Kos:Time for Dems to Play Hardball
Kos says it’s time for the Democrats to get down and dirty.
"To all the concerned people e-mailing me about ‘being played,’ don’t waste your time. I’m not about to revert to writing puff pieces about Obama thinking that his magic ‘new politics’ bulls–t will carry us to victory. He may or may not believe that crap, but I don’t. We’re going to win this thing the way campaigns are won — by playing hardball. Politics is a blood sport. Republicans understand this and never flinch from flinging the sh–. We won’t win until we learn to fight back in kind. And I’m more than happy to get down in the mud with our friends on the Right so Obama doesn’t have to.
"Recent history vindicates the ‘tough and aggressive’ path," Kos continues. "We went toe to toe against Rove and his machine in 2006, and our math beat his. I have no doubt we’re in for a two-peat this year, and it’ll happen because we won’t back off from exposing the GOP for the den of lies and corruption it has become."
Kos also refers to this excerpt from a recent column by Robert Novak:
"I asked one of the Republican Party’s smartest, most candid heavy hitters last week whether John McCain really has a chance to defeat Barack Obama in this season of Republican discontent. ‘No, if the campaign is about McCain,’ he replied. "Yes, if it’s about Obama.’"
"’Nuff said," writes Kos.
Of course, Republicans would argue that the liberal blogosphere has been engaged in hardball for quite some time — witness the comments about Bristol and Trig Palin.
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Posted by: wake up People | September 15, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
This election will be about Obama. He’s a radical, hangs out with terrorists like Bill Ayers, went to a church that preaches hatred against white people, is married to a woman who has never had a good word to say about the country until her husband started running for President. How can this election not be about him?
Posted by: Carrie | September 15, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Obama will bore people with any speech he gives. People will walk away thinking what they always do. What did he say? The government is not the solution to your problems. Obama is the government. Obama is make governement big. It bears repeating: The governemtn is not the solution to your problems. Obama will just grow government with massive social programs. You think we have problems now, if Obama gets elected, your tax burden will skyrocket. Give him the power, and he will flip flop on his own plans. JUST LIKE HE DOES NOW. Get real.
Posted by: Kitty | September 15, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Palin for President! ABC news team, Lets see how many GOPhers would prefer to put Palin at the top of the ticket! I bet more than 60%.
Posted by: larkin1974 | September 15, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Just a thought, but did you ever consider that the more the American people learn about and know Obama, the less they like him?
It’s Obama’s faux accents that make me realize what a phony he is. It changes according to the audience. He’s still trying on different personalities.
Posted by: Dalibama | September 15, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Reid/Dean 08! Yeah, that’s really who I want running the country. Nah. Think I’ll stick with McPresident & Sarah Barracuda.
Posted by: Carrie | September 15, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
It’s time the US charges Obama with treason.
Posted by: lm | September 15, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Kos is speaking to his elite audience, not to all of America. True, they will get excited by mud-slinging, it is the world in which they live and thrive. It will only hurt Obama with the rest of America. It will finally reveal that Obama is just another lowly politician willing to do or say anything. If there are any doubters remaining.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 15, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Wow, the dems haven’t been playing rough and slinging mud???? I don’t know where some of you live, but where I live every commercial break there is one or two nasty, mud slinging Obama commercials. Quite frankly I’m sick of seeing them. So much for his “change”, guess he meant his dear ole cousin Odinga’s kind of “change”….
Posted by: samhiguchi | September 15, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
If Senator McCain keeps the focus off the issues, then people will vote from what they see on TV — unless this banking crisis can wake a sleeping giant. The thought of a change agent, who has been a player in Washington since the early 80s, is a little silly.
Posted by: SET | September 15, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Dalibama, you hit on one real irritation about Obama – the faux accents. I’ve noticed that, too. When he’s speaking to some audiences, he tries to sound black. When he’s speaking to people in – say, San Fran, he tries to sound white. Love the way he pronounced Wasila, Alaska – WAH-SILLY – back when he was trashing Palin. (Before his handlers made him realize that trashing the VP candidate only him look desperate and stupid.)
Posted by: Carrie | September 15, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Every time Obama hits McCain he praises him first. Sorry it makes Obama look weak.
Obama message is weak and delivered with bad timing, take today for example, what has he said about the economy? Nothing! McCain throws the BS out but at least he said something.
Obama needs to hire a marketing firm, they simply are not doing an adequate job.
It is his to lose and I think he doing everything he can to do just that. If he doesn’t improve his message, I’ll throw my vote to a third party, wasted or not at least I’ll make my statement.
He as had time to deal with the Palin and the Republican Convention, he hasn’t done it. Lead or get the hell out of the way.
Posted by: Thinking | September 15, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
This election is about the economic policies republican governement and Congress have put in place. This election is about Mccain and his lack of judgement in selecting a VP without experience while he has one foot in his grave already.This election is about Mccain who does not understand economy and has no idea about economic harship Americans are going through-out-of-touch McCain. This election is about Palin who has not been able to manage her family which is in a big mess and wanted to manage the USA. God save America from McSame.
Posted by: BKMC | September 15, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
I just do not get it, Palin has not been able to manage properly her family whichj is in a real mess and listening to people taking about a baracuda or a pig or a lipstick. I cannot understand that people will vote for Palin who has not been able to manage her family properly. I am surprised and very much so.
Posted by: BKMC | September 15, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Speaking of accents, Pelosi and Obama make a fine pair. She’s decided she’s English all of a sudden, and he’s either a member of the hood or an Ivy League intellectual, depending on the audience he’s talking to. I prefer John McCain’s plain old American accent.
Posted by: Carrie | September 15, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
I’m voting Republican because “Standing Tall for America” and “Country First” means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.
Posted by: NMP | September 15, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
As long as the Republicans use fear as their main tactic, then Senator Obama needs to get muddy.
The Republicans have convinced a lot of people that the media and Democrats are looking down on at them. People are cutting off their nose to spite their faces by voting for a party, whose policies have not helped the working class and have shrunken the prosperity of the middle class.
I have to chuckle about how the Republicans have turned San Francisco into the evil elitist empire. I’ve lived in the Bay Area for most of my life, if you want to see how elite we are, then turn on a Raiders game on Sunday.
The fact is there are people in the world that are smarter than most, that doesn’t make them elite. We should look for the best and the brightest to lead.
Posted by: Stacey | September 15, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
If you compare the presidential candidates, the DNC candidate typically donates less than 1% to charity and only to black Chicago-based organizations – those charities were his Rev Wright church and a black dance group in Chicago. McCain donated more than 10% charity to organizations which benefit multiple ethnicities and in multiple states and countries. McCain is a humanitarian, and has a history of successfully working across party-lines to accomplish what is needed, his opponent does not. McCain has knowledge of the military and hates war, his opponent hasn’t shown his selective service registration and knows little about war and how to get out of it. The DNC candidate has the audacity to violate ethics and our security by interferring with President Bush’s negotiations to bring home troops in Iraq asking that decisions be delayed for another 4 months. If you want action and solutions to issues you care about – vote McCain, because McCain/Palin have been there, & done that. If you want speeches and words, indecisiveness and lack of progress – than don’t vote for McCain, because McCain is bound to be a maverick reformer to make things better.
Posted by: Charity | September 15, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Taxes pay for your highways, Fema, rescue operations by the Coast Guard during hurricanes, Bridge repairs, they pay for your kids to attend schools, buses to drive them there, teachers to educate them and lunches to feed them. Yep, even bridges to no where. So paying high salaries to teachers must be a bad thing.
