By Lee Speigel

Sep 17, 2008 9:46pm

Obama: McCain’s Campaign Like an ‘SNL’ Routine

Before a crowd of roughly 14,000 residents of Las Vegas, Nev., sitting in the bleachers of Cashman Center — home to the minor league baseball team the Las Vegas 51s — Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Wednesday evening continued to mock Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., as out of touch on the economy.

Proceeding through a litany of what he perceives to be McCain missteps, Obama mentioned that McCain had recently "bragged about how, as chairman of the Commerce Committee in the Senate, he had oversight of every part of the economy. Well, all I can say to Sen. McCain is nice job."

The audience laughed.

"Nice job!" Obama repeated, sarcasm dripping from his voice. "I mean, where is he getting these lines? The lobbyists running his campaign?

"You all remember Phil Gramm," Obama said, once again bringing up the former Texas senator and McCain friend whom McCain distanced himself from several months ago. "He says we’re just going through a mental recession and called the United States of America a nation of whiners. I’m not making this up. You can’t make this up. It’s like a ‘Saturday Night Live’ routine."

The crowd roared with approving laughter.

"So, then yesterday, Sen. McCain’s big solution to the crisis we’re facing is — put on your seatbelts — a commission," Obama said. "A commission! Well, that’s Washington-speak for ‘We’ll get back to you later.’"

Trying not to project pessimism, even as he’s labeled this current economic crisis the worst since the Great Depression, Obama insisted he has "every confidence that we can steer ourselves out of this crisis … because that’s who we are, that’s what we’ve always done as Americans.

"But the one thing I do know is this: we can’t steer ourselves out of this crisis if we’re heading in the same disastrous direction," Obama said. ”’We can’t steer ourselves out of this crisis using the same old map, we can’t steer ourselves out of the crisis if the new driver is getting directions from the old driver, and that’s what this election is all about."

– Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller

User Comments

Obama has hit a new low.

Posted by: Lisa | September 17, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

I’m actually embarrassed about how negative Obama has gone. Part of why I bought into his campaign is because he was going to be a new style of politics. What happened? Can I trust him?

Posted by: PaulR | September 17, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

And Obama’s campaign is more like one from “MAD tv?” What ever happened to sticking to the issues and making logical arguments to convince voters? It seems that the more the campaigns emphasize “change,” the less real “change” we see.

Posted by: chuck | September 17, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Saaanaaap! Obama hit this one out of the ballpark. Well done. Give those republican liars and cheats hell! We’re well on our way to wrapping this contest up. (That’s right ‘pubs, your days are up; get used to the idea…)

Posted by: dem in chicago | September 17, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Yes, and obama is much lamer than SNL.

Posted by: Chad3337 | September 17, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

Is McCain going to form a commission every time disaster strikes?
What? A hurricane in Texas? Let’s form a commission and in a few months, we’ll get back to you with our findings on how to deal with the problem.

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

Obama is right. We don’t need another “commission”. We need a balanced budget.
If America was not $1 Trillion in debt, the dollar would not be so severly devalued and the economy would have had the strength to weather this lending cycle.
Obama’s been pushing for a balanced budget ever since he first entered the national stage. McCain has never even mentioned the words “balanced budget”. He just says “borrow, borrow, borrow, and then we’ll appoint a commission”.
America can not afford to elect another president who is content for this country to live high on the hog of national debt.

Posted by: clifton | September 17, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

14,000 in Obama’s Las Vegas audience? not bad.
But SNL?
McCain should become the new Archie Bunker after losing this selection.
Or even better, Archie Bunker’s 72-years old grumpy and out-of-this-world dad.
A loser.

Posted by: herta | September 17, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

I miss the REAL Michelle and now I have to say I miss the REAL Obama. Why is he using a telepromptor on the stump? What happened to the good ole days of um, ah, um, I, dah!

Posted by: Greg | September 17, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

Obama is trying to be funny. He has been criticized for being too serious and detailed on his policy proposals.
McCain is not going to turn into a private business regulator if he becomes President. If he did that, he wouldn’t have any money to run for re-election in 2012.

Posted by: cincyr | September 17, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

I’m sure the country’s dying to hand the reins of the economy over to someone who’s most significant financial transaction was an illegal insider deal with convicted felon Rezko. Wouldn’t want him to go all “bone headed” on the economy. Yeah, give me some more of that Chicago style go-along, get-along corruption–that’ll be great for the country. That Obama, such a reformer . . . .

Posted by: Chad3337 | September 17, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

Why would Obama want to have a “commission” to investigate the democrats who got us into this mess? Nancy Pelosi has already said that she won’t allow it.

Posted by: PHY | September 17, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

McCain just seems to be very confused about things. McCain just called Spain’s Prime Minister an enemy of the United States.
That’s right. Spain. In Europe. South of France.
Sigh.

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

God forbid we would ever insult a European country. They are some of our best supporters!

Posted by: Lisa | September 17, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

I can’t tell you how many references I have seen to Obama “mocking” his opponents. It’s not just McCain, before that it was his democratic opponents. Obama is an arrogant a**. His promise to deliver a new sort of politics that is about lifting this country up as opposed to tearing each other down is a complete farce.
After watching him renege on one promise after another during this campaign (another example==revoking his promise to take public financing), why would anyone think he would bring any principles (other than self-promotion) to the task of governing?

Posted by: NJH | September 17, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

In his Newsweek column, Jonathan Alter added a great expression to the English language:
“as phony as a moose in Manhattan”
Ehhh yes, it was about Palin.

Posted by: herta | September 17, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

Illegal and unethical are two different things. Obama’s home purchase without a doubt was unethical.

Posted by: Lisa | September 17, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm

lol Obama defends himself against nasty attacks and he’s then called arrogant. He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
I hear the republicans saying Obama should not defend himself. Just take whatever the nasty republicans dish out and you shouldn’t respond.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | September 17, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

Obama served eight years in Springfield, and has been in Washington nearly four so far. In the Illinois state Senate, he authored about a half-dozen “major laws” on issues ranging from ethics to education.
The best example of his leadership style was bipartisan legislation to require the videotaping of police interrogations, which is now a national model. Obama brought together police, prosecutors and the ACLU on a win-win bill that simultaneously increased conviction rates and all but ended jailhouse beatings.
In Washington he has his name on three important laws: the first major ethics reform since Watergate; a much-needed cleanup of conventional weapons in the former Soviet Union, and the “Google for Government” bill, an accountability tool that requires notice of all federal contracts to be posted online. Besides that, Obama hasn’t been around long enough to get much done.
McCain served four years in the House and has been in the Senate almost 22 so far. But he, too, has authored fewer than a half-dozen major laws.

Posted by: holland | September 17, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

Lisa, wow.
I think you’ve taken your anti-European stance a wee bit too far. See, our economy would die if we made an enemy of Europe. Not only that, but we can’t win the war against terror without cooperation from Europe.

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

McCain’s problems start and end with the Palin pick – he chose a new path too late in the campaign and is now forced to run against everything he has said before.

Posted by: 1percenter | September 17, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

Right Lisa. Again, damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
He even said it was a mistake to involve him at all. But Obama can’t make mistakes?
All politicians walk the ethical tightrope, and just like the rest of us, sometimes they come up short.
McCain isn’t perfect and neither is Obama.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | September 17, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

Lisa, could it be we are both Obama supporters?

Posted by: LA in Indiana | September 17, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

McCain has always called himself a deregulator.
Even in his acceptance speech he talks about deregulation.
It was the McCain-endorsed, Gramm-sponsored deregulation that led to this crisis.
Now he says we need regulation?
Obama is right, this is a bad joke.

Posted by: April | September 17, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

The senior pastor of Sarah Palin’s church, in sermons that circulated online before they were taken down last week, preaches hell for anyone who isn’t saved by Jesus.
America does not know enough yet about what Palin personally believes, but her church background—she now worships at a nondenominational Bible church—puts her squarely in the tradition of the old-school religious right.
It’s a scary prospect to have a religious fanatic like Palin in the White House. America would lose everything that is left of its international standing.

Posted by: BAH | September 17, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

There was no ethical issues with Obama’s home purchase. His house was purchased completely independent of the 15 ft strip of land to extend his backyard he bought from Rezko’s wife.
Now, was his backyard purchase unethical? I don’t see how. Sure, he bought it from the wife of someone slimy, but he paid way above market value for it.
I swear, this guilt by association crap needs to stop.

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

Uhhh, no Lisa…I’ve been the same ole me, not someone else.
I’m a veteran in Indiana. I’ve seen Ryan’s comments, but I’m me, not Ryan.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | September 17, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

Obama should cool his heels. Does he know who invented his blackberry.
YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL OBAMA :)

Posted by: Omentum | September 17, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Obama said today that McCain was a good “old boy”. Does that make Obama a good young boy? Obama sure is against politics as usual and is interested in talking about the issues, ain’t he?

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 17, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

McCain’s forgotten why exactly Bush won in 2000 & 2004. It wasn’t because of “lies” or “you wanted to have a beer with him”, it was because he was believable. Or at least, you felt he geniunely believed what he was saying. Both Gore and Kerry were pegged as phonies. This is what Obama is doing to McCain now and McCain can only blame himself with the phony Palin pick and the subsequent nonsense and backtracking and frank mistruths that make even Rove blush. Somehow, Obama has co-opted the “straight talk” mantra from McCain while McCain tries, in vain, to suddenly become ‘Mr. Change’.
Well, Mr. McChange’s solution, a “commission” sure seems like the same ol’ same ol’ mumbo jumbo nonsense to me.

Posted by: MIguy | September 17, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

WestCoast, Obama’s point was that McCain’s campaign is run by lobbyists for special interests and they are writing his policies.
You don’t think that’s an issue?

Posted by: April | September 17, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Fannie and Freddy gave Obama 123,000 bucks, second to Chris Dodd. I know that Obama will really reform things.
Let’s see, he was for public financing of the election until he was against it, he was for school vouchers until the teacher unions said, better not go there, he was for a clean and nice campaign before he became negative. He is for tax cuts, but after all the things he has said, I doubt he will be for them, because a person’s past actions are a good indication of their future behavior. So look out, tax now, tax more, That will become the Obama doctorine.

Posted by: W. Orrin Eldred | September 17, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Is there any doubt that Sarah Palin believes that Jews, Hindus, Muslims and agnostics are all going to hell?
It’d surprise me if she didn’t believe Catholics and Mormons were going to hell too.
Pentecostals believe that everyone has to have a “new birth” in order to go to Heaven and some believe that you have to have been baptized and then had the Holy Ghost infused in you (evidenced by you speaking in tongues).

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Okay, there is nothing wrong with “deregulation”. There is a problem with ‘misregulation’. Adding more burdensome rules is not the answer, but accountability and oversight is.
Don’t forget that it’s not just the lenders who were the problem here – it was those who borrowed more than they could afford. Should they be regulated too? If you overregulate the credit and mortgage industry, how will average folks afford homes?

Posted by: 1percenter | September 17, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

1percenter, I put far more burden upon the lenders than the borrowers. Why? Because when the lender tells you over and over again that you can afford a loan and then hands someone with no financial background an 85 page contract, it is predatory.
I mean, if you make poison lollipops and hand then to a toddler, is it the child’s fault for sucking on it? And yes, I am comparing borrowers to toddlers because compared to the lenders, they knew almost nothing about what they were getting themselves into. In fact, many no doubt believed that if they were unable to pay for the mortgage, the lender would never have offered them the money in the first place, which 15 years ago, was not a bad assumption.

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

Obama has the worse timing in political history. Last night his sleepover at Streisands house may be one for the record books. Could the timing have been any worse.

Posted by: MaryW | September 17, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

obama – once again responds to this crisis with “Present” – he has to wait for his campaign to give him the “Politically Correct” answer.
Obama is a FRAUD!
He has zero judgment – will NOT take a firm stand on any issue – how can he lead this country.
McCain/Palin

Posted by: Molly | September 17, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

Mary, I’m not sure I understand. What’s bad about the timing?
Are you saying by taking money from people in Hollywood, he hurt people on Wall Street?

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

Go ahead and elect a kid who is still wet behind the ears. What did he offer the people in Vegas to come out to his traveling horse and pony show? Is he ever going to tell us one thing that he could really accomplished vs telling you fairy tales. Again I end with the fact I voted for Clinton.

