Lipstick Jungle

John McCain has no honor. No sense of decency. No principles. He is a disgrace and a shame.

Here’s the deal. Obama makes a lipstick reference and everyone knows what he is referring to. Then, he is out all over the news defending the innocence of his comment, but only after first repeating it. And, the media is going along with this.
The result, people forget about the sexism, which the news media seems to condone anyway, while the image of lipstick on pigs keeps getting shown and reinforced.
Score one for Obama and his media toadies. Brilliant. Obama takes a little heat for a smear and sexism, while he gets to tar Palin.
When are women going to stand up and say enough is enough.

I wish Obama were referring to Palin because that’s what I thought when she compared herself to a pitbull.
The McCain camp is losing their bump and are now in panic mode.

The ad is not misleading. Jake wasn’t there, yet as usual defends Obama.
Obama is talking about McCain and change (represented by Palin)then tells the analogy in which Palin represents the pig (change). We all know he was referring to Palin while not overtly calling her a pig. Remember when Bill Clinton used an analogy that SC was not a pivotal state by remarking that Jesse Jackson won there too? Of course you do -that was considered a racist remark.

Woe to us if decisions are made in November based on the kind of baloney discussed in this post – every journalist the in the US, conservative, liberal or in-between should be outraged that Palin is repeating verified lies every day on the campaign trail – about saying “no thanks” to the bridge to nowhere, about selling her jet on Ebay and firing her chef, about being an earmark maverick, etc. This is a clearly dishonest, dangerously misleading character to put near the highest office in the land. If the public doesn’t know about her lies, it’s because the press has completely lost its integrity as defender of the public interest in favor of tabloid gossip about lipstick, pigs and nonsense.
You and I may die based on a stupid decision Palin makes or lie she tells. This is a person who doesn’t believe global warming is caused by humans and thinks Creationism should be taught in school – she seems like an attractive person – but absurd as VP in the 21st century. I can’t believe this country is considering her for a moment.

The Republicans owe the American public an apology for the last 8 years, for the smoke and mirrors campaign they’ve been running and for the lack of respect that they themselves have shown for John McCain. One things that has become abundantly clear is that a Republican with lipstick is still a Republican.

so sad. mcain and the republicans have been hiding (YES, HIDING!) behind sarah palin’s skirt for two weeks now. i want a president that will stand against the storm, not hide behind his vp.

McCain has proved he can get into the gutter and sold his soul to Rove. It is clear that he will stoop as low as possible to win. It’s not “country first” his new logo should be “McCain first, win at all costs.” It’s blatantly absurd to call policy criticisms, which this was, sexism or disrespect for the POW. Anyone who claims this was a comment on Palin is either a liar or just plain old stupid.

If you listen to the whole thing that Obama said and not that one analogy, you would know he was not calling Palin a pig. He went on to say that if you wrap a fish in paper that says change, it will still stink after a few days. The saying about lipstick on a pig is an old saying. His point was that no matter how you try to dress up or disguise something, its true nature comes out. It seems like the Rep. will claim sexism if Obama sneezes at the wrong point in one of his speeches. The sexism claim is starting to become like the little boy who cried wolf.
BTW, I am a female who has had to deal with sexism.

Women have to be careful anywhere they are, because the republicans want to misuse you as they have misused the misfrtunes of Palin’s children. Sexism is not part of Obama’s campaign and it is not part in Obama’s attitude nor in Biden’s attitude. We women have to understand that Palin is not on our side at all in any issue which is important for women Palin and McCain are in the wrong direction. God save America from McPalin.

ISSUES PEOPLE ISSUES. Cosmetics can wait.

The “Bridge to Nowhere” is a DEAD HORSE. The project was stopped. It seems as though this is ALL anyone could find on her; aside from the Alchoholic Trooper needing to be fired. These are such WEAK arguments that supporters and those on the fence could care less as you can see from the posts.

His speech on education is a good one.

McCain used the comment to describe Hillary Clinton’s health care plan long before Obama used it. If you are calling Obama an idiot, you are also calling McCain an idiot.

