McCain is really getting slammed now. Too bad for him that a real debate has started just at the time that everyone has become wise to the fact that you can’t believe a single word he says.
Posted by: Mike | September 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Concerned in Ohio,
Obama did the same thing with NAFTAGate..telling the American people one thing and then doing something different behind closed doors.
Obama is not what he appears to be. His talks behind closed doors in Iraq to try and thwart our troops nad convince the Iraqis to pushback against US troop withdrawls is disgusting!!
Excellent post here…
Obama today proved he doesn’t care about America. He spoke of depression and total failure – he didn’t give a rats ass what he was doing. Votes at all costs – not country first.
His doom and gloom speech was to get McCain.
Otherwise, his speech could easily have started a panic and run on the banks – we don’t need this idiot. He is totally disconnected to right and wrong.
He is not Presidential material. He blasted McCain for his comment on the economy – we need leaders to remain calm and assure the population – not to instill enough fear to start a panic.
Obama uses fear tactics against us – he has done it with Roe vs Wade and the Iraq war and now he the economy. He is dangerous.
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary 2012
Again the Republicans throw their lot in with a liar. Taheri reported in a column in Canada’s National Post in May 2006 that Iran had passed a law requiring the country’s Jews and other religious minorities to wear coloured badges identifying them as non-Muslims. The story was received wide play in conservative circles, but it was not true.
In addition, the McCain camp lied when they said that negotiations with foreign governments by a campaign is unprecedented. In fact, the Republican Party has a long history of doing so. Lucky for us, this time it only exists in the fevered imagination of an agent of Rupert Murdoch.
Where were you guys last week when Obama was talking about the issues? The media refuse to cover issues, instead they want a horse race.
Samantha – I guess you miss this in that article – - While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a “realistic withdrawal date.” They declined.
Why is Patraeus and Bush keeping are troops in Iraq. Anyway the NYP is the trash newspaper. It only gets 1 in 100 stories right anyway.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Not during war, Flash. It’s very, very different when we are at war.
Concerned in OH
He is not. No Senator has that power. The quote came from the NYP, so take it with a grain of salt.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Oh please!
Give the Post smear job a rest.
McCain & Palin are finally being called out for what they are: cheerleaders for failed economic policies running on little else than identity politics. They offer nothing substantial, and the Post follows the game plan to distract rather than be substantive on the issues (like the Wall St. nosedive) to help some of their own.
Do you honestly believe Obama to be that stupid? I thought elite people were the over-educated, snotty types who were really careful about what they said and did.
You can’t have it both ways.
Admit that McCain is simply a straw man for the failed Republican agenda and move on.
It’s time to get real. The U.S. is in serious trouble and in need of new, fresh, thoughtful leadership, not beaten-down platitudes and lies.
USVet
Distorting campaign finance will not help America. Guess what People who work for Fannie May donate to Obama not federal lobbyist. If you really want change stop supporting McCain who’s economic policy is formulated by the Enron Loophole architect.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Regarding the 1999 90-8 vote to repeal Glass-Steafall:
Boy we could really have used another Senator with some backbone to join Shelby, Boxer, Bryan, Dorgan, Feingold, Harkin, Mikulski and Wellstone – I wish McCain was in the Senate then, he could have really made a difference! Oh yeah, thats right, he was…I wonder how he voted on this very important issue?
Posted by: Mike | September 15, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Amir Taheri Is not credible. That is why it is not covered by the MSM. Search him.
I think it is pathetic, but typical, that McCain campaign would issue such a statement.
Bou you guys have fallen hard since last week. What is up with that?
Anyone you thinks that LA Times article is proof that Obama is in the pockets of Fannie May is a low information voter. If you are a teller for let say Bank of America and you donate to Obama. They list you as Bank of America. Understand the process before you criticize.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
I believe John McCain just had his “Katrina Moment”. After three days of non-stop news coverage about the inevitable collapse of Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch, he reiterated “…that the fundamentals of the economy are sound.”
Eh?
I love how the media is like “Obama should attack McCain” and when he does they are “like no ones talking about the issues.”
The media – Obama too white, too black, too professorial, too messianic, too good a speaker, not black enough, not white enough, a muslim, a terrorist, to weak, to strong, too liberal, not liberal enough, humorless, wisecracking. Media make up your mind.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Obama’s “Senator McCain, what economy are you talking about” is the SECOND funniest line of the day.
