McCain, Palin & Energy Flubs

Remember Clinton’s coal grab of the Kaiparowits Plateau?

McBefuddled can come back and say that this time he was at least trying to tell the truth

They flub on energy, supposedly their strong point. They flub on foreign policy, calling Pakistan a failed state and its head of state Kadari instead of Zardari, supposedly McCains strong point. Biparitsanship is supposedly their strong point, but McCain can’t even look at Obama and mocks him for graciously agreeing during the debate. Transparency is their strong point, but they won’t co-operate with Troopergate. We already know how he performs on economy, his self-acknowledged weak point. Remind us again, why should we vote for them?

your factcheck jake is way off, very one knows its 14%. Wake up and do your job.

Sort of ties into the “drill baby drill” mythology that we can drill our way out of trouble.
Latest Gallup: Obama still holds on to an 8 point lead.

This is an excerpt from a Brack Obama speech on September 20 in Daytona Beach:
Obama: “And I’ll protect Social Security, while John McCain wants to privatize it. Without Social Security half of elderly women would be living in poverty – half. But if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would’ve had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week. Millions would’ve watched as the market tumbled and their nest egg disappeared before their eyes. Millions of families would’ve been scrambling to figure out how to give their mothers and fathers, their grandmothers and grandfathers, the secure retirement that every American deserves. So I know Senator McCain is talking about a “casino culture” on Wall Street – but the fact is, he’s the one who wants to gamble with your life savings.”
There are SSC plans McCain has which support privatizing Social Security. In his 2000 campaign, McCain’s social security plan was described in the NY Times:
Mr. McCain called for 20 percent of the Social Security payroll tax to be placed in individual retirement accounts in which workers would be able to choose from an approved list of investment options. He said they would also be guaranteed that they would never get less in benefits than if they had stayed in the current Social Security system. To pay for the transition to such accounts, Mr. McCain would devote $729 billion of the non-Social Security surplus over 10 years to Social Security.
Barck Obama is lying when he tells senior citizens that their Social Security fund would have evaporated under McCain’s plan. That’s simply not the case in either privatization plan McCain has supported.

This campaign is not concerned with facts. People always respected McCain’s honor. Without that, his poll numbers continue to drop.

“John already mentioned to set up what we call a Google for government saying we’ll list every dollar of federal spending to make sure that the taxpayer can take a look”
That and the statement he will review every line of the budget are lies or naive to the point of imcompetence.
1. Parts of the budget are black. That won’t change. Security trumps right to know. You don’t like it and I don’t like but that’s a fact. A ‘googler’ (reverse index for the technically minded) would hand details of our military to our most committed enemies. On the other hand, if that’s what he has in mind, that would do it.
2. Parts of the budget are speculative. The economy is too large and dynamic to project revenues precisely so many of the numbers are made up.
3. Jimmy Carter tried to ‘review the budget line by line’. He found he couldn’t do it and that was in 1978. Look at the size of it. Now try to do the math even with a computer. This is the real world, not a 2008 version of “Dave”.
Obama really must be drinking his own kool-aid to make foolish statements like that.

Concerned in OH: “Our shale oil reserves dwarf Saudi Arabia.”
Comparing solid kerogen to liquid crude oil displays a very deep ignorance of the fundamentals of these two resources. Frankly, even the term “shale oil” indicates on has a bumper sticker level understanding of what it is. Kerogen is about as useful as when Jimmy Carter touted it in the 70′s. We’d be better off synthesizing liquid fuel from oil.

Cut him a break. He was “confused”.

evaporated?
more like obliterated
mccain wants to privatize social security, you know invest it in the stark market like the banking system here
you can read the article, mccain had it published last week
so obama is right it would evaporate
or rather be destroyed one way or another

“Barck Obama is lying when he tells senior citizens that their Social Security fund would have evaporated under McCain’s plan.”
Not really, with benefits being guaranteed equal or better and a plunging stock market we would have seen double payments to SS to make up for money lost on the market. The system would have been insolvent this decade.

Wow Ryan that was some spin. Though it offered no guarantees of benefits, no one enrolled in that plan would be eligible for social security yet. Thus no one affected in that scenario would “rely” on social security.That plan did not privatize current retiree’s holdings either.
So OBAMA LIED

Sarah palins”s 14 year old daughter Willow was on stage with her today.
Did she drop out of school as well as 17 year old Bristol?

Yes, she did drop out waqtching. And I hear that she now works for EPT so she can get free pregnancy tests. The word is out that she actually sleeps with her own brother.
Why aren’t you reporting these real stories Jake? Piper Palin needed an exorcism because someone saw her turn her head completely around backwards at the RNC.

Once again Jake Tapper gets it wrong. Did McCain or Palin say oil? No, they both said energy. Allot more than just oil comes from Alaska to contribute to America’s energy supply Jake. Ever heard of natural gas Jake? There are others too but I won’t belabor the point.

