Obama Attacks McCain’s Response to Crisis on Wall Street
GOLDEN, COLO. — In front of eight American flags and a crowd of 2,184, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told voters want to understand he and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., differ they should look at how they have responded to the housing and financial crisis.
“This morning instead of offering up concrete ideas to solve the problems Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book – you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem,” Obama told his supporters who’d packed the bleachers at the Colorado School of Mines. “But here’s the thing – this isn’t 9/11. We know how we got into this mess. What we need now is leadership that gets us out. I’ll provide it, John McCain won’t, and that’s the choice for Americans in this election.”
This morning on Good Morning America, McCain told ABC News’ Chris Cuomo that regarding the current Wall Street crises, "we’re going to need a ’9/11 Commission to find out what happened and what needs to be fixed. I warned two years ago that this situation was deteriorating and unacceptable."
Obama said that “history shows us that there is no substitute for presidential leadership in times of economic crisis. FDR and Harry Truman didn’t put their heads in the sand, or hand accountability over to a commission. Bill Clinton didn’t put off hard choices. They led, and that’s what I will do.”
While discussing the housing crisis, Obama took a shot at the incident last month when McCain either could not or refused to answer a question as to how many houses he and his wife Cindy own.
‘If you’re a family that owns one house, bankruptcy judges are actually barred from helping you keep a roof over your head by writing down the value of your mortgage,” Obama said. ‘If you own seven homes, the judge is free to write down any or all of the debt on your second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh homes. Now that may be of comfort to Senator McCain, but that’s the kind of out-of-touch Washington loophole that makes no sense.”
Obama continued to hit McCain for his remark that “the fundamentals of the economy are strong,” adding that McCain “has said it over and over again throughout this campaign – no fewer than 16 times, according to one independent count.” (This was a reference to a tabulation compiled by NBC, that network officials of the McCain campaign have complained quite a bit about, though it may be tough for them to complain about this compilation.)
McCain continued this morning to offer his brands new definition of what he supposedly meant by “fundamentals.”
"I said the fundamental of our economy is the American worker," he said on GMA "I know that the American worker is the strongest, the best, and most productive and most innovative."
Obama offered his definition of fundamentals Tuesday, saying, “We have a different way of measuring the fundamentals of our economy.
"We know that the fundamentals that we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great," Obama said, channeling Bill Withers, "that America is a place where you can make it if you try.”
The Democrat also seized on a past remark by his Republican opponent. In March McCain told the Wall Street Journal that, “I’m always for less regulation, but I am aware of the view that there is a need for government oversight” in matters such as the subprime lending crisis. “But I am fundamentally a deregulator.”
Said Obama in response to the partial quote he read to the crowd of McCain saying he’s ‘fundamentally a deregulator,’ “this is what happens when you confuse the free market with a free license to let special interests take whatever they can get.’
“What we’ve seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed,” Obama charged, adding that McCain “is running for four more years of policies that will throw the economy further out of balance…..John McCain cannot be trusted to reestablish proper oversight of our financial markets for one simple reason: he has shown time and again that he does not believe in it.”
Obama presented his economic vision, reiterating previous economic proposals such as a $50 billion emergency economic plan that he suggested in August, and a six-point economic plan outlined in March 2007, a plan that includes:
• More oversight of financial institutions that borrow from the government;
• reforming requirements for all regulated financial institutions;
• requiring greater transparency;
• a streamlining of regulatory agencies;
• a new policy of regulating institutions for “what they do, not for what they are”;
• cracking down on trading activity that constitutes market manipulation; and establishing a process that identifies risks in the financial system earlier.
McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds responded to Obama’s speech, saying that ‘Barack Obama offered nothing new except for sharp criticisms of the most fundamental elements of the American economy and pessimism about genuine efforts to restore our country’s prosperity. More important than understanding that raising taxes on small businesses during a struggling economy is a bad idea, is respecting the strength of American workers and ingenuity – sadly Barack Obama demonstrates neither.”
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Obama has been talking about reforming
the financial markets and lack of oversight for months.
Last month, McCain’s chief financial adviser(who authored much of the deregulation which led to this mess) told the American people that the recession was in their head and they were a bunch of whiners.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
On Bloomberg Television this weekend, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank noted that, as a leader in the Senate Republican caucus, McCain did nothing for years to deliver reform in the face an impending credit crisis:
So here’s the record – 12 years of Republicans, including John McCain being a committee chairman for much of that period. Zero – zero enactment of any reform. Democrats take power, and in a year and a half, we have passed a bill that did everything the administration asked for, in terms of enhancing the regulatory structure.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
And what – exactly has obama and the DEMS done to help America in this situation – ZERO!!!!!! Blame the GOP’s – BUT – it is the DEMS in charge.
Obama is a Radical FRAUD – he is NOT qualified to lead our country – Both Hillary & Biden told us so – and we believe them.
McCain/Palin – BEST qualified to lead our country.
Posted by: Molly | September 16, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I can’t believe that the McCain camp has NOTHING here; but then again this is an actual policy issue. Not a lipstick controversy.
Eight years of Republican mistakes have gotten us here, I pray to God this country elects Obama-Biden.
It’s time for Change.
Posted by: Rhoda | September 16, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
So, the question is What McCain would do to resolve the crisis? In the aforementioned statement, the campaign says:
“The McCain-Palin Administration will replace the outdated and ineffective patchwork quilt of regulatory oversight in Washington and bring transparency and accountability to Wall Street. We will rebuild confidence in our markets and restore our leadership in the financial world.”
Basically, McCain has called for greater transparency in the financial markets. He has vowed to reform Wall Street by bringing greater accountability and simplifying the regulatory structure presently responsible for serving as watchdog of financial markets.
His rhetoric on reform hits the right tone. However, his campaign Web site has no specific plan outlined for reform nor did his campaign respond to email requests for more detail.
Obama also recognized the effect of the crisis on Americans. In a Monday statement, his campaign said:
“The situation with Lehman Brothers and other financial institutions is the latest in a wave of crises that are generating enormous uncertainty about the future of our financial markets. This turmoil is a major threat to our economy and its ability to create good-paying jobs and help working Americans pay their bills, save for their future, and make their mortgage payments.”
His campaign has been calling for specific reform of Wall Street regulations, releasing a comprehensive plan in March. Obama’s three-pronged economic plan favors the principles of a free market but with a guiding hand from government. He wants to update regulations and regulate many of the now-unregulated areas of the markets, such as hedge funds and structured investment vehicles.
Obama leads. McCain reacts.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Obama’s speech about regulatory reform last summer was both brilliant and under-reported. Look to see it reprised, although the difficulty of course is that his very effective ideas don’t boil down to a “drill, baby, drill” slogan.
It’s too late for McCain to get on the real reform bandwagon. He’s been obsessed with earmarks, which are basically a BIG NOTHING in the big scheme of things. Like all things McCain, it’s all cosmetic. No wonder he’s obsessed with lipstick…
Posted by: Tungsten | September 16, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Biggest pro-troop PAC condemns Obama for trying to stall troop withdrawals until after the election.
Obama does not have the judgement or patriotism to be Commander-in-Chief.
Where is the MSM?
Too busy accusing Palin of banning books.
Posted by: harry | September 16, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
MSNBC just had a great quote. “Barack Obama is the Democratic Dog Food they’re not buying. They walk up, take a sniff, but leave it in the bowl.”
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Only 2,184 people at the Obama rally today?
Oh, wait a minute, the REAL rock star was there yesterday, wasn’t she??
Posted by: SandyB | September 16, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
“pass the buck”?
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 16, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
You nailed it Tungsten.
The only peep out of McCain about the financial markets are his chief financial advisers telling us the recession is in our heads and to stop whining.
Obama has been the one leading on this issue.
McCain is merely reacting from an ideological standpoint which is why he is flubbing around looking for a message.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
“Obama was the #2 recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the last 20 years, surpassed only by Dodd, with Kerry and Clinton on his heels.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 16, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Morning Edition, July 9, 2008 · By now, it’s well known that Democratic Illinois Sen. Barack Obama started his political career as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago.
It’s less well-known what Obama did before that: He was a financial researcher and writer in New York City, for a firm that catered to multinational corporations.
He wasn’t there long — only about a year. But the job at Business International Corporation provided a crash course in market economics.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
thank you Obama
But here’s the thing – this isn’t 9/11. We know how we got into this mess. What we need now is leadership that gets us out.
In the midst of hate & personal attacks here & elsewhere you present leadership & solutions.
OBAMA/BIDEN
Posted by: watching | September 16, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Sounds like the same proposal Bush offered more than two years ago. A proposal that Obama and the do-nothing democratic congress rejected.
Obama: Hot air and BS!
Posted by: dl | September 16, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
In 1999, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed 1930′s legislation that had separated commercial and investment banks. Commercial banks, where people deposit their paychecks and do personal banking, have regulation. Investment banks didn’t have that “fettering” as Republicans saw it.
John McCain voted for Gramm-Leach-Bliley
Economist Robert Kuttner (among others) has criticized the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act as contributing to the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis.[6] Economists Robert Ekelund and Mark Thornton have made similar criticisms, arguing that while “in a world regulated by a gold standard, 100% reserve banking, and no FDIC deposit insurance” the Financial Services Modernization Act would have made “perfect sense” as a legitimate act of deregulation, under the present fiat monetary system it “amounts to corporate welfare for financial institutions and a moral hazard that will make taxpayers pay dearly”
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Lets see who has got McCain’s ear on the financial crisis. Phil Gramm “Mr Enron Loophole” himself and Fiorana(?) Ceo of HP who mananged the demiss of a great company.Walked away with millions when they booted her.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
More on McCain’s chief financial adviser
Senator Phil Gramm led the Senate Banking Committee which sponsored the Act; he later joined UBS Warburg, at the time the investment banking arm of the largest Swiss bank.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Tungsten — How about this slogan: “trickled-down economics result in tricked-up pain”?
Or how about “it takes another Democrat to fix another Bush”?
Posted by: chris | September 16, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
If only America would actually pay attention to Obama instead of the lies and rumors from the McCain campaign.
Can’t wait to prove to McShame that we are smarter then he believes us to be.
Posted by: Enviro | September 16, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Technically, Phil Gramm is no longer John McCain’s economic advisor, but he’s a cloud over McCain’s tough Wall Street reform talk.