80% of people I knew think Obama tried to release his frustration by using the lipstick-on-pig line. If he didn’t think people would link his line with Palin, then he is really stupid and insensitive. If he knew and he said it in a way to allude people to think that way, then he is really really low.
Reporters and Obama supporters: It does not matter how much you want to help him explain. It the people who were not in the audience who decide. This gives those who are already not voting for him one more reason to not vote for him. For those who are swinging, this may just push them over.

Imagine someone in McCain camp made a reference to Obana and his proposals using a tar pit metaphor and chuckled while at it.
What did Pres. Clinton say that they started branding him as a racist? Much less than a ‘lipstick’ reference.

I think this whole affair is preposterous. I think it’s very clear that Obama was not referring to Palin… and I think it’s because he doesn’t need to resort to such playground name-calling to disagree with Palin’s record and dubious beliefs.
Making an issue of this is on par with the flag pin brouhaha. At some level, I think the American people need to just ignore these irrelevant asides and get back to talking about the issues that matter.
Like global warming. Or the prospect of global cosmopolitanism.
These non-sequiturs just make American politics look like a joke.

Gee Jake, if you AND your media colleagues have BO’s back on this – who are we to question? Ya’ll have been so fair and even handed all along…
Once again, pat us ‘fly over country’ folks on the head and keep on patronizing us. Just be ready on November 5 to be ‘shocked’ (AGAIN) when WE elect the President.

It is stupid to say Obama or Biden hate women, when it’s McCain and Palin who want to control the reproductive rights of all women, take away any choice they have even to birth control, continue unequal pay for equal work, and push a right wing policy that would undercut healthcare (you’ll be paying taxes on your healthcare benefits under mccain), social security (he wants to privatize it), more war (he wants to send troops to iran and russia), … how are all these going to help women. Palin will do absolutely nothing for women. And Obama was criticizing their policy not her, stop playing the sexist card, it demeans all women who really do face sexism at the hands of people like McCain/Bush. “John McCain, me first, win at all costs.”

Can we really believe that obama intended to use this well-worn expression simply to attack policy? Does he think we are that stupid? He’s using the
cover of, “it’s a common expression” to get away with demeaning the first female VP on a Republican ticket. What a strategy to court the female vote! He’s getting desperate, and it shows. He’s no
statesman…what a sham!

“keep on patronizing us.”
Where have you been the last 8 years?

Bama shows his true colors; a jerk and out-right liar; just like all good socialists.

“If he didn’t think people would link his line with Palin, then he is really stupid and insensitive. If he knew and he said it in a way to allude people to think that way, then he is really really low.”

I read all the comments here and other sites and I shake my head wondering to myself, “What good lives people posting in these forum live. Personal attacks, racism and downright whining and No one even the media seems to give though about the real issues at hand. The economy is in shambles, schools cuts, Our children dying in two wars and oh hell what is the point. You GUYS are living perfect lives that these are not your issues only the poor and minorities.

I have no problem with what Obama called Palin. She is because, really, she is, and really, she should be home taking care of her kids.
This is Obama’s year.
Obama/Biden ’08

Obama is a sexist pig.

Anyone foolish enough to believe this “pig” nonsense and vote in Repubs after what they’ve done for 8 years deserves what they get – McCain Palin have the same policies, for anyone who cares to actually pay attention. They’ve shafted non-rich Americans. The rest of us don’t deserve more of these clowns. Bush has shown himself to be both a fool and a liar – unfortunately, McCain, who I used to have some admiration for, has shown himself to have similar qualities recently.
They are relying on the “fly-over” Limbaugh listeners to keep believing the nonsense distractions they keep generating. I’m amazed the fly-overs don’t realize they’re buying right into Rove’s playbook.

You know sexism when you see it. I have seen it in many facets in my life. Questions of Sarah Palin’s ability to work and raise children. Obama sayiny his 2 wear him out. Is that issues? Insults about lipstick–is that issues?
Mr. Obama (hardly can call him a senator -he has been absent from work for 19 out of 24 months) isn’t the super star any more. And the poor dear is annoyed that a woman stole his spot light.
Let us talk about the lawsuit filed in federal court against Obama stating he is not a natural born citizen. Haven’t heard anything in the media.
So I say don’t throw rocks when you live in a glass house.

Giving the Dems some of their own medicine.

Kelvinator: I am defending WOMEN against SEXISM. Your translation of people you DON”T KNOW, does not define people; it defines YOU! Attack the candidates not our freedom of speech.

