By Lee Speigel

Sep 9, 2008 7:02pm

Obama Defends Palin’s Children and Faith

LEBANON, Va. — "Why don’t we join with the Republicans and agree that children, families of the candidates, religion of the candidates, is off limits," asked a Virginian tonight at a town meeting with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

"Let me be very clear about this, and if there are members of the media who are listening, I hope they hear me loud and clear," Obama said. "I have said already that people’s families are off limits. They are civilians and they didn’t choose to run for office, and how qualified we are for office … isn’t determined by what our children do. And I’m very protective of my two kids. They’re 10 and 7 and at some point I expect they’re gonna make a mistake. They’re not perfect, although I think they are and I don’t want them, particularly if I’m successful and I end up being in the White House — I don’t want them to not be able to make mistakes or live … out their childhood without it being in the papers.

"So, family, particularly children, I believe are off limits," he said.

"Now the second thing," Obama added. "I’m a Christian and I believe deeply in my faith."

The crowd applauded.

"So, the fact that Gov. Palin is deeply religious, that’s a good thing," Obama said. "You know, I give her all the credit in the world for that, and for people to start poking around and trying to, you know, paint that as if it’s, as if it’s strange and wrong, I think that’s offensive. I don’t think we should be doing that.

"Now if she’s got positions or John McCain’s got positions or I’ve got positions or Joe Biden has positions, public policy positions, that … are part of government’s function, then I think it’s legitimate to have a debate about those positions, but don’t give people some sort of religious litmus test," he continued, "because I don’t want somebody to question my faith and I’m certainly not gonna question somebody else’s.

"I feel very strongly about that," Obama said. "This is a nation of believers. This is a nation of believers, and I’m one of them, and we may not agree on every single aspect of our faith, but what we can agree to is that faith is important in our lives and it shapes our values, and we should be respectful of each other’s faiths."

– Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller

User Comments

Actually he just needs to keep Biden away from his lipstick.
Jokes aside, Obama is right. We’ve got 56 days left and lots to talk about.
Here is an idea: Get HUD to open it’s maps for revite areas to co-housing groups who want to retrofit neighborhoods for shared housing. This method enables people to pool resources and live in decent communities where they can share food costs, transportation costs, and housing and heating costs.
We are in this together. We will get through this together. We can’t do it with just the government and we can’t do it without the government. We should look at the government resources we have and come up with smart new ways to use them.
America is waking up…. with a headache but a mission too. We are going to reinvent this country and it will shine.

Posted by: len | September 9, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Obama stays classy as usual.
Concerned in OH – the only one to call Palin a pig…is you.

Posted by: jefferson | September 9, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Obama is trying his best to keep the press focused on issues. Issues election = Obama victory. Press just runs around chasing whatever scandal. Obama needs to be able to attack Palin’s less-than-mediocre record and her subsequent embellishment of it to win. If criticism of Palin focuses on family and religious matters then the winds of the culture war blow in McCain’s favor because they will cry victim status and the press will self-excoriate. “I mean, she only addressed a convention of a secessionist party, what’s so weird about that? They’re going after her family and religion on Daily Kos!” Just watch. Obama may be able to stop it, but he’s going to have to spend half of his time putting out these entreaties in order to inoculate himself.

Posted by: Maurizio | September 9, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

It took a christian question to bring him to shame!

Posted by: Beckie | September 9, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Concerned in OH:
So was it a “high-sounding” statement/apology that John Mcain made after admitting he was wrong for calling the President’s Clinton’s daughter UGLY and saying her father was Janet Reno?!! Or when he said he was wrong for INITIALLY advocating the flying of the Confederate Flag over the South Carolina Statehouse in order to win votes!?
First remove the boulder in your candidates eyes before you pick at the spec of your opponent’s….

Posted by: John Doe | September 9, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Oooh. Aaaahh.

Posted by: Deep Release | September 9, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

Say OH. this women started off calling names and telling lie about our future President Obama; also lied about thing she did as gov. and from the opening shot she made a fool of her self. So what ever Biden says or President Obama says they are just returning the favor; so do’nt be mad! A fair exchange is’nt robbery.
Go Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Chester H. Lacey | September 9, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

This campaign has become so dirty. A lot of the dirt is being flung by random people and not by the campaigns themselves. It just puts a nasty taste in everyone’s mouth.
Here I am reading comments and honestly, when I see a whole lot of racist comments and they come by and large from McCain supporters, I start to hate Republicans. Of course that’s ridiculous. McCain himself isn’t a racist.
I imagine the same thing happens when Republicans see fawning from he Obama side. Honestly, there is a strong part of me who resists any sort of group-speak. The idea that someone would vote for Obama because of shallow concerns offends me. I’m starting to have a better understanding of it with the whole Palin nomination and the amazing support she has garnered when her views on many major issues has yet to be voiced.
I don’t think I’m alone in having trouble distinguishing between official campaign positions and positions espoused by unaffiliated people.
Maybe we would be better off without these forums.

Posted by: johnTX | September 9, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Obama never called Palin a pig.
But concerned in OH, the pathetic liar liar that he is continues to claim that.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 9, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

I agree with you Jeffereson. Obama is always classy. It is his campaign staff, Al Sharpton, Union Chief that does dirty work for him.

Posted by: Tim | September 9, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

Classy as always. Unlike McCain, who implied Obama supporting teaching children how to watch out for sex abuser was somehow teaching sex-ed to kids.
McCain is using every Karl Rove trick in the book. No shame.

Posted by: Mich | September 9, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Hmm Jim. You are right, well, about most of the topics on this blog having Obama in the title. I imagine that both campaigns want the media to focus on them, so I suppose it isn’t shocking.

Posted by: johnTX | September 9, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

Umm, hello, “families are off-limits” means Obama’s too. He’s saving his own butt for his wife’s future gaffes and daughters’ future “mistakes” that he admits here that they’re eventually going to make. He’s not being “classy”.

Posted by: Eric | September 9, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Obama’s judgement continues to be questionable.

Posted by: Kitty | September 9, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Obama wants to keep this campaign season on a higher plane but it takes both sides to do that and McCain has made his decision to turn this election into a sideshow. This Karl Rove guy is a genius. He has turned the election into “THE NEW AMERICAN IDOL”. He has replaced a tiresome, dried-out old candidate who is too confused to get the facts straight, and created tremendous buzz about a know-nothing right-wing Christian fundamentalist who won a beauty contest. Instead of looking at the horrible record of the last 8 nightmarish Bush years we now want to find out who is the sexiest, who has the best one liner put-downs? Hey Kids, while the the economy is going down the tubes, people are losing their homes and jobs, and respect for this country is at an all time low, lets have a Popularity Contest!! Its just like High School, wow, kids this is fun. The heck with boring political stuff, lets go for the cute gal with the smart mouth (her words also provided by Rove). Wake up kids, four years of McCain/Palin will leave you and your families far worse off than you are now. Can you afford to play these childish but potentially lethal games??

Posted by: jefflz | September 9, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Palin replied by speaking in tongues.

Posted by: religousnut | September 9, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

Issues. I want to hear plans about the issues, economy, health care, taxes, environment, unemployment, terrorism, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, N. Korea, China. Education. I don’t give a rat’s ass about Palin’s kid or her church. Substantive reporting on issues and positions. How about it ABC?

Posted by: Jason | September 9, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

Tim, I’m pretty sure Al Sharpton isn’t working for Obama. I’d be surprised if they were even friends. Sharpton is pissed that Obama completely eclipsed him and refused to give him any credit for his nomination (Sharpton seems to believe successful black people owe their success to him). I haven’t heard much at all out of Sharpton in quite a while.

Posted by: johnTX | September 9, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

jpt quotes The CHANGEling:
“You know, I give her all the credit in the world for that … “

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 9, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

The Republicans CAN’T talk about issues, about the functions of government because they’ve been in control of the government and have totally messed it up. McCain can’t claim a change in policy because he’s changed all f his to match Bush. McCain can’t claim to want to change to a bi-partisan unity government because he picked an anti-science, right-wing back bench bomb-thrower as a VP. He can’t even claim to be the best for the security of the nation because Palin can’t be trusted with the security of the nation.
Let’s see how much policy vs culture war the Republicans want to talk about.
Hate, fear and division is all they’ve got left.

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 9, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Oh, Senator Obama! I just adore you for your classiness … you really are one in a quadrillion. I just wish your opponents weren’t constantly trying to use your best qualities against you.

Posted by: Kate | September 9, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

Totally disingenuous. He’s playing the part of Mr Nice Guy while, at the same time,sending a small army of lawyers (30!) to Alaska to dig up dirt on her.
He plays dirty and I only hope karma is a b-tch.

Posted by: Marty | September 9, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

“He’s saving his own butt for his wife’s future gaffes and daughters’ future “mistakes” that he admits here that they’re eventually going to make”
So it bothers you Eric that he says people should not attack his wife or his children (who would be 16 & 18 at the end if he served 2 terms) and says people should not attack anyone’s family?
Do you want to be able to attack his 8 and 10 year old daughters?

Posted by: Ryan C | September 9, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Palins effect is wearing polls showing!!!oops!! McCane is not in news these days!!!

Posted by: JOJO | September 9, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

Obama says hand off then winks as his lemmings continue to practice the worst kind of hatred – first with Hillary then, with Sarah.
The man should have a talk with moveon.org and KOS and such if he’s sincere. Otherwise, it just the same old Obama, different day!

Posted by: dl | September 9, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

The idea that Obama hasn’t been vetted is odd. Clinton ran against him for almost a year. Of course she sent people to dig up every piece of dirt they could find. On top of that he was a state senator for 8 years and was elected to Congress. His opponents all went digging into his past.
However, the difference between Palin and Obama is that all the stuff on Obama came out years ago. Some of it, he wrote in his own book. The media doesn’t report on old news. They assume everyone knows. Palin however is a complete unknown, so the media is digging through everything, on one hand to find anything juicy they can print, but on the other to figure out who exactly she is. After all, she doesn’t have a public position on half the issues of this campaign. Most of her positions are on Alaska local issues.
Palin just needs to do a bunch of interviews to get where she stands on record. Until she does, the media is going to take whatever they find in her past, try to draw some conclusions from it and print it.