In the late 1990s, former Texas Senator and economics prof engineered financial reform. He led the effort to break down the barriers between traditional banking and investment banking. In a pure economics sense, he was right. Economies of scale, economic growth and wider markets were the byproducts.
But deregulation was viewed as king and regulatory oversight became a curse word. Anyone who mentioned the need for balanced regulation was shouted down as a backer of Big Brother/ Big Government.
Therein lies McCain’s problem. Gramm has had McCain’s ear, and apparently passed along tone deafness.
Now that long ago, Gramm said the economy was sound and Americans were whiners. Now McCain — on the day Wall Street implodes and stocks crash — says the nation’s economic fundamentals are sound. I think not.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
“In front of eight American flags … “
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 16, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
In short Obama wants more Government intervention (Socialism)
Maybe if him and his fellow Dems were not corrupt behind the scenes like Schumer causeing the Bank to crash Dodds and Obama with fannie may and Mac
Hey just maybe if the Dems opened up Drilling before they went on their lavish vacations (while the republicans stayed back and tried to fight for us) un-employment would not of gone up
Say thanks to Obama if you lose your jobs, just speeches just words!!
Ryan C – Heres facts for you – 6 year of Republican President and house – unprecedented growth and lowest unemployment – Dems take over Congress – reports of the highest corruption in Congress then ever before, stalinist trials, oil and food prices through the roof, un-emplyment going up, just imagine what they can do if they get the White house too – We will become a country of poor ran by the liberal Elite.
Posted by: spock | September 16, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
“breaking news” 5 Alaskian lawmakers (republicans)file a lawsuit to stop Palin Investigation.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
McCain has nothing to talk about except lipsticks, Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. He should have his own tv show on fashion and celebrities
Posted by: Ro | September 16, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Please note solid blue state of WA now down to a virtual dead heat with Obama now leading by only 2.
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Obama got a sweetheart deal from a mortgage company and looked the other way while abuse continued. Did he utter a single syllable of warning? NO.
Yet the shallow one continues to convince shallow people that he’s done something he never did. Again!
Posted by: dl | September 16, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Over this past year
one candidate argued for regulatory reform
one didn’t.
It’s as basic as they come if you can wade through all of this garbage coming from McCain supporters on here.
One candidate’s economic policies, platform and direction and reasoning were written by the man most responsible for the deregulation of the mortgage and energy speculation industries…Phil Gramm.
who in 2007 (yes within this last year) received 750,000 from the banking lobby to continue his long successful fight at not protecting America …for the wealthy and the banks who are now getting a bail out.
sounds just like the war …get us into a situation with no answer to get us out… and then argue the other side is wrong.
scum
throw these bums out.
and don’t listen to all the liars on here that are trying to spin it like it is 2003 and they are Cheney… it is 2008 and they are Mccain.
same team
same tactics
same outcome
9th year.
Posted by: dl | September 16, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
OBAMA LEADS.
McCAIN LIES.
’nuff said.
Posted by: Ed from MA | September 16, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
I watched Obama’s speech on CNN and he was on FIRE and the crowd was roaring!!! It was like the old Obama from the primaries was back or something.
I think this sparring with John McCain over the economy has re-invigorated Obama.
The speech was great and the Obama proposals are much more concrete compared to McCain’s.
Perhaps Obama could indeed win this thing…
Posted by: Sandra | September 16, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
“reports of the highest corruption in Congress then ever before”
You mean Delay, Cunningham, Doolittle, Ney, Stevens, Young, Feeney, & Renzi?
phew there sure are alot of corrupt Republicans.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Whenever Tucker Bounds or any other McCain surrogate is asked a direct question, they don’t answer it! They just go head long into an anti-Obama tirade.
When will they answer questions directly? How are McCain’s tax cuts to the wealthy going to help the middle class?
I just don’t see McCain as a regulator. Against earmarks, yes. Against deregulation, no. That is a core Republican principle.
Posted by: cincyr | September 16, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
FAKE dl alert
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
According to OpenSecrets.org, Barack Obama was the second largest recipient of political contributions from recently bailed-out, quasi-government lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The first? Senator Chris “VIP Loans” Dodd (Dodd’s buddy Kent “I call the CEO when I want a loan” Conrad rounded out the top 15).
Isn’t it a bit disturbing that the man who could be our next President took tens of thousands of dollars in contributions from one of the biggest boondoggles in the history of American government?
and remember Jamie Gorelic She was in Clintons Cabinet While you r at it go back a rearch and see what memeber stop reulation of fannie mae and fredie mac
Posted by: Pam | September 16, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
I knew you were a right wing troll Concerned.
I had no idea you were racist and bigot too.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
DL
dummy,,,, Obama has lobbyists bundling for his campaign that took in over a million last yr… and the fundraisign dinner tonight in hollywood is $28 thousand a plate… try again,…you people are grasping at straws to find somethign to stick to mccain and you cant…Obama never ran against an opponent much less ran against one from another party… still today he sounds disconnected and aloof… hes got to do better than that
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
The gays ruined our economy just like they caused Katrina……this is too much. Barney…back in the closet!!!
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
again
one candidate has argued for regulatory reform
one has spent 26 years arguing for it…and then hires the leading lobbyist for banking deregulation and the man who may be most responsible for this Phil Gramm (as he was getting paid by the banking lobby 750,000dollars to fight to deragulate this industry so as to open the doors to predatory lwenders…)
Yes…Mccain bares some of the responsibility… his leading economic advisor (you remember the guy that called us all…whiners) was the champion for these companies getting bailed out after they got HUGE bonuses a little over a year ago to buy their second and third homes…off the backs of this deregulation.
when it comes to this economy…who got us here…who has the best chance to get us out…(that actually has a different policy than the one WE ARE ACTUALLY LIVING ugh)
you can’t get more basic
Mccain campaign bad.
Obama Biden good.
basic
throw the bums out…and don’t listen to the liars who are trying everything to spinit like they have for 8 years.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Ryan
name calling isnt goign to work… you didnt listen to us when we told you that Hillary was the best democratic nominee and that she won the states you have to win in the GE… Obama did not…you just need to accept you will lose this election period and move on to other things… Obama is at his weakest now
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
again
one candidate has argued for regulatory reform
one has spent 26 years arguing for what we have… …and then hires the leading lobbyist for banking deregulation and the man who may be most responsible for this Phil Gramm (as he was getting paid by the banking lobby 750,000dollars to fight to deragulate this industry so as to open the doors to predatory lwenders…)
Yes…Mccain bares some of the responsibility… his leading economic advisor (you remember the guy that called us all…whiners) was the champion for these companies getting bailed out after they got HUGE bonuses a little over a year ago to buy their second and third homes…off the backs of this deregulation.
when it comes to this economy…who got us here…who has the best chance to get us out…(that actually has a different policy than the one WE ARE ACTUALLY LIVING ugh)
you can’t get more basic
Mccain campaign bad.
Obama Biden good.
basic
throw the bums out…and don’t listen to the liars who are trying everything to spinit like they have for 8 years.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Hey Sandy B — there were only 2,184 people there today because that was all the venue would hold. Tickets were gone in a matter of hours on Sun. Many more wanted in, but there wasn’t room. Try spinning something else, why don’t you?
Posted by: Liesl P | September 16, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
“According to OpenSecrets.org, Barack Obama was the second largest recipient of political contributions from recently bailed-out, quasi-government lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. ”
Over the course of a 12 year career in politics, Obama has received about $110K in donations from employees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and he received $4K from Fannie Mae’s PAC ($2K in 2004 & $2K in 2006)
Right wingers LOVE out of context stats, facts and quotes.
Because otherwise they would be stuck telling you the truth.
Which is McCain has NO plan for how to fix this mess but Obama has been talkign about his plan for months.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
I’m really tired of Obama whining.
He never fails to seek an opportunity to go dirty. Not with Ike, and not with our financial hurricane.
McCain-Palin will talk about true solutions, not what’s wrong with the liberals.
McCain-Palin 2008
Posted by: John | September 16, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
“Hey Sandy B — there were only 2,184 people there today because that was all the venue would hold. Tickets were gone in a matter of hours on Sun. Many more wanted in, but there wasn’t room. Try spinning something else, why don’t you?”
Another right wing lie NAILED!
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
DL
reposting what you just posted is not acceptable especially when its ill advised like the Obama campaign… didnt you people realize that you arent going to win now…a Biden even knows it hes not appearign with Obama because it will drag him down!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
very basic
one candidate who has the deregulation millionaires on his team
one candidate who has been giving speeches on how deregulation has to be reformed for a couple of years now…
don’t be fooled by the lies…
this mess is absolutely a direct result of McCain’s economic beliefs, policies and team.
and they are trying (as many on here are trying) to spin it otherwise.
throw these bums out.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
“Good ol’ Ryan C. When faced with damning facts, he pulls a 0bama and plays the race card.”
Shoe fits.
Walks like a duck.
Truth hurts.
Take your pick concerned.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
John…If you think Obama is dirty, check out some of the McCain ads….
Posted by: happless | September 16, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Pam good post the truth comes out Obama ran road blocks for the reform of Fannie Mae
______________________________________
According to OpenSecrets.org, Barack Obama was the second largest recipient of political contributions from recently bailed-out, quasi-government lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The first? Senator Chris “VIP Loans” Dodd (Dodd’s buddy Kent “I call the CEO when I want a loan” Conrad rounded out the top 15).
Isn’t it a bit disturbing that the man who could be our next President took tens of thousands of dollars in contributions from one of the biggest boondoggles in the history of American government?
and remember Jamie Gorelic She was in Clintons Cabinet While you r at it go back a rearch and see what memeber stop reulation of fannie mae and fredie mac
Posted by: Wayne W | September 16, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Ryan C
Im not a right winger but Obama will be the one nailed on election day the only hope he has is the debates and we all know how bad he is at them
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
“tired of Obama whining” Hey Phil Gramm is here. You know the one who said the economic problems were all in our head.Whiners….No more like PO at Bush/Cheney.I love how the man who laid the ground work for deregulation doesn’t think we should complain.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
staniam…typo had to repost…
but you can keep trying to throw a bunch of misinformation and spin up
Mccain was for this deregulation
he has hired the people who gave us and fought for this deregulation
that lobbied for this deregulation and the energy speculators…
one candidate has called for regulatory reform for a few years now.