Posted by: William | September 17, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

Uh, Clifton, hate to burst your bubble, but Obama has already said he has no plans to balance the budget during his administration. He has admitted that with his ambition plans for universal health care, that would be impossible. And that was BEFORE he started saying he might have to postpone his plans to eliminate the bush tax cuts because of the current economic crisis.
And I just LOVE his adult, serious approach to this problem– ridicule your opponent. Yep, that’s the kind of postpartisan leadership I’m looking forward to. Argh.

Posted by: moderate | September 17, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

The more sarcastic and nasty the suit gets, the more desperate he looks. Politics as usual….no change, no hope, no nothing. Please Obama keep up the nasty attacks, McCain has withstood more and he will be our next President.

Posted by: Emma | September 17, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

OBAMA SURGES AHEAD IN ALL THE MAJOR NATIONAL POLLS.
Now do you get it, Johnny?
HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.
OBAMA = LEADER
McCAIN = LIAR

Posted by: Ed from MA | September 17, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

john: I’m looking at your post and thinking about the ‘toddlers’ comment – which is unfortunately apt. And yes, part of the problem (and I am unsure of the degree) were fraudulent loans that then became CDOs that were gimmicky stuff used to fatten the wallets of these boneheads.
Unfortunately, however, in this world we must expect personal accountability. Even of the toddlers. People are so ready to go for the easy buck, the easy road and don’t want to think that maybe it’s a bit ‘too easy’ to get the money. So, while people are complaining about the CEOs – what about the folks who overbought their McMansion and big-screen TV and then just drop the keys in the mailbox and default on their loan. Aren’t they failing their obligation?

Posted by: 1percenter | September 17, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

obama – once again responds to this crisis with “Present” – he has to wait for his campaign to give him the “Politically Correct” answer.
Obama is a FRAUD!
He has zero judgment – will NOT take a firm stand on any issue – how can he lead this country.
McCain/Palin
Posted by: Molly | Sep 17, 2008 10:42:29 PM
If you don’t understand the present vote, don’t comment on it; just makes you look uneducated.

Posted by: Emily | September 17, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

Obama would’t let the press in for his $1,000 a minute Bab’s concert last night where he hauled in 11 million. I heard he needs at least $40 million to just campaign in Florida where he is outspending 3 to 1, as in all the other battleground states. How did that work for him against Hillary in Ohio and PA…..not so good.
Hill supporter for McCain!

Posted by: Emma | September 17, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

Palin is so clueless that she couldn’t even come up with a strong password to guard her email account.
Honestly, the “hack” likely involved no more than guessing the usual things: birthdates, pets, kids, etc.
Oh, and your email isn’t “private” anyway – certainly not on a Yahoo account. Neither is anything you say on a cell phone or in a text message. Welcome to 2008…

Posted by: MIguy | September 17, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

CNN has started to say that there state polls include not only votes but how much the candidate is spending in advertising. WTF! Does anyone know why this is?

Posted by: Gale | September 17, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

If McCain’s like SNL (which Obama bailed on last week), Barack is like a lounge entertainer at some remote spot off the Strip, only thing missing is his shot glass and a half burned cigarette hanging out of his mouth.

Posted by: Captain America | September 17, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

The Washington Post today:
“Are there any corners left for McCain? Is there any reason to trust that a man running this campaign would go on to be an honest president?”
Uh, no. None.

Posted by: herta | September 17, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

The idea that B. Obama thinks that he should, or even could be President is the real laugher: “Community organizer”, whatever that is, 2 state Senate terms, and 145 working days in the U.S. Senate. Now that’s a real SNL skit.

Posted by: Ron | September 17, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

If you were duped into voting for Bush, maybe you will think again about voting for McCain. Chances are Palin would end up finishing his term and could imagine listining to that nag every day.

Posted by: J | September 17, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

ron you dont know what community organizers are?
wow, no wonder you support mccain… oh ill let you in on something, dont quote rudy it will get you in trouble everytime.
oh also, they had to walk back those statements because, knocking community organizers, not very smart

Posted by: bhrandon | September 17, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

And the laughs just keep on coming:
In an interview with Spanish radio today, McCain was either unaware of who Prime Minister Zapatero is or unwilling to rule out that Spain is an enemy.
You can’t make this stuff up.
NEWS FLASH:
GENERALISSIMO FRANCISCO FRANCO IS STILL DEAD.
LOL!!!

Posted by: Ed from MA | September 17, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

I love how people keep calling Obama “Hussein” as a scare tactic. It reminds me of this woman I saw on the news back in the primaries from West Virginia who wouldn’t vote for him because his middle name was Hussein.
We get it. You’re xenophobic.
Oh and BTW, Saddam Hussein wasn’t a terrorist and while he was a bad guy, he had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11 or al Qaeda. If anything, he seemed to hate religious extremism, probably because they were a threat to his dictatorship.

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

No, whats low is having Obama respond to the LIES that McCain/Palin are putting out instead of the real issues, then claiming hes off message from running a clean camp. The things the McCain camp are pulling on a constanct basis is even beneath McCain. Some Americans think for themselves w/o purchasing.

Posted by: PTAMom in MD | September 17, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

Tina Fey nailed it Saturday night!

Posted by: Tom | September 17, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

Obama has a huge payroll with 300 advisors…must have needed that cash from Streisand concert. BO would be THE MOST ADVISOR DRIVEN PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME, paid for by you and me. Same for Secret Service, triple what’s normal, our taxpayer $$$$.

Posted by: Emma | September 17, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

The thinking public has already decided.
The rest prefer strength over truth.
It’s the bread and circus’ hour.

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 17, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Very Presidential Mr Obama. Keep those hilarious jabs coming. Keeping to the issues just as you promised. That’s the kind of change we can believe in…oh yah change went out the window when Biden was added to the ticket.

Posted by: boltman500 | September 17, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

Someone has been cheating by getting their facts from soundbites off Fixed News, again. Let’s see Bush is the president who bailed out Freddie, Fannie and the other banks. SO if they are/or did making donations to Obama/Biden they aren’t getting their money’s worth. What good could Obama do if they were disolved b4 Obama makes it to the WHite House, ask yourself a smart question, and stop, put the cup down…

Posted by: PTAMom in MD | September 17, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

Illegal and unethical are two different things. Obama’s home purchase without a doubt was unethical.
Posted by: Lisa
****************************************** How was it unethical? The sellers of the house said that the offer from Obama was the highest offer they had gotten for the house. Obama used a down payment from his personal funds and a standard mortgage.
Rezco is a developer and Obama did have him come and eyeball the house for him before putting the offer in.
The questionable deal was the sellers didn’t want to sell the house without selling the adjoining parcel of land. Rezco’s wife bought the land and later sold a strip of it to the Obamas. This part of it was the issue.
You don’t have to like it, but it really isn’t a good excuse not to vote for somebody, especially when the other team treats us like a bunch of suckers as they tell us lie after lie even after they have been debunked and proven false.

Posted by: Truth Matters | September 17, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

re:post by: johnTX | Sep 17, 2008 11:09:18 PM
Oh and BTW, Saddam Hussein wasn’t a terrorist and while he was a bad guy, he had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11 or al Qaeda. If anything, he seemed to hate religious extremism, probably because they were a threat to his dictatorship.
————————————-
Do you remember the excuse President Clinton gave for blowing up a factory in the Sudan?
Wasn’t it that Saddam was giving chemical weapons info (wmd) to Al Qaida?
It appears both Dems and Reps believed Saddam was capable and perhaps willing to share his wmd info with terrorists.
Of course, that’s only what we knew at the time.
Hindsight is soooo much better.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 17, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

McCain = DISHONORABLE

Posted by: Howard Gallas | September 17, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

To all the McCain/Palin fans.. I know it’s hard to swallow but McCain is wrong, Obama is right in this case.
The mess is caused by the deregulation of Wallstreet.

Posted by: clabs | September 17, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Sarah Palin told Sean Hannity today that she saw Tina Fey portraying her on SNL last Saturday, but had the sound turned all the way down! LOL
She said Tina Fey’s portrayal of her was hilarious!
posted by Tom
****************************************** They were on her plane when it was on and the press told her about it. She came back and watched it with them (the sound was on), the reporter wrote that he loved it but was surprised that Sarah laughed as well.
The next day the Mccain campaign sent out their surrogates saying it was sexist, (so they can continue to portray Sarah as the victim of sexism)
so now Sarah has to lie and say she didn’t hear it.
I guess tomorrow those reporters who watched it with her are going to have to tell us the truth.
And Sarah’s pretty nose just keeps growing……………….

Posted by: Truth Matters | September 17, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

Psst…emma
Ummm, Obama opted out of public financing, hence not tax payers money unless you decide you want to donate. Secret Service is a service paid for by tax payers, but we don’t get to choose who they protect.

Posted by: PTAMom in MD | September 17, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

Dave in lv, I also don’t think we should forget that it was Senator McCain who championed the war in Iraq in the first place – even before Bush himself. He was literally bouncing off the wall with anticipation for the war.
McCain has a serious problem with thinking things through before he acts. He tends to lead with his gut and unfortunately, it cost us 4,000 lives and $1.5 trillion in taxpayer money.

Posted by: johnTX | September 17, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Republicans can no longer even stomach saying the word ‘republican’, as they are running from their record and their party of the last 8 years.
When you see a Republican being interviewed and pressed on whether they support Bush & Cheney’s policies, they immediately change the subject and refuse to answer a simple ‘yes or no’ question.
It’s certainly not out of bounds to switch to running the usual talking points about Obama, but, to be unable to say whether you support your own President is very telling.
The nonsense that is being pushed by McCain, Palin and the rest of the Republicans has been proven to be lies so often that even Karl Rove and FOX news agrees that they are lies. Conservative writers are even calling them out on the lies.
Fundamentally, everything is just going great in America,… right.. Sen. McCain?
Meanwhile more Americans are still dying in Iraq. Afghanistan remains a forgotten war.
Mission Accomplished…

Posted by: Jazzman | September 17, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

Dave in lv sez:
(regarding the Iraq invasion)
Hindsight is soooo much better.
——————————-
Indeed, apparently a lot better than the intelligence community that gets a sizable chunk of my paycheck.
A lot cheaper as well.

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 17, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

Lets see
The Debates, or Oral Exam Time:
McCain: (he was toolin’ around in the ‘vette with the Flame of Florida)
Obama: (spent last two years of undergrad in his room studying)
Let’s see, where should I put my money..

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 17, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

1post3
If you actually are as smart as you claim you are you would also know that Obama introduced a bill on better bank regualations TWO years ago, but since he was new they kicked it out. Over the past 25 years it has been republicans who have fought for deregulation. Maybe some might think you have a real brain if you could come up with some other name that has not been used to death.

Posted by: The Unshrub | September 17, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

Unshrub
well Obamabots must be drinking something something the way they act…this man cannot do any or all he says he can if he gets to be president… its all smoke and mirrors orchestrated by axelrod

Posted by: staniam | September 17, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm

Unshrub,
If you think that election day in America is going to produce an act of God that puts us all back in the ’50s…
Well, maybe I can use some of what is in Your cup.

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 17, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

woops,
That was for my pal staniam,
Apologies to unshrub.

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 17, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

Oh please, PaulR. Are you so naive as to think that Obama can win an election where half of the country supports the candidate who represents a continuation of the same status quo that they oppose by a 4 to 1 ratio WITHOUT being tough and playing the game? If so, get over it.
McCain is a liar and a fraud and the only reason this election is close is that McCain has spent the last 2 months lying about Obama. This country is too stupid to analyze the issues and vote on the facts. They need to be spoonfed this stuff, and attacks and jokes are the way to communicate with the sheep

Posted by: Leo | September 18, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am

Leo,
You are Correct Sir!!

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 18, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am

JV: If I wasn’t married, I might be in love. Thank you for your comment and for saying exactly what I have been thinking!!! How can the right even claim to be social conservatives after the past 8 years of record spending, deficits, corruption and extremism? I was a Republican, too. I grew up in Atlanta. The Republican party has lost it’s way and McCain is not the Maverick he once was and Palin is more extreme right than any pick I can imagine.

Posted by: Angela | September 18, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

McCain & Republicans whole economic policy seems to be that if we just cut taxes for business,
give them more financial incentives, and trust them to do the right thing, everything else will work out. It is the same old story of ‘trickle down’ economics.
Thanks, but no thanks…. I’ll stay with Obama.