Paying firefighters (like those of who without a second thought went into the twin towers never to return) must be a bad thing and something not worth rewarding. Denfending our nation with better pay to our troops also comes from taxes.
So you GOPhers must be against defending our nation, better armor, benefits and pay for our troops, and safekeeping our homes and educating our kids.
GOPhers must be against America?
So
Posted by: larkin1974 | September 15, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Reid 08 Oh yea, that’s the ticket. Love it. Tell it like it is. I’ll take McCain/Palin anyday over that bunch. Hey Obama, how often did you vote with Biden/Pelosi?Reid. Can you say 100% lol This is a great way to point out that Obama is part of the Washington insider group that is Pelosi and Reid. We all saw Pelosi’s behavior regarding the nomination of Hillary at the convention. You know the one wehre she made sure there was no time for anybody to say nay. Wec all saw it Obama and this is the pack you run with. Obama: bad for America. He’s just another Pelosi/Reid
Posted by: Kitty | September 15, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
What about the allegations that when Obama visited Iraq he tried to interfere with the war and timetables, etc? It’s in the NY Post.
Posted by: beth | September 15, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
larkin, what a silly argument.
Posted by: Kitty | September 15, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Of course the Obama campaign should play hardball, but on the issues.
Palin’s narrow minded provincial and fundamentalist christian world view however should be seriously questioned as well.
BTW the Obama campaign NEVER spoke about Palin’s children, nor should it.
Her husband however… check what the Washington Post found out about his messing with Palin’s politics… It ain’t a pretty sight for someone who wants to be a national hubby.
But – playing hardball on McCain’s economics and cold war foreign policy ideas should do. If Americans would only listen and understand what actually is going on beyond the borders of the USA.
Palin, that’s for sure, has no clue.
Posted by: brent | September 15, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
McCain = Bush/Palin = Cheney in a dress = “one lie after another” in order to energize the base of the Right. The previous eight years of “one lie after another” stole 9/11 as an excuse to start an unnecessary war.
Posted by: newz4i | September 15, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Kitty did you vote for George W. Bush twice? Good going things are going well. McCain endorsed Bush in 2004, enough said.
Posted by: Kitty Litter | September 15, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Funny BK, you go into a rnat about wht the election is about. Then in your next comment, you contradict yourself and talk about Palin.
Posted by: Kitty | September 15, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Kos is right. What’s more, people are ###### off at the Republicans – so anything that reminds voters that they have a chance to fire the ######## who put us into this mess will work. I’m doing a lot of phonebanking of targeted voters, and a common thread is that the Republicans and McCain would be an economic disaster.
Amazing how the right wing froot-loops just recycle the same tired, fake lines against Obama. It’s just looking more and more desperate.
Posted by: Tungsten | September 15, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Whyd dd Obama do this?
OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS’ IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.
Posted by: susie | September 15, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
You just keep telling yourself that Tungsten. The people I talk to talk about how Obama is full of pipe dreams. He thinks he can just ‘go talk to ‘em” but he chose CHOSE not to go talk to our troops on his celbrity world tour.
Posted by: Kitty | September 15, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Charity … seems if you had lived in the Bay Area for so long you would know there is a big difference between Oakland and San Fran.
Posted by: bhurst | September 15, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
Throw the bums out: Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Reid We don’t need the kind of change these 4 will bring.
Posted by: Kitty | September 15, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Kos is an extremist liberal. He is nervous because when Obama loses he will be partly to blame. He has spread nothing but hate against Hillary and others who opposed Obama on the daily kos.
There are thousands of quotes of sexism, hatred and ignorance on his website.
This election is about one thing-OBAMA – and that is why he will lose.
Posted by: Michel | September 15, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
well, Kitty, you keep right on talking to that little circle of people. It ain’t what they’re saying in OH and MI. Posting here really helps win voters over, too!
Posted by: Tungsten | September 15, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
To get dirtier is supposed to be new for the obama campaign? Get real, they attack every thing perceived to be a weakness or even remotely questionable. They play the race bait and race card at the drop of a misconception. The bottom line is obama wants attention off of him because people are starting to see the hollow man with a past that offers more questions than legitimate successes for this country. He only wants the spot light when he is reading a perfectly scripted propaganda speech about hope and change. All you need to know or understand is that he is the only hope for change, for the soup line.
Posted by: M/P 08 | September 15, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
I dont understand how there can be anyone left backing McBush with the constant LIES he has been caught in, now Palin as well is lying like crazy. have the Sheeple completely lost their minds or what?
Jiff
Posted by: JIffy Flieson | September 15, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
As a former Democrat that gladly left after the DNC’s preferential treatment of Obama over Hillary–and after witnessing the vile and hateful BO supporters…
I would vote for George Bush before I let Obama, Pelosi, Dean and Reid gain control of America.
The daily KOS is just an extention of the pro-Obama media like NBC, CNN MSNBC.
Maybe they forgot one thing–most Americans are fair-minded and decent.
That’s why BO is tanking in the polls.
Posted by: harry | September 15, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Obama committed treason when he tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
Posted by: lm | September 15, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
You people on the left must think people in this country are dumb They voted for Bush the last two term is because they reject the liberal tax and spend ideals Obama has no change it is the same old liberal Ideals since Jimmy Carter. Carter was in the White house and the Dem had control of both houses and the country went to hell in a hand basket As the republicans took control this country has seen great days
Liberal democrats stand for socialization
The blue dog Dem moderate Republicans need to team up and form a third party The Democrats that run this party today are not the party of JFK Hell Bill Clinton is conservative compare to Obama
In one conversation you people say that woman are to smart to vote just because Palin on the ticket but you turn around and down grade the black community Obama campaign feels that he is caring the black because he black Let me tell you guys something we’re smarter than that to
We don’t need hand outs we want opportunity
Posted by: Bill | September 15, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Dems: Look at the big picture. You will never convert anyone in these posts.I’m going to leave the mudslinging to the ad guys. Our strength is and will be our grassroot campaign. Volunteer to man phone banks,take someone to the voting booth, donate money, and help with voter registration. 500,000 new voters last month. This is where we will beat McCain. Focus on McCain..Palin is a side show …McCain McCain McCain.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 15, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
NMP, just the facts…the Dems under Pres. Clinton signed legislation that allowed more jobs to move offshore. When expanding Nafta was voted on in Oct 2007- Obama voted yes to support Nafta, which would ship more jobs overseas. The Dems have had the majority in the Senate and House for several years, and have done nothing to improve things, they certainly will not take responsibility for how bad they have made things. Just recently in Dec. 2007, Obama and Pelosi introduced legislation, which will provide US funds for a UN military and provide US fund for the UN to redistribute to other countries who have a minimum wage less than the US minimum wage. This redistribution of the US wealth will mean US taxes will need to go up, and your hard earned dollars will go to countries like India, China, etc. The good news is that if you no longer have a job, your fellow US citizens will pay your share. If we discontinue the Iraq war, this Iraq funding could be redirected to the UN for a UN military and redistribution to other countries as the UN decides. The approach we need to take, like on an airplace, is to put on our own oxygen masks first, before assisting others. We have people with no heat in the winter, victims from Katrina and Ike, bridges falling down, and we need to take care of our people and country first, and not have a middleman like the UN make decisions for where our funds are used. McCain/Palin are better prepared to lead.