Mccain proposes nothing new that Bush hasn’t promised or isn’t already implementing for the last 8 years.
how’d the last 8 years work for ya?
right down to the spin, lies, cover ups and manipulation.
throw these bums out.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
staniam…is that why Palin has separated from McCain? Or maybe she is in a hotel room cramming for the next”exam”
Posted by: formerhillary | September 16, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Wayne W
Mccain didn’t take just contributions
he hired them to write his economic policies and platform.
by change…he must have meant the pen they were using.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
• More oversight of financial institutions that borrow from the government;
• reforming requirements for all regulated financial institutions;
• requiring greater transparency;
• a streamlining of regulatory agencies;
• a new policy of regulating institutions for “what they do, not for what they are”;
• cracking down on trading activity that constitutes market manipulation; and establishing a process that identifies risks in the financial system earlier.Where are the specifics????
Posted by: shelly691 | September 16, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
“just leave… cease and desist and all you will not change one vote in this election.. Obama is already history… just deal with it!”
Truth hurts.
McCain reacts.
Obama leads.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Concerned in Ohio: How about the warnings to Condalessa Rice and Bush?How about that for inside information? These arguments get more pathetic by the hour.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
All you guys can do is bring up all the old stuff about Obama: Muslum, Frank. Ayers,Wright…got anything NEW!!!?
Posted by: newvoter | September 16, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
former hillary
Palin does have her debate coming u… and your point is… you can say all you want about it but Hillary can not apear to not support Obama because they will blame her when he loses! she knows the obama chicago machine will put the beat down on her and by the way Biden said himself last week that Hillary wouldve been the better vp
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Obama is right on!
Posted by: js | September 16, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
shelly691
go look at Obama’s speeches from last year…
those points you list much of them are in his speeches from LAST YEAR.
Mccain…uh…not so much…
unless having the opposite of your points over the past 26 years and hiring the guy that actually fought those points for the banking lobby
…counts for mentioning those points.
this is a joke
one campaign IS the team and policies that did this to us
one guy isn’t and has argued against that team and policies …
and you all try to argue for the team and deregulation and policies and banking lobby that did this to us?
oy no wonder we got the last 8 years and GW Bush.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Asking McCain to implement regulation is like asking a vegan to cook a steak. It is the antithesis of everything he believes in.
Part of the reason we ran into this mess is because for the last 8 years, the SEC, FDIC and Fed have been asleep at the wheel. This is a Bush Administration problem. He is so anti-regulation that he allowed the SEC to look the other way when banks got less than transparent.
The other part is the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that McCain voted for that allowed commercial banks to get into the investment game. This of course was a very bad idea as all of a sudden, the cornerstones of our financial sector were allowed to get into a very high risk gamble. Gramm wrote McCain’s economic policy for goodness sakes.
Blaming democrats for not implementing regulation is silly. There is *plenty* of regulation on the books. If the Bush Administration’s SEC had actually paid attention, this might have not happened. Had Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act not been passed, this definitely would not have happened.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
newvoter
no because its still current and relevant… extremeists liek that have no business having acces to the white house and you know th clintons never associated with anyone like that not to mention the black power people that think they have a right to steer an obama administration… I dont think so!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Molly…you’d better look at Palin before you say Obama is radical…If lies where spine
and she were porcupine she’d have a full load!!!!
Posted by: thetruth | September 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
28K for a dinner for Obama with that girl? who is out of touch now?? that is more than some people’s salary for a year.
Posted by: DH | September 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Who said it was ever old? Newvoter?
Those issues still persist and are not covered by the media. Is the Obama violating the Logan Act story old? That broke yesterday. And all Jack tapper can talk about is Palin.
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
For those of us that want to get out, work and don’t believe in redistribution of wealth or a socialistic Gov. the economy is only in a slow down Obama want to talk us into a recession Obama claims we’re in at recession he needs to go back and study economic 101 and learn the definition of recession if is really that smart he should know it. It fact go back to Bill Clinton last 6 month in office and you’ll have
Posted by: Wayne W | September 16, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
best quote of the day:
Eight years of Republican mistakes have gotten us here, I pray to God this country elects Obama-Biden.
It’s time for Change.
Posted by: cindyct | September 16, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
PHIL GRAMM
thats who has mccain ear on economic matters
thats all you need to know lol to say obama is done… mccains phil grammanomics is done
Posted by: Bhrandon | September 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Don’t mistake truffles for dog food, although the untrained eye does make that error sometimes. Obama is the best mind in the election, the one who has the most aptitude to lead, the best grasp of policy, the steadiest temperament. You can’t get better. The country faces hard days ahead if our economy, our education, and our energy problems are botched. So choose carefully. You wouldn’t want the surgeon that mangled your surgery last time to do more surgery, and you wouldn’t want a surgeon who didn’t do well in school and has worked long but is out of date.
We need and deserve the finest, or we’ll be a poorer and second rate nation. Fortunately, Obama is the very best. Nothing but the best for America.
Posted by: Iris | September 16, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
DH
yes yes… 28 k dinner is highly offensive.. and is only necessary because he didnt take public financing and is not gettign anything from people liek me who are card carrying dnc members so therein lies the problem
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
“28K for a dinner for Obama with that big nose girl? who is out of touch now?? that is more than some people’s salary for a year.”
Yeah I mean last week McCain had Stephen Baldwin at his Hollywood shindig.
STEPHEN BALDWIN!
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
staniam
pathetic…lol
“Pathetic” is the poster who fights for the team that got us here…with no facts or numbers or policies that back that up…
the person who blindly throws out insults at the people who actually have the facts on their side.
same team
same tactic
same outcome
9th year.
we’re done with spin … as a country we have to be.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Yes, of course everyone in the financial world knows how we got here.
Only John McCain doesn’t understand, because McCain doesn’t do economics or finance, he just gazes at his navel while his lobbyist advisors give him the company line.
And McCain obviously has no clue what to do. He obviously has never heard of Credit Default Swaps that brought down Lehman and threaten AIG. McCain’s economic advisor Phil Gramm helped write the bill that deregulated the financial industry and turned Credit Default Swaps into what Warren Buffet has called one of the “financial weapons of mass destruction”. These swaps grew from $900 billion in 2001 to what now is a $50 trillion shadow waiting to collapse on the global financial world. For you numbers people, $50 trillion is 2 times the value of all the listed companies on all U.S. stock markets. Hence this is not a small problem, and something a hockey mom is not likely to be familiar with. If Carly Fiorina says Palin isn’t qualified to run HP, I’ll take her word for it. She certainly isn’t qualified to reform or run our economy.
Of course the Republicans dont want to talk much about this because it was the Republicans controlling Congress from 1994 to 2006 that deregulated the banking and finance industries to the extent that the finance companies ran wild under lax Republican regulation, sprouting the Collateralized Debt Obligations that began defaulting in early 2007 and continue till this day, decimating the mortgage/banking industry.
And now this month the CDO contagion has spread to Credit Default Swaps which, thanks to Phil Gramm’s bill from the Republican controlled congress deregulated the walls separating insurance/banking/securities markets. So now the securities brokerages and insurance companies get drawn into the cesspool of Republican regulatory mismanagement (and banks get whacked again).
So, all you GOP lawmakers – and especially Phil Gramm – please stand up and take a bow for destabilizing the global financial world. Heckuva job!
So what is McCain’s big idea for us to do? He calls for the Washington DC stock answer “LETS FORM A COMMISSION” – talk about naive!
Thanks, but no thanks John McCain!
Posted by: Bud | September 16, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
For those of us that want to get out, work and don’t believe in redistribution of wealth or a socialistic Gov. the economy is only in a slow down Obama want to talk us into a recession Obama claims we’re in at recession he needs to go back and study economic 101 and learn the definition of recession if is really that smart he should know it. It fact go back to Bill Clinton last 6 month in office and you’ll have
Those in Hollywood are really in touch with the real people They are the left they’re not the average American Shara Palin is what is your average American
Joe Biden said today in a speech that Obama was a real smart man He was too smart for the average American to understand
Posted by: Pam | September 16, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
We’re partying like it’s 1929. Wall Street near collapse ….record jobs loses, and it’s just a slow down. I don’t mean tolaugh but HAAAAAAAAAAAA
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
bhrandon
you lost… Mccain is not bushes 3rd term.. hes already conviced the country that he isnt… aand you are in trouble
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Leave it to Obama, all he does is play on people’s emotions. How he thinks taxing the economy more will fix things is beyond me!!!!
Posted by: D'Obama | September 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
We’re partying like it’s 1929. Wall Street near collapse ….record jobs loses, and it’s just a slow down. I don’t mean tolaugh but HAAAAAAAAAAAA
__________________________________________
Hey Linda let me take you down to Alphabet City
N O B A M A
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Concerned IL
thank you… DL and BHrandon are troublemker left wing anti white extemists that need to be dealt with,, not to mention that the undecideds and the workign class people havealready shifted towards mccain.. we dont have room in this country for black liberation theology black panthers etc etc just go to liberia or somethign you are that insignificant!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
staniam
do they have a limit on that library computer
I say that because you can’t be an adult…
our country …our economy is heading down the sh#$%er and you want to avoid massive facts about how we got here and whose policies are the same as what has gotten ushere.
You want to throw spin around and insults…but insults don’t negate the fact that Mccain has the guy who is probably one of the if not THE most reponsible lobbyist for opening the market for predatory lending and oil specualtion and mass feeding and greed coming from these corporations we are now bailing out.
McCain HIRED hime , his “economic guru” to literally write and be the architect for his economic policies and platform.
there is no getting around that Mccain THIS YEAR was still talking about deregulation and like the same team did ignoring things going bad on so many occasions in the past 8 years…
continued up until YESTERDAY ignoring the state of our economy.
throw thes e bums out and stop the insults , lies and spin.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Sarah Palin is “just the an average American” Really….I quess lying about everything is the new norm.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Ryan C
get out… as with the coming election results.. you will be outnumbered and will be forced to hide for 4 yrs
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
“Mccain is not bushes 3rd term.. hes already conviced the country that he isnt”
From Sept 8th poll that had McCain with a big lead over Obama.
But here’s one fact from the poll that might give McCain some pause — the Bush number is largely unchanged.
