McCain Campaign Manager Assaults Grey Lady

From your headline I thought there was a brawl. Jake, please, try harder next time.

just the facts maam

Republicans do no wrong, everything is peachy keen in America today…. the fundamentals are great….. Bush & Cheney wonderful leaders for the Republicans and Conservatives.. embrace them and laud them….. everyone’s out to get them.
It’s a good thing they weren’t running things since 2000…….. wait…… they were…
Mission Accomplished !!

“Let’s be clear and be honest with each other about something fundamental to this race, which is this,” Schmidt said in a conference call, “whatever the New York Times once was, it is today not by any standard a journalistic organization.”
I heard this before…
oh yeah during the last 8 years with…
It’s called workign the refs
and it worked on
wmd
Katrina
Mission Accomplished
judicial appointments
leaking a CIA operatives name and in essence blaming Russert.
closed door energy meetings
Abu Ghraib
ignoring our crumbling infrastructure as liberal taxing bologne
Presidential signing statements
our losing battle in Afghanistan
missing emails
wire taps
and the list goes on
same team
same tactics
same outcome
9th year.

Kitty must have had her tv off for the last year and a half.
lol
that explains a lot.

Put a lipstick on a pig, it is a pig, McCain is in the pocket of lobbyiest who has spent 26 years of his life advocating for deregulation. Period. He cannot reinvent himself at all. Palin was asking rape victimes to pay for their medical bills, she is against women even in case of rape, she cannot reinvent herself. God save America from McPalin.

So the media should vet Obama but not Palin?
I disagree that Obama has not been vetted by the media. Remember the eternal Democratic primary? Remember Clinton’s campaign? Remember Rev. Wright all over the TV for weeks? Remember the 92-minute interview Obama gave last March in which he answered any and all questions about Rezko?
Give me a break. The McCain campaign just wants the media to rehash old trash from the primaries to help their candidate while at the same time wanting them to ignore the lobbyists running McCain’s campaign and their ties to Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
In fact, McCain should be thanking the media for not getting into his involvement in the Keating Five.

mccain camp don’t care about middle income people and they are running a nasty campaign and they lable everybody who writes against them this mccain was the favoritte politician for times now all of a sudden timesis the one who backs obama? please give me abreak.
people have 8 years experience of the nasty campaign.you can’t fool us again

hippie
Have you been to africa ?

The number of probing stories the NY Times has written over the course of the campaign about Barack Obama, his life, his religion, his childhood, his politics, his time in the state senate, his time in the U.S. Senate, his family, his religion, his friends, his fundraising and all other manner of associations: More than 40!
The number of stories the NY Times has written over the course of the campaign about the last major financial regulatory crisis, resulting in a huge bailout, and which John McCain was centrally involved in with his political godfather Charles Keating: 0

Everybody I know is on to the media bias for Barack now. The brainwashing continues however. Journalism is DEAD. THis crop, not just the NYT but the whole CRop, including the veterans, have ruined AMerican Journalistic Values and public perception across the globe. The Media is the reason the rest of the world hates AMerica. The media brainwashed us to support the Iraq War. Then they blamed Bush for the failures when they, the media, built all the support for it. The media sucks. All of it, but CNN, NYT, MSNBC are the worst.
NYT now stand for New York Toilet Paper

Roger Miller
The NYT is Americas most respected newspaper Internationaly!

Steve Schmidt is attacking everyone. I have been keeping a list – he called the mainstream media – Piranhas. Steve also labeled Democrats- Wolves. He even hates Marlyn Monroe and Charlie Chaplin and their dead the reason they are Celebrities. He hates musicians and I’m sure the list will grow in the next 38 days. Listen does America care what Schmidt says anymore? Hes shameless really. You see the Schmidts of this world rule by fear even his own people fear him. Fear can only take Schmidt/Rove so far. So New York Times welcome to the club. We are all on Schmidt’s list. I still think this is just anther distraction so Palin doesn’t have to do interviews or answer questions from the mainstream media.