Posted by: Jack | September 15, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
At least the KOS got one thing right–Obama is full of BS.
The KOS realizes how wimpy Obama is so now they are forced to fight for him..
They hate the Republicans and are stuck with a weak candidate that fights like a 4th grader.
Posted by: harry | September 15, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Obama is a Socialist-steal from the rich and give to the poor.
America is the land of opportunity because there is the opportunity for anyone to be successful. Under Obama’s plan there is no American dream.
Obama will turn they US into a 3rd world country. We will no longer be the leader of the free world. With Russia trying to return to the old days of the Soviet Union, we can not afford to have such a grossly under-qualified socialist running the country. Obama wants to take peoples rights away. He also doesn’t want to protect of the security of country. We need to do everything we can to be energy independent, Obama wants to wait until we can develop a new system of energy. The world is a dangerous place. We can’t wait, we can’t blink.
McCain/Palin – save of from Obama
Posted by: edwin | September 15, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Bkmc – And you beleive that a man that came from an even worst off Dysfunctional family, is Better for our Country
Posted by: Eagle Eye | September 15, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
“Are you better off than you were 8 years ago”? Since that doesn’t seem to work, I do think Obama needs to highlight McCain’s growing negatives and outright lies.
Did anyone see the View on Friday…no earmarks as Governor of Alaska, he says… (unless you count the $200 mil).
Posted by: SET | September 15, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Jack just because the dems register them don’t think you have thier vote
My son was one those that Register as a Dem and he is as Republican as they get Plus I know a lot of people in VA that has done the same So all the people your registing to Vote are not Dem so thanks for the help and by the way the repb has people working the phone and taking people to the voting booth and most people in this coutry is looking for a opportunity they don’t want to be taxed to death so people like you who don’t work gets hand out
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Dems: Look at the big picture. You will never convert anyone in these posts.I’m going to leave the mudslinging to the ad guys. Our strength is and will be our grassroot campaign. Volunteer to man phone banks,take someone to the voting booth, and help with voter registration. 500,000 new voters last month. This is where we will beat McCain. Focus on McCain..Palin is a side show …McCain McCain McCain.
Posted by: Bill | September 15, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Pretty funny that the old guy had the guts to pick a women to be VP–proving how much he wants to change Washington.
But Obama chose a wornout political Washington gasbag–proving BO doesn’t have the backbone to change anything in Washington.
He didn’t fight corruption in Chicago and he won’t fight corruption in Washington.
Posted by: sally | September 15, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Mr. Tapper, attributing to liberal blogs all the independent diaries and comments posted to their sites is like attributing to you all the comments posted here on the Political Punch. Personally, I have a much higher opinion of you than to think you responsible for some of the horribly inaccurate and offensive comments I’ve seen here.
Posted by: Justin in Chicago | September 15, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
“I would vote for George Bush before I let Obama, Pelosi, Dean and Reid gain control of America.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Brent claims BTW the Obama campaign NEVER spoke about Palin’s children, nor should it….hmm, not exactly – while the DNC candidate himself was saying he would not attack her children, the story that the media ran about her children came directly from a post from his campaign’s website. When he said claims about his pig comment were not about Palin and phony, his campaign website had a photo of a pig dressed to look like Palin. When he goes to a church for 20 years, and claims that he never head the frequent anti-America and race-based hate speech sermons,do you believe himopn that too?….
Posted by: Sally | September 15, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
SET
Yes and so are most people So let be see you a 800.00 rebate ck is going get american back to working and raise thier stander of living How dumb SET
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Are you better off than you were 8 years ago”? Since that doesn’t seem to work, I do think Obama needs to highlight McCain’s growing negatives and outright lies.
Did anyone see the View on Friday…no earmarks as Governor of Alaska, he says… (unless you count the $200 mil).
Posted by: Bill | September 15, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Linda – yep. My sense at this point is that these blog posts mainly attempt to get Tapper to bend commentary one way or another. Good luck with that, although the right-wing fruitcakes apparently have lots of time on their hands. But the real election dynamics will depend on the ground game. The “likely voter” thing makes a big difference, and if anything has been clear this time around it’s that none of the pollsters have a good LV model.
Posted by: Tungsten | September 15, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Justin has a good point, Jake – do YOU really want everything written in these comment sections lumped together with the things you write?
Posted by: Tungsten | September 15, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
If nothing else, Kos sure can bring out the emotions of those McCain campers, who prefer to dwell in urban legend. If you don’t like Obama’s proposed policies that’s legitimate, the other Internet rumor stuff just makes you look silly… Kitty, Sally, and Bill.
“Socialist…Radical…Extemist…Elitist”
C’mon.
Posted by: Think | September 15, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Mitt Romney calls McCain out for his lies!!
When Mitt Romney and Karl Rove refuse to prop up McCain’s smears and lies, it’s pretty darn bad!
Posted by: Yvonne | September 15, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Let see american people lets see what kind of leadership the democrates has provided for this country
Pelosi Leader of House,Dean leader of the DNC and Mr we have lost the war Reid and now they wants to fall from some who is friends with with a know terriost, a know mosbster,and his spirtual leader hates america
If listen to Dem there is NOTHING good about the USA In fact Obama wifes says she has never been proud of america till now and that we’re mean people
Posted by: Bill | September 15, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
“[Obama] didn’t fight corruption in Chicago and he won’t fight corruption in Washington.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
So the Democrats are not playing dirty yet, huh? I cannot wait till they are rolling in mud. And that goes for the liberal press, too. Your lies will haunt you.
Posted by: walk55onby | September 15, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
There’s a problem with the Obama campaign (and the public views his supporters as getting their marching orders from his campaign) slinging mud. Obama ran as a new kind of politician with a new kind of politics that was going to lift all of us up. His actions prove that he’s the same old same old. Without a record to run on, his mystique was all he had and it’s fading fast.
Posted by: marylou | September 15, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Bill,
Don’t you love how the republicans took Michele Obama’s “Proud of her Country” statement and twisted it to mean the opposite. I want to know why palin’s husband belongs to the AIP which is an organization that doesn’t want to be part of the USA. How are the republicans gonna spin that? Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 15, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
You can not fight a pig with gentlemen’s rules and expect to win. It’s time we fight the republicans on their terms. They use personal attacks to avoid the issues, like these comments from Carrie:
“This election will be about Obama. He’s a radical, hangs out with terrorists like Bill Ayers, went to a church that preaches hatred against white people, is married to a woman who has never had a good word to say about the country until her husband started running for President. How can this election not be about him?”
Most of this comment is false is either false or grossly exaggerated, but when Democrats allow this to be printed without challenge they loose.
Posted by: The Unshrub | September 15, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
“When he said claims about his pig comment were not about Palin and phony, his campaign website had a photo of a pig dressed to look like Palin.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
PT does it make ya feel any better to know that Palin’s hubby is NOT a republican, but a registered democrat?!
Posted by: samhiguchi | September 15, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
If there has been a time during this election cycle when the Dems. have not been playing dirty, please tell me when that was.
Posted by: Ron | September 15, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Belle Star…so Obama comes out and says that he’s not blaming John McCain for the financial meltdown so that means he’s balming him. You’ve got to be kidding.