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am

After tonight’s joint town hall meeting with McCain and Palin if that’s all of the two of them have to offer, the debates are going to be horrible for them.

Posted by: Ted | September 18, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

My favorite SNL moment is Obama in the middle of a rodeo with a teleprompter feeding him his speeches.
What an idiot.

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 18, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

John McCain should forget about presidency and go and pick up that his 1982 glasses he was using when he got to Washington then, perhaps he can start buying newspaper to read in his 7 houses since he can’t use the internet.
Cindy at a fundraising last week was running her mouth “my husband is leading in all polls” she wanna become first lady, no wonder she looks like a toy.

Posted by: Cole | September 18, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

The republicans that are NOW calling themselves “independents” are the ones that have me ROTFLMAO. Pu-leeze.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 18, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am

If companies are going out of business the Obama plan is to tax all of them a lot more.
How will this encourage them to hire more people? How will this help them survive?
Obama claims the business slump we are in are a direct result of free market capitalism. What is he suggesting we replace it with?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

If that senile Mcsame is so great, why didn’t the GOP elect him in 2000 to be their nominee?
And why the f…, the GOP put up an idiot like Bush in the Whitehouse for last 8 years??????????????
If the GOP first pick Bush has proved to be the worst president in US history, its scary to think what their second pick Mcain will be!!!!
Cheap GOP tricks!!!

Posted by: Same Old trick | September 18, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

So, Obama’s a comedian now?
Why can’t this guy just talk about issues instead of mocking his opponents? Is this how he’ll conduct foreign affairs if we’re at war?
Obama is pitiful.

Posted by: Michelle | September 18, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

Oh My ..Someone’s crying..All you Republicans who cannot handle the heat…you know what they say..get out the kitchen and head for the hills…
This ain’t cricket!!
Baruk Obama will continue to hammer McCain like he deserved.
In the 2000 GOP primary Karl Rove said McCain was mentally ill. He also said that McCain fathered an illegitimate black child. Today McCain has the same Karl Rove advising him how to low ball Obama. McCain has no honor!! He is a man without shame…
His character is lower than a sow’s belly!!
Keep on hitting him Senator Obama

Posted by: Da Monk | September 18, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am

Now, if we could ever fully explain Rev Wright’s preaching of Black Seperation Theology we may be able to figure out the frozen angry-face of Michelle.

Posted by: Truth Matters | September 18, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am

God, I can’t wait until the debates. McCain & Palin are going to look like dyslexics at a spelling bee!

Posted by: Jesus H. Christ | September 18, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am

Didn’t Obama in front of two Dem audiences declare he is not afraid of JM and would debate him anytime, anywhere?
Applause, applause, applause.
Since then he has refused all but two last minute debates. He was asked to attend 10 additional debates and declined them all.
Was he afraid JM would make him look silly?
Or was he afraid he couldn’t answer unscripted questions?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am

Dave in IV
re: ‘business slump’
if all you think of recent financial events is that America is experiencing a ‘business slump’,
maybe, you need to read a little bit more on what’s really happening.

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am

Obama’s throwing the zingers out there now! Funny how the republicans can dish it but boy they sure can’t take it!

Posted by: freedomfighter1975 | September 18, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am

Ya know, the republicans had their chance. They blew it BIG TIME. After 9/11 practically the entire country was on the side of the republicans. They liked to refer to their numbers as a permanent majority. Well look at what’s happened. America trusted you. And you failed. And now you want to pretend teh last 8 years don’t matter. Actions have consequences, repubs. So do in-actions. Suck on that hard candy.

Posted by: GOP08_DOA | September 18, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am

Black Liberation Theology is actually a good thing. It teaches self-reliance. It teaches responsibility for ones actions. It teaches taking care of the elderly. It teaches to stop looking for handouts.It encourages men to be husbands before becoming fathers. You need to read it and stop listen to closet dweller Hannity.

Posted by: Da Monk | September 18, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am

Obama is now playing offence, he has to, if he does not mock or lay into McCain then McCain will run over him with lies in dirty ads. Obama tried to keep this campaign clean, but McCain turned it dirty and nasty,( read newspaper accounts) NOTICE, Obama only talks on the issues, he does not attack Mccain on personal basis.

Posted by: Jules | September 18, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am

OMG! What was I thinking? I can’t cast my vote and endanger my country. I really would like to see a women in the White House but, not this women. I’m embarrassed saying I’m republican. We can do much better than this. The media has to report on the McCain/Palin lies and her inexperience. Might not have to since the McCain campaign is doing a good job in shooting themselves in the foot and looking like idiots on this economy mess.

Posted by: jerryz7936 | September 18, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am

Dave in lv
re: “declare he is not afraid of JM ”
yeah…, lets have them settle it ‘mano a mano’..
on the basketball court… winner take all..Applause, applause, applause
and,
re: Truth Matters- Rev Wright.
McCain’s associations with Reverend Ron Parsley. Hagee, Falwell, Pat Robertson etc.
I mean really, is that all you’ve got.. it’s so tired and recycled … let’s get to some good stuff like: Palin’s ‘trooper-gate’

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

If companies are going out of business the Obama plan is to tax all of them a lot more.
How will this encourage them to hire more people? How will this help them survive?
Obama claims the business slump we are in are a direct result of free market capitalism. What is he suggesting we replace it with?
Posted by: Dave in lv | Sep 18, 2008 12:17:07 AM
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And McCain’s plan is to continue doing the same things that created the crisis. No thanks, it’s time to stop the republican’s theft of our treasury.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | September 18, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

“I must admit since the do nothing Dems gained control of Congress two years ago.”
I love this meme – over and over people repeat this… never mind that the Dems control the Congress by ONE vote. (and you really cannot count Lieberman who is disingenuous at best).
there is absolutely no way anything can “get done” in the stubborn climate of “my way or the highway” Republicans.
Get real on this.

Posted by: truthout | September 18, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am

McCain/Palin are offering to share high ranking positions with Dems in a bipartisan approach to solving problems.
The Dems approach: Stomp them all into the ground after humiliating them as much as possible.
Which group is filled with hate? Just look at the posts below.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am

WOW.. It’s truly amazing seeing republicans froth at the mouth like rabid dogs because America is not buying into their crap.. They really believed that we would all fall for their lies and their divisive policy’s, which at best would only serve a handful of people. They have used tactics, which I find deplorable and insulting to my intelligence. John McCain has lost this election based on 3 words.
HONOUR= You can’t be honourable if your not honest
JUDGEMENT= The pick of Sarah Palin as VP, confirms McCain’s reckless nature and inbred lack of JUDGEMENT.
INTEGRITY= He hasn’t got the other 2 attributes, so he can’t have this neither.
If you had to describe attributes required in a President of your choice, wouldn’t these 3 be on your list? If not, vote for McCain.

Posted by: Tom | September 18, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

The U.S. lost about a trillion dollars in the last two days. So you’re better off being concerned about the angry frozen faces of Americans being screwed by republican trickled down fiscal policies. Voting republican only continues the pain of the financial drain. Vote democrat if you want your wallet and country back.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | September 18, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

Obama is the dirtiest campaigner in our history.

Posted by: young_voter | September 18, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

re: Post by: truthout | Sep 18, 2008 12:46:05 AM
I am not aware of any Republican congress that had a veto proof majority, certainly none during Bush’s term.
They often had a one vote majority, yet this is the first Congress unable to pass a budget.
Evidently Reps can work with Dems and get a compromised budget. When Dems were in charge, no compromise and no budget.
Wasn’t the last election where the Dems were saying we NEED checks and balances and not have Congress and the President be of the same party?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

It stings because its true. McCain’s constant platitudes have become embarrassing to him. Look who’s all talk- he can’t back up a single claim. ‘I’m gonna solve all the problems in Washington’, he crows. Trouble is, he IS the problem in Washington. As we say here, ‘Sayin so doesn’t make it so’. Does he just think we’re stupid?

Posted by: katharine | September 18, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am

Dems use corporations and oversight committees as their own playthings and look where it’s got us.
Don’t you wonder why after the US shells out 1 trillion dollars the Dems won’t hold any hearings on who was responsible for this?
Let’s have some hearings and fully prosecute those responsible, whether they are Republican or Democrat.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am

Obama is the dirtiest campaigner in our history.
Posted by: young_voter | Sep 18, 2008 12:49:40 AM
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Young voter, I guess this is your first rodeo? Bush and Rove make Obama look rather pedestrian.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | September 18, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

Dave in Iv
re: ‘ this is the first Congress unable to pass a budget.”
The 1995 shutdown of the United States federal government was a major political crisis in which the U.S. federal government, as a result of a failure to pass a budget bill…. The major players were Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich. The shutdown, however, was generally considered to have resulted in a victory for President Clinton. During the shutdown, Gingrich’s complaint that he had been ignored by Clinton on a flight back from the funeral of Yitzhak Rabin was widely reported, resulting in the perception that Gingrich was acting in a petty, egotistical manner. Later polling suggested that the event badly damaged Gingrich politically.
re:
“Stomp them all into the ground after humiliating them as much as possible.”
Where have you been for the last 8 years? That is the best summery of republicanism that I’ve seen recently..
Palin doesn’t even understand that using secure email is a good thing when doing government business

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

Does he just think we’re stupid?
Posted by: katharine | Sep 18, 2008 12:55:47 AM
If you don’t keep an open mind and look at the facts, then the answer to your question is obvious.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am

There is a kind of amnesia-like insanity in a lot of McCain supporters.
A poster above me said “Obama has hit a new low.” But there is zero doubt in any independent critique, that McCain’s campaign has been “lower” and less honest. As a matter of fact that has been true about Republican campaigns for years.
As for the economy, the problems have largely had to do with deregulation and the republican pitch that government has to “get out of the way of business”. Yes, Bush is one of the worse presidents in American history, but he also represents one of the few times the Republican policy was allowed to be enacted unhindered, in part because of his popularity after 9/11, in part because Bush/Cheney set about to achieve their goals no matter how slimy they had to be, and in part because the Republicans have controlled congress for most of this time and have a too weak Democratic majority to stop them. In terms of Economics, What McCain believes is 90% the same of what Bush/Cheney believe, and we really don’t want that again.

Posted by: Wake Up Please | September 18, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

Dave in iV
re: “the Dems won’t hold any hearings on who was responsible for this?”
hang in there good buddy, ..after the elections I believe the Dems will indeed investigate whose responsible for what, in many areas and it won’t be restricted to recent events… might even go back…. say………. 8 years

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

Republicans don’t believe in the federal gov’t. Reagan said it *was* the problem. How can you expect a party to run a gov’t effectively when it doesn’t believe it can be run effectively?
The last 28 years shows this. Rs claim they will control spending, but ironically — they have been the absolute worst spenders when in control.
Now, they’re trying to fool America into thinking that only THEY can fix this mess… this mess which they actually created.
It is insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results (Einstein). It is insanity to think that voting for the same Republican party that put us in this mess will be the solution to get us out.

Posted by: Mark | September 18, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

mccain hated regulation before he was for it. ha! the great unraveling of mccain/palin continues, and they have only themselves and their lies to blame. brilliant.

Posted by: otis | September 18, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am

“… and i can see russia from my house!”

Posted by: palin | September 18, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

I remember the McCain strategy, focusing on personality and not on the issues.
Well, we have one gigantic issue that is hitting us right in the face
So stop whining about Obama is not nice to McCain. The NeoCon republicans blew it big time, leaving this country in a big economic mess, a debt that doubled, a messy war.

Posted by: clabs | September 18, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am

John McCain is the Elmer Fudd of politics, he just keeps bumbling and stumbling his way through this election. The only reason why this race is ‘supposedly’ close is all down to the majority of obvious right wing media Ace’s. The media has tried and so far failed in it’s attempts to elect the imbecile McCain and neocon Bill Kristol’s protege Sarah Palin. If these 2 people get in the White House, America will become like a third world country. McCain would cripple our economy further by his uncontrollable thirst for war. This is serious times and so needs serious leaders, with solutions and foresight into the problems facing us tomorrow. If we are not careful, America could be replaced in the G7 by Brazil, yeah sounds funny..
So if you want to see the decline of the western world in your lifetime, vote Palin/McCain.. Remember, when crap hits the fan, please stand up and let the rest of America see the types of idiots we have amongst us.