The FUNNIEST line of the day belonged to Biden: “I could walk from here to Lansing and I wouldn’t run into a single person who thought our economy is doing well unless I ran into John McCain”.
USVet
Give me McCain’s policy positions on woman’s rights, and taxes.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Bush/McCain/Cheney foreign policy has provided us with the single greatest strategic failure in American history. Now, Bush/McCain/Gramm economics has provided us with the single greatest economic failure since the Great Depression. If we care about the state of our nation and if we care about our pocketbooks, we simply can’t afford a John McCain presidency.
And the Economy is fundamentally sound? Famous last words from McSame. I’ve tried to be rational and now I’m resorting to begging. Please don’t elect McSame POTUS.
We can’t have a third Bush Term.
Obama 08
Posted by: Mike | September 15, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
USVet
Yup the majority of Americans don’t own stock. In fact no one I know owns stock. So the majority of Americans, including small town America, will not be affected by the capital gains tax.
Anyway if you are a Christian making money off the capital gains is usury and is considered a sin.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
McCain will always be a prisoner of his lack of knowlegde of today’s economy.
He’s worse than Bush in that respect, and American society will end up in the gutter should be become President.
Posted by: vet | September 15, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Don’t get all hysterical and your panties tied in a knot about what Zebari said.
In 1975, the US Department of State, in considering similar complaints against Senators John Sparkmand and George McGovern, concluded as follows:
“Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act]…would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.”
Obama has long said that any agreement governing the future of US forces must be reviewed by the US Congress, as it would tie a future administration’s hands on Iraq. This does not violate the Logan act.
Don’t try to distort and swiftboat anybody now. There is nothing wrong with having Congress review any plans for the future of US forces. It is part of Congress’s duty.
Can any body get original???Ever since Richard Nixon and the “Watergate” scandel.Every thing now ends with the word “GATE” What do we have now? Oh, yes “Troupergate”!I am sick of it.
Not during war, Flash. It’s very, very different when we are at war.
Posted by: Ace | Sep 15, 2008 10:27:41 PM
Not a war, Ace, it is an invasion! If it is a war, who is the enemy?
Here we go again. Barack Obama pretending to be President before he is one.
Posted by: b | September 15, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
From TPM
Let me get this straight. John McCain’s top economic advisor, former Sen. Phil Gramm, is the guy who authored the deregulation law that most agree is the ultimate cause of today’s financial meltdown. Tomorrow’s and probably next week’s too. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. John Thain, CEO of Merrill Lynch, which swirled into brokerage oblivion today, is one of McCain’s top economic advisors too. And now McCain says he’s going to clean up the mess by putting in tighter regulations and oversight even though he’s always supported lax oversight and his top economics guy is the one who loosened the rules in the first place.
MM,
HAHA! Are you kidding? You’re kidding, right?
Millions of American households own equities. I bet it is nearly half.
And it is not just capital gains taxes that Obama wants to increase. And BTW, where do the jobs come from in America? Most come from small businesses, a fundamental part of our economy that will remain strong with McCain-Palin.
Obama’s economic plan would bankrupt America and his spending fantasies would lead to trillions more in the national debt.
America can’t afford Obama! He costs too much and can’t deliver!
Can’t wait to see McCain-Palin shake up Washington and Hillary Clinton as Majority Leader in the US Senate to work together with McCain and get things done for America!
The Washington DNC elites and crooks have had the power for far too long. it is time for We The People to take back Washington and put ot to work for America!
McCain-Palin is the key!
Thanks for playing.
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary 2012
PUMA!!
Even though I think McCain is an idiot for saying that our economy is fundamentally sound, Obama seems to be taking every hit he can get. If I were Obama, I would stop worrying about what McCain has to say, and worry about my own campaign. As for McCain, he needs to open his eyes to the daily decreasing economy. If he doesn’t want to mention the elephant in the room, then we will have a problem if he gets elected and the elephant is neglected.
Jake,
If I didn’t already know you were pulling the lever for Obama, I’d ask you if you’d mind giving half the scruitiny to Obama that you do McCain and Palin. But then again, Palin’s teleprompter and heaping praise on Obama is so much more relevant to real bread and butter issues. Shouldn’t you have “official sponsor of the DNC” next to the ABC logo up top?
