok. It is a choice she has made. She is a career woman, and that’s ok too. Another life choice.
Just don’t sell her to me as a hockey mom.
How dumb do you think we are?

Posted by: DLasa | September 2, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

The reality is that this is a non-issue.
To those who suggest that right wingers would flame Obama if it were his daughters: Someone should point out that Obama himself was conceived out of wedlock when his mother was, oh yeah, 17. Yet, no one has ever mentioned it or dwelled on the fact. There is a double standard here, but it is not demonstrated by the right. I’d say Obama turned out pretty well and I have never heard anyone from the press or RNC mention this in the past 9 months (anyone can do the math), but days after Palin gets the nod, it is more of a story than Hurricane Gustav. Interesting bias…

Posted by: kevin | September 2, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

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