McCain is jumping back and forth. Two many faces, are causing him to lose his idenity. His Tycoons have been in control of the stock market. They control the Oil, which effects our dollar. McCain is a front man for his Oil advisors. He is saying anything, without meaning, to be able to play the ‘outcome’, in his favor. Its a smart tactic, but it has a flaw. ME. I will gladdy report info. But you, the reader, must research for yourself, and draw your own conclusions. But be ready for McCain ‘shockers’. His Tycoons have a lot of money, and are waiting to buyout many, falling stocks. Unions need to watch their own companies stocks, before we all end up over-seas.

May we please talk about policies? Please prove that people on this blog have a brain and are not just supporting a candidate because of their party preference and therefore the other guy is completely evil.

Cindy: The McCain camp is not whining nearly as much as democrats believe say. Instead they are responding directly to ads and questions that are slanted and biased against the McCain camp. There is a difference between whining and defending oneself.
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I agree. And the McCain camp is whining. Instead of defending themselves on the facts, they are attacking the fact checker as biased.
Palin is doing the same thing in Troopergate. If she’s innocent, she should stand up and say so. Give us the facts in her favour. Instead, she (now the McCain campaign) attacks the investigation as biased.
I mean, what a wonderful strategy! Agree with me, or you’re biased!

“Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.”
But he has only been at this level of payment from the crimals at Mae and Mac for 3 years! Give him time.

Blah, blah, blah. Notice that ol’ hollow point can’t deny THE TRUTH – which is that Davis raked in the major cash to lobby for Fannie and Freddie.
I guess THE TRUTH is 300% in the tank for Obama.
Seriously, the only joke sicker than this cat’s phony outrage is that cowed journalists lap it up as if it were news.
Please, spare us.

The New York Times’ bias was obvious during the primaries, as well. They love Obama – although for the life of me I don’t know why – as does MSNBC. It’s funny because I always heard Fox News was the most slanted of cable news – I’m an independent – but during this election, Fox News has appeared to be the most balanced. While it has its commentators, who identify themselves as such, CNN and MSNBC have blatently turned into Obama’s cheerleaders. That’s not journalism; it’s American Idol-style reporting, and it stinks.

How the John (Bush) McCain groopies can blame the Democrats for the current financial crisis is beyond rational thinking. The Republicans have controlled Congress for the last 12 years (they controlled it when Phil Gram started the deregulation movement during the Clinton Administration). It’s only been the last 18 months that the Democrats have had the ability to stop the slide (but it was already too late). You also can’t forget the Republicans running the White House for the last seven years. It’s time to take onus for your own screw ups….the financial debacle that the country faces today is the result of McCain’s chief financial advisor, the White House and the Republican Congress. If you want more of the same then elect Mr. Flip-flop and his neofacist Bush-in-a-skirt partner.
Clearly, it’s time for a change and that change is Obama. We need someone who isn’t for screwing the middle class and is smarter than thinking that drilling will solve all our economic problems.

no thanks obama- check out McCains gun policies, and then look at his latest ads. He is multi-faced, and is willing to say anything to win. Empty promises swayed me against him a long time ago. Playing the fence, is he? What happens when he runs out of fence? He falls down. Vote Independant, but not McCains Tycoons.

To Red Red Whine….
Well said!

Saucy: It’s called saying “Why do you expect me to answer your question when you won’t ask the same about Obama’s people, especially with the same enthusiasm?” Plus I don’t care about the campaign managers. I care about the candidates themselves.

Did he answer the question about the $2 million that Davis received from Fannie and Freddie or did he just go on a rampage and play “beat the press”?

Truthfully, outside of voting record I don’t pay attention to scandals if they’re over 10 years old. The Keating 5 took place in 1989. That was almost 20 years ago. 20. That is no longer news. Plus the media does not treat McCain with kid gloves. Outside of a very few journalistic orgainizations, the media for the most part either ignores or critisizes McCain.

Red Red Whine:
“…and the corral of FOX’s blonde haired, big chested GOP cheerleaders are unbiased? ”
What time do they come on?

Glad that someone from ABC is willing to bring up this point since every other media outlet (except for FOX news) won’t publish anything that goes against “the Chosen one” Obama. Never in my life have I seen Media bias such as I’ve seen in this race. McCain and Palin are being dragged through undescribable “poo” and the Democrats are loving it! This is a Shame and all who are participating will have to answer to a higher God someday…whether you care about this or not. I pray that you all just focus your negative energy on the Candidate that you decide you would like to vote for and stop all of this arguing. Bashing eachother is ONLY dividing our Nation not bringing it together. God help you all.