Posted by: b | September 15, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Herbert Hoover
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush
What do these men have in common.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 16, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am
MM,
I hate to do this as we apparently must share some opinions, but USVet is correct.
Whether or not you personally own any stock and live a days drive from a Merill Lynch office, you are going to know
that things have changed.
USVet, MM’s naivete on economic matters should not be held against him unless we want to include a candidate who’s knowledge consists of reading a book by the main guy that got us into this mess.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 16, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am
I don’t belive these scare tactics are going to work those aged 55 or older can still sell ONE house and NOT PAY capital gains tax. That is IF you can get a loan to buy a house anymore after yesterday. some friends and I have said for just over two years this was going to happen I wish for the sake of those who have lost their jobs,retirement and healthcare that we were wrong. How long the recovery will be is up to all of us This was the perfect storm and now it time to begin to recover.
Posted by: Faxbot88240 | September 16, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
If you are an accountant an economist, or know how the economy realy works; Obama gave the election to McCain in his Grand Junktion speech. He refered to McCain voting against the Democrat’s passing their “election year minimum wage bill.” That bill set off the crash in the economy. A “minimum wage increase” is in reality an adjustment in the value of our dollar. OUR DOLLAR IS NOW WORTH LESS THAN IT WAS AND VERY FEW PEOPLE ACUALLY RECIEVED ANY INCREASE IN THEIR PAY CHECK. Look at the prices in the store, are you better off? Who was right?
Obama is still puting his money on voters not being knowlable enough to know that it is the Congress, not the President, who failed in the financial crisis we are in. There are no executives in financial insitutions who did not know the ultimate results of non-fixed rate home loans or loans at greater than 9%.
Posted by: JMMCRet | September 16, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
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Posted by: LatteChugger | September 15, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
McCain is really getting slammed now. Too bad for him that a real debate has started just at the time that everyone has become wise to the fact that you can’t believe a single word he says.
Posted by: Mike | September 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Concerned in Ohio,
Obama did the same thing with NAFTAGate..telling the American people one thing and then doing something different behind closed doors.
Obama is not what he appears to be. His talks behind closed doors in Iraq to try and thwart our troops nad convince the Iraqis to pushback against US troop withdrawls is disgusting!!
Posted by: USVet | September 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Excellent post here…
Obama today proved he doesn’t care about America. He spoke of depression and total failure – he didn’t give a rats ass what he was doing. Votes at all costs – not country first.
His doom and gloom speech was to get McCain.
Otherwise, his speech could easily have started a panic and run on the banks – we don’t need this idiot. He is totally disconnected to right and wrong.
He is not Presidential material. He blasted McCain for his comment on the economy – we need leaders to remain calm and assure the population – not to instill enough fear to start a panic.
Obama uses fear tactics against us – he has done it with Roe vs Wade and the Iraq war and now he the economy. He is dangerous.
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary 2012
Posted by: USVet | September 15, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Again the Republicans throw their lot in with a liar. Taheri reported in a column in Canada’s National Post in May 2006 that Iran had passed a law requiring the country’s Jews and other religious minorities to wear coloured badges identifying them as non-Muslims. The story was received wide play in conservative circles, but it was not true.
In addition, the McCain camp lied when they said that negotiations with foreign governments by a campaign is unprecedented. In fact, the Republican Party has a long history of doing so. Lucky for us, this time it only exists in the fevered imagination of an agent of Rupert Murdoch.
Posted by: Flash Override | September 15, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
Where were you guys last week when Obama was talking about the issues? The media refuse to cover issues, instead they want a horse race.
Samantha – I guess you miss this in that article – - While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a “realistic withdrawal date.” They declined.
Why is Patraeus and Bush keeping are troops in Iraq. Anyway the NYP is the trash newspaper. It only gets 1 in 100 stories right anyway.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Not during war, Flash. It’s very, very different when we are at war.
Posted by: Ace | September 15, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Concerned in OH
He is not. No Senator has that power. The quote came from the NYP, so take it with a grain of salt.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Oh please!
Give the Post smear job a rest.
McCain & Palin are finally being called out for what they are: cheerleaders for failed economic policies running on little else than identity politics. They offer nothing substantial, and the Post follows the game plan to distract rather than be substantive on the issues (like the Wall St. nosedive) to help some of their own.