Posted by: Texas John | September 18, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am

I was at the Obama rally tonight in las vegas, It was amazing!! The people who were there were old, young black white latin asian. I looked around and understood why Barrack will be the next POTUS. He gets it, he is not 72, but has vision beyond his years, his message is one of inclusion, not exclusion as is McCaine who has been hitting Obama with a sledge hammer for the last two weeks starting with his vile convention, the lies in his ads and the complete disregaurd for truth and honor. his whole campaign has basically taken the tactic of the women who catches her husband having sex with another women, the husband says over and over again I was not having sex your imagining it, if you say it enough the women starts to doubt what shes seen , so as many times the McCaine camp tries to pull away from bush, and the republican party “maverick” mccaine and “i can see russia from my house” palin can not hide behind this nonsence, am glad Obama is hitting back hard and the press is calling the mccaine campain out for what it is out of touch and vile. I hope Obama keeps hitting back HARD! Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, it would be insane to reelect bush/mccaine.
OBAMA 08

Posted by: james carreira | September 18, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

To Dave in Iv:
“I am not aware of any Republican congress that had a veto proof majority, certainly none during Bush’s term.”
Why would Republicans need a veto proof majority with a Republican president? Have you thought this through?
“They often had a one vote majority, yet this is the first Congress unable to pass a budget.”
Actually, it hasn’t happened since… the Congress just before this one. Way back in 2006, when the Republicans had both houses of congress and the presidency, they passed only 2 ofthe 11 required spending bills.

Posted by: DryHeat | September 18, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

McCain can’t Spin he way out this!
Barack is right, it’s a joke McCain trying to be Change”
Anyway here is the latest Poll
“New York Times Poll” today.
Obama 48%
McCain 43%
75 % said McCain Picked Palin to help him “Win the Election” Rather than her being Well-Qualified to be President. (So much for Country-First)
(I guess people are paying Attention and they can see through McCain’s Disingenuous motives)
Where as
31% said they thought that Obama picked Biden more to help him win the Election,
57% said Obama picked Biden because he was Well-Qualified to be President!
66% said Obama “Shared their Values” (That’s Great for Obama’)
61% McCain “Shared their Values”
66% said Obama Understood the Needs and Problems “Of People like Yourself“
48% said McCain Understood the Needs and Problems “Of People like Yourself“
65% said that Obama would bring “Real Change” to Washington.
37% said that McCain would bring change to Washington

Posted by: RL | September 18, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am

“Why can’t this guy just talk about issues instead of mocking his opponents? Is this how he’ll conduct foreign affairs if we’re at war?”
Michelle, were you asleep or out of the country all summer? It’s the McCain campaign that has declared publicly that this election will not be about issues. Did you miss the McCain ads comparing Obama to Britney and Paris? Did you miss the constant mocking references to Obama’s celebrity status (ironic, coming from the original political celebrity who has his own page on imdb.com)? Did you miss the mocking of Obama’s “grand” lifestyle when he went to Hawaii, where he was raised, to visit his grandmother, who raised him? (Again, ironic coming from the man who doesn’t know how many houses he has.)
And Obama has spent plenty of time talking about issues. That’s why he hasn’t been doing the big rallies. Even a big chunk of the convention speech was on policy specifics.
Your foreign affairs comment doesn’t quite follow, but I’d rather have Obama’s cool hand dealing with a crisis than Mr. Hothead, whose first response is to send in the 82nd Airborne. Are you ready to go to war with Russia over Georgia? We’d be there already if McCain had his way.
McCain-Palin ’08: Because two wars are not enough!

Posted by: Ann Arbor | September 18, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am

For those of you saying Obama has hit a low. PLEASE. You were not voting for him anyway.
Also its not LOW to tell the truth relavent to this election.
What’s low is claiming Obama wants to teach children how to have sex and wants to kill babies and eat them. THAT’S LOW.
But so long as your candidate is being low it’s cool right?

Posted by: JN | September 18, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

re: post by: Jazzman | Sep 18, 2008 12:59:54 AM
1. Most history books look at the 1995 budget impasse where a Rep Congress tried to implement it’s “Contract with America” and push through a large tax cut. Clinton was against it and won. Even so, a budget to Clinton’s liking was signed before the year was out.
They did not go out the year without the next year’s budget determined.
Classic case of Dem legislation when there is overwhelming support to drill for offshore oil:
1. Only allow drilling 50 miles or more offshore although 80% of the oil is closer to shore and thus offlimits.
2. Require states approve the drilling
3. Do NOT allow ANY revenue sharing with the states, thus giving them no incentive to approve anything.
Dems thus want oil companies to drill only where there isn’t any oil.
Re: emails: Only Dems would think hacking into personal emails and posting them on the net is the right thing to do.
Isn’t this another example of Dem dirty tricks?
And some are proud of it?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am

Obama is trying comedy now?
Obama is not funny. He is scary. Bates Motel scary.
Also, with Obama being in Beverly Hills, eating steak with the Hollywood elite at over $25,000 per plate, I wonder what the good folks in PA, and Ohio, and Michigan, and Virginia think about Obama’s Disneyland tour?
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary ’12

Posted by: USVet | September 18, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am

Most appropriate SNL routine:
McCain as the Pathological Liar.
“It’s just a … mental recession … yeah, that’s it … a mental recession … yeah”
TOO FUNNY.

Posted by: Ed from MA | September 18, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am

I find it amazing that McCain isn’r getting slammed for his involvement in The Keating Five scandal. I also am amazed that no one is talking about McCain’s desire to privatize Social Security. Surely both of these issues speak directly to the electorate about his lack of honor and his disregard for seniors on a fixed income.
He is my senator and I would never vote for him. Living here in Arizona sure does open one’s eyes to the McCains and their sordid history. Ask Cindy about what really happened, both in her illicit affair with John and with her drug addiction and subsequent use of her wealth to get off scott free while destroying people’s lives. These are not people I can ever respect.

Posted by: andie | September 18, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am

I thought McCain wanted to inject humor in to politics. Now it’s not so funny when truthful statements are hilarious to simply calling Obama a celebrity.
And the rest of America needs to come out of your denial about McCain and the Republican’s. Its becoming clinical.

Posted by: Trent Dillard | September 18, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am

re:Post by: DryHeat | Sep 18, 2008 1:18:54 AM
Your logic escapes me. In one sentence you say a super majority in Congress is not needed since the Reps had both congress and the white house.
Then you say the Reps only passed 2 of the 11 required spending bills, presumably because the Dems blocked the other 9.
Haven’t you just made my case the Dems HAD and continue to have the capability to block any bill throughout Bush’s term?
How many of the 11 required spending bills have passed this year? Isn’t it zero in a Dem controled congress?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am

lISA AND pAULr. Where are you from? If you were really for Obama from the beginning, you’d know him like we do. He’s hitting back where he has to. He’s the most authentic candidate I’ve seen in years and I’ve been around since JFK was assasinated. Don’t give us this mock surprise that Obama has gone dirty. He’s fighting fire with fire as he should. Not his choice… but McCains
Posted by: Nancy | Sep 18, 2008 1:42:15 AM
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McCain supporters are upset because they thought Obama was a wuss that would’nt or could’nt fight back. Surprise, they are getting pummeled by Obama’s jujitsu. Brilliant ha ha.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | September 18, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am

Chuck, PaulR, Lisa
How do you expect him to win if he doesn’t hammer McShrub on the issues that McShrub doesn’t understand? Obama HAS offered REAL solutions, and McShrub has vowed to continue with the SAME failed policies of NOT just the Shrub himself, but the Republican Party in general.
If you can’t remember, Obama slid in the polls because he wasn’t pushing back hard enough against McShrub and McPalin’s LIES, but now he is hitting back too hard? Is that what you are saying?

Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am

I see Camp Mac more like caricatures.
Their campaigns is reminiscent of an old grainy black and white cartoon with those stipped lines rolling through the screen.
It would be nice if it was silent cartoon, for McCain’s sake.
It’s refreshing to see Obama using humor
as a method of getting tough. It works because with all that has gone wrong with our country we have to either laugh or cry. He understands our emotions and knows brutal attacks will only add salt to America’s economic and societal wounds.

Posted by: clarity | September 18, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am

Obama is finally taking a stand and hitting back – out of the park !!
Don’t forget USVet that McCane took in a fund raiser in FL the night before Obama’s trip to Hollywood !!!
If he had cancelled it would have put a lot of people out of work for the night (in all areas of the food industry and hotel), food wasted and a very disappointed crowd – you just can’t cancel on a whim. Besides McCane took in a fund raiser the night before – remember???

Posted by: rosie | September 18, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am

re: Post by: andie | Sep 18, 2008 1:39:49 AM
I find it amazing that McCain isn’r getting slammed for his involvement in The Keating Five scandal. I also am amazed that no one is talking about McCain’s desire to privatize Social Security. Surely both of these issues speak directly to the electorate about his lack of honor and his disregard for seniors on a fixed income.
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Perhaps the Keating 5 scandal is a non-issue because the lead prosecutor who is also a Dem said and is currently saying JM is innocent of all charges.
Given Social Security is going broke what is the Dem solution? Ostrich time!!
Keep everything as is and seniors get wiped out.
When Dems were asked to join a bipartisan committee to come up with a solution they boycotted and refused to come up with any plan at all.
Other countries have solved their social security system problem by privatizing and they were successful. Chile is one example where it worked well.
Who has the lack of honor? A person recommending a solution or those that don’t?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am

Has McCain shared his thoughts regarding the draft? Who’s gonna fight all these wars him and Palin will start? Seriously. Should we be worried about this? Should I go ahead and purchase my 18 year old son a one way ticket to Canada. Obama went negative because it was needed, McCain was telling lie after lie. No need for to be embarrased I am actually proud. Fire with fire. Would you continue to let a bully fight you on the playground without hitting back? Didn’t think so.

Posted by: tnobamagirl | September 18, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am

I see Obama as a catfish. Time for him to get fat since everything is dropping to the bottom.

Posted by: Obama-Yah-Wright | September 18, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am

Lisa, your wrong…this is his new high. He’s not throwing untrue facts. He’s throwing true facts with some humor as the vehicle. I didn’t see anything he said as being false and I’m a factcheck.org regular.
The pure reality is John McCain does not understand how the economy works, he and Phil Gram were the masterminds of financial institution deregulations therefore he is not fit to be president during serious economic difficulties.
I like how Obama is bringing up the topic of the Savings and Loan scandal and not connecting McCain to it. He’s letting high level dems do that dirty work….

Posted by: PalinComparison2Obama | September 18, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am

USVet – It is over for the McSame/Palin ticket. Wake up and smell the coffey. You right wing nuts are getting a taste of your on medicine and it feels good to have some like Obama hit you right wing nuts back harder and harder right up to the elections. You right wing nuts will no keep the American people down this time around.
Well Lisa, McShame have hit a new low mmonths ago and I didn’t hear you complianing then so don’t complain now that Obama is hitting you right wing nuts back with a two by four.

Posted by: gl | September 18, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am

What is refreshing is seeing JM & Palin in a townhall answering all questions.
How exactly does Barrack use a teleprompter to answer his townhall questions?
Does he know the questions ahead of time or is someone else just typing away telling him what to say?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am

Dave in iV
Re: “emails: Only Dems would think hacking into personal emails and posting them on the net is the right thing to do. Isn’t this another example of Dem dirty tricks? ”
Only a Republican would not admit that using unsecured Yahoo email for state biz is dumb… and then further try to imply that Dems think it’s the right thing to do when no one has said that… more lies.
You keep saying that republicans do no wrong, and fault lies with everyone else..
You will lose because Republicans can’t run away from their record for the last 8 years. They can hide from the name ‘republican’, but their policies and judgments can be checked out for accuracy and effect…… and it has!
Bush & Cheney were running the show..
McCain a marginal player but supporting the party platform he is also responsible.
facts continue to be stubborn things

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am

Ann Arbor – Can’t stand the heat get out the kitchen. You right wing nuts wasn’t complaining with McShame was lieing on Obama and even told the view the reason why he is running negative ads is becasue Obama will not do town hall meeting with him. McShame soud like some kid that didn’t get their candy.