Also in the case of Keating 5, McCain was mostly exonerated from the scandal. Meaning he had little to nothing to do with it. Also, McCain grew from that experience, which led to the creation of the McCain-Feingold Act in 2002, which regulates the financing of campaigns.

Mikah:
Baloney on “exoneration”. That’s according to his lawyer. Mac clearly interceded in a corrupt way for Keating. I guess it’s all OK though, because he ended up paying Keating back years later for all those fancy trips to the Bahamas.
Mac did a little strategic groveling, a little “I’m so, so sorry” shuffle, and thinks that’s enough. No way.

WakeUpPeople, because the presidency before already had a deep hole started. Read your history. To find out more about McCains multi-faced persona, check out ‘NRA Fires Away at Obama-Biden on TV and Radio’ McCain is gonna cry when Obama sees this. :)
McCain is really falling deeper, in it now.

“The $125,000 was a drop in the bucket to how much the companies were in the red. ”
Dodd #1 and Barry#2 in donations received from the failed Fannie.

All Schmidt had to say was Davis worked for Homeownship Alliance which at times lobbied for Fannie and Freddie for various things, the result of which was … what? Did Congress pass any deregulation for Fannie and Freddie from 2000-2005? No. So in short, you could argue Davis was not a very good lobbyist.
Davis was doing who’s bidding? Would that be Franklin Raines? Yes.
So I just want to be sure I get this straight. It’s reprehensible to take orders from your client and lobby Congress, but it’s not reprehensible to drive a company into the ground and be sued for $215M by your former company!
As far as the article goes, it’s the usual “Dems and Reps agree, the Republican (Davis) was a slimeball” stuff but only Democrats are quoted. Big deal. Schmidt should leave the polemic rants to Rush and Hannity. It doesn’t play in Peoria.
Both parties are dirty in this Fannie and Freddie mess and we all get stuck with the bill. Just one more giant leap towards socialism. Hooray!

OK, the response to the fact that the campaign manager for John McCain was paid to specifically hinder regulation that reasonably can be assumed to have brought us to the crisis we are in now. His response to that FACT is to claim that the press isn’t being fair. Not that it is not true, not that it is a distortion, he in fact does not dispute the finding at all. Obama has been grilled in the press, every rumor and gossip has been given a headline at one point or another. Rick Davis, the only ones getting picked on here are the people who now have to pay for your lobbying success. Mr. President, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself, asking that you use my money to shore up failed businesses and still want to give the CEO’s of those businesses multimillion dollar payouts for running those companies “so well”.

Polls show that 15-20% of the voters who are voting for McCain have answered that they would not vote for anyone of color no matter what. This even includes a lot of the Democrats that were supporting Clinton. We’ve had Blacks, Hispanic, and Asians voting for White Caucasian candidates for years, but there is still a core of ignorant rednecks who only vote for whites, and none other. Sad isn’t it? Makes you wonder what went wrong and why so many still think this way. It’s almost like Hitler were still alive. It must make McSame very proud that a goodly part of his core constituency is represented by these types of individual, not to mention the Wall Street moguls, and the religious fanatical right wing.

If you bend to the Republicans you are no better than MSNBC. Think Olberman and Matthews.

“McCain-Palin campaign manager Steve Schmidt attacked the New York Times today.”
It should say: McCain-Palin campaign manager Steve Schmidt exposed the New York Times today.
Many of us already knew the NYT’s was just another arm of the DNC but Schmidt said it out loud. Bravo!

The Bush-McCain-Republican way of economics DOES NOT WORK. It never did and never will. The markets have crashed and burned, the American people are now footing the bill yet again in the trillions of dollars for the same corporations and Republicans who own them that ruined us economically. When will Americans ever learn. OUR money is now paying THEIR debts, that same money will not go to schools, jobs, health care, environment, Medicare, Social Security, you wait people, the worst is yet to come unless you elect people who know how to handle this, Obama knows, the Democrats know, just ask Bill Clinton, HE knew. We NEVER had problems like this when Clinton was our President, things were the COMPLETE opposite! Stop listening to idiots like McCain and Bush, they LIE LIE LIE, just look what they have done to our country! What more does anyone need to see? How many times do you need to be dropped on your head before you realize, hey that hurts!

