McCain Wants Cuomo at SEC
"If you wanna fire Chris Cox, the chairman of the SEC," asked Scott Pelley on "60 Minutes" tonight, "who would you replace him with?"
"This may sound a little unusual, but I’ve admired Andrew Cuomo," responded Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., referring to the New York State attorney general. "I think he is somebody who could restore some credibility, lend some bipartisanship to this effort."
"He’s a Democrat," Pelley pointed out.
"Oh, yes," said McCain.
"He served in the cabinet of President Clinton," said Pelley.
"Yes," said McCain. "And he did a good job. And he has respect. And he has prestige."
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McCain = DISHONORABLE; Palin = SCARY!!!
Posted by: Howard Gallas | September 21, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
P.S. He’ll say anything, won’t he??!!??
Posted by: Howard Gallas | September 21, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
What a crock!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Barney Phiffe | September 21, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
And when asked who he would like to look after his 15 cars, McCain said “I have always thought Jake Trapper did a nice job polishing my reputation.”
Posted by: doug | September 21, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
Nice try, but Chris Cox really shouldn’t be the fall guy for this.
Posted by: MIguy | September 21, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
It’s called pandering…I have watched several news stations everyday for the last 6 months (I am homebound so have the time) and I read 7 different newspapers online everyday as well.
What I am getting at is this:I have seen McCain go from state to state and tell each crowd he is dealing with, just what they want to hear.
Same goes for Palin except, she spouts all the words from McCain and repeats her verbiage over and over…same speech different day.
An I read the Alaska paper as well, they do not sound too happy.
Hope she does not have to go back there to govern…might be tricky.
And now we will get the sesame street version of a VP debate because poor Sarah has no debating skills.
Guess if she ever has to chat up with an important figure in another country, we might as well turn out the lights because the party is over.
Just my opinion as an AMERICAN.
Posted by: Bev | September 21, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Imagine if Barack or Michelle Obama’s e-mail had been hacked. Would the reaction from the folks at the Los Angeles Times be so muted? If an Obama were the victim, it’s easy to picture Times editor Tim Rutten penning a hissy-fit op-ed, angrily demanding a federal investigation, and trying to formulate how the McCain campaign was directly involved.
The Times relegated the story of Palin’s e-mail account being hacked to the “National Briefing” section, buried in the middle of page A16, with a puny 85 words, in Thursday’s paper (9/18/08). (See the image of the story.)
The New York Times? The story didn’t even make it to the actual paper; it only went as far as their blog.
Posted by: the real Samantha | September 21, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Sure John, TELL ME ANOTHER ONE.
McCAIN’S CREDIBILITY IS SHOT.
But what would you expect after cynically repeating PROVEN LIES over and over?
JOHN McCAIN IS UNTRUSTWORTHY.
Posted by: Ed from MA | September 21, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
How much you wanna bet that if he gets into office, he’ll pick someone else? “I admire Andrew Cuomo, but my advisers and I decided [X] would be a better fit for our policy plans.”
Remember what Bush said… and what he did.
Posted by: dust00 | September 21, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Another McCain gimmick.
Today on This Week, George Will ridiculed McCain’s idea to fire Chris Cox:
“…he picked one of the most experienced and conservative people in the administration, Chris Cox, and for no apparent reason … It was unpresidential behavior by a presidential aspirant.”
Posted by: Danny | September 21, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
I believe him.
Posted by: JULIE | September 21, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
and Julie, I will defend your right to say that you believe him.
And I hope you will fight for my right to say I don’t believe him.
Posted by: Bev | September 21, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
MCCAIN AND PALIN: THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE
Posted by: disgusted | September 21, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Sarah Palin lives near a bank, so she’s going to be in charge of economic policy.
McCain/Palin:
SAME BUSH, DIFFERENT DAY.
Posted by: Ed from MA | September 21, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Another scam by the Right Wing
Sadam has WEAPONS OF MASS DESTUCTION::
IF AIG FAILS,
THE SKY WILL FALL
THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING.
ARE WE JUST AMERICAN FOOLS.
Posted by: Underdog | September 21, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
The praise that would have been sung from the rafters if BHO had said he wanted Cuomo Why did Obama go by Barry instead of Barack for such a long time???
Posted by: William | September 21, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Palin is LUCKY the media didn’t make a bigger deal about her email being breached.
The AP reported that someone broke into her Yahoo account by just knowing her zip code and birthday, and guessing that she met her husband in high school.
This is her idea of national security–doing state business on a Yahoo account, with publicly available personal info as her password protection??
What else did she leave unsecured?
Posted by: Danny | September 21, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
This whole situation proves yet once again why McCain is unfit to lead.
A national economic crisis years in the making reveals itself, and all he can say is “I’ll fire the head of the SEC?”
Never mind that McCain can’t fire him. Here again we have another 1-word answer from McCain, with no thought, no consideration of the multitude of complex factors behind the economy, no contemplation of how a $700 Billion bailout will affect the national debt or taxes. Just “I’ll fire him”.
Meanwhile, Obama is conducting himself as a leader – Taking his time to gather the facts from all perspectives before announcing his support for the so-called “bailout”.
It ought to scare the hell out of anyone here to think about John McCain in charge of our military forces and nuclear arsenal, when his mental capacity limits him to shoot-from-the-hip solutions. He lacks the ability to think things through before he acts.
Posted by: clifton | September 21, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Did you watch Obama’s 60 minutes interview? When asked what qualification he has to run for presidency…The only two that he could come up with was
DISPOSITION & ABILITY TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER
My goodness this is scary..
you should get hold of the tape
and they have to Audacity to go after Palin’s qualification..
Posted by: Frieda | September 21, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
Cuomo was the guy who began to pressure lenders to lend to people who couldn’t afford to cover their loans in the 1st place. 1st Gramnn says “It’s all in your head”, and now McCain wants the guy who created this mess in the 1st place back in the process!!! People, seriously, if you can’t vote for obama vote 3rd party. But DONT hand the keys over to John McCain… He is lost, absolutely lost on the war, economy, energy, EVERYTHING!!!
Posted by: hmn | September 22, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
so…what’s Obama’s position this week… on any issue?
I think if there is someone pandering…Obama most certainly has earned that crown
Posted by: Linda | September 22, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
clifton It was also pretty scary that after the Georgia/Russia conflict Obama, when asked how the US should deal with the situation, said that we should use the UN Security Council and seemed to be unaware the Russians have veto power there. Obama has 300 foreign policy advisors and he comes up with that? But Obama was on vacation at the time and must have come up with that one when left to his own devices.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
hmn Yeah, hand it over to Dodd (D) on the banking committee who takes the most money from financial institutions.
Hand it over Schumer, Hagel, Dole and all the rest on the finance committee who are in the tank for Wall Street.