In this poll, 63% of voters expressed concern that that McCain would pursue policies that are too similar to what George W. Bush has pursued. In the previous survey, conducted from Aug. 30-31, 64% expressed that concern; in the Aug. 21-23 survey, 66% said so.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
“you will be outnumbered and will be forced to hide for 4 yrs”
Oh look someone is showing off their brownshirt.
Did Bund Leader Sean Hannity teach you that, stainam?
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Dl
Im not at the library and frankly it is against the law to copy and paste from a poltical site directly on to a news site trying to make somethign news…looks like you need an FCC investigation of your own…
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.
Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops – and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its “state of weakness and political confusion.”
“However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open.” Zebari says.
Though Obama claims the US presence is “illegal,” he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the “weakened Bush administration,” Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.
While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a “realistic withdrawal date.” They declined.
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Ryan C
no I came up with that myself because you are annoying and it illegal to post Obama propaganda on a news site period!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
staniam
sorry
white guy here…New Hampshire… white guy.
whose family fought at Lexington Concord, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam…and now my nephews fight in the ones we have now.
we are done with the lies and manipulation of the last 8 years…
and we will fight to take our country back from those who want to keep on lying and spinning and covering up…and calling the press liberal…
8 years…we can’t take 12.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Alphabet City? Sorry I don’t watch Sesame Street anymore.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Ryan C. Your 49 days till the election is dwindling. You seriously know that Obama is not going to win. I pray for the sake of your coworkers that they stay home that day or else face certain death.
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
staniam
I haven’t copied a single thing that I didn’t write myself.
duh
see the smart guys are on this side.
but thanks if you think what I write is so smart that an every day “comment” must be copied and pasted.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
“no I came up with that myself because you are annoying and it illegal to post Obama propaganda on a news site period”
To see a right winger in full froth getting his butt kicked up and down the blog. ….these are a few of my favorite things.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Linda it is a Prince Song you southern tailor trash germweed
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
So concerned is stainam your less mature alter ego?
Juts trying to get a handle on how many braindead right wingers there are on this blog.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
stabniam
seriously
all my own thoughts
even the catchy little
same team
same tactics
same outcome
9th year.
all me.
smart people understand that Mccain hires the guy who lobbied for this mess…to write his economic policy
he hired the guy who was the president of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq…to be his Sr. Forweign Policy advisor…the guy who lobbied for us to go into the war.
he hired the guy who wrote the enron loophole.
and the list goes on
smart people realize if he hired all these people to run his campaign and our country…
this road is going to get worse…not better.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Ryan C
But here’s one fact from the poll that might give McCain some pause — the Bush number is largely unchanged.
In this poll, 63% of voters expressed concern that that McCain would pursue policies that are too similar to what George W. Bush has pursued. In the previous survey, conducted from Aug. 30-31, 64% expressed that concern; in the Aug. 21-23 survey, 66% said so.
We arent going to tolerate you using info directly from Obamas campaign site.. that is typical and goes along withhis lobbying ties and the $28 thousand fundraiser
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
DL
youre lying and you know it and we know it because you arent that smart!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Say what you will, you can’t deny that Obama isn’t a man of his word…!
He promised from the outset that, were he to be the Democratic nominee, he would not allow the GOP to do to him what they did to Al Gore and John Kerry: dominate the news cycles, and define him.
Obama also promised that he’d fight back against the lies and sleaze, and he is. The talk is firmly about the economy now, and he’s got McCain back playing defense.
That’s impressive, no matter which way you look at it. Just 72 hours ago, most of you people here declared Obama’s campaign all but dead.
Posted by: Kaj | September 16, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
RyanC
Im not a right winger and I am not using someone elses screen name to post unlike you! I dont need to do that … you are just wrong and need to leave before you are humiliated!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Ryan you have comebacks that are so weak that I feel sorry for you. You just left another board in shame just like your fbuddy Deb. Your posts are truly boring. At least Debs post though stupids are laughable. You have had your butt kicked on this blog by
Concerned in OH
Stanium
Belle Star
Debra
Samantha
USvet
David from Texas
and others.
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
funny staniam is the best and the brightest…lol …no fact just insults
and no staniam
again we don’t have to copy and paste because we actually know the issues…well
but I gotta go
even though it’s been kind of like watching a fish flop around on a dry dock as you spin…facts on who did what and what their policies are…
if you start using those…in your comments
well then you probably would become an Obama supporter.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
concerned is in full meltdown!
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
If Obama loses this election it won’t be a reflection on the democrates.We will have fought hard for our beliefs and our commitment to a better America.This election will be a reflection of what America really stands for and apparently we will have got it wrong. Ater 8 years of lies, 4.000 dead Americans, an economy in the toilet,an insane foreign policy. Well who’d of thought Americans would like being beaten down day after day.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Ryanc C
seriously
it is illegal to use any information whether it is paraphrased or used verbatim from a poltical site to a news site thats a fact
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Can’t blame Obama for hitting McCain on his weakest issue and after such a blatant gaffe as JMac made yesterday. Obama’s campaign is bound to hit on a strategy that undercuts Palin’s celebrity.
Posted by: matt | September 16, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
linda
I thought a carolinian would be smarter than that the war is a non issue now… and frankly people that are lobbying hard fcor obama soley because he may or may not institute a draft in January is crazy… if you are still young enough for a draft and your kids deserve to be drafted period and get no sumpathy from us …its your duty and you will do it!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Hey Obama – if history taught us anything The governemnt needs to step aside and let the economy grow.
Stop the mandates on Companies, stop the pushing of them oversea dems with your mandates
The President has no control over the economy except for one thing which you Obama are against that is lower taxes as needed!!
Obama your buddy Barney Frank and Pelosi have started this slow down!!
Posted by: spock | September 16, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
I’m sure the McCain campaign is trying to manufacture some new controversy to distract America from the economy.
McCain supported the measures that caused the financial mortgage crisis and the meltdown that is currently happening on Wall Street. He is fundamentally a de-regulator – he has said so this week. His economic policy was written by the guy who authored the bill that is being blamed for causing this mess. His campaign is full of lobbyists that support special interests.
How in God’s name can you possibly trust McCain to manage our economy?
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Obama and his Lib cronies create problems – McCain anf the Republicans solve the problems.
Hedge funds started and ran by Liberal Finacier George Soros
Posted by: spock | September 16, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
bottom line again
same team same tactics same outcome
9th year…
and their commenters on here…prove that point…
one candidate and his team got us in this mess
and that team needs to be kicked to the curb as they show us the same economic plan…that got us here.
Posted by: dl (the real one) | September 16, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Concerned
yea I have been dealing with Ryanc and DL since Hillary thoroughly trashed Obama in the PA debate… Obama sounded apathetic even today in his stump speech… he even messed up some words readign the teleprompter! perish the thought.. these people are scared… I havent made my decision yet but these small minded creeps arent going to influence me! they got away with the De, Rules and bylaws savign them in the primaries but in the GE that doesnt apply the constition does and we expect better from a constitutional law professor
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
DL
nobody is listening,…the 4 more yrs of the last 8 yrs thing never had traction and still wont!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
How many people attended the Sara Palin rally the day before?
Posted by: smith | September 16, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Spock
eureka! Soros gave rise to Moveon and moveon gav rise to dailykos which has been spreadign lies
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
I didn’t see anything NEW in Obama’s plan.
He is just a blatant opportunist.
Posted by: golfgirlusa | September 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
And Obama differs from McCain how?
Posted by: drjohn | September 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
The President has no control over the economy? You are kidding right?
The President is the head of the Executive branch of the US Federal Government. That includes such wonderful departments as the Securities and Exchange Commission (the guys who are supposed to regulate), the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (the guys who were supposed to be watching for questionable banking activity) and the Federal Reserve (the guys who can directly control interest rates).
The President has *immense* power when regards to the economy.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
“it is illegal to use any information whether it is paraphrased or used verbatim from a poltical site to a news site thats a fact’
LOL.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Stanium: Worried about the draft? The war is a non-issue? What dream world do you live in. Tell that to the families who have troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan. I lived through the Vietnam war…another foreign policy nightmare.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 16, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
McCain’s running mate left Wasilla $20 million in debt.
McCain not only has proven he doesn’t know much about the economy (Cindy owns their stuff anyway) and he doesn’t know what capitalism is (just today) and he doesn’t understand that deregulation created the Wall Street Wallop that happened yesterday. But he wants it to happen some more.
Posted by: kravitz | September 16, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Why does anyone care what the McCain camp’s response is? I swear, it’s like a Mad-Lib. Totally predictable. I could code up a McCain Response Generator in 20 minutes.
Posted by: Tungsten | September 16, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
I’m not a huge fan of the independent advertising groups. That includes moveon.org on my own side.
Sigh. This is going to be one really nasty election.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
That idiot McBush couldnt find his way out of a soaking wet paper bag much less solve ANY crisis the sheeple are facing. Anyone with a single ounce of common sense KNOWS this so why peopel are still back McBush is beyond me!
Jiff
Posted by: JIffy Lewis | September 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Where is Chris Dodd? Mr. Chairman of the Sneate Banking Committee?????? close adviser to Obama. Didn’t all the ivy league college whizzes work at place like Lehman Brothers?
Posted by: geevill | September 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
geevil
yep.. it is a fac that Obama tried to tell Leahman brothers what they should do last year because he had a vested interest in it seeing that they worked on his campaign…..I guess that the seemingly Obamabots on here today are just depressed stock brokers who got too greedy!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Jiffy
the Mcbush terminology is so last month didnt you get the memo from “O” camp?
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
geevill, I’m pretty sure that the fact that McCain actually voted for the bill that caused this mess, had the author of the bill that caused this mess write his economic platform and has the same principals of deregulation that the Bush Administration does is a larger smoking gun.
The fact is there is *plenty* of regulation on the books. The Bush Administration failed to actually *execute* the laws. The SEC, under Bush, totally dropped the ball.