Posted by: Mark | September 15, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Obama never did get over 500 thousand new voters and I don’t believe he even got $66 million dollars in donations. The Obama camp wants the public to believe that Obama is drawing more voters than McCain. No so. Obama camp is now worried since Palin came into action and took the celebrity status away from Obama. She is the one drawing crowds and more than Hillary did in Ohio. I like Hillary but it is over and done. This is today not yesterday and she and Bill should not be campaigning for a underhanded crooked candidate like Obama. Hillary knows she got cheated and Obama was involved with Nancy. I would never vote for him even as a democrat.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 15, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
BLACK MONDAY!
THE LIE:
McCain: “The Fundamentals Of Our Economy Are Strong”
THE TRUTH:
Obama: ‘Folks In Washington And On Wall Street Weren’t Minding The Store… I Fault The McCain/Bush Economic Philosophy’…
I’M ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH!
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
“Most of this comment is false is either false or grossly exaggerated, but when Democrats allow this to be printed without challenge they loose.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Ron…just go to factcheck and Politfact to see who has been playing dirty and who hasn’t. Your guy McCain has had his “pants on fire” so many times that whenever he’s on the campaign trail the local fire department is on high alert!
Posted by: Mark | September 15, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Looking at today’s Wall Street plunge, I note who’s been in charge the last 8 years. Bush/McCain that’s who.
nuff said.
Posted by: Gus | September 15, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
I still can’t get over one of McCain’s early campaign slogans: “An American President for the American People.” Of all the xenophobic small-minded hypocritical trash that has campaign has produced that may have been the worst. The American people need a president who is better than that – better than his pandering VP pick – and better than his sleazy smallminded campaign.
Posted by: jon in maryland | September 15, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Mariann Pepitone:
Check with the FEC Obama did get 500 thousand new voters and $66 million dollars in donations.
Your most welcome!
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
“Belle Star…so Obama comes out and says that he’s not blaming John McCain for the financial meltdown so that means he’s blaming him … “
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Unbelievable; I’m absolutely speechless. The Kossacks mount the absolutely most disgusting and nasty political hit on Governor Palin that the country has seen in the last decade, reminding the vast majority of Americans why they hate journalists and the Left (same thing, really, I guess), and now Kos says they’re going to come down off the mountain and fight in the mud. After that spectacle? No, Kos, you set the bar lower than it’s been in the last half decade, and your ugly, absolutely HATE FILLED tactics cost you the election. You out-slimed Rove by far. Don’t kid yourself that you occupy the moral high ground. Palin derangement syndrome exposed how much you hate America and her people.
Posted by: Chad3337 | September 15, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
jon in maryland, I still can’t get over one of McCain’s early campaign slogans: “An American President for the American People.” Of all the xenophobic small-minded hypocritical trash that has campaign has produced that may have been the worst. The American people need a president who is better than that – better than his pandering VP pick – and better than his sleazy smallminded campaign.
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Would that be anything like the faux presidential seal that the Obama camp had made…talk about sleazy!
Posted by: samhiguchi | September 15, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Belle Starr: I agree with you. And Obama’s money machine is a left over combined with August donations. I remember he had about 26 million left from july therefore he got 40 million and added to the 26 million to make a total of 66 million. He wanted the public to think that all came from over 500 thousand donors. Not so. He is the most underhanded, lying, crooked candidate this country ever had running for office and I don’t know why the public cannot see thru this sincere lies. He doublecrossed the woman running against him for the senate, he doublecrossed Hillary in the delegates and he certainly wishes he could have some bad dirt on McCain. I don’t believe he will win the election because Palin is the greatest hit that ever came to an election in years. She is mobbed wherever she goes and outdid Hillary.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 15, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Mariann Pepitone
Beginning Cash: $0
Latest Cash On Hand: $65,837,809
Debts Owed By: $915,894
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Name two politicians who –
like to hire their buddies
created new debt during their time in office
expanded the size of government
stifled scientific knowledge about global warming
talk about war being God’s plan
oppose stem cell research
and groomed by the GOP right wing folks to win elections
The answer of course is too easy — Bush and Palin.
Posted by: john | September 15, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Obama doesn’t even take care of his own brother, you think he will take care of you strangers? Get an antidote and wake up!
Posted by: jackie | September 15, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Deb: I don’t think so. What happened to his 26 million left over that was stated on the TV when they were comparing donations in July. Or didn’t you see that? I am well aware of the schemes of the Obama campaign and right now they are failing. Anything to make the public think they have the election in the bag like Obama thought he was president now then got a shocker when Palin arrived. Good for McCain. Brilliant choice.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 15, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
john,
Roves Puppets:
Bush and Palin.
Funny even Rove had to admit, McCain and Palin are liars!
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
8 Years of a Republican WHITEHOUSE:
Gentlemen, we’re in the middle of a near total mortgage system meltdown in this country. We have a health care system that burns 16 percent of our GDP, in which the Medicare liability alone has been estimated at $34 trillion. We’re burning $10 billion a month in Iraq.
This administration has run up $7.7 trillion in national debt, by our calculation. And there is worsening evidence every day of global warming, with worsening environmental and national security ramifications. In light of those conditions, do any of you seriously contend that drilling for more oil is the number one issue facing the American people today?
I WANT CHANGE!
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Mariann Pepitone
The numbers and the link are from the FEC…
FEC Obama did get 500 thousand new voters and $66 million dollars in donations.
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
A toxic campaign against
the Republicans will assure
a dominating clean victory
over them.
Posted by: anon | September 15, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Mariann Pepitone,
I don’t get what point you meant to make ?
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
“He wanted the public to think that all came from over 500 thousand donors.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Deb: O balance in the checkbook. No money on hand to pay bills. Looking for donations. Owe millions. So Deb, how are you going to pay your bills? You can do what Obama did. Go to the streets on the southside of Chicago and work in the ghetto area.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 15, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
“FEC Obama did get 500 thousand new voters and $66 million dollars in donations.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Mariann Pepitone
I don’t get what are you trying to say Mariann?
What policy of McCain’s are you interested in ?
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
So what area of Chicago did Obama do his street work in? I know it wasn’t Englewood. He wouldn’t dare walk down those streets because he wouldn’t be walking back.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 15, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
A vote for McCain, is a vote to reward his failed policies.
Posted by: AkaDad | September 15, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Palin is so uplifting and happy it is good to see some one who is happy about our country yet sees that a change for real is in order.I was for Hillary but now will vote MCCain.
Posted by: Bishop | September 15, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Belle Starr
Why wouldn’t people who’ve lied about, or misrepresented, everything else lie to the FEC?
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Good point we should investigate McCains money! Given his inability to tell the truth!
Truth shall overcome liars!
Obama 08
The truth maters!
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
If your employee constantly screws up, do you give him a promotion?
Vote McCain. Reward failure.
Posted by: AkaDad | September 15, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Investigate McCain’s money the way we should investigate Obama’s money…money that they raise from Nigeria…because they can’t vote and want to help (tickets sales to his fund raiser where still on his website last week)…illegal…if the American economy is so bad, how are people affording to give so much to Obama’s campaign???
Posted by: samhiguchi | September 15, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
One of the first things Governor Sarah Palin did upon taking office was to have a TANNING BED installed in the Governor’s Mansion for her use.
“The governor did have a tanning bed put in the Governor’s Mansion,” Roger Wetherell, chief communications officer of Alaska’s Department of Transportation and Public Facilities, confirmed to this newspaper. “It was done shortly after she took office [in early 2007] and moved into the mansion.”