Hand it over to Kerry and Pelosi who have their own personal money invested in Fannie Mae and Pelosi who’s invested money in T. Bone Pickens. Hand it over to Obama, who in just 4 years, has managed to get more money from Wall Street second only to Dodd. Maybe we should all vote 3rd party rather then give our votes to either Obama or McCain. This is a bi-partisan mess driven by a cast of characters on both sides who are in the tank for Wall Street and special interests including even groups like ACORN. This is why Obama copping out of public financing was a joke, one of the purposes of public financing is to limit the influence of special interests. Now the Dems are going to do the same thing with this legislation that they did when deregulating the banking industry was happening, acting like kids in a candy store and tacking more and more onto it. This time I hope they do at least include some consumer protections.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
Question Obama’s qualifications all you like. He’s a brilliant, accomplished person, who’s been behind hundreds of pieces of Illinois and US legislation. He’s taught constitutional law. He’s run effective campaigns and effective organizations since college, managing large staffs and large budgets, effectively and successfully.
He’s been ruthlessly vetted in the media for over a year.
I’d say it takes an unbelievable amount of audacity to run for VP and only submit to one or two interviews and zero press conferences with barely 45 days left until the election.
What an insult to the American people.
And most know it.
Posted by: Danny | September 22, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Danny If George Will and Limbaugh are upset that McCain would go after Cox then it can’t be all that bad.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Danny And what are those pieces of legislation Obama did while in the US Senate? It probably is pretty tough running his campaign – having to give speeches and then in his spare time having to work on the budget and book hotels and all the logistics – yeah right. There are other people running his campaign. Obama is a good campaigner though. He has no foreign policy experience and yet has spent the past almost three years talking about foreign policy and answering the same questions over and over about foreign policy so that now he actually sounds like he has some experience. He does, experience talking about foreign policy, We have more then our share of lawyers in Washington so I don’t think having that on your resume makes one stick out.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
clifton Palin threatened to go to war with Russia? Listen to that whole interview again instead of just the soundbites. Not once did Palin threaten or even imply we should go to war with Russia. She was asked if Georgia was in NATO if that would mean we would need to get militarily involved to which she replied “perhaps so”. That would be the same answer either Obama or McCain would give. Both Obama and McCain support both Georgia and Ukraine entering NATO. NATO is a defense organization and if a NATO country is invaded or attacked the other NATO members are obligated to assist and could that mean militarily?
Perhaps so. Neither Obama or McCain have implied or advocated military involvement nor did Palin. There is no real difference between the two tickets on Russia/Georgia. Neither ticket wants to see a resumption of the Cold War and neither wants a military conflict with Russia. Obama, after about 4 tries, ended up saying pretty much the same thing McCain did in regards to the conflict.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
alpaig52, the only thing scary about Russia/Georgia was how Bush, Rice, and McCain all “talked tough” to Russia, and Russia replied by saying that they were ready for war with the US.
Then Palin comes to her first time ever on TV, boot heels clicking and barrels blazing, saying that she’s prepared to lead the US into war with Russia.
Obama was right to say the matter needs to be taken up at the UN. Of course he knows that Russia has veto power. Strong leaders like Obama know that they can hammer out diplomatic solutions with other world leaders.
If we put McCain and Palin in office, we’ll have war alright, and not with defenseless little Iraq. You may like the “machismo” of tough talk and American deaths, alpaig52, but many of us prefer diplomatic solutions as a first line of defense.
War with Russia? Think about it alpaig52. McCain and Palin are prepared to fight that war to the End of Times. Obama is prepared to lead us away from war. McCain is scary. Obama is our future.
Posted by: clifton | September 22, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
alpaig52, we’ve just had 8 years of a presdint who shoots from the hip instead of thinking from the brain. 4,126 dead, 30,323 wounded, $1 Trillion down the garbage chute.
Palin said that since Georgia may be part of NATO, that we’d have to go to War with Russia if they attached Georgia? That, my friend, is threatening war against Russia.
Spare us. We need a leader who can think, and who takes his time and consults with others to reach the solutions that will work for this country.
You’ve all had your turn at death and killing as your solution, and we see the results. It’s our turn now, and a better day is coming.
Posted by: clifton | September 22, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
You have to give credit to McCain for playing bipartisan hardball. Bush and team is doing everything possible to shoot his presidential run down, but McCain is still giving it a run for the money. I don’t totally dislike the guy, mind you.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 22, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Clifton,
By the way, we Democrats have no fear of Russia whatsoever. A true Democrat does not believe in appeasement. John F. Kennedy was no shrinking violet. We do believe in transparency of decision-making, and accountability, and that’s not what we’re getting from a Bush administration. So it is time for a distinctive change. I’m not sure who’s best in this realm, yet.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 22, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Clifton She said “perhaps so”. What are you not getting here? She answered a question, she didn’t make a threat.
The answer she gave was the correct answer to the question asked and both Obama and McCain wouldv’e given the same answer but most likely wouldv’e added on to it. If either Georgia enters NATO, which both Obama and McCain support, and Georgia is either invaded or attacked then we would have an obligation to assist and it “perhaps so” would mean militarily. If you don’t like that answer or reality then you need to question why you are supporting Obama when he supports Georgia and Ukraine entering NATO?
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
WestCoastMessenger Kennedy with Kruschev was a disaster that even Kennedy admitted himself was one of the worst experiences he had ever had when he met with Kruschev. Kruschev saw Kennedy as young and intelligent but weak and inexperienced and Kennedy walked away knowing that. The Berlin Wall went up to which Kennedy said a wall is alot better then war; we had the Cuban Missile Crisis and Kennedy increased our presence in VietNam in part to show Russia he was tough.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
The BS express speaks
Posted by: Thinking | September 22, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
“What an insult to the American people.”
snipped from danny<
________________
Isn't it more of an insult to let one's megomaniacal personality with a generous push from your mentor, Emil , along with the "delete delete delete" of some voters' names and the addition of others (dead,too young, whatever !) by your benefactors combined with a portfolio a smidgeon wide…… propel you onto the track of potus?
Some think it is!
Those will be the ones who will be voting for:
Mccain and Palin!
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!
Posted by: HAHAHAHAHAHAH | September 22, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Alpaig,
Kennedy made a lot of naive mistakes. He acted strategically, not through appeasement. My concern is that Obama shows that his primary instinct is one of appeasement. I don’t think that is good for the country. If we bow down to Russia (which is the budgetary equivalent of Orange County, California) then we better prepare to hang up Democracy. Unfortunately, the Republicans are driving us towards socialism faster than guys like Marx or Mao ever did, so it may be a moot point.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 22, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Clifton Sorry, Obama (after three years of campaigning and talking about foreign policy on the campaign trail)
should know Russia has veto power in the UN Security Council and he didn’t.
We are both in agreement about macho talk and foreign policy. I don’t like the way McCain sometimes comes off with bellicose rhetoric on the campaign trail
BUT I have also heard and read his foreign policy speech he gave in San Francisco, have heard him on townhalls
and even having listened to him on 60 minutes tonight am comfortable with the idea that he is not a warmonger nor a George W. We have three Senators on these two tickets who will deal with Congress far differently then George W will and McCain doesn’t have the foreign policy experience he lacks in his VP choice to compensate for his lack of so no Bush/Cheney dynamic there;
McCain has far more experience in foreign policy then George W did and is not at all well liked among the far right and neo-cons and he has a strong history of bi-partisan work on major issues and has better relationships with the Dems then within his own party at times. So McCain is no George W no matter how you want to slice it. He may not have the positions you are looking for or be the candidate you want to see win and if he does win you may not be happy with him but he will be his own man and we will have a McCain Presidency not a George W 3rd term. McCain and Bush hate each other and that’s been well documented .