President McCain will win and it won’t even be close.
There’s a video going around which shows the Democrats totally blocking all efforts by Republicans to tighten regulations on Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
Again, I predict a landslide.

energymain: “The technology exists to extract (at $30 a barrel)”
Please cite your $30/barrel figure. I strongly suspect you are blatantly lying, but if not you have found an AMAZING investment opportunity (act now! Limited time only I’m sure!).

Joey: “Once again Jake Tapper gets it wrong. Did McCain or Palin say oil? No, they both said energy. Allot more than just oil comes from Alaska to contribute to America’s energy supply Jake.”
Please try to read the main article. Including all energy Alaska only supplies 3.5%. The MOST charitable interpretation is that McCain/Palin meant to say oil and were rounding 14% up to 20%.

“The banking committee…..which is my committee”
Barack Obama
Except that it’s not his committee. He’s not on it.
Obama – he can’t even remember what committes he’s on. Lol.

ABC had plenty of time (& motive) to put a video on their website of Sarah Palin getting prayed over by a Kenyan pastor, but won’t play the video of Democrats all bashing Republicans because they dared to try and tighten regulations on Fannie & Freddie.
This is journalism in 2008. Advocacy journalism. The free press is gone. Finished.
RIP

So cultural amnesia, the money for the stock market would not be recoverable, therefore anyone opting for McCain’s plan would been hosed when the market tanked.
Thanks for making my & Obama’s point that anyone opting for for McCain’s plan would have lost their nest egg.

Biden has a huge gaffe a day. Outright lies & fibs and nuttiness.
Ever see SNL do a parody of Biden?
Me neither.
It must be nice to have the MSM totally covering your behind and helping you win. Really. It must be incredibly nice.

“Obama and Coburn have already set up a google for government dealing with earmarks.”
You’re out of your depth, here, Ryan. Google doesn’t work that way and it would be incredibly inefficient. He probably meant a web site with a search engine although even that would tell you little about the budget because the spending is interlocked. It takes a hefty financial package to data mine that. Basic querying won’t do it, and by the way, it’s easy to game a google search as the last election showed.
Don’t play. You really don’t understand the technology and if John or Barack say that, they don’t either.
Most of the time, these are reversed index sites although they could buy a Google appliance, but it is incredible overkill.

November 5, 2008
“First of all, I’d like to thank the Mainstream Media”
Obama (if he wins)

The United States has about 2% of the world’s known petroleum reserves. The estimated proven reserves for the United States range from 20 to 29 billion barrels of oil. Global estimates range from 1,143 to 1,331 billion barrels. This isn’t from the Obama campaign – it’s from the Oil and Gas Journal and the World Oil review. John McCain didn’t make a gaffe – he simply believes what he said. Sarah Palin thinks Alaska supplies 20% of US energy. Not anywhere close. Tapper’s figures are right. I don’t think anbody should expect a candidate to be an expert on everything – but if this woman was brought on board as an energy expert, she should at least know her own state and in an economy grounded in petroleum – and a foreign policy based on petroleum, John McCain should know better. Or he should find better advisors than Henry Kissinger and Phil Gramm. Good Lord, even George Bush never made mistakes like that.

“…the banking committee…which is my committee…”
Obama in a campaign speech earlier this summer.
Except he’s not on the banking committee.

Joey. We get most of our natural gas from Canada. The McCain campaign was simply wrong. Sarah Palin used a number that sort of applied to the percentage of crude oil reserves out of all AMERICAN crude reserves – and applied it to energy. She just didn’t know the difference. No matter how much you hurt the numbers, Alaska does not supply 18 or 20% of American energy. Which is why you haven’t heard her repeat her mistakes.

You’re out of your depth, here, Ryan. Google doesn’t work that way and it would be incredibly inefficient. He probably meant a web site with a search engine although even that would tell you little about the budget because the spending is interlocked. It takes a hefty financial package to data mine that. Basic querying won’t do it, and by the way, it’s easy to game a google search as the last election showed.”
I was using google as short hand for a search engine.
Even more so google or any other search engine can be easily adapted to search only certain terms or sections of the web. There are many ways to modify search engines to perform as you wish from simple tags to more complex algorithms.
As for your last line, perhaps you could tell us why a government agency would google bomb somnething?
There’s someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about and its not me len.

I was starting to feel sorry for Palin but guess her sharp tongue is out again.
BTW , I thought the Tina Fey spoof on SNL was just a joke. I didn’t realize she said those words verbatim. As a life-long republican I am highly disappointed. I also understand that during a brief QA on Sat after the debates, she agreed with Obama’s position on Pakistan rather than McCain’s such that he had to correct her statement on ABC. This is just too much!
I watched Obama during the debate and was very impressed by his intellect, composure and forward thinking ideas. This republican will be voting for the democrat this year.