Posted by: johnTX | September 9, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

“Unlike McCain, who implied Obama supporting teaching children how to watch out for sex abuser was somehow teaching sex-ed to kids.”
I just saw that ad. That is the most disgusting, offensive ad I’ve seen this year. And I guess the implication of it’s message must be that McCain doesn’t support teaching children how to watch out for pedophiles. Who is McCain really working for?

Posted by: El_Pajaro | September 9, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

Eric,
wE ALL make mistakes, We are human. If you had anyone you cared about you would want to protect them too!

Posted by: fempharoh08 | September 9, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

Tommy T,
I agree! I demand a special prosecutor be named immediately in investigate this obscene Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac 5 trillion dollar buyout! This one criminal act could devastate our economy for decades. I want answers! Who created this insane policy of forcing lenders to write subprime mortgages! Who did Fannie and Freddie donate to!!! Who got the golden parachutes!!! I WANT ANSWERS!!!

Posted by: Woody | September 9, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

Tuesday, September 09, 2008
“Nowhere” Woman
Sarah Palin has claimed that she said “Thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere.
As Josh Marshall, in an excellent and definitive timeline, demonstrates–this is simply false:
“Sometimes when you’ve got a liar as big as Sarah Palin on the line only a timeline will really do justice to her fibbing ways.
So a lot of you have written in to ask: Okay, she says she said ‘Thanks. But no thanks’ to the Bridge to Nowhere. But how exactly did it all come out? What’s the order of events? Well, briefly, it went like this.
Actually, Congress put the kibosh on the Bridge to Nowhere back in November 2005. Since Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) was then head of the Senate Appropriations Committee he was able to force a compromise in which the earmark for the bridge was killed but Alaska got to hold on to the money — some $442 million of federal tax dollars.
Fast forward to November 2006. That’s when Sarah Palin was running as a staunch supporter of the Bridge to Nowhere — that is, after the feds had themselves already said ‘No Thanks.’
In 2006, the Democrats took over both houses of Congress. So by the time Palin got into office it was clear that not only was the first Bridge earmark killed but that Congress was not going to be ponying up any more money. That meant that Alaska was going to have to pick up the tab all on its own. So since she couldn’t pay for its with the federal pork barrel, in September 2007, Palin officially halted the project which was then a state project since Congress had said ‘Thanks. But no thanks’ two years earlier.
She couldn’t say ‘No Thanks’ because Congress had already said ‘Forget It’.
Still with me?
So the money Palin sent back to Washington? Well, she didn’t. She kept the money for other bridges and roads in Alaska.
So, to boil it all down, Congress pulled the plug on the Bridge to Nowhere in 2005. Palin was still for it in 2006. And when she finally ended the project because Congress had cut off funding, instead of saying ‘No Thanks’ she actually said ‘Thanks!’ because instead of sending the money back to Washington she kept it all in Juneau.
Next question?”

Posted by: Cara Prado | September 9, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

dl, hell, I’m as surprised as you are. But honestly if you look at some of her interviews recently, they’ve been anything but fluff. And trust me, I was expecting fluff. I mean, this is Katie Couric we’re talking about here!

Posted by: johnTX | September 9, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

If we are going to blame everything any Democrat says on Obama, then we will have to also blame everything any Republican says on McCain. And that is a contest you do NOT want to have! Why don’t we just stick to the candidates and quit trying to make up ways to make them look bad by inuendo.

Posted by: jock59801 | September 9, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

The War? How about the war against children through abortion? 45 million babies have been killed since the Vietnam war ended with the Democratic parties help.
But they are worried about 4000 war dead over the last 4 and 1/2 years? They have killed 6.6 million children during the same period of time.
And Obama is a Christian? Well do the Christian thing…..and protect innocent babies, instead of fighting for terrorists constitutional rights.
The economy was brought down by bad lending practices. If you can make a higher percentage rate selling Alt-A loans instead of fixed rate loans….the banks went for it. They got a higher commission for it and boosted the amount of money the bank was charging in interest.
What the smucks weren’t prepared for was the falling value of homes as they were being seized in foreclosures. To many home on the market made the prices fall. Loans that were resetting for 10-12 percent interest….could not be refinanced because they were worth less than the homeowner bought them for.
This has caused the whole structure of housing to collapse, because of the Banks greed. Selling bad loans has brought the entire banking system down.
Neither candidate will be able to fix this mess. The bankers can’t fix their mess.
As far as health care….and poor people…..get a job and drop the work for food sign.
No one owes you anything….you owe yourself. Go to work.
The environmentalists are a joke. They run the Democratic Party. They lie about ANWR….showing pictures of moose and sheep near mountains.
There are no moose and sheep in ANWR. There are no trees in ANWR. What are the moose supposed to eat?
Environmentalists want to survive on love…….because they sure aren’t going to drill for any oil in the near future. They aren’t going to develop nuclear power either. They are a blockage in the rectum of American society. There time is over.

Posted by: Steven Wilson | September 9, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

johnTX,
I can see how you would think that. However, I urge you to look up online some of the discussions that are happening NOW on myriad topics surrounding Obama.
For example, look for things like this:
“Most Americans are clueless about the depth of Obama’s relationship with William Ayres and Bernardine Dohrn, unrepentant founders of the terrorist group Weather Underground. When the time came to throw them under the bus, the Senator wasted no time erasing his 13-year relationship with this charming couple. ‘They’re just folks in the neighborhood,’ he said, or something like that.
“Truth is, Obama, an ambitious newcomer to Chicago who was eager to meet left-wing power brokers, sought out Ayres and Dohrn and they became friends. In 1995 Ayers and Dohrn hosted Obama at their home for a private fundraising soirée in advance of his first election.”

Posted by: QGt7 | September 9, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

It is not OK to question her faith. It IS ok to ask her if she shares certain positions which are advocated by churches affiliated with hers. I am not questioning the sincerity of her belief or saying she shouldn’t believe it or holding it up to ridicule.
On the contrary, I take it very seriously, as does she, I am sure.
As Governor, did she take any steps to prepare Alaska to be a refuge state to shelter Christians from the Anti-Christ in the coming battle?
As Vice President, what steps would she take in Israel policy to further the momentum towards a great confrontation and the beginning of the end times?
What role will prophesy play in how she governs, if any?
Does she believe it is necessary to recruit a “Joel’s Army” of young missionaries to do spiritual battle in the next few years as God’s wrath is visited upon the USA and the world? If so, when does she think that will be necessary and what steps will she take as Vice President to bring it about?
Has she discussed these issues with John McCain? Does he agree with her positions?

Posted by: drfranklives | September 9, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

There’s this little thing called “separation of church and state”. When a candidate’s religion dictates policy, that’s where we all have a real problem.

Posted by: LEPBTV | September 9, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

Typically I would agree that a political candidate’s faith should not be open to question or scrutiny, but when a candidate suggests that a pointless, bloody, costly war founded on lies (I’m referring to WMDs and the myth that we’re fighting this war to spread freedom and democracy and not to secure our oil interests in the middle east) which has crippled our nation in nearly every way is “God’s war,” then I’m willing to set aside that discretion and ask them to elaborate on their religious beliefs. Besides do we really think that if a candidate for U.S. President or V.P. said they were Muslim (or any religion other than Catholic/Christian for that matter) the questions would stop there. Who are we kidding, politics and religion have never been separate in this country and that has never been more evident than in this race.

Posted by: GabeCA | September 9, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

Geeez – has anyone seen Michelle Obama. Lipstick won’t help her. I think she began her disappointment of America when she looked in the mirror.

Posted by: dl | September 9, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

biden needs to explain hows hes conected to the bankruptcy bill of 2005 his son who is a bank lobbist and this bail out this is costing us billions and it started with the bill biden sponsered

Posted by: david serra sr | September 9, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

QGt7, if you have a reputable source for this close relation Obama and Ayres are supposed to have, I’m happy to read it.
Online discussions aren’t a reputable source of information for me. I’ve seen online discussions about aliens, 9/11 being masterminded by Bush and about how Jews are genetically inferior to white people. I’ve learned to take psuedo-anonymous online discussions without a considerable grain of salt.
Vietnam was an awful war and one of the darkest eras of America’s history. We should have never, ever been there. We killed millions. Do I condone bombing of buildings even if authorities were notified ahead of time? No. Would I have done the same thing if peaceful movements to end genocide failed? Hell, I might have tried staging a coup and overthrowing the US government if I had been alive back then.

Posted by: johnTX | September 9, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Obama never called Palin, or anyone else, a pig. He called eight years of failed Bush/Cheney/McCain policies a pig.
And he didn’t call her, or anyone else, lipstick, either. He’s calling the McCain campaign’s sudden mantra of change “lipstick”. This is a very old metaphor, and had nothing at all to do with Palin.
And you all know it, so stop repeating lies. Contrary to what Karl Rove would have you believe, repeating lies over and over again does not make them true.
Real change for a better America
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Reality Check | September 9, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

johnTx,
McCain’s former spokesperson Torie Clarke wrote a Book with the title “Lipstick on a Pig:….”.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 9, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

Sarah Palin is absolutely worst thing that could have happened to the women’s movement. She is a token choice- just like Geraldine Ferraro. If her name had been Samuel instead of Sarah, she never would have been chosen for McCain’s running mate. It’s insulting that she was chosen simply because she was a conservative woman. When the wrong woman is put in to a position of power, and she proves herself to be an airhead, then she hurts all women. Look in to the failed governorship of the pathetic Kathleen Blanco in Louisiana. She was totally clueless and helpless during hurricane Katrina. Hillary, on the other hand, is extremely bright and well educated, and vastly more experienced. Palin is none of these things. She’s a communication journalism type of person, a former beauty queen and local TV personality sportscaster. She has no knowledge of history or political science. Lord knows what courses she took in her 5 colleges that she attended, or even what kind of grades she made! McCain’s (former GW Bush trainers) can’t just tutor someone like a monkey and expect them to do tricks, especially on a national stage. She will fail miserably, once the public see that there are no brains behind the charm. Why do you think they are sequestering her like no other VP candidate in history. Even Dan Quayle took questions from the press just one day after his convention. You can’t shield her forever. We will eventually find out just how shallow her knowledge of everything she needs to perform the job of President, should McCain have the misfortune to meet his maker in the next 8 years.