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Cuomo was Clinton’s HUD Secretary (Housing and Urban Development ). Some blame him for helping to get Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac into the sub-prime mortgage business.
I think McCain was just trying to score bipartisan points.
Posted by: cincyr | September 22, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
cincyr,
What exactly is wrong with scoring bipartisan points? Would you rather see the candidates acting in a partisan manner?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 22, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am
WestCoast I agree. Obama’s first reaction to the Russia/Georgia conflict was that they were both at fault. Now while it is true that Georgia pushed the envelope and that the US shouldn’t be happy about that- that Russia is not Georgia and it did invade Georgia and leadership should have come out of the mouth’s of Obama, McCain, Bush and whomever else. There needed to be a strong message . Obama himself, tonight even on 60 minutes, talks about his ability to see both sides and to find common ground and this is a strength of his but it is also his weakness. Leadership requires that at times while you may see both sides that you need to stand your ground or take a position. You can’t vote “present”, push the wrong voting button and then say “oops, I meant to vote the other way” or write one bill and then turn around and rewrite it to accomodate the other side. You can’t say to Russia and Georgia “hey you guys, you’re both wrong so just stop it”. We could see Russia was working up to this and a message needed to be sent.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
I agree Senator McCain…At times Democrats are better on the Job.
Posted by: lanawonders | September 22, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
McCain should drop out of the
presidential race and end his
quest for the White House.
Let’s hear his concession
speech before the Market opens
later today on Wall Street.
Posted by: anon | September 22, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
Heres the kicker. If obama was to choose Cuomo, McCain would attack Obama as being anti-partisan. At least Obama is willing to look at all job applicants than to shoot of at the mouth again. McCain needs time to think about his foot in mouth answers. I would have been happier, if he would have said, he is looking at many possibilities from all sides. Quick decision making does not make a good leader. It makes a good dictator. He needs to slow down, and think of America, and quit being a Toadie for Tycoons. He needs to stand up for himself, without his advisors. That made him popualar 15 years ago. These last twelve years of whispers of Oil, have started to hurt him.
Posted by: historyforgotten | September 22, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
“You have to give credit to McCain for playing bipartisan hardball.”
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It is not Bipartisan it is pandering. An attempt to appear to be someone he is not.
He is also incapable of running on his own, his dependence on other people to make him appear to be presidential is telling. His record of 26 years, has now caught up with him
Posted by: Thinking | September 22, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
Ah, too bad Pelosi and Kerry lost money having invested in AIG- oh well, Pelosi has invested in T. Bone Pickens so maybe she can pick up the slack. Why don’t you people who seem to think this economic crisis is partisan or lands at the feet of just one party do some homework. Why don’t you look at whose on the banking and finance committees and look at how much money they get from Fannie Mae or financial institutions. Why don’t you look at where these people invest their money.
Why don’t you look at Dodd and the Countrywide scandal. Why don’t you look at who benefited from the housing bill and who those beneficiaries have contributed to. McCain put forth a bill in 2005 wanting more regulation
and voicing concerns about what was happening in the sub-prime market- where was Obama? We deregulated the banking industry under Bill Clinton with the support of both parties . Presidents since Carter have been deregulating varied industries. This is a bi-partisan mess and the system is corrupt and does need to be reformed. If Obama is the reformer then why did he back out of public financing which is in part intended to minimize the influence of special interests. Could it be because it’s the Democrats who are the Wall Street darlings this election and that he brings in more money from Wall Street then McCain? I’m not going to defend the Repubs but I’m also not going to be party to pretending that the Dems aren’t also 50% responsible for the mess we’re in.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am
alpaig52, and Nixon started the HMO’s without any regulations. Check out that piece of history. As for Dodd and the Countrywide issue, I will have to investigate farther. As for the Fannie Mae issue AGAIN, follow the corporate ‘take-over’, paperwork trail left behind by McCains Oil advisors. They pulled their stocks out back in 2005, which if you understand the market, which McCains advisors had some from of ‘insider’, and McCain THEN requested regluations. I could go back to other statements and paste them again if you would like.
Posted by: historyforgotten | September 22, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
Thinking What do you know about his record? It must not be a thing if you somehow believe that McCain hasn’t worked bi-partisan. He has a strong record of bi-partisan work on major issues and in fact it’s one of the reason the far right doesn’t like him- he works with and is too friendly with the Dems. ‘mon- he’s best friends with Biden; friends with Kennedy; friends with Hillary; Kerry wanted him to be his VP candidate; Feingold says that while he supports Obama he doesn’t fear a McCain Presidency because McCain is really an independent; he’s friends with Daschle; he’s obviously friends with Lieberman who votes 95% of the time with the Democrats; the Dems tried to get him to jump ship from the GOP to the Dems and as Bill Clinton says he’s not your typical Republican. If he were then he’d be double digits behind after 8 years of Bush. The far right hates him and trusts him less then the liberals do. He and Bush can’t stand each other. There is no doubt that McCain will have a bi-partisan cabinet if anyone knows anything about McCain other then getting there info from the Huffington Post and MSNBC.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
historyforgotten Just go on the Center for Responsive Politics and look at where everyone’s campaign funds come from. Obama and McCain don’t even get the opportunity to vote on some issues around the economy if it doesn’t come out of committees and 90% of your legislation doesn’t make it out of committees. Look at both the Dems and Repubs on committees around banking and finance and look where there money is coming from. I’ve already said, I won’t defend the Repubs on any of this BUT I also will not let the Dems off the hook. They are just as corrupt as the Repubs. Look at the Housing bill.
Look at ACORN and who they support and whether they benefit from a housing bill or education and who’s in the pocket of the NEA. Democrats, Republicans- what’s the difference?
When they deregulated the banking industry it was like Xmas time for the Dems tacking things on and the same thing will happen with what’s happening right now. We need reform. I don’t care if it’s a Dem or Repub who spearheads it but it needs to be done.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
Well in 2000 I might have voted for him, i thought then he was a moderate, but now I know that he is not. He has completely sold out to the far right of the Republican Party, and can not be trusted. He has shown that he tends to knee jerk reactions, not well thought out, and is unable to motivate those around him.
His political pandering, from Palin to Cox, to Coumo, tax gas holidays, drilling, Bush tax cuts, Rovian tactics, out right lies, he is not the same man.