Posted by: gl | September 18, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am

re:post by: tnobamagirl | Sep 18, 2008 2:06:30 AM
Don’t worry about any draft. The only ones actually proposing it are Dems.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am

What is refreshing is seeing JM & Palin in a townhall answering all questions.
How exactly does Barrack use a teleprompter to answer his townhall questions?
Does he know the questions ahead of time or is someone else just typing away telling him what to say?
Posted by: Dave in lv | Sep 18, 2008 2:10:37 AM
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What is refreshing is seeing Obama slam McCain upside the head with the hard unvarnished truth.
How exactly does JM and Palin townhall question and answer appearances change the fact they are habitual liars that can’t be trusted?
Do they know the questions ahead of time or is someone else just coaching them on what to say?
Brilliant ha ha.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | September 18, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

When there’s no prompter, look for an micro earphone – albeit a bit hard to see with his huge ears. The um ah sounds you hear is the delay waiting for cues over the air waves.

Posted by: Obama-Yah-Wright | September 18, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am

Dave in lv | Sep – Sorry dude Mcshame and Palin didn’t answer the questions they were asked they talked around them as usually.

Posted by: gl | September 18, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am

Alic – If you actually look at the text of the “Sex Ed” bill, it’s primary purpose was to amend existing legislation to clarify/insure that courses included medically accurate information. And, to include info on requiring HIV/AIDS information be included in all classes and that abstinence be included. The bill also amended the existing legislation to refer to K-12 rather than 6-12.
The one bit in the actual legislation re: “protecting children” was one paragraph, applicable to all K-12 students, with no special language for kindergarteners. In fact, nothing in the bill limits the information provided to Ks, with the exception of it being age-appropriate and medically accurate, as decided on by school officials on a locality by locality basis.
End result – if bill had been passed – each district would be able to decide what type of sex education class/information to share with Ks.
Might not have been Obama’s intent, but it was the language of the bill.

Posted by: SL | September 18, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

CBS News/NY Times
Obama +5
Gallup Tracking
Obama +2
Hotline/FD Tracking
Obama +3

Posted by: RyanD. | September 18, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

gl – You aren’t talking to me, I’m an Obama canvasser.

Posted by: RyanD. | September 18, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am

Obama-Yah-Wright – I am going to sleep good tonight just reading the right wing nuts comments make me so happing. They are running scarzed and they need to be becasue McShame have cost the election to go to Obama with McShame many bad judgements if have made alone the way. Palin was one of his biggest bad judgement. She lied today when she was being interview by Sean Hannity regarding the same question on When Mcshame offer you the VP job how did you handle it. She said this time she have to think it over and discussed it with her daughters. Now the other day she said I didn’t even brink. She is a liar that will fit the right wing nuts just fine.

Posted by: gl | September 18, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

I cannot believe the lies the McCain campaign is spreading. I am no McCain supporter, but come on, you don’t have to lie like small things:
- McCain and Blackberry
- How Sarah Palin accepted the nomination (in one interview, she says – she did not blink and her family did not know until later ABC; in another – she said she took a vote of her daughters before accepting FOX. What is it?)

Posted by: Tony | September 18, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

You keep saying that republicans do no wrong, and fault lies with everyone else..
Posted by: Jazzman | Sep 18, 2008 2:15:10 AM
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I have never said Reps do no wrong. They sometimes do, just as Dems sometimes make mistakes.
I just try to keep an open mind and look at the facts, including the details.
It is a fact Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were run by Dems and appointed by Dems. It is a fact they ran it like their own personal bank account with payoffs to friends. It is a fact Dems on the oversight committee received audit reports reporting trouble and did nothing. It is a fact these same Dems blocked reforms proposed by people who were not receiving kickbacks.
It is a fact Dems do not want any investigation into the biggest scandal ever to hit the US and are trying their best to block any.
And Obama being the second largest recipient of funds is explained how?
I wonder why HE doesn’t want any investigation?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

RyanD. | Sep – Sorry no I am not talking to you only the McShame supporters.

Posted by: gl | September 18, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

I don’t know where some of you guys are geting your info but a vote for O’bama is a vote for the poor house not the white house. And let us not forget it was the dems that changed the laws for Freddie and Fannie. They wanted everyone to have a house whether they could afford it or not. And guess what they could not afford the house hence all the foreclosures. So please no more dems!!!!!

Posted by: judy m | September 18, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am

When I finally stop being scared of this couple: Bush + bad temper and Bush + lipstick + even more extremism?
The son of a president was terrible enough, but now these republicans got something even scarier!
Obama/Biden 2008

Posted by: Oleg | September 18, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am

Finally, after fatuously allowing lies, half-truths, and innuendos, the MSM has made a real attempt to present more factual information to the viewing public instead of just giving ‘equal time’ to both candidates.
Deregulation of FCC rules ended up allowing very narrow views about acceptable candidates. When so few media outlets control the content, ‘spin’ is substituted for fact and inevitably truth. The public is harmed by depending on the MSM for its sole provider of journalistic integrity.
The ‘internets’ are not a friend to the McCain/Palin republican ticket. The ones that are unfriendly to the Obama/Biden ticket don’t pass the smell test.

Posted by: dowl | September 18, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am

Tony – That what I am saying this lady just lie for no reason and think the American people are so stupid and will not caught her lies, but we did and i am trying of her lies. We don’t even know this woman and she just keep lieing the American people like we are just to dump to relize all her lies she have been telling the American people. We all ready have someone that have lied to the American people for 8 years. Wake up American people and get out any vote for Obama and put an end to all these liars that have been running this country to the ground.

Posted by: gl | September 18, 2008, 2:38 am 2:38 am

You keep saying that republicans do no wrong, and fault lies with everyone else..
Posted by: Jazzman | Sep 18, 2008 2:15:10 AM
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I have never said Reps do no wrong. They sometimes do, just as Dems sometimes make mistakes.
I just try to keep an open mind and look at the facts, including the details.
It is a fact Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were run by Dems and appointed by Dems. It is a fact they ran it like their own personal bank account with payoffs to friends. It is a fact Dems on the oversight committee received audit reports reporting trouble and did nothing. It is a fact these same Dems blocked reforms proposed by people who were not receiving kickbacks.
It is a fact Dems do not want any investigation into the biggest scandal ever to hit the US and are trying their best to block any.
And Obama being the second largest recipient of funds is explained how?
I wonder why HE doesn’t want any investigation?
Posted by: Dave in lv | Sep 18, 2008 2:32:34 AM
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Your claims of being open minded and fair and balanced might seem somewhat cridible if you also list republican wrongdoing. Let’s see if you can do that.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | September 18, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

Wait…… Bush controls the executive branch of our government, and Obama is blocking the investigation. Do you know how stupid that sounds? McSame is blocking the investigation up in Alaska, Bush is blocking the invetigation of the DOJ firings, too many to go on. Now freddie and fannie go under 8 years into a republican administration and you still reach back to the 90′s to pull in a democrat. How silly can one be?

Posted by: qmaster | September 18, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am

I don’t know where some of you guys are geting your info but a vote for O’bama is a vote for the poor house not the white house. And let us not forget it was the dems that changed the laws for Freddie and Fannie. They wanted everyone to have a house whether they could afford it or not. And guess what they could not afford the house hence all the foreclosures. So please no more dems!!!!!
Posted by: judy m | Sep 18, 2008 2:34:39 AM
Nice try, but it was McCain’s chief economic advisor Phil Gramm who as a senator created the loophole that allowed the subprime mortgage crisis. Go try that bogus tripe elsewhere,

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | September 18, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am

Obama is telling the truth! The Republicans started calling him sexist (because he talked about lipstick), then a pervert (because he wants to teach children to protect themselves from predators), then an appeaser(because he wants dialog instead of going to war with the risk of killing innocent people), and on, and on..etc.. The truth hurts but it is the truth, in the end the choice Americans make will be felt in own flesh and blood and Americans do not want any more wars, or people in the White House who have no idea about the average American’s needs!

Posted by: carmen | September 18, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am

Obama lacks any class whatsoever.
He’s sarcastic and condescending, and feels we “owe” him this “historic” opportunity. A lady in line at Target today said it best– he’s a jerk and a sexist pig.
His policies are just recycling of the same tired Democratic talking points we’ve been subjected to since McGovern.
Nothing fresh or new.
Obama, with all his ACORN baggage, is part of the Washington problem.

Posted by: Karen S | September 18, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am

I am so disgusted with those of you who are still resorting ridiculous personal and character talking points WHEN OUR ECONOMY IS IN A ONCE IN A CENTURY CRISIS. This is really really serious crisis – could be worst than the great depression. Those stupid Americans who elected a dumb and incompetent George W Bush better WAKE UP and please please don’t make the same mistake with McCain and Palin.

Posted by: Eric | September 18, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am

re: Post by: qmaster | Sep 18, 2008 2:42:44 AM
Chris Dodd (Dem) is the committee chairman who oversees Fannie and Freddie and was the largest recipient of their money (oops, contributions).
Obama was the second largest recipient of their contributions. Why?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am

If the Dems were so serious about fixing the economy, they would put HC at the top. Going for a trainee is no way to tell people about our current crisis. We are the glue that holds the global economy together. Likely protective policies from Obama will worsen the crisis.

Posted by: Obama-Yah-Wright | September 18, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

When the unemployment rate is 6% and the average under Clinton I believe was 7%, under Carter was 12% plus and in the Depression was 35-45% we are not quite in chicken little the sky is falling league yet.
We may yet get there if Obama is elected though…

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 3:04 am 3:04 am

I can not believe what I have read here. The nation is fall apart and we get Rep’s in here that will not hold their party accountable for any of there actions. We Dem’s hold our party accountable for their action why can’t the Rep’s.
It’s time to put all the bull a side and start working togethter. Rep’s wanting to Drill, Dem’s give them that in return for accountable for OIl companies to return the tax payers money back to the People and Rep’s refused the deal. Rep’s say the Oil companies shouldn’t have to pay back the money they get once they find oil. Now that is just bull.
Go Obama. One thing Rep’s don’t see is that this is a people movement not a party movement and the Rep’s fear that they will lose the power to control Washington. Well this Independent hopss they do. Eight years is enough. NO more Rep ideology.

Posted by: Mrs Ethel | September 18, 2008, 3:07 am 3:07 am

You McCain supporters are the ones that got us into this mess in the first place by voting for GW Bush! Now you want to make the same mistake again?!This time, third time is not a charm. I was at the rally in Las Vegas tonight and you are wrong about Obama. Obama is going to win by a landslide in Nevada and across America. We aren’t going to make the same mistake. We’re going to vote for the REAL CHANGE and that is Barack Obama!!!
Obama shaked my hand today and he is the real deal. Amazing person with genuine kindness in his heart and in his eyes. People were yelling “We love you!” and were reaching out their hands because they know he is our hope and actually cares. Obama exudes positive energy, intelligence, and determination to put us in the right direction. That kind of kindness and love for our Country is what we need right now, not another liar (McCain) who wants to steal from the poor and give to the rich. Enough is Enough!
Genuine kindness has to be within your heart and unfortunately, McCain just doesn’t have it.

Posted by: Kate4Change NV | September 18, 2008, 3:10 am 3:10 am

Dave IV:
Please don’t run a McCain/Palin campaign of lies and misinformation here. Under Clinton, unemployment 4%, budget surplus $200B+, foreign debt $4 trillion. NOW, unemployment 6.1% (and growing FAST!!!), budget DEFICIT $450B+ and foreign debt $8 trillion!!!!! AND, MCCAIN STILL WANTS TO SPEND $12B A MONTH IN IRAQ, GIVE $1B TO GEORGIA AND GIVE BILLIONS IN TAX CUT TO EXXON MOBILE!!! NOW, THESE ARE THE FACTS AND STUPID LYING!!!