Posted by: Jennifer | September 9, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

alex, I’m not sure you could call them stupid. The Republican mantra is alluring – lower taxes, money trickles down from rich to poor naturally and keep government small. Never mind that Republicans never actually deliver on this. The message itself is powerful.
Can you blame people? The economy, foreign policy, etc. are complex issues. When politicians run for local or state government, people can much more quickly identify if the candidate is spouting nonsense. They have a much firmer grasp of local issues.
However when you start talking about running for President, the average person has no personal knowledge to refer to. They have to look at character. They try to judge who is most like them because that is what they understand.
This is why character assassinations and fear mongering work so well in Presidential elections. People need to be able to trust a candidate to tackle issues they themselves don’t fully understand.

Posted by: johnTX | September 9, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Nice Comment obama.
I happen to agree 100% with you – on this issue.

Posted by: Molly | September 9, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

I’m not sure spouses should be off limits. If the Clinton administration has shown us anything, it is that spouses can insert themselves into the political process.
Children or parents on the other hand are completely irrelevant. I honestly wish Palin would have stopped intentionally bringing hers into the political arena. McCain has avoided bringing them in altogether. Obama had his little girls on stage, I kind of wish he didn’t. I’m not even sure I know what Biden’s kids look like.

Posted by: johnTX | September 9, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

“We’re on a Mission from God”
That’s gonna make me nervous.
What’s the about 2 packs of cigarettes, 110 miles and a full tank of gas?

Posted by: Ryan C | September 9, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

Ryan C – you forgot the sun glasses. I love that movie… I live in Chicago.

Posted by: Gina | September 9, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Did Obama just set a new record for flip-flopping? Religion is off-limits. a few seconds later – I’m a Christian

Posted by: geevill | September 9, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

Obama did compare Palin to a pig. Is that better than calling her “sweeting”.
WOMEN OF THE UNITED STATES; WE DO NOT NEED OR CAN WE AFFORD TO HAVE THIS MAN OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE. VOTE FOR PALIN AND IN FOUR YEARS FOR CLINTON…..

Posted by: loyalamerican | September 9, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

JohnTx: You commented that spouuses should most likely not be off limits because of Hillary Clinton’s influence on the presidency during her husband’s terms.
You ain’t seen nothing yet if Obama gets in. Michelle will become THE PITBULL FROM HELL WITHOUT LIPSTICK. I believe she’s the one who kept Hillary off the ticket. Michelle will handle Barack Hussein like Putin handles the Russian president.

Posted by: loyalamerican | September 9, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

I remember, a year ago, foolishly thinking, this election would be different; this election would be about the pressing issues our country faces and there would be solid, thoughtful, solutions presented by serious candidates who, actually, did put their country first……Oh my, what is that saying from Bush? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice……ummm, can’t get fooled again?

Posted by: Gypsy | September 9, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

no one called PALIN a pig.
That’s a false pretense.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 9, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Palin is still lying about the bridge to nowhere even after she was caught in a lie several days ago…now they are supposely outraged about the freddie mac bail out….even though it was rick davis(lobbyist and mccain campaign manager) that led this bail out for years….why is mccain so mad about these lobbyists and “talking” change when he can’t even change his campaign…mccain is a puppet!!! like palin….

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 9, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

Palin is still lying about the bridge to nowhere even after she was caught in a lie several days ago…now they are supposely outraged about the freddie mac bail out….even though it was rick davis(lobbyist and mccain campaign manager) that led this bail out for years….why is mccain so mad about these lobbyists and “talking” change when he can’t even change his campaign…mccain is a puppet!!! like palin….

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 9, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

My family and I were considering not participating in this election. Sarah Plain as vice president has changed our mind.
Her faith is so important to the future of this country.
we believe that it is Gods will that Sarah Palin will be vice president, and then become president.
What America, and the world, doesn’t understand is that we are in a war not just with nations, but with forces we cannot see.
Sarah Palin understands this and she do Gods will in fighting this war.
It is so important for those who have not accepted Christ to do it now. We are in the last days, and those who are not redeemed will spend an eternity in the lake of fire. Only those who have accepted Jesus will escape this judgement.
Your souls, and the souls of those you love is at stake. Gods will will always be done. God Bless

Posted by: Jenn | September 9, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

if obama was calling palin a pig then mccain was calling hillary a pig when he said the same thing
you republicans are out of control right now, you are just throwing everything out there, just unloading… its really pathetic what you are all doing…
and geevil
how is him saying religion is off limits and saying he is religious a flip flop?
do you understand english above a second grade level?
do you know what a flip flop is?

Posted by: bhrandon | September 9, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

how come palin has to practice for a week to speak out on anything….a week to do her acceptance speech….a week to have a major interview (scripted by karl rove), and when she goes off script she still manages to gaffe it up!!! even dan quayle gave interviews after he was selected…will america have to wait a week for palin to make any decisions in the white house vp/ or president(god forbid)….she is not ready for any position!!!!

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 9, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

EAST COAST – USA
you are a republican 527 minion pretending to be a regular blogger..you have not said 1 oz. of truth yet!!!
can you directly quote when obama has called palin a pig…….lol……don’t worry i’ll wait!!!!

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 9, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

“biden needs to explain hows hes conected to the bankruptcy bill of 2005 his son who is a bank lobbist and this bail out this is costing us billions and it started with the bill biden sponsered” — I suggest you get a copy of last week’s Meet the Press. He discusses all of these charges quite thoroughly.

Posted by: Elizabeth | September 9, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

Why don’t we elect god to be the president then. God created the world without picking a president for any of us, why would religion/faith now be part of the discussion.
I really had enough of this makeup stuff. No body care who you vote. Just keep it for yourself and stop making excuses for yourself and others. It is just a human game. Just like who you are posting and reading.

Posted by: no name | September 9, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Senator Obama statements on religion and families hit on decency. However, he does not have any control or even want to control his paid staff and supporters on the SMEARS against his opponents. If he can not get these people to be honest or shut up, how will he lead a country?????
Sarah Palin and her family and values are main stream America.

Posted by: Mary | September 9, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

Obama/Biden=GOOD
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McCain/Palin=BAD
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I’m trying to keep it simple here.

Posted by: truth serum | September 9, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

To Mary
what lies have obamas supporters told?
……still waiting….

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 9, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

The McCain campaign has a new ad out complaining that Obama supported legislation aimed at teaching children how to avoid sexual predators.

Posted by: Mike | September 9, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

bitterindependent says “OBAMA IS TOO INEXPERIENCED AND TOO IMMATURE!” After reading your post, I think you should look in the mirror. Looks like you’re the one who’s immature, and from the context of your message, not too swift either.

Posted by: 247liberal | September 9, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

the reason the republican attack machine is getting so irrational and dishonestly nasty is because the obama campaign is fighting back….unfortunately the MSM is using kid gloves and not doing the same….if mccain wins then we will have 4 more years of karl rove tactics…the only cure for the polls is just to get “fired up” and vote!!!!! don’t stay at home for 4 more years of this INSANITY!!

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 9, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

While I doubt that Sarah Palin needs Obama or Biden to stand up for her rights or values, Obama is doing the right thing in vowing to leave family out of the partisan politics.
Perhaps Obama should pass along that position to Biden and insist that he do the same.
And, while they are at it, perhaps Obama and Biden should take credit for some of their actions in the Senate.
We keep hearing about the “Bridge to Nowhere”, an issue that has little relevance to the important issues.
So, the next time Obama or Biden mentions the bridge in Alaska, it would be appropriate to mention that they both voted in favor of funding the “Bridge to Nowhere.”
John McCain did not.
Anybody But Obama…

Posted by: Jayhawk | September 9, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

Wake Up People! The last time we checked, this country was going down the drain because of Bush! No jobs, foreclosures, inflation, debt, a health care system that doesnt work. Geez, even the Canadian dollar is worth more than ours! In the top 50 countries of the world, the United States is placed at 38th in education and teaching our kids…. our future! The rich are richer and getting beautiful tax breaks. The poor get poorer and a middle class that is disappearing. Look around… REALLY LOOK AROUND! Our parents werent both working when we were kids… just our dads… now they both work and some 2 jobs each if they can find one. The richest own companies where only the headquarters are in the U.S., all the real work is done out of the country paying for cheap labor while our poor starve! No more tax breaks for the rich unless they hire over 50% Americans on our soil… not in Mexico and China! Only 10% of families in the United States make over $100,000 a year and much of that is when both parents are working. The other 90% make much less and barely enough to survive.
We need to end that expensive freaking war in the middle east and use that money for our own people, for our kids, for education, and to afford tax breaks and food for those who dont have anything! Really, we are all in this together.. christians, jews, athiests, and we need a president who understands the needs of the 90%! You think McCain is going to think of the 90%? You think McCain understands this nation after voting AGAINST a holiday honoring Martin Luther King? And voting against the Childs Health Care Bill in 2007? Well, I guess he figures the Rich Kids have health insurance and thats all that matters.
Vote for Obama, someone who understands what this country needs and listens to the 90%. And I am white guy from the midwest and tired of seeing my neighbors being on by Bush and we dont need another 8 years of this!

Posted by: Wake Up | September 10, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

One correction…. the American dollar is currently .06 over the Canadian dollar. Bush must have beat the Prime Minister at Golf.