Posted by: Thinking | September 22, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
Nat Turner You’re dreaming. Just last week McCain was ahead in electoral votes. Now Obama may win, and I assume he will, but it won’t be by a landslide nor will he have a mandate. He barely made it out of the Democratic primaries and in fact had less of the popular vote then Clinton so he didn’t even get a landslide or mandate within his own party.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am
Thinking What about Obama’s political pandering to the far left and his backtracking on NAFTA, FISA, public financing, gun control, death penalty,
Iran and so on ? He’s had four years to do this in comparison to McCain’s almost 30 years. I would hope over almost 30 years one could change their mind dependent on the circumstances. Why is it Obama said nothing on the Senate floor about Iraq until he decided to run for President? Even his own camp acknowledges this. I won’t defend or justify any Rovian tactics on the part of the McCain camp but what about the Obama camp and some of their lies and distortions? They are the one’s saying they’re new politics and going to stay above it all and yet they haven’t. These candidates want to win and anyone who runs for President has to be a bit arrogant and narcissistic in the first place . I’ve heard Obama supporters justify his backtracking on issues and playing low by saying “well, he can’t do his agenda unless he wins and then he’ll go back on track”- well, it works both ways. I don’t like the fact that for the past 2 years McCain has pandered to his own party but
he at least has a record and accomplishments that enable me to take a leap of faith- more so then with Obama.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am
alpaig52, I never said Mccain was anti-parisanship. And I still agree that both parties are at fault. I liked McCain more, than many other politicions, as a Rep, I stood by my posistion, since I could vote. But When I was trying to defend McCain on some issues back in Jan., I was following a trail, that kept leading to corporate take overs. I wanted to know who they were, and it kept leading me to the same men, who are now his advisors. The take-overs where shown to be coruption, protected by the same deregulations, McCain put in place in 1996-1998. McCain recieved money from his advisors, after the take-overs, and McCain put that money back into oil stocks. The same companies that helped Bush, start his Oil businesses, are still McCains advisors. I don’t dislike McCain because of his views in the past. But he has taken on the same views his advisors use to stop small businesses. I would love to see a Republican president, with a Dem VP, for true bi-partisanship. But that president has to stand up for ALL America, not just Big Corp America. McCain has not shown me All America yet. Palin does not count because her background is too rich with debt and long term mistakes in Alaska. Plus if she lies to Hannity and Gibson, how am I suppossed to believe her. What few people know is that she still had a road built, to the ‘Bridge to No-Where’. There is no longer a use for this road. Yet Alaska has to pay the debt she incured for it. Most of Obamas bad rep history that I could find is already on the table, or has been found out to be stretches of the truth. I still look for dirt on him as well, but it is showing that he has less to worry about.
Posted by: historyforgotten | September 22, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
historyforgotten Well, I have no love whatsoever for Phil Gramm who was on board with McCain as an economic advisor and who we well know was involved in deregulating the banking industry. Big turnoff for me until it became apparent to me that one of Obama’s economic advisors is David Wolf, who heads UBS and is Gramm’s boss.
Obama has just as many unsortly types in the economic arena around him as does McCain. So while I can agree with you about McCain, Obama has no moral higher ground and in fact is on the same playing level. That’s not hope or change in my book. Obama has less to worry about because he has no record and does things like not showing up to vote and actually making his position clear to be held accountable on. The fact that he gets more money from Wall Street then McCain this election and while he represents the candidate of change would back out of public financing says something in itself. Now I don’t begrudge him backing out of public financing because he wants to win, but don’t tell me he’s about change though or stands on principle or that I have any reason to hang my hopes on him. You can’t look at the money behind Obama and tell me he doesn’t represent big money any more then you can McCain- so I’m not buying that fantasy. Obama is a corporate candidate just like every other Washington politician, simple as that.
I see no record whatsoever in Obama’s
time in Illinois or the US Senate that tells me he’s a potential reformer, strongly bi-partisan or that he will stand up to his party or special interests- quite the contrary in fact.
McCain voted 90% of the time with the Repubs but Obama voted 97% of the time with the Dems. What I can bank on with McCain is he has a record of reform, bi-partisan work and standing up to special interests and his party at times. He won’t be in past one term so he won’t be worrying about getting reelected. He has strong relationships with the Democrats. The far right hates him and that’s a plus in my book.
The Democrats like him, that’s a plus.
Pelosi and Reid hate him, big plus in my book. Palin, while I question her lack of experience just as I do Obama’s, was a brilliant choice for McCain. The far right loves her because of her stance on social issues so she brings that base in; she’s the female counterpart to Obama in that she’s an up and coming bright star within her party so she brings in new people based on that appeal and she has a reformist streak that reenergizes McCain and allows him to be McCain. McCain having Palin on the ticket gets the social conservatives off his back and allows him to say things like the Republicans have failed these past 8 years that he couldn’t get away with if she wasn’t on the ticket. The beauty of it is her governing isn’t dictated by her conservative social positions (as Bill Clinton even acknowledged the other day). I have no interest in the liberal smear campaign going on directed towards her and more interest in what the people of Alaska thought of her and she was highly popular there , was considered more of a populist and someone who doesn’t where her beliefs on social issues on her sleeve nor let it dictate policy when she governs.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 3:14 am 3:14 am
More about Shadow governer of Alaska-John Harris, the Republican speaker of the Alaska House, said he had never been called by the spouse of a governor, before the two calls he got from Todd Palin. One was to argue for moving the state capital to Anchorage. The other was to ask Harris to “keep an eye” on a key aide who had an affair with the wife of one of Todd’s best friends.
What has happened to Alaskas crime reat, debt, and prices on rape kits. They sky-rocketed through her glass ceiling. Alaska needs help now. Do not let the Palins get away with fraud.
Posted by: historyforgotten | September 22, 2008, 3:17 am 3:17 am
Nat So why didn’t he win in a landslide over Clinton? Why can’t he get a substantial lead over McCain or
is in such a tight race right now? I think Obama will win but in a very close race. I also think something could happen in the upcoming time left that could tilt the election either way
and I wouldn’t even venture to predict what that would be or who it would benefit. But as is right now, you’re landslide theory is nothing more than a pipedream.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 3:17 am 3:17 am
alpaig52, Palins has no long term goals for Alaska. Just ask Alaska, when they recieved their largest debt in history. She may have stood up for Big Business in her state, but the individuals, are paying for her failure. Wasila is paying for an unused substandard gym, because she thought it would bring quick cash. She thought her crime rate would go down, if she charged a high price for rape kits. The entire police force has had fundings takin away, to pay for some of Palins mistakes. Now the entire police force is screaming for help. No, Palin is not for America. She has become a me first, corupt individual. How can she be for family values, when she put her speech, over her water-breaking. This act has shown irresponsibility, towards her baby Trig. Infection and suffocation can set in the longer you go without supervision, for the baby. Palin has failed Alaska and family values.
Posted by: historyforgotten | September 22, 2008, 3:28 am 3:28 am
alpaig52, Let me ask you this. Did she lie to Gibson about not blinking when ask to be VP, or did she lie to Sean Hannity when she said she wanted to ask her daughters first? Just curious about this.
Posted by: historyforgotten | September 22, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
historyforgotten If you go on the websites of the major newspapers in Alaska after Palin was put on the ticket you see very strong support for her as Governor. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not she has/had a high approval rating in Alaska even while Troopergate has been in the press there. Even her opponents saw Troopergate as no indication she was corrupt or unethical but that the situation was mismanaged on her part at most. Her brother-in-law was never fired and the guy who was has already stated he was never asked to fire him by either Palin or anyone for that matter. Now you have every one she ever fired coming out of the woodwork,
her opponents or those supporting Obama
and anyone who has a story that could bring them some bucks from the Enquirer. Yeah, I’m going to put all my stock in them. You have Obama supporters now spearheading this investigation into Troopergate- at least they don’t have an agenda, huh?