McCain holds the *exact* same view of regulation that Bush does. He can’t be trusted to fix this problem. That’s like asking a vegetarian to cook a steak.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
JohnTX
thats right… independant groups on both sides need to be erased! moveon is the reason Kerry lost in 04 and Obamas existence depends on these groups… that guy that runs dailykos is the weirdest loking/soundi9gn person in american and prob has a front row seat at the 28 thosand a plat dinner tonight!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
johntx
but Obama and mccain hold the exact same views on the lehman brothers investment banking thing
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Concerned in IL
yea every time I say that Obama is a mirror campaign of Bush in 2000 their eyes roll back in their head… they cant win and wont!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
It’s been asked of all the erudite Obama supporters, but still no answer. For all this talk about deregulation, what specific regulation was removed that caused the current Wall Street problems? What specific regulation should have been imposed to prevent it? And, what would the pro/con analysis be to doing so? Bad regulation doesn’t help either — Obama doesn’t offer specifics because he knows you have to pull people with various perspectives together to fully understand cause/effect and consequences of changes. (Hmm, maybe a committee, or a commission would help).
Posted by: LD | September 16, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
It’s been asked of all the erudite Obama supporters, but still no answer. For all this talk about deregulation, what specific regulation was removed that caused the current Wall Street problems? What specific regulation should have been imposed to prevent it? And, what would the pro/con analysis be to doing so? Bad regulation doesn’t help either — Obama doesn’t offer specifics because he knows you have to pull people with various perspectives together to fully understand cause/effect and consequences of changes. (Hmm, maybe a committee, or a commission would help).
Posted by: LD | September 16, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
staniam, really? Because the Financial Times seems to think differently.
Obama has called for increased regulation and actually executing the laws we have. McCain has complained about golden parachutes which have absolutely nothing to do with this crisis.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
LD
and Obama would have to fire half of his campaign staff if that were true
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
johntx
a well known wall st journal reporter said they were one and the same plans
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Bush’s big regulatory proposal that right wingers are crowing about.
The administration’s proposal, which was endorsed in large part today by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would not repeal the significant government subsidies granted to the two companies. And it does not alter the implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they run into financial difficulty; that perception enables them to issue debt at significantly lower rates than their competitors. Nor would it remove the companies’ exemptions from taxes and antifraud provisions of federal securities laws.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Obama leaves out of course that McCain is right. 100% Correct. 95% of working Americans are employed, 90% of Americans pay their mortgatges on time, and GDP is solid. Banks and the economy are not the same thing, neither is the Dow Jones and the economy the same thing. McCain is right. The fundamentals of the economy are sound. One could argue that getting rid of institutions that leant money for nothing, on nothing, to people who could pay nothing is a good thing for the US economy.
Posted by: s.b. | September 16, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Yeah, I was using vegan cooking a steak, but I was worried most republicans didn’t know what a vegan was.
Ooo, I admitted a mistake. Heck, I’ll even go as far as say I don’t agree with all of Obama’s policies. Omg. I am such an Obamabot!
I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative and I believe McCain’s fiscal policies would be detrimental to the US economy. I think he doesn’t understand economics to point where he can’t even identify and hire good economists.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
“Obama has called for increased regulation and actually executing the laws we have. McCain has complained about golden parachutes which have absolutely nothing to do with this crisis.”?
ABC News’ Lisa Chinn and Jennifer Parker report: Republican ticket mates John McCain and Sarah Palin Monday blasted corporate executives who leave their company with a “golden parachute” and pledged to “stop multimillion dollar payouts” to CEOs, seeming to forget their own top economic adviser Carly Fiorina walked away with $45 million, including a $21.4 million severance package when she was dismissed by Hewlett Packard in 2005.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Linda n carolina
Iraqw isnt and nevr was vietnam… its the militarys own fault that we were using vietnam era equipment in it
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
What has the Rep’s been saying all the time in the past 25 years. To many over sights on Business (bad for business). Well what has the American people gotten for the Rep ideology of NO over sight. Food, Water and Toys being poisoned. Bridges falling down and killing people. Now we have a Global falling economy.
Rep’s need to take accountable for the mess they have made. McCain know this, why do you think he changed it to help the people. But lets look at his voting record, not one Bill that he wrote or supported helps the middle class. But his recond shows that he sure does love Big business and people with money. Rep party, big Business and lobbyists go hand and hand and it isn’t for the middle class people.
Posted by: Mrs Ethel | September 16, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Well said, JohnTX.
Posted by: PJ | September 16, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
“The President has no control over the economy? You are kidding right?
The President is the head of the Executive branch of the US Federal Government. That includes such wonderful departments as the Securities and Exchange Commission (the guys who are supposed to regulate), the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (the guys who were supposed to be watching for questionable banking activity) and the Federal Reserve (the guys who can directly control interest rates).”
The President has *immense* power when regards to the economy.
——————————
Sorry, John. The Federal Reserve is an INDEPENDENT entity, with no reporting relationship to the Predsident or anyone else.
It’s OK. Nobama probably also thinks the Federal Reserve reports to the POTUS.
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
A couple of observations:
1. If Obama had a plan in March 2007 (his six points), why didn’t he execute it? I thought he was all about reaching across the aisle to get things done?
2. How is it that some of the biggest defenders of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac also received the largest contributions?
All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008:
Dodd, Christopher (D-CT) $165,400
Obama, Barack (D-IL) $126,349*
Kerry, John (D-MA) $111,000
* Accumulated 2005-present (highest annual receipts of anyone on list)
John McCain:
McCain, John S (R-AZ) $21,550
I smell some hypocrisy here…
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Jake,
Here is something that will go very well into your post “Cracking the Palin code”. She claimed that Alaska supplies 20% of the US domestic oil and gas. The story got 4 Pinocchio on WashPost, but like the Bridge to Nowhere, she is still pedaling it. A pattern seems to be emerging indeed.
Posted by: Lance D. | September 16, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Is it really true that some of Obama’s staff was working for Fannie just a few years ago? No way! And that they made millions there? I just cant believe that. He says he is for change, and I believe him, and that’s why he is the man for the job. We need change.
Posted by: Keepyourheelsdown | September 16, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
“The Federal Reserve is an INDEPENDENT entity, with no reporting relationship to the Predsident or anyone else.”
The President appoints the board hence the President has a direct influence over that board.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
- If you have terrorist friends
- If your pastor is a radical racist who hates white people and think America is damned
- If you´re associate with criminals sentenced to prison
- If you think the solution to the crisis is just to rise taxes
- If you think millionaire Hollywood stars represent the American middle-class
- If you think Joe Biden represents ´real change´
- If you want our safety to be threatened by Russia, North Korea, Iran, etc
- If you want a celebrity or a demagogue in the White House
- If you are a community organizer with no executive experience at all
then obviously your candidate is Barack Obama
Posted by: Stephen from Indiana | September 16, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
tjp8, the Federal Reserve Board chairman is appointed by the President of the United States.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Everyone with employer paid health benefits needs to be aware of McCain’s radical new approach that will result in millions more becoming uninsured.
Here are the key facts: McCain’s plan bacically sets in motion the dismantling of employer-based coverage that protects most American families. A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia, Harvard, Purdue and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have employment-based health insurance would lose it under the McCain plan. His plan calls for TAXING those benefits like wages. Your employer is going to have to make an estimate on how much the employer is paying for health insurance on your behalf, and you are going to have to pay taxes on that money.
For people who make $500,000 a year, that’s probably no big deal. But for me, a hard working mom & part of the disappearing middle class struggling to hold onto my home, those benefits represent a big chunk and the tax increase will bury me. I will have the wonderful choice of: a) losing my insurance; b) losing my home or c) losing my job (to someone younger & without a family who doesn’t care about insurance), my home AND my insurance.
This isn’t socialism and it isn’t a free lunch. I work hard for my salary and my benefits. I just need government to stay out. But McCain has to pay for his neverending wars… so who cares about working families. I’m begging you people who treat this like a sport – this is real. People like me will suffer. McCain’s plan will devastate us all.
Posted by: Kate Mom of Twins | September 16, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
And actually, I will say that the Fed has been doing a reasonable job.
The SEC on the other hand has been doing a miserable job.
This financial crisis on Wall Street has as much to do with Bush’s anti-regulation policies as it has to do with the bill that allowed Commercial Banks to get into the investment world – a bill McCain supported and authored by the guy who wrote McCain’s economic policy.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
“If Obama had a plan in March 2007 (his six points), why didn’t he execute it? I thought he was all about reaching across the aisle to get things done?”
Obama power to put his plans into action are limted as Senator vs as President.
Much like John McCain claiming he knew how to capture Osama Bin Laden. Oh wait. If McCain knows how to do that why isn’t he telling anybody?
I mean Obama published his plan for reform of the markets and gave a major speech on it months ago.
Why does McCain have a secret plan for getting Osama Bin Laden?
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
TJP
Obama really isnt control of his machine. Chris Matthews just asked “where is Obamas passion?” which is the truth the guy acts liek his fate is independant over everyone else… put that in your pot pipe and smoke it DL!
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Keep Indiana Red Stephen. 49 days to go before we send the Senator packing to Illinois. Get the homecoming Party ready Rezko and I am sure Ayers will provide the Fireworks. Barry is coming home to stay for good.
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
McCain says the fundamentals of the economy are the American worker.
By that measure, the fundamentals of the economy were strong during the Great Depression.
Seriously. This guy does *not* understand economics. Palin got a D in macroeconomics, so we’ve got no help there. McCain’s advisers wrote the bill that caused the financial crisis.
Even Greenspan, a McCain supporter, says McCain’s economic plan isn’t sensible.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Let’s dismantle the special privileges that employers/employees get regarding medical insurance. Too bad Mac’s plan doesnt do so. At least it gives self-employed ppl a more even playing field. Ask not what your country….
Posted by: Keepyourheelsdown | September 16, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Concerned
yea Obama became a US senator soley to run for president! People can say that he has accomplishments in the senate but its not without help
Posted by: staniam | September 16, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
tjp8, you don’t have to wonder. That bill never even made it to debate let alone a vote.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
This election has brought out the absolute worst in this country. To some McCain and Palin can do no wrong even though the evidence says otherwise. This country, founded over 200 years ago only afforded black Americans the right to vote when Obama was 4 years old (1965). That is paramount in understanding what this campaign is faced with.
Posted by: Roschelle | September 16, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Sorry, John. You implied the Federal Reserve is part of the Executive Branch (not true). By your logic (and at least one other post) the Supreme Court is part of the the Legistative Branch since Congress approves of appointees (or you could argue the Executive Branch since the President nominates judges for consideration by Congress)
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Obama: He is good at running for offices other than the one he just won. Ask Illinois. They are used to it.