Posted by: Eric | September 18, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am

Mrs Ethel
Reps have proposed a drilling bill that would allow oil companies to drill offshore. They would be taxed similar to what happens in Alaska where the states get a very large share of the revenue. Each Alaskan currently receives $1-2k per year as a rebate from the oil revenue.
Classic case of Dem legislation when there is overwhelming support to drill for offshore oil:
1. Only allow drilling 50 miles or more offshore although 80% of the oil is closer to shore and thus offlimits.
2. Require states approve the drilling
3. Do NOT allow ANY revenue sharing with the states, thus giving them no incentive to approve anything.
Dems thus want oil companies to drill only where there is little if any oil and are too stingy to give ANY of the revenue to the states.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am

To Dave in lv:
First, The Democrats recognize that we’re headed down that path, just because it isn’t as bad as the great depression yet doesn’t mean we can’t change course and prevent it before the last eight years of dysmal failure becomes twelve or worse. Secondly, You can’t link Obama to Fannie and Freddie without mentioning that McCain’s largest campaign donors were from the now free falling Merrill Lynch. It doesn’t mean anything unless you can find something on Obama’s Senate record that you can say ‘aha this shows lobbying influence’ which you didn’t.
To Obama-Yah-Wright:
And this is coming from a supporter of a guy who says the fundamentals of the economy is strong. Not even Bush will go that far these days! No, theres no reason why Obama can’t handle the economy when he’s got a policy already drawn up and ready to go. The idea is to put a Democrat in the Oval Office with majorities in the house and senate… Then we could really turn over a new leaf in Washington. sorry but your predictions are as valid as a magic 8-ball.

Posted by: Ricey | September 18, 2008, 3:39 am 3:39 am

Eric,
You are wrong with your accusation of “lies”. I said I thought the average unemployment rate for Clinton was 7%. I was wrong. The rate started at 7.3% and ended at 4.4% with an average of 5.85%.
Clinton’s average is not that different than today’s rate.
I was correct that Carter had a 12% unemployment rate and depending on the source the Depression actually did have an unemployment rate estimated at 35-45%.
If anyone has better sources than the ones I’ve found, please let me know.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am

It’s amazing how happy a number of Dems can be when things go bad for the US. It seems to make some almost giddy with joy to see a rise in unemployment or a major drop in the stock market.
I hope all of us give a little of our own personal money to relief efforts to the victims of hurricane Ike.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am

John McCain has a fundamentals problem…
It is political as well as economic, and it remains the biggest obstacle standing between the Arizona senator and the White House.
McCain didn’t single-handedly create this problem but he made it worse Monday when, as Wall Street was melting down, he uttered words — “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” — Barack Obama has hammered him at every stop since as a man out of touch with reality.
Were McCain known as a student of the economy, this instance of a very badly delivered statement would matter little. Because he is known as someone who is not, it matters plenty. McCain has responded by ratcheting up his rhetoric about cracking down on Wall Street and Washington…
As with his Monday misstep, once again the message is mixed. Guns blazing, McCain is promising to ride into town to — oversee the creation of a “commission to study the problem.” He is speaking out in favor of regulation, but against a history of opposing any kind of regulation, he has a big problem. He has expressed his outrage, but what is the balance he would strike between the old and new McCain?
What ever will McBush do?? Say Goodbye, that’s what!!
Vote for Real Leaders, Obama/Biden ’08!!

Posted by: Davis | September 18, 2008, 3:58 am 3:58 am

For all those concerned with deficits and total debt, Obama’s LATEST economic plan is to give everyone a $1k check and hold off any and all tax increases until we are out of this recession.
He will also implement his other spending programs as well such as free pre-school for everyone, increasing teachers salaries, reduce world wide poverty by 25%, invest in autos and new energy technologies, etc, etc,.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 4:10 am 4:10 am

The phony, His Nothingness’s solution to this economy is promising you to give you $1000 bucks if you vote for him. He thought you are so cheap, an empty promise of $1000 is gonna purchase your votes.
What did the “stimulus” cash has done to this economy? This phony has bragged and lied about that it is He who steered the congress to pass even that phony bill. In the end, it costs the tax payers, You, more money for the government to bail out big banks, investment firms, mortgage lenders and insurance groups, whose CEOs dines and contributes to Zero-bama.
If congressional leaders had followed HRC’s proposal to target specific sectiors, finance and mortgage default, it might have prevented the big bail outs, and Wall Street might have been more bullish.
Are you looking for a Zero-bama crash on Wall Street? Then, he is your phony.

Posted by: d0 | September 18, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am

Davis either doesn’t know or forgot JM proposed reducing the size of Fannie and Freddie and reducing their expansion into riskier loans 2-3 years ago.
His proposals were rejected by Barney Franks (Dem) and Chris Dodd (Dem) on the oversight committees.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am

I read on one of these posts where it says “You democrats are always so happy when something goes wrong in this country”, well I must say how does it feel? When 9/11 happened the Republicans hit the ground running to put in place all their restrictions and censorship, not to mention war profiteering, all in the name of “Patriotism”. Then when we didn’t all lie down for them, suddenly there was Anthrax and everything that is Iraq. Now who profited from all the atrocities of the last 8 years? I guess you just aren’t so happy because you aren’t in the richest %1 who actually got paid from it, just one of the other blind mice who will be constantly chasing after the cheese. Why don’t you wash it down with some Kool-Aid while you’re at it? I sincerely hope this kind of “Follow the leader” mentality is in it’s last days and people finally wake up and think for themselves. TURN OFF YOUR TV!!!

Posted by: Charles | September 18, 2008, 4:30 am 4:30 am

McCain did not distance himself from Gramm, they are very close friends, and have been for years; Gramm is McCain’s mentor. The author of this blog surely knows this?
Gramm, the man who brought us all deregulation of financial markets in 1999, is the author of McCain’s economic policy.
It is insulting that McCain would offer Americans four more years of the failed policy that brought us predatory lending and eradication of the middle class. Republicans have got to go, it’s time for democracy again.

Posted by: applebutter | September 18, 2008, 4:43 am 4:43 am

guess the Swiftboat Party doesn’t like the taste of its own medicine.
So far Obama has been easy on McSame and his band of BushBots. Go after then Obama..
expose them for the lying Rove stooges they really are!

Posted by: Gus | September 18, 2008, 4:54 am 4:54 am

Gus
you obamabots should be worried…Obama should be way ahead bu hes not he will not win the election

Posted by: staniam | September 18, 2008, 4:57 am 4:57 am

Regarding unemployment during the depression: Oops. No excuses. I made a mistake. I’m not sure if I read the 35-45% as localized unemployment in the dustbowl of the US (Grapes of Wrath) or if I confused it with the 42% drop in wages.
“By 1933, the height of the depression, unemployment had risen from 3% to 25% of the nation’s workforce. Wages for those who still had jobs fell 42%. GDP was cut in half, from $103 to $55 billion.”
The point that we will soon end up in an economic state worse or as bad as the depression is not a very likely scenario.
Davis can do his little Snoopy dance because yes, I made a mistake.
Best wishes to all and good night!

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 4:59 am 4:59 am

Obama just lost all the “girls”. Now he’s freaking out with Palin on McCain’s side.
Obama will have a difficult time regaining any momentum, now that the new girl in town, Sarah Palin has spoken. Obama and his clan of far left radicals may have lost his minimal lead permanently.
Palin’s convention speech was tremendous. Hillary’s speech was terrific. We have seen two women with ambition and love for our country demonstrate to the world a vitality that will not be forgotten.
With Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama could have made history – but instead, Obama chose not to do so. Now McCain and his VP pick are doing just that.
Obama hogged history. So Hillary’s 18 million voters watching her speech will likely produce no gain for Obama. Instead, it will lay the basis for a lasting resentment at Obama’s failure to select her as VP. Palin’s presence was the icing on the cake.
Obama can’t win the votes of women, especially older women.
The combination of Hillary’s speech the other night and Sarah Palin’s speech, made Obama’s chance of winning those women voters a lot harder, if not impossible.

Posted by: Al from NJ | September 18, 2008, 5:00 am 5:00 am

Who is McCains largest contributor?
Merrill Lynch
How many Financial Lobbyist are on the McCain staff? 7
How many times this year alone did McCain say our Economy was fundamentally strong? 22
McCain is a deregulator, he has always been for “freer markets”. His buddy Phil Gramm pushed the bill thru in 1999. Now we are supposed to believe he’s for regulation.
Give me a break.

Posted by: Republican4ever | September 18, 2008, 5:06 am 5:06 am

Obama is not what this country needs. All he does is point fingers. McCain actually voice concern a few years back that Fannie and Freddie were going to break down. No one would listen. The Democrats were too busy basking in the glory of their “success” of the equal housing for all instituted under Clinton. You remember, the bill that said we should make mortgages more readily available to low income families. This economic crisis is to blame on Congress, but you wont see them pointing their fingers their way anytime soon. It is an election year and they want Bush out. McCain has a strong sense of leadership and integrity. Obama is all talk (and most recently inappropriate talk). Go to the New York Post and read the headline that is being overshadowed by the economy. The one about Obama straight up lying about conversations with Iraq’s PM and Gen Pietraus. Obama tried to convince Iraq to hold off on negotiations to end the war until he took office. How slimy. How dishonest. How unamerican. Some might call it treasoneous. Oh and by the way, a note on the economy. Obama said he developed the economic stimulus package this past year yet he wasn’t around Congress when the president’s package was brought to a vote. So much for looking out for me.

Posted by: robin | September 18, 2008, 5:09 am 5:09 am

ou obamabots should be worried…Obama should be way ahead bu hes not he will not win the election
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I’m not worried. Not only will he win but he’ll win by a land slide.
The Bush/McCain fiscal policies are coming home to roost and people vote with their pocketbooks.
No one, not even the kool aid drinkers will trust this group for 4 more of the same.
Of course you can hope that your new energy czar, Gov. Palin, with her vast financial experience and her view of Russia will save you… but that’s not gonna happen. Hell she doesn’t even know what hubris means let alone figure out how to fix a broken economy.

Posted by: Gus | September 18, 2008, 5:10 am 5:10 am

Charles,
Not too many people profited from 9/11 or from our war against Al Qaida. Like many people the major goal after 9/11 was to do what we could to not get hit on US soil again and to minimize any loss of civilian lives. Knock on wood, we have been successful so far.
The facts are Halliburton did not profit, oil companies did not profit, Cheney did not profit nor Bush. A few defense contractors did. Diane Feinstein made millions by giving no bid contracts to her husband for Iraq reconstruction.
The disruption of liberties during this war have been far less than WW1, WW2 or the Civil War.
We have had some successes and some failures. With luck and help from others we will prevail over time.
Best wishes.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 5:16 am 5:16 am

Gus You are right. Obama is going to win in a landslide. As a matter of fact he’ll probably win in all 57 states, not counting Alaska and Hawaii of course.
You should be able to coast from here on in. After all, there is absolutely NO WAY we could ever hope to win. You have us beat in every possible way.
We’ll probably lose every seat in the house and senate as well. Palin will go back home to Alaska and JM will just be another small minority senator.
Good night and sweet dreams

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 5:24 am 5:24 am

I find it interesting as I read most of the comments listed. Those in favor of Republicans tend to show facts and numbers – concrete evidence of their point. In contrast, the Democrates comment tend to just be emotional and use loud words to get your attention. Why is that? (By the way,I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat – I am for a leader who will work to be honest, keep my family safe and regulate where regulation is needed. I work, struggle with debt like most and am doing what I can to raise a family).
Lastly, the economy is strong. If you look at the numbers, we are still over 10,000. That is huge. Our market has just been so over inflated that any decrease is seen as catastrophic. Don’t get me wrong, I see the recent fall outs as an issue, but it is an issue that needs to be addressed in the business community not in the govt. I don’t feel I should bail out people who took a risk. No one is bailing me out of bad choices I may or may not have made. Think about this – if you buy a used car and don’t inspect it first, you are taking a risk and if that car breaks down within a short period of time, who is blame? It’s you!!! These businesses took a risk and gambled. The mortgage brokers should have reviewed more closely what they were buying. If they did, they might not have gambled so much. When you go to a casino or invest in the stock market, you take a risk too. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. And when you lose, you can’t ask the pit boss or the brokers for your money back just because the dice weren’t in your favor. Why should we be responsible for someone else’s recklessness. I can’t afford to take care of my family and bail out someone else. I knew my limits.

Posted by: Workingmom | September 18, 2008, 5:33 am 5:33 am

Republicans….
Get infront of the mirror and practice saying, “PRE-SI-DENT O-BA-MA”.
You’re gonna be saying it a lot over the next eight years.

Posted by: Felix | September 18, 2008, 5:51 am 5:51 am

In Israel Tzipi Livni has won the primaries and is the first woman who aspires to be prime minister. Democrats don´t believe in equal rights for women, they talk a lot of about it but don´t put it into practice. The leftish discredited Hillary and now try to do the same with Palin.
Have a look around. Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Indira Gandhi, Tzipi Livni, etc.