Good to know where Sarah Palin’s priorities are. I wonder where that money for the tanning bed came from… They cost between $10,000 – $35,000.
See the full story on Narco.
Posted by: Narco News | September 15, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Ah yes, the nutroots are a classy bunch; especially Kos…
I can’t wait to see what he calls playing hardball; since his lies, distortions, and smear tactics so far, by his own admission, seem not to be…
Oh yes, it’s own Kos…It’s on
Posted by: Bob Reed | September 15, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Kitty: You said it. Obama will raise taxes on almost everything. When McCain stated lower taxes all of a sudden you hear Obama decide to say the same other than that he was going to raise the tax. This country thinks they are in a mess now, if Obama is elected they are in for a shocker. Obama is out for himself and himself only. Remember, he learned it all from Rezko and Ayers the bomber. And he is still friends with Ayers, they live near each other and you can bet he goes to his house when in Chicago. I live in Chicago, lived here all my life and I certainly would like to know what area on the southside that Obama did his community organizing. I am sure it wasn’t in the Englewood neighborhood because he would be taking a chance on his life. I don’t believe he did it for four years maybe four months. I also knew his Hyde Park area when it was nothing but a slum ghetto until it was cleaned up. I never lived on the southside but know it by driving thru the area’s. What a change from the 50′s thru the 70′s.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 15, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Anyone who says Obama will raise taxes on the middle class is lying. The truth is, the middle class will pay more taxes under McCain’s plan.
If you don’t believe me, look at both of their plans.
Posted by: AkaDad | September 15, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Kos not only needs to fight the Republicans, but they need to fight us Libertarians, as well. We’ve joined in with the GOP ever since they picked on of our own libertarian Republicans Sarah Palin to be VP.
They should be on alert. You think the Republicans are going to fight back, you ain’t seen nothing like the viciousness of Libertarians in defending one of their own.
Posted by: Eric Dondero | September 15, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
“I can’t claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled” -Sarah Palin 2003 on her years of smoking pot.
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Obama has lost 18 points in New York since July.
The desperation of his more fanatical cult followers is apparent on any comment thread you read these days.
Keep getting angry.
It worked so well for Dean in 2004.
“New politics?” Yeah, right. The Democrat party’s new ticket is simply
HATE 08
Posted by: Good Lt | September 15, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Fact:
Obama will lower taxes for 95% of Americans.
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
It isn’t just the “far laft bloggosphere” Jake, and you know it. This hate and the lies that have been spread have been transmitted all throughout the MSM and by “rank and file” Democrats. Your party is the party of hate! Your party is the party of lies!
Posted by: Cory | September 15, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Yeah, Palin will be in serious trouble if these political geniuses really take the gloves off. Try going after her family, Kos.
Posted by: Jim Treacher | September 15, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
“Kos says it’s time for the Democrats to get down and dirty.”
An honest person would say that’s just about all they have been capable of
Posted by: Ed Wallis | September 15, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Hmmm. I think “playing hardball” is exactly what Obama will do to lose the election. The oft-repeated chants of “Same,” “Failed Policies,” “Heartbeat away,” “Lies,” “Negative,” “Bush in a Skirt,” etc. have started sounding shrill. Obama has run a very negative campaign against all of his opponents (remember Hillary?), and they respond in kind. McCain has gone negative, but big whoop.
For example, the VERY FIRST comment the Obama campaign made about Palin was that she was a small town mayor, ignoring her status as governor. Many in the media followed suit for a week. A slight jab about community organizing as a defense at the convention, and all of a sudden everyone is a racist who scoffs at being a CO. Touchiness in the extreme…’
So if he “gets tough” it is going to look silly to many people (not his supporters, of course, he can do no wrong in their eyes)
Posted by: Wade | September 15, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
The response to all the Blue and Red rants here…well….Rasmussen and Gallup. PA, MN, WI, and now even NY are getting spongy. Doesn’t matter if you are a Kossack or a McCainiac the trend from Blue to Red is pretty clear. You can’t emote your way out of a math exam.
Posted by: lane2512 | September 15, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Obama won’t lower taxes for 95% of americans because 95% of americans don’t pay income taxes. At least 40% do not.
All this is is welfare.
Posted by: Biscuits McCree | September 15, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
The “raising/lowering” taxes on income argument is incomplete. If Obama “only” raises taxes on those with incomes over $250,000, those incomes = business profits, not just individual incomes. If my grocery store has to pay more taxes, I pay more for my groceries… Obama wants to tax the people who provide me with resources, thus forcing me to pay those taxes in the form of higher prices. Who do you think “The rich” pass the tax burden to? The middle class consumer. John McCain will lower taxes all the way around, which is much fairer and will have us all paying less for our needed goods and services.
Posted by: BJS | September 15, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Cory
Please list the lies ?
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Correction: Republicans have been the party of hate in modern times and for my entire life, but not always (Lincoln was a Republican).
Posted by: April | September 15, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Obama is friends with an unrepentant terrorist named Bill Ayers… began his career in Ayers’ living room.
But who cares about that?
When he does raise taxes on everyone making $250k or more that will effect every small business. He also wants to raise capital gains tax… when every small business gets taxed prices will go up on everything we buy and people will have to get layed off so that the businesses can afford the adjustment.
Posted by: David | September 15, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Obama couldn’t pass the background check to be his own body guard (secret service agent) because of his past association with known terrorist Bill Ayers. He couldn’t pass the background check to be a secret service agent, and you idiots want to make him presidnet!?!?!
Posted by: Frank Whie | September 15, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
@debL “Fact: Obama will lower taxes for 95% of Americans”
False: a significant percentage don’t pay taxes and of those that do, only the top end earners are contributing significantly. You can’t just take a dowsing rod and go hunting for revenues.
BTW: if Palin admits to inhaling, I’m glad. At least she tells the truth and if you are about to get nasty about that, compared to cocaine use, pot is just aspirin that smells terrible.
It is the one thing about this election that is positive. We’ve quit requiring candidates to be saints therefore, requiring them to be liars.
At least Palin talks to us. I’m getting tired of the Democrats talking down to us and lecturing. It’s getting very shrill in the Obama camp.
Posted by: len | September 15, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
These last couple of years, with a Democratic majority in Congress and Republican cabinet, have really hurt everyone and everything. I would have more respect for everyone if they had tried to work together and find solutions instead of trying to block each other at every turn so the other doesn’t look good. But Pelosi and co are the worse.
Posted by: Maria | September 15, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Maybe Lehman Brothers went broke from giving The CHANGEling’s campaign SO MUCH MONEY: Lehman Brothers is one of Obama’s MAJOR corporate backers, right behind Microsoft.
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Biscuits McCree
Obama won’t lower taxes for 95% of americans because 95% of americans don’t pay income taxes. At least 40% do not.
All this is is welfare.
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Obama and mccains tax policys have been gone over by independent groups.
Obama ends the tax breaks for the rich that has seen the largest gap between rich and poor in Americas history and give the lower and middle incomes a bit of a break!
The rich have had 8 years of handouts..
It time for the real America you know the other 95$ to get a break and get this economy going again!
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
BTW: if Palin admits to inhaling, I’m glad. At least she tells the truth and if you are about to get nasty about that, compared to cocaine use, pot is just aspirin that smells terrible.
LOL who told you that len. Are you saying one drug is better than the other, drugs are drugs.
Posted by: zz | September 15, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Deb,
Fact: 40% of Americans payed no income tax last year. You do the math.