Posted by: Wake Up | September 10, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

when is palin going to get interviewed without karl rove pulling her string?

Posted by: bitterindependent | September 10, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am

Very well said by Obama. Better than I’ve heard any other politician put it, and amazingly gracious considering how he’s been treated. Leave the civilians alone. Stick to issues and track records.

Posted by: aglee | September 10, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

The difference, of course, is that Obama has had to explain in great detail the role of his Christian faith in his life, and exactly how it does or doesn’t inform his policies and positions. Palin has not publically explained her own faith, and whether some of the incendiary rhetoric heard in her own churches is characteristic of her own views. When will she be called to explain this to the press and the public?

Posted by: Reality-based | September 10, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am

I appreciate Obama’s chivalry, but I must respectfully disagree.
I think is is fair game to talk about her daughter, when she believes in taking away OUR daughter’s choices!!! And when she doesn’t want to provide sex-ed and insists on abstinence only training. then her daughter is an issue as far as it proves the absurdity of this type of training.
And I think religion IS an issue when she herself says that her plans are God’s will. I’m sure you’ve seen the videos by now. In that case we MUST know what type of God she believes in and she thinks his will is (I only say “HIS” because that’s what the Christian’s think. I think God is beyond any one sex.).
So Obama has to take this type of road. But we and the press MUST press the religious issue. Does she believe that we are in an international holy war with non-Christian cultures. Does she believe in Alaskan superiority? Perhaps that would explain her coziness with the AIP!
Wake up people!!!
Ask questions!!!
Challenge positions!!!
Remember what happened when just believed the WMD’s claim?

Posted by: Paul Mitchell | September 10, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am

I weep for Americans! I wonder why it is difficult for them to see what is ahead. The whole world can see it but the World is getting depressed that
the People that seem to have the longest vision are now groping in darkness.
The intelligence of an average American is being called to questions by all sought of lies that are being pushed into public domain.
The most disheartening of it all is that the recipients of these lies are ignorant of the truth and they are not doing anything to know the truth.
If we bother to read CNN’s Political Ticker, we will see comments of People all over the World to the wrong route the ship of state has taken in the past seven years and what lurks in the dark in the next four years if a wrong choice is made.
President Bush’ s regime has gone down in history as one of the worst administration America has had to grapple with.
He has tried his best but his best has not been enough.
But he needs to write his name back in gold. How can he do this? To bestow on the Country an Administration that would fair much worse that his that would make Critics regret ever disparaging him.
Senator Mccain is a good man but he can not take the US back to the enviable place it was before the current maladministation.
Gov. Sarah Palin, judging from her records in Alaska, is a mother, a Vindictive Politician and a religious dogma.
America is a free society. It was the freedom to choose that got the Country to the state of being a beacon to all lovers of Democracy all over the world.
It was the freedom of choice that led to the Founding Fathers to sign the Independence Charter in 1774.
America is a Democracy and Democracy is synonymous with Choice.
Mccian/Palin Administration would leave you with no choice. They will crimilize your Choice.
Not everybody is an Evangelical. I am Penticostal, you are Methodist, Your Neighbor is Anglican. We have denominational choices.
We are not in Cuba. We are not Communists. We should have the right to chooose.
We should be Pro-Choice. That is one of the pivots on which democracy stands and that is the Pivot on which democracy can survive.
Without trying to sound sexist, we can not leave this decision in the hands of some old Women who are caught in the Palin frenzy because of the novelty of her choice as the Veepee Nominee.
Most of these Women have passed their primes. They have lived their lifes and it is out turn to live ours.
They cannot decide for us, We will decide for them because we have much more at stake that them.
This race is not about race, it is not about sex, it is not a novelty, it is a struggle for the remission of the Soul of the United States of America.
It is about earning and getting back our respect from the Comity of Nations. It is about making this World safer without embarking on unilateral action that tends to alienate our Allies.
It is about revamping our Economy, which is presently comatose. It is about creating Employment by bringing back the Jobs that took flight back into the Country, It is about creating enabling environment for our Children to excel while not abdicating the love of Parents to Schools and the Government.
It is about Issues, it is not about Personality, IT IS ABOUT YOU AND I.
May God grant us Profiting Ears.

Posted by: Dare Nigeria | September 10, 2008, 6:39 am 6:39 am

Thank You Mr. Obama. Even though America . Did not respect yor family and beliefs. But for Palin, everything in her life is off limits. She want to become President , Opps! Vice President.We have the Right to know about her personal life. When I hire employees, Background checks is done.

Posted by: Misglo | September 10, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am

I hope all the Obama haters and McCain supporters posting here realize that a McCain presidency will be almost identical to the last Bush presidency It is the same crew running the campaign, the same party and the same policies.
Well if you guys succeed, enjoy “Four more years”

Posted by: skeptic | September 10, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

Considering neither McCain nor Palin is highly educated, it should come as no surprise that they do not support the field of science. We have all heard of the Dark Ages, “an era of ignorance and social repression, a suspension of time and progress, a period of cultural stagnation.” Let us hope that we Democrats prevail this November, for I fear if we do not, America will continue down the dark path that George W. Bush and the Republican Party has laid at our feet.
P.S. I do not believe Palin’s religion is off limits at all. Religious fanaticism is something to be questioned. Now I see why Jesse Jackson got pissed.

Posted by: ziadora | September 10, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am

I’m not a believer. So I’m not a member of the nation?
I’m a strong Obama supporter but it drives me nuts when he panders to the religious among us. There should no place for this in our politics.

Posted by: Greg | September 10, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

I feel that here Obama is being too conciliatory with regards to this trashy wingnut who would give him and his beliefs (in, say, the rights accorded us by the Constitution, the Establishment Clause, and so on) not a bit of ground. Who should be surprised that a representative from Jews For Jesus should be invited to indulge the conversion fantasies of the congregation at the Wasilla Assembly of God church? These people are witch-hunters, in essence–Robertson, Dobson…and the host of blinkered followers like Palin whose salvation lies in stamping out *your* freedoms. I know that Obama has the decency in him not to stomp on someone, and even to bend over backwards, to be decent. But, really – these censorious hypocrites need to be exposed and stomped on.

Posted by: GregL | September 10, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am

For the religious people that want to vote for McCain/Palin, consider the following:
Thou shalt not lie: they have lied
Thou shalt not kill: supports an unjust war
Thou shalt not commit adultery: McCain admits to affairs while married to his first wife, his last being with his current wife
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour: Continually lying
While no one is perfect,Republicans tend to pride themselves in being the more godly citizens..how godly is it if the leader you want has broken 40% of Gods laws?

Posted by: april | September 10, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am

The level of dishonesty in this campaign is reaching new record highs, and it is up to the voters to sort out the truth for themselves. UrbanMysths is keeping track of the whoppers that McCain and Palin are telling about themselves, so what can’t the mainstream media do the same thing instead of letting them repeat the same fake stories over and over again?

Posted by: giovanni | September 10, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Thank God Obama is still a class act! The lies the McCain camp are telling are outrageous. It is a shame this campaign has come to this. Do the republican truly believe the way to win an election is to spread lies??? What I want to hear is what each candidate is going to do for this country – not what they think is “wrong” with the other guy. God help the USA!!!

Posted by: mildredonline | September 10, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

I hold the media accountable for not fact checking before spreading all kinds of idiotic rumors — see the comment above about the “pig in lipstick” for an example of something taken entirely out of context.
In the effort to be the first to break new, the media is doing a lousy job of breaking accurate news.
What happened to the responsibilities of the Fourth Estate?
Lately, when a retraction has occurred, it’s only in print — never on the evening news where more people would see it.
Kudos for Obama trying to stay on the high road.
Shame, shame on the media for pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Posted by: pari noskin taichert | September 10, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

In no way conservative J. McCain claim change. Truly, it is not more than words. The true change is inherent in Obama, B. He really manages and brings change with respect external relation crisis USA has with Middle East, Europe and Africa. J. McCain is a feudal Landlord. B. Obama is dynamic and well educated figure.

Posted by: Malkamu | September 10, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Republicans know how to win election, mostly by lying. One can not have a conversation with a lier? And so, they may win again with the same tactics…it’s a very depressing thought, but empires collapse and, I guess, it’s our time…indeed, very sad.

Posted by: jaleh | September 10, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

The level of hypocrisy is incredible. Obama’s wife made an inadvertent comment about being proud about this country for the first time, and she was pilloried in the press and talk shows about it. Peopled questioned her patriotism.
Yet Palin’s husband was a card-carrying member of a political party that promoted Alaskan independence (that has actually proven to be true fact). While Palin herself may not have been a member, she is on record as having spoken at this party’s convention. As a “patriot” in the highest office of Alaska, how is this justifiable? Giving everybody the right to express their views is what makes this country great. However, we would not and nor should we expect to see our elected officials speaking to fringe groups that espouse views that are contrary to the core beliefs of our country. Whose patriotism could really be brought into question? Would it make a difference if this Alaskan group promoted communism rather that independence? Would there be more outrage then?
I truly was a McCain supporter. Not anymore. “I would rather win a war than lose an election” has been replaced by “I would rather win an election. Period.” He is not the same man anymore. And that makes me more than a little nervous.

Posted by: nyopath | September 10, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

to nyopath:
Call your local Obama’s office and volunteer. that is all we can do right now. I am, for the first time in my life, at the age of 56 volunteering and giving money…If Obama loses this, we are in really, really big trouble. I really do not want to move to another country, but McCain/Palin would do it for me.

Posted by: jaleh | September 10, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

It will be interesting to see what Charley Gibson handles the interview. The way he attacked Obama in the debates shows his bias. I sure it will be softball time. Mccain group choose Gibson for a starter because they know she will get a pass.

Posted by: Jerry | September 10, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

I, and I think anyone should, give Obama a lot of credit for this. I have not YET seen the GOP say ANYTHING positive throughout this entire election. They STILL haven’t even said how they’re going to fix all of our problems. They’re too selfish and spiteful to say anything nice and for that I think obama deserves a lot of credit, he won’t sink to their level of “Rove politics”.