Posted by: Stephen from Indiana | September 18, 2008, 6:01 am 6:01 am

Who´s one of Obama´s advisors? James Johnson, former member of the board of directors of Fannie Mae.
Gosp, that´s what we really need:
Biden and Johnson, ´really change´

Posted by: Stephen from Indiana | September 18, 2008, 6:06 am 6:06 am

When the tax reductions were passed giving the fat cats big tax reductions I was promised that it would be great for me, millions of new jobs, great for the economy, etc.
Well it was all a bunch of lies, now I want the dam money back.

Posted by: George Bell | September 18, 2008, 6:15 am 6:15 am

Great punchlines, but what exactly does Obama propose doing to steer our economy back on course? And since he has zero record of accomplishment, why should I trust him to deliver?

Posted by: marylou | September 18, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am

Dave,
I would like to take issue with the following.
The facts are Halliburton did not profit, oil companies did not profit, Cheney did not profit nor Bush. A few defense contractors did. Diane Feinstein made millions by giving no bid contracts to her husband for Iraq reconstruction.
Halliburton got a no-bid cost plus contract. In other words they had to get a profit.
It is well documented that they did everything they could to rachet up costs. Some of the better examples. Wrong part sent, destroy it, not send it back, not save it so you have the part on hand when it could be used. After you destroy the part order the correct one and if you get the wrong one again, destroy it. Leasing SUVs for employees in the green zone. Now these employees had no place to drive them (they could not leave the green zone and live a 100 yards from where they were working). On top of that the leases (over $100K a year) were for more than the SUV was worth in the first place. Before the green zone was made, put employees up in the most expensive hotels they could find. The theory, the faster you spend the money the quicker you make the profit.
Hmmm Cheney has or at least had 40,000 stock options in Haliburton, well assuming he did not use them for a good profit. I do think Cheney did profit from these. But since we have no idea how mnay of the stock options he used when Haliburton was riding high, we will never know.

Posted by: Bear | September 18, 2008, 6:50 am 6:50 am

Working Mom:
1.those numbers you see and hear from the republicans are LIES.
2. Every politician, every business person, every economist in every nation on this planet understands that the US economy in in the toilet.
PS I’m a working mom too.

Posted by: sal | September 18, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am

More lipstick, anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: Terry Green | September 18, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am

FYI..
New polls indicate Obama is back in the lead. Looks like the “Palin Effect” was just another fad..

Posted by: Josh | September 18, 2008, 7:35 am 7:35 am

Finally, Obama is telling it like it is. Hit McCain again. And again, and again and again! Such an easy target. McCain and the Repubs are trying to lie their way into another four years of rule. The country couldn’t survive another four years of what we’ve had the last eight years. The chickens are coming home to roost now. Throw the bums out!

Posted by: Scarmouche | September 18, 2008, 7:36 am 7:36 am

Obama’s friends: convicted felon, Tony Rezko. Father figure, Rev Wright. Friend, Bill Ayers.
Obama is wrong for America!
Talk and taxes for a wounded economy? I don’t think so

Posted by: VenusStar | September 18, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am

McCain like an ‘SNL’ routine? He must be talking about a Michael Phelps ‘SNL’ routine because we all know how bad that went…
VOTE THIRD PARTY ’08!

Posted by: Giles | September 18, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am

McCain wants to act like he’s such the champion reformer and his hands are clean of everything. I see why he picked Sarah Palin, because her scandal takes away any interest pertaining to his major participation in the Keating Five S&L disaster and the effect it had on the economy.

Posted by: MervR | September 18, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am

Really…looking forward to that interview by Katie Couric!
This is going to be not only good but “great”!
Momma’s4Obama/Biden08!

Posted by: Jessica | September 18, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am

“We can’t steer ourselves out of this crisis using the same old map, we can’t steer ourselves out of the crisis if the new driver is getting directions from the old driver, and that’s what this election is all about”
Priceless!!!!

Posted by: Democrat | September 18, 2008, 8:11 am 8:11 am

I see some republicans around me, and I think they represent many republicans in this country, also their candidates, McPain. I think they are really dumb. They cannot think logically, and still think they are smart. They complained about things happened to them, high cost insurance, less money, more crimes, difficult economy, etc..etc, and they still want to elect Bush 44.
Hi republicans/independents all over America, use your brain before you elect McPain in Nov 4.

Posted by: Concerned US Resident | September 18, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am

Unfettered capitalism does not work. The Republicans have had their chance to impose their experimental models in the real world and we are finding that regulation was put in place for a reason. Greed, can and will overcome logic, without regualation in place. How else can you explain so many smart people behaving so foolishly? We have the largest deficit in U.S. history. The Democrats have been labeled as “tax and spend” by the Republicans who have been in charge. In contrast, they have been “tax cut and spend more”, which has resulted in this deficit. Anyone that has done a family budget knows that this is unhealthy and disasterous in the long-term. You cannot conduct two wars and not have the money to pay for them! As a result of this illogical course of action, we are forced to sell our debt (bonds)to our foreign neighbors. China alone, could bring this nation to a halt by simply not buying our debt and insisting upon immediate repayment. What manner of madness is this? We won’t even talk about the $700 billion or so that pay to OPEC yearly. Our position is the world is on very, very unstable ground.

Posted by: Marka | September 18, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am

HAHA.
This is getting better everyday.
If you are interested in watching the whole video you will see all the proposals he has. Tax breaks, infastructure projects, balanced budgets.
And of course, nothing is better than the polls going our way now….

Posted by: HKK | September 18, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am

Can a single republican here name one proposal that is going to help the economy as proposed by McCain? Just one?
If I hear tax breaks for the corporations and trickle down theories Iwill puke. Those are debunked – see stock market and credit crisis septembe 2008. I just want one! Please. I looked on his website and could not find one.
I read Sen Obama’s and found lots of ideas.

Posted by: HKK | September 18, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am

Great story….go Obama!! You’re the one to
help us out of this mess!!
Obama/Biden

Posted by: peace190 | September 18, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am

Negative, negative, negative.
Everything about Obama and the people around him and his supporters and his cohorts in the press are just negative, sliming, mud-slinging personal attacks.
Obama will only bring more division in the country; whether it be his sexist barbs, his ageist smears, or his racist untruths or his inciting class warfare.
Obama has become the poster child of what is wrong with Washington politicians.
Why is it that everyone supporting the Obama crusade is so negative and vile?
And now Joe Biden says it is our patriotic duty to pay higher taxes!
Thanks Obama/Biden!

Posted by: Zank | September 18, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am

obama rules!!!

Posted by: bob | September 18, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am

McCain has a solid record of opposing financial regulation, a record he now must answer for. It was he who started the campaign of nastiness, so Obama must fight back. Kerry did not, and was not elected because he was perceived as not tough enough. But I don’t think Obama has done anything dirty. He is scrutinizing McCain’s record and using newspaper critiques of McCain’s own dirty campaign ads. Looks like the GOP can dish it out, but can’t take it. Oh, and I read the US $9 trillion in debt, not “just” $1 trillion. And this all happened under GWBush’s watch, while Clinton managed to give the US a surplus. Why would this country give the GOP four more years of disastrous policies?

Posted by: Anais | September 18, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

“Negative, negative, negative.
Everything about Obama and the people around him and his supporters and his cohorts in the press are just negative, sliming, mud-slinging personal attacks.
Obama will only bring more division in the country; whether it be his sexist barbs, his ageist smears, or his racist untruths or his inciting class warfar
Obama has become the poster child of what is wrong with Washington politicians.
Why is it that everyone supporting the Obama crusade is so negative and vile?
And now Joe Biden says it is our patriotic duty to pay higher taxes!”
Dear Zank,
So criticizing McCain’s own statements and recommendations is considered “personal attacks?” Really?
Could you please cite specific examples, actual quotes, of Obama using sexist barbs, ageist smears & racists untruths?
And please don’t use one of the oldest lies about “class warfare.” Since Bush passed tax cuts that put 10s of $1,000 in the pockets of the richest people in America my middle class household saw VERY little reduction in our federal tax burden our property taxes have INCREASED at least 50% since 2000, and that is under our wonderful “no new taxes” Republican govenor.
Thanks George Bush and John McCain!

Posted by: Joanne | September 18, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

Oh, and I forgot, Thanks Tim Pawlenty too!

Posted by: Joanne | September 18, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am

“Its all so negative!” is just a less aggressive way of saying, “You’re all a bunch of whiners.” You should have Phil Gramm over for dinner and serve up some pork!
The media and congress are flabbergasted at the new lows presented by this presidential campaign. There is a ridiculous amount of negativity and smearing! Its horrific!
Of course, its McCain’s tactics their talking about.
As for Obama mocking him–McCain wants to be president of the United States, and he goes in front of people and says, “The fundamentals of our economy are strong.” That deserves mocking.
Oh, he was talking about the American people? He was talking about our capitalistic society? Well, duh. We all support capitalism. So if your not voting for McCain, you’re voting against capitalism and the American worker? That needs to be mocked, too. He’s a simple-minded man. He’d be the first simple-minded man to be POTUS since…George W Bush. He is not presidential.

Posted by: zukatesta | September 18, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am

Acrtually Clinton whining because she can’t turn a protest nito a partisan event is like an SNL routine.

Posted by: geevill | September 18, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

The McCain campaign reminds me of an abuser who says “You made me do this to you.” John McCain keeps saying things wouldn’t have been negative if Barack Obama had just done what he asked and participated in town hall meetings. Isn’t that something like a guy named Guido saying “I wouldn’t have broken your legs if you’d just paid the money?” Now his merry band is pointing the finger at Barack Obama for speaking out–which his also typical of abusive personalities. If the victim fights back, it’s the victim who is portrayed as the abuser–not the abused. As for the economy, for those who want to rattle off numbers (and you cite that as the strength of the McCain backers), tell me why I’m having to take more food to the local food bank. They say they’ve never seen it this bad. Is it that your own economy is okay, so you’re fine? Numbers don’t help when you can’t feed your kids.

Posted by: DJ | September 18, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am

Got a good one! There’s a new drug out on the market for Alzheimer’s disease called “Aricept”. In the commercial, the actor playing the guy with Alzheimer’s looks just like…….guess who????? That’s right, JOHN McCAIN! Now the McCain people will now say it’s Barack whose behind this vile and disgusting ad!!! Go Aricept!!!

Posted by: Albert | September 18, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Why does Obama preface so many of his statements with “I’m not makin’ this stuff up”?
Does this mean he makes a lot of stuff up at times and he has to let us know what isn’t “made up”?

Posted by: susie | September 18, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Dave in iV
re: ‘ Dems do not want any investigation into the biggest scandal ever to hit the US and are trying their best to block any.’
ahhh…. The republicans = an open book to the public’s right to know….. ROTFLMAO
hang in there,… after the election you might get all the investigations you want, and, amazingly they will cover the last 8 years of republican malfeasance.

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

What is the big deal with Bill Ayers? He was an activist 30 years ago and now he is a professor.
What is more important to ask is do you know how many people in political, judicial, legislative spheres were and are terrorists, racists, and the likes who used their powers to oppress, murder, and abuse others based on ethnicity?
Does Rev Wright bear more guilt for exposing and talking about such issues vs the American government that did horrible things to people here and around the globe?
Hello, People, we live in America, not a utopia. I am surprised that there wasn’t more violence against the injustices in the 60s when Bill Ayers was an activist. Does anyone read up on American history? Recent American history? I love my country, but I am not blinded by my adoration [yes, I usually get more sensitive if a foreign national talks about us verses one of my fellow patriots) but I understand that it has done some perverse-sick things to its citizens and others.
Wake up, America!
Senator McCain, the new one, scares the hell out of me. Gov. Palin scares the hell out of me as well — neither one of these are fit to POTUS.

Posted by: J Stone | September 18, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska on Wednesday became the nation’s most prominent Republican officeholder to publicly question whether Sarah Palin has the experience to serve as president.
“She doesn’t have any foreign policy credentials,” Hagel said in an interview.