We had the press saying she banned books and yet no books were ever banned;
she supports abstinence and contraceptive education in the schools;
she supports evolution and creationism in the schools ; she vetoed legislation that would have deprived gays/lesbians of domestic partner benefits and she didn’t buckle under to pro-life groups to tack legislation on to other bills.
The media has portrayed her as a right wing whacko and it as the dust settles it appears she’s anything but that, so I’m not taking too much stock in anything coming out of certain media outlets at this point.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
You know, two years ago, there was an article in the National Geographic about ANWR.
I just recently dug up the copy, and was looking through it when I saw the article on ANWR, and I cannot believe Palin would destroy such a beautiful place. Sure, they’re proposing to drilling over the whole of ANWR, but there’re plenty of animals who will lose their habitats already. And if they hit a large amount of oil that extends into the protected territory, they will push for the land to be opened up.
I really don’t understand Palin. How can she be highly religious but at the same time so reckless about the environment-which in her book, should be God’s creation that Man should be taking care of and not destroying? Polar bears: Oh, they will adapt to living on land.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am
historyforgotten I don’t see any discrepancies between what she said to Gibson or Hannity. She didn’t indicate to Hannity that she personally hesitated on agreeing to being a VP candidate and yet she did, as Obama did, ran it past her family before committing. Obama decided to run after people posed that to him but didn’t commit until he ran it past his wife- so what’s the difference? I think there was a difference in the interview between Gibson and Hannity. Palin was clearly more on the defensive as far as her qualifications with Gibson and had every reason to be. Even the Obama supporters I know were disgusted with Gibson’s patronizing manner in which he did the interview. So when I look at that interview I put it into that context. I’ve seen interviews with her before she was selected VP and her style is pretty relaxed in comparison to what we saw with Gibson. So no, I don’t think she lied in either. I think between the two interviews her answer was just more fleshed out.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am
I’m starting to think that Gibsons attitude had more to do with what was cut out than what was left in that interview.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 22, 2008, 3:44 am 3:44 am
Grey Matter,
Yes, they are proposing to drill over the WHOLE of ANWR.
It’s a “2000 acre footprint” of oil wells spread out over the entire vreserve, because the oil happens to be spread out over the entire reserve.
The idea that it is going to be like a single large facility that has no environmental impact is ludicrous.
And all that for a year or two of more suburban living.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 22, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
Grey Matter McCain doesn’t support drilling in ANWR. I don’t either . I did watch an interview with Palin on CNBC with some Maria gal , where Palin talks about drilling in ANWR. She had me almost convinced after listening to her. I’m not going there yet but it did make me rethink whether I really know that much about ANWR and whether what I do know about it is indeed pretty politically motivated. I’m pretty sure you can find the interview on You Tube. They take you out to the area they talk about drilling in ANWR.
One thing I do trust about Palin is that I grew up with a father who grew up on a farm and hunted and fished and loved the outdoors his whole life. The far left puts those folks down and acts like they’re idiots but I can’t think of anyone who understands and is more committed to conservation and to the land they grew up with then those folks.
So in my mind, Palin has credibility in that regard.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
Grey Matter I won’t disagree with you on some of that. I am not comfortable with some of the rhetoric that comes out of the mouth of either Palin or McCain when they’re on the campaign stump but I also recognize that’s what some of the voters want to hear. With Palin, I don’t think (clearly) she’s done any real critical thinking about foreign policy nor has she really needed to in the past. I actually find that kind of refreshing because had she had grander political aspirations then she certainly wouldv’e been far more savvy. With McCain, I’ve heard enough of his speeches and townhalls to know his perspective on foreign policy and to feel comfortable and to honestly say there’s little difference between himself and Obama other then presentation at times.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am
alpaig35,
To me, Palin seems pretty callous about the environment…I mean, sure she may hunt and stuff like you do, but she for one also tried to sue the government to get the polar bear taken off the endangered species list…Well, yeah, but she would have considerable influence if she becomes VP, and that could help the oil companies get support, and that’s something I really oppose.
I’d like to believe McCain but I don’t know, since he seems to have thrown some of his honour under the bus lately, and he’s been flip-flopping on too many things.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
alpaig52,
I had an uncle who was a farmer with a masters degree in agronomy.
He didn’t hunt and he didn’t fish but he loved animals and he could walk through a field and tell you its precise stage of ecological development.
I have nothing against hunting and fishing. I’m a Progressive and while I don’t own any guns I respect your right to do so. What you don’t understand about the left is that most of them happen to live in a very different environment. So while you want them to understand your sensitivities about nature and respect for the environment, it might be good for you to try and understand their sensitivities about the unrestricted sale of assault weapons and machine pistols. I’m just sayin’
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 22, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
alpaig52, Let me ask you this. Did she lie to Gibson about not blinking when ask to be VP, or did she lie to Sean Hannity when she said she wanted to ask her daughters first? Just curious about this.
She is putting on two faces. One for each crowd. Republican and Dems are BOTH calling her out. Sure her quick buck idea works for a year, but all the people of Alaska was not given a plan to get out of their debt. Her short-sightedness, is not a change from Bush. Her narrow view of the future, is just that. Narrow. She does not stand by her mistakes, and ran from Wasila. Now she is running from Alaska. Next she will run FROM the US. This is not a VP pick. She was a quick ‘wow’.
Posted by: historyforgotten | September 22, 2008, 4:00 am 4:00 am
Grey Matter I don’t disagree with you about drilling in many regards- I’ve always opposed it up until recently and now I support off-shore drilling but not ANWR as does McCain. I have no problem with alternative sources but that won’t happen overnight as neither will drilling. I’ve come to the conclusion that we’re a nation of pigs who want our cake and eat it too. We want the lifestyles we lead but don’t want to pay the price. If the price of gas were to go down and stay for awhile we’d go right back to buying SUV’s and other gas guzzlers. If we wiped off the credit card debt of everyone in this Country within a matter of time we’d have it all right back up to where it was to begin with regardless of the interest rates. We’ll change our lifestyles if we have absolutely no choice but if you give us an inch we’ll take the mile. We spend alot of money on health care costs around smoking and obesity and yet we have no magic bullet to get people to change their behaviors
so my expectations are pretty realistic in regards to the personal changes we need to make in regards to the energy crisis and whether those will happen or not. I also do not want to see our young men/women fighting wars because of our foreign oil dependency and I see little in the Dems proposal on energy that moves us off foreign oil dependency. Petreaus is from Centcom who evolved out of the Carter Doctrine whose whole purpose is to protect our national interests pertaining to oil. Our oil dependency is linked to our national security and I want to see that change. So if it means move over polar bears then I guess it will have to be.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 4:06 am 4:06 am
Your points are indeed valid, but to me, I think if we didn’t have so many enemies in the Middle-East and if we would try to engage them and help stabilise the region, then at least our dependence on foreign oil won’t have so much potential to be jeopardised.