Posted by: Concerned in IL | September 16, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Let’s take a look at what S.190 does
1/26/2005–Introduced.
Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 – Amends the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 to establish:
(1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and
(2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.
Sets forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions of the Agency, including provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting.
Amends the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to establish the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation. Transfers the functions of the Office of Finance of the Federal Home Loan Banks to such Corporation.
Excludes the Federal Home Loan Banks from certain securities reporting requirements.
Abolishes the Federal Housing Finance Board.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Obama’s plan for EVERYTHING is more spending.
Does anyone take this guy seriously any more????
Posted by: JA | September 16, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
As someone in finance, this is the DUMBEST proposal I have ever heard:
“cracking down on trading activity that constitutes market manipulation”
Does Barack Obama get it that you can’t determine what is “legitimate trading activity” from “market manipulation”????
BARACK OBAMA KNOWS ZILCH ABOUT FINANCE.
Posted by: JA | September 16, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
I’ve noticed a parallel in the last two weeks to earlier in the Democratic primaries when, after Obama blew in as a “surprise” candidate, Hillary Clinton started to gain momentum again – she would look to issues, he would look to her and attack in any way he could. Now, Hillary’s gone so he’s after McCain and Palin. Instead of offering solutions of how he could try to bring people together, he grows more divisive by the day – it’s ALL the Republicans’ fault (let’s just ignore the fact the Democrats have had control of Congress for two years), if you disagree with him or question him, you just don’t want a black man for president, he’s the only REAL change candidate. Give me a break. This man will attack, intimidate, lie and do anything else he can (look at how he’s blamed his own staff for his “mistakes” over and over again) so he can become president. He doesn’t care about us; he cares about him. If you choose to vote for him and he is elected, let’s just see how long he is grateful for your support – and God help those of us who didn’t support him.
Posted by: traci | September 16, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
“Does Barack Obama get it that you can’t determine what is “legitimate trading activity” from “market manipulation”???”
This is what the SEC does, genius.
Its how you nail insider trading.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
According to a new survey of 523 economists who are U.S. citizens and members of the American Economic Association, 66% support Obama, 28% support McCain and 6% want someone else.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Ryan – Your point?
I’ll give Obama the benefit of the doubt regarding being able to understand and execute financial policy when I see some evidence…perhaps he could trot out his experience as Board Chair of the Annenberg Challenge where he presided over millions of $$$ spent during his several years of tenure.
Or, perhaps he balanced the local ACORN checkbook during his days as a community organizer?
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
I don’t have a lot of time to write this because I’ve been spending all of my time looking for a job the last four months and am still somewhat desperately trying to do so. My eleven year old daughter depends on it. I’m not one of the people who are even counted in the 600,000+ people who’ve lost their jobs in the last nine months in this country as I am a consultant…a profession I took up after I was laid off after 23 years at the sam e company. I didn’t withstand the last round of downsizing. I will tell you that jobs are very hard to come by, even in the Information Technology profession right now, especially if you are a female over a certain age. But I will persevere. I don’t believe in ceilings either.
In the meantime, given that I am spending less time in an office right now, I’ve spent more time observing radio, TV, and the internet. I am incredulous that Americans are falling once again for being manipulated by emotional pleas rather than going by the facts in choosing someone to sit in the Oval Office.
Yesterday, as my 401k fell another few percentage points to hit a 20% drop in the last year, I heard John McCain say the the American economy is basically sound. John McCain and his super-wealthy friends and lobbyist advisors may think the economy is sound, but the proof is not out there for most Americans. Does Mr. McCain think we are going to continue to buy whatever he tells us as the truth? We have gone down that road twice with Republican ads and manipulations during the last eight years. I hope that we have learned something.
Even my 84-year-old mother who has never voted for a Democrat ever in her life is going to vote for Barack Obama. She started to be swayed by McCain’s choie of Sarah Palin until she found out how thin Ms. Palin’s qualifications were and how much she twisted the truth. The Republican Party has become seriously out of touch given the take-over by people in major corporations who just want more and more and more money for their pockets…”
Posted by: David Seejazer | September 16, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Obama an African American went to the senate just to run for president when he is the third to ever make it to the US Senate. Really?
Fact: Obama was asked to run for president by powerful senators. Because he has sound judgment.
And McCain? People think Bush could be a better president than him. Enough said.
Posted by: krista | September 16, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Ryan,
Is that all you got?
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
I have an idea. Let’s put Palin in charge of AIG. After all, as an outsider, she’ll surely be able to turn the whole thing around!
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
I got plenty tjp
The general co-chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today’s economic turmoil.
“A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change because the nature of business had changed,” the Illinois senator running for president said in a New York economic speech. “But by the time [it] was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework.”
Gramm’s role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation’s investment houses and practices didn’t stop there.
A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm.
Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.
During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages.
For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more than $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
BTW – For all those on the “Hope Train” (you know, the rhetoric about doom and gloom about how bad things are in the U.S., how current economic situation is “the worst since the Great Depression”, and how “The One” will save us), the Dow was UP 141 points today.
Socialism and Big Government is not the answer.
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
tjb8, the DOW was up today because they believe AIG is going to receive a bailout by “big government”.
Maybe you should consider altering your statement.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
John McCain wants to bring his brand of deregulation to Health Care too.
Today’s issue: health insurance. John McCain wants to tax your employer-provided health care benefits. He wants to replace those benefits with an insufficient tax credit–$2500 for individuals and $5000 for families (the average cost per family for health insurance is $12000).
There is a positive, progressive tax aspect to this: wealthier people should have to pay for health insurance themselves, without tax breaks from the federal government.
But make no mistake: this plan will do little or nothing for those who do not have insurance now–unless they are young and healthy–and it may well hurt a fair number of workers, especially unionized workers, who get gold-plated benefits from their employers.
It will certainly do nothing for families with members who have pre-existing conditions or children with special needs–because it makes no provision to regulate the insurers, forcing them to cover all comers at “community” rates that don’t discriminate against the people who need health insurance most.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Let’s face the facts here. Deregulation caused this mess. The Republican’s platform is based on deregulation. John McCain has said over and over over the past 26 years that he is against regulation.
And you want to put this person in charge of implementing regulation that is so obviously necessary to keep financial companies from committing wholesale fraud?
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
“the Dow was UP 141 points today.”
Classic right wing amnesia.
Forget about the 500 point drop yesterday, look at the 141 point bargain hunting going on today!
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Ryan,
Hmm…I think you can do better.
Point #1: Barack Obama makes alot of “claims”
Point #2: While you are fixated on Phil Gramm (I suppose he was the focus of talking points you received in today’s Obama-Gram (nice pun!) – Nice break from Sarah Palin obsession), it is still not clear to me how Gramm is to blame for Freddie Mac, Freddie Mae, Lehman, 400+ slide in market, etc. Are you telling me that Gramm is responsible for allowing people with poor judgement to enter into mortgages which they could not pay? Is he accountable for their bad decisions? If so, then we perhaps we can begin a dialogue.
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Palin said in one of her latest stump speeches that corporate CEO pay was too high.
So no taxes but there will be mandated levels on pay? How is that capitalist?
Are athletes making too much money? Are doctors making too much money? Are government workers making too much money?
What are the relative pay levels that McCain-Palin will mandate?
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | September 16, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
After a see-saw session, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA – 11,059.02) caught a late-day boost from Bloomberg’s afternoon report that the Federal Reserve may offer a loan package to AIG. The Dow added 142 points, or 1.3%, and reclaimed the 11,000 level in the process.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
I didn’t know that:
If you’re a family that owns one house, bankruptcy judges are actually barred from helping you keep a roof over your head by writing down the value of your mortgage,” Obama said. ‘If you own seven homes, the judge is free to write down any or all of the debt on your second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh homes. Now that may be of comfort to Senator McCain, but that’s the kind of out-of-touch Washington loophole that makes no sense.”
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | September 16, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
“Palin said in one of her latest stump speeches that corporate CEO pay was too high.
So no taxes but there will be mandated levels on pay? How is that capitalist?”
Its not. An income cap is communist.
That’s what happens when you try to appeal to an audience using emotional buttons vs knowing what you are talking about.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
All you need to know about Obama economics: Obamas Economic Advisor; Frank Raines,(Fannie Mae) who earned about 98 million between 1998 and 2004, overestimated earnings which led to 40% of earnings loss from Fannie Mae between 2001 and 2004, earns a 114,000 per month severence package from Fannie Mae.
Posted by: david | September 16, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
The whole CEO pay thing is an easy target.Odd that Republicans of all people should focus on it.
CEO pay reflects how difficult it is to find a good CEO. They just aren’t that common and it costs a fortune to find them and hire them.
No one is going to cap pay on CEOs. No one is going to limit the ability for CEOs to negotiate golden parachutes. That’s insane. You’re talking about limiting employment contracts for private companies for goodness sakes.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
“Are you telling me that Gramm is responsible for allowing people with poor judgement to enter into mortgages which they could not pay? Is he accountable for their bad decisions”
Gramm fought against any regulation of predatory lending.
By allowing these companies free rein to charge whatever interest rate to whatever creditor created an environment of loans sure to fail.
Especially in a tight economy where people are losing their jobs and relied on credit to make ends meet.
Are people responsible for their own loans?
Certainly but Gramm’s deregulation efforts fostered the environment we see the fruition of.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
CARLY FIORINA (McCain economic advisor)
“I don’t think John McCain can run a major corporation.”
If McCain’s own economic advisor doesn’t have faith in him should the American people?
Vote OBAMA.
Posted by: VoteObama | September 16, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
What better way for Obama to prove how well he connects with the average American
than to go spend the evening with his rich hollywood friends.
And in the midst of a financial crisis when he calls mcCain out of touch–BO’s friends fork over $28,000 each just to spend time with The One.
Guess they will be laughing at us poor bitter small town hicks.
Posted by: cindy in nc | September 16, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
“And in the midst of a financial crisis when he calls mcCain out of touch–BO’s friends fork over $28,000 each just to spend time with The One.”
McCain just held a $70K a plate dinner in Hollywood with the STEPHEN BALDWIN!
“Guess they will be laughing at us poor bitter small town hicks.”