Mr. America community organizer´s best friends: corrupts, terrrorists, delinquents, racists, millionaires, etc.
- Joe Reszko.
- Bill Ayers.
- Rev. Wright.
- Jimmy Johnson.
- Franklin Raines.
- Barbra Streisand.
This is really ´change´… for worse

Yeah, the NYT stories on BO were tough all right…
-In Law School, Obama Found Political Voice [New York Times, 1/28/07]
-Charisma and a Search for Self In Obama’s Hawaii Childhood [New York Times, 3/17/07]
-After 2000 Loss, Obama Built Donor Network From Roots Up [New York Times, 4/3/07]
-In Illinois, Obama Proved Pragmatic and Shrewd. [New York Times, 7/30/07]
-Loyal Network Backs Obama After His Help. [New York Times, 10/1/07]
-Obama Looks to Lessons From Chicago in His National Education Plan [New York Times, 9/10/08]

Stephen from Indiana, and McCains advisors are his corrupts, terrrorists, delinquents, racists, millionaires, etc.
Read about them too. Much more shocking. Oil Tycoons who ‘control’, the oil and morgage prices. Doesn’t that mean they may have had a hand in Wall Street? Read about them yourself, and vote Independant.

You know what. Lets talk about Obama and his change. He wants to nearly double the capital gains tax. That will force more corporations to go belly-up, which means more tax dollars being used to bail them out. These businesses can’t fail because if they do a significant portion of the population will become unemployed, go on welfare, and make this country spiral into another Great Depression. Outside the corporations, capital gains also includes those who sell a house for more than what they paid for it (that includes many low and middle income homeowners). It also adversely affects those drawing on money from their 401k retirement funds. So he wants to take twice the money from senior citizens.
Obama also wants to increase income tax on those who make over $250,000 per year. Well, this adversely affects small business owners (23 million Americans) who employ 70% of the U.S. workforce. Higher taxes equals less money to invest or pay workers. Most small companies also do not make a profit the first few years and then when they do the profits go to paying off loans. Well, entrepreneurs are going to think twice if taxes go up.
Also according to basic economics part of the tax burden is placed on consumers. So this tax will also increase the cost of food and other essential products. If that burden is too high on the consumer, the small business will fail. Leaving many low and middle income workers unemployed and worse off than they were before. Also, those who make $250,000 also pay 60% of their income in taxes. Leaving them with only $100,000. These people have mortgages, kids in college (with no financial aid), retirement funds, etc.
Energy: Obama opposes drilling for oil. Well that means fuel prices will remain high and go higher. This affects low to middle income workers trying to go to work or heat their homes. Here is where you say, “but oil damages the environment and is not a long term solution. We need hybrid and hydrogen cars.” Well, oil may go away in the future, but for now, the technology for hybrid or hydrogen cars is not here yet. It takes a while to invent those new green technologies and at great expense. Once they are invented, the price on those technologies are sky high and it takes time for those technologies to become affordable to main stream America. As for the environment, supposedly the most green state is California. What they don’t tell you is California has a lot of their energy shipped from a huge coal factory in Wyoming. Proof that Green can only go so far in meeting the needs of Americans. Now you say: “But oil is not the solution.” No it is not THE solution. But it is part of the solution. It is estimated that even if we put everything into renewables over the next 5 years. At a reasonable estimate of where the technology will likely be, we will only be able to supply 20% of current 2008 demand. Clearly not enough. Obama also opposes nuclear energy. He says there is some hope and he is willing to put nuclear plants in, but he is not ready. Yet Europe has cheap energy because they invest much into nuclear energy. Even Japan is investing in nuclear energy. So Obama just wants to keep energy and oil prices sky high. This means higher costs to go to work, more money needed for heating, food, health care, and infrastructure. Food because of shipping cost and the increase in wrappers (plastic which is made from oil), health care because they depend on a lot of plastic, and infrastructure because they use a lot of oil as well.
Health care- “We need universal health care. Well the only way to get that is if we did something like the Europeans, where everyone even the lowest earner pays 60 to 70% of their income in taxes. The health care system over there is also not so great. They wait months just to get an MRI only to find that something is really wrong. Then it takes months to get an operation. It took me three days before I could get my MRI. Also in Europe there is a lottery based on zip code for who gets their prescription drugs. So those who may need prescriptions the most do not get it. In Canada, (which has a similar health care program), those people would sometimes rather come across the border to use our health care where they have to pay rather than use the Canadian “free” facilities.
OBAMA: Change for the worse.