McCain is openly mocking HRC supporters and their claims of sexism. This is not sexism and as a woman I’m insulted that true bias is being reduced to absolute nonsense. McCain can’t run on the issues so he has decided to make up smears and lies to get people to vote on emotion. Name one issue he’s talked about since the convention. None, but he can make up this crap because Karl Rove thinks America is stupid.
Karl, I’m not stupid. I see you for what you are. You can fool the rest of America, but you haven’t fooled me yet.

If Obama is so worried about the American people, the economy, etc.
Why is he spending all his time on Palin?
Someone please remind Obama his opponent is McCain.

Very good ANTHONY!

AT WORST Obama was calling McCain the pig (same old policies) and Palin and their new “change” act the lipstick. This is basic grammar school stuff and the fake outrage from the GOP is ridiculous.

NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 November 2008
McCain/Palin wins with a landslide!!

Whatever Barack Obama meant, he was right about it.

By the way, MCCAIN is running for president, NOT Sarah “Lipstick on a Pitbull” Palin.
Sorry, folks. Keep dreaming.
McCain is a jerk.

Jake,
Come on, you seem like a smart guy – of course he was taking a swipe at Palin. Everyone in his audience saw it – and you can’t? He was being too cut by half and got caught again – just like when he flipped off Hillary Clinton after the ABC debate. Low class and you know it.

Just more of the same sexist putdowns from Obama. Nothing new here. It’s obviously deeply engrained in his character.
The ‘sweetie’ putdown of a reporter accompanied by snickers from Obama and the fat, white, managers accompanying him was actually much more revealing – to say nothing of his campaign against Hillary.
It will be sweet justice that his sexist fueled refusal to name Hillary a running mate will likely be his major mistake in losing the run for the white house.

Lol at the Obama campaign imploding. They are busy reminding “flyover country” how big of dumb, ignorant hicks we are and that we just need to let the enlightened people from NYC, LA and DC make our decisions for us.

@Cryos:
You can bet that if the estate tax gets repealed under McCain it will be against 95% of the American people’s self interests. There’s already a deduction for up to $2M of ones’ estate. That’s far more than most people have when they die. But to repeal it all means the Very Rich hand all of their wealth off to their families with no taxation whatsoever; meaning sons, daughters, whole families down the line receive wealth they did not work for or earn, forever. That’s a Monarchy.
It has nothing to do with greed. It has everything to do with fairness. Perhaps you should disclose your own financial state so it’s more readily apparent where you’re coming from with your post.
In any event, I stand by what I wrote.

LOL Biden made a gaffe because he couldn’t see a man in a wheelchair and asked him to stand up? Oh, look, it’s Freeperland’s favorite, Newsmax.
They’re making something out of nothing, friend. And you’re happy to follow along.
Baaaa… baaaa…
The sheep in the pasture say, “baaaa”.

Not misleading. False. Look at the context
“John McCain says he’s about change too, and so I guess his whole angle is, ‘Watch out George Bush — except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics — we’re really going to shake things up in Washington,’” he said.
“That’s not change. That’s just calling something the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig. You know you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it’s still going to stink after eight years. We’ve had enough of the same old thing.”
You have to be a complete lunatic with zero self-awareness to see any reference to Palin in there. This makes me sick.

“You can bet that if the estate tax gets repealed under McCain it will be against 95% of the American people’s self interests. There’s already a deduction for up to $2M of ones’ estate. That’s far more than most people have when they die. But to repeal it all means the Very Rich hand all of their wealth off to their families with no taxation whatsoever; meaning sons, daughters, whole families down the line receive wealth they did not work for or earn, forever. That’s a Monarchy.
It has nothing to do with greed. It has everything to do with fairness. Perhaps you should disclose your own financial state so it’s more readily apparent where you’re coming from with your post.
In any event, I stand by what I wrote.”
I personally strongly agree with your statement for several reasons.
1. You forget about things like family farms and businesses that have a lot of assets. Say bye bye to the small remainder of family farms if this happens.
2. If someone works hard why shouldn’t they be able to pass on the assets to their kids? Why should someone else get the fruits of their labor? This sounds like jealousy and greed to me.
By the way I am middle class, paid my way through college and all my possessions were paid for by me so your insinuation I am rich is completely off the mark.
I work hard for what I have and I can tell you if working like I do in IT had the same quality of living as working at a gas station why would I want to deal with the hard work, continuous education and responsibility? I guarantee I am not alone in this thinking which is EXACTLY why socialism does not work and brings a country down.