Posted by: GO O | September 10, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

The GOP is keeping Palin away from the heavy hitting reporters because she is UNQUALIFIED and it will come out. Let’s see her with Chris Matthews. Gibson will handle her like a baby, why bother watch it?

Posted by: Go O | September 10, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

I have already sent a letter to the View concerning Elizabeth’s remarks at the McCain luncheon regarding Cindy McCain being so nice and cooperative, allowing anything goes whereas she insinuated that Michelle Obama was just the opposite with that nasty condesending voice of Elizabeth. Now, all we need is C. Gibson to lob some soft ball questions at Palin and that will be all she wrote for the American public to say no more ABC TV. I am aware of hundreds on the internet who are going to watch this very closely. So he needs to treat her just as he would Obama or Biden. We will see.

Posted by: Sandy Shahwan | September 10, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Not only would a McCain administration be a third Bush term, but there would be added minions: Joe Lieberman would probably be Secretary of Defense. The Democrats don’t want him, and I think he would like Defense better than becoming a Republican Senator. He would bring along all of the Bush neocons. Cheney might even get an assignment. Come on people.

Posted by: Meah Bottoms | September 10, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Sarah Palin is not a champion of Republican values. Records show how counter-intuitive her beliefs are to the established Republican tenets. She is vehemently anti-choice on abortion. Republican doctrine promotes individual choice over government intervention; ‘…we believe in Limited Government always subservient to the electorate…’ Palin is a proponent of the creationism curriculum in public schools, while the tenets iterate the danger of injecting personal belief into public policy; ‘We eschew the hypocrisy of imposing personal doctrines or dogma as bounden for political convictions…’ Gov. Palin publicly supported federally-funded infrastructure projects in Alaska. Established Republican maxims decry pork barrel spending; ‘…plundering of the public treasuries by “pork” or “earmarks” which so shamefully corrupt the halls of power…’ The attempted firing of local and state officials is a glaring contradiction to the fifth tenet. ‘…we believe in Political Integrity, the right to criticize; to hold beliefs; to protest…’ Sarah Palin’s recent Vice Presidential acceptance speech illuminates the contrariety of her actions to Republican convictions; ‘We remain prohibited from obtaining electoral victory on the backs of the Four Horsemen of Calumny: Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear…’ Gov. Palin’s record on the environment is in stark juxtaposition to GOP philosophy, including dissention on endangered species classification, denial of scientific global climate change findings, and support for expanded oil and gas exploration; ‘we shall conserve and maintain our environment not for the exploitation to satisfy greed of the elite but for the universal benefit all people, including generations yet to come.’

Posted by: Mike | September 10, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

“we are a nation of believers” – I beg to differ! I am not a believer, and I’ve got values and morals and am just as American as Obama or McCain.
The point is not that we are or are not believers, but it is not the governments business to be our moral police.
And if McCain/Palin will use religiosity as qualification for office (moral uprightness) then they might as well walk and stamp their feet on the constitution which has not a single mention of the word God in it!

Posted by: Ana, Boston | September 10, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

“Contrary to what Karl Rove would have you believe, repeating lies over and over again does not make them true.”
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That, my friend, happens to be a rational statement. This campaign is not about reason…or issues. The lunatics will see to that, and don’t you forget it.
This campaign is about tricking and triggering millions of irrational and deeply ignorant people to vote against their own best interests so that the self-anointed ‘elite’ can continue to exercise an increasingly repressive power over the rest of us…who don’t happen to be as willing to play the game of lying, cheating and stealing in order to destroy the lives of others.
In short, it’s a clear campaign to enshrine fascism as the basic ruling principle of American society. Installing another bumbling moron in the White House is just a by-product of that effort.
If we’re very lucky, the Rovian plan for the destruction and recreation of American society as a fascist oligarchy won’t succeed (this time) but it will certainly be a close call until the end.

Posted by: Martel | September 10, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

The important question is…do you uphold the separation between church and state. It would seem to me that Palin’s wish to teach creationism in schools is crossing that line.
Bravo to Barack for trying to rise above the pettiness and Rove tactics…But hear this loud and clear – we will not fault you for fighting back HARD. Distortions (read the exact quote that Obama used regarding the old adage about putting lipstick on a pig), manipulations and outright lies that swiftboat a candidate are insulting to our intelligence.
Just as the Republican party delights in making the term “Liberal” a dirty word, we (the voters) need to start using their playbook and calling the “new” Republican platform (which no longer resembles the party of my grandparents) for what it truly is…RADICAL!

Posted by: Lisa | September 10, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

WHY DO THE MEDIA CONTINUE TO TRANSCRIBE OBAMA IN THE VERNACULAR?
“Gonna” = “going to”
Have the decency to transcribe accurately. This isn’t a Faulkner novel. This is journalism. You are making Obama out to look thuggish and YOU KNOW IT.

Posted by: pablito | September 10, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

SuzyQ_TX, Ann Richards would have proudly backed Barack Obama. Speaking of great Texas women, I do wish Molly Ivins was still here to slice through to the truth.

Posted by: obamamama | September 10, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Mark Halperin said on CNN last night and Ted Koppel repeated this morning on Diane Rheam that the media is asleep at the wheel during this campaign. This story is proof of that. Instead of reporting on real issues, like the fact that Iraq is not going so well and that the Shiite government has begun arresting the Sunni militias that the US pays to keep the peace, or that much of John McCain’s stump speech or campaign rhetoric consists of lies that have been proven to be lies by independent groups (for example that he will cut taxes and Obama raise them–which has been disproven by independent review) we have this kind of nonsense. The only difference between this story and most of what has been “reported” lately is that this is not a McCain talking point. Clearly, Halperin and Koppel’s criticisms have fallen on deaf ears.

Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 10, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

If McCain’s gutter politics in his campaign reveal his true deceitful personality, what will stop him from lying to us throughout his Presidency?
As we found with Bush, campaign lies and mistruths quickly led to lies and mistruths in office.

Posted by: somerseten | September 10, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Cindyp, Joe Biden did *not* call Palin a pig. He used a metaphor, “putting lipstick on a pig,” to describe how the campaign was trying to make attractive those facts which were unattractive. That’s what the expression *means*. You never heard him call her a pig. Please stop listening to second- and third-hand sources and please pay attention to what people actually say and the context. This is an important skill if one is to be a useful citizen.

Posted by: wpreston | September 10, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Cindyp, Joe Biden did *not* call Palin a pig. He used a metaphor, “putting lipstick on a pig,” to describe how the campaign was trying to make attractive those facts which were unattractive. That’s what the expression *means*. (if you had read my comment you would have understood that I said Johnny MCSAME did that more than once) You never heard him call her a pig. Please stop listening to second- and third-hand sources and please pay attention to what people actually say and the context. ( I pay very close attention to the actual facts not repuke spin. Johnny MCBUSH has been disrespectful to Hillary and did it first. Can we get back to actual issues instead of this fake outrage over nonsense?)This is an important skill if one is to be a useful citizen. (I am a very useful citizen. Learn to read and pay attention to what was actually said not repuke spin)

Posted by: cindyp | September 10, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Obama has to find a way to counter those who are worried that he will merely support “minority” interests. Of course, it’s crazy that Obama has to reassure in this way (he couldn’t win the election, if he were running as the minority candidate) but many Palin supporters feel a connection.
I saw an article in the letter from two female supporters of McCain/Palin. One woman was in her 50s; the other in her 60s. They said that they were lukewarm to McCain until he picked Palin. One went so far to say that she wouldn’t vote for Obama because she didn’t trust him. Of course, this raises the question: How can you trust Palin when you’ve only known her for 10 days? Obviously, they like her because they can identify with her.
The only way that Obama can win in such an election is to keep hammering away at Palin’s record. He has to keep making it clear that her positions and policies do not address the concerns of poor whites. He also has to keep reminding them that they did not fair well under Bush — another politician whom they can identify with.
Finally, in the debates, Obama has to destroy McCain. He cannot afford to be nice. If McCain is left standing after these series of debates, then older white voters will find reason to vote for him.

Posted by: PA-VA | September 10, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Bitterindependent asks: when is palin going to get interviewed without karl rove pulling her string?
Certainly not when Charlie Gibson’s interviewing her. I expect Karl’s already handed him his questions — with the answers filled in by Steve Schmidt.

Posted by: Anotherbitterindependent | September 10, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

You people who are voting for McCain and Palin are idiots. It i clear, I am sorry- someone has to tell you, you are making a huge mistake. Wait and see, but i do not want to. You elected Bush but this time it is even worse you cannot even learn a lesson, so yes you make absolutely no common sense. FOR the decency of mankind vote smart.

Posted by: Liza Nicklaus | September 10, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Exactly and all this blabber about polls. It is about the electoral college delegate count and ole Johnny McBush is wayyy behind in that.

Posted by: cindyp | September 10, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

People do not trust Obama, bottom line, this country is still racist. It sucks. Wake up everyone in doubt. please he is brilliant and actually has a plan to pull us out of this mess. If he were white it would be 80% Barack.
We are in deep crap if mccain gets elected goodbye womens rights, goodbye environment, goodbye endangered species list, goodbye middle class, goodbye civility, forget what will happen with us in foreign relations, perhaps more wars. it is really sad that people are falling for this. I actually cannot believe it at all. It is sickness, this country has a sickness of trusting people who play dirty and lie. Because she is white and pretty and is like a school principle. that is why they trust her. Obama is smarter than they are and darker, wait, that scares them.