Meanwhile Pakistan and Yemen have had terriorist attacks and there is a threatened October surprise on our turf….give me McCain as Prez, anyday!”
Bush is going to allow terrorists to attack us so McCain can win?
I’m as cynical as the next guy but you right wingers take the cake.

“Bush went to Democratic Congress 17 times to addresss the Freddy Fannie situation.”
Bush hasn’t addressed Congress (Democratic or otherwise) 17 times period….let alone on Fannie Mae.

Mikah: My nephew was in Canada this summer and he said everyone spoke highly of their healthcare program. Not one complained. I am not sure where you got your information but I would more checking. Also, my niece was in London this summer and she had to seek out healthcare and she said it wonderful. It was all paid for and she got a great doctor and had no issues. I am a breast cancer survivor. I can not get healthcare. I am all for Universal Healthcare.

“Meanwhile we can trace the Freddie and Fannie problem back to Clinton Adm. who thought everyone (minorities) deserved a house”
You mean when Andrew Cuomo was head of HUD?
You know the Andrew Cuomo McCain just proposed be head of the SEC?
The above is what happens when circular logic meets reality!

it never fails no matter who has been or will be the president. if anything goes wrong under any administration. there will always be someone who will blame a clinton.
question for the still blaming clinton haters

@ryan: “I’m as cynical as the next guy but you right wingers take the cake.”
Hmmm. In small slices. Do you support the Monroe Doctrine, Ryan?
See Venezuela. Russian Navy ships are en route as of today including the nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser Peter the Great, the anti-submarine warship Admiral Chebanenko and other ships. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin warned the US not to view Latin America as its own backyard. “It would be wrong to talk about one nation having exclusive rights to this zone,” and has accused Washington of being scared of Moscow’s “new world potential”.
A real paranoid would accuse the Bush Administration of calling Vlad Putin (sounds like a line dance) and asking him to arrange that deal with Venezuela just in time for the election.

@ryan: “You mean when Andrew Cuomo was head of HUD?”
Because both parties are now calling for heads to roll, the head trading game has begun. The Democrats are offering to swap Cuomo for Christopher Dodd.
It’s just the opening offer. Wait for one with better hair. It looks better on the pike.

The Grey Lady is venerable no more; she’s on her last tank of oxygen, killed off by so-called “journalists” who are no longer able to separate their personal values and beliefs from factual reporting.

“Palin’s stonewalling of her abuse of power investigation … “

hippiechucker,
When asking people to read an article, its best to check the source.
In your particular case, you reference an article written by a McCain adviser.
This adviser would have us believe that The Republican controlled committee in the Republican controlled Senate prevented a vote from happening.
Sorry neither the source nor the analysis pass the smell test.

Jake, are you and ABC worried that you’ll be “in the tank” with McCain’s campaign unless you start kissing up a bit? Because the last few posts sure seem that way…
As Joe Klein says, But it should be remembered that Steve Schmidt is doing this for two (nefarious) reasons: 1. he’s hoping to work the refs: if he complains enough about press bias, we mainstream sorts will cower, cringe and try to seek false equivalences between the two campaigns. 2. the more time we spend covering this nonsense, the less we’ll spend on the real issues in this campaign. Sorry, Steve. Not buying.

McCain’s campaign didn’t deny it. Hmm. . . . . . . .. .. . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . .. . . .. . . . .. .

Republicans believe in states rights, until it interferes with profits.

NYT – I don’t read that rag anymore – period! The age of journalism is dead! They should be ashamed of themselves!

“It was blocked in the Senate, sir….by Democrats.”
How was it blocked in the Senate when Republicans control the chairmanships of committee, have a voting majority on committees and have a majority in the Senate?
Can you explain how Democrats stopped it?
Actually can you even name a vote? Because the only action I find on it is that it was read twice, then the final action Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably.
Also remember the source on which you base your assertion is a McCain adviser.