You McCain zealots should stop whining about bad press, you have your Fox channels. If you can handle critique, go live in your comfort zone and stay ignorant.
Maybe McCain was an authentic leader 10 years ago, but he has sold his soul to these spin-doctors and is now paying the price.
The Palin VP pick was not his first choice, so if someone is to be blamed it’s the Karl Grove cronies. Sad…

rob roske: “FACT the usa has 1.5 trillion barrels of oil in oil shale. it can be extracted and should be profitable at $40 per barrel.”
Well then, do it. This is America, not socialist Russia. If you think it can be extracted for $40 per barrel, you just have to share how (I strongly suggest you patent your magic idea first) and hire the appropriate people to make it happen using the mountain of investor money that pours in.

Rob – The idea that oil shale can be extracted for $40/barrel is pure fantasy – and the reserves are not exhaustive. They are in the Green River formation, extraction is messy and expensive and quality is about as low as you can get. If extraction was cheap and easy, don’t you think someone at Exxon would have started extraction 30 years ago? The Green River is in two of the reddist states in the US – not known for major environmental oversight. Your information is baloney.

“Thanks ACORN and Barak 0bama! You’ve driven this country to financial ruin. ”
Was already taken care by the Bush-NeoCon cronies.

The price of oil was barely at $60 per barrel in 2007. Until 2005 it was consistently below $40. There is also a congressional (environmentalist) ban on retrieving oil shale. If we could get rid of the limp wristed, corrupt politicians we would be energy independent overnight and could tell the Saudis to stuff it. What a great day that would be.

Nonsense. Give some evidence, based on reserves, extraction costs, quality, that proves that oil shale is going to save us. It is not. The areas with Green River oil shale are riddled with red Halliburton trucks right now. Been to eastern Utah lately? If it were an economically viable alternative, the petroleum companies would have been in there in a month. We have been living on borrowed time for decades – and it is not because of environmental reestrictions. It is because we do not have the reserves other countries do – and because no one has asked the American people to cut back. We have 2% of the world’s reserves. We cannot drill our way out of this crisis – if we could have – believe me – the Bush/Cheney administration and their petro-friends would have done it. The Green River formation and the Permian reef reserves in Texas could not be more different – in terms of cost/benefit ratio, accessibility, play, or quality.

Rob – I’m an independent voter and I’m also a geologist. I actually read the World Oil review and have belonged to AAPG. Do you? Obviously not. Apparently you just make stuff up.
So: since you seem to be an expert – tell me all about oil shale. Let’s start with what the energy resource is mainly used for – and what the problems are with it’s use. Does it go directly to the pump? Is that what the industry suggests?

Oaky, energyman – what is oil shale used for and why? How does it compare to Permain reef reserves or Saudi reserves?

“I can’t believe that McCain supporters could possibly turn greater transparency of government spending into a negative. McCain would have made this website happen if he had the technological knowledge as Obama (or any current jr. high student, but I digress).”
No one has said that. Transparency is laudable but making a sweeping generalization about web tech that is dead wrong, then trying to claim that as a reason for voting for Obama, well that is exactly what is negative.
Don’t kid the kidders, kid.
Ask Obama to explain the page lifecycle or viewstate handling? Where is the best method for loading controls that change values? No coaching now, no teleprompters. Why is session state problematic? Is the DOM a realistic way to store persistent information?
As with the energy and oil shale subjects, amateurs don’t do this kind of work. Neither does Obama.

“Ask Obama to explain the page lifecycle or viewstate handling? Where is the best method for loading controls that change values? No coaching now, no teleprompters. Why is session state problematic? Is the DOM a realistic way to store persistent information?”
Last I checked Obama wasn’t the one actually doing the building of the search engine.
But based on your logic perhaps we should ask McCain how he created wireless communications.

“Last I checked Obama wasn’t the one actually doing the building of the search engine.”
And apparently ripped the engine out of the bailout bill as well.
Ryan, there is a lot we can do to put transparency responsibly into these systems. But it won’t be done because it is Obama’s idea or McCain’s idea. It won’t be done because the Beltway spins up yet another gold-ribbon consultant committee that spawns yet another study that ensures the monies allocated are all siphoned away before the first contract is let. Trust me on this because I’ve done this kind of work for a lot of years, and I know what happens when the Beltway drives the bus.
Leave it to the engineers. Kennedy was smart enough to go to Von Braun and that is how we got to the Moon. It wasn’t The Right Stuff, or the plucky Mercury astronauts, or Mission Control in Houston. We got to the Moon because Truman signed off on Operation Paperclip and the US Army smuggled the rocket scientists out of Germany and into the US. A small team of ably led professionals working together for decades toward one goal, given the green light and the funding got us to the Moon.
The rest is fiction and contractors.
So take a flyer on this: if you really want what you say you want, hire the pros and get out of their way.

He often gets confused and mentally, intellectually lazy; she either lies or
just doesn’t know.

McCain and Palin have made absolutely no mistakes, zero (not to be confused with first letter in obamas name) about their number one domestic issue. prove that they have jake. you can’t.

Matt,
Factcheck.org is not the definitive answer to anything except maybe in JOIzEY

Mc Cain& Sarah woudn’t know how
“To tell the truth!!”