Stilton no response? I assume you can acknowledge you have not thought the death tax issue through and didn’t think about thinks like small business or family farms.
That’s what I see as one of the problems with class warfare. Often a $ amount and distraction blinds people from the real effect of their policies. Kind of like Obama’s $250K being “rich” notion for taxes. Once again small businesses lose out BIG TIME under this scenario since most small businesses file as individuals.

Lol I’m full of typos.
In my big post I meant disagree* not agree and in the other post “didn’t think about things* like small business or family farms” is what I meant.
Stilton I would still like to get your take on income taxes above $250K a year and the estate tax in relation to small business including family farms.
I understand that the estate tax issue for “rich” people not including family farms and small business is more philosophical, but could you provide me insight why people should not be able to pass on their wealth to their families? To me that’s one of the things america was built on is to reward hard work so that we can make our lives better.
Just because I’m not rich doesn’t mean I think people that are should be punished. I rather look at what I can do to get there.

“This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by CBS Interactive Inc.”
Heh.

>>I would argue you were making this insinuation and I bet 90%+ of people reading this thread would agree. In my book you just shot any credibility you might have had so there is no point debating with you any further since it appears to me you’re being dishonest.
Hey, that’s your choice. It was a simple question. If you can’t tell me your perspective as it relates to your financial position, there’s no sense debating the finer points, was the insinuation. If you want to take offense, fine. I’m not your mother and no, I’m not going to apologize.
I don’t think punishing the rich (as you put it) is the answer to a “liberal utopia” (your words), either. My perspective is that those who can afford to give more in taxes, should, because it’s greedy and un-American not to. Look at our $3 TRILLION debt. All the while this Reagonomics (“Trickle Down Economics”) scheme the Republicans have forced down our throats simply doesn’t work over the last 28 years — minus the 8 years Clinton was in office, arguably our most prosperous ever. Good stewards of fiscal conservativism? Not the Republicans. That’s a fact.
Any savings the rich get in tax cuts they end up saving, not reinvesting in the economy, as is intended. Moreover, giving the very wealthy ADDITIONAL tax cuts in a time of fiscal crisis is irresponsible in thinking this is going to benefit the economy as a whole. Why? The very rich will just pocket the savings by TAKING IT OUT OF THE ECONOMY, not reinvesting it in business and such.
Recently someone tried to corner Charles Barkley on whether he thought a tax hike for the rich was unacceptable. Here’s what he said: “Well, I think that if you’re rich — I thank God I’ve been very successful — if you’re rich, you’re always going to be rich. If we pay more in taxes, I got no problem with that. If you’re making that kind of money, a couple hundred thousand dollars here or there are not going to change your life.”
Well said, Chuck.
As for the rest of what you said about taxes over $250,000, see above.
Farms, on the other hand are a special consideration and should be treated as such. I don’t really have to debate the finer nuances of farms as they relate to the estate tax. Maybe later.
Peace out.

“I don’t think punishing the rich (as you put it) is the answer to a “liberal utopia” (your words), either. My perspective is that those who can afford to give more in taxes, should, because it’s greedy and un-American not to.”
The rich give A LOT more in taxes than anyone else. The “greedy and unamerican” thing once again; sigh. Its un-american to forcibly take people’s possessions from them in the name of society in my opinion. It’s easy for people that haven’t earned things to say they have the right to them.
“Any savings the rich get in tax cuts they end up saving, not reinvesting in the economy, as is intended.”
Maybe you don’t understand the concepts of investment. Macroeconomics 101 might help in this. “Saving” for rich people means reinvesting.
“I’ve been very successful — if you’re rich, you’re always going to be rich. If we pay more in taxes, I got no problem with that. If you’re making that kind of money, a couple hundred thousand dollars here or there are not going to change your life.”
Lol by the logic your own quote you just say why taxing the rich doesn’t work and hurts the middle class in the end. It’s like overtaxing business. They will pass on the costs back to the consumer and screw the middle class more.
“Farms, on the other hand are a special consideration and should be treated as such. I don’t really have to debate the finer nuances of farms as they relate to the estate tax. Maybe later.”
Nice cop out for the fact you were wrong and didn’t think about things like farms, small business, etc. Once again economics 101. The important thing is hopefully you learned something regarding the REAL effects of things like the estate tax.