Mission Accomplished… it never ends -
An emerging meme on the right, one that’s being championed by the likes of Neil Cavuto and others, is that the mortgage crisis happened not because of deregulation, but because brokers were pressured into making loans to “minorities and risky folks,” as Cavuto tastefully put it.
But guess who actively sought to boost minority homeownership? John McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis.
As The New York Times reported today, Davis was president for several years of the Homeownership Alliance, an industry advocacy organization formed mainly by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Alliance’s core mission is to boost the number of mortgages granted.
- from the alliance’s annual report in 2004, showing Davis at a Congressional reception praising minority homeownership “We have an opportunity in the next decade to increase minority homeownership and significantly reduce the minority homeownership gap,”
Davis is quoted saying here. “The future of the housing market rests heavily on the economic success of minorities. Homeownership is likely to grow faster among minority Americans in the next decade if all the stakeholders in the housing industry work together to make it happen. The Homeownership Alliance is working toward this goal.”

Bush Approval Rating now 19%
Republicans, rejoice, admit your republicanism, embrace your great leaders Bush & Cheney et al..
stop running and be proud of your republican heritage….
Republicans:
- running the country into the ground since 2000
Mission Accomplished !

hippiechucker
so,… your boy shafts someone on Monday, and kisses someone else on Tuesday..
But Cavuto says minority homeownership is the cause….. how can FOX be wrong? they are fair and balanced.

“Anybody know what Congress’ ratings are?”
Congress ratings always suck.
But in one of the great paradoxes of the American voting public individual Congressional approval ratings are always much much higher.
People are quit to blame Congress, a faceless bueracracy, versus their actual Congressional rep.
Though I do think its hilarious that Republicans are running away from the highest office holder their party has to offer like their hair was on fire. Shows the faith they have in their party and its standard bearer.

“Barack Obama continues to get a complete free ride by what we pretend is American journalism.”

It’s interesting (troubling) to see how successful these parties have been at dividing the people of these “United” States. The simple fact of the matter is we are just pawns in this stupid game. God forbid if we the people actually took back control of this country. Keep in mind the people that you are supporting have a vested interest in keeping you divided.

We have an opportunity in the next decade to increase minority homeownership and significantly reduce the minority homeownership gap…The future of the housing market rests heavily on the economic success of minorities. Homeownership is likely to grow faster among minority Americans in the next decade if all the stakeholders in the housing industry work together to make it happen. The Homeownership Alliance is working toward this goal.
Rick Davis

Well that’s proof enough that statistics lie.

“Then you have the failure of people to understand that rates are variable, and that they might go up.”
I agree with this. There was a failure on the part of borrowers to make sure they could afford the terms of their agreements. Many jumped into no interest, no money down loans. And when that APR went up, suddenly mortgage payments became too hard to keep up with.
The problem starts with a lack of credit education (something that has gone by the wayside along with civics).
“Hardly predatory, but caught alot of people by surprise”
Hippiechucker, you seem more than willing to educate yourself.
Check out predatory lending and what it entails.

Here’s a question.
Has Trickle-Down Reaganomics worked for a majority of Americans, averaged over the last 28 years.

hippiechucker,
“Here’s an objective statement. Tax cuts stimulate economic growth.”
Here’s another one:
Tax cuts do not stimulate economic growth.
Here’s an objective question:
If tax cuts stimulate economic growth, why is the unemployment rate high.
Here’s another objective question:
If tax cuts for businesses stimulate economic growth, why are businesses requesting that Congress increase the number of insourced labor/why do businesses argue for unlimited H1Bs visas while the drivers of the economy (Americans) no longer have money to drive?
Maybe the last one wasn’t so objective, but who cares as long as I get you and any other reader here to focus on what’s really causing the problems.
Obama/Biden 08!

Ryan C,
Predatory lending took on a new face when it went after the people that did not need subprimes. Subprimes were pushed by the banks/mortgage companies (not Fannie or Freddie) because there was greater profit in them. Again, some people were also pushed into subprimes because they could not afford to purchase MULTIPLE homes for the purpose of flipping. They resorted to no doc loans while they thought they could get good ROI. That dried up because American jobs that paid well dried up.
They cannot have everyone else’s cake and eat it, too! It is now time for the bottom up instead of the trickle down theory to get a shot.
Congress needs to take that 700B and distribute it to us masses. Consumers drive all businesses/markets. You can’t take away what drives us and then expect to make profits.
This is not that hard, either, so I’m not sure why Paulson is acting like he doesn’t get it. Maybe somebody’s got something on him.
Obama/Biden 08!