Posted by: Bill M | September 15, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Bill Clinton, a Democrat, created 23 million jobs. Reagan, Bush 1, and GW Bush all Republicans, created 25 million jobs. One Democrat created almost as many jobs as 3 Republicans. Even Carter created more jobs than the Bush’s.
Posted by: AkaDad | September 15, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Maybe it’s time for someone to forge some 1971 memos trashing McCain’s service and pass them to Dan Rather! (Note to DKos: use a typewriter rather than MS Word this time)
The idea that the Dems lose because they haven’t been nasty enough is just insane.
Posted by: TallDave | September 15, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Well, let’s recap who supports Barack H. Obama:
-The Daily Kos vows to play dirty for Barack
- DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) and the CCDS Marxist-Leninist party are working hard for Obama from Chicago.
-The Real Barack Obama has also recently reported that Chicago’s Marxist Party is also working hard for Obama.
-Hamas endorses and support Barack
-A call center for Barack was set up in Gaza City in the primaries
-His pastor of 20 years screams “G-D America!”, and calls us the US of KKK A.
-His ethnic-cleansing cousin Odinga is for Barack!
With friends like these, who needs enemies???
Posted by: Rick | September 15, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
read comment from deb that the big O is going to lower taxes for 95% of the people. How can this be, as 40% of the people pay no taxes in the country. does he mean 95% of the other 60% and then the give away to the 40%.
REPUBLICAN: CAUSE WE ALL CANT BE ON WELFARE
Posted by: View From TN | September 15, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Rick, don’t forget 18 million Americans.
Posted by: annie | September 15, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
FACT
Non-partisan fact-check 95% of Americans will see a tax break under Barack Obama’s economic plan!
89% Will see a tax break between $1500-$5500
This doesn’t include the cheaper cost of Health care giveing people the choice to buy into the same health care that senators get. Or the governments commitment to provide $4000 credit toward higher education in exchange for giving back to your community through community service.
Obama 08
Vote on the issues don’t reward McCain’s lies!
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
“Obama is friends with an unrepentant terrorist named Bill Ayers… began his career in Ayers’ living room.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Kos and his crowd of micreants are such a joke.
Posted by: robtr | September 15, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Obama and Biden what a team.
Officials in Iraq spill the beans and reveal that BO wants to stall the withdrawal of troops—so that Bush looks bad and BO looks good.
He uses our troops as a political pawn.
Biden suggests we should elect Obama because he is black.
What are these guys thinking?
Posted by: riley | September 15, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Uh, Deb, how will Obama lower taxes for the 40% of Americans who currently don’t pay any??
Posted by: Yojimbo | September 15, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Deb,
You can’t mean the NYT and WaPo? The Times had 4 hit pieces on Palin in ONE day, 2 of them on the front page. Anne Kornblut has been in the tank for BHO from day one. We won’t see BHO as the 2nd highest beneficiary of contributions from Freddie and Fannie on the front page. ABC did an unfair edit job on Palin’s interview. Non-partisan? That’s a joke.
Posted by: Bill M | September 15, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
View From TN
You wrote:
REPUBLICAN: CAUSE WE ALL CANT BE ON WELFARE.
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McCain said he believes any thing Greenspan says at the start of the years right? RIGHT
Greenspan: “America Can’t Afford McCain’s Tax Plan”
:”Barack Obama plan will lead to economic recovery and growth”
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Obama’s tax plan–handouts to the 40% that don’t pay taxes.
Take money from the small business owners and those that worked hard to become a success and earn over $250,000.
Give their money to those that didn’t.
Posted by: harry | September 15, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Obama will raise income taxes rates on those making $250K or greater from where Bush has dropped them to where Clinton had raised them.
Obama will also levy a payroll tax of 4% of all earning above
Greenspan calls McCain’s tax cuts wrong.
McCain called McCain’s tax cuts (which are really Bush’s tax cuts) irresponsible.
Every independent group agrees that people making above $250K will get more of a tax cut under McCain than Obama.
The same groups agree that people making under $250K will get a larger tax cut from Obama than from McCain.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 15, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Yojimbo,
Look it up and read for yourself its pretty clear they get a tax check!
After 8 years of giving tax breaks to the rich the rest of America gets a break under Obama!
The top 1% get a tax hike and the other 4% get about the same or a little rise in taxes!
Seniors earning less then $50 000 don’t pay tax under Obama’s plan!
I vote on Issues and on the issues Obama wins!
Obama 08 Because truth maters!
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
I really hope Dkos plays hardball. It worked so well for Ned Lamont. This bunch of miscreants playing hardball is like a business selling something at a loss and making it up on volume.
Posted by: Bill M | September 15, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Poor Kos.
Doesn’t he realize the left can never be as shameless and pathologically dishonest as the right.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 15, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Contrast
this quote from KOS:
To all the concerned people emailing me about being played, dont waste your time. Im not about to revert to writing puff pieces about Obama thinking that his magic new politics bulls…
Posted by: Hang Right Politics | September 15, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
“The Times had 4 hit pieces on Palin in ONE day, 2 of them on the front page.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
“I really hope Dkos plays hardball. It worked so well for Ned Lamont.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Deb,
He’s going to take more from one group and give it to people that don’t pay any tax now. That’s income re-distribution and a SOCIALIST principle. It’s one thing to actually reduce someone’s taxes but quite another to give money away in an effort to win votes.
Posted by: Bill M | September 15, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
harry
Take money from the small business owners
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Obama’s plan is the only one which has a plan for small business.
Support Small Business
* Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
* Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Ryan C,
You give him too little credit. He does that without breaking a sweat.
Posted by: Bill M | September 15, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Think I’ll stick to my guns and my religion.
Posted by: Tex Taylor | September 15, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
If MarKos Moulitsas wants his bots to play hardball, he only needs to convince them that McCain is actually… Hillary Clinton!
That will motivate them to a zombie-like frenzy, if they think they are fighting Clinton and Palin at the same time. We’re going to need rabies shots.
They only seem to get really nasty when they are attacking women…
Posted by: Rick | September 15, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
“He’s going to take more from one group and give it to people that don’t pay any tax now. That’s income re-distribution and a SOCIALIST principle. It’s one thing to actually reduce someone’s taxes but quite another to give money away in an effort to win votes”
Except that isn’t remotely true and you are making it up out of whole cloth.
To get a tax cut, one must actually pay taxes.
Obama’s tax cut are mostly geared towards the middle class.
To say Obama is going to be sending tax rebates to people who never paid taxes is a lie.
Not surprisingly it comes from right wingers.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 15, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
That Novak article seems dated. There was no mention of Palin at all, which seems odd. Based on the content of Novak’s article, I’d say it was written prior to Aug 29.
Posted by: Godzilla | September 15, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
You kno what, even liberals are nervous about electing Obama. No one really knows what he’s all about, other than good speeches and support from celebs like Matt Damon and washed -up comedians like Chevy Chase. Even Lindsay Lohan weighed in today with a stupid comment about Sarah Palin. Obama is all superficial flash and now people are seeing him for what he is: a manufactured candidate with no substance. The candidate of “hope” and “change” is simply another liberal who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and his VP choice is the most entrenched liberal Washington insider in the Senate. This is “change”?
The media has been in the tank for so long they have lost any objectivity and are now openly opposing McCain/Palin — everyone sees it. However, the more they produce NYT/Rich/Doud/Krugman hit pieces the more popular McCain/Palin become. Its a repeat of 1984, when Reagan pulverized Mondale – against the hopes and dreams of the same liberals. History repeats itself.