The McCain campaign sure is. Every time you gullibly accept their lies.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Obama is a socialist?
This is the dumbest statement i have heard anybody make about Obama especially when he is running on the ticket of a major party.
Posted by: krista | September 16, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Austan Goolsbee (Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business) is Obama’s economic adviser.
I don’t think Frank Raines works for Obama and trying to tie Obama to Fannie Mae seems like a smear.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Odd that Republicans of all people should focus on it.
John Tx.
To me it is a bit different when fanne and freddie are being bailed out by tax payers, not shareholders or that ceo’s of companies are elected by a board not selected by a President of like jersey.
Posted by: david | September 16, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
I will say that McCain understands technology though – he did invent the Blackberry after all.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Commission’s a grand idea! Let’s put
McCain’s “economic brain” Phil Gramm in charge!
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | September 16, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
One would think that John McCain’s years as a POW would have psychologically damaged him. However, looking at this campaign it would appear that his loss to George W. Bush in 2000 is what REALLY sent him over the edge. Poor John, after he loses this campaign he is going to become just another old bitter man rocking on his 5/7/10/? front porches.
Posted by: DMR | September 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
I wonder if Michelle will be looking down on us common folk tomorrow after he $30,500 dinner and concert? This really is a mean country where people are starving and the Obama’s are having a lavish party with Hollywood.
Posted by: Gretchen | September 16, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
JohnTX,
Remember Jim Johnson? He was originally part of Obama’s VP search team. He was ex-Fannie exec who walked off with millions. Frank Raines is a contributor and advisor to The One.
Ryan,
I did not know Gramm had such authority back when he was in Congress. Apparently he was very powerful.
Krista,
My mistake for calling Obama a socialist. He just believes that income re-distribution is “neighborly” (as stated in interview with Bill O’Reilly)
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
I don’t think Frank Raines works for Obama and trying to tie Obama to Fannie Mae seems like a smear.
Posted by: david | September 16, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Why do Republicans keep referring to Obama as The Messiah and The One? Don’t you realize that’s blasphemy?
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
“Frank Raines is a contributor and advisor to The One”
Raines gave Obama $1K in 2004, big whoop.
The 2nd part comes from this
In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae’s chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself. He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case’s D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health-care companies and more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.
As always right wingers lie
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Senaters Dodd and Obama were the recepients of the largest campaign contributions from “Fannie and Freddie”. I quess that explains Frank Raines position as advisor to the Obama campaign. They were graced as the two largest recepients of contributions from Lehman Brothers. Now maybe I am being cynical but I agree that there needs to be an investigation into the dealings between Wall Street and congress. I’m sure none of the network news orgs will look into these ties or report them, but at least you brought it up jpt.
Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
“I did not know Gramm had such authority back when he was in Congress. Apparently he was very powerful.”
Oh it wasn’t just Gramm.
Deregulation is the bedrock of Republican economic policy.
Now we reap what they have sown.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
To BHO’s 6-point economic plan (he really memorized them well!), I say “Duh?!” These are all elementary! But just wondering how he is going to pay for Health care, etc. “Read my lips: No new taxes” sound familiar? He is the most tax and spend Liberal there is! Or is he a liar afterall! lol!
Posted by: Beckie | September 16, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Uh. The Read My Lips guy actually did raise taxes when he realized that it was the only sane thing to do.
McCain is simply divorced from reality.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
johnTX, Don’t you remember “THE day when the seas began to recede and earth began to heal”?
How about “when a light would shine from the heavens and a voice would call out to you to vote Obama?”
How about when HE said he would bring God’s kingdom here to earth?
Posted by: Davei n lv | September 16, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Davei n lv, never mind when he said those statements, he was mocking the Republicans for blaspheming by calling him The Messiah.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
John McCain invented the Blackberry.
I wonder why he isn’t running on that platform.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Barrack Obama…Wall Street’s community organizer!
Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
“But just wondering how he is going to pay for Health care, etc.”
Through a variety of cost saving measures such as record modernization(a few things McCain supports as well) coupled with revenue from tax increases on the wealthy and us no longer fighting in Iraq.
Plan has a projected cost of $60B a year.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Biden hired a lobbyist to advise him on his senate run. I could have saved him time and money. If you need a job – run for the senate.
Posted by: Carl | September 16, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Ryan, Frank Raines walked away with OVER 100 MILLION DOLLARS. With that much money I could imagine a person who improves his golf game and has people calling him to be “friend”.
Wasn’t he APPOINTED by Clinton to head Fannie Mae?
Posted by: Davei n lv | September 16, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
John, HE made those statements BEFORE Reps started calling him the Messiah.
His ego knows no bounds.
Posted by: Davei n lv | September 16, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Is it Possible:
WE ARE FACING A TRICKLE UP AFFECT.
NO MIDDLE CLASS MONEY, NO UPPER CLASS WEALTH
NO JOBS FOR THE BOTTOM OF THE ECONOMY WILL NOT SUPPORT THE TOP OF THE ECONOMY
TRICKLE UP AFFECT is real
TRICLE DOWN AFFECT FAILED.
Posted by: Underdog | September 16, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
JOHN MCCAIN during the banking and housing crisis:
“The fundamentals of the economy are strong.”
HERBERT HOOVER during the Great Depression:
“The economy is fundamentally sound.”
McCain just doesn’t get it. Vote Obama.
Posted by: VoteObama | September 16, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
FROM REAGAN TO BUSH I AND BUSH II
TRICKLE DOWN AFFECT DOES NOT WORK:
LOBBY THAT.
FOOLS ON WALLSTREET
Posted by: Underdog | September 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Yes, let’s pay attention to Frank Raines who has little to do with Obama and ignore Phil Gramm who wrote McCain’s economic policy.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Ryan,
You and “The One” have some things in common – I can see why you are such an ardent supporter:
- Both of you believe “right-wingers” and Republicans “lie” (let’s not let facts get in the way)
- Both of you agree the Republicans are responsible for everything that is “wrong”
Granted, I’ll admit that McCain-Palin ticket have not always been above board in stating “the truth”, but I don’t always blindly believe that anything a Democrat (or even The One) is a lie.
John, referring to Barack as “The One” is not blasphemous (I did not refer to him as “The Messiah”). But he (Obama) does give the appearance within some speeches that he is seeking to be a “savior” for us and he is uniquely qualify to lead us from the “famine and pestilence” picture he likes to paint of America.
Posted by: tjp8 | September 16, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
The whole trickle down effect was ridiculous to being with. I’ve started three companies and sold two. You look to cut costs wherever you can. You do not squander money.
The rich become rich by squeezing money out of everyone else.
The idea that they are loose with their money and it just falls to the poor is ignoring how they became rich in the first place. The only rich people who squander money are trustfund babies and a few guys like Gates who have decided to give away their entire fortunes. By and large though, they are tight with their money.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Johntx,
Wow! So you will be dancing in the street should BHO raise your taxes! Way to go, John – I guess you are another tax and spend Liberal! Spoken like a true elitist who has lotsa money!
Posted by: Beckie | September 16, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Yes Johntx..lets look at Gramm, by the way he was almost at the bottom of the list of politician recieving contributions from Fannie and Freddie along with McCain. Its not hard to see who has more influence on Wall Street just check who is getting paid! Dodd, Obama, Kerry are you listening?
Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Beckie, I wouldn’t mind my taxes going back to what they were during the Clinton-era. I am far more worried about finding employees because our education system is so poor and our colleges are full of foreigners who are going back to their own countries rather than staying here.
I have the long term view. We go in cycles. We tax for 8 years and then we get a Republican in and drop taxes and eventually we get another democrat in and we raise taxes.
Taking a hit on my own checkbook for the next 8 years is nothing compared to taking a hit for the next 16 years because our economy goes into the tank.
Am I a tax and spend liberal? I personally prefer taxing and spending to not taxing and still spending. Even Greenspan says that McCain’s economic plan doesn’t hold water.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
re: Post by: krista | Sep 16, 2008 6:31:16 PM
Obama is a socialist?
This is the dumbest statement i have heard anybody make about Obama especially when he is running on the ticket of a major party.
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Obama has said several times his major goal is income redistribution, not only in the US but throughout the world.
1. When asked if an increase capital gains tax rates would REDUCE the amount of revenue to the federal government would he be for it? He replied yes, it was a question of “fairness”.
2. One of the few bills he wrote as a US Senator was a REQUIREMENT the US will reduce poverty by 25% THROUGHOUT the world within 5 years.
3. Numerous new programs which have the effect of taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor.
That is, unless it’s HIS money. He gave little money for charity until he began his run for President. Although he gave several speeches how “we” should contribute money for Katrina relief efforts, his tax records showed he didn’t give a dime of his own money for Katrina victims.
Posted by: Davei n lv | September 16, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
johnTX , Please note that while Bush cut the tax rates, the amount of revenue this generated was 20% higher than under Clinton’s best year.
The Bush tax cuts also eliminated the poorest 10 million people from having to pay any tax.
Therefore eliminating the Bush tax cuts would mean you want to increase taxes on our poorest people.
Posted by: Davei n lv | September 16, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
JohnTx,
I do admire you for your views – and the willingness to pay the price. But I just don’t trust BHO to bring the changes you want. Hillary I trusted, but that is history…
Don’t even mention Greenspan – he is the one most responsible for the housing bubble. That is why he is no longer for McCain – the Dems won’t blame him if he is one of them! He is hiding behind their skirts!
Posted by: Beckie | September 16, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
And just so you guys know, Obama would raise my taxes. I am part of the 5% that he would raise taxes on.
And you know what? The only people in my bracket who complain about tax increases are ones who are overextended, hold a short term view of the economy and/or are greedy.
I worry about finding educated employees. If an extra $50,000 from me can bring me just a few more educated employees, then I’m more than willing to pay it. If it means the price for healthcare for employees goes down, then by all means take my money (do you have any idea how much healthcare costs a company?).
I’m a fiscal conservative. I have a hard time voting for a Democrat, but McCain’s economic platform is disastrous. The man simply does not understand economics. Not only that, but the Republicans have taken the idea of deregulation, which I support for many things, to such an extreme that it has become an ideology. Deregulating telecom? Awesome. Deregulating banks? Are you freaking kidding me?