The problem is that offshore drilling will take a pretty long time to find the oil, we may not see the results for many years, and it will not be able to currently benefit us.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 4:10 am 4:10 am
Grey Matter Hey, I’ve voted predominantly Democrat my whole life and yet there have been occasions I’ve cast a vote for the GOP or a 3rd party.
When it comes to Iraq I consider Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld the axis of evil.
I am as disgusted with the foreign policy of the past 8 years as you are.
I had every intent of voting DFL this year and supported Clinton. I like Obama, I clearly support some of his positions and my reasons for not supporting him now have nothing to do with race or any of the garbage that’s been directed towards him that you see on some of the blogs. For me, it’s about his experience, his record and accomplishments to date and what that tells me. There is no other Republican I would even consider other than McCain
and that is because while I haven’t always agreed with him I respected his ability to do what he felt was right regardless of party, even if I didn’t think it was right. If I thought for one minute that McCain was a Bush 3rd term or he was a war monger I wouldn’t even consider him. Having said that, things like the “bomb Iran” and other things he has said have made me cringe at times . I’ve listened to him enough now in varied settings and did my homework on him enough that while I still sometimes get a cringe factor when he is on the campaign stump , that I have alot of faith in him. I think, like Biden (who I also like) that he’s a
pretty old dude who says things he thinks are humorous that aren’t . I grew up in the PC period, he didn’t (as is the case with Biden also) and yet they’ve adapted and yet they still put some winners out there. It’s not surprising to me these two guys are best friends. I’m not 100% comfortable with McCain but I’m even less so with Obama and I have my moments where I fluctuate between the two based on what I hear that day. We all have to base our decision on whom to vote for on what’s important to us and there’s something about McCain that I trust the McCain of 2000 still exists and that if there ever was a candidate who had the feist and guts to actually attempt reform that it would be him.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 4:23 am 4:23 am
-McCain of 2000 still exists and that if there ever was a candidate who had the feist and guts to actually attempt reform that it would be him.-
alpaig52, Its called a take-over. Even Republicans are refering to ‘Maveric’ as the gambler from the old tv show. He bluff, until he can see who wins. Then he says, ‘Ive been on your side the whole time. hee hee.
Posted by: historyforgotten | September 22, 2008, 4:30 am 4:30 am
Grey Matter The same with alternative sources. Look at ethanol and how food prices went up and how that hasn’t worked out particularly well. I’m just at the point where we throw the whole kitchen sink and see what lands. Is that the ideal? No way.
I think we need to try everything, including changing our own behavior. I’ll be honest with you, for someone who has always considered myself a liberal this election has been an eye-opener and when it’s all said and done it will be interesting to look back and see what really played itself out. I have never been so disheartened and disappointed in the Democrats or liberals in general nor have I ever been so aware of the hypocrisy and dogma
of the far left. I’ve always seen no difference between the far right and left but never so clearly as today. Maybe that’s why McCain appealed to some of the Clinton supporters. I saw Obama pandering to the far left and the far right hating McCain. Which of course made McCain the centrist . Now of course Obama has moved to the center and McCain has thrown out Palin to satisfy the social conservatives which still keeps McCain in the center and Obama still pandering. I do not believe that Clinton lost due to sexism, but having said that I expected some of the sexist, vile and hateful comments towards a female candidate to come from the Limbaugh’s of the world but I certainly never expected it from the men and women who call themselves liberals and for whom I’ve aligned myself with most of my adult life. I was disgusted at the religious intolerance displayed around Obama in the primaries and am equally so by the intolerance displayed around Palin. there is no difference in my book other then what side you’re sitting on- but it’s all the same and it’s all hypocrisy.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 4:36 am 4:36 am
alpaig52,
I respect your choice, and I’m glad you prefer McCain because of his stand on issues and records, and not like some people who are screaming all kinds of rubbish about Obama. Even Obama supporters when they are against McCain supporters seem to get into a virtual fight and start calling each other names and throwing false accusations all over the place at both sides.
For me, I think Obama is pretty solid, and while he’s certainly not been in the US Senate for as long as McCain, he’s served as a senator in the state senate for 8 years before moving up to the US Senate. His seat on the foreign policy committee and when I listen to him he gives me the idea he knows what he’s doing. He seens genuine, and when I watched the RNC, I initially was quite annoyed by all the divisive remarks and I didn’t really like Palin’s speech.
However, when McCain spoke, he seemed like a genuinely decent person to me, and I was touched by his description of his days in Vietnam and he really sounded more bi-partisan then the other speakers. Lately, though, he’s been saying stuff like, “It’s Country first or Obama first” or like allowing the whole “lipstick on a pig thing” to get blown out of proportion which I find quite offensive, and why I feel I cannot support him. I hope the decent McCain is still in there, though. That’s just my opinion, though (:
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 4:36 am 4:36 am
historyforgotten Actually, I feel the same about Obama. I actually think I look at Obama pretty realistically and as such if indeed he wins, and I assume he will, I think I’ll be far less disappointed in him then those who actually voted for him and put him into the White House. Your getting old politics with Obama and regardless of whether it’s Obama or McCain what’s not
old is the circumstances in which they will have to govern and the limited options they both will have.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 4:39 am 4:39 am
Grey Matter I think all four of these people on both tickets are decent individuals. I actually like all four for different reasons. People vote for different reasons and regardless of the ticket we opt to vote for we’re all taking a leap of faith in that candidate. I have high regard for Obama’s intelligence and for me his “nuance’ when it comes to his answers works for me. I think more like Obama and that’s what appeals to me about him. I can listen to him, not on his teleprompter big speeches but rather his one/one interviews , and say to myself that perhaps I should vote for him. I think McCain’s intelligence though is vastly underrated and he will never be as eloquent as Obama nor will he speak to me generationally in the way Obama does- but what McCain does have though is that he’s principled; he’s willing to show up and stand up and cast his vote and take the consequences for such and that’s something Obama sorely lacks. McCain to me is doer. I think Bill CLinton was right when he said the choice will be between someone who represents change or seems to be a transformative figure
vs. someone who has actually shown they can be an agent of change. I’ve known many intelligent people in my life , brilliant people, who’ve not been good managers nor been able to accomplish anything they seemed so capable of. For me, I’d like to see Obama go back to the Senate and actually get the experience (because he squandered his Foreign Relations committee experience totally) and the record and come back in 2012 and I’d vote for him in a second.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 4:51 am 4:51 am
alpaig52,
Haha, I wish I could see things as you do-seeing all the candidates positively but to be honest, I’m finding myself disliking Palin, although I think McCain isn’t as bad, though he could do without being a bit snide over the patriotism thing lately.
Just wondering, what are you referring to in “but what McCain does have though is that he’s principled; he’s willing to show up and stand up and cast his vote and take the consequences for such and that’s something Obama sorely lacks. ” It isn’t the voting present thing, is it?