Posted by: Liza Nicklaus | September 10, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

To David Serra Sr who writes: “biden needs to explain hows hes conected to the bankruptcy bill of 2005 his son who is a bank lobbist and this bail out this is costing us billions and it started with the bill biden sponsered”
Better watch your step here. Shades of Charles Keating, McCain’s son’s bank just failed.
Here’s the AP newsflash:
Nevada State Bank of Las Vegas will take over the insured deposits of Silver State — which had $2 billion in assets and $1.7 billion in deposits at the end of June…
John McCain’s son, Andrew, who is also CFO of his mom’s beer distributorship, “sat on the boards of Silver State Bank and of its parent, Silver State Bancorp… Andrew McCain also was a member of the bank’s audit committee, responsible for oversight of the company’s accounting.”
The failure — which was caused by “poor-quality loans primarily related to real estate development” — will cost the FDIC deposit insurance fund between “$450 million [and] $550 million,” according to AP. Silver State’s motto was “When the casinos treat you poorly, let Silver State treat you like a valued customer,” according to its website.

Posted by: anotherbitterindependent | September 10, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

this pig in lipstick thing is just another example of the republican party playing dirty. I remember when i was little and my brother would kick me under the table and get me upset, then i would get in trouble for being upset, he never did it face to face or for others to see. they play like bullies that are 5 years old.
they lie over and over on tv and people are up in arms about the lipstick comment. wtf.
she will not even candidly interview to her own supporters, what does that tell you, she cannot think on her feet. how is she going to negotiate foreign policy???? what are you guys thinking , if you want to shop at walmart with her and go out for coffee fine, but do NOT ELECT HER>

Posted by: Liza Nicklaus | September 10, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

This election is quickly turning into a debate about trivia. And with the help of the media!
The media need to examine the candidates’ positions on economy, war, education, taxes, etc.

Posted by: abiodun | September 10, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Well, normally I’d agree with Obama about this, except that there are reports of a witness who says that in 1997 Palin was “filled with the spirit of the Lord” and began to speak in tongues. Now, she can practice any religion she wants. But I have real doubts about putting in the White House any person who is periodically overcome with the spirit and starts talking in tongues. Does she play with snakes, too? I know that’s a Pentacostal tradition as well. I think in view of her church activities that this is a legitimate debate.

Posted by: Working in Texas | September 10, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

See what I mean about the media spin, Obama hs always said kids and families are off limits, but the media mis construes this to the public as if Obama has run the negative campaign that the Mcsam/rove alliance has…
i am so sick of the lies from the RNC and the distraction fomt he issues, they cannot win on issues..they have no clue or really do not care

Posted by: MARIO | September 10, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

Typical–the media coverage is skewing everything to Obama’s disadvantage. There was that recent study that showed that the media coverage of Obama has been 76% negative, whereas their coverage of McCain has been 47% negative. When we end up with another four years of ruin, we will know who to blame–the media. So, since Sarah refuses to talk to the press, why aren’t they making hay out of her mistaken remarks this weekend about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Talk about a really PERTINENT gaffe! Here is solid proof that she hasn’t a clue about any topics other than drilling and moose!

Posted by: midwesthousewife | September 10, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

back to issues i will not read another report about lies and eception unless it is un coverning the truth.
the news is scared of the RNC, they are afraid because they think they will be fired like Tom Brokay or Phil donahue….
the media is afraid of the RNC..it is clear if they are not afraid why are they complicit in bad/horiffic reporting of the issues

Posted by: MARIO | September 10, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Folks you are witnessing the inside destruction of thought in the Unites States. Intelligence is no longer important. America should be ashamed of itself. John McCain has run a subtley racist campaign, I’m white and I see it. I’m sick and tired of people skating around this issue. John McCain’s campaign has called him the Mesiah, different, it’s DISGUSTING. But hey, America deserves what it get when it votes. You were told Bush is like us. The multi-millionaire oil man is like us? And you believe it. You were told he was conservative. (Sound familiar) Conservative? We have the largest debt in the HISTORY of the entire world. You were told gay marriage was SCAREY. Guess what? More states have gay marriage after Bush than before Bush. Did abortions decrease under Republicans? NAW! We wouldn’t wanna protect! Idiots. Wake up or our days as a world power are over. Billions of cracks in the US ceiling. If you can’t see this, you deserve what’s coming.

Posted by: Patrick | September 10, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Palin is the one who started the lipstick thing, Obama made a sarcastic reference to her incompetance as a possible VP, that is different from saying that Palin is a pig. If you want to talk about sexism, I think it is pretty sexist of McCain to parade her around and use her as a prop to distract us from his near-empty campaign. Thats just my opinion, though…

Posted by: Christy | September 10, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

So, Jake, here is how responsible news media do it. Why don’t you send this list of questions from the Anchorage Daily News to your bud, Charlie?
Here are some of the questions Palin should be answering, for Alaskans and the rest of the country:
• You present yourself as a Republican maverick who took on your own party’s corrupt political establishment. In November’s election, your party is running an indicted U.S. Senator, Ted Stevens, who is awaiting trial on charges he accepted more than $250,000 of unreported gifts from the state’s most powerful lobbyist. Will you vote for his opponent? Will you urge Alaskans to help you change Washington and vote him out of office? If not, why not?
• Sen. Ted Stevens’ trial is still pending; he has declined to say whether he would accept a pardon from President Bush before Bush leaves office in January. Do Alaska voters deserve an answer to that question before they cast their vote for or against Stevens in November? What is your position on a president pardoning a public official before a jury has ruled on guilt or innocence?
• Alaska Congressman Don Young appears to have won his Republican primary, even though you endorsed his opponent. Will you vote for your fellow Republican Don Young, who has spent over $1 million on legal fees without telling his constituents what sort of legal trouble he is in?
• Why have you reneged on your earlier pledge to cooperate with the Alaska Legislature’s investigation into Troopergate?
• In spring of 2004, the Daily News reported that you cited family considerations in deciding not to try for the U.S. Senate: “How could I be the team mom if I was a U.S. senator?” What was different this time as you decided to run for vice president?
• As governor of Alaska, you have not pushed for laws or regulations that put your personal views on abortion, same-sex marriage and creationism into public policy. As vice president, will you push to outlaw abortion, restrict same-sex marriage and require the teaching of creationism?
• If you were a fully qualified vice-presidential candidate from the get-go, why did you wait more than 10 days to face reporters?
• McCain spokesman Rick Davis told Fox News the media didn’t show you enough “deference.” How much deference do you expect to get from Vladimir Putin or Hugo Chavez?
• You have said victory is in sight in Iraq. In July 2007, when you visited Kuwait, you said, “I’m not going to judge the surge.” In the March 2007 issue of Alaska Business Monthly, you were asked about the surge and quoted saying:
“I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq. . . . While I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place.”
Define “victory” in Iraq? What is the exit plan?
BOTTOM LINE: The nation deserves to hear Palin’s unfiltered answers to serious questions.

Posted by: Midwesthousewife | September 10, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Why aren’t they talking about Palin billing her state a per diem charge for staying at her own home? And flying her family all over the place and billing the state for it? If we did this we would be FIRED from our jobs. When this subject was brought up on Morning Joe this a.m. Pat Buchanan dismissed it because the truth was boring! It was funner to go after this stupid lipstick story ad nauseam.

Posted by: DemoDonna | September 10, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

What I see over and over again in comments about this article are OBVIOUS McCain supporters that are saying Obama is hiding something by saying family should be off limits. These are the same people the screamed and whined when the media frenzy was about Palen throwing her pregnant, unwed, teenage daughter under the campaign bus. The same people that screamed and whined about every other personal detail that’s come out about McCain or Palin each time it’s made the rounds. So Family is off limits when it’s their candidates family, but when it’s the dems candidate it a question about what are they hiding.
More of the same. Republican double standards. Until you people can suck it up and play an adult game, as if you’re adults instead of whining children, nobody will take you seriously.

Posted by: landlocked | September 10, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

JohnTX—I’m sorry. What interviews of Sarah Palin are you talking about? All I have seen are stump speeches where she is using telepromters.

Posted by: Belinda | September 10, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

I’m sick of this notion that all of our officeholders have to swear up and down that they’re totally devout Christians. There was a reason that the separation of Church and State was built into the constitution — have we thrown that down the toilet with the rest of that poor old document? Sarah Palin’s religious beliefs obviously DO influence her political behavior, so they do need to be part of any halfway rigorous political dialogue surrounding her nomination and campaign.

Posted by: Amalie | September 10, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

Go to this web address and tell John McCain to fire Steve Schmidt. he is the one responsible for destroying a true patriot, John McCain.
Schmidt is one of Rove’s henchmen and will do anything to get someone into office. He has a satanic ability to rile up the perpetually pissed off right.

Posted by: Alex Farnsley | September 10, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

Also, it’s the people who tried to flip the “lipstick on a pig” remark into a reference to Sarah Palin who needed to apologize to her, not Sen. Obama. My grandmother used to say that, and all it means is that B.S. is B.S., no matter how you try to disguise it. Only a complete moron or drooling political opportunist (not that the two are mutually exclusive) would think that use of the word “lipstick” in that downhome saying makes it a sexist attack. And the media actually bothered to give that airtime is just another example (and we had enough, thanks) of how the Fourth Estate has officially thrown their responsibilities out the window in favor of ratings — the big networks have no more journalistic integrity than the National Enquirer at this point.

Posted by: Amalie | September 10, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

All that the word “maverick” means to Republicans is “risky”. John McCain, like George W. Bush, takes risks which are the result of untreated PTSD. Anyone who knows a dysfunctional person understands that they bring chaos and tumult into their own lives and everyone else’s around them, because it recreates the conditions whereby they’ve learned to find a sense of comfort.
It’s a paradox, and something that you’ll see in all kinds of addictive personalities, too.

Posted by: Jane C. | September 10, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

What a great candidate.
I know in 4 years I won’t be telling everyone I am sorry about my vote.
I am sorry that I was a Bush backer in 2000.