Hippiechucker,
I’m not inherently opposed to Capitalism,
while it’s principal flaw is that it is a snake devouring its own tail, that is another issue.
My question was about Reaganomics, and while I know you will defend it to the death, it forced Bush 1 to raise taxes in spite of his campaign pledge.
Captalism can work well enough, but the idea that the richest are the fuel of that engine is the lie that we are now laying bare.

hippiechucker,
I am a realist in that I accept greed as a more efficient engine of commerce than altruism, and I’m not saying that I have an alternative to Capitalism.
It seems obvious now, at least to some of us, that taking away the limits to greed and allowing it to be checked by its own sense of altruism is as unrealistic as any idea that Marx had.
Prosperity during the Reagan years amounted then, as it has today, to making the people down the road pay while you claiming title to economic genius of the hour.
Somebody always has to clean up after the party.

Spin, Spin, Bluster, Outrage – deflect and intimidate.
This is what a McCain (or should I say Palin/McCain) administration would be like.
Could the voting public be so dumb as to do this to the country in these troubling times.

I would think that conservatism by definition of the word, would have as an objective the conservation of a system that functions in equilibrium, where the children and grandchildren share in prosperity as much as the parent.
Conservatism is not conservative as we can clearly see.

Conservatism is a word whos ideology has nothing to do with conservation.
If you disagree with this then I may be a hoot but you are a loon.

Best part? Using a Sept 13, 2008 NYT report about Biden’s son Hunter in the call as an example of why the NYT should report on Biden’s son Hunter.
Davis and Schmidt are actually less intelligent than McCain and Palin!
And they say the gods don’t have a sense of humor!

If you just woke up from a long sleep (like many years) and caught that one political party was ranting on and on about media bias, what would your conclusion be?
After McCain was the darling for so many years, now they are just another castoff from a one night stand.
After the media was used again and again by the administration on 9/11, Iraq, and many other policy decisions,
only now are they biased and pro Obama.
A nation of whiners indeed.

The McCain campaign simply does not want to be accountable or called out of the lies that fall so easily out of their mouths