If McCain were to win, I would be like, not my ideal choice, but not as worried, but what I’m really worried about is if something happens to McCain and Palin has to takeover. She seems sorely unprepared in the area of foreign policy, seeing also how she did not study constitutional law, and this kind of stuff isn’t something you can cram into your head in a few months.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 4:59 am 4:59 am
Leonard I don’t own guns either. I learned to use a gun and hunt when I was young and fortunately never shot a thing. While I don’t have the heart to shoot an animal (unless I have no choice) , I have a healthy respect for those who do because I grew up around it. I’m now a professional who works in social services/public health and who works in urban areas and I see the use of guns (with some exception obviously) in those two circumstances as being very different and the problems being unique to those environments. There is clearly a balance between ensuring there are laws which respect the rights of those who own and use guns responsibly and those who do not. When you see irresponsible or criminal use of guns, whether it be in a rural or urban community, there are clearly underlying issues there in both cases that need to be addressed and are more the root cause then the actual ownership of the gun itself.
I’m not an NRA member but I think what happens though is that when liberals get on issues around guns there is a perception of a high tolerance and empathy for the issues within the urban communities and to how those play out and a perception of total disdain for those outside the urban areas. Someone like Palin appeals to blue collar and rural voters because she doesn’t represent them rather she is them. People want to know that they are heard, understood and respected by those they vote for and the Democrats have failed this election miserably with those voters and really don’t deserve their votes. I have never seen so many blogs during the primaries and now that have made reference to those blue collar and rural voters as uneducated, low class, neanderthals,
white t—h and so on. I may be a college educated professional now but my roots are with a father who never missed one day of work in the factory in which he worked and who enjoyed his hunting and fishing and listening to Hank Williams or polka tunes. If the Dems lose this election this year it will be because they’ve done a poor job of reaching out to that group and Obama had poor judgement in not putting Clinton on who towards the end was seen as a champion of that group and McCain and the impeccable judgement of bringing on someone who could.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 5:13 am 5:13 am
Grey Matter If McCain wins I’ll cross my fingers he doesn’t drop dead before he actually gets into office or within the first 6 months either with Palin on the ticket. She clearly has taken little interest in foreign policy.
I would argue though that Obama has little if any foreign policy experience either but he has been on the campaign trail for over two years now and has lots of experience talking about foreign policy which doesn’t compensate for actual experience. If you give Palin 300 foreign policy advisors like Obama has, put her on the campaign trail for almost two years answering the same questions over and over again and let David Axelrod handle her and set her up doing speeches with Generals standing behind her or getting her a gig in Berlin- I think she’d do as well as him. Bill Clinton doesn’t doubt her political instincts nor does the Obama camp, so why would I? She hasn’t done any critical thinking or formed her own opinions on foreign policy yet, she’s working under the McCain positions, so it ought to be interesting as to how she will evolve. She’s actually an unknown and may end up being as much of a pleasant surprise as a nightmare. If McCain wins though, four years as VP will give her far more experience then Obama is coming in with. Constitutional law? Again, we have an abundancy of lawyers in Washington and I for one, don’t think we need anymore so Obama’s law experience is irrelevent to me. If he didn’t have it, he’d have it available to him easily. As for the principled part certainly the “present” votes are a small piece (and I’m fully aware of how they are used in Illinois and am still not impressed); the mixing up of voting buttons; his bill in Illinois in regards to his fourth largest contributor, Exelon’s, radioactive leaks; his missing votes
like the Kyle Lieberman vote and most importantly his blessing and curse of seeing both sides of an issue and looking for common ground. Clearly that’s an asset at times but there are times that one has to lead and take a position and stand one’s ground and there is little in his record that indicates he’s done such and his first instinct is to not do such. Georgia/Russia was a good example of such where he found fault with both sides initially when he first spoke out
(while he may have been correct he needs to lead at times and that was one).
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 5:30 am 5:30 am
I would disagree with that alpaig52, because from the way I saw Palin answering at the Gibson interview, her answers did not seem to show depth of understanding of foreign policy is quite weak. Obama’s understanding of it, I do not believe came from giving his speeches on the campaign trail over the past 2 years. It seems to come from his great interest and studies in the subjects, and his position on the Senate, not his advisors. He could not even start running for president if he could not ev en convince his would-be advisors that he understood foreign policy. I don’t think Palin can duplicate that easily.
Obama has also been an advocate for more action in Sudan, against the genocide going on there, before he even started running for president, and he seems to be aware of all this stuff. Obama himself, in my opinion, already knows something about foreign policy, and Biden is there to back him up at least, while for the Republicans, Palin won’t we be able to compare to McCain-i.e serving as president- at least not for a while. I cannot deny Obama has less experience than McCain or Biden, but from what he says, he seems to have put a lot of thought into all these issues.
Palin, I agree does seem to be like a normal person, but to me she comes across as rather polarizing. For the people who like her, there will be many who also don’t-with a passion. Her views such as on issues like overturning Roe vs Wade, and teaching creationism in class may not find their way into law, but some people feel that she is not representative of them. I am one of those who do not agree with her views, so I guess that’s why.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 5:44 am 5:44 am
That’s why I like McCain. He has a proven record of reaching across the aisle and he would do so to fill his cabinet with the best people he could find – regardless of political affiliation.
True “Country First” thinking!
Obama? I heard him say he would put both Dems and Reps in his cabinet. Then chuckled and said, “Well, not too many Republicans”. It’s all one big joke (or is that okey doke?) to Obama.
Posted by: marylou | September 22, 2008, 5:48 am 5:48 am
Grey Matter We’re in agreement about Palin- she has no depth of understanding around foreign policy.
Obama didn’t deal with foreign policy as a community organizer or State Senator. He spent the majority of his time in the US Senate campaigning for President. He never held one hearing in his stewardship on the sub-committee on Foreign Relations he held because he was too busy campaigning. Where do people like Biden and McCain and Richardson get there foreign policy experience? By the committees they’re on. That’s where they acquired their depth of knowledge, perspective and experience by holding those hearing and traveling to places like Iraq. Obama decided he could just skip over getting the experience and run for President.