Do you honestly believe Obama to be that stupid? I thought elite people were the over-educated, snotty types who were really careful about what they said and did.
You can’t have it both ways.
Admit that McCain is simply a straw man for the failed Republican agenda and move on.
It’s time to get real. The U.S. is in serious trouble and in need of new, fresh, thoughtful leadership, not beaten-down platitudes and lies.
Posted by: stealth | September 15, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
The NYP also ran a story “Ladies’ Man Mac Is A Player In Ny” … so much for family values huh.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
You guys are off topic. This is not about troops, its the economy stupid. Im sure the troop thread is coming.
Posted by: FactOid | September 15, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
USVet
Distorting campaign finance will not help America. Guess what People who work for Fannie May donate to Obama not federal lobbyist. If you really want change stop supporting McCain who’s economic policy is formulated by the Enron Loophole architect.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Regarding the 1999 90-8 vote to repeal Glass-Steafall:
Boy we could really have used another Senator with some backbone to join Shelby, Boxer, Bryan, Dorgan, Feingold, Harkin, Mikulski and Wellstone – I wish McCain was in the Senate then, he could have really made a difference! Oh yeah, thats right, he was…I wonder how he voted on this very important issue?
Posted by: Mike | September 15, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Amir Taheri Is not credible. That is why it is not covered by the MSM. Search him.
I think it is pathetic, but typical, that McCain campaign would issue such a statement.
Bou you guys have fallen hard since last week. What is up with that?
Posted by: Thinking | September 15, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Anyone you thinks that LA Times article is proof that Obama is in the pockets of Fannie May is a low information voter. If you are a teller for let say Bank of America and you donate to Obama. They list you as Bank of America. Understand the process before you criticize.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
I believe John McCain just had his “Katrina Moment”. After three days of non-stop news coverage about the inevitable collapse of Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch, he reiterated “…that the fundamentals of the economy are sound.”
Eh?
Posted by: Citizen McCain | September 15, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
I love how the media is like “Obama should attack McCain” and when he does they are “like no ones talking about the issues.”
The media – Obama too white, too black, too professorial, too messianic, too good a speaker, not black enough, not white enough, a muslim, a terrorist, to weak, to strong, too liberal, not liberal enough, humorless, wisecracking. Media make up your mind.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Obama’s “Senator McCain, what economy are you talking about” is the SECOND funniest line of the day.
The FUNNIEST line of the day belonged to Biden: “I could walk from here to Lansing and I wouldn’t run into a single person who thought our economy is doing well unless I ran into John McCain”.
Posted by: Samantha | September 15, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
USVet
Give me McCain’s policy positions on woman’s rights, and taxes.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Bush/McCain/Cheney foreign policy has provided us with the single greatest strategic failure in American history. Now, Bush/McCain/Gramm economics has provided us with the single greatest economic failure since the Great Depression. If we care about the state of our nation and if we care about our pocketbooks, we simply can’t afford a John McCain presidency.
Posted by: ElodieStClair | September 15, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
And the Economy is fundamentally sound? Famous last words from McSame. I’ve tried to be rational and now I’m resorting to begging. Please don’t elect McSame POTUS.
We can’t have a third Bush Term.
Obama 08
Posted by: Mike | September 15, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
USVet
Yup the majority of Americans don’t own stock. In fact no one I know owns stock. So the majority of Americans, including small town America, will not be affected by the capital gains tax.
Anyway if you are a Christian making money off the capital gains is usury and is considered a sin.
Posted by: MM | September 15, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
McCain will always be a prisoner of his lack of knowlegde of today’s economy.
He’s worse than Bush in that respect, and American society will end up in the gutter should be become President.
Posted by: vet | September 15, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Don’t get all hysterical and your panties tied in a knot about what Zebari said.
In 1975, the US Department of State, in considering similar complaints against Senators John Sparkmand and George McGovern, concluded as follows:
“Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act]…would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.”
Obama has long said that any agreement governing the future of US forces must be reviewed by the US Congress, as it would tie a future administration’s hands on Iraq. This does not violate the Logan act.
Don’t try to distort and swiftboat anybody now. There is nothing wrong with having Congress review any plans for the future of US forces. It is part of Congress’s duty.
Posted by: ClaireB | September 15, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Can any body get original???Ever since Richard Nixon and the “Watergate” scandel.Every thing now ends with the word “GATE” What do we have now? Oh, yes “Troupergate”!I am sick of it.