Mr. Tapper, I could have sworn that I saw the list of 40 Obama Times headlines since Jan 2007 that Bill Burton used to rebut the McCain camp’s assertion of unfair coverage here yeseterday. Did you remove it or was it another website?
Regardless, a simple archive listing of NYT headlines for McCain in Sept. 2008 ONLY (just this last month) reveals these:
McCain Seen as Less Likely To Bring Change, Poll Finds (9-18-2008)
In Spanish, McCain Criticizes Obama on Immigration (9-16-2008)
McCain Barbs Stirring Outcry As Distortions (9-13-2008)
McCain Calls for Limited U.S. Role in Schools (9-10-2008)
An Adviser Molds a Tighter, More Aggressive McCain Campaign (9-7-2008)
McCain Sounds His Theme As a Fight For Change (9-5-08)
Old Friends in the Media See a New Side of McCain (9-4-08)
McCain Set to Make Iraq Gains a Chief Theme of His Run (9-3-08)
BUSH SAYS McCAIN IS CHOICE TO LEAD IN TIME OF DANGER (9-3-08)
Palin Disclosures Spotlight McCain’s Screening Process (9-2-08)
Response to Storm Shows Changes in McCain Campaign (9-1-08)
McCain Laboring To Hit Right Note On the Economy (9-17-08)
Study Disputes McCain Figures (9-17–08)
McCain Seen as Less Likely to Bring Change, Poll Finds (9-19-08)
Obama Attacks McCain in a Bid to Attract Hispanic Voters (9-19-08)
The New McCain: More Aggressive and Scripted on the Campaign Trail (9-19-08)
McCain Tries to Link Obama to Financial Crisis (9-20-08)
McCain’s Camp Tests Fund-Raising Limits (9-20-08)
In Land of Captivity, Interest in McCain Is Mixed (9-20-08)
Obama Criticizes McCain on Social Security (9-21-2008)
Loan Titans Paid McCain Adviser Nearly $2 Million (9-22-08)
Of Mr. Burton’s 40 Obama headlines since January-2007, these are the ones for just Sept. 2008, oh heck, let’s throw in August, too:
Delicate Obama Path on Class and Race Preferences [New York Times, 8/3/08]
Big Donors, Too, Have Seats at Obama Fundraising Table [New York Times, 8/6/08]
Is Obama the End of Black Politics? [New York Times, 8/10/08]
Obama’s 2003 Stand on Abortion Draws New Criticism in 2008 [New York Times, 8/20/08]
Obama Aides Defend Bank’s Pay to Biden Son [New York Times, 8/25/08]
Once a Convention Outsider, Obama Navigated a Path to the Marquee [New York Times, 8/27/08]
Obama Looks to Lessons From Chicago in His National Education Plan [New York Times, 9/10/08]
Interesting differences in headline content and style, no? Please go ahead and read the stories, too. It’s quite funny, actually.
BTW, let’s compare Biden and Palin, too.
Last 3 months, total headline hits for Biden equal 19, here’s a few:
Biden’s Record on Race Is Scuffed by 3 Episodes
Campaign Says Biden Son Dropped Lobbying Clients
Biden Releases Tax Returns, In Part to Pressure Rivals
As a Matter of Faith, Biden Says Life Begins at Conception
Biden Opens New Phase With Attack On McCain
The Myth of Biden v. Bork
Jill Biden Heads Toward Life in the Spotlight
Tasks for Biden This Fall: Travel and Attack McCain
Biden Book Is a Hit
Obama Aides Defend Bank’s Pay to Biden Son
Obama Chooses Biden as Running Mate
Obama Selects Biden, Adding Foreign Expertise To Ticket
Obama Chooses Biden as Running Mate
A Senate Stalwart Who Bounced Back
As Running Mate, Biden Offers Foreign Policy Heft but an Insider Image
Palin has a total of 59 (all starting at the end of August). Here’s some of her headlines:
Palin Gets Women’s Attention, Not Necessarily Their Support (August 31, 2008)
Palin’s Teen Daughter Is Pregnant New G.O.P. Tumult (September 2, 2008)
Palin Daughter’s Pregnancy Interrupts G.O.P. Convention Script (September 2,2008)
Palin Disclosures Spotlight McCain’s Screening Process (September 2, 2008)
With Palin, Special Needs Get Spotlight (September 3, 2008)
Palin Start: Politics Not as Usual (September 3, 2008)
Easiest Task for Palin May Have Been Speech (September 4, 2008)
Ending a Conspicuous Silence, Palin Confidently Makes Her Own Case (September 4, 2008)
On Center Stage, Palin Electrifies Convention (September 4, 2008)
Sarah Palin’s Speech: The Sparks Flew (September 5, 2008)
In Wasilla, Alaska, Friends of Palin Tune In to the Best Show in Town (September 5, 2008)
Alaska Lawmakers to Seek Subpoenas in Palin Inquiry (September 6, 2008)
In Palin’s Worship and Politics, A Call to Follow the Will of God (September 6, 2008)
The Scrutiny of Sarah Palin (September 7, 2008)
Parents of Special-Needs Children Divided Over Palin’s Promise to Help (September 7, 2008)
Readers See Bias in Us Weekly’s Take on Sarah Palin (September 8, 2008)
Clinton Stumps for Obama, But With Little Fire at Palin (September 9, 2008)
Palin Aides Defend Billing State for Time at Home (September 10, 2008)
Squad of G.O.P. Aides Prepares Palin for Interviews (September 11, 2008)
Palin’s Pipeline Is Years From Being a Reality (September 11, 2008)
In First Big Interview, Palin Says ‘I’m Ready’ for the Job (September 12, 2008)
Working Mother Questions ‘Irrelevant,’ Palin Says (September 13, 2008)
Alaska Lawmakers Vote To Subpoena Todd Palin (September 13, 2008)
Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes (September 14, 2008)
The Buzz About Palin Started Here (September 14, 2008)
Active Role for Palin’s Husband in Alaska Government (September 14, 2008)
Palin Plans To Visit U.N. And Join Protest of Iran (September 18, 2008)
Palin Invitation Rescinded (September 19, 2008)
Palin Will Meet With Kissinger and Foreign Leaders (September 22, 2008)