Posted by: Volkmeister | September 15, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Bill M,
you wrote:
He’s going to take more from one group and give it to people that don’t pay any tax now. That’s income re-distribution and a SOCIALIST principle. It’s one thing to actually reduce someone’s taxes but quite another to give money away in an effort to win votes.
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The rich have had 8 years of mega tax breaks Bill M and middle and lower America has worked there buts off and got no where. Im sure you are smart enough to understand that giving 95% of American’s a tax break will lead to economic growth, job growth and investment in America right ?
Giving the richest 5% tax breaks just makes the rich richer! That what happened the last 8 years!
Today being Black Monday and all you can see what and were that get us.
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Deb says:
“Fact:
Obama will lower taxes for 95% of Americans.”
The corollary being: Obama will raise the cost of living for 100% of Americans.
Raising taxes on anyone – particularly businesses – results in higher prices and wage stagnation (at best).
Even Obama himself knows this. Why do you think he said he would not implement his increases until the economy improves?
I also read somewhere that 98% of all statistics are made up on the spot…
Posted by: Jeremy | September 15, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
>> From Deb:
>> …they get a tax check!…The top 1%
>> get a tax hike and the other 4% get
>> about the same or a little rise in
>> taxes!
If you want to steal from Bill Gates, jump his fence and break into his house. I don’t want my government stealing for my benefit.
RegularJoe, a middle-class guy who works hard for every penny I get, every penny I give, and a bunch more that are taken at the point of a (gubmint) gun.
Posted by: RegularJoe | September 15, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Time for hardball…particularly given McCain’s comments today that “the fundamentals of the economy are strong.” I’m sure my friends at Lehman will be reassured by his assessment.
Obama’s right. No one’s been watching the store. How much of our current ecomic woe can be laid at the door of McCain’s economic brain “Phil the Mad Deregulator”? His chickens are certainly coming home to roost…and he says we’re a nation of “whiners.”
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | September 15, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Kos and his blog are a joke. I know that because I laugh at what they try to pass off as truth and substance. It seems half the entries there get refuted/discredited within hours. Hey, thats his money machine and as long as the loons that support that sewer hang out there I think its great, in that they have somewhere to go to spew that venomous left wing radical hate. Whats sad is this. Our “change you can believe in” um, daily as far as the issues go, candidate attends KOS conventions. These are the kind of nutbags he has been engaged with in both pubic and private all his life. oops.
Posted by: ICJakes4Obama | September 15, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Those evil rich people only paying 40+% after all those mega tax breaks. Shame on them! What are they going to do with all that extra cash that the government is “giving” them? Buy a new yaght and hire a few new employees? Pffft.
Naw, it’s better for the potential employees to NOT have jobs and instead depend on the government to take that money and give it to them. Why would anyone want to contribute as a productive member of the society? Can’t you guys see this “will lead to economic growth, job growth and investment in America right?”
As a small business owner I’m always saying “you know, I wish I paid more in taxes so I could have less money so I could hire more people and invest more.”
Posted by: Jeremy | September 15, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Jeremy,
Fact check orgs world wide have made computer models of the plans..
My work at has done them Look at the last eight years McCain’s plan is that on steroids… Look where that has got us!
Baracks plan get every section of the economy going… Obama’s team is the same team as Clinton’s – a few + a few new faces.
Its simple maths my friend. Yes he may have to delay the rise in corp tax as when they created the plan the economy wasn’t in such strife.
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Greenspan:
America Can’t Afford McCain’s Tax Plan.
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
For those that consider the Daily Kos as a far left site remember this. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES ATTENDED THEIR CONVENTION THIS YEAR. None of them could find the time to attend the DLC convention however. Obama and others gave speeches at the convention, so they weren’t merely there for grips and grins.
Daily Kos is the Democrat party and if you don’t believe it just ask Markos himself.
Posted by: Just A Grunt | September 15, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Wow! Wonder what BHO and his minions have been doing all year long, starting with Hillary!! His is the dirtiest campaign that I have ever seen – the insults, accusations, lies, scandals, whining he has done can’t be matched. And I thought he was going to bring in a new kind of politics! Haaa! BHO is the same kind of Politician we all hate! Dirty, dirty, dirty! And that is no fairy tale, folks!
Posted by: Beckie | September 15, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
“LOL who told you that len. Are you saying one drug is better than the other, drugs are drugs.”
And there is the perfect example of why Americans buy SUVs and then complain about the cost of gas.
A whole generation can tell you the difference. They won’t. Why? Fear. Fear makes you stupid
Next time you get a staph infection, drink raspberry tea and let me know how that works out for you.
Posted by: len | September 15, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Deb,
Thanks for clearing that up. Looks like under the Obama plan I’ll be raking in the dough. After initially paying the increased tax rate I will get up to 50% of my health insurance premiums back as a credit. Since I don’t want to disclose the actual numbers let’s say my tax burden will increase by $5,000 and that 50% of my health insurance premiums is $3,500. I guess I could use those new expanded loans to make up the $1,500 difference. And that’s before adding in the increase in the cost of materials purchased from other businesses both small and large.
I guess I made a mistake before, I should be saying to myself “I wish I paid more in taxes so I could have less money so I could hire more people and invest more AND TAKE ON DEBT.”
There, I feel much better now.
Posted by: Jeremy | September 15, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Im not sure hardball is going to help Obama.
He has accused the Iraqi Prime Minister of lying. Iraqi officials say in July Obama suggested they delay troop withdrawal until after the election.
All because success in Iraq is bad for him–makes Bush/McCain look right.
Using the troops as pawns.
How can this be ignored?
Posted by: sally | September 15, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Is this the same Daily Kos that was absolutely giddy when George Soros said at their convention in February, 2007, “America needs to go through a de-Nazification process.”? Yes? Just checking.
Posted by: Woody | September 15, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Man. That KOS dude is a wasted talent. He spent a lot of time as a youngen doing things Right. Converted, and now hatred is all he has left. That poor man is so hurt now. Why is he so willing to fight for Obama? Obama rendered all his good hard work useless. I just dont get the layer after layer of stupid ignorance these people seem to have. Obama put the screws to them with his lack of judgment, and they blindly praise the idiot. Its starting to look like one big StuckOnStupid Cult. How befitting that Mr KOS, aka King Of Stupidness should rise to defend Obamassiah, The Lord of the Rings of Stupidity?
Selfish
Thoughtlessness
Unleashed
Palin
Inspired
Derangement
Into
The
Yahoos
Posted by: KingOfStupid | September 15, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Hey Deb! Explain to me in exact terms how obama is going to ‘LOWER TAXES’ on 95% of people in America, and please somehow incorporate into your answer in a coherent manner the fact that 40% of people do not pay any taxes, and the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes already. Within your answer, please also explain how it’s fair that those who spent their whole lives studying in school, and working their as_es of year after year to achieve the American Dream (by far a majority of those who are “rich” as opposed to Paris Hilton or Matt Damon), pay even more than they do in taxes simply to help those who expect the government to give them everything. Also, re: that last part, please explain what Kennedy meant by “ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country:
Posted by: Hawk | September 15, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
You know What I Love About the Left & The Libs > They Always get Burn By The Fires They Set > Lets Look > Hill Gets In Power As A Woman In Scorn, Then Gets Knock By A Sexist Minority Male, Only To Get Boxed Out By A Little Known Woman From Hicksville USA > Then They Pile On The New Woman Only To Elect The Old White Guy They All Hate > Does It Get A Better Than This ?? KEEP It Up KOS
Now We Get To Watch Them Blow Up > Live And On TV >>> Thanks Kos,
We Love U,
America & Americans One And All
Posted by: Doreen mac | September 15, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
I agree with Kos. Republicans are running our economy into the ground because of deregulation. It will get worse if McLame wins.