Posted by: orangecat | September 15, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Not during war, Flash. It’s very, very different when we are at war.
Posted by: Ace | Sep 15, 2008 10:27:41 PM
Not a war, Ace, it is an invasion! If it is a war, who is the enemy?
Posted by: Vicki | September 15, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
Here we go again. Barack Obama pretending to be President before he is one.
Posted by: b | September 15, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
From TPM
Let me get this straight. John McCain’s top economic advisor, former Sen. Phil Gramm, is the guy who authored the deregulation law that most agree is the ultimate cause of today’s financial meltdown. Tomorrow’s and probably next week’s too. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. John Thain, CEO of Merrill Lynch, which swirled into brokerage oblivion today, is one of McCain’s top economic advisors too. And now McCain says he’s going to clean up the mess by putting in tighter regulations and oversight even though he’s always supported lax oversight and his top economics guy is the one who loosened the rules in the first place.
Posted by: Thinking | September 15, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
MM,
HAHA! Are you kidding? You’re kidding, right?
Millions of American households own equities. I bet it is nearly half.
And it is not just capital gains taxes that Obama wants to increase. And BTW, where do the jobs come from in America? Most come from small businesses, a fundamental part of our economy that will remain strong with McCain-Palin.
Obama’s economic plan would bankrupt America and his spending fantasies would lead to trillions more in the national debt.
America can’t afford Obama! He costs too much and can’t deliver!
Can’t wait to see McCain-Palin shake up Washington and Hillary Clinton as Majority Leader in the US Senate to work together with McCain and get things done for America!
The Washington DNC elites and crooks have had the power for far too long. it is time for We The People to take back Washington and put ot to work for America!
McCain-Palin is the key!
Thanks for playing.
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary 2012
PUMA!!
Posted by: USVet | September 15, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
Even though I think McCain is an idiot for saying that our economy is fundamentally sound, Obama seems to be taking every hit he can get. If I were Obama, I would stop worrying about what McCain has to say, and worry about my own campaign. As for McCain, he needs to open his eyes to the daily decreasing economy. If he doesn’t want to mention the elephant in the room, then we will have a problem if he gets elected and the elephant is neglected.
Posted by: Shelby | September 15, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
Jake,
If I didn’t already know you were pulling the lever for Obama, I’d ask you if you’d mind giving half the scruitiny to Obama that you do McCain and Palin. But then again, Palin’s teleprompter and heaping praise on Obama is so much more relevant to real bread and butter issues. Shouldn’t you have “official sponsor of the DNC” next to the ABC logo up top?
Posted by: b | September 15, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Herbert Hoover
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush
What do these men have in common.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 16, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am
MM,
I hate to do this as we apparently must share some opinions, but USVet is correct.
Whether or not you personally own any stock and live a days drive from a Merill Lynch office, you are going to know
that things have changed.
USVet, MM’s naivete on economic matters should not be held against him unless we want to include a candidate who’s knowledge consists of reading a book by the main guy that got us into this mess.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 16, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am
I don’t belive these scare tactics are going to work those aged 55 or older can still sell ONE house and NOT PAY capital gains tax. That is IF you can get a loan to buy a house anymore after yesterday. some friends and I have said for just over two years this was going to happen I wish for the sake of those who have lost their jobs,retirement and healthcare that we were wrong. How long the recovery will be is up to all of us This was the perfect storm and now it time to begin to recover.
Posted by: Faxbot88240 | September 16, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
If you are an accountant an economist, or know how the economy realy works; Obama gave the election to McCain in his Grand Junktion speech. He refered to McCain voting against the Democrat’s passing their “election year minimum wage bill.” That bill set off the crash in the economy. A “minimum wage increase” is in reality an adjustment in the value of our dollar. OUR DOLLAR IS NOW WORTH LESS THAN IT WAS AND VERY FEW PEOPLE ACUALLY RECIEVED ANY INCREASE IN THEIR PAY CHECK. Look at the prices in the store, are you better off? Who was right?
Obama is still puting his money on voters not being knowlable enough to know that it is the Congress, not the President, who failed in the financial crisis we are in. There are no executives in financial insitutions who did not know the ultimate results of non-fixed rate home loans or loans at greater than 9%.
Posted by: JMMCRet | September 16, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am