In his book “Audacity of Hope” he talks about foreign policy to some degree but so what? He’s an intelligent man with opinions. I’ve seen alot of bloggers, and you may be one, who’ve given alot of thought to foreign policy and can articulate those thoughts well- that’s not foreign policy experience though. Obama himself has said most of his work has been just having to talk. That’s what Senators do and that’s what community organizers do alot of. So that’s established- Obama is intelligent and thoughtful and a good talker- but where’s the experience? Now Governor’s don’t just talk, they actually have to govern but they don’t need to be fluent on foreign policy most of the time. Now I live in MN and Pawlenty talks alot about foreign policy and why? because he has grander political aspirations and was trying to schmooze his way on to the McCain ticket. Obviously Palin didn’t have the grand political aspirations on a national level that either Pawlenty or Obama did. That’s part of her appeal for some though. She’s the true Washington outsider. She makes Obama sound like an old politics Washington insider. No one doubts Obama’s intelligence but I wouldn’t underestimate Palin’s intelligence or political instincts either. I don’t expect much from her now though. Obviously you can run for Prez with minimal foreign policy experience because Obama is and most of our President’s for sometime have been Governor’s with minimal foreign policy experience. George Sr is the only one in recent time who came in with a considerable amount of foreign policy experience and it actually showed. Sorry, I think Biden should be on the top of the ticket and Obama as VP and if Palin is anywhere on a ticket it should be as VP. Palin is in the right spot if you’re going to put your partie’s up and comer on the ticket and Obama is in the wrong spot. I’ve put alot of thought into these issues and so have you- but that doesn’t mean we’re ready to be President. I’m not going to cut Obama though totally short, he is politically skilled in many, many ways and has personal attributes that would serve him well as President and he is intelligent and thoughtful, a good orator and while he is nowhere in the same league in accomplishments or experience as a McCain (by no fault of his own but rather you can’t compare only 143 active days in the US Senate to almost 30 years and expect the same results) he is still not without his own accomplishments. I don’t think Obama is experienced enough to be Prez but at the same time maybe bringing on someone less experienced like an Obama or Palin may not be a bad thing. I’ll keep a certain amount of openness to it. I am very liberal on social issues and certainly do not agree with Palin but I respect anyone’s right to have a different opinion then mine. I don’t vote on social issues for the most part at this point in life and what’s most important is how those personal beliefs impact her governing or implementing policy. There is nothing I have seen in her role as Governor that gives me any major reason to be concerned, at least not yet. I was appalled that Pastor Wright believed HIV was a genocidal plot of the governments and that Wright believed that blacks think with one side of their brain and whites with the other and that he felt schools were racist because they didn’t take that fact, as known to him, into account. Obama went to that church for 20 years and I believe him and have no reason whatsoever to doubt that whatever he may have heard come out of his Pastor’s mouth will have any impact on his governing or implementing policy. I give that to him , so why would I not Palin. I don’t like GD America and alot of what I heard from that church but I respect Obama’s right to attend there and expect that he speak to some of what his church has preached and where he stands on it and I am satisfied with everything he has said. I think the left needs to let go of their total hypocrisy and pretense around religious tolerance and give Palin the same shake.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 22, 2008, 6:30 am 6:30 am
Gov. Palin gets 60,000 at a rally in Villages, FL yesterday and ABC nadda on blogs. I could have missed it. Looks like ABC is in denial, also. Bloggers have been doing their best to trash her, but all they are really doing is to awaken a “Sleeping Giant!”
Posted by: Temagami | September 22, 2008, 7:17 am 7:17 am
” 60,000 in The Villages, FL yesterday. GO PALIN!!
McCain/Palin 08″
OH, SO NOW IT IS OK FOR A CANDIDATE TO BE CELEBRITY! IT WAS A PROBLEM FOR OBAMA. Hypocrites. BTW: It’s nice to know a Walmart is there.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | September 22, 2008, 7:40 am 7:40 am
Maybe Sen McCain realises that Cuomo has a good chance of being elected to something from NY at some point and wants to take him out of the running. (Mayor Cuomo, Senator Cuomo, Governor Cuomo all sound pretty good!) Or just an early hat tip to bi-partisanship.
Whatever they are fairly easy words to say for McCain.
Posted by: markymark | September 22, 2008, 7:41 am 7:41 am
There was no crowd announced–it was the population of the retirement community you nitwit.
“SHE WAS WELCOMED LIKE A STAR, with tens of thousands cramming into a plaza and nearby streets in this ENORMOUS RETIREMENT COMMUNITY about an hour north of Orlando. Some waited more than five hours in 92-degree heat to see her speak for 23 minutes.
Palin arrived in Florida on Friday and had no public events Saturday, though she told the crowd her daughters PIPER AND WILLOW GOT TO GO TO DISNEY WORLD.”
I bet if there was anybody under 55, they were bused in as part of their vacation package sold by the RNC.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | September 22, 2008, 7:46 am 7:46 am
Piper and Willow got to go to Disney World but I bet Sarah didn’t go see anybody who was impacted by the storms that went through the area in the past months. By the way, where was Johnny Boy when Ike ran through Texas? I saw no photos of him packing relief supplies. HA, what a calculated stunt!
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | September 22, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am
Rick Davis, “Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say”.
NYTimes
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | September 22, 2008, 7:53 am 7:53 am
Alpaig52, I am not certain why when Obama puts diplomacy first, that you and others talk like he’s “bowing down” or “Appeasing” Russia or anyone else.
I have a family and young children. One of these days, a president will start a war that won’t be the “remote control video game” style of war where we just watch soldiers killed on CNN. A war with Russia could become nuclear and subject my family and yours, and indeed our entire nation, to collosal destruction here at home.
I fully expect the president of my country to answer any question related to a potential war as follows: “The very first thing I will do is pursue diplomacy through the UN and other channels”, and to not answer any question about war until all diplomatic channels are exhausted.
There is one exception, of course: If it’s 3 AM and the missles are already in flight towards us, I suppose the president might to push the button without delay then head down to the protected vault underneat the white house. But a president whose policy is “war first” is more likely to receive that 3 AM wakeup call than a president who has a policy of “diplomacy first”. My family does not have a protective vault under our house.
Palin’s “I suppose so” answer about going to war did not sit well with me. It is a threat of war against Russia, albeit a veiled threat. I would have admired her reply a great deal more if she has said “Absolutely not – we will not go to war with Russia. We will work with Russia and George to find some solution that they can both live with, no matter how hard that may be. We will consult with all members of NATO in finding this solution.”
Not just “I guess we’ll have to go to war with Russia”.
Barack Obama’s approach is the one I like. He’s got the patience, judegement, and willingness to seek advice in important decisions that McCain Lacks.
Posted by: clifton | September 22, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am
Go to the UN first? The UN couldn’t even act on its own resolutions re. Iraq. The UN is as worthless as ti_ s on a frog. McCain understands this – Obama, who has spent his whole life in an “ACADEMIA BUBBLE,” has no clue!!
Posted by: Manitu | September 22, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
WOW, LIBS REDUCED TO ARGUING ABOUT SIZE OF GOV. PALIN’S CROWDS? A LITTLE DESPERATION SETTING IN? They SHOULD be!
Posted by: Temagamii | September 22, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am
Mr. McCain’s campaign is slowly dying.
Posted by: euro.guy | September 22, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
Clifton,
Your assertion that Obama’s diplomacy will win in Iran, ignores the continuous diplomatic effort, combined with stiff sanctions, that have been going on for years. 3 months ago, we held high level talks with them, offered them economic aid and a lifting of sanctions if they would give up nuclear ambitions.
It was rejected, of course.
Now, Iran is halfway to completing their first bomb..
How, tell me, do you negotiate with a society that beheads people, stones them to death, cuts off hands and feet, and hang gays regularly, in public?
Who has stated that the Holocaust was a hoax?
What can Obama say, or offer them, that the UN or US hasn’t already?
Nuclear weapons maybe?
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Not to beat a dead horse, but how do we negotiate from force, after Obama’s plans to cut military spending are enacted?
Take, for example, we leave South Korea.
Would Obama’s diplomacy stop the North from launching missiles as soon as we were gone, or is it the threat of annihilation that stops the attack?
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
McCain should fire failin’
Palin first, then fire himself,
and close down his campaign
operations. These two are the
crummiest candidates ever put
up by the Republican party.
Posted by: anon | September 22, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am