McCain is now stuck in a bind. His first rally without Palin will be so poorly attended that the media will highlight it all over, and show McCain how poorly valued he is by the Republican base.
He cannot afford to let her go campaign alone.
That’s why he is not going to have any rallies when she is in Alaska for the rest of the week. What a chicken?!! Wonder what his campaign is going to spin this as: ‘John needs to rest his sorry behind for a while’.
This will be a great opening for Obama to take center-stage.

“The rich give A LOT more in taxes than anyone else. The “greedy and unamerican” thing once again; sigh. Its un-american to forcibly take people’s possessions from them in the name of society in my opinion. It’s easy for people that haven’t earned things to say they have the right to them.”
We’re just going to have to agree to disagree there. If what you say is true neither you nor I would ever own any land in the U.S., as it would’ve all been taken long ago. If you like living in a fiefdom as a serf, I suggest you find another country to live.
“Maybe you don’t understand the concepts of investment. Macroeconomics 101 might help in this. “Saving” for rich people means reinvesting.”
Uh, I do understand macroeconomics and I do understand that saving for rich people means storing it in a bank and not touching it so it gains interest. If you want to defend trickle down economics, go right ahead, but I can show you very clearly that it does not work for the majority of Americans. Rich Americans, yes. Poor Americans, no.
“Lol by the logic your own quote you just say why taxing the rich doesn’t work and hurts the middle class in the end. It’s like overtaxing business. They will pass on the costs back to the consumer and screw the middle class more.”
This doesn’t make any sense to me in terms of context. I get the gist of what you’re saying but with what quote are you referencing? Elaborate.
“Nice cop out for the fact you were wrong and didn’t think about things like farms, small business, etc. Once again economics 101. The important thing is hopefully you learned something regarding the REAL effects of things like the estate tax.”
I said I didn’t have TIME to debate the nuances of farms and the estate tax. I am not sure why it wasn’t posted, but that’s what I wrote.
The real effects of the estate tax are to circumvent a permanent upper class. Period. It is designed this way on purpose, because it’s un-American to establish the Old European style of economic oligarchy, generally exercised on the many by the privileged few (usually by a ruling class, e.g. a monarchy in most instances, who held prominence not by merit but by birthright and blood).
If you want to defend the merits of your arguments, fine, but I disagree with them. And as an American, I understand that the vision our forefathers had of this country was in direct contravention of the European-style governments they escaped from in the first place. I agree with that sentiment and that vision, and that’s why I say it’s un-American to away with the estate tax. Not to punish the rich but to give something back to your country when you die so that maybe, just maybe, someone else can share the same opportunities and prosperity as you.

Here’s the deal….if Obama meant nothing by it….he could simply say so and apologisize. It is voters not McCain that were offended.
He is picking the wrong fight her…apologize and move on instead of trying to attack McCain.
Lot’s of Hillary voters, Republicans and Independents saw the sexism and the reverse racism in Obama’s primary run….McCain’s camp is trying to innoculate itself. Brilliant

Agreed Stilton agreeing to disagree is the best thing on some of these issues since they are philosophical.
I think we both have good intentions but have different perspectives on what we think cause the situations.
Just as you view the estate tax as a way to prevent a permanent upper class (a good thing I know we can agree upon) I see it from a different perspective.
The quote from Barkley I meant is “the rich will always be rich” is something that factors into my perspective.
I see things like estate tax and high taxes having no real negative effect on “old money” but keeping people from climbing up the ladder. The rich will always find innovative ways to stay rich regardless of the taxes they pay so to me high taxes keep the “old money” in play but stop “new money” from getting anywhere.

I just have to say this. If Palin was a man – an anti-abortion, anti-gay rights anti environment MAN, would women be rushing to HIS defense?
Lets look beyond her genetalia folks – her vues are ultra right wing SCARY