The GOP likes to pretend that taxes kill jobs. The truth is that California, which has some of the highest taxes in the nation, is also the powerhouse of our nation. The same is true of New York. Excess taxes are a problem, but Obama is not talking about some radical tax plan. His tax increases basically bring us back to Clinton-era levels.
Obama/Biden ’08
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
re Posted by: johnTX | Sep 16, 2008 7:13:45 PM
The rich become rich by squeezing money out of everyone else.
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The economy is not a zero sum game. A growth of the economy helps more people than a government handout program.
Posted by: Davei n lv | September 16, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Davei n lv, of course the economy is not a zero sum game. We all create value. And of course government handouts aren’t the be all and end all.
However, the idea that government never creates value is ridiculous. Government grants have created or helped create most of our major industries. Without our education system, we’d be a third world nation. So don’t imply that the government can only hurt the economy. It just isn’t true.
Posted by: johnTX | September 16, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Republicans,
Please raise your right hand and repeat after me.
I [state your name] do solemnly swear that I have been wrong about the role government regulation should play in our markets. I hereby acknowledge that unfettered laissez faire economics places the health, safety, and well-being of our citizens at too great of a risk to be allowed. From lead contaminated toys to tainted medicine to an unsafe food supply to the current Wall Street Meltdown, it is now clear to to me that that my beliefs were foolish. While I still support the streamlining of government regulation, I now recognize that government regulation is necessary for the protection of our citizens and of our economy from stupidity, greed, and corruption. I apologize to my fellow citizens for my support of the disasterous policies that have wreaked havoc on our nation. In an effort to make amends for screwing the pooch on this one with my foolish thinking, I will abstain from voting in November’s election. It has become obvious to me that my judgment is lacking.
Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | September 16, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
That’s right JohnTX. And the bottom-up approach that Obama favors actually helps small and local businesses because it helps people like me (middle class, hardworking, family, mom) spend money at local businesses. Under the current system, I can’t afford to spend on anything. And ABC keeps censoring my reference to the NY times article by Bob Herbert. But people NEED to look it up and really see what this means to the average family – hardworking family and not one that relies on handouts). McCain’s tax plan will send millions onto the uninsured rolls. Beckie, do you get employer paid benefits – do you even know how much more in taxes you will be paying? Do you have a family that depends on that? I do. I know what those benefits cost and I know the taxes on it will bury me. The credit McCain proposes ($5000 per family for insurance – are you KIDDING ME?) won’t go an inch to providing that to my family. So, maybe I’ll take the family to Ireland (my husband is from there so we can get European citizenship) and actually survive. And people like JohnTX will lose more qualified workers
Posted by: Kate Mom of Twins | September 16, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
Solutions people!! These candidates just talks about what happend, the past how about talking about WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE TWO GOING TOOOOOOO DO!!
Posted by: Don | September 16, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
NEWS FLASH:
AMERICAN TAXPAYERS WILL BAIL OUT AIG:
TRICKLE UP AFFECT:
85 BILLION TO AIG, PAID WITH AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS.
WHEN WILL THE TRICKLE DOWN AFFECT GET TO WORKING PEOPLE.
ASK THE REPUBLICANS.
TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH
IF A PLANT HAD A SYSTEM THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW WATER TO GET TO ITS ROOTS, IT WOULD DIE
Posted by: Underdog | September 16, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
TRICKLE UP AFFECT:
IF THE BOTTOM DOES NOT GET WORK, THE TOP RICH WILL NOT SURVIVE.
AIG, AND OTHERS, BAIL OUT.
Posted by: Underdog | September 16, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
“Please note that while Bush cut the tax rates, the amount of revenue this generated was 20% higher than under Clinton’s best year.”
Yes if you don’t count for inflation and a declining value of the dollar. If you do, we just hit 2000′s revenue level in 2007.
“The Bush tax cuts also eliminated the poorest 10 million people from having to pay any tax.
Therefore eliminating the Bush tax cuts would mean you want to increase taxes on our poorest people.”
Except the only Bush Tax cut Obama is for repealing in the one for the highest income tax bracket.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Obama attacks?
Right?
While he rubs elbows with the stars for mega bucks?
Specifically, Obama dines with Barbara Streisand at a reception and dinner costing $28,500 a person followed by a later event featuring Streisand at $2,500 a ticket.
So, how many of the “working class” folk Obama purports to represent can afford $28.50 for dinner, let alone $28,500?
The extravagant fundraiser comes as a slap in the face to American workers, on a day when the crisis in the U.S. economy remained an urgent issue for many Americans.
It also prompted a deserved response from John McCain.
“He (Obama) talks about siding with the people — siding with the people — just before he flew off the Hollywood for a fundraiser with Barbra Streisand and his celebrity friends,” McCain said at a rally in Vienna, Ohio. “Let me tell you, my friends: There’s no place I would rather be than here with the working men and woman of Ohio.”
Streisand originally backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton but flip-flopped to Obama when he emerged as the Democratic presidential nominee.
Change We Need?
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 16, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
“So, how many of the “working class” folk Obama purports to represent can afford $28.50 for dinner, let alone $28,500?”
Hmmmm what did McCain do last night when the Dow dropped 500 points….
McCain plans to end the day at a private fundraiser at the Intercontinental Hotel in Miami. Donors will pay as much as $50,000 to have dinner with the Arizona senator.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 16, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Don – read my post, look up the article on the NY Times about McCain’s radical approach to health plans. That is something he is planning to “DO” and it is disastrous – a gift to multi-BILLION dollar insurance companies. What Obama will do? He will cut our middle class taxes by 5%, putting more money into the pockets of people to spend and stimulate the economy, WITHOUT taxing my benefits. He will regulate industries like banking and energy that need it. Responsible regulation that protects investments and the middle class whose retirements are at stake. McCain’s economic policies were written by Phil Gramm – who drafted the legislation to DEregulate the banking and mortgage industries (in addition to the energy industries like Enron which led to THAT disaster and others like it).
Posted by: Kate Mom of Twins | September 16, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
The United States House Committee on Financial Services (or House Banking Committee) oversees the entire financial services industry, including the securities, insurance, banking, and housing industries. The Committee also oversees the work of the Federal Reserve, the United States Department of the Treasury, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, and other financial services regulators. It is chaired by Barney Frank (D-MA).
Posted by: Ed | September 16, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
What!
I came here hoping to see well reasoned arguments as to why a appointing commission is the correct and proper thing to do in these trying times.
So disappointed.
I’ll go check out that Obama guys site, sounds like he has some ideas.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 17, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
McCain economics = Phil Gramm economics
The fundamentals of the economy are
strong.
There is no crisis on Wall Street.
We are not in an economic downturn.
It is all in your hesd.
The economy is not in a depression.
We are in a “mental depression”.
SOLUTION:
Stop being a nation of whiners.
Posted by: anon | September 17, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
Penny Pritzker, Obama’s national finance chair was, with her family, the half owner of Superior Bank, which was shut down in 2001 by the FDIC after it had lost nearly all of its more than $2 billion of assets on bad loans to high-risk borrowers, federal regulators said.
Pritzker has avoided media attention over the past week as reporters covering the Obama campaign sought comment on the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debacle.
Pritzker also served as finance chair for Obama’s Senate run, and supported him during his time in the Illinois state legislature.
Posted by: lucu | September 17, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
Just because Obama wants to increase taxes on the wealthy and give the middle and lower income a cut and some credits does NOT make a socialist government. Nor will the US become a socialist country.
For now, so that the plenty of people who are losing their houses or struggling to pay their bills, the tax returns they get are a lifeline to allow them to crawl out of the huge hole the disastrous economic policies of Bush and overspending on the Iraq war that is now going into the trillions dug them into.
Once the economy stabilises, of course then policies can be readjusted. A socialist country means having the state own all the companies and whatnot. I don’t see that happening.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 17, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am
For your information, Obama has pushed through and sponsored plenty of ethics reform bills that aim to cut wasteful spending. You can look it up. He has also supported bills to protect women from domestic abuse.
No one is saying that YOU are clinging to guns and religion and are bitter. Yes, that was something Obama shouldn’t have said. He has apologised for that remark, at least. However, McCain isn’t exactly not guilty of any mudslinging or whatnot either.
Don’t forget Obama taught Constitutional law for 10 years and, before he was elected into the US Senate, was a state senator in the Illinois Senate for 8 years. Even if you think John McCain is more experienced, in this case it doesn’t seem to equate to sound decisions. McCain supported the policies and deregulation that have led to the huge economic disaster we are currently mired in.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 17, 2008, 3:47 am 3:47 am
Obama is attemptint to recreat history. This whole mess is the result of the deregluation in the Clinton Administration which and the subprime loan market. Democrates pressured banks to make loan completely devoid of sound lending practices. After these risky loans were made, they sold them in the secondary market. Democrates blocked legislation proposed by John McCain in 2005. John McCain said
If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
– John McCain, May 25, 2006
Obama failed to see there was a problem so who is out of touch!!!
Posted by: ubu2008 | September 17, 2008, 6:04 am 6:04 am
Back in 2003 -
Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
So if the Democrats hadn’t blocked this back in 2003 — we would most likely not have this housing crisis today.
Posted by: andie | September 17, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am
McCain now wants more regulations on the market. The Double Talk Express keeps lurching down the road.
In 1999, McCain supported the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which removed the walls between banking, investment and insurance companies that were established after the Great Depression.
In March of this year, he told the Wall Street Journal, “I’m always for less regulation. I’d like to see a lot of the unnecessary government regulations elminated.”
In the wake of Enron’s collapse, he voted for Sarbanes-Oxley but in 2007, he said that he “regretted his vote.”
Is this man capable of sustaining a consistent position on anything but warmongering? He regularly seems to assume that Americans will just lap up whatever he says at the moment.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | September 17, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
John McCain the “double talk” express says, “our economy is fundamentally strong. What planet is he on?
John McCain says, “he wants to make Washington “transparent”…double talk express wants to conceal Sarah Palin’s abuse of power in Trooper Gate.
John McCain voted 95% with Bush.
Sarah Palin doesn’t know what the “Bush Doctrine” is? As Governor of Alaska, she charges cars, tanning beds and other items using the tax payers money.
John McCain and Sarah Palin is WORSE than Bush/Cheney.
Elect Barack Obama for Presdient.
Change we Need!
Obama/Biden 08
Posted by: michelle63 | September 17, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am