Posted by: Republicans for Obama | September 15, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
The Daily Kooks aren’t fooling anyone intelligent. Those puny intellectual thugs have been sliming McCain and Palin since they because the respective POTUS and VPOTUS candidates for their party.
The problem is, Obama’s campaign isn’t content to let a bunch of hateful internet geeks do their dirty work. They feel compelled to jump into the mud with them.
Hopefully Obama’s defeat will be so sound that he’ll lose his Senate seat in 2010 and remain in the “Where is he now file?” thereafter.
Posted by: ynot4tony2 | September 15, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Can’t wait until November 5th when the dysfunctional little anti-social twits can go back to playing WOW all day and leave the grown ups alone!
As a democrat I dare say, the CROWNING of Obama by the DNC has been the most embarrassing political blunder in my lifetime. I guess they figured we hated Bush and neo-con economics so much that we’d be willing to install the vacuous, corrupt and dangerous Mr. Obama anyway.
Guess they were wrong
Posted by: Linda | September 15, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
“We’re going to win this thing the way campaigns are won — by playing hardball.”
Right, because that effeminate, squeaky little prawn Kos is all about “winning!”
How many elections have his candidates won?
Posted by: David | September 15, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Palin’s high-octane debut
is running out of gas.
Posted by: anon | September 15, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Anyone who thinks the Democrats have been playing anything other than “gutterball” since last year, is an idiot. Simple as that.
O! is looking weak and stupid because, well, he IS weak and stupid. Outside of “fullfilling my own personal ambition,” what has he accomplished? Zero.
Posted by: ginsocal | September 15, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
I don’t want a Bush 3rd term, but I would rather have that than a Carter 2nd term.
Posted by: Molonlabe28 | September 15, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Obama admits his Pakistan policy is the same as Bush’s
Obama wants US troops out of Iraq in 16 months instead of McCain’s 20
Obama’s Iran policy relies entirely on hope that his charisma will bring nuclear peace to the mideast
Obama’s policy on pre-emptive strikes is the same as Bush’s
Obama opposes the war in Iraq under any and all circumstances, but if he’s President expects us to support it
Nah, I’m not buying it anymore. I’m a Democrat, and would rather vote for McCain than a repeat of Bush’s foreign policy with a D next to the name.
Posted by: Scott Malensek | September 15, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
For the life of me I don’t understand why Democrats let the two percenters of America, the moveon & daily kos types, run the party into the ground after claiming they bought and paid for it two years ago!
Posted by: mary | September 15, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Seems to me this started when Obama falsely claimed McCain said he wanted a 100 year war in Iraq months ago and never stopped repeating it.
Posted by: kari | September 15, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
They’re crazy. That’s why they lose.
Posted by: John | September 15, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Deb,
Did your model mention that Obama’s “plan” would increase taxes on retirees? That 75% of all jobs in the US come from the group of people whom Obama would levy a tax? That “simple math” would clearly show that such a tax would create disincentive to expand and or hire?
Stacey,
“there are people in the world that are smarter than most, that doesn’t make them elite”. That statement is not elitist, that’s just pompous ignorance.
Tungsten
Look in the Democrat mirror.
Jiffy,
Wow you R that Stoopid.
Liberal dims are justed PO’d because they got faced again…
Posted by: Can they be that stoopid? | September 15, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Any senior earning under $50,000 a year pays no tax under Obama’s plan.
Greenspan: “America Can’t Afford McCain’s Tax Plan”
Greenspan: “Barack Obama’s plan will lead to economic recovery and growth”
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
So I take it the Kos is admitting Obama’s “new politics” is empty rhetoric.
At least we agree on something.
Posted by: JA | September 15, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Deb,
Just come out and say it.You want other ppeople’s money to spend on yourself.
40% of taxpayers not only pay no taxes….they get 3.8% of the taxes paid to THEM from the taxpayers who actually do pay.
It’s income re-distribution plain and simple
Now for some cipering…hmmm….if 40% pay NO taxes, how can 95% get a tax break.
Can you say BRIBE.
Posted by: notafool | September 15, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Greenspan: “Barack Obama’s plan will lead to economic recovery and growth”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 15, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
The debates between McCain and Obama will decide it all.
No one trusts the press, but they can see, compare and size up with their own eyes who is the better candidate when they go one-to-one in the debates.
Posted by: Zank | September 15, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
notafool,
I make a good living so no i don’t want anyone else s money. I do want a growing economy and i do want to know my kids will get a fair shake! That middle and lower America should get a leg up as apposed to the rich getting handouts they dint ask for and don’t need!
Posted by: Deb | September 15, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Hah! Quoting the dailykrud. If the Dems would have only listened to him before the last election….oh wait they did.
Posted by: Mack | September 15, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
If this nation is foolish enough to elected the two most liberal senators in Washington (#1, #3), you will see this wonderful country drown in a sea of socialism. Remember, Obama is an apostle of Saul Alinsky, the radical socialist, and will follow his teachings to the letter; that taxes should be used for the re-distribution of wealth.
Posted by: Mewzikman | September 15, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Its gonna be Obama vs Maccain.
Republican drama is over. Most people are realizing that Palin is just a Nuisance.
Posted by: Y | September 15, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
Mewzikman – what’s so wonderful about our country now? Because of the last eight years of wonderful Bush and wonderful Cheney the economy’s shot to hell. People are getting kicked out of their homes. Many thousands of jobs have been lost. Health care is unaffordable for many. Schools are crumbling. Our kids are dying in a war that was waged only to satisfy our wonderful president’s personal agenda and if they somehow make it home alive they wind up killing themselves. Our rights as citizens of this wonderful country have been chipped away at so badly and we’re so oblivious we won’t see it until it’s too late. We have a weak, old, sick man running for president and we call him a maverick. His running mate is a lying, reactionary bully who will set women’s rights, among others, back a century. So, tell me, what’s so wonderful about our country now?
Posted by: counting crows | September 15, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
I thought a candidate declares they are running for the presidency, go out there and campaign, and millions of people know how the process works, because they actually get out of their houses and go out there and vote. I didn’t know the party actually “crowns” somebody, I guess you learn something new everyday. Shame on all of you millions of people who voted for Obama, and failed to see his vacousity among other things. HA!
Posted by: morrigan | September 15, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
Most normal americans think Markos is a real nasty guy. These liberal organizations are bad for democrats and bad for america. But the first amendment says that can be a vile and hateful as they want.
Posted by: gmcc | September 16, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
Obama will lose by a landslide. If only for one reason:
Obama thinks he is better than you.
And I do mean you. YOU. Anyone reading this. It doesn’t matter which party you are supporting. Obama thinks he is better. Than you.
The majority of Americans don’t dance to that tune. Never will. Palin only underscores that fatal flaw.
Dissections of tax policy won’t help. This was over long ago- when the American people met Obama. And understood.
Posted by: puma_purr | September 16, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am