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

Town Halls:
Palin still can’t answer a question, even at a select republican ‘town hall’…about her credentials and experience.
“stump the candidate”.. indeed…….
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:
Governor Palin, there has been quite a bit of discussion about your perceived lack of foreign policy experience. And I want to give you your chance. If you could please respond to that criticism and give us specific skills that you think you have to bring to the White House to rebut that or mitigate that concern.
PALIN: Well, I think because I’m a Washington outsider that opponents are going to be looking for a whole lot of things that they can criticize and they can kind of try to beat the candidates here, who chose me as his partner, to kind of tear down the ticket. But as for foreign policy, you know, I think that I am prepared and I know that on January 20th, if we are so blessed as to be sworn into office as your president and vice president, certainly we’ll be ready. I’ll be ready. I have that confidence. I have that readiness.
“And if you want specifics with specific policy or countries, go ahead and you can ask me. You can even play stump the candidate if you want to. But we are ready to serve.”

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

geevil get a grip you had to know McCain’s gambit was a failure from the start!!! Get over it we will……..

Posted by: depravedmaniac | September 18, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

ABC NEWS gets it right ..
from a DAVID WRIGHT interview:
John McCain was against the government bailout of AIG, before he was reluctantly for it.
In the mid 1990s, he supported a measure to ban all new government regulations. McCain supported legislation a decade ago that broke down the firewalls between commercial and investment banks and insurance companies — the very rules companies like AIG exploited to get in the current mess. And as recently as March of this year, after the collapse of Bear Stearns, McCain was all for deregulating Wall Street.
and:
GEORGE WILL: When the deregulation was the wave through Washington, he surfed that wave. Now it’s not, and the populist inside John McCain is out.
WRIGHT: Today, the Wall Street Journal accused McCain of selling out his free market ideals. Said today’s top editorial — “denouncing greed and Wall Street, isn’t a growth agenda,”

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

SNOW JOB EXPRESS has replaced the straight talk express. McCain’s gambit is a total failure, so sad so bad Johnny boy now go back to sea and pout.

Posted by: wolfhuntingfromplanes | September 18, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

and:
not so amazing:
John McCain was interviewed on the Florida affiliate of Spanish radio network Union Radio. And in the interview McCain appeared not to know who the Prime Minister of Spain was and assumed he was some anti-American leftist leader from South America.

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

McCain was recently bragging that as part of the commerce committee he oversaw all facets of the economy- and these are the results! Up until Monday, John McCain opposed practically all regulation and referred to himself as a “deregulator”. He sure changed his tune when it was politically necessary.
At the end of the day McCain and Palin don’t know what they are doing. You can’t expect the people responsible for digging the hole to dig you out.

Posted by: Raoul | September 18, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

I rather have someone in office that knows what this country needs. Someone that doesnt beat around the bush like McCain/Palin. I dont like liars (who does?) I dont think we need another liar in office. We need someone with goals and insight on the future. i want somebody i trust, not somebody who lied to get there.

Posted by: Sheena | September 18, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

I am impressed with Obama’s intelligence and resiliency. When he was down in the polls, he went on the offense, and began to dumb down his message a bit for the average American, and it’s working. Obama is tough, smart, and compassionate. His six point plan to fix the economy compares very favorably to McHoover’s plan to hold a “commission.”
I think the American people are finally beginning to see through McCain’s false rhetoric and lies about Obama, and focusing in on what real change really means, especially in light of the current financial crisis brought about by McCain’s version of deregulation and “small government.”
We don’t need “small government,” we need smart, competent, and compassionate government.
Obama/Biden ’08!!

Posted by: mark | September 18, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

I love the new Obama, just make fun of McCain and he will blow up.
Lets face it, I’d rather have McCain make fun of Obama’s comments then lie.

Posted by: jay | September 18, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

People are beginning to see through McCain’s false rhetoric… agreed. But, let’s understand Rovian politics is about finding a psyche need and promising to fill it, i.e. the average American does want to vote on values, not issues…. we intellectuals find this a fool’s move, but let’s remember it’s a big country! Why don’t we address how to create the separation of religion and politics while allowing those folks to vote their values? Thus, we don’t risk muddying their political vote on the country’s issues? Some of these folks would likely only vote their value and ignore the issues vote, but at least not in hindrance of the best leader! How to keep it all separate? Well, an ethical forum would be create and voted on by the population. This forum would be forbidden to endorse any political party or stump with a political party. Their function? To advice the sworn in president, on american values, abortion, gay rights, etc….. give those folks get what they want! But not by the Rovian trickery method… hey, pretty genius, eh?

Posted by: Origood | September 18, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Phil Gramm, John McCain, George Bush………all come full circle in the disaster that is gripping our economy right this very second.
Just wait…..it’s hitting my neighbors right now. Most have a lot of money invested, or are in banking and financial planning…….THEY ARE ALL REPUBLICANS, AND VERY, VERY UNHAPPY.
Chris Mathews had a meltdown last night, and freaked out, yelling, “WHERE’S BUSH?” Speaking the truth……i.e. DOING YOUR JOB, is a beautiful thing.
TODAY; bush shows up and mutters something.
IN CLOSING………TOTALLY DISAGRE WITH OBAMA……….IT’S A HORROR SHOW, NOT A COMEDY.

Posted by: values voter | September 18, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

re:Post by: Sheena | Sep 18, 2008 11:11:01 AM
I dont like liars (who does?) I dont think we need another liar in office. We need someone with goals and insight on the future. i want somebody i trust, not somebody who lied to get there.
———————————
If you don’t like liars why do you support Obama? For every “lie” committed by JM there is an equal one given by Obama.
They both make mistakes. They both change their minds. To most reasonable people these are not lies.
JM starts with a belief we have some very good business people who are having some rough times that need to be addressed.
Obama stresses we have rough times and that America has the capability of getting through these problems.
One stresses the positive first and the problems second. The other stresses problems first and the positives second. The first is called a liar.
It is not correct use of the word.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Oh my! Below I meant “scewering the other guys’ positions” not “screwing”. Sorry!

Posted by: Beth in VA | September 18, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Dave in iV
re: “JM starts with a belief we have some very good business people who are having some rough times that need to be addressed.”
exactly right… and that’s the problem with you & McSame: saying that what’s happening in the financial world is ” having some rough times ” clearly indicates a lack of comprehension of the situation.

Posted by: Jazzman | September 18, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Jazzman, All I ever read from you are accusations, conclusions and name calling without any facts to support you.
Other than anecdotal stories and possible forecasts, the overall economy as of June 30, 2008 showed an economy growing at 3.3% as compared to the contraction Dems have been saying for the last 3 years.
Are there problems with housing and unemployment rising? Yes, and they may effect the overall economy in the next quarter. But ONE or TWO quarters of negative economic growth does not make “the end of the free market” or “worse than the Depression” that some chicken littles are yelling.
So Jazzman do you have any facts to support your emotional conclusions?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

“Other than anecdotal stories and possible forecasts, the overall economy as of June 30, 2008 showed an economy growing at 3.3% as compared to the contraction Dems have been saying for the last 3 years.”
That growth was called surprising after losses in jobs, industrial orders and other factors
Growth for the 1st Q of 2008 was a pathetic 0.9%

Posted by: Ryan C | September 18, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Bush inherited 3 quarters of actual NEGATIVE economic activity.
If you think break even or small growth is pathetic then what is the best way to describe when the economy actually contracts?
Answer: A recession.
And to date we haven’t had one.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

What led the way to our economic growth in the last quarter?
Answer: Exports.
Where does Obama stand on trade with other countries?
Answer: He was against a trade pact with Columbia which not only was favorable to the US but would have also increased US jobs.
Why was Obama against increasing US jobs? Unions asked Obama to kill the trade pact.
Obama also stated he would like to rewrite most if not all of our current trade agreements. This will by most accounts cause a reduction in US jobs.
Obamas slogan: “My first and highest priority as President will be to increase jobs in the US.”
Talk is cheap.

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

“Very good bussness people” LMAO!!!! They are all a bunch of wall street crooks who didn’t care people were losing their homes untill it hit them in the wallet. If you think we have “very good bussiness people” in this country right now you are more out of touch than Mclame. Or are really rich and just want to keep gouging the middle class.

Posted by: Joe | September 18, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Dave in iV
I’ll pick up on Jazzy’s thread…..
yes or no…
do you believe what’s happening in the financial markets is ‘just some rough times”
you can quote whatever… when your house is burning down around you today, it really doesn’t matter that there was no fire yesterday…

Posted by: Rex | September 18, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

“…”You all remember Phil Gramm,” Obama said, once again bringing up the former Texas senator and McCain friend whom McCain distanced himself from several months ago.”
Phil Gramm made his comment on July 9th. That’s just a little bit over 2 months ago. Hardly the several months you as you state.
And Just last week Phil Gramm was calling Ron Paul asking him to support McCain. Ron Paul said no.
So regardless of McCain’s distancing from Gramm, indeed in spite of his misleading indications which Ron Paul has contradicted, Obama’s reference to Gramm is apparently as timely as it is germaine.

Posted by: mrpopo | September 18, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Tina Fey does a better Palin the Palin herself! Heres an idea for Tina she can do Palin avoiding the Press for the next 49 days

Posted by: Emily | September 18, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Rex, Yes the economy is bad today. How bad is it? We won’t know until some data comes in. That is unless you are either all knowing or just emotional.
What we do know is the data indicates the economy as of June 30, 08 was expanding.
We also know for the last 3 years both the Dems and the MSM have been forecasting a recession that hasn’t happened.
We also know much of the housing bubble was due to a push to get everyone into owning a house, whether they could afford it or not. Both Reps and Dems were pushing this.
We also know Fannie and Freddie were run by Dems into the ground, paid Barney Franks and Chris Dodd a ton of money and not only blocked proposals to reduce their exposure but expanded their capabilities to go into riskier loans. We know one CEO received over $100mil and both Ceo’s are now advising Obama.
We also have statements from Obama he will implement his spending programs immediately but hold off on any tax increases until after the “recession” is over.
What effect will that have on our debt? Have you ever let go of a balloon filled with helium?

Posted by: Dave in lv | September 18, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Dave in iV;
re: ..’We won’t know until some data comes in’..
With all due respect Dave, the U.S. government has interceded in the financial markets to prevent a financial collapse.. not only here.. but around the world as well….
this is not about quarterly statistics.
AIG insures a vast array of securities for financial institutions, the fallout would have been monumental had it failed.
You can play politics, and rehash facts and figures that can be refuted by someone else..
but not to realize the extraordinary situation that is happening at the moment is amazing.
The government may have to step in more and do something similar to what was done during the Savings & Loan scandals of the 80′s….
a new version of the Resolution Trust Corp and auction off assets as needed…

Posted by: Rex | September 18, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

All Obama continues to do is focus on McCain. When is he going to talk about himself and stop the snide remarks and the whining?

Posted by: Pete Kent | September 18, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

We are in a ressession…….maybe not a depression, but things definately aren’t stable especially on wall street, or any street with a foreclosure sign. Obamas plan makes alot more sense to me than a plan to keep on going with the same tax cuts for the wealthy. Sorry but i never got to experience any of the effect of trickle down economics, and thats because it doesn’t work.

Posted by: Sean Dudley | September 18, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

And anyone who doesn’t think we are in a recession obviously is living in Martha Vineyard or Mclean/Great Falls, VA because it’s obvious everywhere else, especially in inner cities, and rural small towns. Anyone who thinks that all is well, i’d like to invite them to visit Anacostia, South East Washington D.C. and tell me about the great education and job oppurtunities to be had there, if there are any.

Posted by: Sean Dudley | September 18, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

Michelle, you are not serious. Are you suggesting that Obama is not offering enough substance for you? If so, I have one question for you: WHO IS?
Certainly it is not McCain. Where is McCain’s substance? I suffered through 3 nights of the Republican convention to see if that party had anything new to offer after the last 8 disastrous years. I heard NOTHING. Instead, I heard 2 nights of attacks on Obama, belittling him for his community organizing (nothing elitist about millionaire white guys belittling a black man for working with poor people.
The third night was a night of unparalleled bullshit. In case you missed it, here’s the Cliff’s Notes version: John McCain was a POW, so now he deserves to be president (never mind the catastrophe his party has wrought on the American public for the last 8 years).

Posted by: Leo | September 18, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

It’s about time Obama got tougher. Good for him. He’s certainly taken more that his share of crap from McCain’s official slander machine.
Issues are important, but let’s face it, American are as intelligent as gnats, with half the attention span. People tune out 4 words into a policy statement and switch to NASCAR on ESPN.

Posted by: jay Kamins | September 21, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

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