Posted by: Blip | September 10, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

ENOUGH ALREADY – Palin is being used by McCain to gain votes and nothing more – he knows no more about her than the rest of us does that’s why she’s not allowed to talk to the Media – she’s being schooled and preped on what answers to give to the Media when eventually questioned and people in Alaska are being threatened in regards to speaking with the Media – this is such policital bull crap – this country will continue to suffer economically and healthwise if they allow this crap to be shoved down their throats and elect McCain/Palin.

Posted by: hmb | September 10, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Please note: Obama DID “have a talk” with Moveon and the other left-wing 527′s and told them not to run negative ads. Moveon, at least, has stopped and is totally focused on organizing grass-roots canvassing and registration.

Posted by: Martimr1 | September 10, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Smoke and Mirrors. All of this is great entertainment and, admittedly, a bit addictive. But it does indeed distract us from the real issues.
My hope is that all of us in swing states can put as much energy into getting out the vote and debating the issues as we are tempted to put into this gossip and Carl Rove/Jerry Springer style political carnival act. If we don’t, the far right wing of the Republican party will win the day and the rest of us will get what we deserve- four more years of this nonsense!!

Posted by: Concerned Voter | September 10, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

Unfortunately, he’s expecting the McCain campaign to appreciate his remarks and concur. Instead, they will take them out of context and somehow, try to use them against him and his campaign.
I think it’s awful that the McCain campaign doesn’t think in this economic state of the country that we deserve to know everything about him and his running mate, Sarah Palin; their religious and any other potentially social impacting beliefs; and their specific plans for the country as to our safety and getting out of this mess. It’s also terribly disappointing and scary that his supporters, my fellow citizens, – who mostly are experiencing some sort of hardship in this economy like the rest of Americans – are not demanding the same. Are you truly ok w/his selection being more of a political move to win an election than choosing someone who could get us out of this situation?
I am in that income and tax bracket that usually votes Republican. However, I have never voted party line. I truly try to do my research to evaluate each candidate on their potential to do what’s best for the country as a whole. In fact, that research and my experience have proven to me that when the higher income people are paying an adequate share of taxes, the country as a whole does great.
Regardless of your party or candidate choice, WE DESERVE TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM AND THEIR PLANS FOR THE COUNTRY. After all, they will not be the Pres and Vice Pres for the Repubs or Dems, but for all of us.
Let’s join together and demand that both sides stop the dirty politics that only benefit the MSM ratings and stick to the issues.

Posted by: pabw | September 10, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Karl Rove is pretty smart, no? He’s doing a step-by-step ratchet up of the pressure on the Dems. He’s the brains behind this. Just like 2000 and 2004. Yep, we know precisely what’s going on here. The oligarchs rule and they’re pulling the strings. They have the Republicans where they want them – and in most cases, ARE Republicans. They have the money, the media, know how to FRAME EVERY ISSUE, and they KNOW without a doubt that the vast majority of Americans are illiterate, medicated and out of touch with reality. How many fundies jumped right on board once Palin was picked. TENS OF MILLIONS of fundies ready to be led to slaughter.
They are depending on that. Our country finally got large enough to have a critical mass of overfed airheads pulling levers against their very own interests because of the appalling public school system and people’s inability to finish college. They won! The oligarchs are in power to stay!
And they will stay in power as our standard of living continues to dwindle until we’re just like the Chinese or a banana republic: worked to death, no political rights, figureheads at the helm, dismal healthcare, etc. You name it. We’re headed right in that direction. And YOU helped do it. Yes, YOU! You voted against yourself because you were too stupid to bother to think. Rational thought is far too ‘elitist’, thus YOU f*cked yourself. BWAHAHA. You get precisely what you deserve. You wanted a nation of ‘tards. Well, you got it. And you put them in positions to put knives right into your backs. Good for you!
Guess what? The American experiment is OVER. 100% over. The so-called American Dream is a exactly that. A dream.

Posted by: Mark | September 10, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Reasonable pigs everywhere are insulted….

Posted by: Jimmy Dean | September 10, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

As I know it, McCain himself and one of his surrogates have used the same set of words before. For them to be making this an issue here is simply politics by other means–i.e., by manufacturing a crisis for their own political end. Don’t forget who is running McCain’s campaign–Lobbyists (seven of the, Karl Rove, Rove proteges, and other Bush operatives. They even wrote Palin acceptance speach! Just more of the same, or worse! AMERICA, WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER. MCCAIN WILL TAKE US TO WW III–unless we act nowto stop his politics of deceipt. Be warned. Don’t say later you didn’t know this would happen. Older suburban women, think about the future of your children. Young people, think about the kind of future you would like to live in. Do it now!

Posted by: Dr. Sam | September 10, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Why is Obama constantly being so magnanimous with those people? He turns the other cheek and they hit him with the other fist. Enough already.
Don’t defend Palin OR her kids. Do as they do, stay silent when other people are attacking your enemy. The American voting public has shown its too stupid to appreciate magnaminity and only mistakes nobility for weakness.
Can anyone imagine McCain or Palin or any Republican coming to his defense over a perceived or manufactured slight or inaccuracy?
The stakes in this election are WAY to high to let this thing slip away – again!

Posted by: Had Enough in MI | September 10, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Obama’s statement was either stupid/sexist/brutal, if deliberate, or just stupid, if not deliberate. Stupid because he should have expected a backlash given Gov Palin’s speech comments about lipstick. Neither stupid nor stupid/sexist/brutal are traits I want to see in my president.

Posted by: Dthompson | September 10, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

McCain and Co. have used the same set of words before. By making it an issue now, they are simply playing politics by other means–i.e., by manufacturing a crisis for their own political end. Don’t forget who is running McCain’s campaign–Lobbyists (seven of them), Karl Rove, Rove proteges, and other Bush operatives. They even wrote Palin’s acceptance speach! They are giving us more of the same type of politics that in the past created much division in the country. They don’t want to talk about issues nor are they willing to consider your real concerns.AMERICA, WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER. MCCAIN WILL TAKE US TO WW III–unless we act now to stop his politics of deceipt. Be warned. Don’t say later you didn’t know this would happen. Older suburban women, think about the future of your children. Young people, think about the kind of future you would like to live in. Do it now! If we play dumb this time, we will again elect the wrong people.

Posted by: Dr. Sam | September 10, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Karl Rove Republicans are heathens, not deserving of redemption. What they deserve is 25 to life!

Posted by: kc | September 10, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

All day long I’ve been watching MSNBC and CNN about this lipstick remark. The McCain apologists are outraged at Obama’s use of a saying that McCain himself used about Hilary’s healthcare plan. Outraged and calling him sexist and his supporters sexists also, bringing up the “sweety” remark. Obama apologized for that remark. An apology here is uncalled for.
Should the Obama people be outraged when Westmoreland of Georgia called Barrack and Michelle “uppity”? How did HE think those words would be interpreted coming from a southern white man? What about when King of Iowa said because Obama’s middle name is Hussein that if he were elected the terrorists around the world would be dancing in the streets? Did he mean that Obama was their leader, that Obama is a terrorist? Then Geoff Davis of Kentucky (like the name) said that he couldn’t sleep at night if he knew that “boy’s” finger was on the trigger. “Boy”? What does that connotate when referred to a man of color? The Obama campaign could charge the McCain campaign with racism, but they haven’t. When Republicans refer to Obama as elitist, that’s their code word for “uppity”. No code book is necessary to explain the use of the term “boy” referring to an African-American.

Posted by: Arnold of Illinois | September 10, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

MK, give me a break. That was a bit totalitarian, care to sensor me?

Posted by: Dthompson | September 10, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

I support Obama, and will vote for him, but I hate it when he says things like “This is a nation of believers, and I’m one of them, and we may not agree on every single aspect of our faith, but what we can agree to is that faith is important in our lives and it shapes our values, and we should be respectful of each other’s faiths.”
I love my fellow man, my wife, and the earth. But I am an atheist, and I do NOT agree that “faith is important in our lives.” I mean, I agree that it is important in SOME people’s lives, and that is fine. But it is not important in MY life.
How about “We may not always agree when it comes to matters of faith, but what we can agree to is that we should be respectful of each other’s personal beliefs.” That would be more inclusive.

Posted by: Matt from L.A. | September 10, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

McCain-Palin – disingenuous dispensers of distractions and despair.
Like churlish children they squeal and point their fingers. And they feel they are capable of leading our beloved country out of where we are after 8 long years of he whose name shall not be uttered (Bush)?
Newsflash – McCain represents a continuation of the same. And Palin? Who knows what she believes in other than fundamental creationist Christianity, the rapture, and Alaska as the gathering point for those to be saved.
That’s interesting. It’s not appropriate for the leader or second in line to lead the free world, but perhaps for one of the least populated states of the union it’s fine. Please wake up America.

Posted by: Tom McCarey | September 10, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Ditto, Matt from L.A. I want to hear the Constitutional scholar who’s running for President reaffirming the establishment clause, not asking us to play nice with his opponent’s theocrat running mate.

Posted by: TheOutsider | September 10, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Strategy: The issue of “The Issues”
Obama has been citing this over and over: If you’ve got “John McCain voting 90 percent of the time in agreement with George Bush then you probably don’t want to talk about the issues…” We’ve heard this over and over. Then he rattles off the laundry list of the issues that, according to any polling source, we, as Americans, really do care about: the economy, jobs, health care, global warming, etc., etc…
But I am talking about “The Issues” [tm], here, collectively, and not the individual components. Obama has spoken until he’s been blue in the face every day for months about his desire (and a genuine one, at that) to talk about “The Issues” [tm], but McCain’s camp said “Nay.” Campaign Rick Davis declared, bluntly, to the Washington Post, “This election is not about issues.”
What??? What self-respecting American of either political party could possibly let that proclamation go unnoticed? What would any forefather of this country have to say about any runner for office even hinting at such a direct perversion of the principles we were founded upon? It would not be pretty, I can assert with confidence.
Obama, take on the issue of “The Issues!” [tm] You own it, they’ve forfeited it. Show Americans that you’re serious about this “issue” – what you’ve been talking about since day one… your simple desire to clear away the daily ball of slime politics, be it lipsticked pigs or depraved exaggerations of child protection law, or whatever will come up tomorrow or the next day or the next as the distraction machine rolls onward… your simple desire to discuss “The Issues!” [tm] without wasting precious time with the constant, intentional distractions from the other team.
Keep calling them out on it – and strongly! Make it clear they’ve made a decision to abandon “The Issues” [tm] from their strategy and to rely on who-looks-better and cultural, novelty politics. They don’t want time spent on “The Issues.” [tm]
“The Issues” [tm] have not won elections for the past eight years and I think this time, finally, we have a chance. And if he can pull it off, he’d be doing the greatest service to our future political discourse – to win back the debate and prove, once and for all, that “Yes, we can” WIN on the issues and put the Rovian trash politics to rest somewhere in a dark spot in the annals of history.

Posted by: PatrickToday | September 10, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

I can’t wait for the debates to begin. I hope Obama raises one point or makes one true statement about John McCain that would just send him into orbit! Then people will see how “quick on the trigger” he is and what a hothead he can be. Then maybe they’ll think twice about voting for a man who is out of control!

Posted by: Alan Coleman | September 10, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

I like Obama’s continued ability to stay on the polite/nice side of politics and sticking to facts but Americans need to read THE FAMILY by Jeff Sharlet to understand that with many right wing power seekers, these beliefs are potentially quite bad for this country. Dominionists should be challenged and folks who think they are ordained by God should be excluded from office. Fortunately the Constitution seems to contain the tools we need to maintain this divide but let us at least distinguish between spirituality and religion. Palin sounds more zealous than spiritual so far. Following a religion does not a good person make necessarily.

Posted by: biggreenpea | September 10, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

As an ex-republican, I’m not surprised by the arrogant dishonesty of the RNC, but I’m disappointed to see John McCain follow in the Carl Rove mold. I used to believe (Year 2000) that he was better than that style of dis-honest political discourse. It’s amazing to me that winning the presidency for McCain has cost him his sole. I did precinct work for Barry Golwater (an honest man), who McCain has said in the past…Goldwater was one of his heroes. I no longer believe McCain to be an honest man! And, I now believe that George Bush’s criticism of McCain’s temperment was a valid reason to vote against McCain. I will vote for Barack Obama!

Posted by: roger d-california | September 10, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

Palin’s church does matter. It supports anti-Semitism.

Posted by: GrandmaRose | September 10, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

As a lifelong Dem and current Obama supporter, I can state unequivocally that I am pro-life. I believe that’s EXACTLY how long Karl Rove’s sentence should be.

Posted by: Spiffarino | September 10, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

why is Obama being apologetic on anything, if anything its the Mccain’s who is smearing all lies all the time in his ads. Obama needs to hit’em hard stop being soft and don’t stop others hitting on Mccain.

Posted by: tony | September 10, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

It is an unholy union between the evangelical groups and the republicans that is anything but Christian.

Posted by: Holy Moses | September 10, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

I find it humorous how the GOP spin machine is trying to turn Palin’s lemon into lemonade.
Biden and Obama voted for the “Bridge to Nowhere!”
Here’s the difference, geniuses: Biden and Obama aren’t on the stump telling you every day they voted against it.
I know you GOPers count on the stupidity of the average American to get elected but this is way too stupid, even by your standards.

Posted by: Spiffarino | September 10, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Why is it when Obama changes his mind/opinion on an issue the liberally bias media calls it a flip-flop but when the republicans flip-flop, like with the bridge to nowhere, they call it a lie?
Are these Obama Flip-Flops or Lies:
Rev Wright – I can no more disown him than I can the black community. Then a month later he disowned both Rev Wright and his church.
Illegal immigration – First he opposed cracking down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants, now he supports it.
Marijuana – First he supported the decriminalization of marijuana now he opposes it.
Cuba Embargo – First he said “to end the embargo with Cuba” now he wants to continue it.
Public Financing – Obama became the first candidate to reject public financing for the general election after earlier promises to accept it.
Gun Control – First Obama endorsed a handgun ban now he supports “an individual right to bear arms”.
Smoking – Obama promised his wife he would quit smoking when she negotiated an agreement in which he would give up smoking in exchange for her support as a Presidential aspirant. Obama broke that promise and was still smoking through his own admission as of Aug. and probably still is. This not only demonstrates a lack of character for not keeping his word and lying to the media about it, but also shows a lack of will power, self discipline, self-control, self-regard, dignity and intelligence.

Posted by: Ruth | September 10, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

Umm maybe because changing of minds and outright bald faced lies are two entirely different things. We don’t want to start on all the things that McBush has “changed his mind on” or do we?

Posted by: cindyp | September 10, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

Actually, I have listened to those tapes, and low and behold, Biden NEVER called Palin a pig. Of course, if someone wants to make something out of nothing, they can do it, but never expect me, a Republican to think dissembling is as good thing to do. This sort of statement about Biden calling Palin a Pig is just silly. Palin brought up the lipstick and pig analogy so try to understand Palin IS responsible for her statements and distorting his statement about her statment about a pig is truly nothing more than a lie.

Posted by: Mari | September 10, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

I am a life long Republican, but I am utterly appalled at what the party has become. I am voting for Obama. John McCain should be ashamed of himself. He has totally squandered the deep respect I used to hold for him. He has dishonored himself and the party. Straight talk?!?!?!
I will be registering as an Independent in the future.

Posted by: Mike | September 10, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

As a swing voter who has given money to the Obama campaign twice, I am now sorry that I gave money to Obama. He is wasting valuable time spinning stories about pigs with lipstick and what he really meant. Please, we all know exactly what he meant.
He should talk about his plans and not address such banal garbage thrown about by the media.
As for sexism? The media fried Hillary and now they are doing it to Palin.
It’s really a shame to see the double standard that still exists for women in the work force, even if it’s in politics.
Early this year, I continually urged fellow Republicans to consider voting for Obama, that was prior to the Rev. Wright scandal and the revelation regarding his many seedy associations.
It is so ironic, that Obama’s supporters are so critical of Palin’s lack of experience, when she in fact has far more executive decision making experience then he has had.
The other concern that i have for obama is the fact that despite his very rare appearances in the Senate, he voted present over 132 times. This is unacceptable. Either he is extremely indecisive, or he refused to take a position because he didn’t want to have to later defend an unpopular position.
In either case, it’s more than troubling and very revealing as to his nature of character and integrity.
Between the outrageous comments of his “mentor” Rev. Wright, and his former terrorist bomber friends, many Americans have been drunk on Obama Koolaide.
I am off the Koolaide and will NOT be supporting Obama. I want a first lady who has been proud to be an American at least more than once in her life.
At this point I am leaning toward voting for Ralph Nader. I like Sara Palin and I don’t like waht the media is doing to her. it’s like watching a witch hunt from the dark ages.
Obama’s speech this morning even said “it’s a game we play…it’s a sport.”
Time to play a different sport Obama.
YOU HAVE LOST MY VOTE!!!!

Posted by: hopeful08 | September 10, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

To answer the question about why is what Palin saying about the Bridge to Nowhere a lie and not a flip flop is that a flip flop is question of taking a position on something… “I voted for something then changed my mind.”
I politicians “change their minds” all the time. Both Obama and McCain have done this. They are Senators and people change their opinions over time, so that is too be expected.
What Palin did was flat out claim that she was against the bridge to nowhere then continue to repeat that claim even when it was shown that she actively supported it when she ran for Governor. So there is a difference in changing your position as opposed to falsely claiming that you did something you did not in fact do.
Unfortunately for Gov. Palin, she did one thing worse than just lie about the bridge. She kept the $230MM that the Federal government gave her for the bridge. So that moves her claim that she was against the bridge and has fought earmarks into the category of a whopper.

Posted by: Todd | September 10, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

For the last time: The context in which Obama used the “lipstick on a pig” figure of speech was purely about McCain’s policies. Palin wasn’t mentioned in the sentences before or after.
Her telling the lipstick and pit bull joke did not get her first right of refusal on all further uses of the word “lipstick” in the campaign.

Posted by: Threegoal | September 10, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

Great, this is really good. Now put an end the to sexist overtones too.

Posted by: irma | September 10, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

So if Johnny McSame is so concerned about the sexism (after having started it with Hillary Clinton) why does this faux concern not translate to supporting equal pay for equal work laws? Let’s go to actual issues.

Posted by: cindyp | September 10, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

Dear Ruth:
Obviously you are uninformed on how often McCain has changed his feeble old mind. He flip flops on everything from his policies to his wives. Right now there are 70 issues on which McCain has supported both sides. UNBELIEVABLE. He changes his stance on any given issue based solely on how much mileage his career will gain. He will do anything to get elected. Before posting another argument for this fraud, please bring yourself up to speed by reserching his diabolical record. Start here.
doubletalkexpress.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/updated-mccains-70-flip-flops-and-counting/

Posted by: Gloria P. | September 10, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

you have not reported todds response to mr obamas political posturing you quote here.
the unthankugram i heard about from todd to barack told him to mind his own business since he had aleady shown off his girls on oprah and other national media where they indicated their father was a whiner? you will have access to this exact info where i do not
thanks sincerely for reporting the exact quote.
sincerely, raymond

Posted by: ray | September 30, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

OK LETS SEE OBAMA HAS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT OH THATS RIGHT HE DISOWNED HIM. (REALLY) UH! LETS SEE HOW ABOUT WEATHERMEN RADICAL BILL AYERS,OH HOW ABOUT HIS DEEP ASSO. WITH ACORN TIES TO VOTER FRAUD. OBAMA IS A LIER AND FLIPFLOPS ALL THE TIME.AND HOW ABOUT HIM SAYING BLUE COLLAR WORKERS NEED TO TAKE THEIR GUNS AND GO WATCH TV. HE THINKS HE IS BETTER THAN EVERYONE. SANDRA

Posted by: SANDRA DUGUAY | September 30, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

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